Paul makes every single synth sound like Orbital. I think he's got a secret special adaptor that he fits on every synth that comes through the studio door.....
One of the best albums I’ve ever heard featuring the ARP2600 & Odyssey is Klaus Schulze - Timewind . Now that has some wicked sequences. Bayreuth Return is awesome.
Klaus and those German musicians were the pioneers and definite masters of these Synths, a lot of the musicians that came after them were just the also rans and were here today gone tomorrow lightweight wannabes.
cuz you need to hear alot of the synth' parameters to one day have the muscle memory, making you capable of reaching places with the machine. There are certain edges and cliffs on synthesizer that make it sounds the way you want your synth to sound. only at that moment you can reach the intention of sonic yearning.
It's significant that Paul Hartnoll compares the Odyssey to the early Roland models, since I've got a JX-8p with a PG-800 programmer, the panel of which loosely resembles the Odyssey because of the sliders and non-linear layout. Obviously not loaded with identical features to the Odyssey, but it motivated me to buy a secondhand Axxe Mk II. (I can't express enough how thankful I am that the reissued Odyssey has twice excluded the protruding keyboard whose presence in the late 70s ARP models resulted in my Axxe coming to me - sold as is - with a damaged A key.) Now for a loaded question: since you've got the USB port installed in the back panel, is there a way that a computer, tablet or phone could be used to create external patch memory storage? Or, would that kind of implementation have interfered with the Odyssey's architecture?
you can do massive kick and snare with the " drive " button and a very short attack and decay, it's a little monster, i think i buy it soon because it's been a long time i need a real analog synth.
Dee Patrick I went with the Boss RE-20, it works with my ARP2600 nice without being so expensive. The Boss RE-20 Space Echo is a digital version of the Roland Space Echo, which isn't as good as the iconic analog Roland Space Echo, but it's very inexpensive in comparison and does also have reverb.
Search on 'Frequency Modulation synthesis' for tutorials/explanations. It's when you modify the tone coming out of an oscillator via modulation of the frequency as it produces a sound. This is contrasted with subtractive synthesis, which uses filters to modify the tone of an oscillator after the sound comes out.
Scott Boone so it changes the sound frequency while it's being produced, instead of changing it after the sound is produced using a filter. I'm assuming which will cause a richer more intensive sound. probably why I loved one of my favorite electronic bands called ORBITAL. Because they produced such intensive frequency changes during their live shows I almost couldn't believe it.
Frequency Modulation Synthesis can produce a complex audible waveform. If you know how a low frequency oscillator modulates the pitch of an oscillator of audible frequency, the same occurs with FM, except that the frequency of the modulating oscillator is no longer Low. If you were to modulate a an audible oscillator' frequency with that of another audible oscillator running at the same frequency, the pitch would be rising and falling every waveform cycle for that audible oscillator. The effect is that you wouldn't really hear the rise and fall of pitch because it all happens within the span of a single cycle of that oscillator. Instead what happens is that the shape of the waveform is stretched and compressed very quickly in the space of one cycle causing a new waveform essentially. It is this new waveform that is the interesting aspect of FM because the waveform has a relationship not only to the frequency of the modulator but also to the modulation depth. Using simple sine wave oscillators, one for sound and one for modulating will produce a waveform of significant complexity and that's just with two sine waves -much much more complex than adding two sine wave oscillators together. I hope that description isn't too complicated.
Sorry Paul, but you CAN have pulse width modulation on your ARP 2600. You just have to route a control signal (an envelope or the LFO) into the oscillator 2 pulse pwm input (prewired to the noise generator). You can't have PWM on any oscillator other than #2, though...
In my opinion the ARP Odyssey sounds better than the Matrixbrute. I don't own either (yet) but when I test them both regularly in my music store the ARP always wins for sounds and ease of use. I can get some great harmonics from the Matrixbrute but I can get some better ones from the ARP. Matrix brute looks good, ARP Odyssey sounds good
I happen to own both and I don't really see a point in comparing them. One is a 5kg wonderful thing to tweak your sound on the go. The other is four times the size with literally endless possibilites. ENDLESS. I think you're judgement on the MB is a bit harsh from spending time in a music store :)
For comping I wonder what yet to come of arpeggio and playing key modes. The difference between this and my Korg Triton Workstation is rather astounding in.. this concept they have to make playing keys your go to menu strategy, but now I'm getting into synthesis and the aspect of playing is very important to me. So the current station is configurable, if you call anything similar to the Minilogue as such. The Odyssey I am curious only of it's module model so to route in my workstation, then adjust for accompanying hand arrangements. My mastering machine is the MV-8800, and right away I already hear murmuring comprehension in the firm apprehension to digital beatmakers. But I've found the pad media capabilities are ahead of time, in the good way.
