Pro-Russian Rebels Surround Military Academy: Russian Roulette in Ukraine (Dispatch 35)
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2014
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On Tuesday morning the Ukrainian government announced it had ordered the halting of flights at Donetsk airport and the closure of the airspace across the region. The airport was almost completely empty, except for a few stranded travelers.
Later in the day, VICE News visited a Ukrainian regional military college where pro-Russia rebels had set up a perimeter surrounding the entrance to the building, blocking the road of any traffic. A Donetsk People's Republic spokesperson said they heard that the Ukrainian ultra-nationalist group Right Sector was going to seize the academy and use it as a base.
In a sign of increased escalation, the militia in Donetsk was well equipped with AK-47s, RPGs, and even anti-tank missile launchers.
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Well the airport sure seems a bit different now...
It seems that this is one of the last shots of the whole airport
@@updidi You just started watching? :D me too
@@fullmoon6661 rewatch
Willyam Adhi I wish they’d continue this series
TR TR TR
so this pro-russian people know how to stand in military order, use rpgs and guns? this "ordinary" people are even holding guns like real soldiers, this arenot pro-russian ukraines, this is russian army, and at 3:00 you can clearly see that he is chechen, look at his head :))))))))
Ukrainians have several years compulsory military service in which they are trained to use all kinds of such weapons. Are you suggesting that they would forget all their training instantly upon leaving the military?
I'm pretty sure that they would still know how to use guns, even several years after leaving the army.
My friend was in the army 6 or 7 years ago, but he still knows the training.
tigermunky you cant shot down 2 helis with rpg if you dont have full training course in army turst me, rpgs are so hard to use and what you can say about that chechen at 3:00? look at his logo on forehead, i know how military stuff works and i gotta say i can see more things in this video than others....... this is just too obvious that there are russian troopers among separatist noobs.
Yeah, so much for journalistic objectivity. Also, what about calling AK47s & RPGs "heavy weapons". A real military expert this one. This whole thing is fubar.
giorgi bitadze I've seen no proof of Russian soldiers there please link if you have seen any proof , and a rpg7 is very easy to use even children can use them and have done, less than 1min of instruction would be enough. About 1/3rd of Russians have family in Ukraine and most Russians hate fascists so of cause there will be Russians but there not fsb or army or anything like that .
Steve Arthur The Taliban had training from the SAS and have access to larger weapons just like the Pro-Russians seem to have all of a sudden.
Journalist rule of thumb: say Kalashnikov instead of AK-47, then you'll be at least kind of right.
***** Maybe grammatically safe! Call it a fucking pogo stick. It's still going to mow people down like a goddamn john deere.
Just so you know, i'v read a good 40 separate comments going over this, those of you who know are not thought of as hardcore gun nuts, actually i think, wow somebody played a lot of video games, else why they get so OCD about it?
My point was more that journalists should use vague, but correct terms to avoid sounding stupid, since if you make a little mistake like that, people can ultimately question the validity of your statements even more. It's a shame that Simon got into some shit and had to be replaced, while I didn't agree with some points he'd make, it was reassuring he knew the language and was knowledgeable about the general situation among other things.
Majestic Yodalar
Rootie Tootie, point and shootie.
TopShelfization well.... One s right, one isn't. It's like calling an apple an orange.
that's one hell of a peaceful population they got there
Sha4loMr
There are a lot of murderers in Odesa too....
jakatom and try to guess where did they come from? famous ukrainian titushkas from eastern regions are traveling through the country
Sha4loMr
The fact is that there are armed neo-fascist gangs in Ukraine. When the Odesa massacre happened even members of parlament congratulated the fascists for being good murderers. And don't think the world doesn't know about the rise of fascism in Ukraine....
jakatom
Well, whenever you disrupt a peaceful march of Ultra nationalist football fans to their football game by killing three of them you usually get the same outcome
jakatom but it wasn't caused by ukrainian nationalists (or how you call them "fascists". At least they are under some government control, but prorussians are under russia control.). everything started from ukrainian march which was then attacked by prorussian armed people. and they had not only baseball bats, but guns and machine guns. and the most terrible is that they were covered and protected by local corrupted police. and then was the massacre.
