This video is a must watch for most avg. golfers... too many are carrying long irons that aren't working out for them..and alot of people aren't aware of the better options..good job 2nd Swing 👍
Great video. I personally think that as an industry, you can't have a bigger indictment of the industry as a whole, than just watching this video, seeing an 80mph swing, and then knowing the industry has programmed the purchase of a 4 iron and 3wood as useable clubs - they're not. Skylar's swing (great job) probably represents the heart of the golf swing bell curve, where the last iron should be a 6-iron at most, then 6 & 5 hybrids, then 7-wood, 5-wood, then Driver. Let's make the game easier, more fun & lower handicaps.
Thanks for watching! I also agree there are too many players playing a 3,4 or 5 iron in their bag when there is no need and these other options provide great alternatives - Thomas
Top of my bag goes D, 4W, HW, 2H SureFit at max loft, and 5H. Almost never use the 4W, the H/7W is for teeing off par 3s, and the others get me down fairways when I don't slice into the rough.
Hey, I know her. Nice swings Skylar. I guess I would promote having at least one hybrid in the bag to help with longer shots from the rough where I often play from. :-)
I replaced my 5 and 6 irons this year with 26 and 29 degree Mizuno Fli-hi hybrids with the same steel shafts as my irons. Absolute money! I miss off the toe a fair amount, and the hybrids have been so much more consistent and forgiving. It would make a good video if you tried this out. Hybrids as a true iron replacement is a game changer.
I have hard time with the 5 iron. it's is only 6-7 meter in carry between that and my 6 iron. Which is the longest iron in the bag. Thinking on replace it something else. I don't like hybrids. They go left for me. But tested the JPX Fli-Hi with a $-taper lite 100 steel shaft. I have never hit a better hybrid. No shots went left. Just small fades on every shot.
Welcome to the channel Skylar, congratulations on a very nice swing👍 Bag composition as well as being Player dependant should also be Course dependant IMO At my home Course, I carry a Driver, a 19 & 22deg hybrid, then my Irons are 6-PW, 2 Wedges & a Putter. But I also carry 4 Driving Iron which I only use for my 2nd shot on a downhill Par5 where I hit a low running stinger shot. Next year I am planning to make notes of which clubs I use and I intend to remove any clubs that I'm not using regularly. PS I walk with a Carry Bag, so any weight I can save is beneficial,
Great points. More links style firm layouts can benefit from a lower trajectory to get more roll, but at the same time if those greens are firm a higher spinning shot can provide better stopping power. - Thomas
My longest iron is a 5i, which has 25 degrees of loft, anything lower lofted than that is a struggle. Until 4 weeks ago I carried a 5w (18 degrees), 3h (19 degrees), 4 hybrid (23 degrees) but I always struggled to launch the 3h enough, it would get the total distance I wanted but only because it ran out a bit. I have changed the 3h for a 7w which is just massively more consistent and I now have pretty good gapping from 5i to 4h to 7w (10-11 yards gap). Only problem I have now is that it goes the same distance as my 5w (a 5 year old Epic).
i have the similar setup, however my 6 iron is 25 degrees and is my lowest lofted iron. (170-175 carry club) i play 25 degree 5 hybrid (180-185 carry club) and 22 degree 4 hybrid (190-195 carry club) 19 degree 5 wood (205-215 carry) 15 degree 3 wood (220-225 carry) I only use the 3 wood off the tee as a backup to my driver. Anything 220 yards or more i will simply layup with a 5 wood since my misses off the deck are so much better with it. I have enough speed to play a 4-5 iron, I just don't have the consistency. All of my buddies poke fun at me for having so many head covers but it works for me and my wallet. I am a boggy golfer if that makes any differences. Ill give the 4-5 iron another chance once i get better at striking my 6.
