IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: Hey everyone! Hope you enjoy this conversation with a brilliant lawyer with amazing insight from the courtroom! Please remember: none of these comments are of a predictive nature! We are simply commenting on behaviors and what they COULD mean/ are likely to mean. But there are 3 major reasons this does not allow us to predict the outcome of the trial. 1) we’re analyzing key moments. These isolated moments do not necessarily reflect the overall opinion. Remember, this is a defamation trial, they don’t have to believe Johnny hit her everytime she says he did, they only have to believe he hit her once. 2) averting eye contact and turning away can be a sign of disbelief but it can also be a sign of discomfort, so it can very well be they are buying her story and are just really uncomfortable looking at her tell it. 3) they don’t all have to believe her. It’s possible for just a few to believe her and persuade the others. Neither Rob nor I claim to know what the verdict will be nor do we claim to know the details of what happened between Johnny and Amber during every altercation. We’re just pointing out behavior patterns. That’s all. This can go either way. Thanks for watching 🤗
How do the jurors not get sick of Amber's attorney's asking witnesses the same question over and over? I get frustrated as an observer when they keep badgering a witness with the same question repeatedly.
Theory: she favours D & E because they're female, yes. But also because, since they're wearing masks, she can't read their faces. And she takes this blankness as a positive. Instead of rightly thinking "hm, I don't know how they feel about me," she ASSUMES they're smiling at her and pouting when she "cries." She's a narc, so her assumption that people like/love her is just part of her everyday routine.
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I had a lawyer like Camille. It is agonizing sitting there with no voice, listening to the other person lying and trying to play victim.. having my lawyer get angry for me. Catch him in lies. Shut him down... I felt safe. It was so satisfying hearing someone else finally say the things I couldn't.
Same! Having an attorney that knows the truth and truly defends you like no one else has is a moment for survivors is such a great way to begin to deal with abuse.
@People Person I'm so sorry to hear that. Honestly, I did get lucky. I'd been to court with him a few times. He had the money, I didn't so taking me to court was a good way to start creating a paper trail (we have a kid together so that's why we had to go so much. I just wanted to be left alone). The first lawyer in the last case I got left me out to dry, but thankfully she was able to represent me for the remainder. I hope you don't have to go through that again... Some people don't realize how terrifying it is to be up there, being grilled like that, even when you're telling the truth... You go blank. You panic. I can remember my kid's dad making those same smirks as amber. Faking those same tears on the stand. It's infuriating, but you also feel powerless. Especially if that person has the power to convince everyone else that they are right and you are wrong .. I know my response is long. I'm sorry. I only say it to show that even though I was lucky with my lawyer, I didn't always have that support so I do empathize with your experience
"Camille sees something in Johnny that she wants to protect", and "she see's something in Amber that she wants to expose". Absolutely brilliant assertions. Extremely well said.
Those photos that Amber insisted on taking of Johnny when she claimed he was " passed out " from drugs or alcohol ( but actually he could have been passed out from exhaustion from working all day on a movie & then having to deal with her), but even if he was " passed out " from substance abuse, these photos do NOT make him look like the drug & alcohol crazed " monster " she was hoping. Instead in these photos , Johhny looks so vulnerable & all I feel is sadness that someone who was supposed to love him so much, took photos of him in such vulnerable postions.
Exactly this. If she really loved him, she would be trying to help and protect him, not taking pictures without his consent to show people what a bad person he is.
It is disgusting to take these types of demeaning and vulnerable pictures. It also allowed her to create any narrative or claims she wanted. She took these type of pictures to hold over his head or get what she wanted. To me, those kinds of things show she had a "contingency plan", just in case he didn't want to put up with her behavior. Rejection & abandonment are the worst things you can do to a person like Amber. He was going to pay, if he ever wanted out... literally and figuritivly.
Attys coach witnesses to answer directly to the jury. The witness should never answer to the atty at that podium because the atty is not going to be the one who forms the final decision. The jury is.
@@donaholmes Yeah, so all the more reason for her to stop trying to manipulate them in her favor. Pro-Ambers keep trying to use this argument and it still doesn't make sense.
When you said that Camille is "Johnny Depp's voice," I got so emotional. To have a woman defending him in this atrocity is probably so important to him.
When they said Camille was his sword and shield, it reminded me how she looked in a white suit, literally like an Angel ready to defend Johnny. Also love how she’s soft spoken just like him, but she is in a position to stand up in a way Johnny couldn’t do on his own.
Listening to you talking about Camille - as a woman, this is personal for a lot of women. We loathe women who lie at this level over these kinds of abuse, because too many women are genuinely abused, sexually, verbally and physically. If Amber is lying or exaggerating for a win, it makes it a thousand and more times more difficult for genuine cases to be heard and believed.
So I don’t know if she got to pick her lawyers of not… but her home owners insurance paid the bills. Also I found out AHs lawyers are very good negotiation lawyers who specialize in defamation… so they have little to zero trial experience because they usually settle before trial… that’s very telling. Her case was so bad the best lawyers in the country who settle cases outside of trial couldn’t even come close to making that happen.
They are sure not worth $6000000 in fees. I can’t even stand the female layers voice. AH is nuttier than squirrel shit….who poops on their husband’s bed? Any bed? That was just doing gross 🤮 and she’s created this havoc on her life. I was domestically abused, no way would I antagonize him or call him a baby, tell him to suck my “d..ck”, that’s just not what someone that’s been beaten by a man does. Amber was charged with spousal abuse in her last marriage to a woman (no judgements there) and had it removed from her record.
The story of Johnny giving Camille a big hug after day 1 of cross-examination and her breaking down into tears and the whole "Camille see's something in Johnny that she wants to protect and she see's something in Amber that she wants to expose.", that choked me up and made my eyes swell a little bit. This has been a long time coming and Johnny finally got vindication.
Can you imagine what the world would know if we had to rely on mainstream media for information about the trial? Having the trial televised has shown how bad mainstream media is. For some reason mainstream media continues to take Amber's side. The coverage of this trial has made it clear that mainstream media doesn't care about the truth. Fortunately we don't need the mainstream media to learn what happened. Thank you Judge A.
Judge A wanted complete transparency for this case which was of great interest to millions of people, many from foreign lands. Each person could make up their own mind and not depend upon mainstream media, social media, or written witness depositions that could have been carefully prepared or even edited by a third person.
I’m so grateful…. Imagine how much we could have missed if we couldn’t see her expressions and the fury in her eyes and her ridiculous body language and copying of his clothing.
Exactly ⚘️⚘️⚘️no real tears from her eyes. Such a tragedy she brought upon herself. Counseling is for those who "admit" they need help & she keeps repeating lies. After a while no one will listen, she's already lost friends who know the truth🌼🌼
All of us r disappointed in her. Believe me. U r not alone. We can not believe her actions. Ik, we see it. I'm appalled, but who else is w me? Idk. But I'm w u on this, yes. We know she's lying. Ik, ik.
@@kareybarey13 Ok, who's the poor baby. Cause all the kids r grown up. Who r we talking abt? It's been said all over. Who is that, pls? We're not talking abt kids rt? Let me know cause idk. Thanks. Get back to me. I'd love it.
I’ve sat on two juries, the last as forewoman. Neither defendant looked at the jury box much. But when they DID, I didn’t like it whatsoever! As far as I’m concerned, jury members are witnesses in and of themselves. We’re there for the evidence, to parse the credibility of witnesses, to - hopefully - use critical thinking skills to come to the right decision. If I could say something to a defendant, it would be, “Don’t look at me. Don’t try to make eye contact with me. You’re not my friend. We aren’t here to ‘bond.’ Your looking at me feels inappropriate & manipulative, which isn’t exactly good for your case. When you’re on the stand, keep your eyes on the person with whom you’re interfacing. We the jury need to be dispassionate. So . . . STOP LOOKING AT ME!”
I agree too. It's manipulative to do that, I think. It's like u want them to go along w what yr saying whether truth or not. No, u tell the truth. And she definitely isn't honest. Truth that to her, I say. She definitely got caught on more than one occasion lying on the stand. I mean, wow. Shldnt she be in jail? I'm just saying. But I completely agree with u, 💯.
I agree with you 100%, if she's truly a victim, she doesn't need to be working hard in convincing the jury. Unfortunately, she's one of those few women out there, no amount of love or money given to them, they will remain scorned, bitter and dangerous.
Camille is an inspiration not only to women who want to be lawyers, but people who want to heal from their abusers. Amber can't gaslight her. Camille is aware of her reality, and confident enough to point out when Amber is sidestepping her in the way she did with Johnny. What a remarkable woman and an inspiration for everyone.
What struck a nerve with me, was the obvious switch in her demeanor immediately during cross examination. She'd literally go from bad acting, fake crying & turmoil to defensive AF...what happened to those sad feelings just moments before??? She's a real piece of work!
I've been a volunteer advocate for survivors of relationship violence for over thirty years. I've created and co-facilitated peer support groups, lectured about relationship violence at three universities, and advocated for numerous individuals. Survivors do not act like Amber. Amber acts like an abuser, with serious narcissistic characteristics. She gaslights perniciously, a most insidious deceit. I think she's beginning to realize she's in deep yogurt.
@@nope9905 and you don't know what the hell he does either. What's your point? Nobody knows.That being said I've watched 100 plus experts in everything under the sun that say she's being deceptive. Even the lady that trains the FBI on deception detection thinks she's lying.
When Rob spoke about Camille being an extension of Johnny and finally being able to be Johnny's voice in the face of his abuser, it really touched my heart. I'm a mother of three grown sons and during Johnny's testimony of his childhood, I just became so empathetic towards that five year old boy in him(and I'm Johnny's age!). I always look upon their "chemistry" solely as Csmille being in the defender, exposer, protector mode for him, not anything romantic. I subscribe to both of you. Thank you Law & Lumber Rob and Spidey 👌👌👏🏻👏🏻🙌🙌 I thoroughly enjoyed this collaboration!
Absolutely! She's like his secret ninja sister no one knew Johnny even had and who has finally enough of that monster demeaning her brother. Back off my bro!!!
One thing I find VERY telling after watching a lot of her testimony is she chooses to be emotional when she talks about Johnny accusing her of lying. She doesn't choose to get emotional when she talks about abuse. Not only are we missing typical emotional cues for someone recalling a painful memory, but when she chooses to appear emotional seems very telling. When her reputation is being questioned she chooses to be emotional. Her reputation, how people perceive her is the most important thing. The idea that she was abused is secondary in her mind which is why she doesn't choose to seem emotional when talking about her "abuse" experiences.
Exactly!!! I think that was the part that SHE BELIEVED was truly abusive toward her…so she honed in on any real feelings. The rest is conjured up…really poor acting.
It's definitely perfect that Camille did the questioning because it would look horrible for a guy, a male, to straight up call a woman a liar about being abused. Camille can, and DID, point out how stupid Amber sounds
@@logan197777 very smart... Camille was also just brilliant too! A man would not have been received well though if he said the same things, asked the same questions, etc. The only thing I feel bad for Amber about is an audio recording that won't end up in court where her doctor is joking with the nurse about upping her Seroquel prescription after chopping off Johnny's finger. Doctors should not talk like that
I think a man would act smarter. Camille sounded overly aggressive, and sometimes it felt even theatrical which to me doesn't look smart, but judges are bored creatures, so maybe a bit of energy here and there seems like a better investment. All decisions are based on emotions.
Camille was not agressive. She was steadfast. Elaine was the agressive one. She did a wonderful job with not letting Amber Heard get away with obfuscation. She always drilled down to refuse to let Amber do the "act".
What planet are you on?? In any other court room, that many objections would piss off the jury, showing them that this sketchy lawyer is desperately trying to hide the truth. A truly good lawyer would fight back with evidence. Not just attempt to talk over and interrupt the flow of the other. That’s pathetic. She’s pathetic.
@@PsychotropicThunder I hope you're not referring the the amber heard redirect. The reason Camille kept objecting is because Elaine was trying to admit Amber's hearsay as medical evidence of her "injury documentation". Obviously amber isn't a medical expert, therefore she has no foundation to lay to justify using amber to enter that evidence. But she doesn't have another option because there is no doctor to call as a witness, since amber never received medical services.
Big thanks to Rob and Ian for doing overnights just to give us feedback on the jury and courtroom vibes. Big thanks to Spidey for the video and analysis from this trial!!!!!
You can feel the warmth and protection Johnny’s team has for him. The amount of evidence they found against Amber Heard you can tell has pist them off. They are going hard on her! It’s amazing!
Yup I was thinking the same thing about how much they must of seen an heard. Things We know nothing about. I know that Tape of Her Laughing and Tell Him to suck her D*ck made me feel so Sick at first then it made me mad. There's NO way I would of talked to my Ex like that EVER. An I have Brother's I wouldn't want someone like her anywhere near them!
I started crying when you said about Johnnys attorney being his shield and sword. I think it’s not just Camille, it Ben Chu and all of them. They’re serving as his Armor and army as he faces the worst part of his life. I wish every victim having the privilege to have such excellent defenders.
So beautifully said ❤. I cried too. This was epic and I'm grateful to Camille, she was like an angel defending Johnny. This is something you can't buy with money
I agree wholeheartedly and it would be amazing if all victims could have this kind of defenders. One thing I would like to say is even someone as famous, rich and seemingly surrounded by security falls victim to the like of someone so full of hate, jealousy and aggression and a all round grifter. She is mentally unstable. The damage amber herd has done for all the victims men woman and children is sickening. How can anyone think they have a chance when you see how difficult it is to do so when you have the means. Justice for Johnny, Justice for all.
I don’t know how I got myself caught up in watching this trial. I normally avoid watching others drama, and this case makes me feel kind of sick inside. Like I’m snooping into private lives… but the whole psychology and analyzing these peoples behaviors is teaching me a lot, and I find it somewhat fascinating. It’s like a what not-to-do and what types of people to avoid kind of lesson. Thank you for sharing the interesting analysis.
Me too, I'm not even into "celebrity" culture. However some vindication is in knowing that this is what Johnny Depp wanted, for people to see everything.
I agree with you. I also do not feel guilty, because these are public figures and they made it public anyway... For me, this is a massive case study and I learned a lot from the law and psychology. And I am grateful for the opportunity.
You can 100% tell that Camille and Ben are so invested and want Johnny to finally get his justice. He isn’t just a client to win a case for. I think they have spent so much time with him over the years building his case for him and listening to all he has been through that they got to know who Johnny is
As a victim of sexual assault, and as the mother of a great man, I'm FURIOUS at women who fake assault. I wonder how personal this might be for Camille Vasquez.
This may not be personal for Camille but I do believe she is totally invested in getting justice for Johnny because she truly believes him and has probably had to comfort him as he relives all of memories he never should have had to endure xx
Robs voice quaked when he said as an attorney, and when your time comes “your that persons voice.”, I can see that he has a huge heart ❤️. so much empathy ! a lot of true feeling!
When she keeps saying things like security "carried him like a baby" and other disparaging details, she is expressing disgust and indicating that she thinks it is pathetic. There is no sign of any "concern" that she claims to have felt.
@@calmchaos6460 she will discover quite a bit. She will run through that 7M... She is box office poison, and she can no longer pay for all friends, family and her fuck buddies to "come up to P4 5 6 185.....its END GAME. Its very possible she will end up on the street.
Yes how she describes that it was weird when he cries and how people took care of him when he was at his worst I think she’s telling the truth she hated that she has no empathy
I think that he has certain trigger words from previous abuse too. She knows them and used them because they’re not obvious to outsiders so she could trigger hiim, he would react and she could claim he was being unreasonable. The word ‘baby’ is one of them and it can be used in many different ways. As a term of so called endearment as well as an insult.
Yup, imo leverage the social guise of an anglicized outlook on their demographic. Those who go unchecked will abuse their lack of provision. It's human nature
@@kathleencastle8631 he probably just wanted it all to be over and finally get away from her and when she wouldn’t stop with the defamation he chose to press charges I could be wrong tho, not sure
Yes! You know something the turd makes my skin crawl but I have to say part of me, small part feels a bit sorry for her. The woman's mentally ill she has zero impulse control because she's beating her spouse. And then screaming about it and basically blaming him for it. I think her career is virtually over. But perhaps like many other celebrities they go to rehab and come forward and announce they are now healed. Mental illness is a real problem and it's in the Forefront in America right now. She could actually turn around and be a great spokesperson for mental illness at the end of all this. That is if she's the kind of person that will acknowledge her behavior and obviously then attempt to fix it because you can't change what you don't acknowledge. Anybody else think about that kind of thing with her?
Hearing that Camille broke down after questioning Amber really exposed how exhausting and physiologically draining dealing with Amber had to be for Johnny. Add in physical and verbal abuse, forced isolation from your own family and friends and anyone in his situation would take drugs and drink alcohol to get away from her. If after just a few hours Camille can have such emotion, just imagine what damage that would do to a person who had to deal with her for YEARS! Amber deserves all the hate she gets.
I actually rlly like Camille as a lawyer. I'm rather impressed. I'm not even impressed w Amber's lawyers. But Johnny's lawyers on the other hand. They're cool. I rlly like Camille. She's got it. She may need to back off a bit, but she's good. Go Camille😂. I love it, her work and how she is. Awesome. Good job Camille, no matter how this turns out. Jesus.
