Should You Trust Apple?
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Apple markets itself as a privacy company. But what does that really mean?
They just made some big announcements that will improve the privacy of the average person dramatically, but does that mean that YOU should use their products?
In this video, we’re going to dive into the details of their latest announcement about scrapping phone scanning and enabling iCloud backups, analyze Apple’s privacy track record, and explore whether their products are right for a privacy-conscious person.
00:00 Intro
01:25 Apple Privacy- The Good
03:46 Apple Privacy- The Bad
05:45 Apple’s Announcement
08:22 What is Advanced Data Protection?
09:58 FBI Response
10:50 Should You Use Apple Products?
11:51 Outro
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Trusting any corporation is like the Roadrunner trusting Wile E.Coyote to guard him while he sleeps btw, great breakdown and analysis, Naomi 👏🏾👏🏾.
You're always trusting coyotes, even the opensource ones. Wake up and realise you are NOT auditing the source code and you are solely relying on your dream that someone else is while you sleep.
@@therealb888 true, i agree. There is one thing that should be noted though. Corporations benefit from money and power, while open source doesn't receive the same benefits. Just don't over trust anything, but understand the incentives behind different actions that can be taken.
Law enforcement is scared to death of this. In the past, they could just serve a subpoena or a National Security Letter on companies like Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Google, etc. and gain access to a user’s data without the user ever knowing. But with this, law enforcement will have to demand the data from the user directly, and so far even the Roberts Court could rule that compelling someone to divulge their password is a Fifth Amendment violation. If law enforcement has to sue each person to get them to divulge their password, even this Supreme Court could prevent such conduct, taking away the government’s or law enforcement’s ability to illegally spy on us.
Apple has backdoors for data collection for law enforcement.
Thank you for neatly summarising all of this!
Since actually being private and secure requires a steep learning curve and serious nerding out in order to achieve, I think immediately using Apple's low effort solutions in the short term is a great stepping stone to quickly achieving a better than baseline level of privacy, as you discuss here. However one should still continue learning about/taking further steps to achieving real privacy later on, even if that means ultimately transitioning away from apple after becoming more educated in these matters.
She never mentioned that Apple gave all of their Apple customer data in Hong Kong during the Hong Kong protist to the Chinese Communist Party.
Excellent review. I recently degoogled a phone and while I was able to do what I needed I was left unsatisfied, mainly because I discovered that far too many apps that I needed had no privacy oriented equivalent... so that even though I ended up protected from data harvesting by google I was not protected from the app makers, and the battery drain was almost double that of stock Android.
So it is nice to find out that an iPhone might have a roughly similar level of privacy without all the extra work or limitations. For example just being able to use Apple maps with live traffic updates will be a huge plus.
SUGGESTIONS for future videos:
- A review of what we can do to further improve privacy on an iPhone. Like using an altenate privacy oriented email client, or backing up contacts and calendar to a privacy oriented webdav host. Basically, similar choices to what a degoogled phone guides us toward... might give us the best of both worlds.
- A privacy review of Apple Car Play, whether we should connect via cable or USB (the privacy behaviors are different - according to an apple support person I talked to).
- A privacy review of cars GPS and additional storing or transmitting of that data to the manufacturer, how to protect us from it, and how to wipe the history before going to the mechanic so that they can't download it and give it to their criminal buddies who could use it to plan tomrob you when you are not home.
Somewhat often is the case that a company will say they don't do something when they actually do.
Unless the code is open and you can see what is happening then the level is trust and belief you have should be at a appropriate level.
There needs to be a digital bill of rights allowing us to have control over our own information. We should by law be allowed to opt out of all data collection. Love your videos always have such great information
We focus on Apple when other companies do not do anything about its users privacy, but on the contrary they try to steal as much data as possible. At least Apple show signs that privacy is on its priorities when designing their services.
True
Apple find new ways to shit on their customers every year, it's because Apple customers are so stupid that it never affects their bottom line.
Its a fundamental problem in all big business, Pfizer is a colossal example and Nestle killed babies through their actions in the third world but people are stupid and forget, they still reach for a KitKat or Nescafe Azira.