5:49 Everybody bounce!
hahahahaha
that creased me up a little
Wow Donetsk airport still intact that's crazy to see now after what happened to it
Crazy to look back on this after the battles that happened at the airport
I think Ponomajev was successful in making Simon silent in the time, where his enduring and daring reports have been needed the most. Crimea was quite clear, the first protests in Donetsk, etc. were quite understandable, but now it's the real deal, where the claims and the fights are so large, that it's getting really complicated and necessary for a daring reporter like Simon. No offense to the exchance reporter for his important job, but i miss Simon in this particular moment.
These Vice Russian Roulette Dispatches have been (and continue to be) absolutely fascinating - an amazing running series of on-the-ground front-line interviews and footage. These journalists/journalist-cameramen put themselves directly in the middle of an evolving whirlwind of a situation that has - week by week - seen the para-military mobilization of thousands of ordinary citizens.
A right-there look at an extremely complicated economic and societal situation that's been exacerbated by external, opportunistic, surprise Russian military, FSB/military-intelligence operations. A situation that seems to be heading towards open clashes of heavily armed soldiers and militia and possibly a larger civil war. Watch as it happens - see the fire being lit.
The footage, and its masterful editing, is fantastic. Watch it all to see amazing slices of the evolution of what's really happening on the ground. The series seems to be refreshingly neutral. For months they've been talking to everyone who is willing to speak on camera - all sides are represented. See what it's like.
Great journalism.
The use of force by means of army or aviation would be to take out armed militants, not civilians. I didn't see any civilians in this footage. Arming like that makes militants, not civilians.
These are Ak-74's not 47 !
Give him a peanut!
AK74, eh? Do those fire backwards?
That just made my day! XD
I've been watching these Ukrainian reports for a while and I haven't seen one of these pro-Russian separatists folks carrying an AK-47. That seems really weird to me as there are plenty of people in the States that would choose an Ak-47 over an AR-15 or M4 or AK74. I'm not sure what that means about the supplies the separatists have. It seems fishy
The AK 74M is the Ukrainian and Russian service rifle and IE what they seize most often. If I seized arms from a British military base for instance I'd expect to see LA85's and no SLR's. Like the British did with the SLR's, the Russians sold off or destroyed most of their old rifles a long time ago.
The AK47 is so popular in the states because of the readily available quantities of steel surplus ammo and discount AK derivatives imported from former eastern bloc countries such as Romania and Belarus.
I miss simon. :(
Any news on him?....is he still looking for russian troops ?
none of them were carrying AK-47s.... they were carrying AK-74/AK-74M
Give the guy a break he ain't a gun expert they probably all look the same, like an M4 and M16
Actually they look a lot diffrent and have diffrent caliblre, too. It's also not about using the wrong term I guess. It's more about using a catch word like "AK-47", wich in public perception sounds dangerous or otherwise "deviant". Instead of using the wrong term/name, saying assault rifle or even AK-74 derivate would suggest proper knowledge and a more differentiated professional opinion.
someone plays call of duty.
***** someone is a tough cunt with a gun.
Didn't see any AK-74M here. Only AKS-74 and AK-74 :)
I wish I could blame all of my country's problems on the West. Unfortunately, I've matured beyond the age of 14.
