@@robertrobert7924 Some English cop made a big deal about a screw driver in a car, tried to hem the driver up about it, in the end the Cop himself Put the screwdriver in the trunk," for safety." You joke about knitting needles...... Its closer than you might think. 🙄
Not zero. They increase the number of people that police can arrest. Every law is backed by the threat of lethal force at the hands of a police officer, and governments are only too happy to create more laws that can kill their citizens. Because governments are made up of evil people, and the police are no better.
The number of times by friends have questioned why I generally carry a pocket knife is crazy. It's also crazy that the same friends often ask me if I have a knife, because they need one! 😂
I second this hah I'm the same I carry a SAK everyday no matter where and it has come in so handy for various tasks, people think I'm crazy but they don't say that when they need it haha. Years ago our grandfathers used to carry a pocket knife all the time. A knife is such a versatile tool. Anything can be a weapon anyway not just a little pocket knife.
nah sod the knife I would rather have a custom 44 or a custom military m4a1 with a scope laser sight extra long clips slides silencer quieter bullets and stronger penetrating bullets ect lol
Let's not forget that having a "lock" mechanism on the blade makes a knife illegal. I mean it's obviously so much safer to have a non locking blade that can fold back onto your hand while using the knife...
@@rukinaa I can only imagine if they saw my spring assisted folding knife. The ability to open it one-handed? It's so convenient! It has to be illegal!! But the one thing we have in common here in Canada is the fact that the moment you carry something with the intent to use it as a defensive tool you're absolutely boned. The only two viable options apparently are victim and criminal. If you refuse to be a victim, you are clearly a criminal... I hate it here
@@theguyuluv2hate Now why would you need that kind of convenience and easy of use for such a lethal mass killing weapon that is a pocket knife unless you are a criminal? Come on now.. in all seriousness though, It’s kind of sad that nowadays it’s seen as a “crime” to want to defend yourself or at least be prepared to do so
I once forgot about the Swiss Army knife in my rucksack when going into City Hall in London for a meeting. I got called back by the security guard and it suddenly dawned on me that I’d forgotten to empty it out before leaving home. I said “Penknife?”, he nodded and I said “Sorry, I’m a 65 year old ex Boy Scout”. He was about the same age and just laughed.
I once did the same thing when I was a kid but at the airport... Bloke found it after he stabbed himself on my compass in the same bag. He explained to me how fortunate I was that it wasn't a locking blade so would not be arrested (though obviously they took the knife).
My how times have changed, I'm in my 53rd year now and in the distance past I can clearly remember about a 3rd of my fellow pupils at school carrying a pocket knife, at school and nobody stabbed anyone, I even remember teachers asking if anyone had a knife when they needed one, about a 3rd of the class would put up their arm, someone would lend the teacher a knife, the teacher would use it then hand it back.) I personally got my first Swiss Army knife from my Dad at the tender age of 13, I have carried one in my pocket or in a pouch on my belt practically every day ever since (even when flying, but since 2001 that is no longer possible, it now goes in my checked luggage). It just seems that the whole world has gone soft, the only reason lock knives are now illegal to carry is some judge decided to reinterpret the law, and ruled that lock knives weren't folding knives because of the lock (prior to that ruling lock knives with a blade of 3" or less WERE considered folding pocket knives). Personally I DO encourage any and everybody to legally carry anything they dam well please (that isn't specifically prohibited by law, or for a purpose that is prohibited by law), it's supposed to be a free country after all.
I would hazard a guess that the epidemic of knife crime in this country has something to do with new legislation. Personally, if it stops my children from being stabbed by these out of control youngsters I would crack down a lot harder. Some things matter more I'm afraid :)
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi I think you have totally missed the point, the laws DON'T work, the only people who follow them are the law abiding who aren't the problem, the lawless criminals just don't care about the law, if they did then they would follow the law that says it's illegal to stab people. A perfect example of just how ineffective these "knife laws" are, is the simple fact that since the laws have passed the number of people being stabbed has increased, the whole flawed concept that passing laws will just magically solve a far more complex problem, has in fact made the situation worse.
My girlfriend was once hanging out with me in London on her way to a Heathrow to fly for a camping holiday in Canada. She had her bag with her and we decided to go to the natural history museum. I had to check the bag in on entry and they found a locking Swiss army knife in there. They said you know this is illegal to carry, you could be arrested. I said it's my girlfriends bag, and they went "ah well, you'll be fine then." STUNNING sexism, but no complaints from me.
