Squatter gets NYC homeowner kicked out of her own house - who actually owns this house?
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not living in your house makes me feel unsafe
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@rossmanngroup watch your language, young man. 😛
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@@nahtesalinas1917he watched, decided he was quite proud of it, and sent it out to the world
So what you’re REALLY TRYING TO SAY is: I can move to NYC and live there for free. I wonder if any politicians have any nice homes they haven’t been to for a few weeks…
If you are willing to make an investment, just offer to pay for the politician to take a 2 week cruise! For the price of some tickets to board, you just got a fancy home!
Few weeks? Politicians and oligarchs _never_ visit their top tier apartments.
@@ChaosTheory666 yep, just their security do. Good luck squatting with these guys.
You really think these rules apply to the politicians? Haha
Like the politicians would be subject to the same laws we are subject to 😂
NYC law: written by scumbags, for scumbags
It's hard to feel too bad for New Yorkers, as they vote for this 4 to 1, and New Yorkers who disagree with the insanity have already left (Louis) or should leave ASAP.
@@dereksbooksOn a flight to NYC for a quick stopover, the lady next to me said rich people are leaving NYC in droves and tons of people she knew personally have left in the last couple of years.
I dont believe voting actually matters. I believe that politicians are selected, not elected. Hence why more than half of them are related in one way or another. @dereksbooks
@@brucej.willson4764I've started coming to that conclusion as well. I know people who vote along party lines, sue, but most people I know are completely tired of this of any affiliation with a political party. They are trying to vote or fight against entrenched politicians, but the results go overwhelming the other way.
It might have been like this for decades it's just more obvious now with the morons running everything into the ground and keep getting re-elected. Elections are probably still legit in small towns, but a number big cities are so corrupted now.
@eliasadam2345 but rich 1s will move in. There will always be rich especially in NY State
Florida just passed a law kicking out squatters. The law allows law enforcement to remove squatters who do not have a lease authorized by the property owner. It adds criminal penalties, intentionally presenting a fraudulent lease is a misdemeanor and a felony to intentionally sell or lease someone else's property. And a felony if intentionally cause $1000 or more in damage while squatting or trespassing. Now the rest of the states need to follow.
Sounds like a sensible measure. For the longest time, squatting has been kind of legal here in NL, in the sense that plonking down your mattress in an empty property would “establish domicile”. Something that carries extreme weight in the legal balance between tenants or occupants and homeowners or landlords.
However, a few years ago squatting has been made illegal, and landlords can now take swift action against squatters. And that has had a great chilling effect on the practise of squatting.
It should be a felony regardless
@@SwiftySandersright!? If stealing a car is felony how is stealing a house not?!
and how does an officer determine the lease is authorized... every fix has loopholes, but at least u pointed out this isnt just NYC its all states have this problem
@@bobspurloc I think they either have to notarize the lease, or the renter have to show receipt that they paid money to the property owner
"We do not value hard working people here in NYC, we punish them"- Louis Rossmann
This is 💯 percent true in NYC.
Absolutely true its why I left.
Welcome to Socialism
all the cheering about chip manufacturing. I can't wait to see what they do when they realize smart guns need chips.
Don't use *Quotes* willy nilly.
Just a Legal Advice,
However I digress.
That's called voodoo trickle-down Reaganomics. It has resulted in a half-century of stagnant and declining wages for working Americans. But... we're now going to call it "Bidenomics" and pretend it is good.
But if this happen to a politician, the guy who got in the house get's kicked out of the house right away.
"All Animals Are Equal but Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others" - Animal Farm 1945
I get the feeling they wouldn't be kicked out but more: were never heard from again
Person gets Epsteined
AND arrested and charged
Not if you film it I guess?
When government abandons its citizens' rights, the rights don't disappear; they fall to the citizen to defend. If I'm on a jury, I'm not convicting the guys who busted the squatters' kneecaps and tossed them in the street.
I wouldn't convict if they were castle doctrined.
Hah, if this happened to me, they would have somehow fallen out of the window head first.
You would never be selected for a jury just like little bald lex will never dunk a basketball. You get instructions as a juror and if you don’t follow them you get removed lmao you think you just get to go in there and be your own juror huh even tho you’ve never been to law school. Internet is full of geniuses who are actual morons 😂
Until the 'jury of your peers' is picked from a pool of other squatters.
@@rath6375No squatter would ever be called for jury duty.
I remember a squatter from Seattle tried to do this in my old town in MT, that was more rural than not. The homeowner after been told about squatters right etc. showed back up and killed the guy with a shotgun and the called the police to report a break in.
LOL.
That's actually genius, hopefully he didn't get in trouble.
See, now that's what I would expect to happen. There's no argument here you're either leaving by walking out or being carried out.
@@zerofox2030 If violence didn't work then cops would not be carrying guns.
@@RicardoSantos-oz3ujViolence doesn't just work well, it works the best out of all available options for basically everything.
Squatter's rights were for ABANDONED properties after 5-10 YEARS of the official owner letting them rot, and someone else putting the time/money/effort to fix them up. Not homes where the owners took a month-long vacation and some random person breaks in and destroys the place, which NYC law allows because their only requirement is 30 days of occupancy.
yep the legal system or judiciary is being abused by the lawyers and legislature to enforce unjust laws. to twist them heck satan knows the bible very well but twists it to make it say something it doesnt. so why not the legal system?
Squatters rights were also for range land from during the westward expansion. You show up, build a house, put up a hay shed / barn, get some cows. You "Own" acreage around you that is for grazing the animals. One day, you're out riding your range, and come across where someone else built a house on "Your land". Normally this would be solved easily enough through the court / sheriff. The "squatter" would be granted the house and a small chunk of ground around it, the rancher would be given an adjacent piece of ground that hadn't yet been claimed.
@@damien7157bruh 30 days? seriously? so I can just visit some friends and family in the EU for a month and come back to only be evicted from my own house until I properly evict the squatter?