@@dstruong86 If it works for you then it is the right set up. What I find interesting is that I hit my 25 degree 5i the same distance as you hit your 25 degree 6i, I might even be a few yards longer but after that you are a club longer than me - your 5h goes about the distance of my 23 degree 4h and your 5w despite being a degree weaker than mine goes 10-12 yards longer than mine. Just shows that golf is a very funny game
Thanks for your feedback. What about a 9w? or a 5w replacement. I wish I could convince more golfers into a high lofted fairway wood if they don't hit the hybrid high enough - Thomas
@@2ndswing I have tested the latest Epic 9w against a 7w, my 5w and a 4w. With the same shaft they all carried the same distance! (actually the 9w was 2 yards shorter). A 9w is definitely something more people should try. Only problem now is that with the 7w carrying 195-200 yards, I need to find a club that will do 205-210 yards carry, either that or just accept that if I have over 200 yards to the green that is 2 shots not one
My 4 iron is one of my favourite clubs and I generally hit it well. But...I'm not great with fairway woods so I struggle to hit anything longer than 200yds consistently. I've recently added a 4 hybrid (20°) to the bag and so far it's working out good. Only had it a few weeks so more improvement required but generally happy with the addition.
Was stuck between a sim2 ti 5 wood or a sim2 max 7 wood. Went with the 21* 7 wood, I could have adjusted the loft on the 5 and made it a 21* but I really wanted a 7w. As a lefty I had to buy a ladies flex and switch my hybrid shaft into it
It’s funny, but I was going through the exact same process today. I lost my 4 iron when I switched irons, and now have a gapping issue between my 5 iron and my 4H. I hit my 5 iron 180 and my 4H 205, so have been looking for a 190 club. (As a side note, I dropped my 3 wood because I can’t hit it off the deck for my life, and my 5 wood is perfect. I only lose 15 yards, but so much more consistent and versatile). I tried a 5H, a 4 utility iron and a 9 wood. The 9 wood actually launched the highest, but it went a little too far for what I was looking for (might try taking the loft up a touch and see if I can get the distance closer to 190-195 vs. 195-200). Loved the 4 utility, felt like it would be great off the tee, but worry about any shot from the rough. Will probably settle on the 5H as it went 190-195 with good height. I do think the tester might like the 9 wood as the 4 iron replacement, and should give it a try. Nice video as always Thomas!
Thanks for watching. Your comments just reinforce the need for a gapping analysis. Just because you have a 4 iron and then a 4 hybrid it doesn't mean that would be the right gap as hybrids generally go further than their iron replacement. End of the day it doesn't matter what number is written on the club it's the number the club goes . - Thomas
Despite hitting irons very well, being a 4 handicap and having a driver swing speed right at 100 MPH, for many years I struggled with clubs between my driver and my irons, especially when hitting off the ground, due to my combination of swing path and angle of attack. What I struggled with was getting the ball to launch with some height to achieve a decent amount of carry distance. Regardless of whether I used a 4 iron, 3 hybrid or 3 wood they were all going about the same distance and I was also fighting a hook. The solution for me was to trade in a bunch of old clubs that weren’t performing for me and use the proceeds to get clubs with more loft paired with heavier and stiffer shafts with less torque. I now have in my bag a Taylormade SIM Ti 19 deg. 5 wood lofted down to 17 with a Diamana Limited 75 gram stiff shaft which is outstanding off the tee, goes 225 yards with a penetrating low spin flight and produces a very consistent draw. Next is a Tour Edge XCG7 21 deg. 7 wood with a 60 gram Fujikura Fuel Red stiff shaft which is especially good off the ground, goes 205 yards, gives me lots of height and flies straight. One of my favorite clubs now. Then I go to a Tour Edge C721 25 deg 5 hybrid with a KBS TGI 80 g Stiff shaft that produces a very tight draw, goes 190 yards with a trajectory that is very flat. Next is a Tour Edge XCG7 28 deg. 6 hybrid with the same 60 gram stiff shaft as in my 7 wood. It has a very flat face and produces a very high ball flight with a slight fade bias. Goes 175 yards and is great for par 3 tee shots. Recently put a new set of irons in the bag with more traditional lofts, my 6 iron now has 30 degrees of loft which is about what my old 7 iron had. Went with heavier shafts, playing the KBS $-Taper 120 g stiff and my ball flight, trajectory and dispersion really tightened up. The 6 iron goes 165 yards. All of the clubs mentioned, except one, were bought used, or as new old stock. Half of them bought online from 2nd Swing. The ones from 2nd swing were like brand new. Thanks for the great content, excellent service, superb products and inventory.
