One thing to add here: the fight scenes in 300 were choreographed by the 87Eleven stunt team of Chad Stahelski/ David Leitch, the creators of the John Wick franchise, they also made Atomic Blonde ( Leitch is the director) and choreographed the fight scenes in Watchmen. For some reason Snyder did not bring them back for Rebel Moon & Army of the Dead and it shows. The fight scenes on both these movies are really bad.
They were still on Superman? I liked the kryptonians fighting and some action scenes of Justice League. But after that, as you said, the fight scenes on Rebel Moon and AotD are terrible.
You definitely pinpointed Snyder's weakness. It makes me wonder if he relied on others more in the past and now thinks he can make movies based on his vision alone. Obviously he can't
That's exactly the case. from second unit directors to stunt coordinators to director of photography, he was carried his entire career. the few things a director should be good at he has never been and has seemingly gotten worse at.
Or maybe he's crawled up his own ass over the years. So caught up in his own ego he doesn't realise the crap he's churned out. Bought into his own hype. You're more than likely right but thought it was worth mentioning this possibility
@@_M.... I know little about movie production, but i would simply change your comment, I wouldn't say he was "carried" by these people, but rather he used to have a healthy relationship with his team and knowing to rely on experts on doing what they are better than him at doing, and now he has moved into trying to do everything himself.
I love that Snyder is bold enough to explore 'new' ideas like Army of the Dead, Rebel Moon and so on... But his ego and thinking he is an amazing writer and storyteller is just... Snyder, Michael Bay, Christopher Nolan, James Cameron are amazing visionaries and can bring some amazing ideas to the screen and even pioneer certain filmmaking tactics in the process but most of them can't write a coherent, consistent, engaging character/story to connect that visual masterpiece they bring to the screen entirely on their own. They need a competent writer or well written source material to adapt.
Rebel Moon was the moment where I saw ZS as a better JJ Abrams. At least he made his own IP. Sure it’s not that good, but he didn’t screw up a beloved franchise in his ambition. Meanwhile JJ is postulating making another Trek film that is a prequel… Ala… before the Kelvin timeline branch off. If he does I’m going to have a field day explaining why JJ and Secret Hideout Trek are alt continuity… but in fairness I’ll wait till after the film is made, or more likely, not made.
@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 no se divierte haciendo lo que hace. Podemos señalar lo muy malas que son las películas de Transformers, pero se nota que el tipo le encantó hacerlo
@@JIMT412 malas para ti lloron Xd pero en si transfomers literalmente moldio a todo una generacion de niños que hasta el dia e hoy de adultos seguimos viendo sus 3 primeras transfomers
Well, the iconic moments 'he created' were just recreations of someone else's artwork. The 300. The Watchmen. He did a good job on those, because he didn't really contribute anything. He just made what was on the page. But I guess, that's what we're seeing, right? He sees something cool someone else made, and adds it to his story. The slow motion was nice, because it highlighted how the real life elements of the scene looked exactly like the scene in the comics. But it doesn't work as well, if there aren't any comics to call back to.
Yeah even for me is hard to say that watchmen is his best mature work when most of it come from the comics and Alan moores writting. The only thing contribution i like from him is the opening credits showing each member from minutemen/watchmen their story that wasn't in the comic but it was a welcome adition.
He is amazing at adaptations but not with original content. I think his Superman was amazing. But even you disagree, one thing for sure the casting in his movies are always on point.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that 300's sucesses were the work of someone else, some uncredited person that essentially made Zack's career. We can see plain as day with Sucker Punch and his two Netflix movies that he was clearly carried his whole career by second unit directors, stunt teams, cinematographers and adapting stories that were already written and have built in fan bases.
I mean 300 was ripping visuals directly from the comic book it's based on as closely as possible, it's why it has the look it has because it's trying to copy the art style and while impressive that it was pulled off the credit totally goes to the rest of the crew. In the end it is mostly the comic creators' vision and not Zack's, he did do a good job adapting but idk how much credit he can really claim as his own
It's sad because Sofia Boutella is kind of a badass in Kingsmen. It helps that she has swords for legs but I also feel they just used her well in fight scenes.
one of my favourite EFAP guests and now I'm binging your content. Great work, love the scene comparisons. great to see you compare how something is done good, before explaining how one is done poorly.
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What really bothers me about Rebel Moon is that it's not a very good looking movie. I wasn't expecting a good story or anything, but I was hoping for good visuals. It's a ugly looking blurry film with bad cinematography.
Let's not forget that Zack Snyder might release a snyder version or director cut of the first part that is longer, which might become a Zack Snyder thing, to release a small version first and then a longer version.
He has no excuse this time, its just a bad movie, he had complete control in its direction and delivery.. this is not a Warner Bros management issue. No amount of extra scenes fix slo mo bs or bad scenes that already exist. Dune 2 did it without half this rubbish and achieved sci fi, story and action gold. Slo mo was good for the matrix then it got tired.
I didn't know Snyder did both. That explains the scene where the dude jumps and destroys the spaceship with a stick (it reminded me of the epic jump attack from 300 - now I know why).
Snyder is not a storyteller. He should only direct 1 action scene in slow motion and then get the f%ck off the studio and let an actual director, like Nolan, do all the rest.
