I had moved away from the Catholic Church as I got older. Listening to Bishop Barron on topics like moral relativism, finding meaning in life, the compatibility of science and faith and rejection of scientism, as well as many other topics brought me back to the Church. The Bishop is one of the Church’s great thinkers and evangelists. Word on Fire provides outstanding resources for further study. This was another great discussion, and yet another book that I look forward to reading. Many thanks.
I concur! I am a recent convert to the Church. Did my first Holy Communion on March 5. I Bishop Barron definitely had a Huge influence in my reasoning for joining. The more I learn about the church the more deeply I fall in love with it. Warts and all. I truly believe the church is perfect. Of course the people in it or not. I didn’t know who Bishop Baron was, and I had gotten a pop-up on Facebook. A book that he had wrote called Arguing Religion appeared and for whatever reason I decided to order it. I’ve been following Bishop Barron every sense. Plus hundreds of others. At any rate Welcome Home!
I’m 90 yrs old and have lost most of my friends and family that “speak Catholic”. When Catholic is spoken, the usual response is dismissive and treated As generational thinking..You know “Everything is different now “. My idol was my grandmother, an immigrant, who lived her faith with all its beauty and traditions. Gods way for her life. She was inspirational! Let us recapture the truth and beauty of that generation.
I’m 63 an I know exactly what you mean. It’s a blessing that you remember how your grandmother lived the beauty and traditions of her faith, and that you were able to follow her in that faith tradition. I appreciate that you use the word beauty, because it truly is a beautiful faith. We’re blessed to have Church leaders like Bishop Barron who expound on the fullness of that beauty. May God bless you and your wonderful memories.
Jean kudos to you for embracing technology at your age. My guess is that most people in their 80s and 90s are not taking advantage of forums like UA-cam but I could be wrong. I look forward to your comments at 91, 92 and so forth.
I’m 30 and I’m coming back to my Catholic faith. Frankly growing up, “religion” was like gym class, something no one really took seriously. I will be getting my daughter baptized and will teach her the way I wasn’t taught. I have friends who feel the same. There is hope!
@@johnclark1371 I myself am 62 and know exactly what you mean! Now it is up to us and those younger to not let our brothers and sisters forget. I am a Permanent Deacon and know that change is oncoming all the time. As we Catholics use scripture and tradition there is always room for the old ways "tradition". Always Spirit always Truth, Dcn Mike
Before converting to Catholicism I had tried to mix together a lot of Eastern and western religious and philosophical traditions in order to worship God. What I realized once I got to a certain point though, was that I was worshipping myself.
Same here dude. I learnt to eventually leave my doubts and fears behind regarding Catholicism and to just trust Christ's teachings. Speaking from experience, I can say a lot of modern 'religions' and Eastern practices mostly focus on control: I am the master, I am the authority, I follow no compass but my own. Like you I tried to 'mix' things together, allowing me to construct the perfect system, with no existential/spiritual blind spots. But that all gets too unsustainable to prop up on your own. There's a kind of simple beauty in surrendering to Christ. It was foolish of me to doubt it for as long as I did. But hey, that's all part the journey. Wouldn't have happened any other way. I'll pray for you.
Rustin Wilson rarely Catholics ever canonize themselves. Catholicism, canonize Catholics, idolize a person or something exists in all religions or faiths. Worshipping yourself is egotism.
I'm so glad that, one, Bishop Barron pressed the question of truth from the beginning, which brought out the primacy of the self for "remixed" religious practice. And two, I'm glad that Bishop Barron was quick to challenge the self as a viable metaphysical anchor. Dr. Burton grazed an issue that I think is extremely important: deception, including self-deception. Deception in general, and self-deception in particular, is rampant. Part of the importance of genuine communities with all their organizing structures is that they help to protect us from self-deception. This is crucial. These people going it alone are profoundly vulnerable to deception in all its forms. The cult of self that Dr. Burton describes reminds me of a kid from a dysfunctional family, who because of the failings of their home life fails to recognize that there are yet real goods made possible by that home life. Then because of a breakdown of trust, the kids runs away from home, determined to make a new life for herself depending on no one but herself. Such a child would be in a terribly vulnerable position. So are those fleeing from the Church, determining to figure out religious things alone.
I read her book “Strange Rites” after listening to the WoF show episode dedicated to it. It was very enjoyable and enlightening, a pretty deep dive into modern religiosity. I finished it a few months ago and I’m still working on annotating the notes I made. I definitely recommend her book and listening to the episode as well.
31:39 Bishop makes a great point, and further, the personalized religion for self-contentment shuns also the unsettling examples of the martyrs. Criticism quickly moves to victimhood, rather than mortification of the ego for the sake of suffering for Christ: a gift of great spiritual freedom
Very nice interesting regarding her pros and cons of her presentation. Personally, 85 years old, active in my Catholic faith, daily communicate with the Eucharist whenever possible I have b come selfish for detachment from the world. My comfort is in the Amnia Christi. Regarding death…when my husband died (a man of deep faith) his face was of Unspeakable Joy. Thank you Bishop Barron by mentioning discussing our faith at the family dinner table. I see this practice continuing in my children’s families.
"You created my inmost self, knit me together in my mother's womb. For so many marvels I thank you; a wonder am I, and all your works are wonders. You knew me through and through."
Clearly Burton is at a self searching stage in her growth. Her body language aeaks volumes. She reminds me of one of my former seventh graders who yearn for understanding of how this world works. Sadly her weak background in Christian experiences leave her open to any trendy superficial trend of language and false intellect. Conversely, Bishop Barron's loving patience offers a sincere ear to assist this neophyte sort out her struggling self-actualization frustrations.
*A Tara Isabella Burton Quote:* The value of Theology lies not merely in the breadth of skills it taught, but in the opportunity it presented to explore a given historical mindset in greater depth. To study Theology well requires not faith, but empathy.
@Chiyo Next DoorI also think our intentions must matter. So many times when I was younger I could never finish reading the OT. I think God was protecting me and those around me from the prideful intention I had in wanting to complete it. I wanted to say I had read the whole Bible so that I could feel like the big expert.
Thank you for this deep, rich, and engaging discussion that gets to the roots on so many of the most important topics that are typically ignored and even derided, yet are absolutely crucial to understand culture and society today. We can't understand the raging gun violence and convulsions we've seen in the US in the past few years without a deep understanding of where people are religiously these days, how they think, what they believe in, practice, and what they do or don't belong to. “Culture is the root of politics, and religion is the root of culture.” - Richard John Neuhaus
En la mañana de este jueves 2 de junio, la Oficina de Prensa de la Santa Sede anunció el nombramiento de Mons. Robert Emmet Barron como nuevo obispo de Winona-Rochester, Minnesota, (Estados Unidos). Felicidades. Dios le conserve en la sabiduría, en la acción de gracias, en la misión y en la Humildad. FELICIDADES:
... great insight: dynamic intuition fizzles out, don't take root without institution, & the institution without intuition will crumble; water without a vessel has no body & dissipates, a vessel without water is an empty vessel ...
I was always taught that a soul turned away from God and collapsed in on itself is in the state of sin. In fact what sin is, is the choosing of the self over God.
We can agree with the post-modernist and social justice types that we are in a fallen world and everyone's perspectives are biased because of sin. The point of disagreement is that they mistakenly seek to correct this by adopting the perspective of an 'authentic' self, but people of faith seek to correct for our fallen state by adopting the perspective of an all-knowing and all-loving god.
The allure of the struggle of the path to holiness adds the spice to life and doing it with the group forms the bonds of Love through struggle. Things like athletic training with the team or boot camp in the military mirror this. What are the Saints than the army of God who made it through the boot camp of life.
Among other things, the abscence of concern for the poor and marginalized in Greek and Roman society hadn't jumped out at me before. That's really interesting.
The reason Star Wars and Harry Potter touch us so deeply because at their core they are stories of good vs evil and remind us of God and us. The original six Star Wars movies take on a whole new dimension if they are watched as the redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Anakin is taken in by the lies of Emperor Palpatine and causes great destruction to his religious order and to the natural order of the galaxy far far away yet he was the one who was supposed to bring order. He represents the human fall at its core. He is looking for love and acceptance in all the wrong ways and from the wrong people. He falls to his passions and they greatly hinder him until the love he has still for Padme in his son gives him the courage to finally do the right thing and defeat the emperor. Harry Potter is also a Christ figure. Voldemort is the devil, a being who cares only about grasping power and conquering death, actually Palpatine in Star Wars does this too, anyway Voldemort believes that if he has the deathly hallows which gives death its power then he would overcome death and become immortal. To help him in his quest he splits his soul into seven (a significant number don’t you think?) pieces and hides them in different objects. Harry and friends discover this and go about destroying the soul pieces. Voldemort’s grasp and power and his seemingly immortality is a lie. Harry actually becomes the conqueror of death not by grasping at power but by giving it away. Instead he chooses love, virtue, friendship, and family which turns out is more powerful than any magic.
