@@yaboizero.thats the point though its not about that, its about Ellie learning that revenge is meaningless and that despite finally being able to kill Abby after so long, she just didnt care about it anymore
@@miragemain105which is shit cus it makes the play feel like we fucked around and played a stealth ammo management Sim for 8 hours for no resolution at all and a shitty ending cutscene
It wouldn’t. Having Joel visit ellie on hallucinations would’ve completely gone against everything the game is trying to tell you about her mental state. She feels alone, she feels isolated and she is polarised by the fact she will never get to see Joel again, having her interact with him even in hallucinations would’ve completely undermined this
Joel had no choice to kill the fire flies if his goal was to save ellie, Joel used up all his luck by protecting ellie, if you played the first game, Joel could have died many times in the first game if it wasn't for ellie saving him 3 times during that hunter that almost killed him, & during the hospital part when he fell & plunge himself, also Henry saved him from drowning, & ellie saved him again when he was trapped inside that bus flooded in water...so that's a total of 4 times almost died..like Joel himself said, his luck was going to eventually run out, & his last luck ran out when he went to go look for ellie.
@@Ambar42her father wasn’t innocent putting a little girl to sleep and killing her for a cure without her or her fathers consent , any dad would’ve done the same thing joel did
@@starchild6526 Right, Joel tried to save his daughter, Abby's dad tried to save the world. I'm not saying that Joel didn’t right from his perspective, but those are the facts.
@@Ambar42 but there is a clear right and wrong morally, abby’s dad knocked a guy out and took his daughter without consent and was about to kill her for his own goal, joel didn’t do anything like that, he went to get his daughter back and they held her hostage and wouldn’t give her back and was shooting at him so he defend himself killing them and getting ellie back, there’s a clear right and wrong
@ladymindpalace7787 it's clear somebody here doesn't stufy literature, it's not that hard to get attached to a fictional character otherwise we wouldn't still be learing about Romeo and Juliette. You're right that guy is a type
100%. That moment at the end salvaged a little of the pain I went through til then. Joel choking up as he says "I'd like that" made my 40 year old arse cry
@@YDHGaming I saw Neil Druckman say something about telling Tommy's story in TLOU 3 so maybe. Tbh I'd prefer it to be just about Ellie and maybe give her a happy ending. Seeing her broken, fatherless, missing fingers, etc was sad
@@dededede9257the actual reason was because they rearranged the story structure after this trailer; originally you were to play as abbie fighting in the city, as her friends were one by one killed by an unknown person. Youd build (as a player) a liking and relationship with abbie and her friends, and then eventually the assailant would come for abbie (about a third the wzy through the game) and it would be revealed to be ellie killing them. (Until this point, you hadnt seen ellie or joel) From here you would switch to playing as ellie, youd kill abbies frienfs one by one, occasionally bumping into joel but being cold and distant towards him, and never actively engaging with him. Then youd have the fight with abbie, with abbie saying "we let you live, and you wasted it" which would then flash back to what we now know as the beginning of the game, with joel dying. That was supposed.to be the twist. All of the kidnapping of abbie and lev, ellie rewcuing them and letting them go was added much later. Also they moved joels death to the beginning of the game because they wanted player urgency as ellie to feel as angry and hurt as she was, which kinda worked i think. But still, id rather they have had the "joel is dead" twist midgame after building a relationship with abbie, would have really made the conflict more engaging i think
@@jx2_23 definitely, as a player I'd have been left far more conflicted because I'd have played as abbie until that point. I think the main reason for changing it is because players (for some reason) seems to think that Ellie and Joel *are* the last of us
I would have loved if Ellie had Joel hallucinations throughout the game. Great way of showing how he is forever a part of her and she could never leave him behind.
It would've been so perfect too. That's actually the route I thought they were gonna take with the first initial announcement trailer. When Ellie was playing the guitar and singing the song. It made sense😭
There was, pretty sure it was only for a single scene, but Ellie had nightmares of going into the basement and seeing Joel get whacked. tell me you didn't finish the game without telling me you didn't finish the game.
@@stankewrx not to mention the like 3 or 4 flashback missions where you're clearly with Joel. It's comparable to asking for more bread on your pb and J sandwich and less pb and J
lol the only reason why they added Joel to the trailer is because SOOOOOO many ppl guessed the entire plot of Part 2 just by the teaser released 3 years before the game came out (Joel gets killed by fireflies, and Ellie avenges his death), so the next trailer was designed to imply that it wouldn't be Joel who died. Hell, 1 trailer implied Dina would be the one, and Joel will help Ellie avenge her. We were too smart for our own good 😢
@@Gojo-sm6xl most ppl were spoiled by the death, so they trashed the game out of context. I...mostly avoided spoilers at the time. All l knew was something bad happened to Joel, a new character was hated, and the game was being trashed. I honestly thought that maybe the new character convinced Ellie to kill Joel for lying to her in Part 1. At the time that's the only thing l thought could have gotten ppl to hate on such a beloved franchise.
@@Gojo-sm6xl I suggested that the game should have started us as Abby. I know it kinda does, since the opening combat tutorial is as her, but there's no story there. Nothing to connect to her emotionally. Remember how Part 1 started? With that epic escape as we play as Sarah? Imagine if we played as young Abby while her and her parents escape a Scars attack, and her mom ends up dying during it? This would have accomplished so many things. It would have gotten us to connect to her emotionally since we would have saw her deal with trauma early in her life. It would have shown us why she would later join the WLFs, since they hate Scars as much as she does. And it would have shown us why she's so protective of her Dad, since she was too young to protect her mom, and now because of Joel, history repeated itself. She failed to protect another parent, and it broke her mentally. We actually would have cared about her BEFORE she killed Joel, instead of the game trying to force us to afterwards. Hopefully the upcoming show adaption of Part 2 does something like that.