You haven't matured past the age of 5 with that idiotic comment.This is the wests fault.The west installed the new puppet regime in Kiev.Im not saying Yanukovych was much better,but at least there was no violence in the country until the Eu deal bullshit went down.Then the west started supporting the Maidan protestors who for the most part were made up of Ukrainian nationalists who hate Russia and Russians.Its like they were too dumb to predict this.You put a pro-Ukrainian nationalist government in Kiev obviously the other nationalities in Ukraine will feel oppressed.What Ukraine needs is a government who is neither pro Russian nor pro Ukrainian.
hahaha well said mega. russian people always crying about how their problems are USA or someone else's fault. it's almost funny if it wasn't so stupid and pathetic. the russians have been and always will be their own worst enemies. they do their best to hold onto all the nearby countries and did their best to Russify them but as the world can see since 1991 most people don't want anything to do with the Russian's
sergey glavan I love blind propaganda like this comment hahaha
sergey glavan
wrong comrade, this is all putins fault, hes angry that Ukrainians ousted Yanukovych his puppet.
sergey glavan
Well considering that Russia's puppet regime was , the west would've done them a favour.
assuming they even had anything to do with it. "oh yeah sure here are shields from our NATO shield factories, go topple your government".
look how Putin gave their journos medals for putting things in the correct light :DDDDD
obviously the fact that west's leaders don't give their journos any medals mean that they failed in their job. lmao.
The ukrainian people that i know say, that most of their friends (part of the well educated ukrainians) are already too afraid to go out on the streets for any kind of protest. That could be the reason for the actual "protests" looking so pro russian. 1. You must be a really narrow minded person, to actually hope for russia to help you with your pitiable life. 2. When you look at the "protesters" in Odessa or anywhere in eastern Ukraine, you see people, that seem to have nothing to lose really. Educated people wont try to argue with gun carrying mobs of people, they rather stay in a safe place.
uvanakorgana
Russia is loosing money rapidly right now because of this. And coal in Donbass is depleting, that's why they are not getting paid, because the deeper you mine , the poorer quality coal you get and it becomes more expensive to mine it in the first place. So i don't see how Russia could help them.
***** And what "People in the West" are you referring to that you think are pulling the strings?
Black, white, black, white, black, white ... ou yeah.
I am Russian and have PhD. I have friends in Donetsk and Kharkov who are also PhD and completely support rebels.
That says a lot about you and your friends.
At peace population have guns, RPG , BTR ? Peace population shoot down helicopters?
Nope. They stole it from military bases. Also lots of soldiers gave up their equipment / deserted to the pro-Russians.
Malacovics There's also lots of veterans.
grisevg Veterans don't keep their weapons after service. They *can* purchase a rifle, I think, but I can't tell since I don't know the gun laws in Ukraine.
Does a peaceful government which just took control of the country in a violent coup send army to suppress the other part of the country which does not agree with the change of the power?
wanyxspe123 Both sides are dirty as fuck. One is basically a fake government taken over by a violent neo-nazi party and the other one is an insurgent imperialistic group.
I learn more from vice than any other news source
Yeah. We can clearly see faces of terrorussians, e.g. Mamiev.
None of the guys in the Video have AK-47's, the fuck is he on about?
Ak74s then with RPG-7's maybe one or two ak47s but they were made by the same guy mr Kalashnikov god rest his soul
***** well he should be taught atleast something about what the ukranians are arming themselves with
Found this for ya'll :)
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Please don't call the weapons you see AK-47s, as they clearly are AK-74s..
I mainly watch these vidoes for the US vs Russia fights in the comments
how is Ukraine illegitimate, get outta here troll
you cant just call a country illegitimate, thats not how international law works, read a book
Well said, the government is illegitimate because its unelected and today they are murdering there own people because they disagree with them
***** ye keep telling yourself that, just like that putins propaganda that you soak up.
Which is a lie,that you still haven't figured out. whats next Kazakstan is part of europe?
Now, now don't flatter yourself I didn't ask about your russian life story kid.
And I wasnt talking to you in the first place, unless you want to prove that justfoundout is your troll sock account. -tool-.
When you arm and mask yourself, you are no longer a civilian but a combatant.
Since when does regular "civilians" carry RPG's and anti tank weapons??? Really Russia? Really?
***** Thats why I said carry man lol. Since when do regular "civillians" know how to operate/hit anything with them as well??? Russia!!!
Well in Kiev they had some pretty good snipers !