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you: before you came to birth I consecrated you; I appointed you as prophet to the nations." Jeremiah 1:5 "my being held no secrets from you, when I was being formed in secret, textured in the depths of the earth. Psalm 139:15 Glory be to Him whose power, working in us, can do infinitely more than we can ask or imagine." Ephesians 3:20
You had asked, given the basic absorption with being true to oneself, how to begin to reach them. I think it might be to make each person aware of being created directly by God and realizing uniquely who He created each one of us to be. Jesus told St Teresa of Avila “Seek yourself in me.” We find our truest self in Him. In heaven we will know Him as we have been known.
To navigate and to understand I turn to James 3:13 "True Wisdom" which is always pure and easy to find ways to understand this complex world, nevertheless the conversation is very informative and interesting.
As a closeted gay Boomer in the 50s & 60s, I had no choice except to withdraw into the self. At that time, there was no gay community, and the straight community , and of course the Catholic Church, and even my own family unknowingly sent me the message that there was no place for me. Not trusting, not authentically engaging with the community was a matter of survival. Queer bashing back then was as common as the "N-word". My father, mother, siblings would laugh about fairies and queers and then when they told me "I love you..." I would think, "You don't love me. If you knew what I really was, you'd hate me. In fact you hate me now, but you don't know it."BTW, my father was a, ahem, mental health professional. A couple of times he came home and said with a sneer-- had another homo today. My parents went to their graves with a kind of Don't-ask-don't-tell illusion. I didn't want to destroy that illusion. I was much more charitable than they ever were to me. I am also much more charitable to the church and clergy than they ever were to me. If people are abandoning organized religion, the fault is with the religions.
Such an interesting discussion with much truth that a society that relies on intuition alone brings instability. The funny thing is a few decades ago religious leaders worried to some extent that people would turn wholly to science for all truth, not spirituality. Now, as people focus on their own intuition-based spirituality turn any from science and religion . . . as well as other traditional institutions as they seek their own truth. This rejection of both science and religion concerns me.
In listening to the discussion, the philosophical issue seems to be that 'the self' is not the basis for or arbiter of meaning and value ie it is not sufficient, but it certainly is a necessary condition to find it. 'Self' here is not meant as ego, but however 'nous' can be understood in this metaphysical context. So 'self' here is whatever is/was/ or has been meant by the old term "essence" - that can get us beyond mere existential claims to personhood. There must be some metaphysical ground for however we make meaning and understand it that is not primarily social, cultural or religious. The problem of postmodern thought is the denial of anything metaphysical. So 'desire' is postulated to provide some ground for authenticity. However, the problem then becomes circular because the focus is mistaken or to use another descriptor, is fundamentally misplaced concreteness. If that is all we are is a bundle of desires, it is still 'ego' and there is nothing authentic about what distinguishes EACH human life to provide the implicit conditions for what can count as value. The internet is as illusory in providing value as are personal desires. The 'search' is what we have in common. But every generation must rediscover God for themselves distinct from religious claims . It is like the cave analogy . We find our way out of the cave and the chains that bind us through the search. But we don't go back without some vision of a higher reality . It is God who breaks into our world and sets us on a path to Truth . Then we are able to make the kind of discernment that provides meaning, value and purpose beyond personal desire, to make sense of disparate religious claims and provide a focus to order our life.
Very informative and eye opening. The irony is that author has simply broadened the definition of the New Age movement, which is all about empowerment of self. One issue that was avoided in the conversation was or is the trend toward diversity and tolerance in western societies, which creates the social narrative that we all have our own approach not only to empowerment, but to truth. Is this not the triumph of Nietzsche? Is this not narcissist?
... this 'trust' in your self is like the Cartesian trust of the self even when you doubt everything: cognito, ergo sum, 'I think, therefore I am' ... But we know the truth by dialogue, not by your self ...
I've not yet finished this interesting video, but i noticed that the bishop has been given a diocese by the pope. I'm very happy for the church. A bit less for the bishop, for it will be more difficult to be happy in this life for him, but too those who have been given a lot , a lot is asked. The video talks more or less directly and indirectly of this element.
This conversation is fascinating. There is a lot of nuance even within the self development space and I feel this conversation is somewhat one-sided. It's not all new age psychobabble. I work with women at a body-based somatic level doing integrative trauma work after many of them have experienced a deep "loss of self" due to trauma (often religious trauma). So I think a complete abandonment of the self to the "other" of religion can also be hugely problematic. A lot of what you are speaking of around pop psychology / new age / new thought is actually a bastardization of modern psychotherapeutic principles that are based in ancient traditions that predate (or went underground with) Christianity. So yeah...I get what you are getting at. And also, there's something you might be missing in your argument.
Paul s letter to the romans rings true at all times (Romans 1:18-25) as well as in 1 Corinthians abt the foolishness of God is wiser than man's & His weakness is mightier than man's
We complicated things so much by over intellectualizing language that we can’t seem to have a simple honest conversation with each other about the truth. People now analyze the words and the syntax so much they lose the overall sense of what is being said.
There is nothing to analyze in "words " - it is merely squeaks and squiggles. No truth found there. It is the reference and meaning -- the ideas -- that we ascribe to these that is analyzed.
3 people ( mostly 2), prattling on about... their selves. Their posturing and surface elements of religion. Selling books,,FaceTime .. who can articulate better.. and in the end..,
English literature may be one method of presenting a way of reading fandoms like Harry Potter in a manner that orients them towards a Christian perspective. The value in seeing the hubris of characters like Marlowe's Dr. Faustus, Milton's Satan, or Shakespear's Macbeth act as counterpoints to tales where the main character is there to triumph over evil. Then to place ourselves outside those tales to see how the larger-than-life stories can be used to learn how our own lives, however mundane, may also tend towards the folly of Faustus, the sordidness of Satan, or the machinations of Macbeth can lead towards small mistakes in our own lives. While casting ourselves as Harry Potter may be pleasant and we do contribute good to the world, learning the lessons of anti-heroes can help build some friction into our plans to remake ourselves into the best we can be. As I've learned from these videos, placing Jesus Christ at the centre of life moves my mind away from hubris. This allows me to focus on the lessons great literature is meant to convey while also giving me a solid direction in which to use those lessons.
To quote Forrest Gump “I’m not a smart man”. This lady seems to be on a high intellectual plane and perhaps needs to improve the way she communicates to folks like me.
Bishop, I am trying to be open and learn like you are, but it is so tiring to listen to this woman because there is so much word salad between the points she is trying to make.
I'd like to encourage you to reconsider your choice of words to state the same criticism in a more kind way. If you said "This woman" while knowing the speaker's name about my wife I'd be greatly insulted in my culture
Maybe you just aren’t bright enough to follow? Or not listening thoughtfully? Not trying to insult you, but your comment was rather ungenerous even as most people got something out of her answers
Are younger people moving away from traditional religion? Yes. Unfortunately they have picked up politics as their religion. Nietzsche was right... take religion from the public sphere and something else will take its place that looks exactly like a religion. America is as religious as ever, it is just moved to politics as religion.
i don't know why the format has gone back to having this 'third party' commentator in the discussion. these work way better with just B Barron and the guest, in back and forth conversation - it's more personal, spontaneous, and natural.. please return to it.
New thought was going in the extreme opposite direction of the extreme fatalism of Calvinism. You would see in in lots of post Congregationalist and Unitarian areas. Calvinism is deeply embedded in the American psyche even in the secular world. American calvinists saw wealth as a sign of moral righteousness. So new thought does the same thing by saying that not getting what you want is a sign of negative thinking. It a very dangerous introduction to occult practices.
I'm noticing that alot aswell. I'm also seeing like this obsession of self-actualization that doesn't seem anti religious, but kind of puts religion to the sideline. Like meaning comes from competition for its own sake. You have to get bigger, faster, stronger, richer, smarter, etc. Like I don't hate it, but it's ultimately shallow
57:50 “feeling like this is a sexual market place” is it a feeling or a reality? Do you mean the concept of people viewed as either sex objects or success objects?
