When I was in college, one of our professors had this wagon and I fell in love with it right there and then. Every time I went to our department I'd stare at this beauty in the parking lot. I love those wheels a LOT! Unfortunately, due to the rarity of this car in the US, I've never seen one on the road ever since. Now I can afford it but it's forbiddingly rare to hunt one down.
@@TechCarsTack för ett snabbt svar :) Köpte en 2005 Saab 9-3 sedan 2.0t aero med den 5 växlade lådan. Har du något tips om var jag kan köpa delar? Tänkte börja med interiören.
@@smoothflying Spännande! De är snygga! Vilken färg? Det finns väl egentligen två ställen. Bildelsbasen och Orios Webbshop. Annars andra Köp/Sälj grupper på FB. webshop.saabparts.com/9-3-gen2/interior-440 Finns lite nya delar där. Begagnade här: bildelsbasen.se/se-sv/Saab/SAAB-9_3-VER2/2003_2007/ Hoppas du hittar några bra grejer!
Thanks for the video. Nice car and explanations. I am the original owner of one, I baby it! It has 24,500 miles and is stored every winter. I use it very seldom and have had no issues thus far. I LOVE the interior upgrades!
Thanks for watching. Wow!! 24,500 Miles. That is amazing. Keep it safe and fresh! Yes the interior stuff is really nice. It's a bit expensive thought, but I did not buy all at once. Been doing a few upgrades every year.
Vor allem Exemplare der Baujahre bis 2003 machten den Haltern Kummer - etwa mit defekten Motoren. Bei den von 2001 bis 2003 gebauten Dieseln setzte mitunter der Turbolader aus. Die Mängelliste bei den Selbstzündern ergänzen undichte Kraftstoffschläuche (1999 und 2000). Bei den Benzinern gab es häufig Störungen in der Zündanlage (2001 und 2002). Bei Exemplaren von 1998 bis 2001 gingen oft die Anlasser kaputt, auch Klimaanlagen machten Probleme.
That's a great car. In fact there are the only two cars I want to own in this video. The Saab (or any Saab) and the Mitsubishi Montero parked in the background.
Lovely, seeing the state your car is in. I also have a Turbo-X estate. Were did you source the Hirsch trims? Or are they only Hirsch styled? Can not seem to find genuine ones.
Thanks for watching. I bought them several years ago from cardyourcar. I don't think they are available anymore but there should be something else close enough online?
Ride quality with hirsch kit? Smoother ride than standard? That is one thing I would love to improve...to make the drive not so crashy over small imperfections in the road...
Road handling is improved with the hirsch chassi upgrade. Smoother? No I'm afraid not. It was bumpy with the original and it's still bumpy. My previous tires were 225/40/19. I went back to the original size which is 235/40/19 and that did help.. But no, can't really say it's smooth :-( Then you should go for the aftermarket kit with regular dampers/springs with spacers. www.esaabparts.com/getpn.php?id=93001201
Hi Marcus . I have a couple of questions for you regarding your 9-3 X. Can you tell me more about the window trim ( I think you mentioned Cadillac DLS??). Is this a direct replacement or does it need modifying?. And where did you get the high level brake light from, Please?. Many Thanks. PS. Your 9-3 X looks awesome.
Hi and thanks for watching. If you can find a Cadillac dealership they should be able to source the window trim for the BLS Wagon. High level brake light was ordered through Maptun I believe. Part number for it is 12825344. BR Markus
Thanks! It do look a bit strange.. It was recently in for a service and the fluid was changed. Strange that they did not see that at the time. Need to take a look a maybe get a new cap. Thanks !! :)
I just went out and looked. Strange crack. Like there is a outer shell on the cap, the inner one is still OK. I just placed a late night order for a new cap. Once again, thanks! :)
Yes this is a common issue. The heat of the turbocharger melts the plastic overtime. Just like the rubber cooling hoses from the coolant resorvoir. Just replace the cap and your’e back in business😊
Vaš Saab je predivan! 👍 Ja sam prije puno godina, (još dok Saab nije doživio krah) htio kupiti Saaba 93, generacija prije vašeg. Nažalost nisam imao dovoljno novca. Utješio sam se s Volvom S40. Kasnije, kad je Saab već propao nisam imao hrabrosti kupiti auto zbog straha od nabave dijelova, servisa.. U međuvremenu imam već trećeg Volva, postao sam volvist. 🙂 Pitao bih vas je li danas na švedskim cestama još uvijek ima puno Saabova i je li švedski ljubitelji Saaba ne vole Volvo? Ima li nade da Saab tvornica ikad krene dalje? Saabovi zadnje generacije kao ovaj vaš izgledaju moderno i danas, izgledaju bezvremenski.. Kod nas ih je uvijek bilo malo, a danas su iznimno rijetki. Uvijek se okrećem ako ih negdje vidim. 🇭🇷🤝🇸🇪
That sounds like a really good idea! Next year is the big meeting in Trollhättan, any plans on going there? If you create a facebook event please share :-)
Spent about $1250 on new struts front and rear at 110000 mi on my 06 95. Now I feel I got gypped. Could have had the Hirsch package for a couple o'bucks more (hee, hee, bucks, Hirsch, get it? No? Never mind).
