The Creator of the Skill vs. The Followers
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The amount of trust they have in not only the equipment but themselves as well. I could never
I wouldn’t be able to do it just cause I’m not flexible like that it has nothing to do with skill for me😂
I never trust myself I just go for it bc if I don't ima have to do push ups, sometimes I just close my eyes
Might be a long process idk maybe you dont go for the backflip day 1
@@iaimen865 thanks for the advice but I just won’t go for the backflip at all👌
@Ashlin TwT I'm joking hahaha!! Ik not to close my eyes lol
How many of these were done by mistake the first time and the trainer said "wow that was great! Do it again!"
I don’t think these skills are ever done right the first time
Apparently, that was the story of the Comaneci salto. She missed the high bar during the Radochla and re-caught the lower bar.
None
@@adde9506 look at the comment above you.
How I taught myself to dance
I came into the comments thinking i was gonna see a bunch of people like me, not knowing anything about what is happening but still watching. But literally everyone else knows what’s happening
its ok im lost too-
it’s okay sis, i’m only here cause i searched for the katelyn ohashi floor routine a couple times (she’s amazing i love her) and now my whole recommended is gymnastics lol
Lmao same! Everyone here knows what this is about
I have no idea too, dw
Yeah Im pretty sure this only popped up because i watch a lot of Top Talent videos. I know nothing, but I like watching
the Homma is just saying “aight imma breakdance” at the beginning of your routine
NO She's doing flairs on pommel horse
@@jaymidill3845 it’s a joke
😂😂😂😂
Lmao😂😂😂😂
Lol. Exactly what I thought
3:46 "Very difficult. That's the White"
3:58 "This is really tricky. Called an inverted giant."
Morgan White: Am I nothing to you
Wolf turns too
And that's not even giant, it's stalder.
@@slavaro1992 that’s not a stalder bro
@@scremmy_draws that's a stalder forward, element 4.301 in CoP
eyubeon pretty sure it is
1:46 I'd like to see male gymnasts do this.
lol that's probably why men don't do beam!
You're a psycho lmao
@@roniii735 💀💀
even as a woman that must hurt
@@user-us7om6ui7b yeah big time
4:09 **gracefully break dances**
Produnova definitely maintained the best execution of that skill. That was one situation that the modern day gymnast didn’t out perform the originator in these video clips.
she only did it right twice herself.
💯
Yeah that girl after her did not have it
Definitely the PRODUNOVA.
I think the main reason for this isn't just because Produnova is uncontestedly the master of the move, but also because it's not a move encouraged. In fact, there's been a movement to ban this move across the sport for awhile. It's considered a dangerous move because the amount of spin and height required for the amount of rotations is very difficult to achieve. An absolute example of skill, grace, and athleticism, no doubt, but also can have disastrous consequences if you make even minute mistakes while trying to execute.
I honestly think this move will remain frozen in history as an example of Produnova's greatness, simply because it's too dangerous for others to follow.
100% agree. Yamilet did not “master the skill” that Produnova coined. This video is supposed to show the best executions of the skill, creator vs “master.” If that is considered “mastery” of the skill it completely discredits how beautifully Produnova executed it. And on the old vault equipment too! That skill should have been left out if that’s the best they could find for a “master” of it
1:50 that looks horrifying. Imagine how many times she messed that up before perfecting it. Owwwww
My jaw dropped when I saw her do that
That must hurt
imagine how many times she face planted into the beam just to get that skill🤭
The person that did what no one thought could be done, vs someone that just practiced it half their life knowing it could be done.
Is sad that now that the equipment is better we not have inventions only the refine form of the Olds.
Not true; some of the skills take the name of the first athlete who was able to compete it and submitted it, but they didn't necessarily invented it. E.g. the Onodi wasn't first performed by Henrietta, but she was the first to submit it so it took her name.
None have executed the Prudonova vault excellently except for Prudonova herself
Didn't Chusovitnia do it in 2016?
I believe she attempted it, but wasn’t awarded for it.
The Indian gymnast, Dipa K., was awarded for it at the Olympics. She placed fourth.