I carry a 4 iron and a 5 hybrid. I only use the 4 iron when I have to hit a low pitch out recovery shot...it is easier for me to hit it relatively solid and keep it low...my hybrid gets up too quickly.
yep yep, just ditched my 4 iron , 5 wood & 3wood and put 3 & 4 hybrids in the bag, coincidentally shot my best 2 rounds straight out of the gates. 5 iron and 4 hybrid are the same loft but there's still a nice 15 yard gap between them and the hybrid can hold a green well
All the way down to 11 wood and I’ve never hit better long approaches. And I don’t get the toe miss or the lefts like I do with hybrids either. Interesting she hits 3 and 5 wood about the same though - I need to make sure mine actually gap well otherwise I’ll just leave the 3 wood out
Thanks for watching. Yes no need to have both in there if the do the same thing. 5wood will be easier to hit. Glad to hear you have found success with an 11 wood! - Thomas
To be honest .. for me in my long irons, the last thing I care about is height and descent angle. I'm looking for accuracy and distance with the long irons, not stopping the ball on greens. Everyone is different I suppose!
There's at least 1 shot a round I hit toey on my 3 or 4 hybrid that I know would've gone nowhere with an equivalent iron. As a high launchand spin player, I wish there were more dedicated even-numbered woods.
Thanks for your feedback. You do have adjustment options from some manufacturers, Titleist would be a good place to start if your looking at and even number wood as you can loft up 2* - Thomas
Always played fairway woods. Tried hybrids years ago and hated them. I've been playing an old set of bertha's in a 2,4,7, and 9 wood for years with good results.
Thanks for watching. Right now the Wilmington, DE would be the nearest store. All of our clubs are online at 2ndswing.com and if you ever have any questions you can always reach out to our sales and service team 612-216-4152 - Thomas
Skyler seems to consistently set up to the right, so might want to work on alinement. However, nice swing. I thought at the beginning that the 7-wood would be best for her and seems so.
This is going out to the vanitycaps that argue they have game for blades and the people who still think all of their irons need to be from 1 manufacturer.. if you don't carry a 4iron 200 MINIMUM -and- hit it well 9 out of 10 shots, you don't have the ball striking capability or ball speed to justify bagging it.. there are better options ask Webb Simpson
This video is a must watch for most avg. golfers... too many are carrying long irons that aren't working out for them..and alot of people aren't aware of the better options..good job 2nd Swing 👍
Thank you for the feedback!!!
Great video. I personally think that as an industry, you can't have a bigger indictment of the industry as a whole, than just watching this video, seeing an 80mph swing, and then knowing the industry has programmed the purchase of a 4 iron and 3wood as useable clubs - they're not. Skylar's swing (great job) probably represents the heart of the golf swing bell curve, where the last iron should be a 6-iron at most, then 6 & 5 hybrids, then 7-wood, 5-wood, then Driver. Let's make the game easier, more fun & lower handicaps.
Thanks for watching! I also agree there are too many players playing a 3,4 or 5 iron in their bag when there is no need and these other options provide great alternatives - Thomas
Top of my bag goes D, 4W, HW, 2H SureFit at max loft, and 5H. Almost never use the 4W, the H/7W is for teeing off par 3s, and the others get me down fairways when I don't slice into the rough.
Excellent video. I am struggling hitting my 3 hybrid. I might look at 7 wood. Any suggestions? I hit the 4 hybrid well, carrying around 168 yds..
I really like the G425 woods especially in the higher loft (7 & 9w) options - Thomas
Hey, I know her. Nice swings Skylar. I guess I would promote having at least one hybrid in the bag to help with longer shots from the rough where I often play from. :-)
Thanks for watching. It's great to have Skylar on the channel - Thomas
This was great but I would have liked to know what her 5-iron distance is and also would have liked her to hit a 9-wood. Nice vid!!
