As much as I would agree and I would love to see the distance I believe up to spec they would only have possibly with that scope being 6 by 6 instead of 6 by 12 for Zoom capacity and the bow having a draw strength of a Max of possibly maybe a football field that would be lovely to see that small Target
Heres my take: I feel like the sand is acting as a non-newtonian fluid, which is a medium that acts more like a solid the faster you push something through it and, conversely, behaves more like a fluid the slower. Picture sticking your finger in some sand as opposed to punching it. The arrow is shot at a much slower speed than a bullet, and is very streamlined, so it stands to reason that it would pass through the sandbag more successfully. Also, Yay Gasparito! I love that dude :)
The reason the xbow goes through sand so well, is that the shaft does not get gripped by the sand to slow it down, like most other non-live test media does. In deer and predators xbow pass clean through most of the time. Xbows are phenomenal penetrators and would go much much further if a tip is made that expands the hole just a bit more than the diameter of the shaft, or if the shaft is lubed. Lube your shafts gents.
The arrow going through the sandbag can only be because of the behaviour of sand when hit. The arrow has a lot less energy than a bullet, so the sand has enough time to move out of the way and act like a fluid. If a bullet hits, there is so much pressure in such a short time, that the sand can't move out of the way and the bullet stops. Thtat's the only explanation i can imagine right now....
The arrow has penetrating power more than a regular bullet which hits with more blunt force. Think pushing a flattened stick through sand compared to a stick with a point it'll go through easier. But the rate at which it fires does come into account
Wow, what a beautiful bow, I love the TenPoint Crossbows but this is something else, I absolutely love the way they have designed the accusled cocking and de-cocking device and it’s so perfectly quiet but the way the winch is integrated into the stock is fantastic. But the Reverse Draw Limbs are sexier than any catwalk model, this Viper S400 really is a game changer. Well done TenPoint and if this is 2020, I can’t wait to see 2030!
Mr K the bolt has no propulsion so it starts slowing as soon as it leaves the crossbow, just like bullets from a gun, bullets start slowing the instant it leaves the barrel.
@@mrk9444 Bows & crossbows or firearms for that matter don't work like that. Acceleration ends as the bolt/arrow/bullet leaves the crossbow/bowstring/barrel. It does not speed up after that but slowly decelerates due to air/wing resistance & drag.
@@2bingtim I own a bow. It takes atleast 75 feet to get up to speed. I've mailed deers at 20-30 feet and my 475 won't drop them. Anything over 50 drops. I'm talking about first hand experience. You need a class to own them in Canada now.
The science behind sand bag: It's like a silly putty effect. Arrow has less energy so it moves through it smoothly, while bullets have lot of energy, so the bullet and the sand destroy each other. Just like silly putty. It's soft but if you throw it hard, it breaks. Same reason why some vests are bulletproof but not stab proof,
The bullet basically dumps most of its energy into the sand whereas the arrow does not flatten on impact. Its slower speed may be an advantage here and if it has the right amount of kinetic energy it can force the sand grains aside because of the shape of the arrow head.
@@riccardomoriconi9875 jacket still comes off it and it starts to tumble, arrows are notorious for being able to pierce soft 3a armor purely because they keep together and keep momentum
Crossbows need distance to get the bolt up to full speed. You won't kill a deer if you shoot it too close. They should of been atleast 50-75 feet back from where they were standing
“You have to be careful sometimes” I was like “yeah you have to be careful” to my younger siblings, but then I corrected, you have to be careful *all the time*
I'm glad you said something about cracked carbon arrows. Years ago my dad and a few of his buddies went elk hunting when carbon fiber first came out for arrows and there wasnt any safety precautions or the check and bend it logo on carbon arrows. They were target practicing up in the mountains and one his friends arrows went through the target and hit a boulder. Next shot with that arrow it had exploded under under the stress from being shot. Went to the ER and the dr had pulled out over 180 pieces of carbon fiber pieces out if his hand. Took my dad years to finally shoot carbon fiber after he seen what happened to his buddies hand, granted it's hard to find aluminum arrows anymore.
I hit rocks all the time while target shooting with carbon fiber arrows and they don't explode. Also there are a few brands of extra tough carbon fiber arrows. So they've improved a lot since they first came out.