Olga's landing scared the bleep out of me. Thought she was going to roll out of the gym. 😂
@@stingstungmemae1297 Dipa K's prudonova vault was a far cry from how Prudonava executed it.
@@mckenzieraynor8436No. No woman has ever done it as well as Produnova. Not yet anyway.
Lauren Mitchell by "literally everyone"
Yeah 😐
I actually think Terin Humphrey started the triple wolf turn.
The Produnova looks so dangerous. You have to be careful not to land on your head or neck at that force and speed and not knock your teeth out with your knees. 😬
It's the one skill in gymnastics that I know of that they have very rabidly sought to ban across all levels, because it is so dangerous. The second video showing Produnova nailing it - that's been the only instance I've ever seen the vault landed so successfully. All other attempts ended up with gymnasts either on their heads or their rear ends.
@@mousenomiatadpole6437 Omg their heads?! Did they die????
@@nala6846 The ones I saw, no. And they didn't seem to have any ill effects, either, at least that were broadcast. What I meant was, it is possible for a gymnast to land on his/her head on this vault, and that would probably be deadly if that happened. That's why it's the one skill I know of that they're so rabidly seeking to ban.
@@mousenomiatadpole6437 it's very unlikely that it would end so dramatically. With that amount of rotation the worst that could happen is a roll to the back.
@@wiktord9264 Well, I have seen videos where a gymnast did land on their head attempting this vault. Like I said, they walked away with no aftereffects.
The fact that Produnova landed that move while still using the old pommel horse vault makes her that much more impressive and iconic.
Leah Homma's gesture at the end with the ripple up her spine then bringing her arm up is so damn elegant. Everyone else performed it beautifully but her transition out made it look more like a dance than just a series of moves. So impressive.
time?
@@chang3025 4:08 i think
Fun fact: Leah Homma and Peng Peng Lee learned the flares skill at the same gymnastics club.
I wish the wolf turn was never invented
Blame the americans to popularize this disaster 🤷♂️
@@objetivista686 thanks! We love you too 💋
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@@debuskjt208 not exactly, there are still deductions for wolf turns and specifically for wolf turns only. Most gymnast tend to have a body shape deduction especially when their hands starts flaring around and there is also the precision and balance deduction but this isn’t exclusive to wolf turns but all turns in general but it is definitely easier to get wolf turns around tho
@@debuskjt208 american gymnasts were the first to use it en masse and today US gymnastics has great influence over other countries. Nobody is perfect. I blame the russian gymnasts and their coaches to make uneven bars, specially european,n extremely boring during most of the 2010's.
no one will ever do the produnova like produnova (i hope this commentary doesn’t age well)
I have to agree. Produnova was a beast, no one since has come close.
So far. She was a very strong with front saltos period. I don't think that is something that comes easy for all gymnasts. I admire athletes that attempt it but they scare the crap out of me most of the time
not even produnova herself lol 'cuz she only made a couple of descent landings in her carrier the rest were all pretty deep landings like everybody else that attempted that vault
Igor radivilov did a triple front (I know that's mag but still it's insane)
Totally agree..
There's something so empowering about the idea of naming the moves after its creator. Like it just cements the idea that that is their legacy in their field.
Has anyone listened the Mockingjay whistle at 2:27 ?
I noticed that also!
That's part of Paola Ruano's floor music.
It's a conspiracy 👀👀
OMG
omg I heard that too I was looking through the comments to see if anyone else did!
I find it amazing that Mukhina did that skill on pretty much carpeted floorboards! Dos Santos had the benefit of a sprung surface, but still impressive!
1:43 absolutely ethereal
2:34 pretty amazing about elena is that she did this hard move on Non spring floor.
Is that what resulted in her broken leg, which eventually resulted in her injury/paralysis?
@@alohaXamanda no, she was practicing the thomas salto (now a banned skill) 2 weeks before the 1980 olympics and she under rotated which resulted in her landing on her neck, breaking her spinal cord
@@jemimaclayden1107 The Thomas Salto resulted in her paralysis, but she suffered from a broken leg before that. Do people know how she broke her leg?