I thought that it was tactical move from their part to have Camille question Amber Heard. JD's team is full of different people, men, women, of different ages. They couldn't put a man in charge of cross examining Amber. They had to ask really invasive and personal questions, it would look bad if man grilled her about her SA story. They could've brought in little bit older or just softer woman. like Elaine, who Amber clearly trusts. But I don't think soft approach would work with Amber. Instead they bring Camille, who is young and beautiful and clearly close with Johnny. Amber sees Camille as her equal, or maybe even someone who is a bit intimidating to her. If Amber truly is bipolar or even a bit narcissistic, they can't handle someone being smarter or prettier or better liked than them. They will unravel. I noticed when they questioned Whitney, Amber's sister, new female lawyer did the cross examination, she was really friendly and sweet and only asked her few simple questions. Later I started wondering if Johnny asked them to do this; Johnny knew that Whitney is Amber's victim just as much as he is, I believe JD still feels for her and wants to protect her. My theory is that JD's legal team could have really grilled Whitney about the stair incident, but Johnny stopped it. But these are just my thoughts and opinions, I don't know these people, who the hell knows what really happens between people behind closed doors 🤷♀️
My body rejects Amber when she speaks! My sister and I have a borderline narc mom (diagnosed) and are consumed with this trial! It’s chilling to hear and see Amber on the stand and on recordings. I’m taking this trial personal having lived through this kind of abuse!
I could only watch the first 30 minutes or so of amber heards day 1 testimony while live for this reason! I was under the care of my aunt for about 7-8 years (from 7 years old to 15), and the way amber spoke, her body language, it brought me right back to that bad place and I had a panic attack. I couldn't focus on anything, wasn't even able to read the comments because I was so trapped in my head... like I was that small again. It gave me SUCH a huge relief to know that others are seeing something off with amber too. It makes me feel like maybe I'm not making up/exaggerating things in my head, and that I had a real reason to escape. There might be a reason us former victims have a strong reaction to her.(amber h)
If you've ever been in a narcissistic relationship, you know how incredibly rewarding it was to watch Camille NOT LET HER GO. So validating for JD. I'm so happy for him.
I had absolutely zero interest when this all first began, I never thought this would make me feel validated, heard, and not alone as a male who was hit, kicked between the legs, by a woman who has been in abusive relationships, and has done all this “self care therapy” which consists of Tiktok feminist, mental abuse to make me apologize for her hitting me, just disgusting things, mind twisting things.
@@hughmungus431 I did see the abuse her ex put her through, I even actually had tuned him up a bit one night I had heard of it. However into my relationship with this female it had become apparent she was very much the instigator and abuser, which abuse is not justifiable at all, but I also see why she had abusive relationships, and in all honesty I forgive her, she needs therapy/counseling and it apparent by anyone who knows her, the problem is she is in denial and it’s all everyone else’s problem. Pretty twisted.
She's getting exactly what she deserves. People like her who lie about domestic/sexual abuse are sick and SHOULD go to prison. Those types of lies ruins the lives of their victims* and makes it harder for REAL victims to come forward.
Yup and just like his bodyguard/friend who passed away but is heard on tapes, said she was a spoiled brat. The woman has had no accountability for her actions walking around ruining people with her lies and abusing not just Johnny but her sister and previous spouse whom she was arrested and served a night in jail. But got her to recant later. Then getting caught in lies on the stand. Crying and no real tears. Wants her husband sober but tells him to bring wine and a joint. Does coke herself. Does she not know that addicts need zero tolerance to any drugs or alcohol. It was her controlling him like when he took his own shoes off and threw a fit. Too bad she couldn’t let well enough alone. He was trying to salvage a friendship and said he’d take care of her but she got greedy and hella vindictive.
I think anyone determined to be a sociopath needs to be put away somewhere, not necessarily punished but forced to live away from the rest of society. We lock up insane people who are a danger to others, whether they commit crimes or not. Sociopaths are a danger to everyone.
@@acegikm Mental health resources are slim, and narcissists and sociopaths do great harm to others. But I don't think they should be imprisoned. Not only is this not a crime - but would does not make them learn what they did was wrong- they would be blaming others. They should have to participate in a mandatory mental health deprogramming so they finally realize what they are, and finally be empathetic to others so that they don't harm again and finally empathically reflect on what they have done to their victims. Too much emphasis is put on putting people you don't like "in prison" - but there are ways to turn these bad people to different people.
I had a moment in the courtroom like Camille. Did a custody trial for a dad with three children who were in a bad situation with their mother. Got full custody for the father and supervised visitation for the mother. It was a sad trial. At the end of it I had an emotional moment in the courtroom and had to excuse myself for a few minutes in an adjacent witness room. Lots of emotion comes from that kind of tension and that kind of passion.
It’s also weird that she was emotional during questioning from her attorney but from cross examination she wasn’t. Someone that’s usually gone through trauma would have the same emotional state through both types of questioning.
What an awesome commentary. When you described Camille Vasquez as JD's shield and sword, a light turned on in my head. There is a Greek saying "Scratch a mother, find a tiger." I have had conversations with gentle women who are shocked at how fierce and unstoppable they can be. In Camille, we see the archetypal mother defending her child, and when we consider that both she and JD are gentle people, and JD's mother failed to provide safety, we see how a strong attachment can form. We also hear the archetypal mother in Camille's scolding of AH, which if she would just listen, is a gift. *** I see a few people have made my post about God v no-God. I think one of the lessons of this trial has been how abusive it is to silence someone else's voice. So let's listen to each other kindly and allow everyone to have their truth. Let's make the space between us a safe place.
Certainly she has this wisdom from God .she is a 🎁 God bless her for be a good lawyer .all those hired her they feel protected cuz 100 % she take cases like she feel in her hearts. They are telling the true and accepted those kind of cases.
@@rosalainz2165 I love this. Reason is that earlier I was praying to God to protect Johnny because the two most important women in his life failed him. And now I just remembered that God uses PEOPLE, and that's how He's already doing it.
I totally get Camille’s final reaction after questioning Amber. Not only is she absorbed in defending her client to the best of her ability but, her professional skills and reputation are aired worldwide and therefore are at stake. This trial is going to be studied, for years to come, at and by many law schools; this is huge in terms of how the justice system works and how people’s behavior can break or make a person. I can imagine that psychologists and psychiatrists are having a field day.
I agree. It dawns on me, Miss Heard can be verily disqualified because of her discrepancies during her testimony. I don't think this trial meets the threshold to become a jurisprudence case. There is nothing special about this case. Fortunately, the truth is coming out. I salute Mr. Depp for his resilience throughout his life with Ms. Heard, and the ongoing trial. I wish justice will prevail.
One of the most concerning things about Amber's testimony was after playing the audio of her telling Johnny that she had not punched him, and she didn't know the position of her hand but she was sorry that it wasn't a proper slap, and that it did not hurt and he was not hurt! In that audio you could hear her literally gaslighting him by telling him that what he had experienced he didn't experience and that the pain that he had felt he had not felt. When Camille was questioning her about this she literally tried to Gaslight the jury into believing that what she had said she had not said. At that point, for me, she became completely unbelievable as a witness.
There are tens of hours of recordings that weren’t admitted into court….. it’s so fucking disturbing and she destroyed him mentally and tortured him while taking pleasure in it. She admitted to setting him up and not being able to not attack him. She admitted to a LOT….. I can see why they wouldn’t let it in being that it would sway the jurors immediately upon them hearing it. Truly vile.
As a woman who supports female victims of abuse, it is so hard for me to believe Amber Heard. I feel as if I am watching a Soap Opera Daytime TV Show with a very bad actress who is over-acting. In other words, it's like watching a Drama Queen. Intuitively, I do NOT feel believable 'vibes' of trauma due to domestic abuse, from Amber. She is unbelievable.
that's the whole problem - she's acting. it's all an act. and a bad one. there are so little genuine emotions you would expect from a person with trauma.
100% agree with you. Feel the same way. Like watching a lousy actress audition for a B-movie. Trying too hard to show emotion and visibly over acting = being dishonest.
What Rob says is exactly the reason why I chose to become an attorney in litigation practice, to speak for those who can't speak for themselves. I did and still do a fair bit of pro bono work because of this reason. There has to be this sense of justice and fairness to essentially be a good attorney in my opinion.
I just need someone to point out the crying without tears, without redness in the face. I’ve never seen a person try to fake an ugly cry as poorly as she did in this trial on so many occasions.
And in their divorce meet up in San Francisco ...as soon as he put down the phone to his lawyers she started with the whining, wheedling and fake crying. I think at one point it mustve worked on johnny cos hes an empath but not anymore. Shes a nasty manipulative piece of work. I wish I was in the slug n lettuce e in Sheffield sunday night.😭😭😭
I was extremely satisfied with her pointing it out during closing arguments. Up until then- in court - I hadn’t seen anyone pointing it out and it’s been bothering me through the entire trial. 😂
She's smart enough to know all the damage she did, he could have sued her for...he had to turn the tables quick- set him up to make Johnny look like he was the bad guy. It's the perfect narcissistic projection story. All the claims are actually "what amber did" to Johnny, plain, simple. You both said the things i felt and saw. I literally cried during much of the trial...especially after Camilles ending statements. So emotional.
I would feel so uncomfortable as a juror if a witness tried to lock eyes with me constantly. I feel like it ok to glance at them every now and again but it feels to me that she is desperately trying to control what she can instead of admitting to herself she doesn’t have any control here.
I wonder if she was maybe told to talk to the jury, to kind of pull them into her story, and it is a bit of a labour for Ms. Turd. If so, that was bad advice, it's bombing out.
I live in small county with a small jury pool, so am called every 13 months. I've been on multiple juries, and I have to say, I find it very uncomfortable when anyone involved looks my way. I don't even like the attorneys coming over for closing arguments. I want to feel like I'm an objective observer of the whole thing, so breaking that invisible wall and looking into the jury box feels like an unnatural attempt to suck me into the action. It has kind of a used car salesman vibe. There are a few people where it is obvious that's just how they communicate in a room. They aren't consciously doing it. But those are very few.
She wasn't this emotional 6 years ago, she seemed pretty aggressive and annoyed and smirky during her deposition back then while being interviewed in a room, now she's so emotional, knowing she has a huge audience, not just the people in the court room but the jury and those watching through the media. As they explained it, as much as she tries to look emotional it still comes through as aggressive.
Her earlier deposition is biting in her back..aggression ,eating and talking with food in mouth and smirking and all those low class behaviour.. So she is now trying to play underdog
Not crying in 2016, the year of your divorce, but crying in 2022, 6 years later, seems contrived to me too. When hurt is fresh, you cry. When the hurt is older, you've had time to reflect, crying should be minimal.
Idk why I love that he pointed out Camille’s nerves and her settling herself but it is the most adorable and admirable thing in the world. She knew this moment was paramount and she was able to soothe herself, stay strong, and deliver a phenomenal cross. I love her.
Can’t blame the jury for disconnecting with Amber. It’s creepy how she always abruptly shifts her gaze to the jury for the answer and whips back to her counsel for the next question. It really didn’t feel like she was seeking empathy. It still reeks of arrogance and aggression. I’d look away if I were the jury! 🤪
Exactly. The difficulty is that they need to watch her, to determine if she's telling the truth. But how can you, when she is staring at you? Even when she is not speaking, she does it. When the lawyers approach the judge, is the worst time. She scans them constantly, looks away, then does it again & again. They must feel so uncomfortable. She even smiles at one of them occasionally, so she is definitely trying to connect with them & it shouldn't be allowed.
If you watch her. Not only is she seeking empathy but she *naturally* has a lot of arrogance and aggression so she's basically fighting between all those feelings. She also is trying to manipulate the audience and keep control of herself etc etc etc. She has a lot going on.
Look… I’m going to be honest…. Listening to Amber is like listening to nails on a chalkboard…. This is exactly how crazy I felt dealing with my narcissistic mother… The way this case has emotionally messed with my head…. I cannot.
Yes definitely find myself nothing short of triggered throughout...and at the same time highly invested in the outcome just for that reason. I take breaks often and go between processing resurfacing thoughts/emotions/experiences and just thinking of nothing at all
How stupid does she think people are? She’s on tape admitting to hitting Johnny, on tape mocking Johnny, on tape telling him nobody would believe him, and she thinks we are just going to hear that and then disregard it because she says “I could never hurt Johnny”?
I like the penthouse bed picture. They wrecked the whole penthouse, needed a knife to destroy the bed and they forgot to hide it before taking the picture so you can see the damn switchblade ON THE BED lol
I had a job in a library where i had to cofront people eating. Talking or being in the phone. I would see them . When i would speak to them would deny. Even the they knew i saw. "No i didn't "
With today's civilization there's no telling. Even with all this evidence there's big possibility they will let her off, especially since she went and literally pulled a baby out of the hat, just grasping at anything to help her look better or give her an advantage. Her having a baby now and with being a new mom will have leverage. They won't want to see a single mother sued and go broke and she knows that. And yes i do honestly believe she is that messed up to do something like that. Master manipulator.
I found it odd that she was even looking at the jury at all, and immediately was a problem for me, and I cannot understand that move and to me looks desperate and is almost fishing for support. I wasn't sure what to think about much until I believe she totally revealed herself when she was called to the stand and this ensued. Honestly it was embarrassing, maniacal, aggressive, and there was very little I could trust that came out of her mouth. Stop looking at the jury for every answer you give Amber. Stop. It is incredibly nauseating. What is even worse is she is allegedly a "professional actor", and nothing felt genuine or honest, ans because of that, the weight of my reaction was amplified against her when nothing added up or made logical sense. It felt like a child with chocolate all over their mouth, is explaining all the reasons they couldn't have eaten the birthday cake from grandma, and double down by crying and begging w/ crocodile tears and then an immediate switch to anger when there is no other place to go and boxed in by the truth.
I am an abuse survivor and work with domestic violence victims and one of my roles is to act as a victims advocate in court. I accompany the victim to court for support in their testimony or in some cases I will have to speak on their behalf. And in my over 15 years of attending hundreds of court proceedings, I have never ever seen a real domestic violence victim constantly looking at anyone else let alone a jury in the court room especially, when recounting their abuse stories. They will often look down or their eyes will will not focus on anything if their head is not pointed downwards. They are too traumatized to even be sitting there recounting their abuse stories to let alone look at anyone or want anyone to look at them. So, as soon as I saw Amber's testimony, it only confirmed for me what I already suspected, Amber Heard is no victim of domestic violence. She is the abuser here. And she is a disgrace to all real domestic violence victims no matter the gender. #JusticeForJohnnyDepp
It's disgusting, she looks so sure of herself. Someone who could put themselves in the shoes of a victim just knows how impossible is that to happen, even if she has the right to act like that because she was abused, but that doesn't matter because she dind't even seem like she was saving it up since long, we have that video of the cabinets and she dind't look a bit scared
@@ketokeko when I was going through my hell, the VERY last thing I’d do is rile my perp up! It blew my mind when they played the audio of AH taunting JD…I literally felt my heart jump in my chest…that sharp adrenaline rush… I could picture her getting in his face. Damn that woman lying, using our torture to get attention and destroy an American icon.
Robs description of the jury is honestly giving me faith that they’re going to properly side with Johnny Depp. I was so scared that the jury would be blinded by heards lies but it seems like they can see right through her act
Wow watching this video made me cry. Hearing about how the Jury reacted to Amber’s offensive testimony just gives me hope. People like Amber need to see this…to know that you can’t just pretend to be a victim! People will feel it!
Her arrogance and bullying nature shows when she refuses to give a straight yes or no answer and goes on embellishing her answer and overtalking camille.
It’s funny, the “proof” she has of absolutely anything, hasn’t been admitted to evidence. I’m almost 1000% sure, lawyers wouldn’t withhold vital evidence 🤷♀️
The only reason her “strongest” evidence wasn’t submitted was because she had tampered with, augmented, and EDITED every last image. Regardless, she’s thrown her own lawyers under the bus and has lost the case. I’m so happy for Johnny and excited for his win!!
That's one of the many reasons this case throws me off. She testifies that she produced every record and photograph, that allegdly proof all of the physical abuse. And yet, not one of those "many" were officially submitted to the jury. Sure, some were, but according to her testimony it should have been a shitton more. And the ones that were shown were, frankly, not really convincing. Like the ones that were submitted to the jury, were either weeks old (allegedly, again) or an exageration of the lighting. Like, there is nothing about black eyes, broken noses, scars, holes. Nothing that severe. She took photos of everythign related to Depp and his escapades, but she didn't find the time to take photos of her oh so serious injuries after several weeks, or when they were nearly healed? That doesn't sit right to me. Also the fact that she didn't get medical attention. Sure, for some bruises, you might just choke it up and put some makeup on. For a make-believe string woman and actress, I assume there is something more to her than most other abuse victims, right? But why the hell wouldn't she get treatment for a believed broken nose. An injury that couldn't even be captured hours later on a gala meeting by paparazzi? No shot. I can believe that she probably got hit by stuff (be it herself or really JD). And maybe (!) JD DID hit her once or twice. But to the extreme extent she blows this story up? No way in hell this happened.
Exactly... I can't believe Camille didn't flat out ask her if it was her testimony that she believes her lawyers are withholding evidence from the jury that would prove her testimony to be true & where are the ring marks/imprints that would've most definitely been left behind after even the smallest contact... none of those "bruises" have anything close to reassembling a ring of any shape...
@@tatemitchell1479 Even the evidence she submitted was heavily tampered with. Like the supposedly shot with different lighting, were actually the exact same picture with different saturation. People have put both photos through photoshop and it matches, pixel for pixel.
Hearing Camille be brought to tears after cross examining Amber is making me tear up myself. I absolutely love Johnny and his team during this trial and I hope that Camille is proud of herself no matter the outcome.