I got my order in today that i ordered from you guys. The American hat, the Miss Vickie's chips & my 50 cal shell. When I opened the box I said "Look at this beauty" LOL that hat looks sick. Thanks for signing it guys!
I just found this channel a few days ago and I already love it. Can we send you stuff to shoot? I have a giant piece of obsidian that only a diamond pickaxe can break but I have a feeling that a fast piece of lead can get the job done
Awesome Crossbow presented by awesome you tubers. Would love a shirt in large for my husband or a hat, if you guys signed that would be even more awesome! Would be great for father's day. I'm ready!!! We love you guys!
I recently bought a crossbow and the the self cocking device built in to your cross bow is so sweet. I wish I had on I’ve look at the acudraw device from the website.
My two cents is that the bullets travel so fast when they hit the sand they breakup where as the arrows traveling slower with greater mass allows them to pass through. Neat crossbow and fun video to watch
I have TenPoint Turbo xlt2 and absolutely love it, perfect accuracy right off the shelf. That Vapor RS470 on there sight sounds pretty sweet though. Maybe down the road I will treat myself.
The Chinese are only using level III? Lol, and some people are afraid of a Chinese invasion. They need at LEAST level IV to fight American civilians. .30-06 is pretty damn popular over here.
Arrows go less energy so can go through it smoothly, while bullets came with very high energy, so the bullet and the armor, helmets destroy each other. If it's soft but if you throw it hard, it breaks. Thats why bulletproof vests are only bulletproof but not with knife, arrows and other melee weaponry.
Regarding the sand bag it may be the same effect a pool of water has on higher velocity projectiles. Water stops high velocity projectiles but the lower velocity ones keep going and do not lose all the energy at entry of the water. Sorta like diving, the water can feel like a pillow or concrete depending on how fast you are traveling and the entry angle.
No, technically they are arrows. A true bolt from medieval crossbows in medieval times were far shorter with no vanes/feathers to steer flight. Here in the United States, there is a little bit of conflict between die-hard bow hunters and those hunters that want to use crossbows. Some people who use a normal (vertical) bow, look down upon crossbows and do not consider them real "archery" equipment and instead want to classify them as some kind of gun or rifle, and thusly make it where we can't hunt with crossbows during "archery" deer season and we'd have to wait for the slightly later "rifle" season if we wanted to use our crossbows--which would be bad for us, because deer become a lot harder to hunt once they start hearing rifle shots in the woods. So a lot of newbies to crossbows want to be "hip" and give the name "bolt" to modern crossbows because it makes them sound more special. But here in the U.S. that trend can be a bad thing for people who want to hunt with crossbows.. so once ya learn the politics of the issue and if you agree that crossbows should be able to be classified as an archery-style weapon, then you'd best call them arrows.
Actually they are arrows, because they use fins to help in flight. Bolts use a weighted front and they are half the length of the arrow used in this video. Plus bolts are ancient.
DarkUnholy I thought the point of a bolt was to be shorter than an arrow but I guess not. Maybe the definition should be changed so it’s easier to differentiate between bow and crossbow ammo.
11:20 "How is that possible??" I'm almost certain all arrows wobble in the air after they are shot from a bow or crossbow, and even wobbles after it hits a target. Considering an arrow is lighter and slower than most bullets, and theoretically shouldn't penetrate a bag of sand more than a bullet, the wobbling of the arrow is likely driving it deeper through the sand
I like the hats! I know how you feel about needing more bolts! I like to push the limit with my center point 415 and end up losing them on further shots.
So the technology and easy of use of Ten Point Crossbows is pretty awesome. I would say that there is no worry about taking a Ten Point or bigger deer or Elk. Also, with the ease and quiestness of loading an arrow would be great for turkey hunting too.
The reasons the arrow penetrates the sand bag is, mass, energy, and the fact that its slower than a bullet. Its like hitting the sand with your fist (like a bullet) or working your way into the sand with your fist (arrow). Thats what i think
As a country boy who does outdoor" stuff" these reviews are so beneficial to what I do spend my money on. Quality always outweighs quantity or popularity.