***** No it's not that simple.
Well you should know that the Anti-Kiev forces have some ex-soldiers in their troop. Just like Kiev had soldiers (Svoboda Leader for Example) participating in the Chechen Wars (against russia).
***** I'm talking about Ukraine not Syria. Regardless the US hasn't given weapons to Syrian rebels. They're being supplied by other countries and whatnot.
This is an excellent show. Please post more updates.
Bunch of kids commenting on these videos thinking they know shit when in fact they don't.
very true.
kids and paid russian commenters, mostly. Also dumb conspiracy theorists who think everything is a CIA plot
I know your all right? typical of an American. Having the absolute truth ...
*****
The right sector represents a small minority of the parliment. There is no documented slaughter of any neo nazi groups, there is evidence of pro russian separatists taking buildings and kidnapping and murdering people, and then ukranians retaliating.
I comment beecause I do know shit, what you are saying is entirely lies. People are confused because of RT and the constant lies they put forth like "Neo nazis slaughtering people", yeesh, isn't that a bit much? You seriously buy that, even with ZERO conclusive evidence of people being "slaaughtered" outside of doctored shots of Odessa that don't even show that the Russians fired first and threw molotovs?
Словянск уже взят в кольцо, никого не впускают и не выпускают. Вчера военные открыли огонь по легковушке, в которой пыталась спастись семья, как итог двое убитых. Как же нужно ненавидеть свой народ и людей вообще, что бы отдавать, а главное исполнять преступные приказы ...
Это уже не их народ, для них это не люди совсем, их этому долго обучали в лагерях. Тем более они на ставке у олигархов, чем больше провокационных нелепых убийств, тем больше им платят(эта инфа потом идет в сми, как террористы убивают жителей, поддерживающих КИев)
I HAVE A THOUGHT , WHY DONT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG ?
Oooh. That would be so good.
If only if only my friend. If only
Russia started all this shit.
Andy J You dont know nothing... this shit begin EEUU... First Study a bit after Speak...
Илья Микулич speak english pls
Goddamnit, not every Kalashnikov pattern rifle is an AK-47. Those are AK-74m. Specifically the AKS-74m variant, due to the Side-folding skeleton stock.
Calm down CoD fan.
Thanks for the frequent coverage VICE News concerning Ukraine.
It bugs me so freaking hard when he says "They got AK47's". It's a freaking AK74 variant, in this case the AK74S to be more specific. And yes, it does matter.
Considering the subject matter, not really....
@Baron Von Grijffenbourg lmao ammosexuals I'm using that from now on
@Baron Von GrijffenbourgI shouldn't laugh I too am a little ammosexual lol.take care my friend.
no it doesn't.
you're a dweeb, a geek. nothing more. knowing a model of a gun doesn't stop your dweebness. you want to be batman. but you're still just a dweeb who points out minor errors on the internet. you will die a virgin.
This new reporter guy is doing a pretty good job :)
I have never seen so many AK-74s in one place, definitely not AK-47s.
In Ukraine (and Russia) we just say Kalashnikov, which includes both the AK-47 and the AK-74.
Same in Belfast!
AK-74, AKs-74u, definitely not AK-47.
i miss simon :(
The airport stuff reminds me of the first mission in the German campaign in call to arms
Crazy to watch these old footage. This airport is in ruins now, crazy to think a war would break out anytime soon...
Can you please investigate what really happened in Odessa?
Isn't it obvious?The Russian forces left Ukraine,so now the Ukrainian army is free to clear the country of the pro-russians.
A bunch of seditious cunts were given the death penalty they deserved?
Mikhail Orlov People burned there.
Russians keep talking about Ukraine using military against peaceful civilians, but they never say that the "civilians" are armed with assault rifles, machine guns, rocket launchers etc.Ukraine is moving in to clear the area of armed people, there is no intention to harm actual civilians.
No? But they do it. And they do it often. Probably just searching weapon of mass destruction, I heard many Ukrainian civilians have it.