When someone in an interrogation or on the stand resorts to, "I 'could' never 'hurt' him/her", I see it as an admittance of guilt. Jodi Arias "could never hurt" Travis, but she could certainly stalk him, steal from him, vandalize and break into his property, then kill him 3 different ways and leave him in his own shower to decompose. But she "could never hurt him". This is guilty, minimizing language.
Nice references 👌 I could Never hurt you is said by murders.. especially of love/lust crimes ... just a random girl who watches way to much true crime lol xx
Wow Spidey what a GREAT guest this attorney was… He is so professional, so intelligent, oh and not too bad to look at 😂😂😂… love love love this episode ❤ Camille was so passionate for her defense of proving Johnnys innocence… it moved me to tears several times watching this trial 😢
Agree, Rob is fairly perceptive. Just a few hours ago, I posted a comment on another AH / JD video where i made the exact observation regarding AH scanning the jurors for sympathy and cornering a specific cluster within the jury.🧐 i would've accused Rob of stealing my observation 😋😊🤣😂 if it weren't for the fact that i think this video might have been created before my comment was posted and he was literally at the court room. Nice to see my observations validated 💯i also just subscribed to Rob's YT channel.
Haha that's what Iv said about the whole thing. This is some good education how people behave and think.If just 1 man escapes this toxic kind of relationship or 1 woman decides not to use her sexuality to try to destroy someone , then it was worth it. I just hate the setback she has caused in helping women and understanding what they go through when this is real. She's made a whole world joke about abuse. And these things stick
Wow, yeah, imagine being a juror and realizing that AH is lying and you’re losing weeks of your life that you can’t get back because of her lies. I would give her nasty looks too
Yeah. When she just completely ignores Camilles question "Is that a yes?" and interrupts her and carries on. I'm glad they are smart enough to know that's a clear sign she's lying. I would completely ignore her if she did that in front of me too. They probably just wanted to hear her admit it and say yes, all she did was ask "So you decided to take a picture of Mr. Depp on the floor?" That question in itself doesn't need a defensive answer so she sounds like a fool being so defensive over a yes/no question.
Those jurors are not waiting their time. They are doing the work to set something right. Justice for Johnny comes from those jurors. I'm no religious person. However if there are sacred things, jury duty is one of them
Hearing about the jurors body language, it makes so much sense now that she booked it out the courtroom after getting off the stand before the jury was even dismissed. She was angry at them just as much as she was at her attorneys and johnny and his attorneys. She knew her lawyers were losing and everyone else was hostile towards her position, including the spectators
@@skwerl81 yes it was. The judge asked her to take a seat next to her attorney's and she bolted for the door behind the judge. As she was walking towards the door the Judge said, "okay ladies and gentlemen, let's take our a break." You could tell AH was livid.
I had an awesome lawyer once. She had a cop completely contradicting himself on the stand destroying his case against me. She was a former prosecutor and I was one of her first defense clients so the rates were reasonable. She was the goat imo. We actually won the case based on the Ascoff precedence. A ruling that came down the day before my trial. It was ruled my right to a speedy trial was violated. Had that ruling not come down we were winning anyway
This trial triggers me in so many ways and I can’t stop watching, even when it hurts deep down in my soul. Thank you, both of you, for this fantastic and wholesome analysis. I literally burst into tears by listening to Camilles reaction at the end of day 1 of the cross examination. Yes, I feel that. So proud, that a woman like her protects a man, that was so deeply hurt. May this trial be a blessing for the world and brings more attention to real equality in our society.
I couldn’t sleep for a few nights the second week after listening to Amber not because I believed her but because I recognize that abuser in her- And it’s been over 40 years since anything like that happened to me
I had flashback nightmares after this week. I don't know why, because I really feel she is a fake, but I guess just hearing someone talk about it makes my subconscious think about memories from decades ago.
Exactly. I’m stressed. I’m a survivor of abuse. And this lady is full of sh#%!!! I’m so angry and triggered. If one person believes her, it’s one too many.
This whole case is hopefully making people aware that men are victims of DV, too. I’ve been in situations where my partner was hitting and attacking me, and herself at times. And when I called, every single time the police tried to make it like I was the one who attacked her and just called the cops so I could get ahead of it. That shit infuriates me. I had all kinds of scratches on my neck was bleeding and had a busted lip. And when I got her off of me to get away, they tried to turn that on me and say I hit her. My partner had battery and DV charges on her record and yet they still treated me like I was the suspect and even worse like she was the victim. This was years ago and I’m still pissed about that.
I can understand your frustration. If I were a guy and that happened... Id be pissed off too. *WHY* cops/people seem to assume that the men are the only person capable of abuse is beyond me. There are lots of crazy cray women..Im sure that inflict damage to themselves and blame the guy or not and they see scratches and stuff on both but assume its the guy. I used to have a friend that when sitting next to her boyfriend... She would either slap or punch his one arm with her fist/hand over a remark or something he would say... She would hit at him and say either... Oh shut the feck up... Or Shut up.. *** you weren't there... Or .. Shut the feck up. You dont know any fecking thing. Zip it. Oh my lords Id get ticked and say... You can stop hitting at him and keep your hands to yourself. We couldnt get thru one game of Uno or Trivial Pursuit without her using him as a punching bag as Id call it. She thought it funny. I said its not... Is it ok if he hits at you ?? She said Id feck his ass up if he tried. Literally HATED seeing that. Every.time. I distanced myself from them... Later found he left her soon after.
I’m so sorry you had to deal with a person like this. It also comes with the man being a more fit parent for children, since toxic women sometimes get the kids instead of their good dads.
I'm so sorry! My brother went through the same thing. His wife was very abusive, instigate arguments, couldn't leave the room for space, accusations, jealous. Arguments so bad he would black out if not knocked out. He woke up one time with her choking him he pushed her off him, she called the police then she cut herself and said he did it, bc she reported him they had to take him even though she was the abuser. While one officer truly believed him the other basically made fun that a woman beat him up and the whole station accusing him of being a wife beater. For sanity sake ... your own sanity do not stay around a person like this! No one expects you too! No one deserves this treatment or abuse! This is not love
I don’t think I could have handled being a juror in this case. I would have run out of the room screaming because I couldn’t stand all of Amber’s lies and her self-righteous attitude!
What I don't understand how anybody thinks it's actually possible that these jurors are not seeing any news and they're not talking to anybody who discusses the trial like unless they keep them hold up in a hotel under watch for I247 how does anybody believe that that's really possible?
Watching this after having stood criminal trial and then winning the largest civil federal lawsuit I have learned so much about my own testimony. When I was getting ready to testify in federal court my attorney did NO prep with me ahead of time. On the day I testified my attorney went like this “Miss KELLEY do you remember January 9 1998? I said yes and he said “tell the jury what happened beginning from that night. Then my attorney just stood there and I began telling my story of years of stalking and abuse. Watching this I realized some things. I don’t remember actually looking at the jurors. I simply remember staring straight ahead and for two days I told every single event. Truth is I couldn’t look at the jury while I was testifying to horrific events my family and I endured. I was embarrassed to have to tell people “yup this was our life daily for years “ cause who lives through constant harassment and stalking. I’d love to know what spidey and Dave would think of my testimony on the stand. I guess it went ok. My attorney Leonard Kesten won Lawyer Of The Year for my case. And we won the largest federal civil lawsuit ever recorded by judge Young.
As a 15 year veteran Superiour Courtroom Clerk, I am loving this. Camille is doing great and really getting under Amber's skin. I keep waiting for Amber to break and loose her shit. Amber's performance in court is so telling and so fake. Would love to hear your take on Amber's BS reaction when Johnny was approaching the stand & she backed away like she was so scared. I am a bit suprised that she lets her run on with her answers but at the same time she could be letting her hang herself with her own BS. I have also NEVER seen a witness, especially one who purports to be a victim, look at and play to the jury so much.
AH thinks she's a fantastic actor...I auditioned for that part, I got that part myself. The jury can tell AH is lying and are tired of her fake actions and responses.
You shld watch the Jodi Arias trial - she also turned to talk directly to the jury! If you look at footage of police interview/arrest etc it's another case of lies, lies & more lies from start to finish.
Right?? Why does she need to look at jury every single answer? If she had some truth in her she don’t need exaggerate her facial expressions at then wich Isn’t natural anyways
She'll never understand how bad she fucked her whole life up from her lies. She'll forever blame other people. She could've had such a great successful happy life, but she couldn't just help herself.
She is mentally unwell. As much as I hate her, I think her psychoses guaranteed she would get herself into a situation like this. It's why she has no close friends, all her Instagram posts are of her alone, or with her baby that she paid someone else to have. She needs serious psychological help but her narcissism means she never believes anyone who points out a serious flaw
You are right people will blame others, I think that there's someone who gave this dummy a dumb idea to create stories so she can make some money or sympathy, fame etc. However somehow it just didn't work as planned coz JD didn't stay quiet and stood for himself and his entire career. After all he achieved in his life he wouldn't want to retire in bad note. JD is clean, it's very evident.
I've been a follower of statement analysis for several years now and from my laymen's pov, there are so many red flags with AH's testimony. The "I could never", the "that's preposterous", the "I would NEVER" and etc are all unreliable denials. She COULD never .. but she doesn't say "I did not". As an actress she doesn't have trouble saying her version of my what Johnny did, but when it comes to her actions/inactions, there's so much verbal leakage it's insane. Awesome video gentlemen! I am thoroughly enjoying your commentary!!!
(Time stamp 18:43 ) I felt the same and immediately flashed to Mr. Chew during his closing rebuttal. I was listening to the arguments while playing a game and my heart broke. I immediately switched over to the video when I heard his voice change. You could hear how sincere his hurt was. He took a moment to compose himself, because he knew it wasn't about his feelings, and he wanted them to know that. He didn't want to "put on a show." His emotion was real. His sorrow for what Johnny had gone through, knowing that Johnny's fate was now in the juries hands and he could do no more... heart breaking😔
As a DV survivor, the turtle response makes sense and I still do that when I remember what happened... I feel physical disgust seeing what AH is doing.
Yes. We all do. What she does is dominate, even in her "retelling" of what happened. As survivors, we were being dominated. And, PTSD is always reliving it, not just retelling it. She can't hide that she feels self-righteous and entitled to her outrage, a sign of her cruelty and validation of who is the actual abuser.
I’ve been constantly tearing up while watching this trial. I know what JD felt, and the worst is that he wanted to move on and she wouldn’t stop abusing him even after the divorce. Narcissists never let go of their “possessions”.
When she decided to expand on “why she took these pictures” and was scanning the jury furiously, you notice once she tells her tale and gets zero reaction (per what Rob said) she gives this smirk of don’t care if you believe me or not. it’s very condescending towards the jury. She seemed irritated not getting the confirmation she was striving for from the people she felt she was performing for.
She does smirk a lot and seems very condescending. If I were in her place and these things had happened to me, I would be desperate for people to hear me and understand. Even in the divorce trial, she acted like a sulky teenager instead someone distraught that her marriage was over. Or even neutral that the supposed “love of her life” had disappointed her. I can appreciate that if she had gone through what she’s alleging, she might just be angry at him, but she seems angry at the jury and the attorneys and everyone for inconveniencing her.
Her staring at the jury talking like she does is something I haven't seen in all of my life watching true crime documentaries. It seems most people on the stand will look at the jury ever so often, but not blatantly stare and reply to the questioning to them directly. It's like she's on the set of a movie and she's playing the victim. This has to be one of the oddest trials I've watched
You are so RIGHT! Her condescending & approval seeking courtroom behavior seems pretty consistent with what we've heard about her out in the world...in life. She feels that she is a waaaay bigger star than she is. A true liar & narcissist. Dr. Curry hit the nail on the head.
And that right there is her entire life’s schtick!!! She really has that much confidence that we all couldn’t see it! It’s so bad she could actually have decent lawyers and we would still see through her.
When the photo was shown of Johnny passed out, I was shocked that anyone would do that. How could anyone show someone they supposedly loved in such a weak, vulnerable position? How much disdain and disgust must be in your heart to rob someone of their dignity by documenting their dissipation. You’d have to feel total and utter contempt to do that. Yet she kept professing how much she loved him. She didn’t. And now it’s clear that the prescription medications he used could have caused those on-the-nod situations as opposed to drug abuse.
Really? You have obviously never been closely related to or married to someone who is an addict or alcoholic. When they’re denying they did something and you know otherwise, you like to be able to prove it to them. Edit: She and Johnny both were toxic in this relationship. Idk how anyone could side with one over the other.
Really mean. Documenting abuse on her was 1 thing. But the pictures she took of him, so evil & unnecessary Her "abused" pictures would b the only thing needed 2 prove her abuse. Obviously she doesn't have any because it didn't happen.
You can tell she gets off on talking about how he had to be carried "like a baby" and have his clothes changed as she has gleefully recounted multiple times on the stand. Despicable.
This was my first thought as well! It reminds me of a pre-teen slumber party where kids draw on their sleeping friends’ faces and take pictures. Might be acceptable in a 12-year-old …
Insanely good video, Rob is now a litigator, woodworker and behavior analyst all in 1,Spidey can't wait to see your full analysis, keep up the good work
It's pretty entertaining to see him start a UA-cam channel, with his first video getting close to 1 million views, and already hitting 100k subs himself. Rob deserves it.
This was so interesting to me. When I testified before a grand jury during the indictment of my abuser, I don't recall ever seeing the jury. I was focused on the prosecutor and her questions. I do remember hearing an audible gasp from the room when the photos were shown, but I don't think I ever looked up. I felt like this whole attempt of Amber's to catch the jury's attention seemed strange.
Your response makes total sense to me. Her relating directly to jury seems like she is trying to convince them of her story rather than remembering what happened to her.
Yay! A video on this from Spidey!!!! I noticed her eyes scanning the jury, trying to see if anyone was connecting with her. I’m 100% sure that if she found that person, she’d have locked on and begged them with her eyes to believe her. I’ve seen abusers at work many a time, lying through their teeth with their great big acts
Based on my experience as a social worker: When the clients emotions are real you want to move towards them and connect with them, empathize, etc. When the clients are acting it creates discomfort and you want to move away. I feel so uncomfortable watching her forcing and faking emotion!
That's exactly what I have experienced with victims of domestic violence. Sometimes if the story seemed outrageous I would be pulling back and very clinical so to speak, trying to ascertain is this person genuine or is this person pumping up the narrative. Once I began to trust in what this person was saying, you're right, I leaned forward I tried to look comforting and understanding which is easy because I've been through it, and then I would be able to get the whole story. When I had women in my office who were angry at the abuse, they didn't look away and act all put-upon, they looked at me with a combination expression of can you believe this would happen and total hurt that it would happen.
Social worker here too. I 100% agree with this! You feel that emotions when they discuss their trauma and rawness of what happened. This is just cringy and reminds me so much of a classic abuser trying to spin webs of lies to cya. I felt no emotional attachment or empathy towards anything she said. I truly hope she will get some mental health assistance.
Observation: In a juror's eyes, having a male lawyer go after Heard may seem like bullying, but, if Heard's adversary is female, then it certainly is a fair fight. Let the females go at it. And Vasques did and she won easily.
@@pookiepookie8669 I thought the same thing. But I also think she may possibility blame her teams incompetence, which they don’t have a lot to work with; either way she is going to claim something if he wins.
When he said that Amber was scanning her eyes across the jury looking for someone who was with her, I got such insight in how narcissists always seem to find someone to exploit! Since I lean toward being an empath, this is a good lesson! I’ve learned so much more through this trial, and I really appreciate how much time you and all the LegalBytes participants have invested in enlightening the curious public!
There are many reasons I think this trial is significant and I'm glad it's broadcasted all over media. People are learning about the dynamics of abusive relationships as well as personality disorders, very important things to be educated on. Especially if you're an empath because predators do come after them the most.
@@acegikm I lean heavily as an empath as well. I would disagree that we're the most targeted because oftentimes I can ping a person's character. If there are "bad vibes" there, if you will, I can literally feel it. Conversely, I have met people who have such a good heart that it makes me smile because I can ping that as well. I guess it all depends on one's definition of "empath" as well. 🙂
@@gigid9606 oh my goodness!! That part was SO interesting!! AH got so ANGRY and (like she's been doing this whole time) deflection and blaming the other person!!
Camille Vasquez is helping me re-frame and reconcile my own experience with addiction and abuse. Her clear and present questions, so grounded, tenacious. It feels every point she makes puts finally to rest another incident from my own experience. She's healing and empowering a lot of people right now. I am so glad to hear she knows it!
Indeed. When she speaks to AH . It's dominating yet some how soothing. She is taking stand for the truely abused at the same what a strong young woman can do!! It's sexy
When she says “I could never hurt Johnny” means in her mind, when she hits/punches, kicks, etc him..it didn’t hurt him. In her recording when she said she didn’t punch him, she hit him..she says he’s “not hurt, babe, you’re fine”. She’s playing in words, twisting the truth and just plain GASLIGHTING whoever she can. Horrible.
I perceived that phrase as a note to the fact that he knows the truth and his own value and her value and that he could never truly take anything in that she does. Secondly she knows that she could never hurt him like a parent...his mother could do to him as she did. Because Amber is just a partner and the worst one at that. He had many positive relations before Amber to base her against.
I think in her mind as a narcissist is that women are fragile and men are tough and basically views herself as this special thing that is fragile and everything other people do will hurt her and other people need to attend to her needs. She's been coddled her entire life and basically views men as tools rather than someone who could also have emotional needs because she selfish.
I watched a lot of this trial and one of the parts that shocked me the most was the “professionals” and “experts”. It is crazy How they can tell a story disregarding the facts. I guess Amber is not the only person losing her carrier.