I've seen that the prices has gone up a bit. But with the discount (saab club membership) it was down at around 1300 Euros when I bought it a few years ago. Three years ago I replaced the front and rear struts on the OG9-5 2005 Aero. I went with the original. Exact same setup. Works great! ;-) I bought that new from a private ad, 500 Euros. That was a good deal.
I have the exact problem with the rear right damper :) Can you recommend me a kit? It would be great to have something higher and more comfortable. (Aero V6 XWD)
Guys can you tell what is the ride quality with stock suspension? I believe the shocks are so expensive cuz the car is at the same time very stable and rides comfortable. Am I right?
Har fått tips om en 2008 9-3 Turbo X som är till salu men där kamaxellägesgivaren varnar. Ägaren säger att det även kan vara kamkedjan som är blivit för lång. Kan man lätt avgöra vilket? Är dessa problem dyra att fixa? Du nämner att du servat fyrhjulsdrivningen, vad inkluderar det? Ha det gott!
Hej. Tack för att du tittar :) Det kan mycket väl vara så att kedjan har sträckt sig så pass mycket att bilen tycker att den är lite för lång. Läser man ut felkoderna så bör man kunna göra en sån bedömning. Om det är sensorn i sig själv som ger upp så brukar det ge en annan felkod än själva kedjeproblemet. Jag har hört att Maptun i Örebro gör ett byte till en kostnad av 20'000. Räkna med det. Att göra en full service på XWD systemet innebär tre olika oljor och även ett filter. Oljan i Haldex klumpen längst bak är ganska dyr (original). Men det är betydligt billigare att underhålla den än att snåla och sen köpa ny baxaxel.. Varannat år gör jag det. Hoppas det går bra :) Ha det gott.
i have owned 5 Saabs. One was a 9-3 V6. The weight of the engine made the front end plow and the constant drone exhaust drove me crazy. Fortunately it was a lease. My current Saab is a 2004 9-5 wagon, which I bought in 2008 with 83K miles. It now has 165K miles. Everyone who rides in it is impressed, but it needs a lot of mechanic parts replaced, which is normal, but costly
What’s the name of the kit u bought for suspension and all that stuff? My saab is having some issue with the suspension and at this point I have to change them all so it wouldn’t be bad to buy this one (she’s basically undrivible in the road as it this right now, it tends to oversteer randomly when u take a corner a little too fast, i think that the suspension are just gone and that’s why it behave like this)
This was some time ago.. Now I can't find it anywhere. The description is still there though. saab.hirsch-performance.ch/gb/produkte/fahrwerk/fahrwerk-9-3/f750004000/
@@TechCars thank you! As I can see it’s kit just for the turbo X AWD, unfortunatly mine is not of that model🥲 Just to know, it was just a dumper and suspension kit right? In this case I already saw one or two option myself Thank you again🙏🏻
Perhaps you should mention how much you've driven it in the last 5 years... 5000 miles? I remember when I drove "Beppe" to northen Sweden. With original chassis, it was just a constant pain due to the roads up north. Don't even wanna think about driving there with that new chassis. You'd need a kidney belt for sure.