@@ser55555 nope
@@ser55555 It's been said over training, dieting/malnutrition
I half expected to see Jordan Chiles for the Okino, in her iconic wolf-kino
You mean the wolf turn to quadruple standing pirhouette? LOLOL
@@wendellroden7037 it is just Lol(laugh out loud)
@@sara-gracehill723 Ummm...LOLOL means Lots Of Laughing Out Loud.
@@wendellroden7037 no one says that....
@@sara-gracehill723 Wow I make a comment on a gymnastics video and I get a supposed lesson on what people say or don't say - Google it - people DO say that, so stop wasting everyone's time with your trolling. Do you go around telling people its not hahaha, it's just haha? LOLOLOL
As someone who’s used to dance, I love seeing the triple turn on the balance beam. I wish more gymnasts incorporated those kinds of dance techniques into their routines
100% agree. It’s so beautiful, miss those cool and pretty elements. It’s changed a lot unfortunately
Nastia does the Onodi so perfectly that you practically can’t see her body do the half turn. When other gymnasts do it you can follow where their upper body is throughout the skill, but for Nastia it’s as if she magically teleports facing the other way.
Can we get a compilation of announcers saying “right there”
i second this lol
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@@userm180 erm
I don't think youtube could handle a video that long lol. It would be like making a compilation of all the times Tim Daggett has said "oh boy"
@@angelinap.3840 I was about to suggest that too
ADDITIONAL INFO: "Creator of the skill" is just a title. In some cases, the skill that carries the name of the gymnast does not actually represent the FIRST GYMNAST that performed the skill overall. But because they have to perform/submit the skill at specific competitions, some gymnasts are luckier than others with timing and everything & end up "owning" the skill.
Example: "Onodi wasn't the first gymnast to execute the move - Soviet gymnast Olga Mostepanova was actually the first to perform it in an international competition during the 1984 Friendship Games in Prague. However, since Mostepanova didn't submit the skill to the Code of Points, it was instead named after Onodi, who submitted the move in 1989."
2) I'm not stating the second gymnast perfected the skill (the thumbnail is an exception). This video is simply to show how the skill evolved over the years.
Thanks for giving an explanation.
I've wondered why FIG named that skill Ondodii not Mastepanova.
You know Mostepanova was famous as much as onodi and she did it international competition.
That's why I was really curios of it.
Your labeling in the video is very confusing
Mostepanova performed the skill before 1984 - she competed it at the 1983 World Championships, 6 years before Onodi performed it at 1989 Worlds. Olga's coaches believed that the skill was already in the Code of points. Thus they did not bother submitting it. Henrietta's coaches were more on the ball. I still think it's grossly unfair. Nelli Kim had skills named for herself decades after she competed them.
The Onodi was first performed by Marta Egavari from Hungary - in the cycle before at Worlds 1981 I think? The Mukhina was a full in back out in tuck position, the one by Melanie Dos Santos is a half in half out :))
Meanwhile, rhythmic gymnasts look at the Memmel and say, "You must be new here." 😆
Then Memmel smiles and throws a Dos Santos I and Dos Santos II with nearly perfect form. 😜😍 Meanwhile, rhythmic gymnasts go back to playing with their ball and ribbon 🎀 😁
Dance as well 😂
Relatable
Ha! Rhythmic gymnastics is where they got the idea. It’s 2:58.
@@lillapickett2906 for real 😂 I thought the same with the Okino. It’s like you tried to do a pirouette but then weren’t 100% confident you knew what a pirouette was, so you just went for it. Turning in place on elevé with foot to the knee isn’t the advanced showstopper they made it out to be
I wish we saw the Rueda more often. So original and unique, lovely skill.
But it looks painful af
Yeah someone in my gym does that Ouch
Honestly for how much the Chinese love the Korbut, I'm surprised the Rueda isn't more common. But who knows, maybe they've been biding their time until Tokyo before upgrading.
@@MD-722 but with the korbut you catch your bodyweight with your arms first like in a handspring and with the Rueda you basically land hips first
@@Raven-ll9lm Actually, if you do it correctly you are supposed to put your hands down on the beam first, then swing down. Just like a korbut.