When we become Hardened Citizens the world around us will transform into something beautiful as Businesses and Governments become ethical or face extinction.
Marketing. They know that users want privacy, so they convince them that they respect their privacy to win over more people. Everything they claim could be an actual effort to respect privacy, or could be complete/partial lies and bogus, and you'd likely never know for sure.
This video was recommended to me on homepage. This was phenomenal content in so far as a general primer video to share with others less-versed and interested. Very comprehensive overview and decently balanced/ fair. Excited to watch more content Naomi! Thanks!
Welcome!
Another excellent and well balanced video. Thank you once again Naomi.
Great info, thanks for posting this, though i was surprised to not see a mention of the fact that even when you completely shut down your ios phone, it still is talking to other devices via BLE. For now, it's essentially working as an apple airtag, but it's yet another avenue of privacy abuse in the future.
Awesome video I carry the attitude of gratitude with me every day. Thank you for sharing this video with us.
Pegasus entered, joined, and left the chat without Apple even knowing!
LOL!!!!
Thank you.
Suggest a video about app isolation because these depend on third party apps and not sure which is safe to use as it requires elevated permissions
Amazing information as always! Thanks :)
I don’t know if u didn’t mention or if I missed it but apple did already implement end to end encryption to iCloud as a standard for most iCloud data and recently went even further with the adding the option to enable advanced data protection which encrypts all of the data.
too bad this is only available for newer models, I have iphone 6
@@FruityHachi about time
Thanks!
For the end to end encryption your devices have to be up to date, I'm hoping that they eventually they push update out for older devices
They wouldn't do that. Removes incentive to buy a new device.
I think for the average person, Apple with Analytics and telemetry turned off is the perfect balance between ease of use and privacy. I know everyone says “Switch to linux” but my 90 year old grandparent can barely open MS Word let alone switch to a new OS so that wont rlly work for everyone.
This is important for the average person who has not spent the time and energy to delve deep into this subject. They're probably not going to. This is baked in and easy.
Exactly. Well said.
Thank you very much. Great video.
Great summary, what do you think of this now in light of apples advanced data protection?
What are some recommendations to make an Apple user more secure besides the e2e encryption just announced? Private Relay is pretty cool, plus the other stuff like IP hiding and MAC address randomization. In my (not expert) opinion they have taken care of the low hanging fruit at least. I don't like the tracking aspect, but I carry my phone and watch wherever I go so that is on me, not Apple.
I have one suggestion - enable Advanced Data Protection in Canada! I am in the PNW and apparently I can't enable it in my region yet.
Great info.
What is your opinion on lockdown mode on the iPhone
Another great video! Love this channel!
The thing is most people in my surroundings have iPhones so iMessage is good since they don’t want to download another communication app.
That being said I do want to make a slow migration to Graphene OS.
3:54 but wich video is it?
For me, this is a good step forward. I set it up this week, biggest issue is that one of my old macs had to be dropped from my iCloud account because it wasn't upgradable to Ventura, so it got wiped and will probably become a Linux box. I'm still waiting for a "HomeCloud" personal NAS device that sits on my home network and does all the iCloud stuff in a just-works kind of way, but I'm not holding my breath either.
Odd. I have macs running much older versions of macOS, and none of them have been dropped from my iCloud account. On the other hand, I don't backup any of my Macs to iCloud, so maybe it's just the backup-part which has been dropped?
@@garanceadrosehn9691 I think it's becauce I have shared Documents/Desktop/Apps folders via iCloud. MacOS backup is still done via Time Machine.
I tried OSmAnd offline and it was not usable for what I do. It was too basic
8:48 come on Craig, look at my photo damn it!! lol xD
Lineage, Graphene, and Calyx OS are the top three most private phone operating systems.
They are also shit for every other purpose.