First my I thank you for a very interesting and great channel. As a guy fully employed and now 70 years of age I sometimes despair with the sad state of current thinking. I remember fondly the 60’s philosophy of playing out with friends and being told to be home before the street lights come on and my grandad, a war veteran and crafty old dog telling me from the age of 9 to always carry a shilling, yard of string and a penknife to be independent and look after myself in the bush. Whoo how thinks have gone down the tubes. Love the content and don’t loose sight of reality 👍👍
Yes, I had my first knife aged 7. Most of my mates did too. We didn't get stabby, it never crossed our minds. We carried them all the time. In class to sharpen pencils, cut string, paper. Outside we carved sticks, used them during fishing, making conkers etc. What a sad world we now have with third world levels of behaviour and third world style policing to go with it.
You can still carry a penknife no problem, as long as the blade is under 3 inches, and doesn't lock. Most old-school penknives don't have locking blades including Swiss Army knives so it's fine to carry them in public without any reason. But you're right society has gone down the tubes because those of us who carry them are the exception and most people are surprised that we carry them, and imagine that it's not permitted to do so.
@@cliveevrall1071 That's true, all of the larger (111mm and 130mm) models do however those blades are longer than 3 in. There are a few in the Delemont collection (also called Evo) made in the old Wenger factory which Victorinox took over, which have locking blades. However the majority of the small/medium SAKs don't have locking blades. They have the advantage of being sheeple friendly i.e. not intimidating or ''tactical'' looking so as not to alarm people who don't carry knives. Some UK legal knives like the Lansky World Legal and even the Manly Wasp which I have look a bit ''scary'' to non-knife people lol.
It's sort of sickly funny about the "locking" thing. If you have ever, as a kid, tried to stab someTHING with a Swiss Army knife, you will have learnt the hard way, it hurts you as much as the object you stabbed. I watched someone trying to drill through a bit of wood using the point of an unlocked blade. I did try and warn them, the refused to listen and... while they had their whole weight on the point, the blade folded. It did look like it smarted some, clean to the bone.
I bought a peasant knife from svord for that exact reason it’s non locking but you can hold it closed so it’s still safe. Comes very sharp and it’s cheap. Best Uk legal knife imo.
Yup, the absurdity of saying you can carry a knife as long as it's more dangerous to the user than it needs to be isn't lost, anymore than the only people who follow such rules aren't the stabby kind anyway.
I have done the same ,& also nipped across the road to a pie shop or chip ship ,still wearing a tool belt with an axe hanging from it . I even got asked by a copper if I had seen anyone running past me ,he wasn’t bothered about the axe nor the wrecking knife in my tool belt ..
That would be because@@maskedavenger2578 the copper could clearly see you were a superhero in the line of duty. The mask, cape and latex bodysuit is such a giveaway but it's so easy to forget you're wearing them - I should know!
Just a bit of idle information. In 1970 at the age of 10 I entered the top class in Junior school, boys in top class were allowed the privilege of bringing a folding pocket knife into school. We used them for sharpening pencils, cutting string, craft work and whittling wood. At the age of ten we were thought responsible enough to carry a knife with us, we all knew how to use them and the thought of using them as a weapon never entered our heads. One of our favorite pastimes during break was comparing our knives and the decorative handles.
I was asked by a young girl, maybe six, from the new age traveler community if I would lend her a knife I was using. I first glanced at her mother who nodded a 'yes'. As I handed my seriously sharp Opinel work-knife to the wee girl she asked me if, and how, it locked. She had been well taught - and then ran the blade against a fingernail to check how sharp it was, and the angle at which it would give the best cut.
Very easy to understand video, thank you for sharing. I carried a legal Swiss Army knife containing dozens of tools for decades but when I used it to cut one of my prescription tablets in half I was seen by a manager and got into trouble. It was documented onto my personal file. The annoying thing and something that I found unfair was that loads of staff members would eat their lunch at their desk and use metal knives. Some of the girls would bring in birthday cakes and fetch carving knives from home to cut them. This is an argument that I could not win.
It's a tool, they try to weaponise everything. I think you could win that absurd note on your file,or the black mark you gained. Sounds like PC "seen to do the seemingly right thing signalling."
Pencil can be used as an offensive weapon too... 2nd ammendment is what you need and that would change the perspective on pocket knives forever. Absolutely idiotic laws in UK...