It's true that it's not the daily beater. I think I have put around 18300 miles on it. I changed the tire dimensions back to 235/40/19. They were 225/40/19 when you drove it I think. The added rubber actually helped just a tiny bit of increasing the comfort. I have to agree though.. I feel everything in the road and I mean everything. You can feel just how bad they are. We need better roads so that everybody can enjoy a great chassis? :-D
@@TechCars Ah well, luckily we live in the part of the country where roads are not subject to frozen ground. Roads gets extremely beaten up by that. My ng9-5 with sport chassis is a pain too. Driving to my mother-in-law's summer cabin is a 30 minutes drive at 10mph :(
2.8T V6 was the best thing that happened to Saab and the introduction of Haldex, another Swedish company. Being allowed to raid the Holden parts bin and tune a naturally aspirated V6 into this beast is a marvel in its own right at 276bhp & 400nm all done in-house at Saab. 420bhp has been seen with stock internals with a ridiculous torque figure in excess of 600nm.. I had a LS2 in my previous car (ironically a Holden HSV) and pound for pound the Saab pisses all over it's 6.0 V8, although I will concede, not for pure sound unfortunately, still sounds good but nowhere near as good as an "Aussie" V8...(technically it's American) but I'll let them have it. Anyway, I don't know why people turn their noses up at these. I've had drivers with BMW 340i/335i/D variants wind their windows down asking me wtf it is or thumbs up as they eventually pull alongside, even had a C63 at the lights in dampish conditions up to 70mph. When I tell them they're astounded, mine is completely stock too. So before mocking you should try it, best car I've ever owned but also my most expensive to maintain! £4k in 2 years is taking the piss, I see people moaning about spending £1k on an M3, pussies! £££££ 😆💪 I hope you've not died after I've taken time to write this... 😂
Opel? You do know if you're trying to be clever it's actually GM. Opel, did not even develop the B284 or even the B284R variants found in the Turbo-X/Carlsson. So get back in your box and learn something before you post! 🖕 It's funny how Opel asked Saab for their 2.8T V6 to put in the OPC/VXR cars. Even the insignia is slower to 62mph/100km/h than the Turbo-X. Makes me laugh, makes me laugh a lot! 🤣😂
Absolutely stunning saab 😎💪
Thanks. 🖤😁
Awesome cars, so underrated by people who don't understand Saab....
When I was in college, one of our professors had this wagon and I fell in love with it right there and then. Every time I went to our department I'd stare at this beauty in the parking lot. I love those wheels a LOT! Unfortunately, due to the rarity of this car in the US, I've never seen one on the road ever since. Now I can afford it but it's forbiddingly rare to hunt one down.
Especially a Sportcombi! I just scored a sedan 2 days ago! :D
Years later an man that thing is perfect 😍
Kul att som en rikitg svensk SAAB entusiast titta på någon annan svensk som ocskå äger en Saab :)
Tack. Kul att du tittar :-) Skriv gärna mer om vad du har för bil och projekt! Ha det gott!
@@TechCarsTack för ett snabbt svar :) Köpte en 2005 Saab 9-3 sedan 2.0t aero med den 5 växlade lådan. Har du något tips om var jag kan köpa delar? Tänkte börja med interiören.
@@smoothflying Spännande! De är snygga! Vilken färg? Det finns väl egentligen två ställen. Bildelsbasen och Orios Webbshop. Annars andra Köp/Sälj grupper på FB. webshop.saabparts.com/9-3-gen2/interior-440 Finns lite nya delar där. Begagnade här: bildelsbasen.se/se-sv/Saab/SAAB-9_3-VER2/2003_2007/ Hoppas du hittar några bra grejer!
Absolutely stunning car, my dream car infact, one day I hope to own a TurboX ❤
Turbo X, dream car! I have a Ng9-3 TTID Aero today.
That's a very nice NG9-3 too. Ttid have great power and efficiency. 👍👍
Thanks for the video. Nice car and explanations. I am the original owner of one, I baby it! It has 24,500 miles and is stored every winter. I use it very seldom and have had no issues thus far. I LOVE the interior upgrades!
Thanks for watching. Wow!! 24,500 Miles. That is amazing. Keep it safe and fresh! Yes the interior stuff is really nice. It's a bit expensive thought, but I did not buy all at once. Been doing a few upgrades every year.
That thing has been taken care of amazingly holy moly that’s crazy love the Saab man
Your upgrades are very nice looking especially the door handle, carbon fiber trims, Hirsch dash board & etc .... Thanks for sharing !
Really love my 08 Turbo X Estate
Awesome. Take care of it! :)
Beautiful, would love to own one but it’s hard to find a mechanic for these cars
Thanks. It's almost like a regular 9-3. Or do you mean Saabs overall? BR Markus
I've just got one of these. 66k on the clock. Not many come up for sale.