They added etee to backups for messages and photos
Apple certainly isn’t the most private and trustworthy option. But, if tuned and optimized, their products can go a long way in reducing the attack surface and hardening security for many people in an easy way. Great video that looks at this objectively and avoids the hardcore gatekeeping of some other privacy UA-cam channels.
proprietary software = malware
Thanks!
@@marcopeterson805 lmfao tell that to the opensource malware hosted on github such as the debloat script trojan by armin & many more.
Keep your software politics out of cybersecurity.
If tuned and optimized, you can easily reduce the attack surface on any device including Android.
Like linux, android isn't one operating system. Moreover attack surface isn't the only factor. Overall security model is where apple shines. From timely longterm updates to actual bug bounties and audits big tech companies like apple are far more reliable than some unknown side project opensource OS that's barely seen any testing.
The most important factor for the big boys are cryptographic standards, Apple is ahead of any other brand here.
Call me cynical, but if you are not auditing the source code & pentesting yourself or by someone you trust and has an obligation or at least motivation to be honest (assuming competency), opensource is counter productive to security. Opensource relies on "many eyes", even that isn't guaranteed unless there is effort.
At the end of the day, I’m a busy person and I have to balance convenience, reliability and compatibility with privacy. It would be great to completely swap to something like Linux and Graphene OS, but I just need things to work. How much of this needs to fall completely on the end users?
Graphene is for the most part just like Android, to be honest. There are just a couple extra options for you and the freshly installed OS is very basic, so you will prolly want to customize quite a few things first. Unlike something like Samsung's Android OS. I recently made the jump and so far every app I want to use I can just use.
@@WickedMuis a question that I've always had about Graphene and the likes is that would apps such as banking or any other financial apps work? Privacy is great but if it hinders the day to day life you might as well just not use a phone at all. Carrying around handicapped tech is not much use.
@@hemajith223 I personally don't use my phone for banking or contactless payments (despite the tech being there). But I've seen others comment that they have no issues.
You'd need to ask around or on the official forum to check if people can confirm if your preferred banking app works.
@@hemajith223 i have had many problems with many apps wouldn't work without google services, even with the mirrored google services Installed they still didn't work. Really annoying. Much privacy just comes at a cost and thats convenience. There is a sweetspot, but Graphene was just to much for me to give out on.
@@CmStormKwosr12 That is exactly my experience as well. Which is why I personally keep going back to convenience. On a normal day to day busy life, it's pretty hard to be tinkering around so many things. I guess that's the way the majority of the normal people would see it as well.
What about the recent lawsuit from California talking about data being sent back to Apple without the users knowledge??
Serious question, *while ironically asking on a google owned platform* When other companies offer e2e encryption for storage, why does Apple even have to answer any questions or challenges from the FBI?
great video
What happens when they say your older devices can not be upgraded and must be disconnected from your id? Does that device get wiped? Frozen in time? Blocked from icloud connections?
Yes, I recently ran into the same issue. It just means they will be blocked from iCloud connections. If you can’t upgrade the device at the moment, and it’s a Mac, look up OCLP
5:01This also happens in the non VR realm, the act of preventing a conduct from happening. By treating everyone as potential criminal, there for force people to expose their identity, which then offers anyone of *SAME Ability* as stalking/tracking/trespass.
Even if you take your privacy seriously, others you know may not take their seriously. This exposes you. For ex - you know those apps that have in the fine print that they can have access to all your contacts by clicking “agree” unless you opt out? Well my friend bob may not know to opt out and there i am. Most people dont read the fine print…i do. And it’s disturbing.
Please make video on Samsung Knox security.
You can now turn on end to end encryption for iCloud
There’s also the option to backup iOS device directly to your Mac’s hard drive via the Finder using a USB cable the disabling iCloud backup altogether. And you can encrypt that backup too.
@@TheSteveSteele wow ok i didn’t even think of that
Apple is the easy choice over my android devices for security. There's a reason why the majority of malware is targeted at android.
When there is an issue that Google has fixed, it can take months for the manufacturer to do the tests and release their version and then for networks to roll out fixes. Apple can push things out quickly.