If kara was somehow genetically engineered or enhanced in some way, that fight scene might work. Maybe she's from a planet with a greater gravity than normal, which is why she's small but really strong for her size, that could make sense. But she's just really well trained. Only she doesn't act like she's well trained. Someone who is well trained knows their own weaknesses and physical limitations and plays to their own strengths. She could seduce them to get close and get a gun to even the odds. Maybe bring them something to drink and drug them, then kill/incapacitate them once they're no longer a threat. She could even go get some help from the locals, so it's not such a one-sided fight. What she shouldn't have done is close the distance with the soldiers with only an axe. That's a sure ticket to wind up dead or tied up alongside the first girl to "entertain" the soldiers after they kick they crap out of her. That bar fight scene was just dumb.
Honestly I don't really care about that stuff. It's sci fi space stuff, just assume she's an alien that's very strong and agile. Because this is very far from the biggest problem with the movie.
@@snmcfadden i cant stand the "normal looking human but actually an alien/god/robot with infinite strength" trope in every modern movie... make whatever it is actually look as strong as it claims to be
@@Rootiga I was thinking, the Empire has technology to bring the dead back to life...since Cora was a royal bodyguard, so I'd assume as elite a soldier as could be, why not show that every time they level up in rank the soldiers receive special treatments or genetic interventions that make them all but invulnerable to "normal" people? We could have a scene of her getting hers, and it might have been a nice couple of minutes to fill in her relationship with her adoptive father which was totally flat. The mooks in the beginning are obvs lower-ranked, so she'd have no issue beating them, and they'd be stunned to see an elite hiding in a backwater, so they could be disorganized and out of it enough to justify not taking advantage of her openings.
300 and watchmen were comics. 300 he followed the comic faithfully. Watchmen was close. He was only the director on those. He did everything with full freedom on army of the dead and this horrible movie. Couldn’t be more diff. And his Dc sucked almost completely
That scene with the woman with the swords reminds me of Raiders of the Lost Ark, but in that movie it's used to great comedic effect by having Indy just pull out his gun and shoot the guy. The same scene used in Rebel Moon serves no purpose other than the aesthetic itself and has no further thought gone into it other than it looks cool on camera. In Raiders, it demonstrates how Indy isn't intimidated because he has the smarts to know he has the superior weapon. Synder has looked at that scene and thought it's cool, but learned no lessons as to why it exists.
300 is definitely an amazing film. Dawn of the Dead, too. And yes, Army of the Dead was most definitely not. But I'm still Team Snyder. Take ZSJL, for example. Was it overlong? Yes. Probably by about 30 minutes or so, I'd say. But it's a 4-hour movie, so having it be 30 minutes too long didn't really offend me. That means there's about 3 and a half hours of pretty solid entertainment in there. Or how about BvS? A mess. However, the Director's Cut was significantly improved. Much more coherent. And the themes in it genuinely interesting. I make no claims that Snyder is infallible, but whenever his full vision gets the light of day, it always an improvement (usually a significant improvement) over what we got in theaters. Rebel Moon was not great (albeit still better than any Star Wars film since Rogue One), but I'm quite interested to see the Director's Cut, which promises to be nearly an hour longer and R-Rated. The movie had massive pacing problems and the action felt clipped, but both of these problems could be resolved with more runtime... and historically Snyder has done so multiple times. Snyder's isn't a great writer, though a director I'm still quite the fan. He just needs strong writers to help him share his visions with the world and for studios to get out of the way. I really think his biggest problem isn't that he's a hack, it's that his eyes are bigger than studios' stomachs.
6:08 it's so hilarious, to see the table absolutely riddled with holes... like, this is the table she was using as cover and a moment ago it was laser proof...
I think part of the problem is that after the tragedy that Snyder experienced, he lost some of his drive for making media. He was probably dragged back to work on the Snyder cut, and after that was big, they started trying to push him further. Either that or he just isn't actually a good filmmaker
Nah, tragedy has nothing to do with it, he is nihilist, he doesn’t care about his loss. He simply doesn’t have talent, he has a career thanks to his wife who connected him with real talented people. It seems after tragedy struck he and his wife strained their relationship and without her help, it shows what kind of untalented hack he is.
@@milovarquiel Ok step back for a few seconds, I don't like most of his stuff but talking about how a dude doesn't care about the suicide of his kid is fucking fucked up. Get some help.
@@milovarquiel"Tragedy has nothing to do with it" is such a poor take through and through. You're underestimating how that sort of thing can significantly affect people.
For me, Zack Snyder annoys me because he was given the creative and financial freedom to make something original and Rebel Moon is what he came up with; an ugly, derivative piece of garbage. And let me be clear; I do NOT care if your story is original. I'd take a well-polished wheel over or something that tries to be a wheel mechanically but fails. It's all about execution with the story and characters. Rebel Moon has none of it. The concepts Zack has presented in the movie I have seen better in other films and shows. Seven Samurai, Battle Beyond the Stars, and Guardians Vol 1 all do the whole band of warriors uniting to stop a bad guy. The world building is utter nonsense with factions making no sense to sheer plot holes in how they function. And let's not forget the main character. I am so sick and tired of girl bosses just being able to power through folks larger than their size without any effort or strategy. A point of comparison, Blue Eye Samurai, Mizu had to work incredibly hard to become as skilled as she did with a sword. And even so, it isn't easy. She gets cut up, she overestimates herself, makes bad decisions etc. You get the sense she's capable but not invincible. But hey; apparently I'm a mysognist or something for pointing that out. All in all, what a waste of a concept and really Zack Snyder really should just go away. Because I know plenty of indie directors with more talent then him.
