Doomed pair of locomotives, Truck almost hits train and a slag pot dumps Ohio Central Railroad
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- OHCR 8712 and OHCR 8702 work Briar Hill yard in Youngstown Ohio. Brier Hill yard was a former Erie Lackawanna yard located in the north end of Youngstown. It was later Conrail before Ohio Central moved in. The OHCR operates 4 "independent" railroads out of here; The Mahoning Valley Railroad, the Youngstown and Austintown Railroad, the Youngstown Belt Railroad and the Warren and Trumbull Railroad. They use the same crews and locomotives and work multiple lines in a day. All part of G&W's pretend their the little guy bull sh!t. Anyway the title states that these locomotives are doomed. Well that's because G&W lied about on record keeping saying some engines were upgraded so when the EPA found out they took legal action. Now they have to retire 80 locomotives and these are on the list. The EPA mandate has a deadline of 2025 so these old beasts have a little over a year left unless replacements arrive sooner.
The mill adjacent is Vallourec Star, the biggest customer of this railroad. The mill melts scrap with their electric arc and produces steel pipe. The mill has several plant switchers leased from LTEX. The slag is hauled by a rubber tired vehicle which makes an appearance in this video. The OHCR crew grouped up some cars for CSX and then shoved them to interchange.
Filmed 3/29/23
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Thank goodness there still is some action there but no doubt isn't anywhere near the volume. The mountains of scrap the LTEX switcher in the background plus all those cars of pipes. That truck was close to being a hood ornament. Thanks for taking the time to shoot an area like this as most people pass on stuff where there's low volume
Thanks for watching! Youngstown is definitely a shadow of what it once was. If it wasn’t for Vallourec there would be almost nothing here.
@@ScottTaipaleRailjust saw this on the Metals magazine news site about a week ago the McDonald Steel company poured their last batch to be made into pipe in their namesake City. Spun off from us Steel in 1981 it represented the end of USS in that part of the valley and in some respects it's surprising they lasted that long. No doubt one of those four railroads will actually lose some business
I was born across the border in Sharon, Pa. in 1960 when big steel still ruled that area. We moved south in 1970 just as everything was starting to collapse as far as American steel. It was decades before I returned to Sharon, but it sure bore little resemblance to the place I left in 1970! I’m really surprised to see a mill still operating in Youngstown, thinking they had suffered a similar fate! My grandfather was an engineer on NYC running mostly between Youngstown and Ashtabula hauling iron ore South and I think coal north. He passed away not long after I was born, but I’d love to hear his stories! Actually have some B&W pics of him on his last run. On that day he was running a GP-7 or 9 (torpedo tubes as I recall) on what appears to be a passenger train. Are there any mills that you’re aware of that still use iron ore/taconite? Great vid! Thanks for sharing!
I believe this is the last mill operating in the Youngstown area. They had been closed in the early 80’s but North Star steel bought it and reopened them. Later they were acquired by Vallourec who has invested a lot into operations.
No blast furnace here but there are places that still run with taconite. USS in Braddock Pa gets a trainload a day from Conneaut via the B&LE. Cliffs in Cleveland has 2 blast furnaces, their ore comes directly by ship. We film down there pretty often, I’ve got a few recently uploaded videos of the CWRO (the Crow) moving bottle cars and such there.
Was it better, cheaper Japanese product or too large union that ended production in the mideast?
We got a GP7 rebuild from the Grand Truck on the Wheeling and Lake Erie, one of the hardest working engine on the rails. Now she works for the Akron Barberton Cluster ( part of the W&LE). Built in 1957 one great engine.
A fantastic video, excellently filmed. Thank you very much for showing it and best regards from Germany
Thank you very much! Appreciate your views!
It is sad to see these GP-11's being put out to pasture. They are still a solid work horse. Have seen them many times since Paducah put them out on the IC.
They definitely have an interesting look to them.
@@ScottTaipaleRail they differ from the GP-10 and GP-8 rebuilds as they changed and upgraded the electrical systems and in order to do that, they extended the long hood right behind the cab, shortened the cab and the nose to allow those modifications. You can always spot one by the short square box immediately behind the cab and the nose appears shorter. Too bad there is not an easier way to upgrade the power to the EPA standards. If it could be done in an easy way, and cost effective, as one of your other comments, they could very well last to be 100 years old with the proper maintenance.
@@keithwest2575 normally, just add a EPA 1033 rebuild kit, and your done, but in G&W's case, they have to cut up the locomotives and their engines for scrap.
not sad INFERIATING. they are perfectly good engines, they should be kept in service. also the EPA is a scam and unconstitutional, they have no authority over any of this shit and NO ONE should listen to them.
This is ridiculous. The EPA should have no authority to do anything. Congress should be the only one to have authority
Loved the video of the switchers!! Best video I've seen in a while. Thanks for making it.
Great work 👉🏽🥇👍🏽
Thank uou
Thanks you guys. That was interesting to see. From Highland falls New York
Glad you enjoyed it thanks!