@@ghosthunter0950worse while there squatting thare they are in the eyes of the law tenets so you can't shut there water or utilities off and must keep paying the bills thare like you were there land lord. And if you confront them they can have you arrested for harassment and trespassed from your own home. So you go to Europe for 2 months come home to squatters in your house you can't kick them out and you must keep paying the bills and utilities 😂 and you can't sell the house till there out. Your just stuck in legal limbo for 2 or three years and your going to spend 20 grand or so to get your life back.
Which honest to god needs to be reformed
Its wild how you can get a decade or more in prison for robbing a jewelry store and stealing $100k+ of stuff but no punishment for stealing someones house.
unless u tell Leticia James the house is worth 400k
Lol, WHO typically owns the jewelry store
Time to squat jewelry stores and Mercedes dealerships.
Lol this is NYC; you definitely wouldn’t be serving a decade or more for robbery and grand theft, you’d get a slap on the wrist from the “justice” system
What are you talking about? Shoplifting is legalized in NY, no one will arrest you.
It's like that in Florida too. I had a string of five or six squatters who broke into my parent's old house, literally one right after the other, and I was legally required to stay a hundred or so feet away from my own property until the eviction paperwork (which cost $50 each time) I was required to file went through the system (which fortunately only took about a month or a bit over).
One of them even had a fake "lease" that was a few lines of handwritten text on a piece of old dirty paper, with a signature that was nowhere near a match for my own. But when I point that out to the deputies, even showing them my real signature on my driver's license, they just shrug and say it's not trespassing or breaking and entering but is instead a "civil matter" that has to go through the formal process. Meanwhile, the squatters are ripping out all the wiring, the pipes, the shingles, the doors, the fixtures... basically everything they could sell to buy more drugs -- even while the deputies watch. Because neither the deputies or myself are allowed to interfere or do anything.
It's a woefully outdated system that was originally intended to protect renters from unscrupulous landlords, but because it hasn't been updated in decades it is instead being used by junkies and grifters to "legally" rob homeowners.
In California, for a squatter to claim rights through an adverse possession claim, they must occupy the property continuously and openly for at least five years. Additionally, they must pay property taxes for that duration.
There was a squatter issue that happened to someone where i lived like 10 years ago. I knew the guy and his wife pretty well. They went on a 2 month trip to Europe to go stay with theur family for the summer. Well squatters broke into his home and started living there very discretely...when they came back, he didn't call the police. He called his friends and brothers. They physically removed the squatters themselves including everything they brought with them. Once they were off the property, then they called the police. The squatters got arrested.
Do that in Britain, and the householders who physically removed the squatters would have been done for assault.
Yes, we have stupid laws like that here as well.
Technically, they don't get Squatters' Rights if they /break/ in.
If they do get in, however, the Police will physically prevent you from going back into your own house!
@@quantisedspace7047what squatters? The ones in the pig pen or the ones in the dumpster or the ones flushed down the toilet giblet by giblet?
@@Nope_handlesaretrashAlways follow the 3 S's.
Shoot
Shovel
Shut up
@@Nope_handlesaretrash This is fantasy. 99% of people cannot do that and get away with it.
@@quantisedspace7047You need proof of the charges.
Based on this logic, you could probably get your old shop back in NY by simply finding a way in and working there for a month. lol
This is actually most places in the USA. I can print off a fake lease into my name and go move into a house that's not occupied. The real tenant/owner comes back and calls the cops. Cops see lease, see your deed, and tell you it's a civil matter. Then you take me to court which could take years to get to. I then move out just before that court date and disappear.
Steve Lehto has covered some of these stories - some with happy endings, some with awful endings.
I was thinking about that also, It's not hard to print up a fake lease, plus I'm sure you could find a way to have it notarized in NYC with a few bucks. Plus have someone who can look at someone else's signature on something that's in their house and duplicate it well enough on said fake lease.
The squatter was just lazy and took whatever was the easiest route he needed.
If you own the property, what you do if you get a strong arm to give you some help. You break into the property because you cannot be charged with breaking and entering to your own property. You remove the squatters. And because you planned this from all along you changed the locks on the door while they're out in the street bleeding. Immediately after the locks are changed, you call the police with your title deed handy and you let them know that some crazy person has been pounding on your door trying to get in claiming that they live there. But because you live there and you've never seen this person before you know they're crazy. And by the way officer here is a copy of the deed to my property with my name on it. If the officer wants to enter your property you say "Certainly with a search warrant."
If just play really loud music 24/7.
You will definitely be arrested for breaking and entering into your own property; don't be naive here. These people are not your typical squatters, they make up a rental agreement, or simply claim to have one. And while you are under delusion that you would call the police after you change the locks, the police would have already arrived because your "tenant" would call them at the moment of your arrival. No one cares about your cute little silly deed, the police won't even look at it, because you being the owner does not change the narrative of the situation; this is how broken the system is in United States. Luckily, Florida has recently passed a bill to put a stop to this nonsense and their Governor signed that into law. Georgia is now following them; they already passed the bill, and waiting on their Governor. I am hoping the chain reaction eventually reaches to the Midwest.
This needs street justice.
It's amusing living in south GA and watching all of transplants come in and try mess like this with the 80yo landlords that carry around 12GA bye-bye sticks. They don't dread it and if the tenants try to run to the courts they just find the good ol' boy system which really sucks sometimes but sometimes really shines. There's got to be a happy middle between the two but IDK what it is other than "common sense" like what LR was describing in the video but how do you codify that into law?
@@dampierstucco5778step 1: don’t allow illiteracy to run rampant. Step 2: you failed step 1 prepare for collapse.
Me, I'd call the mafia.
@@uncertaintytoworldpeace3650 Step 1: Create a societal function in which the basic ideals of Empathy, morality and diversity are accepted as imperfect yet compliable norms in which peoples can adhere to.