I had a member of the public report me to the Police for having a hatchet (Small wood axe) on my person (I was in the Brecon Beacons for 7ish days). I explained to the Police that I was using it for wild camping and that it's not the weapon that's the problem, it's the person. The irony is that as a teenager I was trained to go into combat and did see combat, yet I can't be trusted to carry a "weapon" as a adult?! The further Irony was that I had to actively report several men actively out in the mountains shooting!!
It’s probably nigh on impossible to tell people which knives are illegal in public without explaining what is legal. That isn’t promoting the carrying of knives, it’s explaining the law.
Yes, if it takes a courtroom full of lawyers to decide if you had a reasonable excuse to carry an illegal knife how are we supposed to know? You're in trouble whatever you do.
Recently I came across an old photo of me and my brother on holiday around 1972 in Cornwall (Britain) I was about 10 years old. I was wearing a sheath knife on my belt in a leather sheath with about a 5 - 6 inch blade. It was completely normal for boys in Britain to carry knives at that time. Most of my mates carried at least a penknife. How else were you going to play "splits" :) (anyone remember that?)
Given the option I’d use a walking stick over a knife for defence any day. Let’s ban walking sticks,ban them,ban screwdrivers and hammers,ban everything!!
1: its ilegal to carry any itemxwith the intent to use ut for self defence lethal or none lethal this includes bats and canes 2: uk works under reasonable force resteictions so self defence must be reasonable force no more than needed 3: preemptivly carrying an item in self defence can be seen as intent to cause harm and get u on more trouble than you would normaly
Correct I carry a Swiss army knife with tools for my camera equipment etc. perfectly legal and very handy for lots of things that come up in everyday life.
I have carried a knife since 8 or 9 years old except when I was in the forces when I was otherwise equipped. I am now 61. I would never carry a non lockable, foldable knife as they are potentially dangerous to yourself.
if you carry a lockable knife you are carrying a fixed blade, its not classed as a foldable knife and you are breaking the law, you are totally correct Slipjoints aren't as safe to the user, but the law doesn't care. Ensure you have good reason or face the consequences if ever stopped and searched. Our knife law is a mess in this country.
@@roundtheloopandback I agree, knife laws in many countries don't actually make sense. At the end of the day, it's not the tool that's the problem, it's the criminal/human mind.
True. I spoke to someone on here who said he carried an Opinel (smaller than 3 inch blade) with the lock removed. That scared the hell out of me. I know very well how sharp they are.😬👍
@@steveclark.. My thought as well. Every country seems to have it's different laws. I am from Belgium btw and I just checked the law here (after being on this planet for 51 years I might learn something I thought). There are restrictions but all open for interpretation it seems except the obvious assault knives, but what might be an assault knife for one might be different for someone else. It's the same with the fact that you have to drive a safe appropriate speed in some conditions. It's strange that the law in the UK would be making you a criminal in case you defend yourself with a so called illegal knife in case you have been attacked. What if it was in your own house and you were standing in the kitchen full of 'illegal' knives?
Depends on the design as the guy said in a previous video the spyderco has the pivot further back giving a bit of a stop against your hand, but in practical use chances are if it were to close suddenly then even on that knife your hand would probably slip at least a little resulting in injury
How frustrating it is in this day and age, with those welded plastic things on a hell of a lot of purchases, you know those with the semi hard plastic and crimp welds around the entire packaging. Well how do you open these without a knife of sorts when people are in more danger from the packaging than the knife. I carry a tiny lock knife on my car keys with a bunch of other keys it is 8 cm long in total and the blade is 2.8 cm just over 1" and has a 45 degree squared off point, so I'm a criminal at 66 years of age fantastic!!!
The people saying "HURR UR PROMOTING KNIFES" are indoctrinated, sheltered morons. People commit crimes, not inanimate objects. A knife is a very useful tool to have on you generally for all kinds of reasons, and we are suppose to live in a country that belives in innocent until proven guilty. I honestly dispare at the general attitudes displayed by some members of the general public towards things like knifes, self defence and things like that.
Some people really have a crazy mentality when it comes to knives. I had a woman call the police on me (they were at the event anyway) for buying a knife at a country fair because apparently she thought I looked too young and wouldn't have any reasonable need for it.