It's SO not fair to the older classic gymnasts nor to today's that they changed the equipment so drastically! You can't compare either way. Who knows if Biles could have obtained the grace and perfection that Nadia had nor if Nadia could do the insane gymnastic moves if today if she had had the same equipment.
Where is that.
So should we keep the outdated equipment until forever to fit your idea of “fair”? Older “classic” gymnasts also had it easier compared to the gymnasts that did it before them. Don’t be bitter and appreciate how technology is improving and allowing humans to reach greater success
A lot of equipment changes are for safety reasons lol…it’s not “unfair” it’s one of the only things the sport has done right
@@lessika.5400 I understand updated equipment. The floor and bars just seem so extreme to me.
@@Iauren-kl6yu Thanks. I didn't see that side of it. I still think the floor and bars are a bit extreme? I could be wrong
Peng Peng absolutely nails the Homma Mount every time! I love watching her do it.
1:47 omfg that looks like it hurts
Mukhina did her flip on a hard floor, but now the floors are spring loaded, so the comparison is not equal.
2:45 she OWNED that
The produnova was definitely the best I’ve ever seen when her creator performed it in the second video. But some of the videos can’t actually be compared, like for example the tumbling on floor if the move was created before the floor was improved in order to provide more spring
I think vaults as well
Herbert Hickey you’re absolutely right
The first clips of Produnova are from 1999 Tianjin Worlds where it was named for her and performed still better than any woman since then, but the second clip of Produnova features literally the ONLY time any woman competed that skill perfectly. It was months earlier than the first clips at the 1999 World University Games.
I have been doing gymnastics when I was little and I swear- it is such a hard sport. Not only did my coaches start caring about weight when I was SIX but also the moms were crazy. They started buying warm and tight leotards so their daughters would sweat and feel hot during lessons, and thus; lost weight. As soon as my mom saw that she instantly pulled me out. Also the problem was the mass of injuries that occurred. I would bang my head multiple times while trying to do tricks (when I was a bit older, like eight) and eventually I just understood it wasn’t the sport for me. I gave up and decided to dedicate more time to ice skating. Do I regret going to those lessons? No. I don’t. Am I weak for giving up? No. I’m not. I just took a weak spot and removed myself from it, and put more passion and effort into something I actually live. And that’s why I always tell people: “Giving up and being conscious of your strengths and weaknesses are the opposite.”
(Simona) Amanar by McKayla Maroney definitely belongs on this list
I was expecting it and disappointed that it wasn't there.
Wss it also the amanar that monica rosu did at athens?
2:33 We miss you Elena
It’s awesome that they’ve brought so much more safety, springs and padding into the sport. But that’s what makes gymnasts from back in the day that much more impressive.
In the past, training was waaaaaay tough and painful due to the lack of comfortable equipments
Most moves where perfected and improved by the followers, but there are a few that no one can do like the original inventor and that is epic.
I would be the proudest athlete if I die knowing that my move was so cool, difficult and perfect that no one ever could ever replicate or overcome it.
the Onodi is such a beautiful skill!
Olga Mostepanova created the "Onodi" and we can easily see her perform it on any 1983 World Championships where she was the silver all-around and World Champion on beam!!! Tracee Talavera was competing the inverted stalder long before Morgan White ever did. Tracee Talavera also competed and created the flair long before anyone else back in 1980 at the American Cup and at the 1980 Worlds. The soonest anyone tried after her was in 1987 Svetlana Baitova.
That’s not fair to Olga the move should be renamed. It’s not like Nelli is opposed to renaming skills after herself she should credit the right people with original skills
@@Pastyovercoat I think Onodi was the first to do it from a standing position, whereas Olga did it as a tumbling series.
@@liukin95 well that’s kind of splitting hairs but I suppose I kind of understand
In Romania, we don't say "the onodi", we say "the mostepanova" :)
@@Pastyovercoat Mostepanova's coaches never submitted it because they didn't deem it to be difficult enough to be counted as an original skill. But Onodi herself called the skill "The Mostepanova" in homage to its original creator.