On their site, they have the RDX400 model, much cheaper and as powerful as the VIPER S400. Possibly my birthday present. Thanks for the recommendation, I didn't know the company TenPoint
The bullet basically dumps most of its energy into the sand whereas the arrow does not flatten on impact. Its slower speed may be an advantage here and if it has the right amount of kinetic energy it can force the sand grains aside because of the shape of the arrow head.
You guys should do a long range crossbow shooting competition between the two of you! See who can hit a 24" target as far away as possible!
Great idea. How about it Ed/G?
Do bow & arrow too.
@Noel Molloy I don't know I've seen other videos where he shoots very well and I think he can see the rounds in flight.
As much as I would agree and I would love to see the distance I believe up to spec they would only have possibly with that scope being 6 by 6 instead of 6 by 12 for Zoom capacity and the bow having a draw strength of a Max of possibly maybe a football field that would be lovely to see that small Target
@Noel Molloyto today and
Heres my take: I feel like the sand is acting as a non-newtonian fluid, which is a medium that acts more like a solid the faster you push something through it and, conversely, behaves more like a fluid the slower. Picture sticking your finger in some sand as opposed to punching it. The arrow is shot at a much slower speed than a bullet, and is very streamlined, so it stands to reason that it would pass through the sandbag more successfully. Also, Yay Gasparito! I love that dude :)
The reason the xbow goes through sand so well, is that the shaft does not get gripped by the sand to slow it down, like most other non-live test media does. In deer and predators xbow pass clean through most of the time. Xbows are phenomenal penetrators and would go much much further if a tip is made that expands the hole just a bit more than the diameter of the shaft, or if the shaft is lubed. Lube your shafts gents.
That is one of the most beautiful and deadly bows I've ever seen! Love your show and lookforward to more .Thanks
Bruce
I have never seen a friendship like you guys
11:01 Gaspereto doing his best Beyoncé impression. “To the left to the left”
No the other left.
Is that where Beyonce’s g-spot is? To the Left?
😭
Lol
As well as being a well engineered Crossbow, it comes with so many extras, scope, arrows, quiver, broadheads, carry strap and case. Awesome value
The arrow going through the sandbag can only be because of the behaviour of sand when hit. The arrow has a lot less energy than a bullet, so the sand has enough time to move out of the way and act like a fluid. If a bullet hits, there is so much pressure in such a short time, that the sand can't move out of the way and the bullet stops.
Thtat's the only explanation i can imagine right now....
Well said.
Perfect 👌
The arrow has penetrating power more than a regular bullet which hits with more blunt force. Think pushing a flattened stick through sand compared to a stick with a point it'll go through easier. But the rate at which it fires does come into account
That and the bullet tends to be a softer metal than bolt tips, the bullet deforms and spreads out, further dissipating the energy into the sand...
*Scientist has been spotted*
Was that Chinese military helmet purchased on Wish 🤣
Lmao
*rever* 5.
Where do you think the Chinese army buy their helmets from? 🌝
Ozukum Aolong and the Venezuelans get their night vision there too
Daniel 666VampireVamp i get the reference 🤣🤣🤣
Wow, what a beautiful bow, I love the TenPoint Crossbows but this is something else, I absolutely love the way they have designed the accusled cocking and de-cocking device and it’s so perfectly quiet but the way the winch is integrated into the stock is fantastic. But the Reverse Draw Limbs are sexier than any catwalk model, this Viper S400 really is a game changer. Well done TenPoint and if this is 2020, I can’t wait to see 2030!
You guys really crack me up! The videos are informational and demonstrated so well.
This channel is amazing actually both channels are amazing can't get enough of them
Yeah, the arrow doesn’t mushroom out and keeps its momentum.
Good point.-no pun intended.
He's also shooting for too close. Not enough distance for it to pick up full speed
Mr K the bolt has no propulsion so it starts slowing as soon as it leaves the crossbow, just like bullets from a gun, bullets start slowing the instant it leaves the barrel.
@@mrk9444 Bows & crossbows or firearms for that matter don't work like that. Acceleration ends as the bolt/arrow/bullet leaves the crossbow/bowstring/barrel. It does not speed up after that but slowly decelerates due to air/wing resistance & drag.
@@2bingtim I own a bow. It takes atleast 75 feet to get up to speed. I've mailed deers at 20-30 feet and my 475 won't drop them. Anything over 50 drops. I'm talking about first hand experience. You need a class to own them in Canada now.