I have to actually pat myself in the back for having endured this dizzying conversation through the end. Really painful!! BTW, can somebody please tell me what were this three people talking about, in a nutshell?
Nutshell: Try this. 'Nons' are non believers in God, not merely non believers in the God of Christianity or the bible. But pitifully most are fallen away from some kind of organized religion so have some kind of structured belief system that they no longer accept as significant to themselves personally . Yet the need to cling to something that has value or meaning as personal, is instead accorded to tarot cards or 'the universe' or nature etc -- whatever the flavor that spirituality has for them personally. So the debate is how these ideas are formulated and provide meaning without any truth claims. Ultimately it IS all gobbledygook then . Nons are creating or looking for meaning and value where there is none beyond their own egotistical, materialistic view of reality. Why is the debate important for believers -- because it is the challenge of evangelism. I am not quite sure why there is so much emphasis on the 'nons', except from Bishop Baron's perspective it is a way to engage them in dialogue. I think those gifted with the task of evangelizing, might do better to start with renewal for believers, those who go through the motions of a structured belief system but have not yet met the God of these beliefs because they have not matured in their faith. These are the ones who will easily become disenchanted and are ultimately the ones who will fall away . The real challenge of evangelism is to nurture the faith that comes as a gift so it can mature. Come Holy Spirit and fill the hearts of your faithful...
She is afraid of having any convictions very very deeply. I have found nones are very afraid of forming them about anything. I don’t know how they manage being in a state of constant impasse.
She’s not advocating for the religious trends she’s describing, she’s simply showing her findings about emerging patterns in society. Maybe listen more carefully and less defensively?
We have come to expect more from WOF than albeit well-dressed well-lit word salad. As Paul wrote in one of his earliest letters, Do you not know the runners in the stadium all run in the race but only one wins the prize? 1 Corinthians 9:24-27
1:08:00 I think this is a little too materialistic. While I don’t like the term “energies,” the spiritual world is a reality, which we confess as Christians in the creed every week. There is a sense that the non-affiliated are tapping into really spiritual realities, while serious Christians have our minds stuck in the materialistic worldview. I would suggest the podcast, recorded by two Eastern Orthodox Priests, “Lord of Spirits” to break Christians out of this materialism.
Jesus entrusted himself to who? 1 Peter 2:23 When Jesus was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When Jesus was suffering, he did not threaten, but he entrusted himself.. to the One.. who judges righteously. Jeremiah 11:20 But Jehovah of armies judges with righteousness; He examines the innermost thoughts and the heart. Let me see your vengeance on them, For to you I have committed my legal case. John 8:50 Jesus said: But I am not seeking glory for myself; there is One who is seeking and judging.
"Jesus was being insulted, he did not insult in return. " No Jusus told you to LOVE YOUR ENEMY, LOVE THE RAP1ST OF YOUR DAUGHTER. He told you to be an obedient Serv and to TURN THE OTHER CHEEK. He told you be the ANGEL of SLAVE MORALITY. He told you to don't live the live in this world but to save score points for the ANOTHER WORLD you never have seen. I have left this Religion of Slaves. I have left this religion of SLAVE MORALITY.
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe - just maybe - the issue is NOT that all young people that reject Catholicism are terrible, horribly self-absorbed people that hate the idea of rules and want to be their own God, but rather the problem is that they've heard your apologetics arguments, considered them logically, and rejected them as unpersuasive? Is there ANY chance at all that could be what's happening here? Or are we going to just keep talking like they all are acting out of various fundamental character flaws and/or are just too dumb to see they are wrong?
Of course there are millions of people like that and it's important to acknowledge it but data shows that countries like the US have notable religious illiteracy (specially among religious people themselves). Whether religious or non-religious the evidence suggest that most people are unfamiliar with the basic ideas of Christianity and most other major religions, from that we can assume that most of them are also unfamiliar with apologetic texts. And (let's keep using the US as an example) considering how there are still high levels of spiritual practices in America despite of declining religious affiliation, we can conclude that for a large porcentage of the population their spiritual lives are probably not guided by intellectual argument. If you reject Christianity because you find it unpersuasive then I think you're also very likely to think that witchcraft and astrology are also not true. I mean, I wish you were right and people based their beliefs and practices in solid reasoning, evidence and critical thinking, but I think the data shows the opposite. That's not to discredit or ignore all the smart people who know all the Christian arguments very well and still reject them. In the video they mention Nietzche and how they agree that he was an incredibly important and influencial figure and no one is acting like he was some sort of self-absorbed idiot who wasn't familiar with religious argument.
Bishop Barron has stated just this. He says just as Hitchens and Harris have argued young people into Atheism, we must argue young people into the faith. I think Jordan Peterson is doing this exceptionally well. He has atheist calling themselves "christian atheist" as he said on the Joe Rogan show. And he definitely brought me closer to my Catholicism.
I think you missed the point. First, I didn't hear anyone say anything about "All young people" nor did I hear anything about "...hate the idea of rules" or "...horribly self-absorbed." I heard very much the opposite. Bishop Barron articulated an almost desperate desire to understand the calculus that takes someone who is confronted with doubts about religion, so decides to disaffiliate yet still tethers to the concept of a Higher Power. The idea that millennials, having thoughtfully and logically weighted the pros and cons of a particular religious institution and found its teaching unpersuasive is far less likely. Many things are at play, all hugely complex. Long form discussions like this are the best beginning to get them back from the disaffiliated...
This bugged me as well. They didn't even bring it up. They're quick to point out that Christian denominations have to make their decisions solely based on what's true, but they don't grant that to the "nones." They trot out the outliers and pretend that represents most people who leave Christianity. There's the one that non-Christians don't believe in objective truth, that they want to go worship themselves, they fill the void with another form of superstition, etc. In my experience, your layman deconvert looks like Rhett and Link. Look up their videos if you haven't seen them. Most people that leave still have the door open, but they're just not convinced.
I’d add: allowing niche social issues to become the primary platform of the Catholic Church in the last half century has been a massive failure for generations of potential young Catholics. Combined with horrific scandal, the Church simply isn’t very appealing right now. This is tragic; the Church of Mother Teresa can and should still be a powerful force for good in the world. Instead, too often it can feel distracted.
The self is broken. Humanity is broken. "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God". The DNA of humanity was broken by sin. All feel this brokenness and desire to fix their brokenness and be their authentic self . Nicodemus understood this universal brokenness when he approached Jesus but didn't know the solution. Despite having God's holy Law from Moses and the divine revelations from the patriarchs, Nicodemus also understood, by experience, that divine righteousness could not be attained through works of of the Law. Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again of water and the spirit to attain this righteousness to enter the Kingdom of God. In 1Pet. 2:23 St Peter clarifies this new birth. "Being born again, not of corruptible seed (DNA), but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever." "Corruptible seed" simply means corrupted DNA that has passed upon all humanity and created a sense of brokenness (sinfulness) within the human heart. The epistle of St. John puts it this way: "12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Faith in Jesus and a new spiritual birth are the solution to man's brokenness and separation from God. First step in the new birth is : Rom 10:9 "[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Repentance and baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit come next and then the gift of the holy spirit is given by Jesus for our sanctification. That's authentic historical Catholicism in my understanding. May the Lord's will be done. Peace.
I really wish people would stop talking about the Church as a family. It’s really not. If you’re different, if you don’t fit the cookie cutter gender roles you will always struggle. In my own case it’s usually quite painful to attend regularly or to get involved very deeply mainly because there’s a constant reminder of not measuring up. I struggle believing that God loves me when clearly His Church and people don’t. I can believe that you would like your Church to be this loving accepting place buts far from it. The Church certainly has answers but not many solutions. I good example is a friend who reached out to me for spiritual help and I found NOT point him to any Catholic Church because he is gay and I knew he’d not be loving received by either the priest or congregants.
I do the same thing, it's sometimes hard for me to concentrate and give eye contact at the same time because I get distracted by people's facial reactions.
None of your business? She’s probably just shy or could possibly have Asperger’s. She also might not have a sense of where the camera is or whether she’s supposed to look at it.
