I'm bi and the fact that people insist Marvin's the same (and not gay) is massively erasing to the amount of gay men who had to force themselves to go through straight marriages because homosexuality was illegal or incredibly unacceptable at the time
I find this song very empowering. He has played a lie all his life and this is a key point of the story where he's decided to get what he wants, and screw the rules. That's why I love Marvin's character so much.
someone: in trousers proves that marvin is bi because he's clearly a horndog for ms. goldberg and- me: *crawls from the deep recesses of hell and plays this song as loudly as possible*
his whole relationship with miss goldberg was based off admiration and power that he had/wanted to have over her (e.g her giving into his demands to play Colombus), and him miscontruing those feelings as romantic/sexual interest. even when he "raped" her he wasn't interested in her at all, only her glasses.
@I may have a small dick, but and ms Goldberg was a mentor to Marvin not romantic interest set those sails was basically explaining the worlds gonna be hard on Marvin
@@yearstoolong it's not comphet tho, marvin straight up doesn't like ms.goldberg. he thinks he loves her cause she's his perfect sense of womanhood but literally he's just trying to convince himself he's not gay
@@damon3621 That is what comphet is. He has that understanding that hes supposed to be with a woman, ms goldberg is the perfect sense of womanhood to fill that role for him. Comphet can look like idolising the opposite sex because they fill that role for you.
I love the "I played a game" line because you can see the clear connection to the constant theme in Falsettos of love being a game, especially when we see how this thinking affects Whizzer in The Games I Play. William Finn truly is a genius.
For everyone who thinks Marvin is bi it's normal for gay people to force themselves to love girls especially back then it's called suppressing your sexuality.
I think the lyric about cutting her lip on the sofa doesn't have any deep symbolic meaning at all because immediately afterwards he says "that's it for girls." It's as if he's looking for any excuse to break up with her, and the slightest turn off of cutting her lip sends him over the edge. "The sofa was blue before" she bleeds on the couch and it grosses him out reminding him how much he doesn't like girls.
@@moneitott it was him trying to convince himself he wasn’t into the highschool girls because he was into OLDER woman but it was just him trying to convince himself
Ingrid Cozby oh yeah definitely, but there's actually falsettos fans who wholeheartedly believe marv is bi and will deadass harass people who call him gay because it's, in their words, "bi erasure" \':
Yeah ikr? Like I'm bi but erasing the fact that Marvin is strictly gay is unacceptable. I also don't understand why ppl want him to be?? Bc that erases a huge part of his story
I know “I played a game / she was as cute as a dime and couldn’t spell / I asked her to spell my name / That’s it for girls” is a reference to how Marvin would look for any reason not to be with a girl ("Oh, if she can't spell my name I'll leave her", fully knowing she can't spell, and so forth) but I choose to believe that he simply embarrassed himself SO badly one time that he decided to never speak to a woman again
yes. because bisexuals dont like girls. makes sense (sorry i dont wanna sound mean but being bi myself i know marvs gay, hes legit saying he doesnt like girls)
“For everyone saying marvin in bi, this song proves he’s not” YES BUT also him hypersexualizing mrs Goldberg is a very common thing for gay kids to do, to over sexualize a woman in hope they will actually be attracted to women.
[THE LADIES] Relax Relax Relax Relax Relax Relax Relax [HIS SWEETHEART, spoken] Relax, Marvin [MARVIN] Here's my chance To survive the night There's nothing special about it If I try to go to sleep, I might But the phone will ring I had a girl She cut her lip on the sofa by the door The sofa was blue before That's it for girls That's it for girls Here's my chance To survive To survive the night Here's a dance I might try to make I'm not so lucid about it But I'm sure of the path that the arms must take And the feet don't move I found a word It was a queer little thing with lots of regret I had a way with words, and yet I'm through with words That's it for words Here's my chance To survive To survive the night Here's my chance To survive To survive the night To survive the day To survive my life In the most very natural Most unremarkable way I played a game She was as cute as a dime and couldn't spell I asked her to spell my name That's it for girls That's it for girls That's it for girls That's it, that's it, that's it for girls That's it, that's it, that's it for girls Here is my chance To survive To survive the night Here's my chance To survive To survive the night Here's my chance To survive Survive Survive Survive To survive the night
@@swampmonstersquibby2563 compulsive heterosexual is the extended version of comphet. yknow... when a gay person. engages in compulsive heterosexual behaviour. because of societal standards and internalised homophobia.
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Okay I know Anthony Rosenthal is older than me and is part of the hecking sister musical/revival but it honestly disturbs me that he knows about this Like ???you're so pure??? Stop it???