The science behind sand bag:
It's like a silly putty effect. Arrow has less energy so it moves through it smoothly, while bullets have lot of energy, so the bullet and the sand destroy each other. Just like silly putty. It's soft but if you throw it hard, it breaks. Same reason why some vests are bulletproof but not stab proof,
It's also how the new liquid armor works; the faster the projectile, the more effective the armor.
Yes right its same effect like when supersonic bullets hits water they shatter into pieces
The bullet basically dumps most of its energy into the sand whereas the arrow does not flatten on impact. Its slower speed may be an advantage here and if it has the right amount of kinetic energy it can force the sand grains aside because of the shape of the arrow head.
Good to see 'Fire in the Hole' back again! I love your videos and never miss one!
I have been researching ten point crossbows. Now I have to have one. Nice fun video you guys are great.
a bullet expands or fragments on impact, a crossbow bolt keeps turning and cutting till it loses velocity, two different physics at play
Does a crossbow bolt turn? I thought it does not spin, stabilized by its feathers
The Lapua is not a hollow point, it does not expands.
@@riccardomoriconi9875 jacket still comes off it and it starts to tumble, arrows are notorious for being able to pierce soft 3a armor purely because they keep together and keep momentum
Crossbows need distance to get the bolt up to full speed. You won't kill a deer if you shoot it too close. They should of been atleast 50-75 feet back from where they were standing
@@mrk9444 where did you hear this? it is the same as a gun, greatest velocity is out of the muzzle, you can test this with a chronograph which i have
“You have to be careful sometimes” I was like “yeah you have to be careful” to my younger siblings, but then I corrected, you have to be careful *all the time*
You guys rock!!!! Love the vids please never stop 😎
9:14 " Look at this beauty" there something so nostalgic and inspiring when an old folks admiring an arts 🥺
“If l am not mistaken “, yaaay! You are the man, great grammar, thank you 🙏
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I'm glad you said something about cracked carbon arrows. Years ago my dad and a few of his buddies went elk hunting when carbon fiber first came out for arrows and there wasnt any safety precautions or the check and bend it logo on carbon arrows. They were target practicing up in the mountains and one his friends arrows went through the target and hit a boulder. Next shot with that arrow it had exploded under under the stress from being shot. Went to the ER and the dr had pulled out over 180 pieces of carbon fiber pieces out if his hand. Took my dad years to finally shoot carbon fiber after he seen what happened to his buddies hand, granted it's hard to find aluminum arrows anymore.
I hit rocks all the time while target shooting with carbon fiber arrows and they don't explode. Also there are a few brands of extra tough carbon fiber arrows. So they've improved a lot since they first came out.
I got my order in today that i ordered from you guys. The American hat, the Miss Vickie's chips & my 50 cal shell. When I opened the box I said "Look at this beauty" LOL that hat looks sick. Thanks for signing it guys!
I went to their website. I like them all, but I can’t afford any of them 🤷🏻♂️.
7:01 "Oh, we got wood" LMFAO!
Best crossbow I’ve ever seen, love your videos!
Love your video's! Thanks again guy's!!
11:40 “That’s a scientific analogy” 😂
All I learned is that I need to get this for the zombie apocalypse.
Super surprised that the bolt cleared the sandbag so easily. Nice cocking/decocking mechanism!
I enjoy your videos so much, even the cooking ones
Bowling ball cannon vs concrete wall we'd love to see it
I guess the ball gonna broke hahahah 😆
I just found this channel a few days ago and I already love it. Can we send you stuff to shoot? I have a giant piece of obsidian that only a diamond pickaxe can break but I have a feeling that a fast piece of lead can get the job done
I have a boulder of obsidian that is such a good idea 😂
yes i think that you can send things over. but i am not really shure where/how
@@Max-vt9wn awesome max thanks for the info!
Can you imagine getting hit with obsidian shrapnel?
@@JuiceTubes but i think he you need to look on his Instagram Account or Video description
Awesome Crossbow presented by awesome you tubers. Would love a shirt in large for my husband or a hat, if you guys signed that would be even more awesome! Would be great for father's day. I'm ready!!! We love you guys!