Just highlights how primitive our human minds can be, it's so easy to be narrow minded but to act noblely not just for your family but for, in the end, a better world , is still difficult enough for most of us to cause so many problems.
One would think the amount of money that the"expert witnesses" were being paid, they would not be so easily disapproved. Score another point for Depps team.!
Despite Johnny having so many friends, countless fans/supporters, and all the resources in the world available to him, he has clearly still really struggled and likely felt alone and helpless. But I feel like what Camille has done for him during this trial is probably one of the most meaningful and healing experiences anyone could have ever given to him. To take this so personally and take on this trial as of she’s defending her own family and giving him justice is beautiful to see. I hope they remain really good friends. I feel like this was the type of intimate and genuine love and support he has needed to heal. Because clearly he is not well and has been struggling for a long time with his mental health. But I feel like from here forward he is going to have a real shot at sobriety and healing. As well as the life changing experience of having this “monster” he’s been hiding for so long be out in the open, and basically every other aspect of his life (both good and bad) out for the world to see. How terrifying that must be, and then to be met with so much love and empathy... It’s truly priceless
You can see his demeanor has changed. He's is happier, more relaxed, as though the weight of the world has been lifted odd his shoulders. He can breathe now.
I felt like the first couple of days when JD wore his hair down it seemed like his hair was a security blanket to sort of shield him from others or judgement. The 3rd day his hair was pulled back and he had so much more confidence in himself and it was a beautiful thing to see. I just want to give him the biggest hug and tell him he’s not alone and he has a vast amount of people who are standing with him.
Oh my God, that's exactly what I have been thinking as well while watching this past week... How in the beginnning he had his hair down (I use my hair as a security blanket myself, im deathly afraid to cut it.. So I guess that stood out to me) and then in the last few weeks he has had it pulled back , letting us see all of him, once he knew he had the support if many many many people.
You do NOT take pictures of someone you supposedly love passed out on the floor. How disrespectful of her! That was taken for one reason and one reason only, to use against him in the future and sure enough. That is despicable and something that wouldn't even cross my mind to do. Her constantly addressing the jury is downright creepy!!! Excellent analysis between you and Rob!
Yes exactly .. what ever happened to love them in sickness and.in health .at least take off his shoes and get him a blanket ..she wasn't in love with him at all ...so sad ..JUSTICE FOR JOHNNY !!!
Exactly! my xBFF of 6yrs is addicted to H and I'd never ever try to shame her with pics at a low point because it doesn't help a person choose sobriety, it drives them further into addiction. Holding someone accountable doesn't involve shame, its supposed to be encouraging them to make better choices. You can talk about it at anon for support but pictures of nodding off to pass around and shame someone I cannot even fathom how AH mightve even considered it helpful. Total bs
When she says that I can't help but think, wouldn't it be more impactful and helpful to record him in a drunken state? Like a video? It doesn't make sense to me, especially having been in a few relationships with raging alcoholics/drug users. Them asleep or passed out accomplishes nothing. It shows them nothing. You have to see yourself in action for it to even register. When they're asleep, that's usually when you feel protective or the caretaker's emotions come out. I mean for me it was.
I don't know, I'd have to side with Amber on this one. Essentially, we are ALL on the outside looking in. Amber has lived with Johnny for years and understands his mannerisms WAY more in depth than any of us do. For example, my ex gf used to snore pretty loud after a night of drinking and whenever I told her the next morning, she would deny it and get defensive. So I thought I'd make a video of her one night and show her the next morning. This is pretty much the same circumstances. Johnny gets shit faced, passes out, Amber yell at him the next morning, Johnny gets confused and denies it. You take a picture of the act, and now there is no speculation. So having said that, I kind of believe Amber.
Camille as an empath and sword and shield for JD was the most heart-wrenching and awakening comment. She knows he's fragile, that he's being abused and that he's damaged. She also truly believes that he has been wronged and wants to help him get it all out in public to get his reputation back and to be vindicated. Never about money for him -- he did however want / need to have the whole story told for reasons I mentioned before. What a sad sad state of affairs and I hope that there is much healing in his future after this - win or lose, his truth and story have gotten out after all these years.
i don't think Camille is an empath. empaths have very poor emotional boundries. she was very assertive with amber. perhaps the word ypu're lookinfg for is empathetic or compassionate.
My favorite part of cross examination was when Camille asked Amber… “You testified that you wanted to file for the restraining order as discreetly as possible with no press” Amber replied ..”that is correct”. Then she showed a photo of Amber that day on the court house steps, surrounded by press; with a bruise on her face. Camille the replied…” What…. No makeup kit that day “…?!
@@pasaniusventris4113 Exactly! Watch the video of her deposition accidentally spilling about TMZ being alerted that day during the cross-examination. Amber is very cunning and manipulative.
@@bnd123us hahah that one was great! Asking: "so you just decided to have a photo-shoot in courthouse hall while you were obtaining a TRO" ? haha :p the way AH keeps twisting the phrasing of questions with her answers while in the meantime acting as if what she is saying is all so obvious and logical (tho it really isn't), makes me anxious for the outcome. ANYone would clearly say she is full of BS and lying about practically everything, and JD is always believable and feels like telling the truth. But because these stories are so obvious not working on her side and are so strange, yet she doesnt seem worried or ashamed at all.... it's so freaky to see someone lie like that.
@@HopefulInterventions the fact that she literally pulled her hands up to cover up those words and stop herself was insane. you could see just how much she didn't mean to say that, and that's because she knew just how bad it would make her look.
I did not want this video to end. Truly amazing insights and fascinating takes. When you talked about Camille breaking down my heart became heavy. I respect her so much. Thank you Rob and Spidey for this video.
wow the part about Camille and Johnny's relationship brought me to tears. Johnny must feel so loved and supported by his whole team. I'm glad it's them defending him and bringing him justice. Thank you so much for your amazing and hard work. I have seen the whole trial on Legalbytes. Love from Denmark
Wow to hear how Camille was in tears after day 1 of cross examination is really great insight we didn't get to see. She really is giving her all. So proud of her. She's been unbelievably amazing as has all Johnny's lawyers!! She really cares & believes Johnny deserves to be vindicated for years of all these fake allegations & treacherous lies from #AmberTurd. She knows how vile #AmberTurd is & wants to expose her lies to the world!! #JusticeforJohnny 🙏🙏
Yes, agree!! This lawyer has showed her professionalism, loyalty to her team and client and clearly has facts to back up why these allegations and stories are outrageous!! I have felt extremely heartbroken and sad at times through this trial for JD because I from home can see the “evidence” hear testimonies and see the discrepancies in her stories right away but also see that JD is a man who is human like anyone else and has struggles and things he opened up about on the stand and has had to listen to people he is close to or once close to speak on those struggles. But he knows this is the only way for people to see the truth and I’m so very glad he did! Another thing that I wish they would talk about more is when JD broke things or got ugly with words (which I’m not saying is right) but how long before he did those actions did he have to endure AH emotional, verbal and physical attacks before he needed to have an outlet of frustrations?!?! Which is a sign of victim of IPV and also we see what Dr. Curry talked about are people typically with these disorders can be taxing over time and on a daily bases. #JusticeforJohnny!!!
I kinda thought that Camille would go home and cry after I saw her bear hug of JD and his other lawyer. Cry of happiness and a sense of achievement. I too cried after I finally got into my dream college. It was an effort that took me an year of reduced sleep, effort and much more
@@nancycali4644 No, I think he said it was when all of the cameras had shut down and people were getting ready to finish for the day so they could leave.
To clarify: There are at least 3 instances where it had been proven that Amber hit Johnny. 1. At the top of the stairs she punched him in the face. 2. Audio recording where she admits to hitting him not “punching”him. 3. Audio recording Amber admitting When he was locked in the bathroom, she kicked the door into his head, then punched him in jaw. Also AH claimed JD of SA in her op Ed. Of which there is zero proof. And allegations are convoluted , ever changing, and without merit. This is the worst kind defamatory allegation of all of her false claims. Because it was allegations of a brutal sexual assault and crime. This being untrue is the epitome of DEFAMATION and she most certainly should be held accountable for this! #JusticeforJohnny
She also admitted to Jerry Judge who was at the house in Australia that she threw the bottle that cut Johnny's finger off and he never hit her. But Johnny lied to the Drs. about how it happened to protect her. She was recording the entire fight but the audio can't be played in court because Jerry Judge passed away.
When Rob spoke on why Camille was perfect to speak for Johnny, everything he said gave me chills and I teared up. I was a victim of severe sexual abuse from my father and brother growing up. When I finally spoke out, my entire family abandoned me because they did not believe me. Due to everyone cutting me off, I have gone through my whole adult life without a family. My father and brother still have everyone's full support and belief. My reputation and life was stripped from me for speaking out. But the story is happy ending. I worked my butt off for years and years in very intense therapy and with God's help I have forgiven my family and healed from my trauma. I think healthily enough to allow healthy people in my life who DO believe me and help encourage me to continue being who I want to be: a gentle, merciful survivor. Even though I am still without family love, I am now, in fact, happy 🌷 Thank you to the people who not only believe abuse victims, but also protect them ❤
Wow im so sorry for what you had to experience!!! How absolutely terrible. I grew up in a abusive home as well, but not as severe as you. All i have today from my family growing up is a sister and literally nobody else. And it sometimes feels scary and lonely to not have anybody to look up to, go to, ask for advice, support. But i feel more like an orphan than abandoned, because i never had a family like it should be. An abusive family is a toxic set of people that push you down and take away everything from you - not a place of home and safety. So i try not to see it as losing a family, but cutting off excess weight, that would otherwise kill you. And make my own new family instead and find home and safety in all the things i love ;) i wish you all the best and a great life!
Same here. I had chills and so wanted to protect Johnny. Made me think of my son. I can’t wait to hug him soon. So sorry about what you went through. Sending you love and hugs too.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Hey everyone! Hope you enjoy this conversation with a brilliant lawyer with amazing insight from the courtroom!
Please remember: none of these comments are of a predictive nature! We are simply commenting on behaviors and what they COULD mean/ are likely to mean. But there are 3 major reasons this does not allow us to predict the outcome of the trial.
1) we’re analyzing key moments. These isolated moments do not necessarily reflect the overall opinion. Remember, this is a defamation trial, they don’t have to believe Johnny hit her everytime she says he did, they only have to believe he hit her once.
2) averting eye contact and turning away can be a sign of disbelief but it can also be a sign of discomfort, so it can very well be they are buying her story and are just really uncomfortable looking at her tell it.
3) they don’t all have to believe her. It’s possible for just a few to believe her and persuade the others.
Neither Rob nor I claim to know what the verdict will be nor do we claim to know the details of what happened between Johnny and Amber during every altercation. We’re just pointing out behavior patterns. That’s all.
This can go either way.
Thanks for watching 🤗
How do the jurors not get sick of Amber's attorney's asking witnesses the same question over and over? I get frustrated as an observer when they keep badgering a witness with the same question repeatedly.
isn't the behavior or body language of I/9 because of His deception or his Guilt (of having a connection with A.H) ???!!!
Thanks for the reminder that this can still go either way and always keeping it professional. Loved this video so much
Theory: she favours D & E because they're female, yes. But also because, since they're wearing masks, she can't read their faces. And she takes this blankness as a positive. Instead of rightly thinking "hm, I don't know how they feel about me," she ASSUMES they're smiling at her and pouting when she "cries." She's a narc, so her assumption that people like/love her is just part of her everyday routine.
Thank you for fitting these videos into your busy schedule. I am enjoying your channel and learning a lot. Love your guests and the support your throw their way!
I had a lawyer like Camille. It is agonizing sitting there with no voice, listening to the other person lying and trying to play victim.. having my lawyer get angry for me. Catch him in lies. Shut him down... I felt safe. It was so satisfying hearing someone else finally say the things I couldn't.
Same! Having an attorney that knows the truth and truly defends you like no one else has is a moment for survivors is such a great way to begin to deal with abuse.
Sounds amazing 👏👏
so glad you felt safe!!!
@@cecilylewis2598 definitely. I felt validated. I felt protected
@People Person I'm so sorry to hear that. Honestly, I did get lucky. I'd been to court with him a few times. He had the money, I didn't so taking me to court was a good way to start creating a paper trail (we have a kid together so that's why we had to go so much. I just wanted to be left alone). The first lawyer in the last case I got left me out to dry, but thankfully she was able to represent me for the remainder.
I hope you don't have to go through that again... Some people don't realize how terrifying it is to be up there, being grilled like that, even when you're telling the truth... You go blank. You panic. I can remember my kid's dad making those same smirks as amber. Faking those same tears on the stand. It's infuriating, but you also feel powerless. Especially if that person has the power to convince everyone else that they are right and you are wrong ..
I know my response is long. I'm sorry. I only say it to show that even though I was lucky with my lawyer, I didn't always have that support so I do empathize with your experience
"Camille sees something in Johnny that she wants to protect", and "she see's something in Amber that she wants to expose". Absolutely brilliant assertions. Extremely well said.
E Lizard your the best!!!
Johnny=client Amber=adversary Literally her job. Edit: human interest? agree
Johnny needs and deserves a strong woman like Camille not fake makeup queen Amber
@@naturalPaths You know the word empathy?
@@RalphVB Yep, that’s why I added “agree.” ;D
Those photos that Amber insisted on taking of Johnny when she claimed he was " passed out " from drugs or alcohol ( but actually he could have been passed out from exhaustion from working all day on a movie & then having to deal with her), but even if he was " passed out " from substance abuse, these photos do NOT make him look like the drug & alcohol crazed " monster " she was hoping. Instead in these photos , Johhny looks so vulnerable & all I feel is sadness that someone who was supposed to love him so much, took photos of him in such vulnerable postions.
Instead of protecting him which is her job as a wife. And she says she loves him!
Exactly this. If she really loved him, she would be trying to help and protect him, not taking pictures without his consent to show people what a bad person he is.
I be honest, the photo of him sleeping in the chair, I have slept like this at work for a power nap.
Yes.👐👐👐
She should of helped him and protected him as a wife, not take pictures! That's not love,that's humiliation!
It is disgusting to take these types of demeaning and vulnerable pictures. It also allowed her to create any narrative or claims she wanted. She took these type of pictures to hold over his head or get what she wanted. To me, those kinds of things show she had a "contingency plan", just in case he didn't want to put up with her behavior. Rejection & abandonment are the worst things you can do to a person like Amber. He was going to pay, if he ever wanted out... literally and figuritivly.
Her constantly looking at the jury was driving me absolutely insane, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was driving them crazy, too.
it's true the juror came out and said that made them feel uncomfortable
Attys coach witnesses to answer directly to the jury. The witness should never answer to the atty at that podium because the atty is not going to be the one who forms the final decision. The jury is.
@@donaholmes Yeah, so all the more reason for her to stop trying to manipulate them in her favor. Pro-Ambers keep trying to use this argument and it still doesn't make sense.
Very much like Jodi Arias.
@@donaholmes Yeah, and they coach to file false reports of DV to keep the kids..... The witness should trell the truth, full-stop.
When you said that Camille is "Johnny Depp's voice," I got so emotional. To have a woman defending him in this atrocity is probably so important to him.
Dude I'm straight up crying! Something in johnny she needed to protect and something in amber she needed to expose. Damn powerful words!!! X
Yes!! I think that's so true!
When they said Camille was his sword and shield, it reminded me how she looked in a white suit, literally like an Angel ready to defend Johnny. Also love how she’s soft spoken just like him, but she is in a position to stand up in a way Johnny couldn’t do on his own.
Definitely brought up the feels, that was a very powerful comparison. Camille did such a good job and Robs input is amazing!
I hear you.
Listening to you talking about Camille - as a woman, this is personal for a lot of women. We loathe women who lie at this level over these kinds of abuse, because too many women are genuinely abused, sexually, verbally and physically. If Amber is lying or exaggerating for a win, it makes it a thousand and more times more difficult for genuine cases to be heard and believed.
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Here here....
Women like this is part of the reason why other women aren’t believed when they come forward.
Exactly. The manipulation she is doing to convince people she is a victim is an insult to women who have actually gone through this.
I want to add, I'm extremely grateful that abuse towards men are shown as well. We have to start protecting our sons as well as our daughters.
"Clients choose attorneys that match their personalities..." Now that explains the obnoxious behavior of AH's team.
Absolutely!!! 👏
@Sarah
And it explains the remarkable behavior of JD’s team!❤️
So I don’t know if she got to pick her lawyers of not… but her home owners insurance paid the bills. Also I found out AHs lawyers are very good negotiation lawyers who specialize in defamation… so they have little to zero trial experience because they usually settle before trial… that’s very telling. Her case was so bad the best lawyers in the country who settle cases outside of trial couldn’t even come close to making that happen.
They are sure not worth $6000000 in fees. I can’t even stand the female layers voice.
AH is nuttier than squirrel shit….who poops on their husband’s bed? Any bed? That was just doing gross 🤮 and she’s created this havoc on her life.
I was domestically abused, no way would I antagonize him or call him a baby, tell him to suck my “d..ck”, that’s just not what someone that’s been beaten by a man does.
Amber was charged with spousal abuse in her last marriage to a woman (no judgements there) and had it removed from her record.
So true, I like Elaine but My God is she obnoxious.
The story of Johnny giving Camille a big hug after day 1 of cross-examination and her breaking down into tears and the whole "Camille see's something in Johnny that she wants to protect and she see's something in Amber that she wants to expose.", that choked me up and made my eyes swell a little bit. This has been a long time coming and Johnny finally got vindication.
Can we all just take a moment to thank Judge A for allowing this trial to be televised!