I agree with 90% of what the author says here but I must strongly disagree with avoiding fandom as a potential path of evangelization. Many movies may be greater in their pandering than before but there are depths beyond this and every fandom has a history a culture and a set of values as any nation or tribe even such ephemeral ones do. Besides, most serious fans the ones deeper in generalky despise such shallow pandering as it is. I have been a part of many fandoms and studied many. If we avoid them, we risk many souls never hearing the Gospel. Now as with any missionary work we must be careful not to take on the deleterious and corrupting parts of these cultures, or to fall to synchretism. However, we must find the Seeds of the Spirit and foster their growth. Certainly they are rare sometimes but they arw always there and with the right care can begin to take root and germinate. Do not be afraid to venture into the wild if you can keep the Faith there and bring it to the ends of the Digital Continent and this Neopagan society. These are throngs of poor broken souls grasping for any light they can, they do not know the Light of Life, Our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Will you take up the mantle of His Kingdom and bring the Divine Truth and Divine Mercy to them no matter the cost to yourself? Will you do to these least what Christ has done for you and bring Him to them that they might be saved and forever be in Heaven with God? MayGod bless all who read this, espescially those called to be missionaries here in cyberspace. Through Our Blessed Lord and Savior of All, the Wisdom, Word, Mercy, and Peace of God, the Light of the World, Our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen. Lord Jesus, I trust in You. Amen.
For anyone wanting to go deep. Look into liminality as one potential way to see what underlys the yearnings of this desperate, starving, and wandering culture that knows it will die and hears only distantly the echoes of hope of the Lord. What comes next depends on what replaces the dying myth of modern man`s light of reason revealing all truth. It must be the Good, the True, and the Beautiful, that is to say God, Who fills this void, for only He can fill the God-shaped hole in our hearts. Our hearts are restless until they rest in Him. Lord Jesus, I trust in You. Amen.
I love my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. However, do you know what is sad? By the very nature of following Catholic doctrine, you subscribe to accepting that the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ did not accomplish what God had intended all along. God, without our permission, ushered in the New Covenant (His one-time sacrifice for sins that was enough to bridge the gap between God and us). “God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” 2 Cor 5:10. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only son that whosoever believes in Him (puts their faith and trust in Him) shall not perish but have everlasting life” John 3:16. We received God’s righteousness (right standing with God); He took on our unrighteousness. What an exchange!!! To follow church authority (Catholicism) who announces that you have all these requirements to follow to work your way into Heaven (sacraments), and purgatory (so you can bake a little longer before you get in)- simply tells God, “Your son’s death on the Cross was not enough to extend Grace to mankind”. The Vatican Church has absolutely no authority whatsoever. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, the life, no man comes to the Father except through me” John 14:16. Not through the church, not through a priest, not through a confession booth, not through the sacraments, not through Mary, not through prayers to “saints”- Eternal Life can only be found through faith and trust in Jesus Christ. That is the New Covenant- a new arrangement with Believers- established by God (on this side of the Cross). We could never do enough good works to get in; God made the ultimate sacrifice, initiating a perfect Grace to ensure we would. “For it is by Grace you have been saved, through Faith- and this not from yourself, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast” Eph 2:8. The corruption of the Catholic Church (do the research), and the massive (and I mean massive) cover up of Priests (who have molested more children than every other Christian denomination combined), and the corruption of so many popes (who are supposed to be infallible)- pretty much speaks for the error in Catholic thinking, along with pages and pages of other problems I could write about if there was space. Look it up for yourself- there are documented cases of horrible, bad and corrupt popes- who were sexually active pedophiles, ones who committed sodomy, and much more. They were pure evil. If at any time in human history, there was even one pope that did anything wrong (EVER)- just one thing!!!- the whole system is exposed as a lie and a fraud because the pope is identified as infallible by the Catholic church. Truth? Their history is horrible. Don’t fall for the Catholic explanation that the Holy Spirit overrides the fallible popes, and renders them infallible (a pathetic lie and an excuse for their deviant behavior). Can you imagine if we used that excuse for all our poor decisions? Absolute nonsense. The status of priests in the Catholic church is a disaster. One priest was quoted as saying, “Every priest he knows is gay, unless he has been told otherwise”. Other sources have homosexuality in the priesthood at a staggering 75%. The system is broken, and the Catholic Church is not God’s intention. Jesus had a different idea completely, and I will sum it up in 2 words: “Follow me”. Let go of the bondage that is administered and demanded by an “institution”, and rely solely on the freedom and grace that comes by simple faith and trust in “following” Jesus Christ. He will certainly set you free from an institution that holds your eternal life hostage (until you measure up to God’s requirements), because nobody has ever measured up. There is no purgatory; in fact, purgatory is slapping God in the face and saying,” your sacrifice and the shedding of your blood was not enough- we will add to what you did”. Scary theology people. Let me introduce Grace. God accomplished on the Cross everything you and me will ever need to IMMEDIATELY be in Heaven- by simple faith and belief. If you have been sitting in Catholic churches all these years, confused, never feeling like you measure up, totally lost in their doctrine (but hung in there because of family tradition)- please consider trusting Christ- and leaving.
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How come we have rich Cardinals and Bishops when Jesus taught poverty, how come we have so many fat Bishops and priests when 3.1 billion children die each year from starvation, answer that one Bishop Barron, you saying hell is empty is wishful thinking I believe.
She's dressed like a flapper, won't look up, and speaks in garbled sentences. I get a bad vibe from her. Bishop Barron, on the other hand, is as solid as a rock.
Friend, whatever your opinions are, it always serves you better to treat your interlocutors with respect. He isn't just "Mr. Barron"; he's Bishop Barron.
@@etienne-victordepasquale668 First: he is not my Bishop. Second: I'm not his slave. Not anymore. I have left this religion. Third: Respekt has to be earned. Didn't your Jesus told you that we are all equal. You see how you behave as a person with slave morality. You think this "Bishop" has be be "respekted" just because he has some title the chruch gave him. As I told you in other comment" the Christian Church has become a joke of herself. ADL has more power than all Christian Churches cominied. Why is this this case? Because you, with you I mean Judeo-Christians, produce slaves, who have been told to obey and follow the orders. The Church is gone. The west is gone. The western Values of Slave Morality are gone. Why is the west desintegrated? Because your Jesus told the people of the west to LOVE THEIR ENEMIES. I was a Christian for 35 years. I'm not a slave anaymore. I don't give a damn anymore about your "Bishop Barraon". Your church is weak. Your church has been crushed by your enemies because you DIDN'T FOUGHT BACK. All what you have done is TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. Friend I'm not a SERV anymore. I serve my people and not some King of the Middle East. I don't need a Hebrew God. I don't need a Hebrew King or a Hebrew fairy tale Book (Torah, also called Bible). We have our own kings and Gods.
I had moved away from the Catholic Church as I got older. Listening to Bishop Barron on topics like moral relativism, finding meaning in life, the compatibility of science and faith and rejection of scientism, as well as many other topics brought me back to the Church. The Bishop is one of the Church’s great thinkers and evangelists. Word on Fire provides outstanding resources for further study. This was another great discussion, and yet another book that I look forward to reading. Many thanks.
Jordan Peterson did the same for me. (As did Bishop Barron). These guys are incredible in what they are doing.
I concur! I am a recent convert to the Church. Did my first Holy Communion on March 5. I Bishop Barron definitely had a Huge influence in my reasoning for joining. The more I learn about the church the more deeply I fall in love with it. Warts and all. I truly believe the church is perfect. Of course the people in it or not. I didn’t know who Bishop Baron was, and I had gotten a pop-up on Facebook. A book that he had wrote called Arguing Religion appeared and for whatever reason I decided to order it. I’ve been following Bishop Barron every sense. Plus hundreds of others. At any rate Welcome Home!
I’m 90 yrs old and have lost most of my friends and family that “speak Catholic”. When Catholic is spoken, the usual response is dismissive and treated
As generational thinking..You know “Everything is different now “. My idol was my grandmother, an immigrant, who lived her faith with all its beauty and traditions. Gods way for her life.
She was inspirational! Let us recapture the truth and beauty of that generation.
I’m 63 an I know exactly what you mean. It’s a blessing that you remember how your grandmother lived the beauty and traditions of her faith, and that you were able to follow her in that faith tradition. I appreciate that you use the word beauty, because it truly is a beautiful faith. We’re blessed to have Church leaders like Bishop Barron who expound on the fullness of that beauty. May God bless you and your wonderful memories.
Jean kudos to you for embracing technology at your age. My guess is that most people in their 80s and 90s are not taking advantage of forums like UA-cam but I could be wrong. I look forward to your comments at 91, 92 and so forth.
Amen and again I say Amen to that. Wokeism to any degree is of the devil.
I’m 30 and I’m coming back to my Catholic faith. Frankly growing up, “religion” was like gym class, something no one really took seriously. I will be getting my daughter baptized and will teach her the way I wasn’t taught. I have friends who feel the same. There is hope!