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi Just a standard swiss army knife of a type that's legal to carry for general utility. I carry it on me everywhere (shock horror) and use it on a regular basis both in and out of work. A few time's in the past I've seen a coworkers eyes go wide when I pull it out to help them cut open a box or something and I always find it funny and explain to them what the law actually says rather than the idiotic anti-knife (and general anti-freedom) mantra that the media and government bodies put out.
Back in the 90s when I was in my teens, me and my friends used to go camping, sometimes with and sometimes without the landowners permission. We took whatever tools we needed to build our survival shelters, and build our camp fire. We stopped the practice of camping in said woods, when the landowner started taking the problem seriously, and asking us to leave in no uncertain terms.
I am well versed in sec 139, and have been tested as well, referred to cps, but I can't help but think the UK lacks common sense, I have to remove my box cutter locking knife while plying my trade as a multiskilled engineer...the law should attack and punish foul players and people who use such tools to cause harm on the basis of crime... While allowing decent people to carry useful tools, a Leatherman surge say should be a UK legal tool. The UK should give the law abiding citizens an advantage as a whole with regards to self defence in law ( how can anyone gauge actions say from a midnight burglary possibly armed as well?) its hard to justify your actions in the dark to weigh threat in a few seconds, to justify an unreasonable invasion of ones home, the greater good should always prevail, not what fancy talk you can give.
@Andrew Howe Technically you can carry a fixed blade knife or an axe, it it's for sporting or recreational purposes, for example camping. It should be up to the discretion of the police officer to use their common sense and apply the law appropriately. Unfortunately, now days the police only recruit university graduates, so they don't have the common sense they were born with.
I carry knives not for defence but rather I love having my collectible tools / toys with me. I love to open , close and just admire the beauty of the knife. Laws are as you said only useful to take away our G-d given freedoms. Useless in protecting us from someone bent on wrong doing. I’ve carried a knife for almost entire life. It’s high time to say no to the tyranny. Laws don’t make us safe, rather one’s own self discipline.
My constant "carry" is a 1940's Schrade twin folder made for the Knox woolen company,Camden,Maine. They were given as "gifts " to valued customers. I use it every day for just about everything
In New Zealand a store can sell an assisted opening knife, but it's illegal for you to buy it. Go figure. I believe that it's all down to intent. If the authorities can prove conclusively that you have a knife on you for assaultive purposes, then lay charges, otherwise leave people alone who use one as a handy tool
I agree, intent is key. Most items can cross between weapon and tool, the powers that be try to weaponise everything. If you say your hammer is to hit someone in defence, you're done, cooked. if it's to bang in nails, let them TRY to weaponise it.
I seems that any legal knife is only legal if you are VERY CAREFUL how you answer the ‘friendly and matey' policeman’s questions. He knows what casual questions to ask waayyy before asks those matey, friendly questions!
You don’t have to give any reason for carrying a legal non locking 3 inch or less bladed pocket folder . As long as it’s not in a prohibited areas like Schools ,court buildings & night clubs / pubs . You can carry any knife ,provided you have & can prove a bonafide reason for having it in your possession ,such as fishing ,camping or professional mobile chef .
@@maskedavenger2578 I have known cases where police have not known or ignored the law for carrying legal knives then saying they will charge the person unless they let their legal knife be confiscated... especially when the police person finds out the Spyderco legal knife is worth £100... most people don't want the arrest on their record even if they *probably* wouldn't lose in court... You are relying on police officers being aware of the laws, decent and unbiased which they have proven time and again is not the case for too many power happy officers
@@blujustin4175 I have Swiss Army knives ,that I have carried legally for the legal purpose intended for decades . I don’t care how power happy or how much snowflake the police officers mentality ,If I am innocent & not committing an offence ,I will take it all the way to court . I have done similar before when faced with over the top jobs worth officialdom as a matter of principle . You can only be kept on criminal record if you are proven a criminal or plead guilty in a court of law . Obviously you have to use a bit of common sense ,if you are flying ,using the underground or going out on the town drinking ,visiting official public buildings like courts or schools ,or cutting some string in the presence of snowflakes ,you use some discretion .
Can we all remember that to get to the stage of prosecution you have to be found in possession of the bladed article/offensive weapon and for that to happen you have to have been stopped and searched by a police officer, who has to have the grounds to stop and search you in the first place. Voluntary searches are no longer allowed so put all of this into context and you’ll realise that if you are sensible then you will not get in to trouble. The law is the law but equally it is not so black and white to be getting to the stage of standing trial. I’m a retired copper and now manage a farm where each and everyday I carry a knife of a locking variety. Be sensible, stay safe!