Can you imagine what the world would know if we had to rely on mainstream media for information about the trial? Having the trial televised has shown how bad mainstream media is. For some reason mainstream media continues to take Amber's side. The coverage of this trial has made it clear that mainstream media doesn't care about the truth. Fortunately we don't need the mainstream media to learn what happened.
Thank you Judge A.
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I think she really did want to be televised and to be on court
Judge A wanted complete transparency for this case which was of great interest to millions of people, many from foreign lands. Each person could make up their own mind and not depend upon mainstream media, social media, or written witness depositions that could have been carefully prepared or even edited by a third person.
I’m so grateful…. Imagine how much we could have missed if we couldn’t see her expressions and the fury in her eyes and her ridiculous body language and copying of his clothing.
I have never seen someone "cry" so much without shedding a tear. Smh.
Exactly ⚘️⚘️⚘️no real tears from her eyes. Such a tragedy she brought upon herself.
Counseling is for those who "admit" they need help & she keeps repeating lies. After a while no one will listen, she's already lost friends who know the truth🌼🌼
@@maryjaniejohnson7459 and her poor baby will turn out the same. Ughhh.
All of us r disappointed in her. Believe me. U r not alone. We can not believe her actions. Ik, we see it. I'm appalled, but who else is w me? Idk. But I'm w u on this, yes. We know she's lying. Ik, ik.
@@kareybarey13 Ok, who's the poor baby. Cause all the kids r grown up. Who r we talking abt? It's been said all over. Who is that, pls? We're not talking abt kids rt? Let me know cause idk. Thanks. Get back to me. I'd love it.
@@brookesun77 her baby she had via surrogate. That's what I'm talking about .. what are YOU talking about???
I’ve sat on two juries, the last as forewoman. Neither defendant looked at the jury box much. But when they DID, I didn’t like it whatsoever! As far as I’m concerned, jury members are witnesses in and of themselves. We’re there for the evidence, to parse the credibility of witnesses, to - hopefully - use critical thinking skills to come to the right decision. If I could say something to a defendant, it would be, “Don’t look at me. Don’t try to make eye contact with me. You’re not my friend. We aren’t here to ‘bond.’ Your looking at me feels inappropriate & manipulative, which isn’t exactly good for your case. When you’re on the stand, keep your eyes on the person with whom you’re interfacing. We the jury need to be dispassionate. So . . . STOP LOOKING AT ME!”
I totally agree! I’m on a grand jury right now and when witnesses look at me it’s so uncomfortable!!
I agree too. It's manipulative to do that, I think. It's like u want them to go along w what yr saying whether truth or not. No, u tell the truth. And she definitely isn't honest. Truth that to her, I say. She definitely got caught on more than one occasion lying on the stand. I mean, wow. Shldnt she be in jail? I'm just saying. But I completely agree with u, 💯.
I agree with you 100%, if she's truly a victim, she doesn't need to be working hard in convincing the jury. Unfortunately, she's one of those few women out there, no amount of love or money given to them, they will remain scorned, bitter and dangerous.
exactly..except maybe when they ask you to explain to the jury..
Agreed, however, very telling, and possibly making the jurors lives a little easier.
Camille is an inspiration not only to women who want to be lawyers, but people who want to heal from their abusers. Amber can't gaslight her. Camille is aware of her reality, and confident enough to point out when Amber is sidestepping her in the way she did with Johnny. What a remarkable woman and an inspiration for everyone.
Thank you!!! Well said!!
What struck a nerve with me, was the obvious switch in her demeanor immediately during cross examination. She'd literally go from bad acting, fake crying & turmoil to defensive AF...what happened to those sad feelings just moments before??? She's a real piece of work!
Amber Heard is a Serious schizoid!
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Fr fr 😅 she reignited my dream as a Hollywood actor 🤣🤣👍
That’s that BPD shining through
@@JadaHolley86
More like schizophrenic...or worse.🙃
I've been a volunteer advocate for survivors of relationship violence for over thirty years. I've created and co-facilitated peer support groups, lectured about relationship violence at three universities, and advocated for numerous individuals. Survivors do not act like Amber. Amber acts like an abuser, with serious narcissistic characteristics. She gaslights perniciously, a most insidious deceit. I think she's beginning to realize she's in deep yogurt.
I've never heard the expression "being in deep yogurt" and i'm definitely gonna use it from now on, thank you
I think the truth is they are both ridiculous and both probably narcissistic and both probably dope things and both probably just a hot mess.
And please hes on drugs like crazy you don't know what the h*** he does.
@@nope9905 How is drugs or alcohol really an argument anymore? They BOTH used a lot of it.
@@nope9905 and you don't know what the hell he does either. What's your point? Nobody knows.That being said I've watched 100 plus experts in everything under the sun that say she's being deceptive. Even the lady that trains the FBI on deception detection thinks she's lying.
When Rob spoke about Camille being an extension of Johnny and finally being able to be Johnny's voice in the face of his abuser, it really touched my heart. I'm a mother of three grown sons and during Johnny's testimony of his childhood, I just became so empathetic towards that five year old boy in him(and I'm Johnny's age!). I always look upon their "chemistry" solely as Csmille being in the defender, exposer, protector mode for him, not anything romantic. I subscribe to both of you. Thank you Law & Lumber Rob and Spidey 👌👌👏🏻👏🏻🙌🙌 I thoroughly enjoyed this collaboration!
Like a big sister defending their little brother
Absolutely! She's like his secret ninja sister no one knew Johnny even had and who has finally enough of that monster demeaning her brother. Back off my bro!!!
I agree, it’s like big sister love towards Johnny, playful, yet fiercely protective.
Exactly 😪🤧
When Rob said that I started crying. Utterly beautiful statement and sentiment.
One thing I find VERY telling after watching a lot of her testimony is she chooses to be emotional when she talks about Johnny accusing her of lying. She doesn't choose to get emotional when she talks about abuse. Not only are we missing typical emotional cues for someone recalling a painful memory, but when she chooses to appear emotional seems very telling.
When her reputation is being questioned she chooses to be emotional. Her reputation, how people perceive her is the most important thing.
The idea that she was abused is secondary in her mind which is why she doesn't choose to seem emotional when talking about her "abuse" experiences.
Exactly!!! I think that was the part that SHE BELIEVED was truly abusive toward her…so she honed in on any real feelings. The rest is conjured up…really poor acting.
Yup,,,,she's a liar and narcissist!!!!!!
It's definitely perfect that Camille did the questioning because it would look horrible for a guy, a male, to straight up call a woman a liar about being abused. Camille can, and DID, point out how stupid Amber sounds
Not saying that a lie is a lie is ungodly, but yeah, cross-sexual is kind of anti-birth which is a very bad culural whatever the heck this is
Yes, lawyers will always have a female question a woman regarding domestic violence. Very smart.
@@logan197777 very smart... Camille was also just brilliant too! A man would not have been received well though if he said the same things, asked the same questions, etc. The only thing I feel bad for Amber about is an audio recording that won't end up in court where her doctor is joking with the nurse about upping her Seroquel prescription after chopping off Johnny's finger. Doctors should not talk like that
I think a man would act smarter. Camille sounded overly aggressive, and sometimes it felt even theatrical which to me doesn't look smart, but judges are bored creatures, so maybe a bit of energy here and there seems like a better investment. All decisions are based on emotions.
Where did Amber's scrunched up sad face go? Remember she had it goin the first couple days of the trial, then she completely dropped it.
Camille was not agressive. She was steadfast. Elaine was the agressive one.
She did a wonderful job with not letting Amber Heard get away with obfuscation. She always drilled down to refuse to let Amber do the "act".
it means obscurring-hiding- the real meaning
What planet are you on?? In any other court room, that many objections would piss off the jury, showing them that this sketchy lawyer is desperately trying to hide the truth. A truly good lawyer would fight back with evidence. Not just attempt to talk over and interrupt the flow of the other. That’s pathetic. She’s pathetic.
@@PsychotropicThunder did you not see how bad Amber's lawyers were with jonny? Her lawyer even objected his own question...twice!
@@PsychotropicThunder I hope you're not referring the the amber heard redirect. The reason Camille kept objecting is because Elaine was trying to admit Amber's hearsay as medical evidence of her "injury documentation". Obviously amber isn't a medical expert, therefore she has no foundation to lay to justify using amber to enter that evidence. But she doesn't have another option because there is no doctor to call as a witness, since amber never received medical services.
@@PsychotropicThunder you suck at picking out lawyers... Hope you never need one. Truely clueless.... Which I guess is a good thing in this case
Big thanks to Rob and Ian for doing overnights just to give us feedback on the jury and courtroom vibes. Big thanks to Spidey for the video and analysis from this trial!!!!!
Please spend your one life wisely.
Yes thanks Rob & Runkle
ThNk you for your time and information, Rob!
A bunch of the LawTubers were hit by YT last night while streaming! Joe and Runkle both got hit!
@@wldncrzy1971 I heard that. Would love if someone could figure out exactly why, did alot of AH fans report the videos? Or something else
You can feel the warmth and protection Johnny’s team has for him. The amount of evidence they found against Amber Heard you can tell has pist them off. They are going hard on her! It’s amazing!
When you believe the truth
Yup I was thinking the same thing about how much they must of seen an heard. Things We know nothing about. I know that Tape of Her Laughing and Tell Him to suck her D*ck made me feel so Sick at first then it made me mad. There's NO way I would of talked to my Ex like that EVER. An I have Brother's I wouldn't want someone like her anywhere near them!
I started crying when you said about Johnnys attorney being his shield and sword. I think it’s not just Camille, it Ben Chu and all of them. They’re serving as his Armor and army as he faces the worst part of his life. I wish every victim having the privilege to have such excellent defenders.
no front at all : u are one uuuunstable individual if that makes you cry
So beautifully said ❤. I cried too. This was epic and I'm grateful to Camille, she was like an angel defending Johnny. This is something you can't buy with money
I agree wholeheartedly and it would be amazing if all victims could have this kind of defenders. One thing I would like to say is even someone as famous, rich and seemingly surrounded by security falls victim to the like of someone so full of hate, jealousy and aggression and a all round grifter. She is mentally unstable. The damage amber herd has done for all the victims men woman and children is sickening. How can anyone think they have a chance when you see how difficult it is to do so when you have the means. Justice for Johnny, Justice for all.
We’ve all wanted someone to be our shield and sword at some point in our lives. It was touching that she fought so hard for him.
@@dodge5570 you just don’t get it. sad for you.
I don’t know how I got myself caught up in watching this trial. I normally avoid watching others drama, and this case makes me feel kind of sick inside. Like I’m snooping into private lives… but the whole psychology and analyzing these peoples behaviors is teaching me a lot, and I find it somewhat fascinating. It’s like a what not-to-do and what types of people to avoid kind of lesson. Thank you for sharing the interesting analysis.
Me too, I'm not even into "celebrity" culture. However some vindication is in knowing that this is what Johnny Depp wanted, for people to see everything.
@@pianospawn1 we all feel a little guilty watching their private lives like that. at least we can try to stick to the point and be classy
@@kssgpv Um, no. Not everyone feels 'guilty watching'. I don't. What the hell for?
I agree with you. I also do not feel guilty, because these are public figures and they made it public anyway...
For me, this is a massive case study and I learned a lot from the law and psychology. And I am grateful for the opportunity.
I am learning so much from this too, i never thought I would have been watching this trial too
Impressed how much Rob watches the body language and how analytic he is - much respect!!!
He’s honestly better at it than a lot of analysts who have studied nothing but body language. I was blown away!
@@TheBehavioralArts That's a huge compliment coming from you!🤗
@@TheBehavioralArts dont interrupt impolite y know
@@ayx1567 it was a conversation, he is the body language expert. Some people always need to find something to whine about.
@@TheBehavioralArts it was such a fun discussion! I loved the back and forth!
You can 100% tell that Camille and Ben are so invested and want Johnny to finally get his justice. He isn’t just a client to win a case for. I think they have spent so much time with him over the years building his case for him and listening to all he has been through that they got to know who Johnny is
U know how much they got paid?! AlOt.
As a victim of sexual assault, and as the mother of a great man, I'm FURIOUS at women who fake assault. I wonder how personal this might be for Camille Vasquez.
Wow great question about Camille
I thought the same !
This is what happens when she try’s to tarnish his life.
SAME
This may not be personal for Camille but I do believe she is totally invested in getting justice for Johnny because she truly believes him and has probably had to comfort him as he relives all of memories he never should have had to endure xx
Robs voice quaked when he said as an attorney, and when your time comes “your that persons voice.”, I can see that he has a huge heart ❤️.
so much empathy ! a lot of true feeling!
When she keeps saying things like security "carried him like a baby" and other disparaging details, she is expressing disgust and indicating that she thinks it is pathetic. There is no sign of any "concern" that she claims to have felt.
It’s malice.
Yes! And she said it felt like his rock bottom?? Nice try
@@calmchaos6460 she will discover quite a bit. She will run through that 7M... She is box office poison, and she can no longer pay for all friends, family and her fuck buddies to "come up to P4 5 6 185.....its END GAME. Its very possible she will end up on the street.
Yes how she describes that it was weird when he cries and how people took care of him when he was at his worst I think she’s telling the truth she hated that she has no empathy
I think that he has certain trigger words from previous abuse too.
She knows them and used them because they’re not obvious to outsiders so she could trigger hiim, he would react and she could claim he was being unreasonable. The word ‘baby’ is one of them and it can be used in many different ways. As a term of so called endearment as well as an insult.
This case is so important on a broad worldwide scale. This shows the world how manipulative people are very dangerous and soul destroying.
Yup, imo leverage the social guise of an anglicized outlook on their demographic.
Those who go unchecked will abuse their lack of provision. It's human nature
The difference is I feel - Johnny is trying to finally tell his story. Amber is trying to convince people of her story.
Perfect summation! Couldn’t agree more! Yep
@@kathleencastle8631 he probably just wanted it all to be over and finally get away from her and when she wouldn’t stop with the defamation he chose to press charges
I could be wrong tho, not sure
“Johnny Depp is someone to protect“ and “amber heard is someone to expose“ Well said and is exactly why 1.3 million people tweeted #justiceforJohnny.
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Chhh Gave me chills too O.o
Yes! You know something the turd makes my skin crawl but I have to say part of me, small part feels a bit sorry for her. The woman's mentally ill she has zero impulse control because she's beating her spouse. And then screaming about it and basically blaming him for it. I think her career is virtually over. But perhaps like many other celebrities they go to rehab and come forward and announce they are now healed.
Mental illness is a real problem and it's in the Forefront in America right now. She could actually turn around and be a great spokesperson for mental illness at the end of all this. That is if she's the kind of person that will acknowledge her behavior and obviously then attempt to fix it because you can't change what you don't acknowledge. Anybody else think about that kind of thing with her?
Hearing that Camille broke down after questioning Amber really exposed how exhausting and physiologically draining dealing with Amber had to be for Johnny. Add in physical and verbal abuse, forced isolation from your own family and friends and anyone in his situation would take drugs and drink alcohol to get away from her. If after just a few hours Camille can have such emotion, just imagine what damage that would do to a person who had to deal with her for YEARS! Amber deserves all the hate she gets.
You’re right! It also show why her friends were so worn out.
Did the cameras show this? I did not see or notice. I may have missed it
I wouldn't make it with her. I barely make though a day with people
@@astrocriden1 In the video the guy says when the cameras stopped rolling and the court was wrapping up for the day. So no
@@astrocriden1 No, she tanked it until the cameras were off. This is testimony from the gallery.
AGREED 100%. Camille can’t be manipulated by Amber’s bullshit. She’s projecting Johnny perfectly with no reproductions. She is truly magical.
I actually rlly like Camille as a lawyer. I'm rather impressed. I'm not even impressed w Amber's lawyers. But Johnny's lawyers on the other hand. They're cool. I rlly like Camille. She's got it. She may need to back off a bit, but she's good. Go Camille😂. I love it, her work and how she is. Awesome. Good job Camille, no matter how this turns out. Jesus.
I thought that it was tactical move from their part to have Camille question Amber Heard.
JD's team is full of different people, men, women, of different ages.
They couldn't put a man in charge of cross examining Amber. They had to ask really invasive and personal questions, it would look bad if man grilled her about her SA story.
They could've brought in little bit older or just softer woman. like Elaine, who Amber clearly trusts. But I don't think soft approach would work with Amber.
Instead they bring Camille, who is young and beautiful and clearly close with Johnny. Amber sees Camille as her equal, or maybe even someone who is a bit intimidating to her. If Amber truly is bipolar or even a bit narcissistic, they can't handle someone being smarter or prettier or better liked than them. They will unravel.
I noticed when they questioned Whitney, Amber's sister, new female lawyer did the cross examination, she was really friendly and sweet and only asked her few simple questions. Later I started wondering if Johnny asked them to do this; Johnny knew that Whitney is Amber's victim just as much as he is, I believe JD still feels for her and wants to protect her.
My theory is that JD's legal team could have really grilled Whitney about the stair incident, but Johnny stopped it.
But these are just my thoughts and opinions, I don't know these people, who the hell knows what really happens between people behind closed doors 🤷♀️
This entity Amber is a demon! You can see it sometimes clearly in her empty eyes....
I absolutely love camille 💕🙏
I think you mean "repercussions"?
My body rejects Amber when she speaks! My sister and I have a borderline narc mom (diagnosed) and are consumed with this trial! It’s chilling to hear and see Amber on the stand and on recordings. I’m taking this trial personal having lived through this kind of abuse!
Same but I have a borderline narc baby mom. A lot of this has given me anxiety and bad flashbacks. It’s to relatable.