Google's business model is to make your data and usage available to third parties for advertising etc. Google is nor "open" meaning it's easier to get in, especially with the third party app stores and side loading that's possible on android mnot just affecting one device but potentially affecting contacts of that person.
Apple provides security updates for far longer. People hang onto their android devices beyond the few years that security updates are pushed out making them more vulnerable.
It's not a hard choice I'd security is a key consideration.
Disclaimer : I've used android ever since it was launched, using ios a few years later and using both ever since.
Hi Naomi! Personally, I do not have a Google account but I use my computer for work and for work, I do have a Google account and use Google Chrome.
Would it help to create a separate user on my Mac for work just to isolate Google into that user and have nothing to do with Google in my personal user account?
Thank you for the answer!
Or would it make no difference at all? 😐
I'm not sure if this is outdated but apple settings and a quick google says that icloud back ups ARE end-to-end encrypted, could you confirm? This is a pretty important point to update your video on if so
and thanks for making it!
Our video also says that, did you watch it? Not everything is e2ee, we explain what is and isn't in the video
I see you did cover this topic at the end of the video, but the beginning is a bit misleading if someone were to click on your vid nowadays, apologies for not watching the full video haha
9:13 That guy is definitely naked from the waste down.
A late night upload from the Queen? She is giving us an early Christmas gift. How’s about a live, Queen?
Coming start of the year :)
I think it's a big step forward if the iCloud backups are totally encrypted. There is so much important personal and financial data on our computers, that backups of a full computer really needs to be encrypted in a way that the service itself cannot access the data. No matter how much a person might trust the intentions of the service provider, all it takes is that provider being blind-sided by some security issue, with extremely serious consequences.
Has this channel looked into the tarsnap service?
No videos on that yet!
Whatever happened to Good Old external hard drives? You've already paid Apple for extra gigabytes of cloud storage the equivalent of 50x 2TB hard drives by now! HDD's don't bite I swear lol and you don't have to share your life with Apple or Google employees
@@opinion22 end to end means it's encrypted until it gets to the destination, The company's cloud servers in our case. A company as greedy as Apple wouldn't give you 15 GB of cloud storage for free, if there isn't something in it for them. End to end encryption is definitely a welcomed step in the right direction but I still wouldn't entrust a random company with my life story in JPG MP4 and PDF format.
@@2somer2 end to end also means they don't have the key. That is a problem, there isn't a general industry definition of e2ee. I agree use local storage for backups, but there are a lot of people that use a computer as a boot loader for a web browser and have no idea how to set that up.
@@brandonw1604 Brandon about 40 hours ago a massive solar eruption occurred on our son. We were lucky it wasn't on the side facing Earth otherwise, best scenario it would take internet down along with some power stations and whatever EMP is capable of destroying. Worst case scenario a cataclysmic event. If it all went to hell then who cares about your 60 GB worth of your PhD data being lost or inaccessible because it's stored on some remote server. If your region got out of it unscathed then why not have everything important stored locally in multiple copies. I definitely agree with you though most people don't have the energy or the expertise to do that. And we've been conditioned to accept sharing our life with random companies here and there.
I sure as hell don't trust under their current admin, but they're still miles ahead of goggle.
Perfect comment. Exactly. There’s no one even close
but my google phone can run grapheneos, i trust that hella more than any iphone
@@doooofus Why do you trust grapheneos? Just an honest question.
@@doooofus why do you trust your google phone is on which graphene os is running? You do know it has completely closed source co processor & OS running the most important cryptography & biometrics right?
Apple wants to grow their ad business and putting ads in more of their apps. Don't think Steve Jobs would have done otherwise, as Apple bought the mobile ad company Quattro Wireless in 2010. Apple has been the biggest liar about privacy.
Naomi doing Naomi things 😄👍
I dont trust ANY phone manufacturer further than I could throw a iPhone 4 (My last Apple product I owned)!
Get a USBC data blocker, a microphone jack, a camera cover and a Faraday bag for your iPhone. This will help with your iPhone privacy canteens. Also get Mint Mobile. And pay cash for your phone and this will help with your privacy.