You guys are fun to watch, love your cooking videos too. Great steaks and burgers. Keep up the good work.
Love the response to "I think four"
Straight to the point. "Mmmm No" haha
I'm Readddyyyyyy ... 😆
Love the daily uploads. 😁
I just checked out the website, and I really want the Viper S400! Great stuff!
"De-cocking system" sounds kinda painful=)
Hyhzssyj
It would have been awesome to see some range/accuracy tests. Any chance we can get another vid with this Viper S400 at 100 yards?
I recently bought a crossbow and the the self cocking device built in to your cross bow is so sweet. I wish I had on I’ve look at the acudraw device from the website.
I like their crossbows, that ratchet design is a handy feature.
Just bought this crossbow and can’t wait to shoot it
My two cents is that the bullets travel so fast when they hit the sand they breakup where as the arrows traveling slower with greater mass allows them to pass through. Neat crossbow and fun video to watch
No.
You two always make me think of Bud Spencer and Terence Hill. Great video. 👍
I have TenPoint Turbo xlt2 and absolutely love it, perfect accuracy right off the shelf. That Vapor RS470 on there sight sounds pretty sweet though. Maybe down the road I will treat myself.
nice!
I'd like a T-shirt, Size: Large. Thanks!
I really like the ten point Rampage 360, it's a starting point but as a person who is an archery hunter I would buy it any day of the week, I'm ready!
The Vapor RS470 looks like an absolute beast - would love to play with one of those.
Would like a t shirt signed by you and "I am ready" guy.
The Chinese are only using level III? Lol, and some people are afraid of a Chinese invasion. They need at LEAST level IV to fight American civilians. .30-06 is pretty damn popular over here.
Helmets are not meant to stop rifle rounds. Their purpose is more for stopping fragments from explosives, kicked up debris etc...
Arrows go less energy so can go through it smoothly, while bullets came with very high energy, so the bullet and the armor, helmets destroy each other. If it's soft but if you throw it hard, it breaks. Thats why bulletproof vests are only bulletproof but not with knife, arrows and other melee weaponry.
Regarding the sand bag it may be the same effect a pool of water has on higher velocity projectiles. Water stops high velocity projectiles but the lower velocity ones keep going and do not lose all the energy at entry of the water. Sorta like diving, the water can feel like a pillow or concrete depending on how fast you are traveling and the entry angle.
Nice gear Tent point has I like the shirt you're wearing casual.
Edwin= "Is That Enough Information Jasii"
Jasii= Yeeesssshhhh 😂😂😂😂
Wonder if Jeorge Sparve has reviewed this one yet... ~( 'w')/
I really like the camo hoodie they have on there website and the evo 3 arrow heads. I also like this channel. ❤❤
Great video thanks guys. I like the Tenpoint Vapor RS470👌
Best part is that KILLER SHOT on a CHINESE MILITARY HELMET ❤
11:15 sound like 50BMG somewhere..
might be possible
I'd love to get that vapor rs470 one day. That viper you're shooting is awesome as well.
Thats a Beautiful cross Bow. I bought a Bear Kuma couple yrs ago I've been looking at Cross Bows Just might have to look more into that one .
I’m seeing Edwin & everyone in the comments calling it an arrow, isn’t it called a bolt? 🧐
Rashed125 yeah I noticed that but didn’t feel like editing the post. I figured my point was made either way.
No, technically they are arrows. A true bolt from medieval crossbows in medieval times were far shorter with no vanes/feathers to steer flight. Here in the United States, there is a little bit of conflict between die-hard bow hunters and those hunters that want to use crossbows. Some people who use a normal (vertical) bow, look down upon crossbows and do not consider them real "archery" equipment and instead want to classify them as some kind of gun or rifle, and thusly make it where we can't hunt with crossbows during "archery" deer season and we'd have to wait for the slightly later "rifle" season if we wanted to use our crossbows--which would be bad for us, because deer become a lot harder to hunt once they start hearing rifle shots in the woods.
So a lot of newbies to crossbows want to be "hip" and give the name "bolt" to modern crossbows because it makes them sound more special. But here in the U.S. that trend can be a bad thing for people who want to hunt with crossbows.. so once ya learn the politics of the issue and if you agree that crossbows should be able to be classified as an archery-style weapon, then you'd best call them arrows.