Step 2: Conjure a societal normality to establish that peoples should upkeep the emphatical and moral code in which they see fit.
Step 3: Ensure the collabriative works for society create a happy median were people will not suffer any amount of mental degradation leading to immoral actions due to injustice within their system, issues that they feel no say in, or a lack of community, culture, and purpose.
Step 4: Find a way to prevent corruption from leaking within your communal space, whether it be through banishment or justice of the peoples.
Step 5: Find a reason for people to continue living and proceed within life even without the exacted purpose of a greater evil
Step 6: Ensure all steps are consistently fufilled.
@@dampierstucco5778
Oh youve got a cityiot problem there too?
Even a 2hr drive north of that place is a different world.
I can spot a cityiot a mile away,they're so rude and obnoxious and want everything done yesterday.
"You get more of what you tolerate and less of what you don't". What a great way to say it.
Reminds me of the advice Richard Dean Anderson gave to Joe Flanigan: "Don't do the gobbledygook," meaning intentionally mess up on the sci-fi mumbo jumbo so the writers give you less of it
When I was young I wanted to visit the USA and especially NewYork.
Now I don't want to even want to go there for free.
new york is hell, go to any conservative state , Florida , new Hampshire, are nice . new york is literally lined with piss jugs. i hated going through that shit hole on my way to Florida lol
I don't even want to go there or San Fran even if they'd pay for my fares and stays. It is degrading ...
@@patrickh619 Same but counts for me for the whole US...unfortunately :( I wanted to go there so badly, but this country is disgusting to it's people. For the "leader" of the world it has an absolutely inaccaptable level of perverted greed and corruption.
We could all live a good live if the US economy would care to share just a little bit.
I would want to meet so many people but I rather stay in europe, the continent with braindead politicians but the highest social standards. Not perfect, but currently still maybe the safest part on earth.
Every time you mention the house with termites I remember the quote…
“Whaddayah, Pinocchio?They’re not after you…”
The new york city government should be charged with criminal incompetence.
The mayor is insane!
They are socialists.
Why? The people vote for who they want. New Yorkers voted for these laws and the ones who wrote them. New Yorkers are entitled to having this. Its the system they want.
@@taemien9219 i doubt it. A city that corrupt? There is no way the vote is real. At the very least, the candidates are carefully selected by the incompetent individuals with the power.
@taemien9219 No it’s not. It’s NYC that ruins the state for the rest of us.
Stupidity is there being such a thing as "squatters rights" when proof of ownership for a property is easy to do.
INDEED
Dates back from old English common law when ownership was more nebulous. NYC just copied the law and it has been on the books for the past 300 years or so.
Ideally, it should be replaced where if a landowner doesn't pay property tax for a year, and it was uninhabited for said period of time, the city government should just seize it. No squatters rights in such a case, but still addresses the problems that squatters rights laws tired to fix these days, namely that of properties not being utilized at all
It's not stupid. In order for people like you to learn you have to learn the hard way. Which means someone needs to either intentionally or accidentally claim they own your property and have you kicked out on day 1 and demolished on day 2. Once that happens you will suddenly understand why "squatters rights" exist. Yes, in most cases ownership is easy to evidence... but not in all. Additionally, these "rights" are to also protect "lawful residents" to prevent things like "slumlords" from kicking people out onto the street for paying rent 1 second too late OR to prevent big business from raiding a whole block so they can take it over.
Remember... the moment someone accuses you of being in a house unlawfully... you are in fact a squatter, even when you own the place. You are a squatter until you prove you have a right to be there!
@CD-vb9fi I've seen more harm then good done by this law
It's, "guilty until proven innocent." Except the innocent one (the homeowner) is presumed guilty. Good job, New York, for setting the curve for the rest of the country.
the way you explained the classroom dynamic i realize i did my share of moments being a disruptor to learning and the fellow classmates who did want to. I like how considerate a person you are and how that comes through in your takes on various topics.
I was watching the video from his reflection in the window the reflection gives 60 minute vibes ❤😂
Love your videos hope you are having a good day!
Write up a lease with the title holder and sqat on the sqatter. Just move in on the squatter, then present your legal lease to police when they show up.
But what happens when the squatter outsquats you? Will this be determined by how long the victor can squat with their quads?? Find out next week on squatting seattle
@@penguinsushi8442 On the Bravo network??
Big brain
@@penguinsushi8442 guy in California does it for a living, he waits for them to leave and then throws their stuff out and changes the locks, cops show up and he has a legal lease while the squatters have some BS they printed off the internet
Squat-ception!
In NYC the phrase "You will own nothing and be happy" is slowly becoming a reality and it sucks. It's literally creeping up on us.
I just thought the same. The system of "not-having" is introduced by giving more and more rights to incompetent people: clerks, squatters and socialists
We need people in New York to intentionally move into a politicians house. Call the electric company and get the bill transfered to you and sign up for online bill pay. Pay the electric bill for two months. Chances are, the owner wont notice they didnt get an electric bill. Then while they are gone, break in and change the locks. When the cops come, you can show them two legitmate bills that show you are renting the house or a room in the house. Let the politican live their too. You just stay in a room. I guarantee, if a few people did this to a few different politicians, the law would change overnight.
why does it feel like it's commie mentality?
@@crissd8283 bonus points if you do it to the New York State Executive Mansion
IT IS reality, it's not your property, it's OUR property ☭.
thank you for covering this
Great analysis and story Louis. Thank you 🙏
someone not letting me live in their house after the first date makes me feel unsafe.
😂I see what you did there!
Nice reference you cultured not a swine
Saw a thing on UK news recently about a guy who has set up a business (in Florida I think it was) that offers a service where he "moves in" with the squatters to make their life a misery and cause them to leave, it was genius!
That’s similar to what we’ve doing in Spain, pay to “scare” the squatters out 🤦🏼♀️
There is such a thing as a professional squatter remover!?! Couldn't believe it. Pretty sad.