Wow, wagon model didn’t be showed in South Korea and I love to own the turbo x wagon!
It is unbelieveable how we apreciate a car built in Sweden, on american automaker technical platform, with italian engines!
Nothing Italian on this beast..
GREAT VIDEO THANKS LOVE Saabs I used to have airflow 16 valve turbo 9000 with body kit
Thanks for watching. BR Markus
So hirsch rear wing spoiler and front grille was already bought with the car? :) that must have been very nice back then.
You are correct! Both the wing and the grille was already in the car when I bought it!
2year search and I just found a Hirsch rooftop spoiler for my TX estate...!
Congratulations!! 💐👍🎊
Vor allem Exemplare der Baujahre bis 2003 machten den Haltern Kummer - etwa mit defekten Motoren. Bei den von 2001 bis 2003 gebauten Dieseln setzte mitunter der Turbolader aus. Die Mängelliste bei den Selbstzündern ergänzen undichte Kraftstoffschläuche (1999 und 2000). Bei den Benzinern gab es häufig Störungen in der Zündanlage (2001 und 2002). Bei Exemplaren von 1998 bis 2001 gingen oft die Anlasser kaputt, auch Klimaanlagen machten Probleme.
That's a great car. In fact there are the only two cars I want to own in this video. The Saab (or any Saab) and the Mitsubishi Montero parked in the background.
Thanks! The Mitsubishi has been there some time now. It has a flat tire... Not sure who owns it :)
Lovely, seeing the state your car is in. I also have a Turbo-X estate. Were did you source the Hirsch trims? Or are they only Hirsch styled? Can not seem to find genuine ones.
Thanks for watching. I bought them several years ago from cardyourcar. I don't think they are available anymore but there should be something else close enough online?
I have one of these cars too. You have inspired me to keep mine and put a little more into it. What were the Hersh? Parts you were referring to?
Thanks. That's great to hear. Keep taking care of it! :)
The company is called "Hirsch". They made aftermarket parts for Saab.
I had one in my garage for a full detail👍
waiting for mine being ship right now :)
Awesome! Where are you located and where's the car located?
@@TechCars Southern California , turboX sportcombi is on the way from Colorado about 1300 miles away :)
@@lovediecastdetails2269 Bet you're excited now. Manual or automatic?
@@TechCars auro it'll be mt daily comuter in LA
Ride quality with hirsch kit? Smoother ride than standard? That is one thing I would love to improve...to make the drive not so crashy over small imperfections in the road...
Road handling is improved with the hirsch chassi upgrade. Smoother? No I'm afraid not. It was bumpy with the original and it's still bumpy. My previous tires were 225/40/19. I went back to the original size which is 235/40/19 and that did help.. But no, can't really say it's smooth :-( Then you should go for the aftermarket kit with regular dampers/springs with spacers. www.esaabparts.com/getpn.php?id=93001201
if they had turbo x wagons in the US i would scoop one up sooooo quick
But you do? There are TurboX wagons in the US :)
SaabCars technically yes. however they’re basically the rarest thing known to man
@@guffbear3000 Yes they are rare! Probably the best is to be in the TurboX FB Group. People tend to look for buyers there since it's a special car.
The great legand👍!
Hi Marcus . I have a couple of questions for you regarding your 9-3 X. Can you tell me more about the window trim ( I think you mentioned Cadillac DLS??). Is this a direct replacement or does it need modifying?. And where did you get the high level brake light from, Please?. Many Thanks. PS. Your 9-3 X looks awesome.
Hi and thanks for watching. If you can find a Cadillac dealership they should be able to source the window trim for the BLS Wagon. High level brake light was ordered through Maptun I believe. Part number for it is 12825344. BR Markus
Very nice example! Please keep it in this shape. And i noticed your brake fluid cap is cracked?