Actually they are arrows, because they use fins to help in flight. Bolts use a weighted front and they are half the length of the arrow used in this video. Plus bolts are ancient.
DarkUnholy I thought the point of a bolt was to be shorter than an arrow but I guess not.
Maybe the definition should be changed so it’s easier to differentiate between bow and crossbow ammo.
Hi
11:20 "How is that possible??"
I'm almost certain all arrows wobble in the air after they are shot from a bow or crossbow, and even wobbles after it hits a target. Considering an arrow is lighter and slower than most bullets, and theoretically shouldn't penetrate a bag of sand more than a bullet, the wobbling of the arrow is likely driving it deeper through the sand
i was thinking the wobbling and penetrating moment can be similar to drilling
WuKingdom1 it just has a greater mass and doesn’t deform unlike soft lead
Jake P dont forget about the cast iron skillets
Are you kidding me...I would love to have that Viper S400 crossbow!!! That was awesome!
Having the camo hoodie or a hat would be awesome ya could sign it too would be the icing on the cake
I clicked so fast by this notifications
6:30 F.B.I drop your gun
Edwin = sorry man i have a crossbow and using practise tip bolts + making a video
6:35 F.B.I leaves
Love the Blue and White Cap, Could get Autograph from Edwin and Gaspari, That is an awesome crossbow!!!
I’ve really like your videos. You both make it a happy fun environment. Stay healthy and safe inside your body 😉🤙🏼
Reload speed insane 🤯still using it in warzone
I had several Chevy S10's...loved 'Em!
That is such a beautiful crossbow! I wish I was worthy of it!
Love you guys, awesome videos. Keep it up. TenPoint is number one in my book.
Love the red TenPoint hat
I like the hats! I know how you feel about needing more bolts! I like to push the limit with my center point 415 and end up losing them on further shots.
The Nitro XRT all day everyday! keep up the great work guys
I love the ten point camo hoodie.
The rest of the crossbows on their site are just as crazy as this one!
Everyone's saying they'd want a shirt but I'd rather go for a hat
So the technology and easy of use of Ten Point Crossbows is pretty awesome. I would say that there is no worry about taking a Ten Point or bigger deer or Elk. Also, with the ease and quiestness of loading an arrow would be great for turkey hunting too.
Camera guy is a legend , I’m ready !!:)
I love ur simplicity ❤❤
Pure fun
The best cameraman always REAAADDYYYYYYYY
Super Cool👍. ..."and don't kick back!" I'd Love a shirt signed by you guy's !
Love your videos
That is a nice cross bow. Wow. I need one
The reasons the arrow penetrates the sand bag is, mass, energy, and the fact that its slower than a bullet. Its like hitting the sand with your fist (like a bullet) or working your way into the sand with your fist (arrow). Thats what i think
He's shooting too close for it to get up to speed. Anyone who owns an x bow knows that. He needs to be atleast 75 feet.
Pretty cool video. I really want one
fantastic crossbow! I love it.
As a country boy who does outdoor" stuff" these reviews are so beneficial to what I do spend my money on. Quality always outweighs quantity or popularity.
I agree with the Cam man.. Like water, the faster you hit it the harder it is.. Crossbow at the sweet spot of speed for the sand..
Perfect video like always and really good technology from tenpoint
O and the elk look so good. Saludos gaspariii
Great video, also surprised about the sand bag!
You should try some kind of accuracy long distance challenge.
M-370 crossbow is good enough for me, nice price on it too from Tenpoint!! Great video, I would have lost the sandbag bet
Excellent video. Very enjoyable to watch.
On their site, they have the RDX400 model, much cheaper and as powerful as the VIPER S400. Possibly my birthday present. Thanks for the recommendation, I didn't know the company TenPoint
With sandbag it's all about the arrow's tip shape. It has a point like a needle, so can pass through easily
The bullet basically dumps most of its energy into the sand whereas the arrow does not flatten on impact. Its slower speed may be an advantage here and if it has the right amount of kinetic energy it can force the sand grains aside because of the shape of the arrow head.
That xr-410 is nice!!!!! Right up my alley!!!!! Nice video shoot guys!!!
You guys Crazy Man for Crosbow Very Very Nice...