Exactly, and all them Abby fans are so mad when we are blaming her for his death. Like one thing it's killing anyone to protect your daughter like girl, and other thing is to get across half the country to take revenge in the most brutal way. I could never forgive that character for that...
@@mihaipostaru131right. and it was abby’s father who started this mess between Joel/ellie/abby in the first place. it the guy didn’t kidnap ellie, he wouldn’t have died, Joel wouldn’t have had to kill him (the doctor was abby’s dad) idk why abby did what she did. her father wanted to experiment on a child who he didn’t even have clarification would be able to save humanity bc Ellie was born after the outbreak, making her immune. there is no cure. What abby did was selfish, disgusting and absolutely insane.
Sometimes I wonder what the game would look like if Joel would try to earn Ellie’s forgiveness in a journey while seeing the damage he did as opposed to what happened to him in TLOU2.
Luckily everyone knows TLOU2 is not cannon and is a fan fiction created by Neil Druckman with his abnormal, androgynous, ugly manfaced buff woman fetish.
Spineless, boring, obvious continuation to the story that would run on nothing and end with nothing. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Joel killed innocent people and got what was coming. Thats the point.
As good as that sounds, I would’ve felt like I was playing the same story again. I appreciate the approach Naughty Dog took because it left an impression on me more than a “Ellie and Joel go on another adventure together” plot. I also truly believe Part II is only there to set up Part III, which odds are will be a redemption story for all the characters because that’s typically how trilogy’s go.
@@reesetetzlaff8186In all fairness Joel kinda did deserve it.... killed so many people... ruined the ONLY chance of a cure. And killed the person (Abby's father) the only person able too make it and made Abby go looking for revenge so technically if he just didn't kill her father none of this would've happened, meaning.... Joel had it coming it was a cycle, Abby goes for vengeance for her father and Elie goes for own vengeance for her basically father as well.
@@DW_Executioner except the point of the first game was that it was ambiguous if he could create a cure. Abby's father had tried and failed multiple times before, so there was no guarantee on a cure, and if anything, chopping up all these immune people sets us back from a cure. By your own argument, all of these people deserved death since they're all murderers.
in a story where Ellie could have been seeking revenge for something that happened to Dina, having Joel appear despite their estranged relationship would’ve provoked some damn emotions
I feel like the revenge wouldn't have mattered as much then cause we didn't know Dina or cared about the events that led to her death Maybe tommy like I originally theorized but personally I prefer the story we got
@@xdarkwolf2255Rightly said TLOU2 is not for everyone...it's so strong and heart wrenching at the same time, it had a great msg in the end which majority did not understand. specially not for the ppl who are socially and emotionally week. But I still prefer Joel would have lived.
Old Joel helping Ellie on some sort of revenge mission would've been such an incredible and complex game. Joel helping Ellie instead of the other way around. Two experienced killers. Man, we were robbed.
"Joel was a wonderful father. He loved and protected Ellie like his own daughter. He did everything he could to keep her safe. joel is a complex and compelling character. He's not a perfect good guy, but he's a man worth loving. we all miss him
You just forgot the fact that Joel killed Abby's father and she was just a little girl, same as Ellie. We cannot simply love Joel by forgetting everything he did...
Joel gunned down so many people in that hospital. He probably would have killed Abbys father anyways since he was the one who was gonna kill Ellie and he would have kept looking for her. @@alphaxan8175
@@alphaxan8175yes because he would’ve done some serious damage with that scalpel lol. I don’t get why Joel wouldn’t just knock him out - you have the option to let the nurses live so it makes no sense.
TLoU2 this is what makes it a masterpiece. Same as endgame; Ironman cannot live forever. All things end. Flashbacks, ptsd episodes, define what Ellie has been through as if it was a real person. And not a person with infinite plot armor.
The whole game doesn't work if the player doesn't care about abby There was no point of Jesse as a character other than being a sperm donor Joel and Tommy behaved like amateurs Abby had insane aimbot and plot armour There are many more flaws. The game isn't realistic it just felt forced
Some People act like this game gets criticism because it's too dark or Joel dies when that's just not true. The game has pacing issues and character inconsistencies that border on bi-polar disorders. There's so many moments when I felt like the characters were making decisions just to further the plot I lost count. The general concept of the story is fine. In fact you can keep the overall concept entirely. But it feels so fabricated half of the time it's just bad. Plenty of loved main characters die in story telling and it's not always pretty. Brushing off criticism as just fanboys being upset a character died is ignorant of the things actually wrong with this games story
@EuropeForEuropeans1161 Russo brothers called it a masterpiece. Which it is. Lemme guess, you thought it was too woke 💀. The story itself is much bigger and has more consequences than the first game. Both are great, but II is a whole other level. In a story centered on themes of Revenge and Forgiveness, the writers delve deep into the character what would happen if Ellie lost everything? Its consequences are truth to life. From the basic concept of TLOU part 1, this was never going to be a 'happy ending' story nor will it ever be. And thats why it is literally the best game of all time right down to the ending. Ellie is born anew and thus broke the cycle posed by Joel's teachings. 'Revenge' is not the answer, and Ellie had to lose every bit of herself to see that, which is true to life in the average person especially a stubborn one such as you who clearly doesnt understand the story at all. 10/10 Case closed my boy.
@@Fanthomas1742 Joel, Tommy, and Jesse all were all done dirty by the ridiculous roidhulk. I wish there was an option to leave her where she was at the end.
Fun fact: in one of the trailers for The Last Of Us 2 had this scene with Joel telling Ellie that he wouldn’t let her do this on her own which is where this clip in the edit comes from.
@@JoshBonesJones I did enjoy the game ngl, the ending was horribly rushed but the combat and scavenging mechanics kept me sort of interested, a 7/10 game in my opinion.
@finnish_hunter the gameplay is flawless of course, i cant hate on that. Just as a hardcore fan of the first game immensely disappointed with the storyline and the pacing.