Regality Why? I think it shows great maturity that he actually took the time to watch and listen to In Trousers. I would let my 14 year old watch it too. It’s really not all that inappropriate. ESPECIALLY not this song. This song is beautiful and is not even a little bit inappropriate.
not to sound hostile or anything, but you all do realize that he’s a teenager right? like most teenagers have seen things that are much worse, in this there’s not even anything bad?and no one is “pure,” especially at his age and i guarantee you that any 14 year old would know what whizzer going down means. i’m sorry if this sounds mean lmao, and that i’m responding to a year old comment
sam h bro preach lI hate it when people automatically assume that a person is completely innocent with no knowledge of literally anything or should be just because they’re a teenager
Do you reckon that the ‘Word’ is whizzer? OR alternatively is it Marvin’s own homosexuality? I question jf it’s whizzer because not only is the word not referred to as a girl or she/her pronouns but it is also referred to as a queer little thing
This might be an awful interpretation but I figured it was about him discovering the term ‘homosexuality’ (or something of that nature) and immediately identifying with the label, but at the same time feeling this overwhelming shame and regret because of it. So when he says “that’s it for words” it’s like he’s saying he doesn’t want to acknowledge it? Or maybe he means he’s still afraid to verbalize to his feelings (i.e. come out), even after finding a label that fits him? I may be missing something here but that’s what I came up with
My interpretation! Within the context of this song being about how he’s kind of resigned himself to girls but also being done with them at this point I think he is still with trinna or still presenting straight so TO ME when he says he found a word full of regret it reads as he now knows about his own queerness but doesn’t feel able to do anything about it. He’s full of regret because of his decisions to be with women like sweetheart and trinna.
Here's the thing, William Finn kinda contradict himself: He described Marvin in the in trousers book as bisexual, but he describes Marvin in the musicals as, well, a homosexual. (At least in Falsettos it's more present this theme) So, guys, stop saying that people that have either view of Marvin's character is wrong, because sexuality is a fluid thing. Maybe Marvin could've felt in his younger years that he was Bi, but then felt like he was more on the gay side. Or maybe he was always gay, maybe he's still bisexual. In trousers is a more poetic musical, so take it's word more softly, be open for different interpretations!
I read the in trousers book online somewhere, and I don’t remember him being referred to as bisexual there? I’m not trying to argue I’m just curious which part(s) refer to him as bi.
wdym in trousers book? like the script? i dont know of an in trousers book but i know 4 a fact william finn would never call marvin bisexual as he has described marvin as a gay man. plus he has never loved women. if you’re referring 2 the in trousers script then he has definitely not said marvin is bisexual as sexualities arent specifically named in the script (as it was the 80s)
Aly H i’m not assuming. even though you thought you were straight, you were never straight. you were always attracted to women whether you knew it or not. so the song has always belonged to you.
goddamn you’re missing the point. don’t block people from our community, welcome them to learn about it. through guarding media we only leave people out and accomplish NOTHING. every single person deserves to listen to the musical. it doesn’t belong to us. william finn wouldn’t want that. he didn’t write 25th annual just for little kids. everyone can get messages out of songs, everyone can learn about communities and struggles through a story. sure, straight people might not relate to what this song is about, but that is okay!
Uh, y'all talking about him saying 'that's it for girls'. He also said 'that's it for words', yet he's still talking ?? so, shut ya mouths and stop assuming his sexuality lmaooo
![In Trousers [1993, BC/EFA] - Full Concert Audio](/img/n.gif)
Y'know even without this song, Mendel outright calls Marvin a "homosexual father" in falsettoland so he ain't bi lol
I mean… another bit of damning evidence would be the entire song that details how women nauseate him…
@@introusasfacts
He isn't bi because he isn't able to be attracted to women. It's one of the most important parts of Falsettos.
I'm bi and the fact that people insist Marvin's the same (and not gay) is massively erasing to the amount of gay men who had to force themselves to go through straight marriages because homosexuality was illegal or incredibly unacceptable at the time
THIS !!!! THIS IS SPOT FUCKING ON!!!!!!!
Thyre probably all just dumb teenagers who don't know better
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preach -
EX- actly
I find this song very empowering. He has played a lie all his life and this is a key point of the story where he's decided to get what he wants, and screw the rules. That's why I love Marvin's character so much.
I adore your pfp
someone: in trousers proves that marvin is bi because he's clearly a horndog for ms. goldberg and-
me: *crawls from the deep recesses of hell and plays this song as loudly as possible*
his whole relationship with miss goldberg was based off admiration and power that he had/wanted to have over her (e.g her giving into his demands to play Colombus), and him miscontruing those feelings as romantic/sexual interest. even when he "raped" her he wasn't interested in her at all, only her glasses.