Thanks for watching! 9 wood would be interesting to see! - Thomas
I replaced my 5 and 6 irons this year with 26 and 29 degree Mizuno Fli-hi hybrids with the same steel shafts as my irons. Absolute money! I miss off the toe a fair amount, and the hybrids have been so much more consistent and forgiving. It would make a good video if you tried this out. Hybrids as a true iron replacement is a game changer.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your feedback. Sounds like it was a good move to go with the hybrids! - Thomas
I have hard time with the 5 iron. it's is only 6-7 meter in carry between that and my 6 iron. Which is the longest iron in the bag. Thinking on replace it something else. I don't like hybrids. They go left for me. But tested the JPX Fli-Hi with a $-taper lite 100 steel shaft. I have never hit a better hybrid. No shots went left. Just small fades on every shot.
Thanks for your feedback. Sounds like a great replacement - Thomas
Welcome to the channel Skylar, congratulations on a very nice swing👍
Bag composition as well as being Player dependant should also be Course dependant IMO
At my home Course, I carry a Driver, a 19 & 22deg hybrid, then my Irons are 6-PW, 2 Wedges & a Putter. But I also carry 4 Driving Iron which I only use for my 2nd shot on a downhill Par5 where I hit a low running stinger shot.
Next year I am planning to make notes of which clubs I use and I intend to remove any clubs that I'm not using regularly.
PS I walk with a Carry Bag, so any weight I can save is beneficial,
Great points. More links style firm layouts can benefit from a lower trajectory to get more roll, but at the same time if those greens are firm a higher spinning shot can provide better stopping power. - Thomas
My longest iron is a 5i, which has 25 degrees of loft, anything lower lofted than that is a struggle. Until 4 weeks ago I carried a 5w (18 degrees), 3h (19 degrees), 4 hybrid (23 degrees) but I always struggled to launch the 3h enough, it would get the total distance I wanted but only because it ran out a bit.
I have changed the 3h for a 7w which is just massively more consistent and I now have pretty good gapping from 5i to 4h to 7w (10-11 yards gap). Only problem I have now is that it goes the same distance as my 5w (a 5 year old Epic).
i have the similar setup, however my 6 iron is 25 degrees and is my lowest lofted iron. (170-175 carry club) i play 25 degree 5 hybrid (180-185 carry club) and 22 degree 4 hybrid (190-195 carry club) 19 degree 5 wood (205-215 carry) 15 degree 3 wood (220-225 carry)
I only use the 3 wood off the tee as a backup to my driver. Anything 220 yards or more i will simply layup with a 5 wood since my misses off the deck are so much better with it. I have enough speed to play a 4-5 iron, I just don't have the consistency.
All of my buddies poke fun at me for having so many head covers but it works for me and my wallet. I am a boggy golfer if that makes any differences.
Ill give the 4-5 iron another chance once i get better at striking my 6.
@@dstruong86 If it works for you then it is the right set up. What I find interesting is that I hit my 25 degree 5i the same distance as you hit your 25 degree 6i, I might even be a few yards longer but after that you are a club longer than me - your 5h goes about the distance of my 23 degree 4h and your 5w despite being a degree weaker than mine goes 10-12 yards longer than mine. Just shows that golf is a very funny game
Thanks for your feedback. What about a 9w? or a 5w replacement. I wish I could convince more golfers into a high lofted fairway wood if they don't hit the hybrid high enough - Thomas
@@2ndswing I have tested the latest Epic 9w against a 7w, my 5w and a 4w. With the same shaft they all carried the same distance! (actually the 9w was 2 yards shorter). A 9w is definitely something more people should try. Only problem now is that with the 7w carrying 195-200 yards, I need to find a club that will do 205-210 yards carry, either that or just accept that if I have over 200 yards to the green that is 2 shots not one
buy a set of irons.without jacked up lofts and get the correct shaft flex for you
My 4 iron is one of my favourite clubs and I generally hit it well. But...I'm not great with fairway woods so I struggle to hit anything longer than 200yds consistently. I've recently added a 4 hybrid (20°) to the bag and so far it's working out good. Only had it a few weeks so more improvement required but generally happy with the addition.