Shit that couldve been fire, then have joel die at the end as a consenquence of ellies thirst for revenge. That couldve been amazing and we would have lots more screen time between the two
@@poordude2175 ellie wouldve still been a playable character with the game focusing on her, joel would be a teamate and possibly be played once if ellie was in danger/critically injured
@TheHumbleWaffle That would have been epic. Imagine Joel going on one final rampage for Ellie's safety, all his skills maxed out, and maybe even a larger health pool, tanking everything from the Wolves and Scars.
@@glennfordsolinap8606 Almost as if they wanted you to experience a monumental loss and express that this world is unforgiving despite who you are. The entire point is for you to feel so conflicted.
@@winniekyn6162 I agree, but props to ghost I mean the guy made teenage boys and grown men cry when he died... and he wasn't even a playable character in MW2
While that’s not healthy, I fucking get it. Humans can get so attached to fictional characters and I understand that Joel meant a lot to the fans. I hope you’re doing better now ❤
Yeah me too. I’ve also never played the games, but I’ve seen the first little bit of a UA-cam walkthrough of TLOU Part 2, and spoiler, I actually cried when Joel died
@notyourbodypillowofficial in that case I would recommend watching a playthrough on YT. Both TLOU games are incredible, but part 2 is amazing (probably a controversial opinion but I stick by it).
Joel is a great character he’s like a great father figure to Ellie his job was to smuggle her but he ended up loving here he’s a real misunderstood character
Now that I've seen this. This could have been a pretty cool spin if we went from flashbacks of younger Ellie and Joel together, to all of a sudden older Ellie starts having a mental breakdown and every time she was having an episode in a dangerous moment there was Joel "coming back from the dead" to be the calm in her head. Like imagine a scene where she starts to breakdown right before she goes looking for more WLFs that are on the other side of a destroyed wall and Joel comes crouching up next to her, says he will take care of it. Then you get to play as Joel for a moment, but once you leave the area it enters a cutscene where we find out it was actually Ellie the entire time.
Reminds me of Lee and clementine from the walking dead game, where clementine has encounters with lee in her own mind but at the age she is at that moment and him knowing exactly whats going on even though he is dead
You can see it in her eyes,for a few moments she genuinely thinks it’s Joel who’s behind her and I believe at that moment she really wished it was him.💔
This trailer was released before it was known that Joel was killed. It was a way for Naughty Dog to market the release of the game. I don’t see this as a good marketing strategy though, since you’re blatantly lying to your audience
@@BigN00bso you wanted them to spoil Joel dying doesn’t make sense a lot of people wouldn’t even have played the game because they would be so mad about Joel dying
@@Zekeriah Not necessarily spoil the death, but I would have preferred just including more clips of Ellie and Joel together. The leaks didn’t help much either
I had no clue so many other people played through this game like I did I actually enjoyed it but I do wish they had kept Joel around him and Ellie’s bond is what made this game so great
@@FA_Machina that's why i felt like a silly joke 🤣. Also I thought maybe we were exploring more of Ellie and her trauma of losing beloved people, she lost Reilly in the past so I thought that background make her vebgeful?... I don't know I'm glad I was wrong 😂😂
@@strikebomber2944 but we didn’t have any real feel to get revenge for her or have anything to do because of her. yes she was the reason joel went all the way with ellie but that was how he felt, not me. maybe you felt differently im not sure
Would you as a player really cared about getting your revenge for Dina the way we all felt when getting our revenge for Joel like the devs wanted us to
Yeah, they could've milked Joel and Ellie for every dollar, they chose to tell a story instead. Not the story a lot of people wanted, but at least it wasn't a soulless cash grab.
@@buenosdias232 The writing was some of the best in video games. The sex scene wasn't that long, it was meant to be awkward, and the cheating had consequences. It also contrasts with Ellie's confession and sex scene with Dina, continuing the theme of her and Abby's story mirroring each other. I don't why you would choose that as an example of bad writing.
@@overlykid3223Well, me and a Lot of people understood Abby's side, and also understood that there is no right side in this game. This requires a certain amount of maturity, so I already imagined that a lot of people would hate the game just because the beloved character died.
"I know you wish things were different I wish things were different... But they ain't" - Joel Miller Edit: yooooo 1k that's the best I've gotten thx Edit:2K!?!? how much do you like this comment?
This is the kind of wish fulfillment people who grieve feel It made sense that Joel would let his guard down to save a girl of Ellie’s age It’s the closest a video game could get to us feeling the real loss of a loved one
This hits so much harder and would have been so much deeper. Joel was one of a kind the man a lot want to be yes he has issues but his loyalty knows no bounds and I think we have lost that
![Joel Saves Ellie from the Fireflies / Full Ending - The Last Of Us Part I Remake [PS5 4K HDR]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uZOO65ZYwrM/mqdefault.jpg)
I wish Joel and Ellie had at least one more adventure together
I bet thats what ellie wished aswell, making the grief so much worse
That's the point brother
@@yaboizero.thats the point though its not about that, its about Ellie learning that revenge is meaningless and that despite finally being able to kill Abby after so long, she just didnt care about it anymore
I wish would be joel😢😢😢
@@miragemain105which is shit cus it makes the play feel like we fucked around and played a stealth ammo management Sim for 8 hours for no resolution at all and a shitty ending cutscene
Honestly PTSD hallucination Joel could’ve been such a powerful plot point wtf
more like schizophrenia
It wouldn’t. Having Joel visit ellie on hallucinations would’ve completely gone against everything the game is trying to tell you about her mental state. She feels alone, she feels isolated and she is polarised by the fact she will never get to see Joel again, having her interact with him even in hallucinations would’ve completely undermined this
@@Lanadelreyisbaeemmm..point ignored!
writers should consider this for the show!!
@@Lanadelreyisbaetalking to hallucinations supports the claim she isolated and morning/in denial of his death still hello 💀
I wish Jesse didn’t die bro had so much potential
Once he finally got some character development he started to become a nice addition to the franchise, then enter the roidhulk...