Thanks! It do look a bit strange.. It was recently in for a service and the fluid was changed. Strange that they did not see that at the time. Need to take a look a maybe get a new cap. Thanks !! :)
I just went out and looked. Strange crack. Like there is a outer shell on the cap, the inner one is still OK. I just placed a late night order for a new cap. Once again, thanks! :)
Yes this is a common issue. The heat of the turbocharger melts the plastic overtime. Just like the rubber cooling hoses from the coolant resorvoir. Just replace the cap and your’e back in business😊
My Dreams car
Vaš Saab je predivan! 👍 Ja sam prije puno godina, (još dok Saab nije doživio krah) htio kupiti Saaba 93, generacija prije vašeg. Nažalost nisam imao dovoljno novca. Utješio sam se s Volvom S40. Kasnije, kad je Saab već propao nisam imao hrabrosti kupiti auto zbog straha od nabave dijelova, servisa.. U međuvremenu imam već trećeg Volva, postao sam volvist. 🙂
Pitao bih vas je li danas na švedskim cestama još uvijek ima puno Saabova i je li švedski ljubitelji Saaba ne vole Volvo? Ima li nade da Saab tvornica ikad krene dalje? Saabovi zadnje generacije kao ovaj vaš izgledaju moderno i danas, izgledaju bezvremenski.. Kod nas ih je uvijek bilo malo, a danas su iznimno rijetki. Uvijek se okrećem ako ih negdje vidim.
🇭🇷🤝🇸🇪
I like the grayed out grill. Is that standard?
Yes that is standard on the TurboX 👍
Any interest in an European TX owners meeting? We're thinking in organizing one in the Netherlands...
That sounds like a really good idea! Next year is the big meeting in Trollhättan, any plans on going there? If you create a facebook event please share :-)
Om du någon dag går i säljartankar, så är jag intresserad ;-)
Any recommended links on where to source the leather door handles? And trim?
Hey! Try and contact these guys, tunstyle.eu/interior-parts/132-hirsch-style-door-handle-leather-set-plus-saab-9-3.html
Spent about $1250 on new struts front and rear at 110000 mi on my 06 95. Now I feel I got gypped. Could have had the Hirsch package for a couple o'bucks more (hee, hee, bucks, Hirsch, get it? No? Never mind).
I've seen that the prices has gone up a bit. But with the discount (saab club membership) it was down at around 1300 Euros when I bought it a few years ago. Three years ago I replaced the front and rear struts on the OG9-5 2005 Aero. I went with the original. Exact same setup. Works great! ;-) I bought that new from a private ad, 500 Euros. That was a good deal.
I have the exact problem with the rear right damper :) Can you recommend me a kit? It would be great to have something higher and more comfortable. (Aero V6 XWD)
I went with the Hirsch kit. If you want to avoid that this is probaly a way forward :) www.esaabparts.com/saab/parts/93001305
@@TechCars Thank you!
Guys can you tell what is the ride quality with stock suspension? I believe the shocks are so expensive cuz the car is at the same time very stable and rides comfortable. Am I right?
Har fått tips om en 2008 9-3 Turbo X som är till salu men där kamaxellägesgivaren varnar. Ägaren säger att det även kan vara kamkedjan som är blivit för lång. Kan man lätt avgöra vilket? Är dessa problem dyra att fixa?
Du nämner att du servat fyrhjulsdrivningen, vad inkluderar det?
Ha det gott!
Hej. Tack för att du tittar :) Det kan mycket väl vara så att kedjan har sträckt sig så pass mycket att bilen tycker att den är lite för lång. Läser man ut felkoderna så bör man kunna göra en sån bedömning. Om det är sensorn i sig själv som ger upp så brukar det ge en annan felkod än själva kedjeproblemet. Jag har hört att Maptun i Örebro gör ett byte till en kostnad av 20'000. Räkna med det. Att göra en full service på XWD systemet innebär tre olika oljor och även ett filter. Oljan i Haldex klumpen längst bak är ganska dyr (original). Men det är betydligt billigare att underhålla den än att snåla och sen köpa ny baxaxel.. Varannat år gör jag det. Hoppas det går bra :) Ha det gott.
i have owned 5 Saabs. One was a 9-3 V6. The weight of the engine made the front end plow and the constant drone exhaust drove me crazy. Fortunately it was a lease. My current Saab is a 2004 9-5 wagon, which I bought in 2008 with 83K miles. It now has 165K miles. Everyone who rides in it is impressed, but it needs a lot of mechanic parts replaced, which is normal, but costly
Totally agree on the drone.. it can be a bit annoying. og9-5 2004 is a fanastic car even today, 2021!
Nice car bro..
Thanks mate. 😊👍
jag ägde mi i 12 år...la mesta pengar på motorn...ja vanlig uppgradering från maptun...men då blev bilen roligare...sålde den i somras....