Also in New Zealand, where you can defend yourself as long as you don't use any object to do it or put up too much of a fight otherwise you are the one in trouble.
@@maxpower7774 It's always easier for the police if you just die. Less paperwork. God forbid they should have to figure out which of you was in the wrong.
A lot of US states are the same way, "if for the purpose to go armed". Thank goodness constitutional carry, in Tennessee now. I've been carrying at least 1, usually 3 knives since I was about 8 yrs old as we were always out in the woods.
The thumbnail to this video shows an Opinel pocket knife. They're great favourites in France and I have several, in various sizes. Sadly, they must be illegal to carry 'on the street' as the blade does lock; open or closed. This is actually a safety feature as it prevents the blade closing on your fingers! Time was when every schoolboy (seemingly) had a pocket knife.... in his pocket and, when in uniform, scouts would carry a sheath knife on their belt. But, times change and it's best to take away any 'excuses' for carrying a lethal blade.
Many thanks for your, rather sensible, views on UK knife law. As one of the "design team" for the last knife shown I am happy to see it shown for exactly what it was designed as, a UK legal knife. As an aside, the laws in Denmark (iirc) state non-one handed opening, so the hole was made very much smaller for the Danish version.
You were on the design team for UKPK? That’s awesome. It’s certainly my favourite knife for EDC but I’m never sure if officers would take it regardless if they found it.
Well, if a knife is an offensive weapon, I guess I'll just carry a shield, a defensive weapon. (Disclaimer: I carry neither because I don't have any and I also don't go out of my house)
I wouldn't carry a knife about anywhere. But sadly, I did have to explain to a police constable, that they would be completely safe from stabbing from me. As I walk with two walking sticks, it would be impossible for me to stab anyone, as my hands were already in use and if I let go of one of the sticks I would fall over! Shame they didn't think of that all... on their own.
I was once stopped and searched a few years ago, I had my Swiss army knife but also a 1 inch key ring knife which did actually a locking mechanism on. I never realised it was illegal, I mean it was a keyring for God sake and was actually arrested for it. Luckily they saw my point of view in the end and released me with out charge. They converscated the key ring but gave me back my Swiss army knife which was probs 3 times the size lol
They probably arrested you for a bladed or sharply pointed article. That always calls for common sense from the officers, this does not always happen due to all circumstances considered in their uniqueness. I have arrested people for the same things who were using them for criminal.purposes. I have also stopped what I term as normal people who have one on them. If they gave me a shocked response on the subject I usually believed them. Yet, always with background checks to ensure they were not habitual carriers of weapons, or had any intelligence on them having threatened or having threats against them. A 5 minute check usually sorts that out. However, since common sense policing and independent thought, along with individuals discretion was taken away from us under Blair the only action that the cops are allowed to make are in my opinion demonstrating clear political :favour and fear". Two things we swore not to do "act without fear or favour". Yet, I'm my humble opinion the reason for the public hate or mistrust in coppers is down to this. We used to be able to deal with things by using discretion and common sense. Now its about arrest statistics but they never admit that. It is why I lost hope in the police. Now it's just a political football kicked about due to political parties having sway over policing.
The foldy knife was legal to carry , the small 1" keyring wasn't because it locked out, even a 1" blade could puncture or slash,,they couldn't justify an intent to harm with the foldy knife ,so couldn't seize it legally, the smaller one ,again, probably no intent to use to harm, but letter of the law ----- , it was seized.
@@All-Father-Odin-967 Wise words from a genuine decent bloke I feel. The last two years have proved that all our so called trusted organisations are full of corrupted people, until this changes, I fear for the future.
@@steveclark.. Hi Steve, The fact, the police now have to pay for a 3 year degree in brainwashing before joining is unbelievable. The university education system is predominantly left, or ultra left wing. The dangers faced by Blairs marxist insurrection with Common Purpose is real, they are now leading most UK police forces. They have perverted the way we policed. Before we would question if an order was lawful and say "no" to whoever asked us to do it. Now they are so scared to say anything they blindly do it. The job is fucked. There is a vexatious question of where do we now go? Canada is sliding into anarchy and we will follow. It was all planned long before. The UN take over is now in full.effect, one world government is about to kill us all.