Ausy Ausy Ausy lol love your work..
Another great video.
We just trust NBTV.
There is no cloud. "The cloud" is an euphemism for other people's computers. Several groups have been acquiring large scale backup systems from, e.g., Synology.
Elaborate please
@Farb S Thanks for the thorough explanation :)
@basicallyhuman Agreed with the "always consider your threat model" part, but cloud services are not that useless especially if you want to do 3-2-1 backup rule. You still have to store one copy at an off-site location just in case other original files have been corrupted or gone.
I have two possible solutions, either find a trustworthy cloud service provider where it's located in a country with strong privacy laws such as Germany and Switzerland, or rent a VPS and host your own cloud service. Again it's up for debate.
@@Rich-je9fy The cloud is a metaphor. Obviously there is not a physical cloud in the sky storing anything but water vapour and the odd molecule of this and that. The alternative is to store your data securely yourself. There are numerous systems for storage based around the now venerable concept of RAID or redundant array of inexpensive discs. These systems provide very high reliability. So you can make your own encrypted local backups at scale. You can also make off site backups using similar systems.
With regard to banks, they are extremely inefficient and unreliable, often charging high fees for various services. Credit unions are owned, in part, by the account holders. So they tend to have lower costs and better customer service. Banks also suffer from an array of centralisation issues. Banks and credit unioms are not mobile. They are licensed and regulated. They will freeze, close, or levy your accounts if told to do so by govt agencies. Given what the Twitter fiIes have revealed about the fbi conducting unconstitutional censorship, it would be unwise to trust govt ever at all even slightly.
Wih regard to privacy, if you want to be secure, you'll need to understand encryption. There are levels and types of encryption that remain difficult to brute force hack even with improved computing power. The question is: what does it cost you if your data is not secure? From the answer to that question, derive a strategy for sets of your data.
Back in 1998 when digital currencies were young, several thousand of us used e-gold because it was redeemable for gold on a reliable basis. By 2006, over a million users were making over $50 billion in transactions annually on e-gold. It was destroyed in 2007, as was Liberty Dollar. Pam Fayed of e-bullion was murdered a little later. Pecunix had their gold bars stolen by their storage provider. So, when Satoshi Nakamoto wrote about the "e-gold problem" in the bitcoin white paper, it was the vulnerability of systems like e-gold to unwarranted power by what Dwight Eisenhower described as the military industrial complex. Bitcoin is a useful hedge against abuse of govt authority. So is encryption generally.
@@IndSovU Agreed, I have some questions:
1. There are at least four types of RAID setup including RAID 0, 1, 5, and 10, which one of these setup is recommended for average homelabbers?
2. What software should we use (must be open source so it's at least verified by trustworthy entities or security experts) especially encryption and how we do it on Linux? Hardware requirements?
3. What are types of encryption that remain difficult to brute force?
When they refuse to recall the M1 because of two unfixable cpu bugs. And force company developer accounts into SMS 2FA for their logins and refuse Yubikey for logins. Nope.
No. Next question...?
I love Apple products and happily use iPhones, iPads, and MacBooks. That said, I don't fully trust any corporation and take every reasonable precaution I can to protect my data and privacy (I don't use Google for a start). I'm sure it's not enough, but the balance of usability and security works for me.
WELL.......?
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Every time you go online you give up your privacy it doesn’t matter what company is you give up your privacy rights. So you must choose how you proceed online that’s on you so if you’re doing anything the Farias well you’re gonna have problems because they’re going to find out.
Isn't Google cloud automatically encrypted my initial research says it has been for some time
Opt in, but yes
Naomi speaks about Apple while wearing strawberry details!
No more than i trust the rest of the government.
But they did just add end to end encryption
Hmmm that’s what the video was about, did you watch it?
Excellent tutorial! If you are the subject of a target investigation, Linux,Apple or any other os , you are day-dreaming if you think you have privacy.