@I may have a small dick, but and ms Goldberg was a mentor to Marvin not romantic interest set those sails was basically explaining the worlds gonna be hard on Marvin
i swear people forget comphet exists
@@yearstoolong it's not comphet tho, marvin straight up doesn't like ms.goldberg. he thinks he loves her cause she's his perfect sense of womanhood but literally he's just trying to convince himself he's not gay
@@damon3621 That is what comphet is. He has that understanding that hes supposed to be with a woman, ms goldberg is the perfect sense of womanhood to fill that role for him. Comphet can look like idolising the opposite sex because they fill that role for you.
I love the "I played a game" line because you can see the clear connection to the constant theme in Falsettos of love being a game, especially when we see how this thinking affects Whizzer in The Games I Play. William Finn truly is a genius.
STOP THATS SO COOL
For everyone who thinks Marvin is bi it's normal for gay people to force themselves to love girls especially back then it's called suppressing your sexuality.
And it still happens even now. Comphet sucks
I think the lyric about cutting her lip on the sofa doesn't have any deep symbolic meaning at all because immediately afterwards he says "that's it for girls." It's as if he's looking for any excuse to break up with her, and the slightest turn off of cutting her lip sends him over the edge. "The sofa was blue before" she bleeds on the couch and it grosses him out reminding him how much he doesn't like girls.
AGREED AGREED AGREED HES FINDING EXUSES
YES THANK YOU
0:25 has the same instrumentals as “I wanna see the bald spot/hairline” 👏
I thought it sounded familiar!
Oms you're right
Omg how did I not notice that! That's so cool!
Wow, I can't believe music was invented when this song was written!
I see you in every fandom I stg
@@fixyrheart I’m just that cool
@@rancidprince3133 I guess so
@@rancidprince3133 hi i see you often too
I love how all of the comments in this video are people being mad at people for calling Marvin bi
2:29
I love chips voice I can’t copeeee
that’s my favorite part of the whole song !
I knoww ugh
me when it’s my first night in a new minecraft world and i don’t have any resources
people: “marvin’s bi”
me: slowly turns up the volume of this song
*marvin is gay, not bi*
bow wow :D hi Um I’m new to this musical so correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t he In love with mrs Goldberg
@@moneitott also in falsettos its revealed that marvin is indeed gay and was never in love with trina
@@moneitott Marvin was more in love with the idea of power and control that mrs Goldberg represented.
@@moneitott nope it was comphet
@@moneitott it was him trying to convince himself he wasn’t into the highschool girls because he was into OLDER woman but it was just him trying to convince himself
I know that the bad stuff happens in Falsettos but still *W H I Z Z E R* man!!!!!
Fuck, this is 100% my favorite song from in “in trousers” because Marvin’s voice plus smooth jazz AHHH
I WOULD DIE FOR CHIP ZIENS VOICE
I’m going to lose my mind I need Christian Borle to perform this in the style of the 2016 revival
God bless your account the world needs more In Trousers
@everyone saying marvin is bi:
listen to this song lmao
Also he's literally referred to as "homosexual" many times, also like literally the entirety of In trousers. like ???
Ingrid Cozby oh yeah definitely, but there's actually falsettos fans who wholeheartedly believe marv is bi and will deadass harass people who call him gay because it's, in their words, "bi erasure" \':
Yeah ikr? Like I'm bi but erasing the fact that Marvin is strictly gay is unacceptable. I also don't understand why ppl want him to be?? Bc that erases a huge part of his story
@@kaicorrigan4741 to be fair, I don’t think there used to be THAT much distinction when it was written
Girl: *ruins a perfectly good blue sofa*
Marvin: that’s it for girls reeEeeeee
now i love chip zien and his voice in this is incredible but,, how did he not clock marvin was gay at first lol
He’s going down.. to Florida 💀
@@sawyer3667 specifically orlando
@@mamaumbridge2272 lmaooo
my favorite song so far
this sounds unintentionally like a minecraft song parody
Thanks. I hate it (lol)
lol (nice pfp)
Or a Fnaf one
What if… I make it one 👀
@@Numbattery please do (?)