Bro coulda been Joel's son
Right. I wish we had more time partnered with him. Id even buy a dlc showing his trip through Seattle 🙌🏾😭
yesss i love Jesse
Almost every man died in the game,Tommy almost , that's the hidden woke agenda
He didn’t deserve to die, he only wanted to save the last person he cared about😭😭
But killed many people along the way. It's not that easy. To Abby, her father was innocent and was taken away from her by Joel.
Joel had no choice to kill the fire flies if his goal was to save ellie, Joel used up all his luck by protecting ellie, if you played the first game, Joel could have died many times in the first game if it wasn't for ellie saving him 3 times during that hunter that almost killed him, & during the hospital part when he fell & plunge himself, also Henry saved him from drowning, & ellie saved him again when he was trapped inside that bus flooded in water...so that's a total of 4 times almost died..like Joel himself said, his luck was going to eventually run out, & his last luck ran out when he went to go look for ellie.
@@Ambar42her father wasn’t innocent putting a little girl to sleep and killing her for a cure without her or her fathers consent , any dad would’ve done the same thing joel did
@@starchild6526 Right, Joel tried to save his daughter, Abby's dad tried to save the world. I'm not saying that Joel didn’t right from his perspective, but those are the facts.
@@Ambar42 but there is a clear right and wrong morally, abby’s dad knocked a guy out and took his daughter without consent and was about to kill her for his own goal, joel didn’t do anything like that, he went to get his daughter back and they held her hostage and wouldn’t give her back and was shooting at him so he defend himself killing
them and getting ellie back, there’s a clear right and wrong
You never realized how much you loved something till it's gone
The thing is - I knew it. But I still was not prepared for the existential crisis that his absence would cause 😂
Lol it’s a video game these characters aren’t real settle down 😂
@@flyersgoon8864 Well, there are different types of people. And if you don’t get it, you’re just another type :)
@@ladymindpalace7787lol whatever you say buddy
@ladymindpalace7787 it's clear somebody here doesn't stufy literature, it's not that hard to get attached to a fictional character otherwise we wouldn't still be learing about Romeo and Juliette. You're right that guy is a type
Yo honestly that would have been badass, like ellie losing her mind seeing joel exactly like mason lost his mind thinking he's seeing Reznov
oh, black ops, that takes me back
"For you Ellie, not for me!"
@@MakmcYaegher😂
That is what I was thinking
@@MakmcYaegherthe numbers mason what do they mean
They deserved atleast one more game together. One more adventure.
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It genuinely made me happy that Ellie told joel that she'd like to try to forgive him.
100%. That moment at the end salvaged a little of the pain I went through til then. Joel choking up as he says "I'd like that" made my 40 year old arse cry
@@enad6737 will there be a TLOU 3?
@@YDHGaming I saw Neil Druckman say something about telling Tommy's story in TLOU 3 so maybe. Tbh I'd prefer it to be just about Ellie and maybe give her a happy ending. Seeing her broken, fatherless, missing fingers, etc was sad
I can’t believe they put him in this scene in the trailer but then killed him off
Marketing they know that if people know that joel die in the first minutes nobody will buy the game
@@dededede9257it’s called false advertising
@@dededede9257the actual reason was because they rearranged the story structure after this trailer; originally you were to play as abbie fighting in the city, as her friends were one by one killed by an unknown person. Youd build (as a player) a liking and relationship with abbie and her friends, and then eventually the assailant would come for abbie (about a third the wzy through the game) and it would be revealed to be ellie killing them. (Until this point, you hadnt seen ellie or joel)
From here you would switch to playing as ellie, youd kill abbies frienfs one by one, occasionally bumping into joel but being cold and distant towards him, and never actively engaging with him.
Then youd have the fight with abbie, with abbie saying "we let you live, and you wasted it" which would then flash back to what we now know as the beginning of the game, with joel dying.
That was supposed.to be the twist.
All of the kidnapping of abbie and lev, ellie rewcuing them and letting them go was added much later.
Also they moved joels death to the beginning of the game because they wanted player urgency as ellie to feel as angry and hurt as she was, which kinda worked i think.
But still, id rather they have had the "joel is dead" twist midgame after building a relationship with abbie, would have really made the conflict more engaging i think
@jamesbrookes3408 Damn that wouldve been so cool
@@jx2_23 definitely, as a player I'd have been left far more conflicted because I'd have played as abbie until that point.
I think the main reason for changing it is because players (for some reason) seems to think that Ellie and Joel *are* the last of us
I would have loved if Ellie had Joel hallucinations throughout the game. Great way of showing how he is forever a part of her and she could never leave him behind.
It would've been so perfect too.
That's actually the route I thought they were gonna take with the first initial announcement trailer. When Ellie was playing the guitar and singing the song. It made sense😭
There was, pretty sure it was only for a single scene, but Ellie had nightmares of going into the basement and seeing Joel get whacked. tell me you didn't finish the game without telling me you didn't finish the game.
@@FadeicalPowerTV did you even read what he said? he said he wished she would get hallucinations throughout the entire game. not one cutscene.
@@stankewrx you clearly didn't read what he said because the word "wished" hadn't been used anywhere in this comment section until you strolled in
@@stankewrx not to mention the like 3 or 4 flashback missions where you're clearly with Joel. It's comparable to asking for more bread on your pb and J sandwich and less pb and J
"If i was to lose you, I'd surely lose myself"
"Oh hi jessie, i thought you were joel since THAT WHAT WAS SHOWN IN THE TRAILERS"-twiddle thumb gaming
lol the only reason why they added Joel to the trailer is because SOOOOOO many ppl guessed the entire plot of Part 2 just by the teaser released 3 years before the game came out (Joel gets killed by fireflies, and Ellie avenges his death), so the next trailer was designed to imply that it wouldn't be Joel who died. Hell, 1 trailer implied Dina would be the one, and Joel will help Ellie avenge her. We were too smart for our own good 😢
@@Gojo-sm6xl well they didn't give it away, but they definitely hinted at it
@@Gojo-sm6xl most ppl were spoiled by the death, so they trashed the game out of context. I...mostly avoided spoilers at the time. All l knew was something bad happened to Joel, a new character was hated, and the game was being trashed. I honestly thought that maybe the new character convinced Ellie to kill Joel for lying to her in Part 1. At the time that's the only thing l thought could have gotten ppl to hate on such a beloved franchise.