The thing is, if I was hosting my data on my own server LOCALLY AT HOME, they would have to GO DIRECTLY THROUGH AND TO ME to get access to it, rather than my data being sent inside a targeted group. So no, you are wrong that I can't have privacy, as long as I am hosting all of my days myself.
I now use two cans and a piece of string, I still got hacked, the string had a loophole in it.
I was using iCalendar which was shared with my other tech, then sold my ipad now I don't have any access to my iCalendar! All because I don't have a Apple product!
I suggest an encrypted calendar like proton
I'm going to say no because when I got my first IPad I got hella salty when they had the AUDACITY to charge me $5 to renew my ITunes account even though I already entered my email address and password correctly.
Hey Naomi. Is there a list of sites that you could block at the router level? Let's talk Windows, Google, Apple and Samsung?
Yeah, we’re talking about dns block lists in a video early next year
Apple doesn't allow side loading, which is a deal breaker.
Any headline ending with a question mark can be answered with the word “No”
But Naomi, what about what Apple did to the protesters in China? I love Apple and use their products. But limiting Airdrop usage at the behest of a government is not a good look.
@R4M845 I don't think it is the same. limiting Airdrop is not a privacy concern. Not sure what they will do with iCloud encryption in China when the time comes , but every company knows that in order to get in there you have to follow specific laws otherwise you don't get to the market. Another example is that FindMy is not available in S.Korea.
So the question comes to what happens when the US or EU member governments say that they don't want encryption. For US this might fly, but for EU who play the protector of privacy and care for their citizens they would not be able to pull this off. It would be directly opposite with what EU says it tries to achieve, privacy for its citizens.
I think people should be more concerned on what type of security do their country's public services have that nowadays have beed made available over the internet. How secure are the data that your government is storing are. I don't see anyone care about that.
It wasn’t a law as I understand it. It was a government request to crack down on chats between protesters. They are apparently being asked to bring it in to 🇬🇧 which is going down the same road.
They submit to that req but not the FBI. Why? Bigger market? As Naomi said. Not perfect privacy but better than most. But where do you draw the line?
@@John7No There are claims that the iCloud in China has already been backdoored and is under Chinese surveillance. Just search for the New York Times article: Censorship, Surveillance and Profits: A Hard Bargain for Apple in China
@Farb S It's just how they $$$. Your security will always lose out to making money.
For the video sake, sounds legit. I will mention one thing that I really dislike about Apple about their privacy. They mention that they do all this great stuff about privacy but for a good amount of time now users of Apple Safari browser don't have the option to block third party cookies. Chrome, Firefox, and Microsoft edge has this as a standard. Safari ORIGINALLY had this feature but was removed from Safari settings>Privacy. So currently users can only block all cookies or accept all Cookes (no option to block only third party cookies).As of this time the options are to accept everyone's cookies including uncle jerry, or not accept cookies and not be able to sign into websites and stay signed in. Regardless of tracker blocking with safari or even adding Ghostery, the third party cookies that Apple apparently doesn't care about track a lot of information about your browsing. Otherwise it seems they do seem to care about privacy and security but I feel like this is the loop hole they are using to make more money. (the web advertising privacy preserving checkmark option must be broken or is just another facade) Again not saying safari is not a bad web browser, but it baffles me that third party cookie blocking ability has been removed from the browser for the last few versions of safari/macOS. (I've never needed double-click(dot)net cookies or need to know my local food store that I've never visited or searched about is having a sale on food and drink, and I or end users shouldn't have to accept them because Apple "is about privacy.")
Blocking 3rd party cookies I believe was added by default on safari
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But we are private from apple
Wasn't the CSAM scanning on iCloud only? I'm not saying that makes the ethicality of it any different, but it's just not entirely accurate to say they were planning on scanning everyone's phone, right?
Yes, it was "just" the iCloud pictures.
They wanted an ondevice joined with iCloud to scan. Not good. They could of done what Google and Microsoft do and just do server side scanning.
@@DrumToTheBassWoop Do you have a source? I can't find anything about that happening
@@justneky I don't sorry, just type CSAM and read some of the top articles regarding its Privacy issue, double check the sources but should come to the general conclusion.