Lots of civilians support the militia though. And lots die in crossfire =[
***** Tell that to Putin next time he Art'ys an entire city into oblivion.
Preston Trotter What you talking about? War in Afganistan? That's wasn't Putin's work. So, I belive, I will never had to tell him that)
Just a curious question for 2:57. :) What is the meaning of the headband the guy is wearing? It almost looks like arabic script to me, but I'd like to hear from someone who knows what that is.
It's like a Dayz, terrible...
This is a message to UA army : blow dat blue truck.
roger that
I think I hear the flapping of white coats....
***** What are white coats? Scientists? LOL
This series is so sterile without Simon.. Either he comes back, or this gentleman ramps up his work. There is no emotion, I can't relate to it like I could when Simon reported.
Those weren’t all ak47s they were mainly aks-74u
How many more episodes?
Only god knows. lol
Marius Waskaas Obama knows
Joseph Knecht
haha
Joseph Knecht As the saying goes, war is good for business..
I think around 20. Last will be for complete defeat of Kiev, in Kiev.
AK-74s not ak-47s.
the US should lend some Drones to ukraine airforce...... prob solved .............pick out all these pro russian convoys .
ukraine isnt part of nato. the fist thing you would see would be UN just like in Serbia.
Fuck the US
Bane Hallow
So edgy.
Not gonna happen. The Ukraine government is in such disarray that all the best weapons in the world won't help them. We (USA) would be foolish and stupid to offer any weaponry at all to the Ukrainian government. Their own officers and soldiers are surrendering.
GorillaBorg
Excuuuuuuuuuuuuse meeeeee! I am a fairly normal person, there is no need to call me edgy!!!
2:59 czeczeni ??
It's cool how they got Samwell Tarly to be the airport spokesman.
Lets start a Referendum on the return of Simon !
RE-FE-REN-DUM, RE-FE-REN-DUM..
I'm 6 years late
AK-47...
I guess the journalist in question is quite fond of this firearms guide.
www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/journalist-firearms-identification-guide.jpg
atleast he didnt try calling the rpg-18's anything haha
Seeing how vice news was there at that airport while it was still intact and still operational and then knowing what it is today...idk about y’all but I think it’s just really really SPOOKY. And a shame too
where is Simon?
Thank you, VICE, for continuing this series.
Those aren't AK-47's
this is AK-74. You can find a lot of them in exSoviet territories
Anyone who has watched all 35 of these dispatches has recently used the word "provocateur" in their daily life. You know you have.
Ppl complain about the Vice videos but this is the best there is from the inside
AKMs not AK-47s...
Ak-74*
Simon Doge Referring in general to modernized AK platforms and their multiple derivative models...
Bravo Novorussia's warriors !!!!!
Bravo Novorussia's terrorists!!!
+Peter Griffin right... terrorists! go ask to the thousands in jail if they are terrorists,, or better go ask to the disappeared. Not be capable of acknowledge the fact they are Ukrainians fighting for self determination, but especially fighting against fascism is absolutely incredible!
@@rechelmet so were millions of Ukrainians displaced . Not to mention that the DNR is braking the law
74's, not 47's u can tell from the break and the 7N6 that they are loading from the crates.
Great job covering these peaceful protests!
Despite what happening is horrible I am glad there is some sense of chivalry happening here. The cadets were allowed to be evacuated. IF you have ever monitored any conflict. the cadets are usually given guns and told to get their training from combat itself in these situations. Russia will eventually take Ukraine.
Russia won't take Ukraine. It would be disastrous for its own economy.
***** You mean like what they had before? What started the revolution?
HDaviator
They will take eastern part and it will be disaster but not for Russia but for the people from Donetsk and whole eastern Ukraine, Putin will use this region for growing (as it has good soil) and it will be send to Russia with no money left here, It will be like gulag for producing cheap food for free. Pro-russians from Donetsk are so dumb. They think Putin will give them gold. Please go ahead and visit Russia, but not the center of Moscow, the villiges. You will see the glory of Putins promises. People are suffering from no job and eating cheapest food or no food at all... Sick people with no medical help, etc. etc. THINK TWICEBEFbefore you will join "big brother" becase big brother will beat up you. DON SAY I"M provoking, go there and take a look, there is not better argument.