More often than not, quick action scenes are more impactful than slow mo ones. If someone on screen suddenly has their neck broken, it will cause the audience member to have a more visceral reaction. It is more visually exciting. Whereas with slow mo, you see it coming and are most often left with no visceral reaction at all. Instead you just want it to hurry up and be over with. John Woo is another director 'guilty' of this but to a lesser degree, with action scenes (a car crash for example) being repeated multiple times and in slow mo.
No, 300 is remembered for its dialogue, not its action. This is Sparta! Our arrows will blot out the sun. Then we will fight in the shade. Eat hearty men, for tonight we dine in hell.
I am 0% surprised. Films like Watchmen and 300 and Legend of the Guardians were based on books. Well written books. When Snyder is left to his own devices to come up with his own story, you get crap like Suckerpunch.
Didn't watch Rebel Moon, but I saw this particular fight scene & was like: why aren't they shooting the hostages? In any scenario where you have a hostage & you have a weapon to that hostage & someone starts fighting your guys to free said hostage, you threaten the bloody hostage! If they keep fighting to free the hostage, you bloody kill the hostage! Such a shite unrealistic film.
Snyder does great when he has people to reign him in, but he's on his own, he's an awful director. He comes up with "masterpieces" like Sucker Punch, Army of The Dead and more recently this film.
Please stop saying 'he knows action, look at 300" cuz that was freakin' Larry Fong as DOP. ZS isn't good at action, he just worked with some legends and gobbled up the acclaim for himself.
He is amazing, at placing the artistic vision of others on the big screen and implimenting that vision exactly at they intended.....he is a terrible creator. His stories lack logic or consistency. His plot devices are absurdly convenient and his filming style is eratic and dependent on over stimulation. I liken him to a wedding coordinator. If you tell him what catering service you want, the venue, the band, floral arrangements et al, he can deliver exactly what you ask for. But if you toss him control and say, "Just give us a great wedding," you will end up exchanging vows on the rim of an active volcano, while sipping African wine from a pair of 17th century Finnish snow boots.
What Snyder is doing now reminds me of when Eddie Van Halen started doing everything on Van Halen III. Artists have specialties and they should lean into them and let others carry other parts. His best movies are with solid setup with other writers like Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen and his Justice League. Now he’s the DP, Director, AND screenwriter. He needs to take great writing and visualize it, that’s what he’s arguably best at.
I thought I was the only one who didn't like Rebel Moon despite liking some of Zack Snyders movies. The action in Rebel Moon was really boring compared to the high adrenaline tense action of example: Man of Steel
That scene from 300 when the Spartans are getting pushed back, they hold, then throw their shields up...that definitely was a goosebumps moment. Awsome.
Except that 300's action scenes are as stylistic as Rebel Moon's, especially since it's an adaptation of a comic book. Is the point that it's more "real" when these stunts are performed by beefcake men instead of a female dancer? If so, you probably owe Thomas Flight royalties.
Execpt he said they were stylised, one of his main points is they are stylised in effective ways. The point about her being a small dancer is a separate point.
its funny how many movies i find out exist because they're being trashed talked on youtube. i have never heard of rebel moon until now. and until 2 days ago i never heard of madame web. are there any good movies being made at all anymore?
I loved snyders trilogy in the dcu . . . . Despite the flaws. Definitely a guy that needs a team around him that can highlight his strengths and minimise the excesses
I very regularly come back to that duel scene, in fact I had rewatched it about 5 days ago before this video. As for the overuse of slow motion, I suspect most of Snyders movies would be 40 minutes long if you remove it.
They tried to recreate the 300 feeling but failed miserably... Just completed part 1...what a waste of potential... They had nothing to hold on like Disney does on star Wars but they did under Netflix... Makes no sense... Could've been more wider ad brutal... Or mature
don't forget about sucker punch! after seeing that movie, i don't really know much about it or why i should have cared about anything in it, but i do know at the end i was too drunk to leave the theater or drive home.
You can tell from every little details that this film is a massive Seven Samurai wannabe. However, unlike Clint Eastwood, Snyder didn’t bothered at all to change up some pieces to construct a cohesive universe. A universal empire relies on coals to provide energy, and for some reason have to travel all the way to harvest food from a mid evil period village. The only explanation is, because that’s what happened in Seven Samurai (bandit instead of empire)
The Creator was 100 times better than Rebel Moon, yet almost nobody talks about The Creator, the only reason I watched Rebel Moon was for Charlie Hunnam (killed off later and turned into a villian) and Sofia Boutella (super sexy in Atomic Blonde) and as an Afrikaans speaking South African I really felt the cringe of the opening soldiers Afrikaans slang 😅
Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen worked because the original stories were already made by competent storytellers (George A Romero, Frank Miller and Alan Moore)
Can we all please acknowledge that Zack Snyder is a bad filmmaker? Hollywood? Stop giving him money to make his crappy vanity projects. If you make a bad four hour movie, how can you make a good two hour or ninety minute one? He clearly can't connect all his ideas and plot points to create a compelling narrative in a movie format. Enough.