Madness. I've carried a pocket knife since I was 7yrs old, most kids of my generation did. We didn't get all stabby, it's not NATIVE British culture. A few years back I was at Portsmouth docks to take a ferry. A guy reeled off a list of banned items.....bombs, explosives, gun, shotgun..blah blah. Yes I just said no, wasn't paying great attention because I'm not a terrorist. But he'd mentioned knives and got very excited when he spotted my small pocket knife clipped to my jeans. He confiscated it. I called a policeman over, he said if it were up to him I'd keep it but not his call. Then I asked the guy if he'd mentioned axes. He said no. I showed him an axe I had in the car for camping. As I'd told him I could keep it !!! So I can't take a pocket knife on board but I can take an axe. P.S. the on board shop sold pocket knives 😂
I remember when there was a legal gunsmith in my local city. In the NW of England. Now you can't do anything hardly not even use the two legal weapons you carry around with you all the time, namely your fists. In the right way. The UK is gradually being dumbed down and softened up. It will resemble one huge nursery / kindergarten very soon
@@readmycomment3157 I bet that you don't believe in the Great Reset or can see where the world is heading either? Totally disarming the citizens of countries around the world has been going on for years now.
I’m an American and a knife collector. We don’t have quite as many restrictions on what we can carry but I still find myself carrying the Spyderco UKPK (the knife shown in the video with a thumb hole) regularly. It’s light, super useful for normal light duty cutting tasks like opening mail or food prep, and very inoffensive for those afraid of knives. It’s the perfect office knife. Side note, it blows my mind that the UK counts a box cutter as a knife at all. Knife laws can get really weird.
I got stopped at a railway station carrying my work tool bag. Upon inspection the copper found a no7 opinel in the bottom of the bag. His joy was off the scale, he promptly arrested means took me to the nick full of it. In the nick an older copper took an interest in the interview. I said nothing except that I was going to work and it was an essential tool. After over an hour of pointless interrogation I finally broke and said. ' I am sixty years old, and have carried a knife my whole life, to date I have never stabbed anyone but you sir are really beginning to piss me off right now!'. To which he kept from his chair facing me and kept out the way. Thankfully the old cop started laughing and said I'm releasing him now, I've seen enough. The young rookie said he threatened me but was told to shut up and tear all the paperwork up because there was never a case as I was going to work. To show no hard feelings I gifted the knife to the younger copper explaining it utility across the board, at first he refused but was instructed to take the gift by his superior and give me a lift to work. I think I was lucky but as stated I have carried knives since a nipper and never stabbed anyone. Btw I have been stabbed twice back in the 70's and suffer from one injury incurred to this day.
If you're carrying to use as a weapon (even if you consider it defencive) it is per se a (offensive) weapon. If you happen to have it with you and end up using it in defence that's (in theory, with caveats etc) ok.
@@mikeymike1001 the bar of the "clip" goes on top of the cap, and there's a corresponding prong that hooks beneath. There's also an actual keyring attachment on the Gerber.
@@mikeymike1001 For bottle caps that have been pressed on (and thus you see the 'wavy' edge)... All that's needed is for the tool to get purchase under a single part of the cap, and it will come off. Doesn't matter how big the cap is.
I'm confused. I thought knives which could be opened with one hand - whether locking or not - were banned. The Spyderco knife would clearly fall under this heading.
From the U.S.---I have carried a pocket knife of some sort since I was a Cub Scout and received my Scout knife. That was over 60 years ago, and I have never misused a knife.
Bonus info, the Opinel knife in the thumbnail is not UK legal as it has a locking ring that prevents closure, although the locking ring can be removed making it legal to carry.
As I understand, our knife laws mainly revolve around 'possession in a public place'. Yet when you see the Police on TV raid/search a house they virtually pull from that premises anything they consider to be an offensive weapon. Things that would be illegal to have in a public place or use in a threatening manner, but are legal to own. For example air-guns, machetes, swords etc. Do these items become offensive due to the warrant or something? Or the fact an unrelated crime is being committed?
The only lawful basis for taking items as described would be if there was an allegation that similar items had been used by the suspect to commit a crime elsewhere,eg, they are accused of stabbing someone. If the item is legal to own but not to carry in a public place, no offence is committed by possessing them in your own home, the police know this perfectly well but are stat padding when they take them, usually on the basis of "well we didn't find any drugs but look at what we did find" , only to have to return them later.