❤❤❤ sending you some love and strength.
Narc abusive ex husband... I can't listen to her testimony . I can take small clips but thats it. I listened to everything Johnny said.
I could only watch the first 30 minutes or so of amber heards day 1 testimony while live for this reason! I was under the care of my aunt for about 7-8 years (from 7 years old to 15), and the way amber spoke, her body language, it brought me right back to that bad place and I had a panic attack. I couldn't focus on anything, wasn't even able to read the comments because I was so trapped in my head... like I was that small again. It gave me SUCH a huge relief to know that others are seeing something off with amber too. It makes me feel like maybe I'm not making up/exaggerating things in my head, and that I had a real reason to escape. There might be a reason us former victims have a strong reaction to her.(amber h)
Same. And I’ve not experienced any of this.
If you've ever been in a narcissistic relationship, you know how incredibly rewarding it was to watch Camille NOT LET HER GO. So validating for JD. I'm so happy for him.
I had absolutely zero interest when this all first began, I never thought this would make me feel validated, heard, and not alone as a male who was hit, kicked between the legs, by a woman who has been in abusive relationships, and has done all this “self care therapy” which consists of Tiktok feminist, mental abuse to make me apologize for her hitting me, just disgusting things, mind twisting things.
@@nc240coupe im so sorry you had to go through that🤍
@@hughmungus431 I did see the abuse her ex put her through, I even actually had tuned him up a bit one night I had heard of it. However into my relationship with this female it had become apparent she was very much the instigator and abuser, which abuse is not justifiable at all, but I also see why she had abusive relationships, and in all honesty I forgive her, she needs therapy/counseling and it apparent by anyone who knows her, the problem is she is in denial and it’s all everyone else’s problem. Pretty twisted.
She's getting exactly what she deserves. People like her who lie about domestic/sexual abuse are sick and SHOULD go to prison. Those types of lies ruins the lives of their victims* and makes it harder for REAL victims to come forward.
I wish she would actually go to prison
Yup and just like his bodyguard/friend who passed away but is heard on tapes, said she was a spoiled brat. The woman has had no accountability for her actions walking around ruining people with her lies and abusing not just Johnny but her sister and previous spouse whom she was arrested and served a night in jail. But got her to recant later. Then getting caught in lies on the stand. Crying and no real tears. Wants her husband sober but tells him to bring wine and a joint. Does coke herself. Does she not know that addicts need zero tolerance to any drugs or alcohol. It was her controlling him like when he took his own shoes off and threw a fit. Too bad she couldn’t let well enough alone. He was trying to salvage a friendship and said he’d take care of her but she got greedy and hella vindictive.
I think anyone determined to be a sociopath needs to be put away somewhere, not necessarily punished but forced to live away from the rest of society. We lock up insane people who are a danger to others, whether they commit crimes or not. Sociopaths are a danger to everyone.
And do you think she will be charged and pay for this attempt to ruin an innocent persons life? Somehow I doubt it.
@@acegikm Mental health resources are slim, and narcissists and sociopaths do great harm to others. But I don't think they should be imprisoned. Not only is this not a crime - but would does not make them learn what they did was wrong- they would be blaming others. They should have to participate in a mandatory mental health deprogramming so they finally realize what they are, and finally be empathetic to others so that they don't harm again and finally empathically reflect on what they have done to their victims. Too much emphasis is put on putting people you don't like "in prison" - but there are ways to turn these bad people to different people.
I had a moment in the courtroom like Camille. Did a custody trial for a dad with three children who were in a bad situation with their mother. Got full custody for the father and supervised visitation for the mother. It was a sad trial. At the end of it I had an emotional moment in the courtroom and had to excuse myself for a few minutes in an adjacent witness room. Lots of emotion comes from that kind of tension and that kind of passion.
Don't ever lose that passion. It's so important and seems to be becoming a lost art.
It’s also weird that she was emotional during questioning from her attorney but from cross examination she wasn’t. Someone that’s usually gone through trauma would have the same emotional state through both types of questioning.
Same with her ex BFF Rocky. Completely dull talking to JD's team and then a sudden switch to fake crying with AH's team.
Probably more so. If you are genuine, feeling attacked or disbelieved is devastating
Yes totally agree!
Absolutely!
Good point!
What an awesome commentary. When you described Camille Vasquez as JD's shield and sword, a light turned on in my head. There is a Greek saying "Scratch a mother, find a tiger." I have had conversations with gentle women who are shocked at how fierce and unstoppable they can be. In Camille, we see the archetypal mother defending her child, and when we consider that both she and JD are gentle people, and JD's mother failed to provide safety, we see how a strong attachment can form. We also hear the archetypal mother in Camille's scolding of AH, which if she would just listen, is a gift.
*** I see a few people have made my post about God v no-God. I think one of the lessons of this trial has been how abusive it is to silence someone else's voice. So let's listen to each other kindly and allow everyone to have their truth. Let's make the space between us a safe place.
Certainly she has this wisdom from God .she is a 🎁 God bless her for be a good lawyer .all those hired her they feel protected cuz 100 % she take cases like she feel in her hearts. They are telling the true and accepted those kind of cases.
@@rosalainz2165 I love this. Reason is that earlier I was praying to God to protect Johnny because the two most important women in his life failed him. And now I just remembered that God uses PEOPLE, and that's how He's already doing it.
So well said. You should right a book with that as a title. I would read it. Very powerful concept to visualize.
I love that "scratch a mother, find a tiger" 💜
@@PatchaChel thank you for your encouraging words. Writing is something I enjoy xx
I totally get Camille’s final reaction after questioning Amber. Not only is she absorbed in defending her client to the best of her ability but, her professional skills and reputation are aired worldwide and therefore are at stake. This trial is going to be studied, for years to come, at and by many law schools; this is huge in terms of how the justice system works and how people’s behavior can break or make a person. I can imagine that psychologists and psychiatrists are having a field day.
You overvalue two weird abusers' inability to break up in two hours not many years
I agree. It dawns on me, Miss Heard can be verily disqualified because of her discrepancies during her testimony. I don't think this trial meets the threshold to become a jurisprudence case. There is nothing special about this case. Fortunately, the truth is coming out. I salute Mr. Depp for his resilience throughout his life with Ms. Heard, and the ongoing trial. I wish justice will prevail.
@#PrisonForJohnnyDepp honest question, how do you believe Amber Heard and condemn Johnny Depp?
I’ve been watching The Behaviour Panel 3 & 4. Everyone following the case should watch them both.
Just made a similar comment! You are spot on, camille is masterful in the courtroom.
One of the most concerning things about Amber's testimony was after playing the audio of her telling Johnny that she had not punched him, and she didn't know the position of her hand but she was sorry that it wasn't a proper slap, and that it did not hurt and he was not hurt! In that audio you could hear her literally gaslighting him by telling him that what he had experienced he didn't experience and that the pain that he had felt he had not felt. When Camille was questioning her about this she literally tried to Gaslight the jury into believing that what she had said she had not said. At that point, for me, she became completely unbelievable as a witness.
Very astute observation I couldn't have said it better.
There are tens of hours of recordings that weren’t admitted into court….. it’s so fucking disturbing and she destroyed him mentally and tortured him while taking pleasure in it. She admitted to setting him up and not being able to not attack him. She admitted to a LOT….. I can see why they wouldn’t let it in being that it would sway the jurors immediately upon them hearing it. Truly vile.
Spot In. Telling him that a hit or slap didn't hurt......😂
As a woman who supports female victims of abuse, it is so hard for me to believe Amber Heard. I feel as if I am watching a Soap Opera Daytime TV Show with a very bad actress who is over-acting. In other words, it's like watching a Drama Queen. Intuitively, I do NOT feel believable 'vibes' of trauma due to domestic abuse, from Amber. She is unbelievable.
that's the whole problem - she's acting. it's all an act. and a bad one. there are so little genuine emotions you would expect from a person with trauma.
100% agree with you. Feel the same way. Like watching a lousy actress audition for a B-movie. Trying too hard to show emotion and visibly over acting = being dishonest.
Drama Queen that is the best description of her. She is the embodiment of that.
She's unbelievable yes :D
She had been caught in so many lies you don't have to try to read her vibes... just listen to the recordings and then her own lies in the court.
What Rob says is exactly the reason why I chose to become an attorney in litigation practice, to speak for those who can't speak for themselves. I did and still do a fair bit of pro bono work because of this reason. There has to be this sense of justice and fairness to essentially be a good attorney in my opinion.
Regardless of the comments we get as attorneys, the good ones always remember why they do what they do!
That is so nice of you♥️
Thank you for your service!
I just need someone to point out the crying without tears, without redness in the face. I’ve never seen a person try to fake an ugly cry as poorly as she did in this trial on so many occasions.
A lot of people are pointing that out.
Lots are - including Johnny’s lawyer in closing arguments talking about testimony from Amber’s acting coach about her acting crying.
And in their divorce meet up in San Francisco ...as soon as he put down the phone to his lawyers she started with the whining, wheedling and fake crying. I think at one point it mustve worked on johnny cos hes an empath but not anymore. Shes a nasty manipulative piece of work. I wish I was in the slug n lettuce e in Sheffield sunday night.😭😭😭
I was extremely satisfied with her pointing it out during closing arguments. Up until then- in court - I hadn’t seen anyone pointing it out and it’s been bothering me through the entire trial. 😂
Amber Heard literally wiped her eyebrows when she fake cried. Watch the clip, it's terrible acting.
She's smart enough to know all the damage she did, he could have sued her for...he had to turn the tables quick- set him up to make Johnny look like he was the bad guy. It's the perfect narcissistic projection story. All the claims are actually "what amber did" to Johnny, plain, simple. You both said the things i felt and saw. I literally cried during much of the trial...especially after Camilles ending statements. So emotional.
I would feel so uncomfortable as a juror if a witness tried to lock eyes with me constantly. I feel like it ok to glance at them every now and again but it feels to me that she is desperately trying to control what she can instead of admitting to herself she doesn’t have any control here.
I know.
Oh my gosh, ditto. I keep saying that. If I were a juror, I would feel so uncomfortable with her continuing to try to lock eyes.
So true!
I wonder if she was maybe told to talk to the jury, to kind of pull them into her story, and it is a bit of a labour for Ms. Turd. If so, that was bad advice, it's bombing out.
I live in small county with a small jury pool, so am called every 13 months. I've been on multiple juries, and I have to say, I find it very uncomfortable when anyone involved looks my way. I don't even like the attorneys coming over for closing arguments. I want to feel like I'm an objective observer of the whole thing, so breaking that invisible wall and looking into the jury box feels like an unnatural attempt to suck me into the action. It has kind of a used car salesman vibe. There are a few people where it is obvious that's just how they communicate in a room. They aren't consciously doing it. But those are very few.
She wasn't this emotional 6 years ago, she seemed pretty aggressive and annoyed and smirky during her deposition back then while being interviewed in a room, now she's so emotional, knowing she has a huge audience, not just the people in the court room but the jury and those watching through the media. As they explained it, as much as she tries to look emotional it still comes through as aggressive.
Her behaviour has changed before and after her week away, she's more sassy and aggressive now but was initially emotional, without any tears
Her emotions seem too forced.... to be real
Her earlier deposition is biting in her back..aggression ,eating and talking with food in mouth and smirking and all those low class behaviour..
So she is now trying to play underdog
Jurors saw that tape too.
Not crying in 2016, the year of your divorce, but crying in 2022, 6 years later, seems contrived to me too. When hurt is fresh, you cry. When the hurt is older, you've had time to reflect, crying should be minimal.
Idk why I love that he pointed out Camille’s nerves and her settling herself but it is the most adorable and admirable thing in the world. She knew this moment was paramount and she was able to soothe herself, stay strong, and deliver a phenomenal cross. I love her.
That’s a amazing, I thought the same, Camille and the rest of Depps legal team are absolutely killing it!
The genuine protective and nurturing aura that Camille gives off is so satisfying to see. She is exactly the kind of support that Johnny needs.
Can’t blame the jury for disconnecting with Amber. It’s creepy how she always abruptly shifts her gaze to the jury for the answer and whips back to her counsel for the next question. It really didn’t feel like she was seeking empathy. It still reeks of arrogance and aggression. I’d look away if I were the jury! 🤪
Exactly. The difficulty is that they need to watch her, to determine if she's telling the truth. But how can you, when she is staring at you? Even when she is not speaking, she does it. When the lawyers approach the judge, is the worst time. She scans them constantly, looks away, then does it again & again. They must feel so uncomfortable. She even smiles at one of them occasionally, so she is definitely trying to connect with them & it shouldn't be allowed.
@@gaysy1st she's so naturally unlikable uncomforting and creepy
If you watch her. Not only is she seeking empathy but she *naturally* has a lot of arrogance and aggression so she's basically fighting between all those feelings. She also is trying to manipulate the audience and keep control of herself etc etc etc. She has a lot going on.
Yep. Exactly the way someone with a personality disorder acts!
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Look… I’m going to be honest…. Listening to Amber is like listening to nails on a chalkboard…. This is exactly how crazy I felt dealing with my narcissistic mother… The way this case has emotionally messed with my head…. I cannot.
Same here!!
Same! Listening to Amber actually affects me in a negative way- I had to stop listening several times and walk away.
Same. I fast forward her.
Yes definitely find myself nothing short of triggered throughout...and at the same time highly invested in the outcome just for that reason. I take breaks often and go between processing resurfacing thoughts/emotions/experiences and just thinking of nothing at all
Its weird i felt that too.... When She Talk ,its like my body and mind reject it... I have to mute her many times.
How stupid does she think people are? She’s on tape admitting to hitting Johnny, on tape mocking Johnny, on tape telling him nobody would believe him, and she thinks we are just going to hear that and then disregard it because she says “I could never hurt Johnny”?
I like the penthouse bed picture. They wrecked the whole penthouse, needed a knife to destroy the bed and they forgot to hide it before taking the picture so you can see the damn switchblade ON THE BED lol
She is not out of the barn yet... long way to go..poor girl
I had a job in a library where i had to cofront people eating. Talking or being in the phone. I would see them . When i would speak to them would deny. Even the they knew i saw. "No i didn't "
With today's civilization there's no telling. Even with all this evidence there's big possibility they will let her off, especially since she went and literally pulled a baby out of the hat, just grasping at anything to help her look better or give her an advantage. Her having a baby now and with being a new mom will have leverage. They won't want to see a single mother sued and go broke and she knows that. And yes i do honestly believe she is that messed up to do something like that. Master manipulator.
Yes... that's exactly what she thought.
I found it odd that she was even looking at the jury at all, and immediately was a problem for me, and I cannot understand that move and to me looks desperate and is almost fishing for support. I wasn't sure what to think about much until I believe she totally revealed herself when she was called to the stand and this ensued.
Honestly it was embarrassing, maniacal, aggressive, and there was very little I could trust that came out of her mouth. Stop looking at the jury for every answer you give Amber. Stop. It is incredibly nauseating.
What is even worse is she is allegedly a "professional actor", and nothing felt genuine or honest, ans because of that, the weight of my reaction was amplified against her when nothing added up or made logical sense. It felt like a child with chocolate all over their mouth, is explaining all the reasons they couldn't have eaten the birthday cake from grandma, and double down by crying and begging w/ crocodile tears and then an immediate switch to anger when there is no other place to go and boxed in by the truth.
I am an abuse survivor and work with domestic violence victims and one of my roles is to act as a victims advocate in court. I accompany the victim to court for support in their testimony or in some cases I will have to speak on their behalf. And in my over 15 years of attending hundreds of court proceedings, I have never ever seen a real domestic violence victim constantly looking at anyone else let alone a jury in the court room especially, when recounting their abuse stories. They will often look down or their eyes will will not focus on anything if their head is not pointed downwards. They are too traumatized to even be sitting there recounting their abuse stories to let alone look at anyone or want anyone to look at them.
So, as soon as I saw Amber's testimony, it only confirmed for me what I already suspected, Amber Heard is no victim of domestic violence. She is the abuser here. And she is a disgrace to all real domestic violence victims no matter the gender. #JusticeForJohnnyDepp
Yes 🙌🏼 #JusticeforJhonnyDepp 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
It's disgusting, she looks so sure of herself. Someone who could put themselves in the shoes of a victim just knows how impossible is that to happen, even if she has the right to act like that because she was abused, but that doesn't matter because she dind't even seem like she was saving it up since long, we have that video of the cabinets and she dind't look a bit scared
THIS! THIS!
#amberturd
@@ketokeko when I was going through my hell, the VERY last thing I’d do is rile my perp up! It blew my mind when they played the audio of AH taunting JD…I literally felt my heart jump in my chest…that sharp adrenaline rush… I could picture her getting in his face. Damn that woman lying, using our torture to get attention and destroy an American icon.
Robs description of the jury is honestly giving me faith that they’re going to properly side with Johnny Depp. I was so scared that the jury would be blinded by heards lies but it seems like they can see right through her act
AMEN to that 🤍
They aren’t gonna be able to rule in Depps favor and award him 50$ million … Just not gonna happen
Even though she’s an ass clown
We’re all hope for that!❤️
Wow watching this video made me cry. Hearing about how the Jury reacted to Amber’s offensive testimony just gives me hope. People like Amber need to see this…to know that you can’t just pretend to be a victim! People will feel it!
Me too! I have tears of joy and gratitude for the insights and hopeful truth recognized by the jury.
She will suffer with a great career loss for being a evil liar
@@DanielleSamoneJohnson77 Always believe in justice baby!