👍🏻😂 Those fuckin' people.... it's a 1:1 clone with extras, but there's always some sausage-fingered mongoloid who claims to be able to hear the difference as clear as day, and shuns everyone for owning one. If only they spent a fraction of the time they normally spend lurking on gearslutz, *actually making music* they'd be just as broke and not famous as the rest of us!
+Jon Watkins Yes, it's unmistakably the Korg reissue, often refered to as the KARP. 1 of the dead giveaways is the 2 small toggleswitches near the VCF and output sections in the top right corner, for changing filter revision and VCA drive respectively - features the original didn't have. Also the 3rd revision with the orange and black colourscheme had protruding keys, the KARP reissue have a relatively deeper base chassis to protect the keys.
I've been singing like a canary over the non-protruding keys since it came out. Singing louder now that the module is on the market. Haven't gotten either yet, but the module is almost self-oscillating at me. If I didn't already have six synths (two of them analog, one of them a modeling synth with a virtual patch matrix), I would already have one of these buggers in my rig.
I do love my odyssey but the ms-20 is less then half the price of the arp and in my opinion sounds better i think korg got everyone paying for that ARP name! sons of bitches!
You cannot say is it better! I love my arp odyssey mk i too. Ms 20 have different capabilities. And it is 2nd best of. But Arp oscilators and modulations is make it the most modulations in a performance way then a modular could. You dont need modular, after Arp odyssey..it is pointless.
Paul makes every single synth sound like Orbital. I think he's got a secret special adaptor that he fits on every synth that comes through the studio door.....
he's slightly ahead of us in the future, like two and a half weeks ahead
his mind is the adaptor
he just has a very good grasp on synthesis
and when your like that you can make the sounds you want on any synth
that has the right functions
This was hands down the best demo I've seen of the Odyssey, at least for my tastes.
Yep me too ...and as a result, I've just bought one :-)
it´s fckng Paul Hartnoll, dude... what did you expect?
@@liantrosretrospectiva4134 Nothing less!
That sounds so damn good. I definitely want an Odyssey now.
So happy to own a vintage one from 1974 - still working and soundig fresh. Very nice review here, well done!
This needs to be twice as long!
Love your explanation and little demo. It was playing back in my head so I came back and wrote
Great Orbital show in Glasgow last night!
What a killer bass loop the odyssey is a beast
I'd buy that tune. And the synth.
I can't get my Odyssey to sound anywhere near this expressive and loose, but hearing this is a nice reminder that it's indeed possible.
3:50 He gives you the “formula” =)
Legends of Electronic Music
Orbital 🦾
Awesome synth in the hands of an OG
This guy really knows. Talent wins out. And unlike a lot of promo vids, you can tell he’s actually spent time MAKING MUSIC with the KARP Odyssey.
A Real OG
One of the best albums I’ve ever heard featuring the ARP2600 & Odyssey is Klaus Schulze - Timewind . Now that has some wicked sequences. Bayreuth Return is awesome.
Klaus and those German musicians were the pioneers and definite masters of these Synths, a lot of the musicians that came after them were just the also rans and were here today gone tomorrow lightweight wannabes.
Hey Paul, Thanx for all the inspiration,..
A beautiful demonstration of what this beast can do.
That was bloody brilliant.
'Used' to be in Orbital... Haha, You still are and always will be.. And rightly so sir!
Great synth and excellent demo...
soooo goood..
"used to be in a band called Orbital"
this made me really sad
Orbital is back together, according to the latest issue of MOJO Magazine.
I saw them live this month and it looks like they're working on a new album.
thanks Dimitar, you made me smile!
Check out their brand new album: Monsters Exist
Why do I get the feeling if I bought one, I couldn't get it sounding this good.
cuz you need to hear alot of the synth' parameters to one day have the muscle memory, making you capable of reaching places with the machine. There are certain edges and cliffs on synthesizer that make it sounds the way you want your synth to sound. only at that moment you can reach the intention of sonic yearning.
@@noordholland648 in other words practice more
I love my Odyssey. And I am looking forward what will come next from ARP!