Western and Central Ukraine, I don't think so, it seems to me that they would have a hard time there. But the east, and maybe the south, that's very possible. I think they have been preparing for this for some time.
@@IILoCoII HAHAHAHHAHA it's incredible! Everyday is a celbration for us now) Russia didn't bomb our kindergardens and beaches, Ukraine did. Not everyone in this world cares about money above all! But you will not understand, because you will sell your own fatherland, your own daughter and mother for the sweet sweet mulla, won't you? Слава России!
As an outsider, I get all sides of this situation. No one is really right or wrong. On one side , these pro russian rebels are like a step child. Displaced by their own government in a nation that doesnt embrace their cultural differences. You can take the land but you cant expect people to give up values or language. On the other hand, Ukraine has every right to enforce integration at every part of its jurisdiction. Including reintroduction with the West. Russia stole what it gave away years ago in the disguise of "the will of the people " They didnt care about the people then, they certainly dont care about the people now. All Russia cares about is increasing the distance between Moscow and their border. Its a vulnerability to them. Naturally they will protect such interests by encroaching Belarus and Ukraine. But make no mistake..this is not about the people.
If it were, i think the most appropriate action would be for Crimea to become its own slavic state.
Crimeans are very happy to be with russia. None of us want to go back to Ukraine, we remember these days as a nightmare. To become a slavic state would be to ask ukrainian fascist to invade so no thank you. We democratically (cause that's the western value? do you understand that people have a right to decide for themselves?) want to be with russia. Mind your business, you can have your western Ukraine, but Novorossia is with Russia, because people want it so)
Good to know that there are only "departures" from that place 00:34 ;-)
Many people like me are going to grow up wanting to make this world a better place.
I can't wait until the World Cup. Everyone is going to be booing the shit out of the russian team
haha no, Im in Brazil and here they are more aware of the crimes of the United States and if any team gets booed will be them... they suck anyways
Lucas Carranza Vélez Unfortunately people hate nazis more
north america will know its propaganda when they see soccer on tv
Knights2theEnd The nazis are the Junta in Kiev, not Russians.
Lucas Carranza Vélez stop immgrating over then and stay the fuck in your own country:)
its an ak74
3:10 - "Don't film, I'm eating my chips!"
- hard core civil war goin down. Serious Mode.
Why do they keep calling the AK-74 AK-47?!?!?
Instead of saying pro-russian, could you say anti-Kiev illegal Government? From my understanding most of these people do not want to join Russia but are more so opposed to the illegal Government that has taken control of Kiev.
Orange and Black are my favorite colors, comrades have good taste.
Yea if they only knew what that place would be like shortly after this, hope they can have peace soon, this war still dragging on years later
Most rifles you see in this video are not AK47
Adults playing cops and robbers.
simon simon simon!
I was confused Pro Russian? Got the translation: New Cannon Fodder.
This Reporter has GUTS being in this dangerous environment!
Its 2024 and Ukraine's cheeks are being absolutely clappd 🤣
Would love to see these guys try something like this at West Point Military Academy. Haha.
Really? They don't play army, THEY ARE THE ARMY, duffuss. WP is Officer Training School. All graduate with rank of Lieutenant. watch?v=fz9tiTSib9Y (add yt url to this)
***** Just so you know, youtube allows full links to other videos now.
If they tried, the enemy becomes Swiss Cheese 🧀
Eventually that beautiful airport collapsed
pretty much the last time that airport is recognizable...
"peaceful" with ak47s and rpgs. hahahaha.
Haha I know right? Every corner there’s a soldier with an AK ready to go
Russians are at it again! Russian Roulette dispatch 1,000
HA. Gotta love how Pro-Russian supporters just assume that these are "peaceful" civilians. These guys took weapons from Army bases and just MAGICALLY knew how to operate them? There is a video out there of "civillians" doing doughnuts in captured APCs...think for yourselves people- Ask someone who has never rode a bike before to do it, they will 100% fall off, you need practice and training!