@@Gojo-sm6xl yeah l had no problem with how Joel died. My issue was forcing us to play as the person who killed him for the majority of the game 😳
@@Gojo-sm6xl I suggested that the game should have started us as Abby. I know it kinda does, since the opening combat tutorial is as her, but there's no story there. Nothing to connect to her emotionally. Remember how Part 1 started? With that epic escape as we play as Sarah? Imagine if we played as young Abby while her and her parents escape a Scars attack, and her mom ends up dying during it? This would have accomplished so many things. It would have gotten us to connect to her emotionally since we would have saw her deal with trauma early in her life. It would have shown us why she would later join the WLFs, since they hate Scars as much as she does. And it would have shown us why she's so protective of her Dad, since she was too young to protect her mom, and now because of Joel, history repeated itself. She failed to protect another parent, and it broke her mentally. We actually would have cared about her BEFORE she killed Joel, instead of the game trying to force us to afterwards. Hopefully the upcoming show adaption of Part 2 does something like that.
Man... I nearly cried when Joel died at the early part. I never expect to see someone we played as in the early to be dead
Druckmans woke money killed him
Joel can't be dead he was healing himself before his death
Exactly, and all them Abby fans are so mad when we are blaming her for his death. Like one thing it's killing anyone to protect your daughter like girl, and other thing is to get across half the country to take revenge in the most brutal way. I could never forgive that character for that...
@@mihaipostaru131right. and it was abby’s father who started this mess between Joel/ellie/abby in the first place. it the guy didn’t kidnap ellie, he wouldn’t have died, Joel wouldn’t have had to kill him (the doctor was abby’s dad) idk why abby did what she did. her father wanted to experiment on a child who he didn’t even have clarification would be able to save humanity bc Ellie was born after the outbreak, making her immune. there is no cure. What abby did was selfish, disgusting and absolutely insane.
@@every1lovesBATMANRIGHT!! idk how people like abby shes so selfish..
Imagine if Joel didn’t die but Ellie did Joel would go on a whole killing streak of a million just for Ellie
He did in the first game
He's too old now, it wouldn't even be believable
tommy went on a murder spree just fine with his age
@@GamingGamer22 it’s a world with zombies and a muscular woman overpowering full grown men when in real life that isn’t possible
@@tobiasa9071 no I’m talking about the 2nd one
Joel’s voice will always be one of my favorites in any game
I almost cried literally just hearing his voice again
Sometimes I wonder what the game would look like if Joel would try to earn Ellie’s forgiveness in a journey while seeing the damage he did as opposed to what happened to him in TLOU2.
You mean the game we should have got? Absolutely.
Luckily everyone knows TLOU2 is not cannon and is a fan fiction created by Neil Druckman with his abnormal, androgynous, ugly manfaced buff woman fetish.
I like TLOU 2, but this is a much better story than revenge is bad plot
Spineless, boring, obvious continuation to the story that would run on nothing and end with nothing. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Joel killed innocent people and got what was coming. Thats the point.
As good as that sounds, I would’ve felt like I was playing the same story again. I appreciate the approach Naughty Dog took because it left an impression on me more than a “Ellie and Joel go on another adventure together” plot. I also truly believe Part II is only there to set up Part III, which odds are will be a redemption story for all the characters because that’s typically how trilogy’s go.
That would have been so amazing. I miss Joel so much man ❤
Be to
True they shouldn’t of killed him off
@@reesetetzlaff8186In all fairness Joel kinda did deserve it.... killed so many people... ruined the ONLY chance of a cure. And killed the person (Abby's father) the only person able too make it and made Abby go looking for revenge so technically if he just didn't kill her father none of this would've happened, meaning.... Joel had it coming it was a cycle, Abby goes for vengeance for her father and Elie goes for own vengeance for her basically father as well.
@@DW_Executioner except the point of the first game was that it was ambiguous if he could create a cure.
Abby's father had tried and failed multiple times before, so there was no guarantee on a cure, and if anything, chopping up all these immune people sets us back from a cure.
By your own argument, all of these people deserved death since they're all murderers.
@@Excalibur2exactly
We all miss you joel
“ you think I’ll let you do this all on your own….. cause you will”
Biggest tease of the decade
Fr people forget this was the original teaser years before the game came out then what we got wasn't what was promised that's why everyone is pissed
Tbh I thought it was tommy
@anitabonghit7606 Funny is, that happened so often in movie trailers befor. I think ppl are pissed because they want to be pissed.
before Anita Sarkeesian starts to weigh in on Neil Druck man's empty head.
@@Und_noch_malit sucked then and sucks now.
Such a heartbreaking conclusion for our boy, such impact and sadness in a short.
For sure
Dude gets cheated on, then got killed for the chick that cheated on him
@@dvader2004cheated on?
@@itz.jj.000he's talking about Jessie
@@dvader2004true. But the video is more about Joel
Im CRYING!!!! 😢😢😢, I love Joel so much!!
For real I wish we had this in the game, Joel was my favorite character too 😢💔
Joel, the ultimate “not your parent, but all you’ve got”
fr
in a story where Ellie could have been seeking revenge for something that happened to Dina, having Joel appear despite their estranged relationship would’ve provoked some damn emotions
I feel like the revenge wouldn't have mattered as much then cause we didn't know Dina or cared about the events that led to her death
Maybe tommy like I originally theorized but personally I prefer the story we got
@@xdarkwolf2255i dont prefer the story we got its the whole reason i did not buy the game despite the good gameplay
@@finger5748 fair enough, it's not for everyone.