@@johnclark1371 I myself am 62 and know exactly what you mean! Now it is up to us and those younger to not let our brothers and sisters forget. I am a Permanent Deacon and know that change is oncoming all the time. As we Catholics use scripture and tradition there is always room for the old ways "tradition". Always Spirit always Truth, Dcn Mike
Before converting to Catholicism I had tried to mix together a lot of Eastern and western religious and philosophical traditions in order to worship God. What I realized once I got to a certain point though, was that I was worshipping myself.
I had the same exact experience. I got myself really deep into eastern religions, realized i was trapping myself into my own ego.
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Same here dude. I learnt to eventually leave my doubts and fears behind regarding Catholicism and to just trust Christ's teachings. Speaking from experience, I can say a lot of modern 'religions' and Eastern practices mostly focus on control: I am the master, I am the authority, I follow no compass but my own. Like you I tried to 'mix' things together, allowing me to construct the perfect system, with no existential/spiritual blind spots. But that all gets too unsustainable to prop up on your own. There's a kind of simple beauty in surrendering to Christ. It was foolish of me to doubt it for as long as I did. But hey, that's all part the journey. Wouldn't have happened any other way. I'll pray for you.
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I'm so glad that, one, Bishop Barron pressed the question of truth from the beginning, which brought out the primacy of the self for "remixed" religious practice. And two, I'm glad that Bishop Barron was quick to challenge the self as a viable metaphysical anchor. Dr. Burton grazed an issue that I think is extremely important: deception, including self-deception. Deception in general, and self-deception in particular, is rampant. Part of the importance of genuine communities with all their organizing structures is that they help to protect us from self-deception. This is crucial. These people going it alone are profoundly vulnerable to deception in all its forms.
The cult of self that Dr. Burton describes reminds me of a kid from a dysfunctional family, who because of the failings of their home life fails to recognize that there are yet real goods made possible by that home life. Then because of a breakdown of trust, the kids runs away from home, determined to make a new life for herself depending on no one but herself. Such a child would be in a terribly vulnerable position. So are those fleeing from the Church, determining to figure out religious things alone.
I read her book “Strange Rites” after listening to the WoF show episode dedicated to it. It was very enjoyable and enlightening, a pretty deep dive into modern religiosity. I finished it a few months ago and I’m still working on annotating the notes I made. I definitely recommend her book and listening to the episode as well.
Thanks for the info, I'll have to pick it up and it give a shot. I enjoyed this episode a lot.
I can't begin to describe just how engaging and interesting this discourse is. Ideas so well thought out and expressed. Thank you
31:39 Bishop makes a great point, and further, the personalized religion for self-contentment shuns also the unsettling examples of the martyrs. Criticism quickly moves to victimhood, rather than mortification of the ego for the sake of suffering for Christ: a gift of great spiritual freedom
Very nice interesting regarding her pros and cons of her presentation. Personally, 85 years old, active in my Catholic faith, daily communicate with the Eucharist whenever possible I have b come selfish for detachment from the world. My comfort is in the Amnia Christi. Regarding death…when my husband died (a man of deep faith) his face was of Unspeakable Joy. Thank you Bishop Barron by mentioning discussing our faith at the family dinner table. I see this practice continuing in my children’s families.
"You created my inmost self, knit me together in my mother's womb. For so many marvels I thank you; a wonder am I, and all your works are wonders. You knew me through and through."
Clearly Burton is at a self searching stage in her growth. Her body language aeaks volumes. She reminds me of one of my former seventh graders who yearn for understanding of how this world works. Sadly her weak background in Christian experiences leave her open to any trendy superficial trend of language and false intellect. Conversely, Bishop Barron's loving patience offers a sincere ear to assist this neophyte sort out her struggling self-actualization frustrations.
Centering Prayer is the finding of the true self in God who is at our center.
Tara Isabella Burton is very impressive.
*A Tara Isabella Burton Quote:* The value of Theology lies not merely in the breadth of skills it taught, but in the opportunity it presented to explore a given historical mindset in greater depth. To study Theology well requires not faith, but empathy.
It requires grace
@Chiyo Next DoorI also think our intentions must matter. So many times when I was younger I could never finish reading the OT. I think God was protecting me and those around me from the prideful intention I had in wanting to complete it. I wanted to say I had read the whole Bible so that I could feel like the big expert.
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A wonderfully serious conversation well conducted, thanks All!
Congrats Bishop on the new appointment!
Thank you for this deep, rich, and engaging discussion that gets to the roots on so many of the most important topics that are typically ignored and even derided, yet are absolutely crucial to understand culture and society today. We can't understand the raging gun violence and convulsions we've seen in the US in the past few years without a deep understanding of where people are religiously these days, how they think, what they believe in, practice, and what they do or don't belong to.
“Culture is the root of politics,
and religion is the root of culture.”
- Richard John Neuhaus
En la mañana de este jueves 2 de junio, la Oficina de Prensa de la Santa Sede anunció el nombramiento de Mons. Robert Emmet Barron como nuevo obispo de Winona-Rochester, Minnesota, (Estados Unidos). Felicidades. Dios le conserve en la sabiduría, en la acción de gracias, en la misión y en la Humildad. FELICIDADES:
That conversation was so amazing.
Amen
... great insight: dynamic intuition fizzles out, don't take root without institution, & the institution without intuition will crumble;
water without a vessel has no body & dissipates, a vessel without water is an empty vessel ...
I was always taught that a soul turned away from God and collapsed in on itself is in the state of sin. In fact what sin is, is the choosing of the self over God.
We can agree with the post-modernist and social justice types that we are in a fallen world and everyone's perspectives are biased because of sin. The point of disagreement is that they mistakenly seek to correct this by adopting the perspective of an 'authentic' self, but people of faith seek to correct for our fallen state by adopting the perspective of an all-knowing and all-loving god.
"Know thyself." The anxiom of wisdom in the ancient world.
Everything He taught, through they who followed, was true.
The hope is their hearts are still calling out for God as it is written inside them.
What an interesting discussion. Looking forward to reading Tara’s book Strange Rites.
The allure of the struggle of the path to holiness adds the spice to life and doing it with the group forms the bonds of Love through struggle. Things like athletic training with the team or boot camp in the military mirror this. What are the Saints than the army of God who made it through the boot camp of life.
I side with the bishop. We live in a society without truth. Whatever we feel like is true for us. If I feel like I can fly I can jump out a window.
I gotta have this video on repeat. Smart people putting to words the world I've inherited is so so enlightening to understanding it
The heterodoxy we allowed in the Faith has caused great devastation and confusion.
This was an excellent talk, all three of you, thank you so much for this.
Go bishop
Fascinating discussion. Thank you for hosting this. Would love to see a conversation with a leading Atheist philosopher of religion.
Among other things, the abscence of concern for the poor and marginalized in Greek and Roman society hadn't jumped out at me before. That's really interesting.
Very insightful conversation.
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The reason Star Wars and Harry Potter touch us so deeply because at their core they are stories of good vs evil and remind us of God and us. The original six Star Wars movies take on a whole new dimension if they are watched as the redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Anakin is taken in by the lies of Emperor Palpatine and causes great destruction to his religious order and to the natural order of the galaxy far far away yet he was the one who was supposed to bring order. He represents the human fall at its core. He is looking for love and acceptance in all the wrong ways and from the wrong people. He falls to his passions and they greatly hinder him until the love he has still for Padme in his son gives him the courage to finally do the right thing and defeat the emperor.
Harry Potter is also a Christ figure. Voldemort is the devil, a being who cares only about grasping power and conquering death, actually Palpatine in Star Wars does this too, anyway Voldemort believes that if he has the deathly hallows which gives death its power then he would overcome death and become immortal. To help him in his quest he splits his soul into seven (a significant number don’t you think?) pieces and hides them in different objects. Harry and friends discover this and go about destroying the soul pieces. Voldemort’s grasp and power and his seemingly immortality is a lie. Harry actually becomes the conqueror of death not by grasping at power but by giving it away. Instead he chooses love, virtue, friendship, and family which turns out is more powerful than any magic.
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you: before you came to birth I consecrated you; I appointed you as prophet to the nations." Jeremiah 1:5 "my being held no secrets from you, when I was being formed in secret, textured in the depths of the earth. Psalm 139:15 Glory be to Him whose power, working in us, can do infinitely more than we can ask or imagine." Ephesians 3:20
You had asked, given the basic absorption with being true to oneself, how to begin to reach them. I think it might be to make each person aware of being created directly by God and realizing uniquely who He created each one of us to be. Jesus told St Teresa of Avila “Seek yourself in me.” We find our truest self in Him. In heaven we will know Him as we have been known.