Nothing apparently.
Looking at the module version of this for a rather nice price, this has sold me!
That sounded friggin awesome.
Life on mars will always be the 1st to come to mind when i hear 2600
Check out what Billy Currie does on an ARP Odyssey on Sleepwalk by Ultravox
A soaring solo indeed
Is this ARP Odyssey an original (1970s) machine, or a modern re-issue? Did ARP re-introduce it?
It's a modern re-issue, by Korg. Sonically it has more or less been found to be identical...
ua-cam.com/video/eUASXiJMnU4/v-deo.html
Best Behringer advert ever.
I almost came.
Does anyone know where the drum sounds are from? And what are the notes?
i miss all my gear from years back Roland 505 groove box rm1x yamaha juno 106 and me roland 606 grrr all to bloody come back to england sold. grrrr
Sounds Inspiring...............
It's significant that Paul Hartnoll compares the Odyssey to the early Roland models, since I've got a JX-8p with a PG-800 programmer, the panel of which loosely resembles the Odyssey because of the sliders and non-linear layout. Obviously not loaded with identical features to the Odyssey, but it motivated me to buy a secondhand Axxe Mk II. (I can't express enough how thankful I am that the reissued Odyssey has twice excluded the protruding keyboard whose presence in the late 70s ARP models resulted in my Axxe coming to me - sold as is - with a damaged A key.)
Now for a loaded question: since you've got the USB port installed in the back panel, is there a way that a computer, tablet or phone could be used to create external patch memory storage? Or, would that kind of implementation have interfered with the Odyssey's architecture?
Nice demo , thanks !
My next synth
Fack, that is an awesome tune!
used to be in a band called orbital there still going did they jack it in for a bit ?
Yeah number of years, Paul went to doing more sound design stuff and Phil DJ'd
pure bangin tune lad
I'm always amazed how some of these big name producers have such small home studios. Anyone else?
and he's using Ableton Live...
If paul says its good.
"...tight bottom end..."
Beast!....referring to Paul
how do you do to make shitty patches with an Odyssey ???
it is the korg one?
you can do massive kick and snare with the " drive " button and a very short attack and decay, it's a little monster, i think i buy it soon because it's been a long time i need a real analog synth.
Foot began tapping at the 5 minute mark 😂
2:58
I want to buy an fx pedal for my Arp. an analog delay or analog reverb. I can only afford one. What would you pick? :)
Always delay, far more flexible than just reverb.
reverb.com/item/3240983-endangered-audio-research-ad4096-mk2
Dee Patrick I went with the Boss RE-20, it works with my ARP2600 nice without being so expensive. The Boss RE-20 Space Echo is a digital version of the Roland Space Echo, which isn't as good as the iconic analog Roland Space Echo, but it's very inexpensive in comparison and does also have reverb.
how is he sequencing the ARP? the electribe is purely drums innit?
I've been hearing slot about this "FM" sound. I know it's not about the radio but don't quite know what it really means, someone please explain.
Search on 'Frequency Modulation synthesis' for tutorials/explanations. It's when you modify the tone coming out of an oscillator via modulation of the frequency as it produces a sound. This is contrasted with subtractive synthesis, which uses filters to modify the tone of an oscillator after the sound comes out.
Scott Boone ThAnks Scott that was a great explanation, an I can sort of understand. I appreciate it.
Scott Boone so it changes the sound frequency while it's being produced, instead of changing it after the sound is produced using a filter. I'm assuming which will cause a richer more intensive sound. probably why I loved one of my favorite electronic bands called ORBITAL. Because they produced such intensive frequency changes during their live shows I almost couldn't believe it.
Frequency Modulation Synthesis can produce a complex audible waveform. If you know how a low frequency oscillator modulates the pitch of an oscillator of audible frequency, the same occurs with FM, except that the frequency of the modulating oscillator is no longer Low. If you were to modulate a an audible oscillator' frequency with that of another audible oscillator running at the same frequency, the pitch would be rising and falling every waveform cycle for that audible oscillator. The effect is that you wouldn't really hear the rise and fall of pitch because it all happens within the span of a single cycle of that oscillator. Instead what happens is that the shape of the waveform is stretched and compressed very quickly in the space of one cycle causing a new waveform essentially. It is this new waveform that is the interesting aspect of FM because the waveform has a relationship not only to the frequency of the modulator but also to the modulation depth. Using simple sine wave oscillators, one for sound and one for modulating will produce a waveform of significant complexity and that's just with two sine waves -much much more complex than adding two sine wave oscillators together. I hope that description isn't too complicated.
the BBC radiophonic workshop had a few
HOLY FUCK, that synth sounds DOPE AS SHIT.