I prefer a story making a bold move
@@xdarkwolf2255Rightly said
TLOU2 is not for everyone...it's so strong and heart wrenching at the same time, it had a great msg in the end which majority did not understand.
specially not for the ppl who are socially and emotionally week.
But I still prefer Joel would have lived.
@@finger5748sad but understandable
Old Joel helping Ellie on some sort of revenge mission would've been such an incredible and complex game. Joel helping Ellie instead of the other way around. Two experienced killers. Man, we were robbed.
I keep seeing this, and everytime I do, I cry.
"Joel was a wonderful father. He loved and protected Ellie like his own daughter. He did everything he could to keep her safe.
joel is a complex and compelling character. He's not a perfect good guy, but he's a man worth loving. we all miss him
You just forgot the fact that Joel killed Abby's father and she was just a little girl, same as Ellie.
We cannot simply love Joel by forgetting everything he did...
@@Mypianoanmeand you’re forgetting Abby’s dad was the one who pulled a scalpel on Joel
Joel gunned down so many people in that hospital. He probably would have killed Abbys father anyways since he was the one who was gonna kill Ellie and he would have kept looking for her. @@alphaxan8175
@@alphaxan8175yes because he would’ve done some serious damage with that scalpel lol. I don’t get why Joel wouldn’t just knock him out - you have the option to let the nurses live so it makes no sense.
He was still a bastard anyway for trying to kill Ellie. One tried to kill an innocent person the other protected an innocent person.
"You think I'd be in this game?"
WRONG
@@doom199you survived because of memes!
@@jsbgaming6585 MMmmm flying kitty detected
He was in the entire game though. Till the ending.
@@brunobotelho4502 only flashbacks
😭😭😭😭Joel WE MISS YOU BUDDY🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💯
TLoU2 this is what makes it a masterpiece. Same as endgame; Ironman cannot live forever. All things end. Flashbacks, ptsd episodes, define what Ellie has been through as if it was a real person. And not a person with infinite plot armor.
That's an excuse for bad direction
The whole game doesn't work if the player doesn't care about abby
There was no point of Jesse as a character other than being a sperm donor
Joel and Tommy behaved like amateurs
Abby had insane aimbot and plot armour
There are many more flaws. The game isn't realistic it just felt forced
Some People act like this game gets criticism because it's too dark or Joel dies when that's just not true. The game has pacing issues and character inconsistencies that border on bi-polar disorders. There's so many moments when I felt like the characters were making decisions just to further the plot I lost count. The general concept of the story is fine. In fact you can keep the overall concept entirely. But it feels so fabricated half of the time it's just bad. Plenty of loved main characters die in story telling and it's not always pretty. Brushing off criticism as just fanboys being upset a character died is ignorant of the things actually wrong with this games story
@EuropeForEuropeans1161 nope.
@EuropeForEuropeans1161 Russo brothers called it a masterpiece. Which it is. Lemme guess, you thought it was too woke 💀. The story itself is much bigger and has more consequences than the first game. Both are great, but II is a whole other level. In a story centered on themes of Revenge and Forgiveness, the writers delve deep into the character what would happen if Ellie lost everything? Its consequences are truth to life. From the basic concept of TLOU part 1, this was never going to be a 'happy ending' story nor will it ever be. And thats why it is literally the best game of all time right down to the ending. Ellie is born anew and thus broke the cycle posed by Joel's teachings. 'Revenge' is not the answer, and Ellie had to lose every bit of herself to see that, which is true to life in the average person especially a stubborn one such as you who clearly doesnt understand the story at all. 10/10 Case closed my boy.
Shit. All the pain came rushing full speed to me yet again.
It's just a video game settle down lmao
@Beaver_Monday man, but it's like watching a person you've seen and been with go it's just freaking sad
@@Beaver_Monday but the nostalgic feeling plying this game man
@@Beaver_Mondaywe know but some of us have a passion for video games
Jesse was a good friend ngl
Jesse is literally the nicest guy in the entire game tbh
@@doggo9481 They did him dirty
@@doggo9481 I totally agree. Worst throw away character of all time. I was more pissed at them for killing Jesse than Joel.
@@Fanthomas1742 Joel, Tommy, and Jesse all were all done dirty by the ridiculous roidhulk. I wish there was an option to leave her where she was at the end.
Yeah fr😢
“Only you can prevent wildfires”
Add “kiddo” to that line
Oh I wish.. 😢😢
I really missed him.
Joel is my Favorite game character of all time. 😊😊
sameee
Arthur Morgan better
@@tezeklahmacun People have different opinions y'know.
@@masterpeeper5027 agreed
@@tezeklahmacun What do you know about Arthur Morgan huh ?
Biggest false advertising ever in gaming history
Hideo Kojima would like you to hold his beer
@@ryan489 kojima is a hack. Been shit for years
@@sheep5514 I’m talking about metal gear solid 2.
@@ryan489 I know. I remember. Raiden ffs
@@sheep5514 I hated him too.
R.I.P Joel Miller 😢
Fun fact: in one of the trailers for The Last Of Us 2 had this scene with Joel telling Ellie that he wouldn’t let her do this on her own which is where this clip in the edit comes from.
They kicked us all in the nuts with that blue balls trailer.
And yet some people willingly loved it, begging for more ball kicking.
@@JoshBonesJones I did enjoy the game ngl, the ending was horribly rushed but the combat and scavenging mechanics kept me sort of interested, a 7/10 game in my opinion.
@@finnish_hunter
I agree in a gameplay point view, but the story is THE soul of this game if u fucked it up then the game becomes soulless
@finnish_hunter the gameplay is flawless of course, i cant hate on that. Just as a hardcore fan of the first game immensely disappointed with the storyline and the pacing.