I’ve seen videos of “upgrading” locomotives.. Most Diesel engines have been replaced with gas, and alternative fuels the EPA allowed. Some locomotives were recycled using electric motors and acid batteries.. I thought about using alternative heating methods of using steam engines to boil water to produce steam engines without coal and oil. That way, upgrade the locomotives, and get the EPA to back off.. I’m in Texas and sadly the railroad industry is becoming or is abandoned. Great Video!! Railroads in the Western and most Texas, Midwest areas are overgrown with mesquite trees and the FWWR and other little railroad lines are being abandoned.. An old rail “trunk” from Lometa,TX used to run all the way to Menardville (Menard), via Brady, TX, parts of Sterling City, Comanche, TX; Dublin,TX; Gorman, TX, Sipe (Seep) Springs, TX; Rising Star, TX to Cross Plains, TX fell between 1927 to 1940 and Comanche, TX, Stephenville, TX; Hamilton, TX to Gatesville, TX to Lime City, TX to McGregor, TX to Waco, TX also collapsed from 1928 to 1972 with over a few hundred miles of track abandoned and dismantled. The railroad Depots were of the ancient Stephenville Texas North and South railroad absorbed by the St Louis Southwestern railroad. A bit of forgotten yet Texas Railroad History. I’d love to have a few locomotive Round Houses and Steam and Diesel workshops. But the stupid EPA would screw that up too!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 FU-EPA!
Fantastic use of the horn lol
The interesting part is, that the United States Army still operates the older model of these locomotives: The GP10
Some will probably be working when they’re 100.
It’s such a shame to as all these locomotives will look like the scrap metal they are hauling soon
That'alot of heavy metal being hauled out of the yard😢.
High quality pipe!
A bunch of EMD's on that list. Including quite a few SD40's of various build revisions, a few tunnel motors, bunch of old Geeps, etc. ☹ Too bad they couldn't be donated to museums.
Really annoying they had to fudge the paperwork. That list is the most interesting power they run.
@@ScottTaipaleRail I agree completely. One of the things i've always loved about G&W owned shortlines was their use of vintage EMD power. Heck the only SD40-2's, GP's, etc. that i've seen in revenue service are on the Dallas, Garland, and Northeastern whom are owned by G&W. I was so happy that I spotted some old 2-strokers in the wild that I snapped a crappy video with my phone and had an N scale model of it painted, lol.
your work is incredible
i wish dennison depot was able to buy these
Nice to see that SLR Boxcar
Very cool video 👍🏻
Thank you
Awesome video
I Love Trains I've Seen Like 70 Of Them Things
I haul in and out of that yard at 3 times a week
Boy, I like this site!
I work on a short line transporting crews to and fro and all the older engines (lease and own) have been modified, why is it being stated these are being doomed, is OHC not willing to retrofit the exhaust on them?
G & W messed up the paperwork and lied on some stuff that they said they did the proper maintenance on when they didn’t. Since the EPA cannot track maintenance history correctly and adequately they must be scrapped.
They probably could have, but the EPA demanded that the engines be scrapped
Show de bola muito bom ❤❤❤❤!!!!
THEY'RE NOT DOOMED!! SCOTT! OLD GEEPS WILL KEEP LIVING TILL THEY FALL APART!
These are! EPA is making them scrap the engines.
So efficient use of crews and locomotives is bull sheet?
Nope you misread. Pretending they’re small independent shortlines to milk government assistance is bullshit. Nothing against the crews actually running the trains.
Have to keep replaying the scenes over and over cause theres layers of stuff happening over the distance.
Sadly old railroad crossties or sleepers are decorative flower beds and other outdoor projects. Too bad the railroad industry is dead in Texas with limited resources and limited access to transportation needs in the rural areas.
Watched entire video, saw nothing indicating locomotives were doomed. And saw no Slag pot dumped. Enlighten me.
At the beginning of the video, look at the upper left hand corner of the screen. You can see the slag pot being dumped with the stream of molten metal.
The description explains why the locomotives are doomed. They have a required deadline with the scrapper
@@MrThecroatianYou're seeing molten slag, not molten metal, although slag contains metal oxides and traces of metal. It's more like manmade lava, and it becomes gravel-like when it cools. Often used for railroad ballast, gravel roads, and many other applications.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 Thanks!
You must be really good at climbing trees to get these camera views.
Lol big trees in Youngstown
Armco?
Why are the Locos doomed?.
They’re required by the epa to be scrapped by 2025. I put that in the description.
Just gotta love the EPA just thinking that by commanding it they can order new and efficient technology in to existence by force of will or shortlines, regionals and industrial operations will just be able to replace their fleet of functional 3rd or 4th hand power with the new unproven locomotives powered by pixie dust and unicorn farts.
If it was in the description about 2025, I would not have asked, but its not.
@@headsup2433 I could have sworn I added that but I must have gotten distracted. Sorry, I will update that description!
G & W also lied on maintenance reports and the EPA sued them because they couldn’t track the required maintenance.
Is this uss outside clevland?
North side of Youngstown. Not USS. Vallourec Star, don’t know anything about them.
@@ScottTaipaleRail I should have read the description.
Lies will catch up to you.
Ok bro. Nothing in the title or description is a lie. Laziness will catch up with you.