Amber is watching all videos and reading all comments about her. She will read this. Hello Amb’ 🖕👋
If AH see this post, I'm afraid that she will take in the comments and act better next time 😅😅😅
Her arrogance and bullying nature shows when she refuses to give a straight yes or no answer and goes on embellishing her answer and overtalking camille.
Totally agree, to a point where it's so downright CRIMINAL!
It’s funny, the “proof” she has of absolutely anything, hasn’t been admitted to evidence. I’m almost 1000% sure, lawyers wouldn’t withhold vital evidence 🤷♀️
The only reason her “strongest” evidence wasn’t submitted was because she had tampered with, augmented, and EDITED every last image.
Regardless, she’s thrown her own lawyers under the bus and has lost the case. I’m so happy for Johnny and excited for his win!!
That's one of the many reasons this case throws me off. She testifies that she produced every record and photograph, that allegdly proof all of the physical abuse.
And yet, not one of those "many" were officially submitted to the jury.
Sure, some were, but according to her testimony it should have been a shitton more. And the ones that were shown were, frankly, not really convincing. Like the ones that were submitted to the jury, were either weeks old (allegedly, again) or an exageration of the lighting.
Like, there is nothing about black eyes, broken noses, scars, holes. Nothing that severe. She took photos of everythign related to Depp and his escapades, but she didn't find the time to take photos of her oh so serious injuries after several weeks, or when they were nearly healed? That doesn't sit right to me.
Also the fact that she didn't get medical attention. Sure, for some bruises, you might just choke it up and put some makeup on. For a make-believe string woman and actress, I assume there is something more to her than most other abuse victims, right? But why the hell wouldn't she get treatment for a believed broken nose. An injury that couldn't even be captured hours later on a gala meeting by paparazzi? No shot.
I can believe that she probably got hit by stuff (be it herself or really JD). And maybe (!) JD DID hit her once or twice. But to the extreme extent she blows this story up? No way in hell this happened.
Exactly... I can't believe Camille didn't flat out ask her if it was her testimony that she believes her lawyers are withholding evidence from the jury that would prove her testimony to be true & where are the ring marks/imprints that would've most definitely been left behind after even the smallest contact... none of those "bruises" have anything close to reassembling a ring of any shape...
@@tatemitchell1479 Even the evidence she submitted was heavily tampered with. Like the supposedly shot with different lighting, were actually the exact same picture with different saturation. People have put both photos through photoshop and it matches, pixel for pixel.
A bee 🐝
Hearing Camille be brought to tears after cross examining Amber is making me tear up myself. I absolutely love Johnny and his team during this trial and I hope that Camille is proud of herself no matter the outcome.
I teared up
log13_: Agree a thousand fold - Camille seems like a really caring soul & totally brilliant in her field...............
Yeah that made me a bit emotional too. Must’ve been a beautiful moment.
When someone in an interrogation or on the stand resorts to, "I 'could' never 'hurt' him/her", I see it as an admittance of guilt. Jodi Arias "could never hurt" Travis, but she could certainly stalk him, steal from him, vandalize and break into his property, then kill him 3 different ways and leave him in his own shower to decompose. But she "could never hurt him". This is guilty, minimizing language.
Exactly.
Nice references 👌 I could Never hurt you is said by murders.. especially of love/lust crimes ... just a random girl who watches way to much true crime lol xx
Ooohhhh facts. I dnt think I've ever said that. I'm learning, keep teaching.
@@pattihiggins1079 YES.!!!!!!!!!!
@@pattihiggins1079 and Camille is our Juan Martinez ... taking it right to Amber Turd and not letting her get away with her BS.
Wow Spidey what a GREAT guest this attorney was… He is so professional, so intelligent, oh and not too bad to look at 😂😂😂… love love love this episode ❤
Camille was so passionate for her defense of proving Johnnys innocence… it moved me to tears several times watching this trial 😢
I'm absolutely loving these breakdowns. Not just a statement or conclusion, but a guide on how to spot these things ourselves.
Agree, Rob is fairly perceptive. Just a few hours ago, I posted a comment on another AH / JD video where i made the exact observation regarding AH scanning the jurors for sympathy and cornering a specific cluster within the jury.🧐 i would've accused Rob of stealing my observation 😋😊🤣😂 if it weren't for the fact that i think this video might have been created before my comment was posted and he was literally at the court room. Nice to see my observations validated 💯i also just subscribed to Rob's YT channel.
Haha that's what Iv said about the whole thing. This is some good education how people behave and think.If just 1 man escapes this toxic kind of relationship or 1 woman decides not to use her sexuality to try to destroy someone , then it was worth it. I just hate the setback she has caused in helping women and understanding what they go through when this is real. She's made a whole world joke about abuse. And these things stick
i have a tell, it's a smirk. Like my ears start pulling the edges of my lips apart.
Wow, yeah, imagine being a juror and realizing that AH is lying and you’re losing weeks of your life that you can’t get back because of her lies. I would give her nasty looks too
Yeah. When she just completely ignores Camilles question "Is that a yes?" and interrupts her and carries on. I'm glad they are smart enough to know that's a clear sign she's lying. I would completely ignore her if she did that in front of me too. They probably just wanted to hear her admit it and say yes, all she did was ask "So you decided to take a picture of Mr. Depp on the floor?" That question in itself doesn't need a defensive answer so she sounds like a fool being so defensive over a yes/no question.
Those jurors are not waiting their time. They are doing the work to set something right. Justice for Johnny comes from those jurors. I'm no religious person. However if there are sacred things, jury duty is one of them
I used to be a juror and I honestly despised it when the criminal would constantly look at us to see our reactions.
I felt sorry for the jury
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Hearing about the jurors body language, it makes so much sense now that she booked it out the courtroom after getting off the stand before the jury was even dismissed. She was angry at them just as much as she was at her attorneys and johnny and his attorneys. She knew her lawyers were losing and everyone else was hostile towards her position, including the spectators
that explains why she bolted out.
Think you are right. She's pissed off because she thought she was convincing
I must have missed that! Was it right when she got off the stand?
@@skwerl81 yes it was. The judge asked her to take a seat next to her attorney's and she bolted for the door behind the judge. As she was walking towards the door the Judge said, "okay ladies and gentlemen, let's take our a break." You could tell AH was livid.
@@skwerl81 judge told her to go over to her team, so the jury could leave. Amber walked past them, veered left and out the door
I had an awesome lawyer once. She had a cop completely contradicting himself on the stand destroying his case against me. She was a former prosecutor and I was one of her first defense clients so the rates were reasonable. She was the goat imo. We actually won the case based on the Ascoff precedence. A ruling that came down the day before my trial. It was ruled my right to a speedy trial was violated. Had that ruling not come down we were winning anyway
This trial triggers me in so many ways and I can’t stop watching, even when it hurts deep down in my soul. Thank you, both of you, for this fantastic and wholesome analysis. I literally burst into tears by listening to Camilles reaction at the end of day 1 of the cross examination. Yes, I feel that. So proud, that a woman like her protects a man, that was so deeply hurt. May this trial be a blessing for the world and brings more attention to real equality in our society.
I couldn’t sleep for a few nights the second week after listening to Amber not because I believed her but because I recognize that abuser in her- And it’s been over 40 years since anything like that happened to me
I had flashback nightmares after this week. I don't know why, because I really feel she is a fake, but I guess just hearing someone talk about it makes my subconscious think about memories from decades ago.
Exactly. I’m stressed. I’m a survivor of abuse. And this lady is full of sh#%!!! I’m so angry and triggered. If one person believes her, it’s one too many.
This whole case is hopefully making people aware that men are victims of DV, too. I’ve been in situations where my partner was hitting and attacking me, and herself at times. And when I called, every single time the police tried to make it like I was the one who attacked her and just called the cops so I could get ahead of it. That shit infuriates me. I had all kinds of scratches on my neck was bleeding and had a busted lip. And when I got her off of me to get away, they tried to turn that on me and say I hit her. My partner had battery and DV charges on her record and yet they still treated me like I was the suspect and even worse like she was the victim. This was years ago and I’m still pissed about that.
So sorry this happened to you, it must have been horrible to be treated like you were the abuser. This case will bring light into DV for sure.
I can understand your frustration.
If I were a guy and that happened... Id be pissed off too.
*WHY* cops/people seem to assume that the men are the only person capable of abuse is beyond me.
There are lots of crazy cray women..Im sure that inflict damage to themselves and blame the guy or not and they see scratches and stuff on both but assume its the guy.
I used to have a friend that when sitting next to her boyfriend... She would either slap or punch his one arm with her fist/hand over a remark or something he would say...
She would hit at him and say either... Oh shut the feck up... Or Shut up.. *** you weren't there... Or .. Shut the feck up. You dont know any fecking thing. Zip it.
Oh my lords Id get ticked and say... You can stop hitting at him and keep your hands to yourself.
We couldnt get thru one game of Uno or Trivial Pursuit without her using him as a punching bag as Id call it. She thought it funny.
I said its not... Is it ok if he hits at you ?? She said Id feck his ass up if he tried. Literally HATED seeing that. Every.time.
I distanced myself from them...
Later found he left her soon after.
I’m so sorry you had to deal with a person like this. It also comes with the man being a more fit parent for children, since toxic women sometimes get the kids instead of their good dads.
@@anitajinfla9762 not all cops believe it just women. I have friend who is officer. He said it 50/50. You just don't hear about men getting abuse
I'm so sorry! My brother went through the same thing. His wife was very abusive, instigate arguments, couldn't leave the room for space, accusations, jealous. Arguments so bad he would black out if not knocked out. He woke up one time with her choking him he pushed her off him, she called the police then she cut herself and said he did it, bc she reported him they had to take him even though she was the abuser. While one officer truly believed him the other basically made fun that a woman beat him up and the whole station accusing him of being a wife beater. For sanity sake ... your own sanity do not stay around a person like this! No one expects you too! No one deserves this treatment or abuse! This is not love
I don’t think I could have handled being a juror in this case. I would have run out of the room screaming because I couldn’t stand all of Amber’s lies and her self-righteous attitude!
If you feel like that I bet more than one juror does also. They're not stupid.
i have exactly the same thoughts
I was thinking the same thing today. But honestly after watching this on UA-cam it's put me off having a relationship with a woman again.
If I was a juror, I'd be like...."We're ready to deliberate now, judge!!!"
What I don't understand how anybody thinks it's actually possible that these jurors are not seeing any news and they're not talking to anybody who discusses the trial like unless they keep them hold up in a hotel under watch for I247 how does anybody believe that that's really possible?
Watching this after having stood criminal trial and then winning the largest civil federal lawsuit I have learned so much about my own testimony. When I was getting ready to testify in federal court my attorney did NO prep with me ahead of time. On the day I testified my attorney went like this “Miss KELLEY do you remember January 9 1998? I said yes and he said “tell the jury what happened beginning from that night. Then my attorney just stood there and I began telling my story of years of stalking and abuse. Watching this I realized some things. I don’t remember actually looking at the jurors. I simply remember staring straight ahead and for two days I told every single event. Truth is I couldn’t look at the jury while I was testifying to horrific events my family and I endured. I was embarrassed to have to tell people “yup this was our life daily for years “ cause who lives through constant harassment and stalking. I’d love to know what spidey and Dave would think of my testimony on the stand. I guess it went ok. My attorney Leonard Kesten won Lawyer Of The Year for my case. And we won the largest federal civil lawsuit ever recorded by judge Young.
As a 15 year veteran Superiour Courtroom Clerk, I am loving this. Camille is doing great and really getting under Amber's skin. I keep waiting for Amber to break and loose her shit. Amber's performance in court is so telling and so fake. Would love to hear your take on Amber's BS reaction when Johnny was approaching the stand & she backed away like she was so scared. I am a bit suprised that she lets her run on with her answers but at the same time she could be letting her hang herself with her own BS. I have also NEVER seen a witness, especially one who purports to be a victim, look at and play to the jury so much.
AH thinks she's a fantastic actor...I auditioned for that part, I got that part myself. The jury can tell AH is lying and are tired of her fake actions and responses.
Loved your comment and I thank you for it.
Johnny for Win Win! UK🇬🇧.
I'm only seen Amber look rattled when they talked about her potential salary.
You shld watch the Jodi Arias trial - she also turned to talk directly to the jury! If you look at footage of police interview/arrest etc it's another case of lies, lies & more lies from start to finish.
Right?? Why does she need to look at jury every single answer? If she had some truth in her she don’t need exaggerate her facial expressions at then wich Isn’t natural anyways
She'll never understand how bad she fucked her whole life up from her lies. She'll forever blame other people. She could've had such a great successful happy life, but she couldn't just help herself.
She is mentally unwell. As much as I hate her, I think her psychoses guaranteed she would get herself into a situation like this. It's why she has no close friends, all her Instagram posts are of her alone, or with her baby that she paid someone else to have. She needs serious psychological help but her narcissism means she never believes anyone who points out a serious flaw
In 20 years we'll have another 'Mommy Dearest' being released from Ambers' daughter.
yeh she'll go back to stripping because Hollywood is done with her !
@@staceyy6064 That's so, so sad. I wished someone saved that child.
You are right people will blame others, I think that there's someone who gave this dummy a dumb idea to create stories so she can make some money or sympathy, fame etc. However somehow it just didn't work as planned coz JD didn't stay quiet and stood for himself and his entire career. After all he achieved in his life he wouldn't want to retire in bad note. JD is clean, it's very evident.
I've been a follower of statement analysis for several years now and from my laymen's pov, there are so many red flags with AH's testimony. The "I could never", the "that's preposterous", the "I would NEVER" and etc are all unreliable denials. She COULD never .. but she doesn't say "I did not". As an actress she doesn't have trouble saying her version of my what Johnny did, but when it comes to her actions/inactions, there's so much verbal leakage it's insane. Awesome video gentlemen! I am thoroughly enjoying your commentary!!!
It's like in the Chinese dramas, when the villainesses kill a lot get caught and say I'm innocent and I wouldn't dare! Trying to put one over us.
(Time stamp 18:43 ) I felt the same and immediately flashed to Mr. Chew during his closing rebuttal. I was listening to the arguments while playing a game and my heart broke. I immediately switched over to the video when I heard his voice change. You could hear how sincere his hurt was. He took a moment to compose himself, because he knew it wasn't about his feelings, and he wanted them to know that. He didn't want to "put on a show." His emotion was real. His sorrow for what Johnny had gone through, knowing that Johnny's fate was now in the juries hands and he could do no more... heart breaking😔
As a DV survivor, the turtle response makes sense and I still do that when I remember what happened... I feel physical disgust seeing what AH is doing.
Yep, Turd is damaging the credibility of every future victim of actual DV with her gold digging, clout chasing plan. Utterly disgusting.
Yes. We all do. What she does is dominate, even in her "retelling" of what happened. As survivors, we were being dominated. And, PTSD is always reliving it, not just retelling it. She can't hide that she feels self-righteous and entitled to her outrage, a sign of her cruelty and validation of who is the actual abuser.
I’ve been constantly tearing up while watching this trial. I know what JD felt, and the worst is that he wanted to move on and she wouldn’t stop abusing him even after the divorce. Narcissists never let go of their “possessions”.
Same here. It feels like shes damaging the credibility of real female DV victims. The sight of her makes me feel sick. She is a vile human being.
Yes, me to!
This video wasn’t long enough! This is the most fascinating discussion I’ve seen about this case so far. Thank you both, and please do it again!
Agree!!
When she decided to expand on “why she took these pictures” and was scanning the jury furiously, you notice once she tells her tale and gets zero reaction (per what Rob said) she gives this smirk of don’t care if you believe me or not. it’s very condescending towards the jury. She seemed irritated not getting the confirmation she was striving for from the people she felt she was performing for.
She does smirk a lot and seems very condescending. If I were in her place and these things had happened to me, I would be desperate for people to hear me and understand. Even in the divorce trial, she acted like a sulky teenager instead someone distraught that her marriage was over. Or even neutral that the supposed “love of her life” had disappointed her. I can appreciate that if she had gone through what she’s alleging, she might just be angry at him, but she seems angry at the jury and the attorneys and everyone for inconveniencing her.
Can you please give the timestamp?
Her staring at the jury talking like she does is something I haven't seen in all of my life watching true crime documentaries. It seems most people on the stand will look at the jury ever so often, but not blatantly stare and reply to the questioning to them directly. It's like she's on the set of a movie and she's playing the victim.
This has to be one of the oddest trials I've watched
You are so RIGHT! Her condescending & approval seeking courtroom behavior seems pretty consistent with what we've heard about her out in the world...in life. She feels that she is a waaaay bigger star than she is. A true liar & narcissist. Dr. Curry hit the nail on the head.
And that right there is her entire life’s schtick!!! She really has that much confidence that we all couldn’t see it! It’s so bad she could actually have decent lawyers and we would still see through her.
"she has a misconception/delusion of how effective she is...."
That's the understatement of the year!
When the photo was shown of Johnny passed out, I was shocked that anyone would do that. How could anyone show someone they supposedly loved in such a weak, vulnerable position? How much disdain and disgust must be in your heart to rob someone of their dignity by documenting their dissipation. You’d have to feel total and utter contempt to do that. Yet she kept professing how much she loved him. She didn’t.
And now it’s clear that the prescription medications he used could have caused those on-the-nod situations as opposed to drug abuse.
Really? You have obviously never been closely related to or married to someone who is an addict or alcoholic. When they’re denying they did something and you know otherwise, you like to be able to prove it to them.
Edit: She and Johnny both were toxic in this relationship. Idk how anyone could side with one over the other.
She's a gross human
Really mean. Documenting abuse on her was 1 thing.
But the pictures she took of him, so evil & unnecessary
Her "abused" pictures would b the only thing needed 2 prove her abuse. Obviously she doesn't have any because it didn't happen.