If it's a police raid on a house it'll usually be for drugs or violence offences. The police will remove the weapons (a) for their own safety, (b) in order to perhaps 'match' them to any offences - as part of the investigation, and (c) to establish ownership. The person who's house was being raided can apply to have the items returned, but it can take a long time and the police and prosecution will generally make this very difficult to achieve - they don't want to return weapons to people possibly involved in criminality if they can help it. If the homeowner is not charged with anything, or later found not guilty of anything it might still prove to be very difficult to see items returned, even if they can show that they had good reason to possess such items. The type of weapon will have a bearing too - air rifles are seen as public nuisance weapons, and you won't see them returned unless you are in a shooting club or you hunt small game, and can prove that you do so. Similarly you won't see a machete or 'zombie killer' knife returned. If it's a quality hunting knife, pocket knife, military memorabilia or an heirloom that could make a difference. Circumstances are hugely important and the police will make judgement calls. Of course there are certain weapons that are simply illegal without an appropriate license - good luck getting a shotgun back without a current license. Finally, the homeowner's lawyer might advise them to just drop it - there's nothing to be gained by antagonising the police, and demanding the return of certain items will just put a big target on your back. The police might even say, "we are currently running a knife or air rifle amnesty - would you like us to destroy these items for you?" It's a semi rhetorical question - the correct response is "yes thanks".
Swords are outlawed in this country now unless you have a good reason or they are antiques or constructed in a traditional way. Yes illegal to own, even in your own house!
As a retired police officer it is obvious that you are passing pure legal comment of the topics. Not recommending to carry, harm, any person or to cause damage. You probably give the best information on the clear explanation of legal subjects I have enjoyed outside of the classroom.
I carry my multi tool either for the allotment or walking my dog, my friends dog got caught in barbed wire once (were we live it’s all farmers fields and fences for miles around) and they had to just “un tangle her” the dog lost an eye from it. It was horrendous and if they were able to cut the wire the whole ordeal would have been less traumatic for all involved. The multi tool has a good set of pliers on it in turn having a good set of wire cutters more than capable of cutting through thick fence wire…
@@TitianTopsyTurvy No... No... It doesn't. You are manipulating the conversation in a Very pernicious way. How so? I hear you say. Most of those multitools have a blade that locks.
@@johnrhodes3350 Yeah that's the problem, I can count the half-decent multitools (which would actually cut thru fencing wire) but which don't have locking blades, on the fingers of one hand. Don't get too peeved at Titian, he/she probably doesn't know this.
That 'clip' on the dime is a bottle cap opener. I've had the dime for years, it's my edc, it fits in that unless tiny jeans pocket. It's been soo useful, away from home..I've fixed door hinges, removed splinters, opened packages (it has a dedicated package opener so you don't blunt the blade) removed tags, used it as a pry bar, a bottle opener, cut string, stripped wire and cut wire, I even took apart a whole couch and cut off the leather material so it could fit in my mother in laws car to take to the dump. My wife even says oh have you got that tool on you? Yep! It's not scary to others when you take it out, even the blade is rounded and is tiny, but capable of everything you'll need it for in an everyday situation. No court will look at it and say "yep that's lethal" What I wouldn't find useful everyday is just a knife and I reckon it's harder to justify a stand alone knife as an urban edc than it would be a small "do it all" tool. For work I have a leatherman as again it's more capable in a work scenario's than just a knife. When I go fishing or camping I take a mora fixed blade and it stays in my pack until I'm on site. Last thing I'd want is a folder closing up when making kindling. So for me it's multi tool edc or fixed blade camping.
I think you should make the point that, if questioned by police as to why you're carrying a uk-legal knife, the correct answer is "I don't have to provide a reason", as under stress someone might be led into saying it's for self defense
I live in Texas. Everyone carries a knife of some kind. It’s interesting to see the restrictions in other countries. We can carry just about anything other than a stiletto. We can even carry a switchblade if we want.
You can even carry a stiletto in Texas you can carry any bladed tool. I was walking through my Town square just the other day with a katana on my left hip and stiletto style dagger on my right hip.
@@bobbyhempel1513 you are correct. I guess I’m not all the way up to date on the law changes. I know after the law change in 2013 stilettos we’re still illegal under HB 46.01(6)(C). I wasn’t aware that it had since been updated. Thank you for the info. I learned something today.