I think the issue is that Apple encourages users to have all their photos saved to iCloud, and this could even be considered a feature: _"What if you have a day of taking great photos, and then drop your iPhone while you're on a roller-coaster ride? All those memories are lost forever!"_ When I take a photo on my iPhone it appears in my iPad soon after that. The photos bounce through iCloud to do that.
So while the proposal for scanning may have been "iCloud only", for many people that would mean all the photos that they've ever taken. (I don't know if the proposal *was* iCloud-only, I'm just saying even that would cover an awful lot of photos).
"so you'll never see that photo, craig?"
- "we do not wanna see your photo"
notice how this was not an answer to the question?
I did notice that. I still think they're the best mainstream option, but due to reasons like that, there are definitely more trustworthy and private options out there if you don't mind added inconvenience!
@@NaomiBrockwellTV thats true, and you did a great job with that video.
i read a few days, that even thouth apple is encrypting e2e, they are still using non-e2ee on the meta data. stuff like, when were notes created, and are those hand written or typed, when were photos taken etc. so this still is not the kind of "perfect encryption" but still a huge leap forward.
Precisely correct way of putting it, Apple is the big company option for balance between convenience and privacy. But there are substantially better privacy options than Apple.
literally every video tells people not to use Google, but ok.
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Apologies Naomi, I'm new to the channel and my post was obviously based on an insufficient sample of your videos. I stand corrected, again my apologies, I've edited my original post and appreciate your response.
@@timincal2002 I look forward to you watching more :)
You want privacy? Switch to linux. If it isn't open source, you can't guarantee privacy.
I'm grateful for law enforcement, it's what keeps order in many countries. My only concern is not having my say and things being assumed and future governments if things go downhill ..knowing everything.
For functionality Apple is a good for normal users. You don't really have to find work arounds for day to day life, especially in the enterprise environment.
How much more privacy could you possibly ask for? If this latest step isn’t enough… something’s going on
as much privacy as I want :)
Please do a video on Linux-based phones that aren't part of AOSP 🙏
What a waste of time that would be. Ridiculous request.
@@coolinmac
Everybody: let's build a computer!
Colin K: What a waste of time that would be. Ridiculous request.
@@savagepro9060 Judging by that account username, I bet he's a troll.
Are far from ready, I don't even think it has secure lockable boot and verification.
@@UnixOath You have no idea how much I love your username and banner.
Don't trust. VERIFY!
Naomi: Should you trust Apple?
ChatGPT: I can answer that question different every time. That's one of my 'threats', for a better word!
Craig's answer "We do not want to see your photo" doesn't sit well with me for some reason. He didn't exactly say we CAN'T see your photo
I trust apple more than I trust google and Microsoft combined together
Both Google and Apple can be trusted. They have child like fun insignias like an apple or big cartoon letters like Google. They are cute. How could they not be on your side?
Apple still doesn't include the meta data of many things, like the location and date of your photos, videos and many more. So, what the Apple guy said is wrong: if someone gets access to your cloud many sensitive data from all of us can be read easily.
How hot is NB
I don't trust them, I just trust them more than the other guys... which isn't a great situation, really.
It would be interesting to have a Snowden scale for security. 1 to 10.. Then rate Apple on it and rate the best option on the market. It would be interesting to see if anything was a 10.
Notice Apple didn't say they didn't give Gov a backdoor. They don't have to build one per se, just let Gov have a copy of the keys. If I told you other companies (CAs) have given in and surrendered their keys, I'd probably get a visit. so I won't tell you
Yeah, it's like the portals used to censor on-line
They wouldn‘t be allowed to tell.
no
Since then I am sceptical of Apple, they have to win my trust back now.
The child-pics are only a test case for developing more sophisticated surveillance, just as self driving cars are a test case for killing robots.
Yeah, it's the sort of example they use to get the door open...
I don't trust any "end-to-end" encryption service that's not open-source
I don’t trust anyone
4 years the scanning your pictures and you contacts and that engine is for Microsoft