You can tell she gets off on talking about how he had to be carried "like a baby" and have his clothes changed as she has gleefully recounted multiple times on the stand. Despicable.
This was my first thought as well! It reminds me of a pre-teen slumber party where kids draw on their sleeping friends’ faces and take pictures. Might be acceptable in a 12-year-old …
Insanely good video, Rob is now a litigator, woodworker and behavior analyst all in 1,Spidey can't wait to see your full analysis, keep up the good work
It's pretty entertaining to see him start a UA-cam channel, with his first video getting close to 1 million views, and already hitting 100k subs himself. Rob deserves it.
@@crashboredom2 yeah, he rocks, there's no coincidence there at all
@@crashboredom2
He certainly nailed that wooden-bed story to the floor.
Agreed. Rob "the great observer"
Last night in Nick show we learn Rob also brew is own beer.
This was so interesting to me. When I testified before a grand jury during the indictment of my abuser, I don't recall ever seeing the jury. I was focused on the prosecutor and her questions. I do remember hearing an audible gasp from the room when the photos were shown, but I don't think I ever looked up. I felt like this whole attempt of Amber's to catch the jury's attention seemed strange.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I hope you are doing great now!
She's acting and spewing lies, her main objective is to convince the jury so she gets the money
@@W-G You're a sweetheart
I’m so sorry you had to go through that. ❤️ But thanks for sharing, your courtroom experience confirms why we all feel AH is lying.
Your response makes total sense to me. Her relating directly to jury seems like she is trying to convince them of her story rather than remembering what happened to her.
Yay! A video on this from Spidey!!!! I noticed her eyes scanning the jury, trying to see if anyone was connecting with her. I’m 100% sure that if she found that person, she’d have locked on and begged them with her eyes to believe her. I’ve seen abusers at work many a time, lying through their teeth with their great big acts
Based on my experience as a social worker: When the clients emotions are real you want to move towards them and connect with them, empathize, etc. When the clients are acting it creates discomfort and you want to move away. I feel so uncomfortable watching her forcing and faking emotion!
That's exactly what I have experienced with victims of domestic violence. Sometimes if the story seemed outrageous I would be pulling back and very clinical so to speak, trying to ascertain is this person genuine or is this person pumping up the narrative. Once I began to trust in what this person was saying, you're right, I leaned forward I tried to look comforting and understanding which is easy because I've been through it, and then I would be able to get the whole story. When I had women in my office who were angry at the abuse, they didn't look away and act all put-upon, they looked at me with a combination expression of can you believe this would happen and total hurt that it would happen.
Social workers should be able to identify lies and false emotions easily
Me too but I also wonder if that’s because I go into it believing she’s guilty. What about the people that dobt
I did as well
Social worker here too. I 100% agree with this! You feel that emotions when they discuss their trauma and rawness of what happened. This is just cringy and reminds me so much of a classic abuser trying to spin webs of lies to cya. I felt no emotional attachment or empathy towards anything she said. I truly hope she will get some mental health assistance.
Observation: In a juror's eyes, having a male lawyer go after Heard may seem like bullying, but, if Heard's adversary is female, then it certainly is a fair fight. Let the females go at it. And Vasques did and she won easily.
One thought I had about the # of males on the jury - an excuse for not winning.
@@pookiepookie8669 True, but she'd invent any excuse for not getting her way, regardless
That's a really good point, I hadn't thought of that
@@pookiepookie8669 I thought the same thing. But I also think she may possibility blame her teams incompetence, which they don’t have a lot to work with; either way she is going to claim something if he wins.
Calculated move, team Depp
When he said that Amber was scanning her eyes across the jury looking for someone who was with her, I got such insight in how narcissists always seem to find someone to exploit! Since I lean toward being an empath, this is a good lesson! I’ve learned so much more through this trial, and I really appreciate how much time you and all the LegalBytes participants have invested in enlightening the curious public!
There are many reasons I think this trial is significant and I'm glad it's broadcasted all over media. People are learning about the dynamics of abusive relationships as well as personality disorders, very important things to be educated on.
Especially if you're an empath because predators do come after them the most.
I know right? I realized I was friends with a narcissistic person and with this case, I finally understood why I felt so bad when I was with her.
@@acegikm I lean heavily as an empath as well. I would disagree that we're the most targeted because oftentimes I can ping a person's character. If there are "bad vibes" there, if you will, I can literally feel it. Conversely, I have met people who have such a good heart that it makes me smile because I can ping that as well. I guess it all depends on one's definition of "empath" as well. 🙂
That's why Jonny said to her " you will never see my eyes again".
@@gigid9606 oh my goodness!! That part was SO interesting!! AH got so ANGRY and (like she's been doing this whole time) deflection and blaming the other person!!
Thanks!
Camille Vasquez is helping me re-frame and reconcile my own experience with addiction and abuse. Her clear and present questions, so grounded, tenacious. It feels every point she makes puts finally to rest another incident from my own experience. She's healing and empowering a lot of people right now. I am so glad to hear she knows it!
Annisa my thoughts exactly.
Indeed. When she speaks to AH . It's dominating yet some how soothing. She is taking stand for the truely abused at the same what a strong young woman can do!! It's sexy
Good for you!
will it should... i mean dont u support all ur new mates against all their ex's... until u learn better???
Same exactly for me! Omg I just said the same thing to someone.
Camille: Cries real tears of emotion off camera
Amber: Can't even whip up one tear to save $50,000,000 and her career.
I know, not ONE!!
When she says “I could never hurt Johnny” means in her mind, when she hits/punches, kicks, etc him..it didn’t hurt him. In her recording when she said she didn’t punch him, she hit him..she says he’s “not hurt, babe, you’re fine”. She’s playing in words, twisting the truth and just plain GASLIGHTING whoever she can. Horrible.
I perceived that phrase as a note to the fact that he knows the truth and his own value and her value and that he could never truly take anything in that she does.
Secondly she knows that she could never hurt him like a parent...his mother could do to him as she did. Because Amber is just a partner and the worst one at that.
He had many positive relations before Amber to base her against.
She needs a professional psychiatric assessment not psychological...
It really does sound like she was gaslighting everyone in the court when confronted with evidence right in front of her omg..
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I think in her mind as a narcissist is that women are fragile and men are tough and basically views herself as this special thing that is fragile and everything other people do will hurt her and other people need to attend to her needs. She's been coddled her entire life and basically views men as tools rather than someone who could also have emotional needs because she selfish.
I watched a lot of this trial and one of the parts that shocked me the most was the “professionals” and “experts”. It is crazy How they can tell a story disregarding the facts. I guess Amber is not the only person losing her carrier.
? Elaborate please?
Just highlights how primitive our human minds can be, it's so easy to be narrow minded but to act noblely not just for your family but for, in the end, a better world , is still difficult enough for most of us to cause so many problems.
One would think the amount of money that the"expert witnesses" were being paid, they would not be so easily disapproved. Score another point for Depps team.!
Career.
Despite Johnny having so many friends, countless fans/supporters, and all the resources in the world available to him, he has clearly still really struggled and likely felt alone and helpless. But I feel like what Camille has done for him during this trial is probably one of the most meaningful and healing experiences anyone could have ever given to him. To take this so personally and take on this trial as of she’s defending her own family and giving him justice is beautiful to see. I hope they remain really good friends. I feel like this was the type of intimate and genuine love and support he has needed to heal. Because clearly he is not well and has been struggling for a long time with his mental health. But I feel like from here forward he is going to have a real shot at sobriety and healing. As well as the life changing experience of having this “monster” he’s been hiding for so long be out in the open, and basically every other aspect of his life (both good and bad) out for the world to see. How terrifying that must be, and then to be met with so much love and empathy... It’s truly priceless
This was beautifully said!!!
You can see his demeanor has changed. He's is happier, more relaxed, as though the weight of the world has been lifted odd his shoulders. He can breathe now.
Yes I feel it’s been very healing for him
Hope this comment goes viral! Meaningful and insightful
YES !! EXACTLY 💯
I felt like the first couple of days when JD wore his hair down it seemed like his hair was a security blanket to sort of shield him from others or judgement. The 3rd day his hair was pulled back and he had so much more confidence in himself and it was a beautiful thing to see. I just want to give him the biggest hug and tell him he’s not alone and he has a vast amount of people who are standing with him.
Yes 👏🏼
Oh my God, that's exactly what I have been thinking as well while watching this past week... How in the beginnning he had his hair down (I use my hair as a security blanket myself, im deathly afraid to cut it.. So I guess that stood out to me) and then in the last few weeks he has had it pulled back , letting us see all of him, once he knew he had the support if many many many people.
His lawyers said they advised him to tie it up for appearance. Can't remember which video I saw it in but it was in one of the deposition videos.
You do NOT take pictures of someone you supposedly love passed out on the floor. How disrespectful of her! That was taken for one reason and one reason only, to use against him in the future and sure enough. That is despicable and something that wouldn't even cross my mind to do. Her constantly addressing the jury is downright creepy!!! Excellent analysis between you and Rob!
Yes exactly .. what ever happened to love them in sickness and.in health .at least take off his shoes and get him a blanket ..she wasn't in love with him at all ...so sad ..JUSTICE FOR JOHNNY !!!
Exactly! my xBFF of 6yrs is addicted to H and I'd never ever try to shame her with pics at a low point because it doesn't help a person choose sobriety, it drives them further into addiction. Holding someone accountable doesn't involve shame, its supposed to be encouraging them to make better choices. You can talk about it at anon for support but pictures of nodding off to pass around and shame someone I cannot even fathom how AH mightve even considered it helpful. Total bs
*and send the pictures to her friends for amusement.
When she says that I can't help but think, wouldn't it be more impactful and helpful to record him in a drunken state? Like a video? It doesn't make sense to me, especially having been in a few relationships with raging alcoholics/drug users. Them asleep or passed out accomplishes nothing. It shows them nothing. You have to see yourself in action for it to even register. When they're asleep, that's usually when you feel protective or the caretaker's emotions come out. I mean for me it was.
I don't know, I'd have to side with Amber on this one. Essentially, we are ALL on the outside looking in. Amber has lived with Johnny for years and understands his mannerisms WAY more in depth than any of us do. For example, my ex gf used to snore pretty loud after a night of drinking and whenever I told her the next morning, she would deny it and get defensive. So I thought I'd make a video of her one night and show her the next morning. This is pretty much the same circumstances. Johnny gets shit faced, passes out, Amber yell at him the next morning, Johnny gets confused and denies it. You take a picture of the act, and now there is no speculation. So having said that, I kind of believe Amber.
Camille as an empath and sword and shield for JD was the most heart-wrenching and awakening comment. She knows he's fragile, that he's being abused and that he's damaged. She also truly believes that he has been wronged and wants to help him get it all out in public to get his reputation back and to be vindicated. Never about money for him -- he did however want / need to have the whole story told for reasons I mentioned before. What a sad sad state of affairs and I hope that there is much healing in his future after this - win or lose, his truth and story have gotten out after all these years.
i don't think Camille is an empath. empaths have very poor emotional boundries. she was very assertive with amber. perhaps the word ypu're lookinfg for is empathetic or compassionate.
AMEN!!!!!
Bro, She's just doing her job. And she did a great job. I think you are the empath😅
My favorite part of cross examination was when Camille asked Amber…
“You testified that you wanted to file for the restraining order as discreetly as possible with no press”
Amber replied ..”that is correct”.
Then she showed a photo of Amber that day on the court house steps, surrounded by press; with a bruise on her face.
Camille the replied…” What…. No makeup kit that day “…?!
not to mention, paparazzi don't just hang around courthouses all day. someone had to call them there!
Oh you missed the best line. Camille: So you had a photo shoot inside the court house?
@@pasaniusventris4113 Exactly! Watch the video of her deposition accidentally spilling about TMZ being alerted that day during the cross-examination. Amber is very cunning and manipulative.
@@bnd123us hahah that one was great! Asking: "so you just decided to have a photo-shoot in courthouse hall while you were obtaining a TRO" ? haha :p
the way AH keeps twisting the phrasing of questions with her answers while in the meantime acting as if what she is saying is all so obvious and logical (tho it really isn't), makes me anxious for the outcome. ANYone would clearly say she is full of BS and lying about practically everything, and JD is always believable and feels like telling the truth. But because these stories are so obvious not working on her side and are so strange, yet she doesnt seem worried or ashamed at all.... it's so freaky to see someone lie like that.
@@HopefulInterventions the fact that she literally pulled her hands up to cover up those words and stop herself was insane. you could see just how much she didn't mean to say that, and that's because she knew just how bad it would make her look.
I did not want this video to end. Truly amazing insights and fascinating takes. When you talked about Camille breaking down my heart became heavy. I respect her so much. Thank you Rob and Spidey for this video.
wow the part about Camille and Johnny's relationship brought me to tears. Johnny must feel so loved and supported by his whole team. I'm glad it's them defending him and bringing him justice. Thank you so much for your amazing and hard work. I have seen the whole trial on Legalbytes. Love from Denmark
you two need to report on more court cases like this! so informative and entertaining! thankyou!
Wow to hear how Camille was in tears after day 1 of cross examination is really great insight we didn't get to see. She really is giving her all. So proud of her. She's been unbelievably amazing as has all Johnny's lawyers!! She really cares & believes Johnny deserves to be vindicated for years of all these fake allegations & treacherous lies from #AmberTurd. She knows how vile #AmberTurd is & wants to expose her lies to the world!!
#JusticeforJohnny 🙏🙏
What! She cried. Was this on camera? I missed it. Camille seems very genuine.
Yes, agree!! This lawyer has showed her professionalism, loyalty to her team and client and clearly has facts to back up why these allegations and stories are outrageous!! I have felt extremely heartbroken and sad at times through this trial for JD because I from home can see the “evidence” hear testimonies and see the discrepancies in her stories right away but also see that JD is a man who is human like anyone else and has struggles and things he opened up about on the stand and has had to listen to people he is close to or once close to speak on those struggles. But he knows this is the only way for people to see the truth and I’m so very glad he did! Another thing that I wish they would talk about more is when JD broke things or got ugly with words (which I’m not saying is right) but how long before he did those actions did he have to endure AH emotional, verbal and physical attacks before he needed to have an outlet of frustrations?!?! Which is a sign of victim of IPV and also we see what Dr. Curry talked about are people typically with these disorders can be taxing over time and on a daily bases. #JusticeforJohnny!!!
I kinda thought that Camille would go home and cry after I saw her bear hug of JD and his other lawyer.
Cry of happiness and a sense of achievement. I too cried after I finally got into my dream college. It was an effort that took me an year of reduced sleep, effort and much more
@@nancycali4644 No, I think he said it was when all of the cameras had shut down and people were getting ready to finish for the day so they could leave.
Most likely due to the adrenaline...she was in full fight mode.. tears are also a stress reliever. I wish her every success! 🧡
To clarify: There are at least 3 instances where it had been proven that Amber hit Johnny.
1. At the top of the stairs she punched him in the face.
2. Audio recording where she admits to hitting him not “punching”him.
3. Audio recording Amber admitting
When he was locked in the bathroom, she kicked the door into his head, then punched him in jaw.
Also AH claimed JD of SA in her op Ed. Of which there is zero proof. And allegations are convoluted , ever changing, and without merit.
This is the worst kind defamatory allegation of all of her false claims.
Because it was allegations of a brutal sexual assault and crime.
This being untrue is the epitome of DEFAMATION and she most certainly should be held accountable for this!
#JusticeforJohnny
#JusticeForJohnnyDepp
Perfectly said
I thought 2 and 3 was the same event, and she said she slapped Depp across the face in her testimony at some other event.
I agree 💯 she should blog to jail for false allegations
She also admitted to Jerry Judge who was at the house in Australia that she threw the bottle that cut Johnny's finger off and he never hit her. But Johnny lied to the Drs. about how it happened to protect her. She was recording the entire fight but the audio can't be played in court because Jerry Judge passed away.
When Rob spoke on why Camille was perfect to speak for Johnny, everything he said gave me chills and I teared up.
I was a victim of severe sexual abuse from my father and brother growing up. When I finally spoke out, my entire family abandoned me because they did not believe me. Due to everyone cutting me off, I have gone through my whole adult life without a family. My father and brother still have everyone's full support and belief. My reputation and life was stripped from me for speaking out. But the story is happy ending. I worked my butt off for years and years in very intense therapy and with God's help I have forgiven my family and healed from my trauma. I think healthily enough to allow healthy people in my life who DO believe me and help encourage me to continue being who I want to be: a gentle, merciful survivor. Even though I am still without family love, I am now, in fact, happy 🌷
Thank you to the people who not only believe abuse victims, but also protect them ❤
Gentle and merciful, that is very special be proud of yourself.😇
So so so sorry to hear what happen to you. I wish you all the best in your life
So sorry for what you went through
Wow im so sorry for what you had to experience!!! How absolutely terrible. I grew up in a abusive home as well, but not as severe as you. All i have today from my family growing up is a sister and literally nobody else. And it sometimes feels scary and lonely to not have anybody to look up to, go to, ask for advice, support. But i feel more like an orphan than abandoned, because i never had a family like it should be. An abusive family is a toxic set of people that push you down and take away everything from you - not a place of home and safety. So i try not to see it as losing a family, but cutting off excess weight, that would otherwise kill you. And make my own new family instead and find home and safety in all the things i love ;) i wish you all the best and a great life!
Same here. I had chills and so wanted to protect Johnny. Made me think of my son. I can’t wait to hug him soon.
So sorry about what you went through. Sending you love and hugs too.