@@arthurpendragon3000
Professional Squatter removal?
Sounds like an awesome business to be in!
Squatter laws were originally made to stop people from buying up massive amounts of land but do nothing with it. When squatters could prove they lived there for a long time, usually a period of years, they could then claim the land as their own. 30 days seems like an insult. Someone could possibly take a vacation for a month or be on a long business trip and then somebody steals their home while they are away.
NYC is backwards. The only right a squatter should have is the right to a speedy trial when they are arrested fro trespassing. Although you did make me realize one thing, I have never for any place I have ever rented had to get the lease notarized, I image that must make it easy to make a fake lease agreement in my state. Yikes.
If you can get away with it for 30 days, theft is approved.
-NYC
BONUS! Along with the same b.s., theft is approved as you steal up to $949.99 value in CA. That's ok too, you're good to go. Prop. 47
Actually, you have no clue.
If they can lie to a cop and there is no evidence to suggest that they only just arrived. Then it's not a cops ability of job to determine the liar, and it has to go to court.
This is NOT squatters rights (and the sheer st*p*dy in here on that one is laughably pathetic)
Squatters rights is a long term process of taking over abandoned housing. 10 years etc... It requires paperwork and is a legal process.
This is just abuse of tenant laws. Since it is impossible for judgements to be made quickly. Since you need to know who is lying on the claim of a squatter. Only informed parties can make such judgements, and that requires a judge.
Approved. Sanctioned. Eventually they will give you money to do crimes.
@@mathewhex7045 if you cant work because your a criminal then you get foodstamps, welfare, and free medicaland housing 8/free housing. look at the illegals for example.
only if the cops approve.
The three tiered justice system.
Politician > Criminal > Citizen
It's quite similar to how it worked in the USSR.
It is actually justCriminal > Citizen, many politicians are criminals and why they want criminals to win for when they stop being politicians.
What about rich citizen
Also I may be stupid, missing the point and stating the obvious, but isn't it much more nuanced? In some ways we are more equal and in some ways we are less equal
As if politicians were different from criminals.
Damn UA-cam subscribed me.
It's amazing we so quickly forget we haven't seen content from someone with a constant stream of suggestions.
I've been watching a little of Cash Jordan to see what's going on in NYC with the invasion. Now I'm going to have to see if you have anything up Louis.
Look forward to having your content in my suggestions again!😊
"You get more of what you tolerate, and less what you don't." This quote should be framed and placed in the middle of any city council, so they would rethink their decisions when they make these stupid rules.
In Poland we have ridiculous squatter rights as well.
If a squatter gets into your house you not only are not allowed to kick him out, you also must ensure electricity, gas and heating is active while they are there, you have to pay the bills because if the power plant will disconnect power for not paying, then you go to jail.
This law causes house rent prices to be ridiculously high and thousands of houses to stay empty because leasing is extremely risky.
The moment someone enters your house and does not want to leave you are screwed.
Same in Spain, it’s unbelievable!
And then leftists will look at the consequences of the excessive regulations they voted for and say "housing is too expensive because landlords are too greedy, landlords would rather let houses go empty than help the homeless, we need more regulation." As if they're not greedy for trying to control what others worked to create and earn. It's just about power.
Same in South Africa. Non paying tenants have more rights than owners, and they have police and free court protection. The landlord has to go through a long, expensive eviction process, with no guarantee of success at the end, especially if you are dealing with the elderly or children.
I hope India doesn't join this craziness
"The moment someone enters your house and does not want to leave you are screwed" The fact that you believe and spread this garbage is fucking insane. This is just not true.
New York sounds insane. Why would anyone ever buy property there knowing that a squatter could just uh.... take it?
better. Why dont everyone just become squatter, There are only benefits.
They aren't taking it as in ownership, the 'wtf' here is that it'll take months to sort out in the courts. What should worry people more is all states have adverse possession laws, those aren't just "the person gets to live there until the court sorts it all out" laws, those are the squatter OWNS it. In NY the person has to occupy the property for 10 years, in Texas it's also 10 *except* if the person grows something on the property and pays some property taxes Texas will hand it over to them after 5 years.
I have a confession to make. In spring of 2020, I was looking at buying a house in New York city. I almost decided on this one. www.zillow.com/homedetails/159-32-91st-St-Howard-Beach-NY-11414/2080380486_zpid/
Four years later, I kick myself up and down the road for being so stupid
@@rossmanngroupthats a nice house
@TheUA-camUser69
In many other states/cities, you can get a house like that for less than a 5th of what that sold for.
Look up the squatter hunter. He very legally works with the actual owners and just moves in with the other squatters. They just walked in so there is no rule or law that says he cant do the same. Then he annoys the squatters until they leave.
I really don't understand how this is possible. Can I steal cars this way too? "Hey, Mr. Policeman, I didn't steal this car. I have a _verbal_ lease with the owner. What!? He denies leasing me his car? Well too bad. He'll have to take me to CIVIL court. Meanwhile, I'm on a road trip. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
We keep letting the social contract be violated and just shrugging.
what's a social contract
Over and over and over...
@@Quasar0406 the social contract is a theory that makes up an idea central to constitutional democracy. The theory states that people give up some of their natural freedoms and consent to the rule of a higher authority in exchange for protection of their remaining freedoms and the social order. Therefore, a government is expected to owe this consideration to it's people since they are the ones consenting to governance.
We live in a society
That's true but your fear of police, prosecutors, DAs, judges, and prisons counterbalances heavily into shrugging.
It's amazing in NYC you can rob a store with no penalty yet are arrested for entering your own house after someone else broke in.
Why would you expect someone who steals another persons property to be gracious? We need better laws and enforcement.
Make out a lease to a friend. If you have a squatter you can show you are the owner and your friend is the tenant. Squatters have no rights to a house that is already being rented to another.