PLUS- these guys were the first people to bring weapons into Eastern Regions into usage, yet they are "peaceful". Of course if the Ukrainian army is fired upon, it will fight back, and it the ones who fired first who should bare responsibility of any accidental civilian deaths.
Lets be honest....its just a handful of pro-Russian gunmen who want to be part of Russia, and have successfully suppressed the Pro-Ukrainian civilians who cant show their support for their Government without being labelled as Nazis and beaten up/killed.
Seriously, fuck Putin and his inferiority complex. Play with your own toys instead of stealing other peoples.
USSR had army training in schools, around 8-9th grade. On top of that everybody was required to serve in the Army, they're trying to switch to a contract system (like one in the US) but not having much luck with it. So yeah, it's not surprising at all that all of those people know how to operate an AK, they could probably strip and clean an AK in their sleep, with one hand tied behind their backs.
Regarding the weapons being "brought in", they're mostly weapons that were seized during captures of police and SBU buildings. There were news of them taking some army posts as well, which could explain the RPGs.
Ukraine continues to claim that the border is secure after all.
Now, I'm not defending these "kolorads" (colorado potato beetle) but at least get your facts straight before you start spewing opinions.
Well you clearly did not understand what I meant. Yes, there are multiple military training schools within Ukraine which are very much USSR styled that continue to operate today, indeed, if you dont go to higher education in Ukraine one of the common options is going to military school- i know this as I have many friends in Western Ukraine who do this.
BUT, they do not teach how to use anti-tank missiles, the operation of armored vehicles and other heavy weaponry. Its really not in a states interest to educate their young population in such a way, imagine what could happen! Even so, an AK tear down is exceedingly easy, it only has like 5 working parts anyway and any idiot can look like they know what they are doing if they are pointing it in the right direction- that's why the AK has been the weapon of millions of deaths across the world.
HOWEVER when I mentioned the weapons being brought in, I meant weapons to further their own political ends, for example the presence of them in the "peaceful" protests. Of course these were taken from currently standing military/police bases. If you had actually read what I said, these separatists were the first to fire shots and use them for their own ends. Until that time, the military didnt fire a single shot.
Please actually attempt to read what people have said mate!
KMA Freddie No, you clearly do not understand what I mean. These people know how to operate the weapons because they were ALL trained in the use of said weapons. Everybody in the Soviet/post-Soviet army learns how to handle AKs of various modifications and models. All of the infantry, and many non-infantry, also learn how to operate AT weapons and portable AA weapons. That's what being in the army means, you learn how to fight. When every male is required to serve in the army it's no surprise that every male knows how to use weapons. Plus we haven't actually seen them use these weapons, they carry the AKs, but for all we know most of them may not even be loaded...
Let me clear up my previous post further: you said "first people to bring weapons into Eastern Regions" -- they didn't BRING weapons into the area, they confiscated them and used them in the same area. Confiscated is a bit of a strong word here, they pretty much waltzed into the police buildings while armed with sticks and a few handguns, maybe a hunting rifle or two. Perhaps it would be more fair to say that they were handed these weapons, because sure as hell nobody put up much of a resistance to keep them away.
"Lets be honest....its just a handful of pro-Russian gunmen who want to be part of Russia" -- is simply not true. If it were only those people then the Ukrainian "anti-terrorist operation" would've been done with them a long time ago, instead of running for nearly a month without any results. That's exactly the problem, that a significant portion of the residents are in support of the "pro-Russian" side, they're even asking to be given weapons so they could help fight off the army when it decides to finally make a stand.
At this point I'm not very clear on what you're trying to say, the only part of your posts so far that made sense was "fuck Putin" but you didn't have to go and write an essay just to say two words.