An entire video that reiterates what 20 other UA-camrs have said. I can’t help but wonder when so many of you guys began to believe your opinions should hold so much weight. Maybe all the UA-camrs should get together and attempt to make a movie of this caliber. Instead of hating on it and starting a bandwagon of brainless yes men who don’t know how to think for themselves, how about you say eh it’s not for me and leave it at that. Believe it or not, some of us actually like rebel moon and all of the haters are going to ruin it for us. I don’t like star wars, fortnite, the new Vikings on Netflix.. but im not here making videos hating on the directors and belittling the people who do enjoy those things and attempting to get them shutdown with slander. But hey just my opinion.
It sucked because he didn’t tell a good story. Was it Star Wars? Kinda. Seven Samurai? Kinda. Magnificent Seven? Kinda. And why didn’t that guy wear a damn shirt the whole movie? Get a decent story.
100% you're right. Just unbelievable fight scenes. And the story was bs. I had some hopes for this but I watched half of part one and couldn't watch any more.
I've recently watched this one and yeah, the slow motion is the most annoying thing I've found in the movie, it's so pointless. Also, she assembled her team too easily, it was rushed, you don't have the time or the reason to sympathize with them individually. The main antagonist was pretty badass though.
To be fair, did anyone really care about Rebel Moon? Like, it looked basic as hell from the trailer thumbnail alone, and I certainly didn't give a shit about it. Did anyone else care?
Its not that bad, You guys are make it up & talk shit like it was a bad movies, its ok, not bad for 1 times watch, why so many of critics hate zack snyder so much i don't get it
If he was a cinematographer, I think he'd have a great career. As bad as they are in the writing, a lot of them tend to look good. And he'd be reined in by the director, so he'd be less likely to be able to overdo much
One thing to add here: the fight scenes in 300 were choreographed by the 87Eleven stunt team of Chad Stahelski/ David Leitch, the creators of the John Wick franchise, they also made Atomic Blonde ( Leitch is the director) and choreographed the fight scenes in Watchmen.
For some reason Snyder did not bring them back for Rebel Moon & Army of the Dead and it shows.
The fight scenes on both these movies are really bad.
This seems like a really important detail that adds much more context and objectivity to the points being made.
Actually, the reason the choreo looks so wonky is because it was sloppily edited to fit the PG-13 standards. The R-Rated Cut will look much better.
@@julianseguin2748 Suuuuure....
They were still on Superman? I liked the kryptonians fighting and some action scenes of Justice League. But after that, as you said, the fight scenes on Rebel Moon and AotD are terrible.
Atomic blonde is so good for the fight scene!! Would dare to call em better than john wick as well
YEEEESSS!!! Scene comparisons are BAAAAACKKKK!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Alright that interview at the end clearly shows Zack Snyder had no idea what he was doing.
This doesn't feel like a breakdown, more like a bandwagoning
The acting wasn’t that great too.
You definitely pinpointed Snyder's weakness. It makes me wonder if he relied on others more in the past and now thinks he can make movies based on his vision alone. Obviously he can't
That's exactly the case. from second unit directors to stunt coordinators to director of photography, he was carried his entire career. the few things a director should be good at he has never been and has seemingly gotten worse at.
Or maybe he's crawled up his own ass over the years. So caught up in his own ego he doesn't realise the crap he's churned out. Bought into his own hype. You're more than likely right but thought it was worth mentioning this possibility
@@_M.... I know little about movie production, but i would simply change your comment, I wouldn't say he was "carried" by these people, but rather he used to have a healthy relationship with his team and knowing to rely on experts on doing what they are better than him at doing, and now he has moved into trying to do everything himself.
I love that Snyder is bold enough to explore 'new' ideas like Army of the Dead, Rebel Moon and so on... But his ego and thinking he is an amazing writer and storyteller is just...
Snyder, Michael Bay, Christopher Nolan, James Cameron are amazing visionaries and can bring some amazing ideas to the screen and even pioneer certain filmmaking tactics in the process but most of them can't write a coherent, consistent, engaging character/story to connect that visual masterpiece they bring to the screen entirely on their own. They need a competent writer or well written source material to adapt.
Rebel Moon was the moment where I saw ZS as a better JJ Abrams. At least he made his own IP. Sure it’s not that good, but he didn’t screw up a beloved franchise in his ambition.
Meanwhile JJ is postulating making another Trek film that is a prequel… Ala… before the Kelvin timeline branch off.
If he does I’m going to have a field day explaining why JJ and Secret Hideout Trek are alt continuity… but in fairness I’ll wait till after the film is made, or more likely, not made.
Zack Snyder is basically the Michael Bay without the self awareness or care to even try anymore.