Not that easy... not even close, these people dig in deep, remember you cannot touch these people. You will get arrested. I have a sure fire way and I've never been beaten 100 success rate in Massachusetts.
@@thedocofgreen2018 You can remove them, you just have to know the law. There are people who provide it as a service.
@@geometerfpv2804 The problem is that the government often makes it difficult to remove people like that, going to court takes time and energy and especially money for a problem that should be fixed in 30 mins tops with the police
@@kay1229At that point, just find a good drop off point, and then take them off the census.
@@kay1229 just write a lease to your bros who like to party, let them take turns bring their friends to party all day everyday making life unbearable for the squatters, they'll leave when people worse than them move in.
I bet if squatters did that to the mayora home, the laws would be applied MUCH differently!
Maybe handing out letters, printed up in a library in 5 minutes, that have a city _style_ letterhead, that offer some free stuff / cheque / gift cards if you turn up at the mayors office on a certain date and time, and hand them out to homeless people, vagrants, and other undesirables.
That poor woman is living a nightmare because of some homeless roaches and some crazy NY laws
0:57 thank you. I always watch your videos because they are relatable. This one was no exception.
I listened to the squatter tell the woman “give me the money (for the supposed repair bill he produced) and I’ll leave, or take me to court to make me leave”. Extortion. He produced no lease, and wouldn’t say who he arranged the lease with. Obvious scam. And there is no such thing as squatters’ rights. Theft isn’t a right.
Correct. He can sue her if he really has a case about an unpaid bill. Get to stepping. Instead he resorted to bullying. Not smacking bullies like this with jail time really hurts the anti-bullying narratives pitched in schools now. Bullies can't be reasoned with. They can only learn from a gratuitous face caving.
I wouldn’t suggest paying, because he can still be a squatter and stick around
Squatter laws date back to the 1800's when people were claiming land, not houses. This law needs to updated asap
hmm, of what other thing does this remind me?
@@Taromisaki666looks like nobody cares lol
@@Taromisaki666Immigration?
this is tenant's rights not squatters rights
We need people in New York to intentionally move into a politicians house. Call the electric company and get the bill transfered to you and sign up for online bill pay. Pay the electric bill for two months. Chances are, the owner wont notice they didnt get an electric bill. Then while they are gone, break in and change the locks. When the cops come, you can show them two legitmate bills that show you are renting the house or a room in the house. Let the politican live their too. You just stay in a room. I guarantee, if a few people did this to a few different politicians, the law would change overnight.
This kind of mess is such BS. Last year my parents bought a new house, but didn’t move in right away because they were getting some work done. Two people with suitcases were found living in the shed by the our relative. They told the relative they were “waiting for the realtor”. Relative told them “the house has been sold; I know because I sold it”. Luckily they never got into the main house and left peacefully.
If someone tied to live in my house uninvited, they wouldn't make it to their court date.
The problem with this is that the world operates on a "fuck you got mine" mentality and it can't be fixed without many victims.
Nothing changes unless the slave masters are impacted or get butt hurt.
Those victims would only be the people who victimized. The rest of us would be equalized.
Human nature will not change. The problem is the laws created by these people and their moral system.
Cities with smart law makers recognize that illegal entry is still unlawful even if the door is unlocked. They also recognize that the people who claim they own the home and are paying taxes on a property, such as the inheritance tax, are the legal owner.
Smart law makers? What's that?
@@TSMSnationIt's similar to the honest politician-you'll never find on in California or New York.
For the millionth time this ENTIRE issue has nothing to do with ownership. It's the right of possession (the right to occupy the property). Which a renter wouldn't be doing.
@@Furiends Did you reply to the wrong comment? My comment specifically mentions who owns the home and pays taxes. Possession can be determined by ownership, i.e. who is billed by the government.
Only thing I could thing of to stop this is to have an actual working alarm system, that can't be stripped out, as well as 24/7 security cameras for when you're away.
In Mississippi, when this happens the whole extended family shows up for a shotgun party at the property in question. They rough up the squatters and celebrate an effective eviction. No police needed. If police show up they get invited to the party. There is always enough food and the police leave because all they saw was a loud party going on.
You are so full of sh*t tough guy.
This kind of happened here in Alaska. The owner told the scumbags in front of the Police that he would burn the house to the ground. Cops looked at the scumbags and told them it is his house and he can legally burn it down. THEY MOVED. All in all still very sad.
Why can't the laws be changed to prevent squatters from taking over people's homes? People like to think that America is some kind of modern country with intelligent laws, but we have stupid laws just like all of the other countries.
Squatters rights comes from the old English common law where it was hard to see who actually owns a piece of property
The current law in NYC states that if a squatter moves into your house, and starts to pay the property tax, and you don't kick him out in 5 years, you lose the title.
Because tenancy is a very uneven relationship where tenants require extensive legal protections and its difficult to effectively secure tenants rights without side effects
@@Demopans5990it's worse than that, they only need to claim to have been occupying the residence for 30 days with zero proof and the state of NY will let them stay there until you take them to court. It's sooooo messed up.
@@personzorza home invader claiming your property as their own is not a tenant. Guess you're one of the smooth brains voting for this crap.
The problem is the laws get abused either way. If there's no rights for tenants against illegal evictions, or draconian measures to kick out legitimate tenants, landlords will get away with that. Landlords are some of the most aggressive in terms of shaping policy and testing the boundaries of what is legal. Squatters are of course doing the same thing. But ultimately these extreme examples of dedicated squatters is probably a lesser evil too systemic landlord abuse.
My Cowen A2(currently languishing in my tech junk closet) is filled to the brim with my Family guy library. Thanks Usenet!
Who owns it? The state. Not the actual “homeowner”
Always has been
Ah yes, we finally have reached the true communist utopia
Sounds like rent to me.@GHOSTSTARSCREAMM
@GHOSTSTARSCREAMMProperty taxes are the rent you pay to the state. Just like rent if you don't pay you get kicked out.