T h a t ’ s i t f o r g i r l s
Lol me with boys
"That's it for girls" well gosh diddly darn y'all that must mean the dude's bi who knew
"That's it for girls!" Yeah I see how people think that Marvin is bi
I know “I played a game / she was as cute as a dime and couldn’t spell / I asked her to spell my name / That’s it for girls” is a reference to how Marvin would look for any reason not to be with a girl ("Oh, if she can't spell my name I'll leave her", fully knowing she can't spell, and so forth) but I choose to believe that he simply embarrassed himself SO badly one time that he decided to never speak to a woman again
Girl: *cuts her lip on sofa* Gosh, I'm sorry Marv-
Marvin: Fuck this shit! I'm out, that's it for girls!
This song slaps tbh
"thats it for girls!" well gosh marvin must be bi
yes. because bisexuals dont like girls. makes sense
(sorry i dont wanna sound mean but being bi myself i know marvs gay, hes legit saying he doesnt like girls)
+Assenic Catnip19 that's their point.
Assenic Catnip19 that’s legit their point dude
when people can’t read sarcasm
bruh i dunno if this is sarcasm because i cant catch it but hes canonically gay
god i love this song so much
god this song 💕❣️💞💗💖💕💗❣️💗❣️❣️💗💕💗💞
“For everyone saying marvin in bi, this song proves he’s not” YES BUT also him hypersexualizing mrs Goldberg is a very common thing for gay kids to do, to over sexualize a woman in hope they will actually be attracted to women.
Live laugh love Chip Zien the vocals are immaculate like ✨2:54✨
[THE LADIES]
Relax
Relax
Relax
Relax
Relax
Relax
Relax
[HIS SWEETHEART, spoken]
Relax, Marvin
[MARVIN]
Here's my chance
To survive the night
There's nothing special about it
If I try to go to sleep, I might
But the phone will ring
I had a girl
She cut her lip on the sofa by the door
The sofa was blue before
That's it for girls
That's it for girls
Here's my chance
To survive
To survive the night
Here's a dance
I might try to make
I'm not so lucid about it
But I'm sure of the path that the arms must take
And the feet don't move
I found a word
It was a queer little thing with lots of regret
I had a way with words, and yet
I'm through with words
That's it for words
Here's my chance
To survive
To survive the night
Here's my chance
To survive
To survive the night
To survive the day
To survive my life
In the most very natural
Most unremarkable way
I played a game
She was as cute as a dime and couldn't spell
I asked her to spell my name
That's it for girls
That's it for girls
That's it for girls
That's it, that's it, that's it for girls
That's it, that's it, that's it for girls
Here is my chance
To survive
To survive the night
Here's my chance
To survive
To survive the night
Here's my chance
To survive
Survive
Survive
Survive
To survive the night
Everyone’s arguing whether he’s gay or bi and I’m just trying to enjoy the song 😭
Marvin is the world's biggest compulsive heterosexual oh my goodness you poor gay baby
pls tell me ur joking
😟
@@swampmonstersquibby2563 compulsive heterosexual is the extended version of comphet. yknow... when a gay person. engages in compulsive heterosexual behaviour. because of societal standards and internalised homophobia.
@@dumbasssupreme4022 I think they meant the “poor gay baby” thing
@@dumbasssupreme4022I think the original replier was more put off by the calling a man “poor gay baby” not that they were disagreeing with the message
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hey 😏
HELLO! THIS IS MY CHANCE TO SURVIVE THE NIGHT
When Marvin hits those perfect 'there's'🥵🥵🥵
*vibes aggressively*
Can i come out as a lesbian by covering this but with boys...
wintsty _ omg yes, give updates
Yes please
PLEASE but still try to make it rhyme
I can’t not think of minecraft in this song
He does sound like Christian borle a little?
he does! they have the same kind of high pitched quality to their singing qualitites
Because Chip Zien and Christian Borle are literally the same person in different fonts
@@felixettos like Chip Zein and Brandon Uranowitz
Gosh diddly darn. Marvin must be bi
benplattypus As a bisexual myself, I would TOTALLY say "That's it with girls!"
he’s canonically gay! (also I realize this was from 2 yrs ago but you never know)
jane cardvell they’re being sarcastic
isn’t the title five nights at freddys in a nutshell
perish
Cowlan I can never fucking escape this goddamn game why
this is my least favorite song off the album, but its still a revolutionary song about the gay experience, even with it being from 78'
Okay I know Anthony Rosenthal is older than me and is part of the hecking sister musical/revival but it honestly disturbs me that he knows about this
Like ???you're so pure??? Stop it???
Regality
Why? I think it shows great maturity that he actually took the time to watch and listen to In Trousers. I would let my 14 year old watch it too. It’s really not all that inappropriate. ESPECIALLY not this song. This song is beautiful and is not even a little bit inappropriate.