Thank you for putting this together!
Great conversation y’all!
To navigate and to understand I turn to James 3:13 "True Wisdom" which is always pure and easy to find ways to understand this complex world, nevertheless the conversation is very informative and interesting.
With gratitude for sharing James 3 :13.
Great conversation! Much needed in this time of the generation.
This woman has good message
54:33 now Tara, this is an interesting topic…yeah crazy how people react when you go after the concept of liberty.
Tara Burton is awesome !!!
As a closeted gay Boomer in the 50s & 60s, I had no choice except to withdraw into the self. At that time, there was no gay community, and the straight community , and of course the Catholic Church, and even my own family unknowingly sent me the message that there was no place for me. Not trusting, not authentically engaging with the community was a matter of survival. Queer bashing back then was as common as the "N-word". My father, mother, siblings would laugh about fairies and queers and then when they told me "I love you..." I would think, "You don't love me. If you knew what I really was, you'd hate me. In fact you hate me now, but you don't know it."BTW, my father was a, ahem, mental health professional. A couple of times he came home and said with a sneer-- had another homo today. My parents went to their graves with a kind of Don't-ask-don't-tell illusion. I didn't want to destroy that illusion. I was much more charitable than they ever were to me. I am also much more charitable to the church and clergy than they ever were to me. If people are abandoning organized religion, the fault is with the religions.
You find God in yourself, and yourself in God. - Teresa of Avila
What’s great is when a group of selves get to together…and try to teach. 🙄
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Such an interesting discussion with much truth that a society that relies on intuition alone brings instability. The funny thing is a few decades ago religious leaders worried to some extent that people would turn wholly to science for all truth, not spirituality. Now, as people focus on their own intuition-based spirituality turn any from science and religion . . . as well as other traditional institutions as they seek their own truth. This rejection of both science and religion concerns me.
In listening to the discussion, the philosophical issue seems to be that 'the self' is not the basis for or arbiter of meaning and value ie it is not sufficient, but it certainly is a necessary condition to find it. 'Self' here is not meant as ego, but however 'nous' can be understood in this metaphysical context. So 'self' here is whatever is/was/ or has been meant by the old term "essence" - that can get us beyond mere existential claims to personhood. There must be some metaphysical ground for however we make meaning and understand it that is not primarily social, cultural or religious. The problem of postmodern thought is the denial of anything metaphysical. So 'desire' is postulated to provide some ground for authenticity. However, the problem then becomes circular because the focus is mistaken or to use another descriptor, is fundamentally misplaced concreteness. If that is all we are is a bundle of desires, it is still 'ego' and there is nothing authentic about what distinguishes EACH human life to provide the implicit conditions for what can count as value. The internet is as illusory in providing value as are personal desires. The 'search' is what we have in common. But every generation must rediscover God for themselves distinct from religious claims . It is like the cave analogy . We find our way out of the cave and the chains that bind us through the search. But we don't go back without some vision of a higher reality . It is God who breaks into our world and sets us on a path to Truth . Then we are able to make the kind of discernment that provides meaning, value and purpose beyond personal desire, to make sense of disparate religious claims and provide a focus to order our life.
Loved this!
Very informative and eye opening.
The irony is that author has simply broadened the definition of the New Age movement, which is all about empowerment of self. One issue that was avoided in the conversation was or is the trend toward diversity and tolerance in western societies, which creates the social narrative that we all have our own approach not only to empowerment, but to truth.
Is this not the triumph of Nietzsche?
Is this not narcissist?
Looks like people are looking for what suits them. Look for God not what what suits you, but how we can be suitable for God🙏
Super interesting. What an incredibly eloquent person.
... this 'trust' in your self is like the Cartesian trust of the self even when you doubt everything: cognito, ergo sum, 'I think, therefore I am' ...
But we know the truth by dialogue, not by your self ...
I've not yet finished this interesting video, but i noticed that the bishop has been given a diocese by the pope. I'm very happy for the church. A bit less for the bishop, for it will be more difficult to be happy in this life for him, but too those who have been given a lot , a lot is asked. The video talks more or less directly and indirectly of this element.
So great!!
A Respected behavior only door of his holly world or doubts only, and is spoil of present,
This conversation is fascinating. There is a lot of nuance even within the self development space and I feel this conversation is somewhat one-sided. It's not all new age psychobabble. I work with women at a body-based somatic level doing integrative trauma work after many of them have experienced a deep "loss of self" due to trauma (often religious trauma). So I think a complete abandonment of the self to the "other" of religion can also be hugely problematic. A lot of what you are speaking of around pop psychology / new age / new thought is actually a bastardization of modern psychotherapeutic principles that are based in ancient traditions that predate (or went underground with) Christianity. So yeah...I get what you are getting at. And also, there's something you might be missing in your argument.
Paul s letter to the romans rings true at all times (Romans 1:18-25) as well as in 1 Corinthians abt the foolishness of God is wiser than man's & His weakness is mightier than man's
We complicated things so much by over intellectualizing language that we can’t seem to have a simple honest conversation with each other about the truth. People now analyze the words and the syntax so much they lose the overall sense of what is being said.
WoW! Well put.
There is nothing to analyze in "words " - it is merely squeaks and squiggles. No truth found there. It is the reference and meaning -- the ideas -- that we ascribe to these that is analyzed.
Jesus told St Teresa of Avila "Seek yourself in Me.1Cor 12 "Now I can know only imperfectly; but then I shall know as fully as I am myself known."
Sound engineering is super sub-par.
Great video, glad she could be on.
3 people ( mostly 2), prattling on about... their selves. Their posturing and surface elements of religion. Selling books,,FaceTime .. who can articulate better.. and in the end..,
Without the God Man nothing is good.
I would agree with that
I think, thats how athiest does, ms. Burton in particular! She better discover herself, with a right mind!
English literature may be one method of presenting a way of reading fandoms like Harry Potter in a manner that orients them towards a Christian perspective. The value in seeing the hubris of characters like Marlowe's Dr. Faustus, Milton's Satan, or Shakespear's Macbeth act as counterpoints to tales where the main character is there to triumph over evil. Then to place ourselves outside those tales to see how the larger-than-life stories can be used to learn how our own lives, however mundane, may also tend towards the folly of Faustus, the sordidness of Satan, or the machinations of Macbeth can lead towards small mistakes in our own lives. While casting ourselves as Harry Potter may be pleasant and we do contribute good to the world, learning the lessons of anti-heroes can help build some friction into our plans to remake ourselves into the best we can be. As I've learned from these videos, placing Jesus Christ at the centre of life moves my mind away from hubris. This allows me to focus on the lessons great literature is meant to convey while also giving me a solid direction in which to use those lessons.
To quote Forrest Gump “I’m not a smart man”.
This lady seems to be on a high intellectual plane and perhaps needs to improve the way she communicates to folks like me.
I agree. I could not follow her.
Bishop, I am trying to be open and learn like you are, but it is so tiring to listen to this woman because there is so much word salad between the points she is trying to make.
Loved your "word salad" concept and how it adheres to the principle of "truth above all". Thank you!
I understood but it was very tiring to listen to.
I'd like to encourage you to reconsider your choice of words to state the same criticism in a more kind way. If you said "This woman" while knowing the speaker's name about my wife I'd be greatly insulted in my culture
Don’t take me out of context.
Maybe you just aren’t bright enough to follow? Or not listening thoughtfully? Not trying to insult you, but your comment was rather ungenerous even as most people got something out of her answers
Didn't Ross Douthat already write this book?
Are younger people moving away from traditional religion? Yes. Unfortunately they have picked up politics as their religion. Nietzsche was right... take religion from the public sphere and something else will take its place that looks exactly like a religion. America is as religious as ever, it is just moved to politics as religion.
i don't know why the format has gone back to having this 'third party' commentator in the discussion. these work way better with just B Barron and the guest, in back and forth conversation - it's more personal, spontaneous, and natural.. please return to it.
Is she Lutheran? I'm getting a Missouri synod vibe from her.
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@@iwasfrancisd oh... thx. Haven't finished watching.
New thought was going in the extreme opposite direction of the extreme fatalism of Calvinism. You would see in in lots of post Congregationalist and Unitarian areas. Calvinism is deeply embedded in the American psyche even in the secular world. American calvinists saw wealth as a sign of moral righteousness. So new thought does the same thing by saying that not getting what you want is a sign of negative thinking. It a very dangerous introduction to occult practices.