@GHOSTSTARSCREAMM Yes, I am agreeing that property taxes just ensure that you never actuated own anything. Can't own something if you have to constantly pay for it. Can't own something if you have no place to keep it.
So basically what I’ve learned from New York laws is don’t call the police. Handle the problem yourself if you want justice.
This is a pretty universal thing, from small red towns to big blue cities. If you don't have a court order in hand, you're unlikely to get anything useful out of a cop.
@@JayRode So New York isn't the dystopian hell scape it's made out to be from all of the news about it? Good to know!
The view comparison near the end is collating so much more than just the monetary aspect he's talking about here... I just love listening to and learning from Louis. ^^
She needs to sue the city
It was just mind-blowing when these cops arrested the homeowner lady. These cops were here when she changed the lock. How can these criminals prove they paid rent and lived in the house for 30+ days. Have these cops do a background check on these criminals see if they are repeat offenders. These criminals will trash/take whatever is in the house before they move on to the next victim. They have nothing to lose.
"How can these criminals prove they paid rent and lived in the house for 30+ days."
How can you prove they didn't?
The cops cannot prove they didn't, nor can they prove that they did.
This is why tenant law supercedes. So that a landlord cannot make false claims of squatters, and have people illegally kicked out of their homes.
So everything to that effect must be handled in the courts, so that an informed party can make the judgements. Police are not an informed party.
People like this are rare, but effective, in that a loophole that can't be closed in tenant law makes it possible for them to do this.
(If there's a way to keep tenant law, and deal with this type of squatter, I sure as hell have never seen it. Maybe you're the genius who can write the new legal theory on it.)
@@senselessinductor7921 But there's a very easy solution to this right? A notarized lease? If you don't have one, GTFO! It doesn't need to be this complicated.
What this tells me is in NY, you should not involve the government or the police, you are on your own, and should deal with it accordingly.
That lady would have a better experience paying the mafia to deal with the guy than dealing with the corrupt government.
I've worked in title/real estate law for over a decade, and I have a passing acquaintance with my state's landlord-tenant laws, but stories like this STILL blow my mind.
I feel you on the media player Louis, my mom got me a creative zen when i was in 2nd grade and it was amazing.
Been saying for years nobody owns their land. If you are paying reoccurring taxes on something, you do not own that thing.
and they legally can take any equity in the home and keep it, now they are trying ti pass a law where all equity has to go back to you have the debt has been satisfied.
There are areas without property tax.
Maybe you would like the term "holder" better as in brand holder. Also brand holders have to pay a fee to keep their brand registered, if not they lose the rights.
Same with property.
So instead of "real estate owner" think more of "real estate holder".
Would be great of it were so. This current shitsystem means that 10billionaires owns all farm land in USA 80-120years from now.
@@1donniekakwhere?? Outside the USA where freedom exists would be believable.
I read about some guy who started a business around getting rid of squatters. He gets rid of them by basically becoming another squatter, getting a “rental agreement” to live there with the squatters, and he tries to be the worst nightmare roommate he can be. He steals any food left in the house, plays loud music 24/7, if the squatter is on parole he brings a gun into the house and threatens to call the police on them for living in a house with a firearm. Goes scorched earth on them, whatever he thinks will get them out. Started out by getting squatters out of his parents house and started helping other people too.
When our lawmakers don’t do their jobs we end up taking issues into our own hands as the average-taxpayer-working-class-citizen.
What the hell is going on in this country? From California, Chicago, Detroit and now New York. Most cities are turning to shit. I hope the owner of this home manages to get this person out from their house.
That bit about portable media players really brought me back. I had a Zen Vision W with all my metal music and Anime that I would bring to high school in 06-07. What a time to be alive!
Saw a similar situation where I live: A lady went to a 5 month trip abroad and when she came back she found her house occupied by a female squatter and her 3 kids. Now comes the absurd scenario: She was ordered by a family court to pay rent for the squatter for 6 months while the squatter was allegedly looking for a job.
I’d send the bill directly to the judge.
That's when you hire a local biker gang to party on your front lawn for a month.
Tf?
I was just thinking about this. You are ordered to pay alimony and child support. Insane!
Things that never happened 1999
I'm sure that somewhere, someone saw this in the news and thought _"If this person can afford a house, unlike that poor person who squatted the house, they can surely afford to stay in a hotel for a while"_ because they live in a gated community and/or think that this will never happen to them. I remember some politician who was all for illegal immigration, saying things like we shouldn't complain because getting robbed is nothing compared to what they went through to get to the US and what they need to do to survive...until she got robbed! She changed her mind very quickly! We all know what would happen if someone squatted a politician's house or some wealthy, important person's house.
thank you for explaining your class drama from back in +-2005😂 love it
Michigan handles squatters the way everyone should.
In 2014, Michigan passed a unique law for getting rid of squatters: In this state, property owners can use self-help measures to encourage squatters to move out. Self-help measures are steps taken to make a property unlivable, such as shutting off utilities, changing the locks, or removing the squatter’s belongings. These measures are not allowed in any other state and never allowed when dealing with tenants, including in Michigan. However, this law makes it easier for property owners to remove squatters and avoid the financial costs of eviction.
The lack of consequences, both in the home and in the justice system, causes this. If people had to suffer from their stupidity, they would get a lot smarter real quick.
Thanks for the "Landlord" impression - Your old landlord must have been a character
We absolutely did the same thing back in school with our CD Walkmans (haha remember those?)
We'd cut holes in the pockets of our hoodies, run wires up the back, hide earbuds under beanies, etc.
Good nostalgia trip.