Thanks for watching and the feedback! The 4 hybrid sounds like a good choice to give you more distance than the 4iron - Thomas
Was stuck between a sim2 ti 5 wood or a sim2 max 7 wood. Went with the 21* 7 wood, I could have adjusted the loft on the 5 and made it a 21* but I really wanted a 7w. As a lefty I had to buy a ladies flex and switch my hybrid shaft into it
Thanks for watching! - Thomas
Excellent advice as always Thomas. It’s nice to hear that even a scratch golfer like yourself isn’t playing a 3i.
There is no room in my bag for a traditional 3iron I can hit it but not consistently - Thomas
It’s funny, but I was going through the exact same process today. I lost my 4 iron when I switched irons, and now have a gapping issue between my 5 iron and my 4H. I hit my 5 iron 180 and my 4H 205, so have been looking for a 190 club. (As a side note, I dropped my 3 wood because I can’t hit it off the deck for my life, and my 5 wood is perfect. I only lose 15 yards, but so much more consistent and versatile). I tried a 5H, a 4 utility iron and a 9 wood. The 9 wood actually launched the highest, but it went a little too far for what I was looking for (might try taking the loft up a touch and see if I can get the distance closer to 190-195 vs. 195-200). Loved the 4 utility, felt like it would be great off the tee, but worry about any shot from the rough. Will probably settle on the 5H as it went 190-195 with good height.
I do think the tester might like the 9 wood as the 4 iron replacement, and should give it a try. Nice video as always Thomas!
Thanks for watching. Your comments just reinforce the need for a gapping analysis. Just because you have a 4 iron and then a 4 hybrid it doesn't mean that would be the right gap as hybrids generally go further than their iron replacement. End of the day it doesn't matter what number is written on the club it's the number the club goes . - Thomas
Despite hitting irons very well, being a 4 handicap and having a driver swing speed right at 100 MPH, for many years I struggled with clubs between my driver and my irons, especially when hitting off the ground, due to my combination of swing path and angle of attack.
What I struggled with was getting the ball to launch with some height to achieve a decent amount of carry distance. Regardless of whether I used a 4 iron, 3 hybrid or 3 wood they were all going about the same distance and I was also fighting a hook.
The solution for me was to trade in a bunch of old clubs that weren’t performing for me and use the proceeds to get clubs with more loft paired with heavier and stiffer shafts with less torque.
I now have in my bag a Taylormade SIM Ti 19 deg. 5 wood lofted down to 17 with a Diamana Limited 75 gram stiff shaft which is outstanding off the tee, goes 225 yards with a penetrating low spin flight and produces a very consistent draw.
Next is a Tour Edge XCG7 21 deg. 7 wood with a 60 gram Fujikura Fuel Red stiff shaft which is especially good off the ground, goes 205 yards, gives me lots of height and flies straight. One of my favorite clubs now.
Then I go to a Tour Edge C721 25 deg 5 hybrid with a KBS TGI 80 g Stiff shaft that produces a very tight draw, goes 190 yards with a trajectory that is very flat.
Next is a Tour Edge XCG7 28 deg. 6 hybrid with the same 60 gram stiff shaft as in my 7 wood. It has a very flat face and produces a very high ball flight with a slight fade bias. Goes 175 yards and is great for par 3 tee shots.
Recently put a new set of irons in the bag with more traditional lofts, my 6 iron now has 30 degrees of loft which is about what my old 7 iron had. Went with heavier shafts, playing the KBS $-Taper 120 g stiff and my ball flight, trajectory and dispersion really tightened up. The 6 iron goes 165 yards.
All of the clubs mentioned, except one, were bought used, or as new old stock. Half of them bought online from 2nd Swing. The ones from 2nd swing were like brand new.
Thanks for the great content, excellent service, superb products and inventory.
Thank you for your detailed description of your clubs and for shopping at 2nd Swing! - Thomas
Very good golf swing. Her alignment is a little to the right which could have something to do with the shots to the right.
Thanks for watching. We have been working on Skyler's clubface as she also has a tendency to have the face open at impact - Thomas
I carry a 4 iron and a 5 hybrid. I only use the 4 iron when I have to hit a low pitch out recovery shot...it is easier for me to hit it relatively solid and keep it low...my hybrid gets up too quickly.