Es Michael bay si no le gustará linkin park o los discursos
@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 no se divierte haciendo lo que hace. Podemos señalar lo muy malas que son las películas de Transformers, pero se nota que el tipo le encantó hacerlo
With slowmo instead of explosions
bruh transformers 1,2,3 and bad boys are fkig good bruh
@@JIMT412 malas para ti lloron Xd pero en si transfomers literalmente moldio a todo una generacion de niños que hasta el dia e hoy de adultos seguimos viendo sus 3 primeras transfomers
"she embraces her plot armor" got me rolling lmfaoo
Well, the iconic moments 'he created' were just recreations of someone else's artwork. The 300. The Watchmen. He did a good job on those, because he didn't really contribute anything. He just made what was on the page.
But I guess, that's what we're seeing, right? He sees something cool someone else made, and adds it to his story. The slow motion was nice, because it highlighted how the real life elements of the scene looked exactly like the scene in the comics. But it doesn't work as well, if there aren't any comics to call back to.
My thoughts as well. He should hire an artist to physically storyboard his stories, might improve the film
Yeah even for me is hard to say that watchmen is his best mature work when most of it come from the comics and Alan moores writting.
The only thing contribution i like from him is the opening credits showing each member from minutemen/watchmen their story that wasn't in the comic but it was a welcome adition.
He is amazing at adaptations but not with original content. I think his Superman was amazing. But even you disagree, one thing for sure the casting in his movies are always on point.
Nah, he genuinly worked for those.
Nah, he should have someone WRITE the story for him. Story boarding is his strenght
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that 300's sucesses were the work of someone else, some uncredited person that essentially made Zack's career. We can see plain as day with Sucker Punch and his two Netflix movies that he was clearly carried his whole career by second unit directors, stunt teams, cinematographers and adapting stories that were already written and have built in fan bases.
I mean 300 was ripping visuals directly from the comic book it's based on as closely as possible, it's why it has the look it has because it's trying to copy the art style and while impressive that it was pulled off the credit totally goes to the rest of the crew. In the end it is mostly the comic creators' vision and not Zack's, he did do a good job adapting but idk how much credit he can really claim as his own
Watchmen and Man of Steel were awesome too
Zack Snyder is Michael Bay minus the self awareness.
Correction: minus the super duper explosion
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It's sad because Sofia Boutella is kind of a badass in Kingsmen. It helps that she has swords for legs but I also feel they just used her well in fight scenes.
Agreed. The lady has talent indeed
one of my favourite EFAP guests and now I'm binging your content. Great work, love the scene comparisons. great to see you compare how something is done good, before explaining how one is done poorly.
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@@masterofpuppets5568 thanks!
@@AnirudhTammireddy a podcast. HIGHLY recommend. #13 and #177 are some good ones!
@@bananess_ saved. thanks for the suggestions.
What really bothers me about Rebel Moon is that it's not a very good looking movie. I wasn't expecting a good story or anything, but I was hoping for good visuals. It's a ugly looking blurry film with bad cinematography.
Me when I lie and have bad eyesight
Let's not forget that Zack Snyder might release a snyder version or director cut of the first part that is longer, which might become a Zack Snyder thing, to release a small version first and then a longer version.
So stupid
Rebel Moon : Snyder Cut²
He has no excuse this time, its just a bad movie, he had complete control in its direction and delivery.. this is not a Warner Bros management issue.
No amount of extra scenes fix slo mo bs or bad scenes that already exist.
Dune 2 did it without half this rubbish and achieved sci fi, story and action gold.
Slo mo was good for the matrix then it got tired.
I didn't know Snyder did both. That explains the scene where the dude jumps and destroys the spaceship with a stick (it reminded me of the epic jump attack from 300 - now I know why).
Snyder is not a storyteller. He should only direct 1 action scene in slow motion and then get the f%ck off the studio and let an actual director, like Nolan, do all the rest.
If kara was somehow genetically engineered or enhanced in some way, that fight scene might work. Maybe she's from a planet with a greater gravity than normal, which is why she's small but really strong for her size, that could make sense.
But she's just really well trained.
Only she doesn't act like she's well trained. Someone who is well trained knows their own weaknesses and physical limitations and plays to their own strengths.
She could seduce them to get close and get a gun to even the odds. Maybe bring them something to drink and drug them, then kill/incapacitate them once they're no longer a threat. She could even go get some help from the locals, so it's not such a one-sided fight.
What she shouldn't have done is close the distance with the soldiers with only an axe. That's a sure ticket to wind up dead or tied up alongside the first girl to "entertain" the soldiers after they kick they crap out of her.
That bar fight scene was just dumb.
Honestly I don't really care about that stuff. It's sci fi space stuff, just assume she's an alien that's very strong and agile. Because this is very far from the biggest problem with the movie.
Or make her use a special kind of martial arts and show it through choreography
@@snmcfadden i cant stand the "normal looking human but actually an alien/god/robot with infinite strength" trope in every modern movie... make whatever it is actually look as strong as it claims to be
@@Rootiga Yeah, you tell him Rooty!