This actually blows my mind so much
This problem is not just in New York. California is at least as bad. My brother had a renter who just stopped paying. He could never get her out. He ended up having to sell the house as it was the only way to evict her. It took over 2 years to get her out. Not only did she not pay rent for this time, but she and her sublets did $50K in damage (intentionally) before they left. My brother is not some evil landlord. His problem was he was always too nice from the beginning.
there's no such thing as a non-evil landlord. any amount of property hoarding makes homelessness worse, even if it's just 1 more flat than u need to live
@@eufrozinak9461 if people can't "hoard" property by constructing it for sale, or by buying it to resell or rent out, then there won't be enough property for people to use (or what exists will be very poorly maintained, because there's no income to incentivize maintenance), and there will be homeless problems anyways. Just harder to solve.
@@eufrozinak9461OK commie
@@eufrozinak9461 It's actually seniors that constrict the housing supply. Your parents and whatnot. The average occupants per home has been falling. Most seniors are terrified of getting a bad renter, so even in quite large 2400-3200sqft homes, they'll live there with just their partner, or alone once they pass away. My city has thousands of such homes occupied by 1 or 2 people (used to be families), while the housing crisis rages. Typically rental landlords will try to buy them up, renovate them, and then get 8+ people into the units. (Double incomes for stability.) That takes a unit housing 1-2 people up to housing 4x as many, in the same city footprint and density. A very good thing.
The only issue is, the laws protect tenants so much, that the losses from the occasional bad tenant (50-100k) has to be absorbed by the good ones. After subtracting mortgage and property taxes, it can take 15+ good tenants to offset one bad one. They estimate that in the Vancouver region, almost $500/mo of rent is risk premium due to laws favouring tenants and the court backlogs. It's probably more than that though, because some seniors would renovate and rent, adding to housing supply, if they could safely do it.
Over in the Netherlands, there was a city named Rotterdam that tried mandating that all home purchases must be to live there, not be a rental. During COVID, the housing prices there soared, while the surrounding areas that allowed rentals did not have homes increase as much in dollars or %'s. In the end due to falling amounts of rental units (as the area becomes gentrified by owners only), the rents soared to more than twice the surrounding areas. Now everyone renting has to commute to the jobs in the downtown core and live on the outskirts. It did not have the expected effect, because landlords fill an important role in society, which governments typically will choose not to. (Other than a few, like Singapore and whatnot.)
If you vilify the only people willing to provide the service, I hope you have a plan to provide that service to all, or the price is going to skyrocket as supply/demand become incredibly unbalanced.
@@eufrozinak9461 Your communist rantings are pathetic.
Its not, repeat NOT just NYC. It is everywhere! Ask me how I know. I live in Louisiana. And it is the same.
what city did this happen in? i live there too.
Bossier City @@trueneutral3092
No one asked you "how you know".
...it is not the same. NY, MA, CA, NJ have very different tenants rights than the rest of the country.
@@trueneutral3092 Bossier CIty.
There are other states in the US that have squatters rights laws that favor squatters. It's like a freaking network. They know when there is a vacant house (because the new owners haven't arrived yet) and they communicate it for someone in the squatters network to come break in and claim it as their own. With no documentation, that should be an automatic boot.
Cowon S9 and J3 owner over here. Beyond elated to see a Cowon shoutout! Hands down the best DAP manufacturer of it's day.
I think people are too polite sometimes , don't play by the rules, as it gets you nowhere, what she should have done is asked some people if they wanted to make some quick money, & get it sorted , nothing to see here if anyone turns up later, did not see anything
100%. People are too conflict adverse. And then just huff and puff under their breath and wonder why people cut in front of them in a queue. Good people need to band together and say "no" when they see bad behavior.
@@vanessac1721 I think it's because here in NYC, many good people have been stabbed or killed for a lot less. I can't tell you how many fights I've seen on the train start over nothing more than someone bumped someone without saying excuse me, or sorry...or maybe they did apologize and it just wasn't enough because someone felt like fighting that day.
I love your journey from lovable tech to the uncle we all need. I hope you go on to become America's Grandpa and we'll show the gen deltas all the stories of how the vintage tech worked
Love the video Louis as always.
I had something similar to this happen to a friend. She's an actor, and was away on a film shoot for about 40 days. When she got home, there were squatters living in her apartment. This was in 2023. She had to move in with her parents while waiting on the court to give her apartment back. And her landlord expects her to keep paying rent to keep the apartment, despite that she can't live there because of a squatter. So there's a squatter living rent free in her apartment and she has to keep paying rent if she wants to move back into the apartment once the courts do their job. It's insane!
Honestly, fuck paying that back. It makes more sense to not pay it back and let the landlord deal with the squatter instead.
A properly written rental contract would say you and ONLY you may possess the property. The landlord is just lazy and dimwitted. Incidentally strong tenancy rights INCLUDE the right to trespass. Which she could do since she has her rental contract.
No one "owns" their home, they're renting it, even if you "bought" it. That's what property taxes are for, so the government are your landlord at that point.
Property tax is not rent. It is fee to for maintenance of surrounding area.
@@rishitkhanna336 That's what rent is, too.
@@RB-bd5tz So your food , phone and almost all things you buy are rent
@@rishitkhanna336 No, no, no; that's different. (For now. The World Economic Forum wants you not to own anything, but to rent and subscribe to everything, but we're only partway there.) My point is, you pay your property taxes and expect the government to maintain your environment (city, neighbourhood). You pay your rent and expect the landlord to maintain your environment (building). If you don't pay your property taxes, you eventually lose your home. If you don't pay your rent, you eventually lose your home. So, even though they're not supposed to be the same thing, effectively, they are.
If no one owns their home, then why do they get the excess proceeds from a forced tax sale? Why does the local tax authority only deduct the overdue taxes/fees and not the entire proceeds from the sale?
Albert's probably deaf now.
This happened in my country a couple years back. Gypsies got into a dude's house while he was out shopping, he came back and found the lock had been changed. Took him 5 years to get them out of his house, they thrashed the place completely.
You all are nice people debating this issue.
If I was a home owner, I wouldn't call the cops and have my house back.
I’m with you. There’s no reason to involve the authorities. I’ll take care of it.