Shit sound as DOPE as you could imagine
Sorry Paul, but you CAN have pulse width modulation on your ARP 2600. You just have to route a control signal (an envelope or the LFO) into the oscillator 2 pulse pwm input (prewired to the noise generator). You can't have PWM on any oscillator other than #2, though...
Trip-E-O He said that you can't do it as easy as on the odyssey not that you can't at all
listening to half a sentence , oops we heard him!
Don t uncerstabc a word but I love you
I love the edginess of the filter. Unlike the typical warm sound of Moog filters, with the Arp you get mean and nasty.
is this the reissue?
nice intro: never had an odyssey, but the new one sounds close the old one....
In my opinion the ARP Odyssey sounds better than the Matrixbrute. I don't own either (yet) but when I test them both regularly in my music store the ARP always wins for sounds and ease of use. I can get some great harmonics from the Matrixbrute but I can get some better ones from the ARP. Matrix brute looks good, ARP Odyssey sounds good
I happen to own both and I don't really see a point in comparing them. One is a 5kg wonderful thing to tweak your sound on the go. The other is four times the size with literally endless possibilites. ENDLESS. I think you're judgement on the MB is a bit harsh from spending time in a music store :)
Yeah... that was dirty!
For comping I wonder what yet to come of arpeggio and playing key modes. The difference between this and my Korg Triton Workstation is rather astounding in.. this concept they have to make playing keys your go to menu strategy, but now I'm getting into synthesis and the aspect of playing is very important to me. So the current station is configurable, if you call anything similar to the Minilogue as such. The Odyssey I am curious only of it's module model so to route in my workstation, then adjust for accompanying hand arrangements. My mastering machine is the MV-8800, and right away I already hear murmuring comprehension in the firm apprehension to digital beatmakers. But I've found the pad media capabilities are ahead of time, in the good way.
Seriously, wtf are you talking about ?
Right. I thought I kinda understood it at first, but then I read it again and I'm lost.
Comment been removed for asking Wtf someone is talking about. The world is a gaping vagina.
And all the corksniffers together now, 1,2,3,
" But why the minikeys and it sounds nothing like the original Odyssey..."
👍🏻😂 Those fuckin' people.... it's a 1:1 clone with extras, but there's always some sausage-fingered mongoloid who claims to be able to hear the difference as clear as day, and shuns everyone for owning one. If only they spent a fraction of the time they normally spend lurking on gearslutz, *actually making music* they'd be just as broke and not famous as the rest of us!
whopper noise floor! is that the arp or shitty camera sound?
add a 909 kick and you have a hit
that is the korg reissue he's got there isn't it?
+Jon Watkins Yes, it's unmistakably the Korg reissue, often refered to as the KARP. 1 of the dead giveaways is the 2 small toggleswitches near the VCF and output sections in the top right corner, for changing filter revision and VCA drive respectively - features the original didn't have.
Also the 3rd revision with the orange and black colourscheme had protruding keys, the KARP reissue have a relatively deeper base chassis to protect the keys.
+Marc the Darc and the smaller kids.
And sometimes referred to as the KRAP Odyssey!
MisAnnThorpe no
I've been singing like a canary over the non-protruding keys since it came out. Singing louder now that the module is on the market. Haven't gotten either yet, but the module is almost self-oscillating at me.
If I didn't already have six synths (two of them analog, one of them a modeling synth with a virtual patch matrix), I would already have one of these buggers in my rig.
Shame they fucked up with the FS version. It would be easier to get hold of rocking horse shit.
I do love my odyssey but the ms-20 is less then half the price of the arp and in my opinion sounds better i think korg got everyone paying for that ARP name! sons of bitches!
no, an arp can sound like a moog model d, my ms20 cant do that... and the arp is way more flexible, but of course it could be cheaper
You cannot say is it better! I love my arp odyssey mk i too. Ms 20 have different capabilities. And it is 2nd best of. But Arp oscilators and modulations is make it the most modulations in a performance way then a modular could. You dont need modular, after Arp odyssey..it is pointless.
ray ramon the arp is easier to program.
And, the module is cheaper.