@@Rootiga I was thinking, the Empire has technology to bring the dead back to life...since Cora was a royal bodyguard, so I'd assume as elite a soldier as could be, why not show that every time they level up in rank the soldiers receive special treatments or genetic interventions that make them all but invulnerable to "normal" people? We could have a scene of her getting hers, and it might have been a nice couple of minutes to fill in her relationship with her adoptive father which was totally flat. The mooks in the beginning are obvs lower-ranked, so she'd have no issue beating them, and they'd be stunned to see an elite hiding in a backwater, so they could be disorganized and out of it enough to justify not taking advantage of her openings.
Sofia Boutella can do a fight scene. But instead doing a "Gazelle" fast and agile style, he used her as a Leonidas.
300 and watchmen were comics. 300 he followed the comic faithfully. Watchmen was close. He was only the director on those. He did everything with full freedom on army of the dead and this horrible movie. Couldn’t be more diff. And his Dc sucked almost completely
That scene with the woman with the swords reminds me of Raiders of the Lost Ark, but in that movie it's used to great comedic effect by having Indy just pull out his gun and shoot the guy. The same scene used in Rebel Moon serves no purpose other than the aesthetic itself and has no further thought gone into it other than it looks cool on camera. In Raiders, it demonstrates how Indy isn't intimidated because he has the smarts to know he has the superior weapon. Synder has looked at that scene and thought it's cool, but learned no lessons as to why it exists.
300 is definitely an amazing film. Dawn of the Dead, too. And yes, Army of the Dead was most definitely not. But I'm still Team Snyder.
Take ZSJL, for example. Was it overlong? Yes. Probably by about 30 minutes or so, I'd say. But it's a 4-hour movie, so having it be 30 minutes too long didn't really offend me. That means there's about 3 and a half hours of pretty solid entertainment in there. Or how about BvS? A mess. However, the Director's Cut was significantly improved. Much more coherent. And the themes in it genuinely interesting.
I make no claims that Snyder is infallible, but whenever his full vision gets the light of day, it always an improvement (usually a significant improvement) over what we got in theaters.
Rebel Moon was not great (albeit still better than any Star Wars film since Rogue One), but I'm quite interested to see the Director's Cut, which promises to be nearly an hour longer and R-Rated. The movie had massive pacing problems and the action felt clipped, but both of these problems could be resolved with more runtime... and historically Snyder has done so multiple times.
Snyder's isn't a great writer, though a director I'm still quite the fan. He just needs strong writers to help him share his visions with the world and for studios to get out of the way. I really think his biggest problem isn't that he's a hack, it's that his eyes are bigger than studios' stomachs.
The beginning of this comparison review had me in STITCHES!🤣
6:08 it's so hilarious, to see the table absolutely riddled with holes... like, this is the table she was using as cover and a moment ago it was laser proof...
I couldn't make it past the Cantina scene. There wasn't a single original thing in the part of the movie I did groan through. It was just terrible.
Synder's approach to film making is like Billy McFarland's approach to festival planning: disastrous
Nice! That reference was fyre, my dude.
Yep, This was a huge proof how talentless and clueless this guy is. He thought he is on the level of Chris Nolan lol
I think part of the problem is that after the tragedy that Snyder experienced, he lost some of his drive for making media. He was probably dragged back to work on the Snyder cut, and after that was big, they started trying to push him further. Either that or he just isn't actually a good filmmaker
It’s the latter dude, he’s just not a good film maker
Nah, tragedy has nothing to do with it, he is nihilist, he doesn’t care about his loss.
He simply doesn’t have talent, he has a career thanks to his wife who connected him with real talented people.
It seems after tragedy struck he and his wife strained their relationship and without her help, it shows what kind of untalented hack he is.
@@milovarquiel Ok step back for a few seconds, I don't like most of his stuff but talking about how a dude doesn't care about the suicide of his kid is fucking fucked up. Get some help.
@@milovarquielokay you need a doctor
@@milovarquiel"Tragedy has nothing to do with it" is such a poor take through and through. You're underestimating how that sort of thing can significantly affect people.
Was never a fan of this guy, even in his 300 days.
For me, Zack Snyder annoys me because he was given the creative and financial freedom to make something original and Rebel Moon is what he came up with; an ugly, derivative piece of garbage. And let me be clear; I do NOT care if your story is original. I'd take a well-polished wheel over or something that tries to be a wheel mechanically but fails. It's all about execution with the story and characters.
Rebel Moon has none of it. The concepts Zack has presented in the movie I have seen better in other films and shows. Seven Samurai, Battle Beyond the Stars, and Guardians Vol 1 all do the whole band of warriors uniting to stop a bad guy. The world building is utter nonsense with factions making no sense to sheer plot holes in how they function. And let's not forget the main character.
I am so sick and tired of girl bosses just being able to power through folks larger than their size without any effort or strategy. A point of comparison, Blue Eye Samurai, Mizu had to work incredibly hard to become as skilled as she did with a sword. And even so, it isn't easy. She gets cut up, she overestimates herself, makes bad decisions etc. You get the sense she's capable but not invincible.
But hey; apparently I'm a mysognist or something for pointing that out. All in all, what a waste of a concept and really Zack Snyder really should just go away. Because I know plenty of indie directors with more talent then him.
Really good breakdown. Thank you!
How does Netflix waste sooooooooo much money.
taxes
More often than not, quick action scenes are more impactful than slow mo ones.
If someone on screen suddenly has their neck broken, it will cause the audience member to have a more visceral reaction. It is more visually exciting.