This is NY though. If you touch them, you will go to prison for a long time.
@@dereksbooks if they get away with theft because they just weren't noticed for a month, what can you get away with if you're not noticed ever?
This is exactly why squatters are known for being highly hostile people with some smart tactics to get things done their way. Whatever they want, they find a way to get things done. There have been too many cases like this, homeowners who were away were unable to get into their own houses because the law protects the home invaders... it's absurd.
You're right but the most egregious thing here is the tactics weren't even smart, the city is just dumb lol
This is exactly why landlords are known for being highly hostile people with some smart tactics to get things done their way. Whatever they want, they find a way to get things done. There have been too many cases like this, tenants who were away were unable to get into their own houses because the law protects the property owner... it's absurd.
yup, that's why they're squatting instead of have their own place, because they're known for getting things done their way and not just extremely desperate people living in the worst conditions.
A landlord makes a claim that they have squatters, the people have been living there for over a month. Tenant laws require that they go to court, so as to ensure that the rights of all parties are weighed properly.
Since there is no requirement for a contract to be a tenant, (shared living spaces are kinda a messy affair, and that can't be required for a lot of scenarios, so it's not reasonably possible)
What fool would assume that the Police could and should even be allowed to assume who's lying?
That's why you leave it to the courts. Once it gets to the point at which tenant law takes over, the cops must follow tenant law. The courts can weight everything and then make an informed decision. Police are not informed parties. They can't be informed parties, and so they are not able to make such judgements.
This is where it's an advantage to have some "connected" people in your family. One favor asked and the squatters simply "left" the home never to be seen or heard from again...
Make America “connected” again 🇺🇸
not everyone knows the Clintons...
Pretty cool stance, advocating for murder. I bet you're a riot to be around.
@@erichansen8016 I'd say pretty much everyone knows the Clintons, but not everyone "knows" the Clintons well enough to make people they don't like commit not-alive.
They go swim with the fishes 😂
I went to NY for the first time. And I was not there for very long. But I tell you the truth, a Real NY person will tell you off about the silliest thing, but they WILL help you out if you are honest. Like this one guy I lost my bags it was my mistake and I told him so I was stupid I lost my bags can he help me, then for the next 3 hours this guy who did not have to help me, starts telling me how stupid I am etc and complaining and everything and the whole time I am watching and he is moving mountains for me to get my bags jumping through hoops and cutting through red tape. I just tell you, they may chew you out, but they got hearts of gold they are good people. Thats why I want to go back if I ever can afford to again. I love that guy he was amazing.
Glad you didn’t edit that out. That’s our truth. We went through that the majority of the time 😂😭
I was going to say "change the way you vote locally", but the landlady's vote is probably swamped 100-1 for the politicians that give your house away.
Go to the mayors house during business hours and pitch a tent.
She probably was one of those compassionate voters - til it bit her in the 🍑
Why do squatter have rights all? They should be immediately put in jail for trespassing
Squatter laws are supposed to protect renters, not people breaking into houses and living there.
Trespass isn't a crim offence in UK, so how does one go about prosecuting them ?
@@quantisedspace7047Why are you bringing up the UK? This happened in New York
It's practically an ancient practice that was brought over to the US from England. Noble landowners would squabble over where their property line was. Some of the land ownership claims were bogus and tenuous at best, so the laws were put in place to validate the one who used the land for years or decades prior with no complaints.
@@quantisedspace7047that changed with PCSAC in 2022
In Thailand, squatters who occupy someone else's property for 10 or more years get adverse possession of it. Nearly happened to my family heritage there lol.
adverse possession is usually colloquially called "squatters rights" but is a separate concept from poorly written or verbal agreements of tenancy (like house sitting for example) turning into something the owner doesn't want then bitching the law is protecting the "squatter" Nope sorry that's actually what tenancy rights are for.
As for adverse possession it's actually very straight forward. The basis of property rights is the exercise of exclusivity (I.E. enclosure). Otherwise we'd all still be living on common land. The concept makes more sense when talking about your neighbors fence being built on your property and you try to claim 30 years in that it's your property.
Always love a good Louis vs NY video.
I used to wonder about this sort of thing but then I realized, we've been conquered and the spoils are being divided among the victors. The criminals won.
Then decide who are to become the criminals
The pro crime left.
The general idea of squatters rights is a good one... be it to revive neighbourhoods where owners cannot or do not want to care for their houses, or to deter real-estate owners from deliberately keeping houses empty in an area with high demand, in order to artificially drive up prices.
But this was certainly not the case, here. And 30 days is way too short a time-frame to award squatters rights. Many jurisdictions with laws on squatters rights asks for 5 to 10 years of continuous living (and care for the building) AND it is on the squatter to provide the evidence.
Why is a squatter necessary though? In most areas, there are still property taxes and if the homeowner is still putting in the effort to pay them, then they haven't really abandoned the home. If they do, the local government can confiscate the house under the laws (with adequate protections built in) and re-sell it. Squatters are completely unnecessary in the equation!
@@commentinglife6175 : The squatter comes into the equation, because the local government simply doesn't have the manpower to check on and/or seize buildings. Even worse in municipalities with either high amount of abandoned buildings or in areas with high population density.
And again, just in case you missed it... the case presented here is certainly not a just one. And in my opinion, 30 days is way too short to be considered (for lack of a better term) "proper squatting". Generally it's five to ten years of documented and uninterrupted living AND care for the building, during which the owner could have you evicted at any moment.
Yeah, but instead of giving abandoned properties to random squatters, the government could just take ownership of the property themselves and either auction it off, or better yet: rent it out at a fair price. We need more social housing after all!
@@LRM12o8 : I agree with the social housing.
Concerning the government taking possession not so much... because that opens a nasty can of worms and abuse, that's far worse than squatters.
@@LRM12o8 Or the government would keep the house for themselves as they normally do with power.