What’s the name of the kit u bought for suspension and all that stuff? My saab is having some issue with the suspension and at this point I have to change them all so it wouldn’t be bad to buy this one (she’s basically undrivible in the road as it this right now, it tends to oversteer randomly when u take a corner a little too fast, i think that the suspension are just gone and that’s why it behave like this)
This was some time ago.. Now I can't find it anywhere. The description is still there though. saab.hirsch-performance.ch/gb/produkte/fahrwerk/fahrwerk-9-3/f750004000/
@@TechCars thank you! As I can see it’s kit just for the turbo X AWD, unfortunatly mine is not of that model🥲
Just to know, it was just a dumper and suspension kit right? In this case I already saw one or two option myself
Thank you again🙏🏻
@@andrewd.6072 Maybe this can help you in the right direction? www.esaabparts.com/viewparts.php?searchpart=1§ion=57779999
@@TechCars thanks! Another question, where did you buy that tail light for the sport combi? I would need a new one too and that one looks very clean!
@@andrewd.6072 Do you mean the spoiler?
Which oil do you use?
Castrol Edge 5w-30 :) And you?
@@TechCars Mobil 1 0w40 but i am thinking to go with regular GM 5W30 dexos 2???
That is also a great choice. I use that on the og9-5. 👍👍
Perhaps you should mention how much you've driven it in the last 5 years... 5000 miles?
I remember when I drove "Beppe" to northen Sweden. With original chassis, it was just a constant pain due to the roads up north. Don't even wanna think about driving there with that new chassis. You'd need a kidney belt for sure.
It's true that it's not the daily beater. I think I have put around 18300 miles on it. I changed the tire dimensions back to 235/40/19. They were 225/40/19 when you drove it I think. The added rubber actually helped just a tiny bit of increasing the comfort. I have to agree though.. I feel everything in the road and I mean everything. You can feel just how bad they are. We need better roads so that everybody can enjoy a great chassis? :-D
@@TechCars Ah well, luckily we live in the part of the country where roads are not subject to frozen ground. Roads gets extremely beaten up by that.
My ng9-5 with sport chassis is a pain too. Driving to my mother-in-law's summer cabin is a 30 minutes drive at 10mph :(
Тут мотор уже от GM а именно GM и погубила saab
I have one for sale 9.3 V6 Aero FWD, manual, 132.000km. Europe
saab 👍
GM saabs make me sick 😔
I do hope that you survive! 😁👍
@@TechCars Thanks mate i love all Scandinavian made cars but hate gm so much !!😏 greetings from Norge 👍
2.8T V6 was the best thing that happened to Saab and the introduction of Haldex, another Swedish company. Being allowed to raid the Holden parts bin and tune a naturally aspirated V6 into this beast is a marvel in its own right at 276bhp & 400nm all done in-house at Saab. 420bhp has been seen with stock internals with a ridiculous torque figure in excess of 600nm.. I had a LS2 in my previous car (ironically a Holden HSV) and pound for pound the Saab pisses all over it's 6.0 V8, although I will concede, not for pure sound unfortunately, still sounds good but nowhere near as good as an "Aussie" V8...(technically it's American) but I'll let them have it. Anyway, I don't know why people turn their noses up at these. I've had drivers with BMW 340i/335i/D variants wind their windows down asking me wtf it is or thumbs up as they eventually pull alongside, even had a C63 at the lights in dampish conditions up to 70mph. When I tell them they're astounded, mine is completely stock too. So before mocking you should try it, best car I've ever owned but also my most expensive to maintain! £4k in 2 years is taking the piss, I see people moaning about spending £1k on an M3, pussies! £££££ 😆💪 I hope you've not died after I've taken time to write this... 😂
Was wollt ihr damit, dürft doch nicht schnell fahren im Micky Maus Land
Auto? gross...
Opel
😂🤣😉
Opel? You do know if you're trying to be clever it's actually GM. Opel, did not even develop the B284 or even the B284R variants found in the Turbo-X/Carlsson. So get back in your box and learn something before you post! 🖕 It's funny how Opel asked Saab for their 2.8T V6 to put in the OPC/VXR cars. Even the insignia is slower to 62mph/100km/h than the Turbo-X. Makes me laugh, makes me laugh a lot! 🤣😂
Rob Hamilton ich fahre 9000 Turbo 2,3 und bin Saab Mechaniker du Pommes Gesicht
SaabCars Opel vectra gm hat Saab kaputt gemacht, Motorschäden hat es bei Saab kaum gegeben
Yes. There is a time before and after gm. I like the pre gm cars very much. The 9000 isn't that a project together with fiat?