@@pintoeugene5999 idk I guess he just radiates cinnamon roll energy.
okay but the fact that anthony knows what whizzers going down means has me fucking dead
not to sound hostile or anything, but you all do realize that he’s a teenager right? like most teenagers have seen things that are much worse, in this there’s not even anything bad?and no one is “pure,” especially at his age and i guarantee you that any 14 year old would know what whizzer going down means. i’m sorry if this sounds mean lmao, and that i’m responding to a year old comment
sam h bro preach lI hate it when people automatically assume that a person is completely innocent with no knowledge of literally anything or should be just because they’re a teenager
Do you reckon that the ‘Word’ is whizzer? OR alternatively is it Marvin’s own homosexuality? I question jf it’s whizzer because not only is the word not referred to as a girl or she/her pronouns but it is also referred to as a queer little thing
AH I also forgot that in this whizzer is only mentioned. He doesn’t appear, so in this third of the trilogy he is just ‘a word’
This might be an awful interpretation but I figured it was about him discovering the term ‘homosexuality’ (or something of that nature) and immediately identifying with the label, but at the same time feeling this overwhelming shame and regret because of it. So when he says “that’s it for words” it’s like he’s saying he doesn’t want to acknowledge it? Or maybe he means he’s still afraid to verbalize to his feelings (i.e. come out), even after finding a label that fits him? I may be missing something here but that’s what I came up with
My interpretation! Within the context of this song being about how he’s kind of resigned himself to girls but also being done with them at this point I think he is still with trinna or still presenting straight so TO ME when he says he found a word full of regret it reads as he now knows about his own queerness but doesn’t feel able to do anything about it. He’s full of regret because of his decisions to be with women like sweetheart and trinna.
Here's the thing, William Finn kinda contradict himself:
He described Marvin in the in trousers book as bisexual, but he describes Marvin in the musicals as, well, a homosexual. (At least in Falsettos it's more present this theme) So, guys, stop saying that people that have either view of Marvin's character is wrong, because sexuality is a fluid thing. Maybe Marvin could've felt in his younger years that he was Bi, but then felt like he was more on the gay side. Or maybe he was always gay, maybe he's still bisexual. In trousers is a more poetic musical, so take it's word more softly, be open for different interpretations!
I read the in trousers book online somewhere, and I don’t remember him being referred to as bisexual there? I’m not trying to argue I’m just curious which part(s) refer to him as bi.
wdym in trousers book? like the script? i dont know of an in trousers book but i know 4 a fact william finn would never call marvin bisexual as he has described marvin as a gay man. plus he has never loved women.
if you’re referring 2 the in trousers script then he has definitely not said marvin is bisexual as sexualities arent specifically named in the script (as it was the 80s)
I think your talking about Apple music or smthn, cause Bill finn would not do that
POV: me after cheating on my boyfriend of four years that I never loved with a girl I never liked (I'm ace)
Why do y'all care so much about if Marvin is bi or not, like you're so stressed about it, it's a musical damn
Exactly
because people keep saying marvins bi and erasing his homosexuality. we have a right to be mad about it.
bc its erasure and its harmful
This is a musical about Marvin's sexuality. Of course people care about oi. He is gay.
This song is so beautiful, and it belongs, ONLY, to the lgbt fans. Straight fans could never understand the power and truth behind this song.
The Doctor bet
emjag14217 fucking bet bitch
Aly H
i’m not assuming. even though you thought you were straight, you were never straight. you were always attracted to women whether you knew it or not. so the song has always belonged to you.
goddamn you’re missing the point. don’t block people from our community, welcome them to learn about it. through guarding media we only leave people out and accomplish NOTHING. every single person deserves to listen to the musical. it doesn’t belong to us. william finn wouldn’t want that. he didn’t write 25th annual just for little kids. everyone can get messages out of songs, everyone can learn about communities and struggles through a story. sure, straight people might not relate to what this song is about, but that is okay!
pinto eugene r/gatekeeping. and this is coming from a bisexual.
did the people who worked on falsettos just straight up never listen to this song? 😭
wdym
????
They were written by the same person??
Uh, y'all talking about him saying 'that's it for girls'. He also said 'that's it for words', yet he's still talking ?? so, shut ya mouths and stop assuming his sexuality lmaooo
The dude ain't bi he's canonically gay y'all stop it
He's called a homosexual so many goddamned times. He. Is. Gay.
When you try to seem cool but fail
i've only ever disliked one comment, and it's this one
First of all the two are unrelated second of all have you even seen falsettos the whole point is that *HE IS GAY* literally what