KMA Freddie You got no idea of what you are saying...unlike US military that is mercenary,a lot of other countries have mandatory army training...like in my country Greece...i went to the army,i know how to operate weapons...i was in the infantry...so i only know the simple stuff...other Greeks tho go to the artillary or tanks regiments...so you can find a lot of Greeks that can operate tanks or artirelly...the same was in Ukraine till very recently...what is happening in Ukraine is civil war...plain and simple.
Wonder who got the Porsche in the airport during the battle lol
These people must have forgotten how bad it was for them being apart of the Eastern Bloc back before the collapse of the Soviet Union.
How would you know you lived there?
jacob skidan
History is very clear about Eastern Europe during the cold war. People were trying to get the hell out of there. It's no coincidence that Eastern Europe is poorer than Western Europe. The iron curtain was not put in place to keep people out, it was put in place to keep people in. Look at East-Germany and compare it to West-Germany.
Eastern Ukraine was doing much better in Soviet times than it is now anyone from there will tell you that .
jacob skidan The majorityf the population of Eastern Ukraine voted for independence back in 1991. Three weeks after the Ukraine succeeded, the USSR collapsed. Life was no picknick back than. Did you know that millions of Ukranian people staved to death under Stalin? They call it The Holodomor. Google it. As far as I can see, the only people who want to go back to Russia are the ethnic Russians...
why do you support the western stance on foreign policy? not 50 years ago your government was branding south african blacks as terrorists. or have you forgotten that?
Дима ты несешь БРЕД!!!!
That spec ops guy just munching some berries or whatever in Nikes. Boss man.
Where is Simon??
All I see are
☠️Wagner Group Mercenaries ☠️
Why are people always surprised that these guys can handle a rifle? Those regions are brimming with former military from the Afghan war especially. It's like the 21st century's answer to Sparta.
The add on sound minimum still deaf. This video on full sound still hard to hear. Thanks youtube for making me deaf!
I'm assuming Henry will be replacing Simon until future notice?
this is soo getting me worked up so FUCKING MUCH. we have WW3 on are hands and i hope and pray to god that ukraine wins
if a world war goes on, last place your going to be worried about is ukraine.
Firstly God doesn't take side's, especially if both sides are Christian. Secondly, no offense Ukraine, but you would be like the first little piggy that gets it's house blown down.
***** Thirdly god favors aliens over all and humans should obey their reptilian overlords.
World Peace! I say we all just sit down, in a circle (AA meeting style) and smoke a blunt.
You applying for Miss Alabama Suzie?
yeah but then someone will topload the joint and all hell will break loose
2:56 is this hisbollah ribbon? if so, shit just got serious
VICE, PLEASE, ENGLISH SUBTITLE!
Seems like if the fighting suddenly stops tomorrow, a lot of commentators will be very disappointed here.
Ain't that the truth!
8 years later and things get a lot worse
vice, try calling the people of donetsk as anti-kiev, instead of pro-russia. this terminology is very important because of western tendency to regard russia as 'the other white people' and an evil state. donetsk republic doesnt necessarily want to join russia, it only wants law and order, free of kiev henchmen that are constantly killing unarmed civilians here. the funny thing is the democratic referendum in donetsk and lugansk are dubbed as 'against the constitution' which i find hilarious because the initial coup in maidan was the one which clearly stood against the ukrainian consitution. oh, and the whole bullshit thing about russia violating human rights in ukraine, it's so twisted by cnn. it is kiev who massacred protesters in odessa and mariupol, not russia. they are also silently kidnapping vocal activists which their whereabouts remain unknown to this day. the people here in donetsk have reached the point of no return. we have run out of patience for the kiev government. kiev doesnt want a united ukraine. kiev wants a country that is purely fascist, russiaphobic and bows to western rule. СЛАВА ДОНЕЦКАЯ РЕСПУБЛИКА!
IF you're using official terms, learn your stuff properly: they're AK74's not AK47's.
It might not play a big role concerning the big picture but someone who knows the difference might be left questioning other statements given and their level of detail as well...
So....not all guns they had were ak47, there were also a couple ak74, id appreciate if you would just use the term ak's.