I'm noticing that alot aswell. I'm also seeing like this obsession of self-actualization that doesn't seem anti religious, but kind of puts religion to the sideline. Like meaning comes from competition for its own sake. You have to get bigger, faster, stronger, richer, smarter, etc. Like I don't hate it, but it's ultimately shallow
Are you serious?
57:50 “feeling like this is a sexual market place”
is it a feeling or a reality?
Do you mean the concept of people viewed as either sex objects or success objects?
I have to actually pat myself in the back for having endured this dizzying conversation through the end. Really painful!! BTW, can somebody please tell me what were this three people talking about, in a nutshell?
Nutshell: Try this. 'Nons' are non believers in God, not merely non believers in the God of Christianity or the bible. But pitifully most are fallen away from some kind of organized religion so have some kind of structured belief system that they no longer accept as significant to themselves personally . Yet the need to cling to something that has value or meaning as personal, is instead accorded to tarot cards or 'the universe' or nature etc -- whatever the flavor that spirituality has for them personally. So the debate is how these ideas are formulated and provide meaning without any truth claims. Ultimately it IS all gobbledygook then . Nons are creating or looking for meaning and value where there is none beyond their own egotistical, materialistic view of reality. Why is the debate important for believers -- because it is the challenge of evangelism. I am not quite sure why there is so much emphasis on the 'nons', except from Bishop Baron's perspective it is a way to engage them in dialogue. I think those gifted with the task of evangelizing, might do better to start with renewal for believers, those who go through the motions of a structured belief system but have not yet met the God of these beliefs because they have not matured in their faith. These are the ones who will easily become disenchanted and are ultimately the ones who will fall away . The real challenge of evangelism is to nurture the faith that comes as a gift so it can mature. Come Holy Spirit and fill the hearts of your faithful...
I found her testimony, "I Spent Years Searching for Magic" quite interesting and bizarre. They're talking about the type of person she used to be.
She is afraid of having any convictions very very deeply. I have found nones are very afraid of forming them about anything. I don’t know how they manage being in a state of constant impasse.
She’s not advocating for the religious trends she’s describing, she’s simply showing her findings about emerging patterns in society. Maybe listen more carefully and less defensively?
Amen
We have come to expect more from WOF than albeit well-dressed well-lit word salad.
As Paul wrote in one of his earliest letters, Do you not know the runners in the stadium all run in the race but only one wins
the prize? 1 Corinthians 9:24-27
Yes but don't you need all the runners to have one winner. We all need to be challenged..?
Who is the other guy?
1:08:00 I think this is a little too materialistic. While I don’t like the term “energies,” the spiritual world is a reality, which we confess as Christians in the creed every week.
There is a sense that the non-affiliated are tapping into really spiritual realities, while serious Christians have our minds stuck in the materialistic worldview. I would suggest the podcast, recorded by two Eastern Orthodox Priests, “Lord of Spirits” to break Christians out of this materialism.
Jesus entrusted himself to who?
1 Peter 2:23 When Jesus was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When Jesus was suffering, he did not threaten,
but he entrusted himself.. to the One.. who judges righteously.
Jeremiah 11:20 But Jehovah of armies judges with righteousness;
He examines the innermost thoughts and the heart.
Let me see your vengeance on them,
For to you I have committed my legal case.
John 8:50 Jesus said: But I am not seeking glory for myself; there is One who is seeking and judging.
"Jesus was being insulted, he did not insult in return. "
No Jusus told you to LOVE YOUR ENEMY, LOVE THE RAP1ST OF YOUR DAUGHTER.
He told you to be an obedient Serv and to TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
He told you be the ANGEL of SLAVE MORALITY.
He told you to don't live the live in this world but to save score points for the ANOTHER WORLD
you never have seen. I have left this Religion of Slaves.
I have left this religion of SLAVE MORALITY.
I wonder how much longer these academics can discuss sloth without naming it.
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe - just maybe - the issue is NOT that all young people that reject Catholicism are terrible, horribly self-absorbed people that hate the idea of rules and want to be their own God, but rather the problem is that they've heard your apologetics arguments, considered them logically, and rejected them as unpersuasive? Is there ANY chance at all that could be what's happening here? Or are we going to just keep talking like they all are acting out of various fundamental character flaws and/or are just too dumb to see they are wrong?
Of course there are millions of people like that and it's important to acknowledge it but data shows that countries like the US have notable religious illiteracy (specially among religious people themselves). Whether religious or non-religious the evidence suggest that most people are unfamiliar with the basic ideas of Christianity and most other major religions, from that we can assume that most of them are also unfamiliar with apologetic texts.
And (let's keep using the US as an example) considering how there are still high levels of spiritual practices in America despite of declining religious affiliation, we can conclude that for a large porcentage of the population their spiritual lives are probably not guided by intellectual argument.
If you reject Christianity because you find it unpersuasive then I think you're also very likely to think that witchcraft and astrology are also not true.
I mean, I wish you were right and people based their beliefs and practices in solid reasoning, evidence and critical thinking, but I think the data shows the opposite.
That's not to discredit or ignore all the smart people who know all the Christian arguments very well and still reject them. In the video they mention Nietzche and how they agree that he was an incredibly important and influencial figure and no one is acting like he was some sort of self-absorbed idiot who wasn't familiar with religious argument.
Bishop Barron has stated just this. He says just as Hitchens and Harris have argued young people into Atheism, we must argue young people into the faith. I think Jordan Peterson is doing this exceptionally well. He has atheist calling themselves "christian atheist" as he said on the Joe Rogan show. And he definitely brought me closer to my Catholicism.
I think you missed the point. First, I didn't hear anyone say anything about "All young people" nor did I hear anything about "...hate the idea of rules" or "...horribly self-absorbed." I heard very much the opposite. Bishop Barron articulated an almost desperate desire to understand the calculus that takes someone who is confronted with doubts about religion, so decides to disaffiliate yet still tethers to the concept of a Higher Power. The idea that millennials, having thoughtfully and logically weighted the pros and cons of a particular religious institution and found its teaching unpersuasive is far less likely. Many things are at play, all hugely complex. Long form discussions like this are the best beginning to get them back from the disaffiliated...
This bugged me as well. They didn't even bring it up. They're quick to point out that Christian denominations have to make their decisions solely based on what's true, but they don't grant that to the "nones." They trot out the outliers and pretend that represents most people who leave Christianity. There's the one that non-Christians don't believe in objective truth, that they want to go worship themselves, they fill the void with another form of superstition, etc. In my experience, your layman deconvert looks like Rhett and Link. Look up their videos if you haven't seen them. Most people that leave still have the door open, but they're just not convinced.
I’d add: allowing niche social issues to become the primary platform of the Catholic Church in the last half century has been a massive failure for generations of potential young Catholics. Combined with horrific scandal, the Church simply isn’t very appealing right now. This is tragic; the Church of Mother Teresa can and should still be a powerful force for good in the world. Instead, too often it can feel distracted.
The self is broken. Humanity is broken. "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God".
The DNA of humanity was broken by sin. All feel this brokenness and desire to fix their brokenness and be their authentic self . Nicodemus understood this universal brokenness when he approached Jesus but didn't know the solution. Despite having God's holy Law from Moses and the divine revelations from the patriarchs, Nicodemus also understood, by experience, that divine righteousness could not be attained through works of of the Law. Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again of water and the spirit to attain this righteousness to enter the Kingdom of God. In 1Pet. 2:23 St Peter clarifies this new birth. "Being born again, not of corruptible seed (DNA), but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever."
"Corruptible seed" simply means corrupted DNA that has passed upon all humanity and created a sense of brokenness (sinfulness) within the human heart.
The epistle of St. John puts it this way: "12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Faith in Jesus and a new spiritual birth are the solution to man's brokenness and separation from God. First step in the new birth is : Rom 10:9 "[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Repentance and baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit come next and then the gift of the holy spirit is given by Jesus for our sanctification. That's authentic historical Catholicism in my understanding. May the Lord's will be done. Peace.
Unjustified and spoiled kingdoms of past with historical evidences, and ask his world of soule and justice ? Is answer direct"
I really wish people would stop talking about the Church as a family. It’s really not. If you’re different, if you don’t fit the cookie cutter gender roles you will always struggle. In my own case it’s usually quite painful to attend regularly or to get involved very deeply mainly because there’s a constant reminder of not measuring up. I struggle believing that God loves me when clearly His Church and people don’t. I can believe that you would like your Church to be this loving accepting place buts far from it. The Church certainly has answers but not many solutions. I good example is a friend who reached out to me for spiritual help and I found NOT point him to any Catholic Church because he is gay and I knew he’d not be loving received by either the priest or congregants.