Whereas with slow mo, you see it coming and are most often left with no visceral reaction at all. Instead you just want it to hurry up and be over with.
John Woo is another director 'guilty' of this but to a lesser degree, with action scenes (a car crash for example) being repeated multiple times and in slow mo.
No, 300 is remembered for its dialogue, not its action.
This is Sparta!
Our arrows will blot out the sun.
Then we will fight in the shade.
Eat hearty men, for tonight we dine in hell.
6:41 even stormtropers have better aim than him
and so many comics fans liking the snyders cut XD....its so bad.
I am 0% surprised.
Films like Watchmen and 300 and Legend of the Guardians were based on books. Well written books.
When Snyder is left to his own devices to come up with his own story, you get crap like Suckerpunch.
Didn't watch Rebel Moon, but I saw this particular fight scene & was like: why aren't they shooting the hostages? In any scenario where you have a hostage & you have a weapon to that hostage & someone starts fighting your guys to free said hostage, you threaten the bloody hostage! If they keep fighting to free the hostage, you bloody kill the hostage!
Such a shite unrealistic film.
You all say you don't like a bunch of trash pop culture put in a blender and made into slop, but I recall a show called Game of Thrones...
Snyder does great when he has people to reign him in, but he's on his own, he's an awful director. He comes up with "masterpieces" like Sucker Punch, Army of The Dead and more recently this film.
Please stop saying 'he knows action, look at 300" cuz that was freakin' Larry Fong as DOP. ZS isn't good at action, he just worked with some legends and gobbled up the acclaim for himself.
The plot and script were so incredibly thin and lazy, hate that I'll never get those two hours of my life back.
He is amazing, at placing the artistic vision of others on the big screen and implimenting that vision exactly at they intended.....he is a terrible creator. His stories lack logic or consistency. His plot devices are absurdly convenient and his filming style is eratic and dependent on over stimulation. I liken him to a wedding coordinator. If you tell him what catering service you want, the venue, the band, floral arrangements et al, he can deliver exactly what you ask for. But if you toss him control and say, "Just give us a great wedding," you will end up exchanging vows on the rim of an active volcano, while sipping African wine from a pair of 17th century Finnish snow boots.
Snyder is a victim of his own success. Like you said, he just uses slow motion wherever he thinks it will look cool.
What Snyder is doing now reminds me of when Eddie Van Halen started doing everything on Van Halen III. Artists have specialties and they should lean into them and let others carry other parts. His best movies are with solid setup with other writers like Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen and his Justice League. Now he’s the DP, Director, AND screenwriter. He needs to take great writing and visualize it, that’s what he’s arguably best at.
My guy, I am so glad you put up another video. Times are tough, but a little easier with Jedi Brooks material to ease us through.
I thought I was the only one who didn't like Rebel Moon despite liking some of Zack Snyders movies. The action in Rebel Moon was really boring compared to the high adrenaline tense action of example: Man of Steel
That scene from 300 when the Spartans are getting pushed back, they hold, then throw their shields up...that definitely was a goosebumps moment. Awsome.
Jack snyder lacks vision, his character has no personality. All of his character has same mood and tone.
Too much of CGI is already a flop. Forget about the dialogues.
Because he's not a writer! and should not be allowed to do anything besides direct what a competanat writer has created
Except that 300's action scenes are as stylistic as Rebel Moon's, especially since it's an adaptation of a comic book. Is the point that it's more "real" when these stunts are performed by beefcake men instead of a female dancer? If so, you probably owe Thomas Flight royalties.
Execpt he said they were stylised, one of his main points is they are stylised in effective ways.
The point about her being a small dancer is a separate point.
I'm fine with visual over storytelling, but Rebel Moon doesn't even have that. It looks like shit.
its funny how many movies i find out exist because they're being trashed talked on youtube. i have never heard of rebel moon until now. and until 2 days ago i never heard of madame web. are there any good movies being made at all anymore?
Dune 2
Jj ruined mystery, ugh, no. Ryan did
I loved snyders trilogy in the dcu . . . . Despite the flaws. Definitely a guy that needs a team around him that can highlight his strengths and minimise the excesses
Absolute trash
I rather watch Battle Beyond The Stars again than Rebel Moon.
The problem with Zach Snyder is his inability to compress his piece. Even though this could easily solved with reducing the slow mo sequences
I very regularly come back to that duel scene, in fact I had rewatched it about 5 days ago before this video.
As for the overuse of slow motion, I suspect most of Snyders movies would be 40 minutes long if you remove it.
Why are so many people in the comments defensive of Zack Snyder 😂😂
Fanboys
7:35 eardrums bleeding thx
Zack has three good movies. Superman,Watchmen and 300.
Make a Spider-Man comparison scene next and also do marcel's ECHO when you get the chance.
They tried to recreate the 300 feeling but failed miserably... Just completed part 1...what a waste of potential... They had nothing to hold on like Disney does on star Wars but they did under Netflix... Makes no sense... Could've been more wider ad brutal... Or mature
This film is so bad!!!!!
don't forget about sucker punch! after seeing that movie, i don't really know much about it or why i should have cared about anything in it, but i do know at the end i was too drunk to leave the theater or drive home.