@@finnish_hunterGameplay is still the same.
If Abby played Golf with Dina instead of with Joel:
Shit that couldve been fire, then have joel die at the end as a consenquence of ellies thirst for revenge. That couldve been amazing and we would have lots more screen time between the two
@@TheHumbleWaffleit wouldnt have worked because Joel would have been to strong of a male lead and ruin naughty dogs agenda
@@poordude2175 ellie wouldve still been a playable character with the game focusing on her, joel would be a teamate and possibly be played once if ellie was in danger/critically injured
@TheHumbleWaffle That would have been epic. Imagine Joel going on one final rampage for Ellie's safety, all his skills maxed out, and maybe even a larger health pool, tanking everything from the Wolves and Scars.
@@silvergraphz8458would’ve been better than fuckin Dina chiming in the entire gameplay
This short made me remember how excited I was when the trailer came out and how heartbroken I was when reality set in from the story.
This would most likely been the scene if they ended up killing tommy instead of joel
who felt angry and disgusted when they killed joel just like that??
Slightly angry but consequential treatment was due for his actions in the first game
@@elijahric2849 couldn't agree more with you but it just doesn't feel right...
@@glennfordsolinap8606 Almost as if they wanted you to experience a monumental loss and express that this world is unforgiving despite who you are. The entire point is for you to feel so conflicted.
Cry more 🤡🤡
Not me without his death we wouldn’t have gotten a second game at all
"You can strike me down but i will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" - some old space wizard
Space jesus
Joel is the best character ever existed in video games
There's plenty that beat him but that's just me
Simon "Ghost" Riley: Am I a joke to you?
@@davidgambro7907 Good but not the best
@@winniekyn6162 I agree, but props to ghost I mean the guy made teenage boys and grown men cry when he died... and he wasn't even a playable character in MW2
@@OpticHamster69 alright fine. Arthur Morgan: Am I a joke to you?
ellie's reaction would be much more than "what the hell are you doing here?"
There should be a dlc that says “joel”
this
Imagine finishing the last of us 2 with regret because all of this happend and just all of a sudden you see a dlc with just a title.."Joel"
I was crying that much that I stopped breathing when I was playing the last of us when Joel died that’s how sad I was 😭
While that’s not healthy, I fucking get it. Humans can get so attached to fictional characters and I understand that Joel meant a lot to the fans. I hope you’re doing better now ❤
Joel literally healed my daddy issues
@@melodicaheart415Yup!!
@@trekkingonurmom❤
@@melodicaheart415it’s not that deep
It could’ve been like one of the plots from black ops where your imaginary friends goes on an adventure with you
Nah bro was givin ger backshots💀
Bro I miss Joel so much.He was the greatest
Me too. He's one of my favorite video game characters.
The writers at Naughty Dog should be fired for what they had done to Joel.
Song pls ?
@@masterdrake43i was sad that Joel died but i still love The game and accepted his Fate. And Abby IS also a good character
I’ve never even played the last of us and this shot made me tear up
Yeah me too. I’ve also never played the games, but I’ve seen the first little bit of a UA-cam walkthrough of TLOU Part 2, and spoiler, I actually cried when Joel died
Sure thing
Your missing out
@@duckyplays7390 I don’t have the hardware to do it
@notyourbodypillowofficial in that case I would recommend watching a playthrough on YT. Both TLOU games are incredible, but part 2 is amazing (probably a controversial opinion but I stick by it).
Imagine tommy and Jesse and a Ellie helped joel
That's what should of happened
Fr, we all wished for this to happen and let the epic duo have another adventure together
Music name is Dark Beach
your welcome guys.
thanks, this should be higher, i'll click to do my part!
Thank you ❤
Still looking for this version… there’s so many! Vossi is the closest I’ve found but still not as slow as this one.
Much appreciated! But how do you find the exact! Same track as this ?
Jessie was a real one. Couldn't let it go down like that. Not on his conscience
Lame
Yeah except that he did😂
I wish bro I would’ve been so happy and shocked how he survived that
When I first played the game I thought it was Tommy
Joel is a great character he’s like a great father figure to Ellie his job was to smuggle her but he ended up loving here he’s a real misunderstood character
We have eyes and are able to understand the 9th grade level plot of the first game
No shit
Now that I've seen this. This could have been a pretty cool spin if we went from flashbacks of younger Ellie and Joel together, to all of a sudden older Ellie starts having a mental breakdown and every time she was having an episode in a dangerous moment there was Joel "coming back from the dead" to be the calm in her head.
Like imagine a scene where she starts to breakdown right before she goes looking for more WLFs that are on the other side of a destroyed wall and Joel comes crouching up next to her, says he will take care of it. Then you get to play as Joel for a moment, but once you leave the area it enters a cutscene where we find out it was actually Ellie the entire time.
Reminds me of Lee and clementine from the walking dead game, where clementine has encounters with lee in her own mind but at the age she is at that moment and him knowing exactly whats going on even though he is dead
That would be so cool!
You can see it in her eyes,for a few moments she genuinely thinks it’s Joel who’s behind her and I believe at that moment she really wished it was him.💔
after his death , all of the fan made re-entery of joel feels a blessing to my heart
I feel like Ellie would have a more emotional reaction
Maybe she could have been hallucinating Joel being there
This trailer was released before it was known that Joel was killed. It was a way for Naughty Dog to market the release of the game. I don’t see this as a good marketing strategy though, since you’re blatantly lying to your audience
@@BigN00bwell, this is not the first time that happened and won't be the last, companies r going full with tactics like this for years now
@@BigN00bso you wanted them to spoil Joel dying doesn’t make sense a lot of people wouldn’t even have played the game because they would be so mad about Joel dying
@@Zekeriah Not necessarily spoil the death, but I would have preferred just including more clips of Ellie and Joel together. The leaks didn’t help much either
Correction: what they gave us vs what they had promised
Literally didn’t promise that, but okay. If you didn’t see Joel’s death coming a mile away. You’re stupid and you’re expectations are delusional.