Why is ms Burton just looking down, does not look eye to eye with her company in her discussion?
I do the same thing, it's sometimes hard for me to concentrate and give eye contact at the same time because I get distracted by people's facial reactions.
None of your business? She’s probably just shy or could possibly have Asperger’s. She also might not have a sense of where the camera is or whether she’s supposed to look at it.
Why the lady doesn't look straight to the people she's talking to? Isn't she sure about her opiniones.
it's just a small little quirk when speaking, maybe just a bit shy I am assuming.
It's normal to feel uncomfortable in front of a camera. From her words it seems completely clear that she believes what she says.
The state of sin is causing the disjointed logic and sense of no center because they are cut off from receiving God’s Grace. Pull her out Bishop!!
I agree with 90% of what the author says here but I must strongly disagree with avoiding fandom as a potential path of evangelization. Many movies may be greater in their pandering than before but there are depths beyond this and every fandom has a history a culture and a set of values as any nation or tribe even such ephemeral ones do. Besides, most serious fans the ones deeper in generalky despise such shallow pandering as it is. I have been a part of many fandoms and studied many. If we avoid them, we risk many souls never hearing the Gospel. Now as with any missionary work we must be careful not to take on the deleterious and corrupting parts of these cultures, or to fall to synchretism. However, we must find the Seeds of the Spirit and foster their growth. Certainly they are rare sometimes but they arw always there and with the right care can begin to take root and germinate.
Do not be afraid to venture into the wild if you can keep the Faith there and bring it to the ends of the Digital Continent and this Neopagan society. These are throngs of poor broken souls grasping for any light they can, they do not know the Light of Life, Our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Will you take up the mantle of His Kingdom and bring the Divine Truth and Divine Mercy to them no matter the cost to yourself? Will you do to these least what Christ has done for you and bring Him to them that they might be saved and forever be in Heaven with God?
MayGod bless all who read this, espescially those called to be missionaries here in cyberspace. Through Our Blessed Lord and Savior of All, the Wisdom, Word, Mercy, and Peace of God, the Light of the World, Our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
Lord Jesus, I trust in You. Amen.
For anyone wanting to go deep. Look into liminality as one potential way to see what underlys the yearnings of this desperate, starving, and wandering culture that knows it will die and hears only distantly the echoes of hope of the Lord. What comes next depends on what replaces the dying myth of modern man`s light of reason revealing all truth. It must be the Good, the True, and the Beautiful, that is to say God, Who fills this void, for only He can fill the God-shaped hole in our hearts. Our hearts are restless until they rest in Him.
Lord Jesus, I trust in You. Amen.
I love my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. However, do you know what is sad? By the very nature of following Catholic doctrine, you subscribe to accepting that the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ did not accomplish what God had intended all along. God, without our permission, ushered in the New Covenant (His one-time sacrifice for sins that was enough to bridge the gap between God and us). “God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” 2 Cor 5:10. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only son that whosoever believes in Him (puts their faith and trust in Him) shall not perish but have everlasting life” John 3:16. We received God’s righteousness (right standing with God); He took on our unrighteousness. What an exchange!!! To follow church authority (Catholicism) who announces that you have all these requirements to follow to work your way into Heaven (sacraments), and purgatory (so you can bake a little longer before you get in)- simply tells God, “Your son’s death on the Cross was not enough to extend Grace to mankind”. The Vatican Church has absolutely no authority whatsoever. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, the life, no man comes to the Father except through me” John 14:16. Not through the church, not through a priest, not through a confession booth, not through the sacraments, not through Mary, not through prayers to “saints”- Eternal Life can only be found through faith and trust in Jesus Christ. That is the New Covenant- a new arrangement with Believers- established by God (on this side of the Cross). We could never do enough good works to get in; God made the ultimate sacrifice, initiating a perfect Grace to ensure we would. “For it is by Grace you have been saved, through Faith- and this not from yourself, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast” Eph 2:8. The corruption of the Catholic Church (do the research), and the massive (and I mean massive) cover up of Priests (who have molested more children than every other Christian denomination combined), and the corruption of so many popes (who are supposed to be infallible)- pretty much speaks for the error in Catholic thinking, along with pages and pages of other problems I could write about if there was space. Look it up for yourself- there are documented cases of horrible, bad and corrupt popes- who were sexually active pedophiles, ones who committed sodomy, and much more. They were pure evil. If at any time in human history, there was even one pope that did anything wrong (EVER)- just one thing!!!- the whole system is exposed as a lie and a fraud because the pope is identified as infallible by the Catholic church. Truth? Their history is horrible. Don’t fall for the Catholic explanation that the Holy Spirit overrides the fallible popes, and renders them infallible (a pathetic lie and an excuse for their deviant behavior). Can you imagine if we used that excuse for all our poor decisions? Absolute nonsense. The status of priests in the Catholic church is a disaster. One priest was quoted as saying, “Every priest he knows is gay, unless he has been told otherwise”. Other sources have homosexuality in the priesthood at a staggering 75%. The system is broken, and the Catholic Church is not God’s intention. Jesus had a different idea completely, and I will sum it up in 2 words: “Follow me”. Let go of the bondage that is administered and demanded by an “institution”, and rely solely on the freedom and grace that comes by simple faith and trust in “following” Jesus Christ. He will certainly set you free from an institution that holds your eternal life hostage (until you measure up to God’s requirements), because nobody has ever measured up. There is no purgatory; in fact, purgatory is slapping God in the face and saying,” your sacrifice and the shedding of your blood was not enough- we will add to what you did”. Scary theology people. Let me introduce Grace. God accomplished on the Cross everything you and me will ever need to IMMEDIATELY be in Heaven- by simple faith and belief. If you have been sitting in Catholic churches all these years, confused, never feeling like you measure up, totally lost in their doctrine (but hung in there because of family tradition)- please consider trusting Christ- and leaving.
Chill, Jeff.
Self oriented spirituality is not workable
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How come we have rich Cardinals and Bishops when Jesus taught poverty, how come we have so many fat Bishops and priests when 3.1 billion children die each year from starvation, answer that one Bishop Barron, you saying hell is empty is wishful thinking I believe.
She's dressed like a flapper, won't look up, and speaks in garbled sentences. I get a bad vibe from her.
Bishop Barron, on the other hand, is as solid as a rock.
I thought she was absolutely brilliant
Unfair. She's clearly on the spectrum.
Judel100 your point?
@@anneturner2759 Err, that she's probably on the spectrum?
Judel100 implying what?
Mr. Barron you have censored all of the comments.
Do you think this will boost your Judeo-Christian Religion?
Friend, whatever your opinions are, it always serves you better to treat your interlocutors with respect. He isn't just "Mr. Barron"; he's Bishop Barron.
Before you accuse someone of censorship, would you please consider that maybe UA-cam deleted it.
@@etienne-victordepasquale668 First: he is not my Bishop.
Second: I'm not his slave. Not anymore. I have left this religion.
Third: Respekt has to be earned.
Didn't your Jesus told you that we are all equal.
You see how you behave as a person with slave morality.
You think this "Bishop" has be be "respekted" just because he has some title
the chruch gave him. As I told you in other comment" the Christian Church has become a joke of herself.
ADL has more power than all Christian Churches cominied.
Why is this this case? Because you, with you I mean Judeo-Christians, produce slaves, who have been told to obey and follow the orders.
The Church is gone. The west is gone. The western Values of Slave Morality are gone.
Why is the west desintegrated? Because your Jesus told the people of the west to LOVE THEIR ENEMIES.
I was a Christian for 35 years. I'm not a slave anaymore.
I don't give a damn anymore about your "Bishop Barraon".
Your church is weak. Your church has been crushed by your enemies because you DIDN'T FOUGHT BACK.
All what you have done is TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES.
Friend I'm not a SERV anymore. I serve my people and not some King of the Middle East.
I don't need a Hebrew God. I don't need a Hebrew King or a Hebrew fairy tale Book (Torah, also called Bible).
We have our own kings and Gods.
So you’re a freedom fighter and yet you want to attack Judeo-Christianity? Hypocrite.
@@thusspokezarathustra5179 We’ve got a real GooberMench over here.
It’s hard to look at her, because her eye contact is very negative. Why does she always look down? I turned it off.