I click on one gymnastics video and now youtube wants be to become an expert
Nastia definitely perfected the onodi❤️
It’s amazing; she does it so quickly and smoothly that I can hardly see the twist
@@Elong. Yes! And her long, flexible legs just make it so smooth and satisfying!
No she didn’t
@@abbycollins2003 the thumbnail is amazing
No. She performs it very deliberately, but it doesn't quite captivate or flow like Henrietta Onodi. Onodi was a lot more supple and weaved into her routine. Liukin used it as a point getter. Too technical and robotic.
I'm so glad that the mukhina skill is the one on the floor rather than the one on uneven bars, that truly shouldn't ever be attempted by anyone
2:27 mocking jay theme from hunger games plays in background "may the odds be ever in your favor"...
Honestly I think the actual name is less important than the image of the performance. When I hear an element's name I don't think of the inventor but of the perfect performance.
Pak Full - Kim Bui
Amanar - M. Maroney (yes 2012)
Seitz - A. Mustafina
Layout Geinger - Liukin
Sheep Jump on Beam - Komova
Same goes for combinations
The Raisman
Whip Whip Double Arabian Stag Jump - Mustafina
Straddled Jaeger 1/2 Straddled Jaeger - He Kexin
2:51🔥js damn
In my creative writing MFA program, the department chair referred to great writers as either innovators or masters. Innovators are obviously the first to do something in a certain way, in some cases geniuses who think in a way different than anyone who was ever known before them. Masters are people who follow, and who use the newly developed technique to transcend even what the innovator was able to accomplish.
But aren't innovators, then, the ultimate masters, because they thought of it in the first place? Masters didn't think of it - the innovators did. Sure, the masters built upon it, but wouldn't that just be considered stylization in the end? The bar, as it were (and no pun intended), was set by the innovators.
@@mousenomiatadpole6437 My inpterpretation is that he meant one kind of artistic genius is an imaginative creative genius whose gift is inventing a means of expression, and another type is a profound visionary genius who uses established means of expression to say something no one else could think so say. One's gift is the invention of the technique and the other's is the use of that technique to inspire.
I love that a double leg catch turn (inside skating turn) was a HUGE wow new trick in Gymnastics just years ago, and now it's in EVERY competitive dance number lol
Omg Betty Okino's turns were and still are the best I've ever seen in gymnastics 😍
It's just amazing to me how unexcited the audience and judges are. Like, these athletes are performing a BRAND NEW MOVE and everything is soooo monotone.
3:00 | dancers be like; so an inside leg hold turn.....what’s special abt that?
Until the dancers try to do a dos Santos II, lmao
Olga Mostepanova actually did the "Onodi" first, like 5 years before Henrietta Onodi did it. I guess she just didn't submit it to be added to the COP? At any rate it's my favorite skill on BB! Beautiful!
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No matter whom perfected it, it was the one who invented it will always be remembered.
4:36 am I the only one who think it sounds like Nyaa~
I love the "slow mo reply" at 2:02 oh the same girl at the same venue but different uniform
After it happening again in the next skill at 2:27 I'm realizing they probably just stick to a routine and it's multiple meets
1:47 oh gosh i thought she was gonna go -smack- down on the beam
It gets tricky about the naming of these skills. Betty’s triple is in coupe which is easier than Sann’s in passe!
What does this mean? Looks like the same skill.
@@andrewhumphrey7429 Sanne takes her second leg higher than okino. Just look at the position of their knees
Gymnastics doesn't acknowledge the difference in leg position if it's below horizontal. That's why they don't specify the leg position, they just write (in the code) "free leg optional below horizontal"
they’re so very talented
I've been looking for a video like this for years. More of this please and thank you.
I have so much Respect for people that do this 🏌️ like my anxiety ass could never!!!! Y'all cool asssss frogs!!! 🥺✋
As always, new AND interesting. Thanks!
Who else can name the quad by the compulsory floor music in the background? Who else, after each piece was played the last time in competition, EVER thought it would bring a sense of pleasant nostalgia?