You just need to learn to play a 4hybrid punch with ball back in your stance
Thanks for your feedback - Thomas
yep yep, just ditched my 4 iron , 5 wood & 3wood and put 3 & 4 hybrids in the bag, coincidentally shot my best 2 rounds straight out of the gates.
5 iron and 4 hybrid are the same loft but there's still a nice 15 yard gap between them and the hybrid can hold a green well
Thanks for your feedback, I'm glad you have had success. - Thomas
All the way down to 11 wood and I’ve never hit better long approaches. And I don’t get the toe miss or the lefts like I do with hybrids either. Interesting she hits 3 and 5 wood about the same though - I need to make sure mine actually gap well otherwise I’ll just leave the 3 wood out
Thanks for watching. Yes no need to have both in there if the do the same thing. 5wood will be easier to hit. Glad to hear you have found success with an 11 wood! - Thomas
Great video - well done!
Thanks for watching - Thomas
I carry a G425 9-wood rather than a 4H. The 9W at 23.5 produces good distance and direction.
Thanks for your feedback. Glad to hear the 9W is working well for you! - Thomas
I’m a strange case. I use a #3 hybrid off the deck, but use a #2 driving iron off the tee and hit it great.
That's not strange at all. That tee helps with the driving iron and hybrid sole is easier off the turf. - Thomas
What is the most “anti-hook” hybrid out?
SIM 2 & G425 (flat setting) have been pretty anti left this year, if Tour players are playing the SIM 2 they must like it - Thomas
I totally agree with these findings. Out there in real life hybrids and fairway woods are more forgiving which leads to lower scores.
Thanks for watching, no doubt much easier to hit - Thomas
To be honest .. for me in my long irons, the last thing I care about is height and descent angle. I'm looking for accuracy and distance with the long irons, not stopping the ball on greens. Everyone is different I suppose!
Thanks for your feedback. It will also depend on the course you play as well - Thomas
Going from 3W 2I 4I to 2/3/4 hybrids adjusted for gapping changed my game for the better. Consistent distance and dispersion for me.
Glad to hear you had success with the change - Thomas
Just went from a 4 hybrid to a driving iron. So far, I am loving the iron. Gets enough height and can shape it, which is kind of surprising
Okay, but how does the driving iron perform on a side hill lie in the rough?
@@stephenrose4582 I wouldn't know, all the courses I play are flat. I'd probably use a lofted iron in that situation.
Thanks for your feedback! if it gives you the stopping power you need it sounds like a good option. - Thomas
There's at least 1 shot a round I hit toey on my 3 or 4 hybrid that I know would've gone nowhere with an equivalent iron.
As a high launchand spin player, I wish there were more dedicated even-numbered woods.
Thanks for your feedback. You do have adjustment options from some manufacturers, Titleist would be a good place to start if your looking at and even number wood as you can loft up 2* - Thomas
Always played fairway woods. Tried hybrids years ago and hated them. I've been playing an old set of bertha's in a 2,4,7, and 9 wood for years with good results.
Thanks for your feedback, it's going to be player dependent but the 7 & 9 woods are a good option. - Thomas
Please open a store in New England!
Thanks for watching. Right now the Wilmington, DE would be the nearest store. All of our clubs are online at 2ndswing.com and if you ever have any questions you can always reach out to our sales and service team 612-216-4152 - Thomas
God I can’t wait to get back out there!
Brilliant clip, makes me think I’ll try the same.
Thanks for watching - Thomas
Skyler seems to consistently set up to the right, so might want to work on alinement. However, nice swing. I thought at the beginning that the 7-wood would be best for her and seems so.
Thanks for watching! 7 wood is a great option for her - Thomas
This is going out to the vanitycaps that argue they have game for blades and the people who still think all of their irons need to be from 1 manufacturer.. if you don't carry a 4iron 200 MINIMUM -and- hit it well 9 out of 10 shots, you don't have the ball striking capability or ball speed to justify bagging it.. there are better options ask Webb Simpson
I agree that too many golfers are playing a 4iron and not many should play a 3iron. I like the Webb Simpson example - Thomas
Her swing is not that good. Trying to hit the ball far too hard with too much body action. Most of the time she is off balance at the end of the shot.
I bet she can beat you from the same tees.