They didn’t actually promise us that, the trailer showed Ellie’s braingames missing Joel. A ghost.
@@lionelfranklin4529yes, but only after playing the game did we know that
@@lionelfranklin4529that would have been a cool concept but that isnt the case its just a bait and switch i bet if it was an ea game youd be pissed
They never promised
Ptsd flashbacks going wild
Joel you are always in Ellie's hearts .
I had no clue so many other people played through this game like I did I actually enjoyed it but I do wish they had kept Joel around him and Ellie’s bond is what made this game so great
Nah man you’re the only one who got a copy
just finished this game two days ago, the gameplay is hella fun.
Man, I think this would’ve been amazing
It just make me cry seeing Joel know that he die's later on
RIP Joel 😢😢
Back in the day of the trailers, I thought the vengeance would have been because of Dina and not Joel 🤡
why would we care to get revenge for a brand new character that died within 2 hours😭
@@FA_Machina that's why i felt like a silly joke 🤣. Also I thought maybe we were exploring more of Ellie and her trauma of losing beloved people, she lost Reilly in the past so I thought that background make her vebgeful?... I don't know I'm glad I was wrong 😂😂
@@FA_Machinaremember tess
@@strikebomber2944 but we didn’t have any real feel to get revenge for her or have anything to do because of her. yes she was the reason joel went all the way with ellie but that was how he felt, not me. maybe you felt differently im not sure
Making me cry already in the morning, huh?
Honestly, I preferred Jesse being there he’s one of the most underrated characters of the series in my opinion
Nah I'm legit crying right now I miss Joel fr
We Need Joel back
RIP to the man who was our saviour
We all wished for him to see his "future days"
No we dont
Its just awful that they actually didn't let Joel had his last walkthrough with Ellie, I got so happy when Joel said that in the trailer
It was on purpose and they got you good😂😂😂
@@lazygamer923What you smoking
It was to avoid spoilers to proper humans unlike you
Hey atleast we get the flashback chapter.. Its something right ?
Would you as a player really cared about getting your revenge for Dina the way we all felt when getting our revenge for Joel like the devs wanted us to
@@pineapple599we didnt get to kill abby....
A few moments ago, during the first scene, I thought it was possible that Joel came back to life 😢😢
God that would’ve been amazing. I was so upset and cried the first time I play tlou2.
Man i got goosebumps when he said :You think I'd let you do this your own 😢
Damn they fr robbed us of one last Ellie and Joel kickass team up for the game. That right there would have made all the money
Yeah, they could've milked Joel and Ellie for every dollar, they chose to tell a story instead. Not the story a lot of people wanted, but at least it wasn't a soulless cash grab.
@@Fangtornrespect for that
@@Fangtorn❤
@@Fangtornpretty horrible story writing I mean seriously a long and awkward cheating sex scene?😐
@@buenosdias232 The writing was some of the best in video games. The sex scene wasn't that long, it was meant to be awkward, and the cheating had consequences. It also contrasts with Ellie's confession and sex scene with Dina, continuing the theme of her and Abby's story mirroring each other. I don't why you would choose that as an example of bad writing.
If I don't magically see a joel come back I will have a mental breakdown
I instantly crossed my legs when he pulled out the straw
I missed Joel so much and i hated it with my whole heart that we had to play as Abby. But I also liked Jessie. AND ABBY KILLED HIM TOO!!
Naughty dog trying to make us like abby to just pissed me off even more
Yup
@@overlykid3223Well, me and a Lot of people understood Abby's side, and also understood that there is no right side in this game. This requires a certain amount of maturity, so I already imagined that a lot of people would hate the game just because the beloved character died.
@JB-jt6oq they could have done better tho lol
I committed suicide with Abby several times in a row to try to get rid of her
"I know you wish things were different I wish things were different... But they ain't" - Joel Miller
Edit: yooooo 1k that's the best I've gotten thx
Edit:2K!?!? how much do you like this comment?
Sounds an awful lot like Arthur Morgan
U can always relive it on ps5 the new remastered version is amazing I’m playing it for the first time
@@jimmyboyjbh9334what remastered version? Tlou part 2?
@@edias8260 chapter finding strings search it up
@@hackerman2552I think he meant the first one
Without Joel. She at least still had a valuable ally. Almost like Joel somehow sent him to her. In his place.
Having PTSD Joel would have really hit hard having him guide Ellie
Bro, I got literal chills dude, this would’ve made the game so much better
but would it?
No i don't think
This is the kind of wish fulfillment people who grieve feel
It made sense that Joel would let his guard down to save a girl of Ellie’s age
It’s the closest a video game could get to us feeling the real loss of a loved one
@@bink5242yes it would, they killed Joel in the first few minutes of the game
@@atlasgaming0622 its like an hour and a half in☠️☠️ also it probably wouldnt. what reason would there be to make a game if joel was still alive
FACTS 🥹 RIP JOEL🙏🏾
What I wouldve wanted:
"What are u doing here? "
"Hey it's me! Goku! "
This breaks my heart since this couldn't happen
Wow. That hurt a lot more than I expected. This breaks my heart.
I wish joel had longer role in tlou2❤️
fr
This hits so much harder and would have been so much deeper. Joel was one of a kind the man a lot want to be yes he has issues but his loyalty knows no bounds and I think we have lost that
We all wish this could’ve happened
Omg why am I tearing up
Saw this coming a mile away and still got teary eyed. ❤He was the dad she never had and nobody can tell me otherwise.
Rest in Peace and power Joel Miller we'll all find something to fight for
It should've been her hallucinating to see Joel but then realize its jessie.
They really got us with that one😢