*raises hand*
This is so amazing that my stomach just hurts of emotion watching all these movements 😱👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The ending of the original Homma looks a lot more graceful. I know it is probably easier to end straddling the beam but the ankle cross and hand wave just adds a bit of flare
The creator of something is always gonna be better than the one who perfect it, because if it wasn't created there would be nothing to perfect.
Well as far as I know I still think Viktoria looks the best doing both the Komova I & II.
Angelina’s inbars are famously fabulous though.
As soon as I saw grigoras I knew it would be Sui Lu.
Melnikova's inbars are absolutely beautiful but she has the leg separation while transitioning from lb to hb. That's why I think nobody does the Komova II better than Komova herself
The fact that she did the komova with a half twist before the komova 2 just blows my mind
@@agent606 That's true. It's a shame that FIG valued the Komova I at E because of that stupid transition cap.
@@tanayathakur895 agreed. The komova 1 is so beautiful when done well.
Thank you for showing some of Produnova's other attempts. People get this idea that she always landed it as well as that popular clip, but she often had the same extremely low landings as the people who attempted it after her.
Bruh some of these would make insane entrances to a fight like u would just be like “yeh this fight ain’t worth it if they’re gonna flip in the air two times without stopping”
At 2:27 I hear the x files music 🎶 and it’s so funny with the slowmotion 👽
And the dude at 2:38 „uhu 😃“ 🤣
But seriously I have so much respect for all the athletes 👍
The wolf turn reminds me of backloading in figure skating...
Okay that triple turn is truly breathtaking
gymnastics is such an amazing sport to me. literally death defying. it’s fascinating to me… the limits they push their bodies to, the skill and discipline.. how could it not be considered a sport?!
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Love the Onodi. Nastia does it so beautifully!
And I get goosebumps whenever I look at the beam at gymnastics class
God same its always been my nightmare. I think it took me a few month to finnaly do a flick on it and that was going from a floor beam to the lowest setting on the beam with 2 big mats and gradually going higher.
02:00 I always thought this would be a fault^^
I'm not a gymnast but love watching it some of these makes me hurt like how can someone be so limber
Practice. I’m a dancer and although I don’t stretch as much as I should, I still am stretching multiple times a week. These gymnasts are stretching multiple times every day and doing drills and skills over and over till it’s perfect. Most of them start training before or around 5 years old and are spending at least 4 hours training a day (at the minimum)
1:47 First I felt fear, then I was amazed LMAO
I’ve always loved Henrietta Onodi, the queen of triple twists 👑
Rueda's skill is very similar to Korbut.
It is a variation of korbut just that you have to show a pike shape in the air which makes it harder which is why it valued as a C element as compared to the korbut which is a B
@@bryanthan9363 I was wondering what was different. Thanks for the description.
Rueda's is a piked Chen
@@juanantoniomoreno3409 thank you, I was about to make that correction :) The Korbut (for those that don't know) is a back handspring swingdown. The Chen is a back flip in tuck position to swing down. Rueda of course has a beautiful pike version :)
Me not even being able to do a cartwheel on a beam be like: *i- uhm- so- how?*
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These are amazing !! but they look so painful. Great work to then and now.
You should do a video on skills named after gymnasts vs the first to compete them.
Can't really say that some of these gymnasts 'perfected' a skill when they struggle to perform it. Abreu nearly sat down on almost every landing when performing a double Salto. I don't know why she didn't drop it. She certainly didn't perfect it though.
Practice makes perfect. Or at least progression? Quite a difference. Thank you!
Such kinesthetic spacial awareness strength and elegance wow
Elena is the best I can never forget her in my life she is my inspiration her story inspires me so i tried a lot n after 3 months I am perfect in thomas salto,roll-outs, and back to back tumbles
Honestly, no one does the Komova II (or inbar stalders in general) as well as Komova did, at least in my opinion.
Komova was the queen of inbars. Period.
These children are fearless, wow!
The Onodi is a beautiful aerial beam twist. Wow.
Me watching these videos religiously even though I have never done gymnastics in my life 🙂🙃🙂
same
Andreea Raducan and Schischova 🌟
I applaud all of them!!❤❤❤
I remember watching Raducan as a child........She was invincible in the balance beam category ❤️❤️