I prefer his detail world building and stories and didn't waste my time ZSJL. We want his version of DC back. #RestoreTheSnyderverse
I just dont want to see ezra back again
@@alastairwallace6153 I don't mind seeing him in the films I can separate thr actor from the person.
You can tell from every little details that this film is a massive Seven Samurai wannabe. However, unlike Clint Eastwood, Snyder didn’t bothered at all to change up some pieces to construct a cohesive universe. A universal empire relies on coals to provide energy, and for some reason have to travel all the way to harvest food from a mid evil period village. The only explanation is, because that’s what happened in Seven Samurai (bandit instead of empire)
Filmento made a great video about it... He destroys Zach and he is a Zach fan
good video, except for the naruto references.
Naruto does slow mo better than snyder.
The Creator was 100 times better than Rebel Moon, yet almost nobody talks about The Creator, the only reason I watched Rebel Moon was for Charlie Hunnam (killed off later and turned into a villian) and Sofia Boutella (super sexy in Atomic Blonde) and as an Afrikaans speaking South African I really felt the cringe of the opening soldiers Afrikaans slang 😅
Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen worked because the original stories were already made by competent storytellers (George A Romero, Frank Miller and Alan Moore)
This movie felt like Warhammer 40k’s visuals and themes were completely misunderstood.
Can we all please acknowledge that Zack Snyder is a bad filmmaker? Hollywood? Stop giving him money to make his crappy vanity projects. If you make a bad four hour movie, how can you make a good two hour or ninety minute one? He clearly can't connect all his ideas and plot points to create a compelling narrative in a movie format. Enough.
I love Zack's other movies. It did have a lot of flaws (Batman killing people in BvS) but Rebel Moon is absolutely TRASH.
JJ ruined mystery
Rian ruined subversive
And Snyder ruined slow-mos
You can also say Bay ruined explosions.
Zack the Hack
An entire video that reiterates what 20 other UA-camrs have said. I can’t help but wonder when so many of you guys began to believe your opinions should hold so much weight. Maybe all the UA-camrs should get together and attempt to make a movie of this caliber. Instead of hating on it and starting a bandwagon of brainless yes men who don’t know how to think for themselves, how about you say eh it’s not for me and leave it at that. Believe it or not, some of us actually like rebel moon and all of the haters are going to ruin it for us. I don’t like star wars, fortnite, the new Vikings on Netflix.. but im not here making videos hating on the directors and belittling the people who do enjoy those things and attempting to get them shutdown with slander. But hey just my opinion.
It sucked because he didn’t tell a good story. Was it Star Wars? Kinda. Seven Samurai? Kinda. Magnificent Seven? Kinda. And why didn’t that guy wear a damn shirt the whole movie? Get a decent story.
100% you're right. Just unbelievable fight scenes. And the story was bs. I had some hopes for this but I watched half of part one and couldn't watch any more.
I've recently watched this one and yeah, the slow motion is the most annoying thing I've found in the movie, it's so pointless. Also, she assembled her team too easily, it was rushed, you don't have the time or the reason to sympathize with them individually.
The main antagonist was pretty badass though.
Knowing what Snyder COULD do and seing what he does is just... embarrassing
To be fair, did anyone really care about Rebel Moon? Like, it looked basic as hell from the trailer thumbnail alone, and I certainly didn't give a shit about it. Did anyone else care?
It is obvious the fight scenes were censored in the PG-13 cuts. The R-rated cuts will be much more bloodier and gorier for that reason
I’ll always be grateful for 300 and Watchmen…but I didn’t even bother with rebel moon
Buddy, I think you're overreacting.
Why is that?
@@jedibrooks7235 Because there are movies far worse than Rebel Moon, such as the Star Wars prequels and sequels.
Its not that bad, You guys are make it up & talk shit like it was a bad movies, its ok, not bad for 1 times watch, why so many of critics hate zack snyder so much i don't get it
If he was a cinematographer, I think he'd have a great career. As bad as they are in the writing, a lot of them tend to look good. And he'd be reined in by the director, so he'd be less likely to be able to overdo much
I can't really comment on this film because I got bored with it and turned it off halfway through. It was crushingly dumb and boring.
I stopped watching the movie halfway through as it was just a rip off of magnificent seven.
I was waiting for the slomo complaint 😂😂😂... Abuse is the right word
Snyder has been riding a reputation gained 10+ years ago directing something written by someone else. His own writing has proven to be pretty bad.
The last few seconds hurt haha
I got 47 minutes into Rebel Moon. Googled 300 rebel moon. Found this. Watched this and gave up on watching rebel moon 😂
LOL I love the *coke sniff* at the end, it's quite appropriate :P
I'm so glad he is gone in DC holy shit i can't take it anymore.
man i really had hopes for this, really hoped that we might have another pseudo fantasy sci fi franchise like dune, but no.
I made it about 45 min into the movie when I just couldn't take it anymore and turned it off.
I dont understand why moviemakers who everybody hates are allowed to create more and more movies.
I beg to differ, aquaman's upside down slow motion sequence was the most disgraceful scene ever to be produced, and it still stands undefeated
Amen. And, amen,...and amen.....