A knife has been the most basic tool since time immemorial. It is a tool everybody uses at the table every day. It is the folk who carry knives or any other objects (hammers, screwdrivers etc) as a means of causing injury who are the problem. As kids in the 50's we had pen knives at school and I do not remember one single case of misuse. It is the lack of parental control and restrictions on being able to apply appropriate discipline in schools that is the problem.
Would you be able to expand on when the law considers you to be “carrying” the knife? Presumably in a tool box in the boot of your car is OK but what about a tool kit in a pouch on your bike etc?
If it's anything other than a sub 3" non locking blade you can't even keep it in your car (tool box) or anywhere else. Unless you have a good reason. If it is sub 3 inches you can keep it anywhere you feel you need it. Car, office desk, bike pouch etc
@@jamesnoller7895 This is the best way to think of it. Sub 3" and non-locking for every day carry, to use for any tasks that may arise during your day (other than self-defense). Anything that locks or is greater than 3" in length you will need to have a good reason to have about your person or in your vehicle. Basically anywhere outside of a secure building such as your house, place of work, or storage unit. On the subject of self defense, carrying any article for such a purpose will make it an offensive weapon, whether it is bladed or not.
@@du1987de Which is stupid, when you consider the definition of a public. Are they saying the inside of your car, is a place to which the public have a general right of access?
@@BedsitBob Hi Bob, no but they are say that the knife in your car is in your‘possession’ and the car is in a public place. Even if the car is in a work car park etc, if the public can access it, it is public.
I don’t think you mention Opinel knives, though there’s one in the poster frame for this video. Even though they’re pretty inoffensive to look at, and some (the one I have, for example) have a blade of less than three inches in length, they do lock, and so they don’t fall within the UK legal bracket.
I have an allotment and regularly walk around with a knife in my pocket. A knife is essential for a lot of allotment work such as cutting string for guiding growing vegetables. Being a bearded, overweight, bald 52 year-old I rely on my looks not to be stopped and searched as well as the fact that there aren't any bloody bobbies on the beat any more as they are busy looking for people who post hurty words of Facebook.
I was one of those who commented - negatively - on your last foray into the absurdities of UK knife law and, while this video makes more sense than the last, it's unfortunate that the camera rendered half of it opaque. One point I appreciated was mirroring the language of the CJA 1988: _139 - Offence of having article with blade or point in public place._ _(1)Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence._ _(2)Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife._ _(3)This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches._ Whereas the UK government's website puts it thus: _It’s illegal to [...] carry any knife in public without good reason, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long._ Apparently the government doesn't understand the law either, and I'm grateful to learn that a 3 inch blade is actually lawful to carry without having to simper if the police find it on you.
I own a few uk legal pocket knives ( section 139 compliant ) that i use for work and I've had people assume its completely illegal and some due to the size of my hands are sketchy when on the one off times they have folded during a cutting task and I'd never even comprehend using them for self defense or anything similar because its ridiculous to use a tool as a weapon which some people believe all knives are
This is helpful because sometimes I go out with my work stanly knife in my pocket still wearing the same trousers. Didn't know about the lockable part, wont be doing that anymore
What would be the legality of something like the Leatherman Kick? The blade length is legal, and it is non locking. However, the blade is on the inside portion where you would have to open up to the pliers then unfold the blade then close the handles. It does not lock the blade in place but you would have to open it up to close it fully.
I always have a victorinox SD on me, yesterday I found a man collapsed in street, in the storm, an ambulance was called which arrived two hours later. I got an industrial type Rubbish bag out of a commercial bin, used my pocket knife to cut into a plastic sheet/blanket to protect him from rain. It may of helped save his life.
Good choices, I have a Benchmade proper with a sheepsfoot blade, I would argue that it is the safest option as it meets the criteria and has a no point blade.
I'm 74 and having lived and worked all my life in the countryside, I have carried a knife for as long as I can remember, as well as string or cord, and would be lost with out them
You use your car for work and leave toolbag in the boot to stop your children playing with sharp tools. Traffic stop on a Saturday night and you then have to explain the "weapons " that are in your car. The motorist, the gift that keeps on giving.
I've heard of women being advised to use their keys between their fingers if they feel in dangers such as someone following them home in case they get attacked, suppose that'd could as an offensive weapon at that point.
One woman was arrested and even went to court over it. The defendant's lawyer claimed that her holding the keys between her fingers made it premeditated. I don't think she was found guilty, but it shows how fucked up our police are, that they even arrested her in the first place.
So in other words there are certain implements that are legal to carry, but you still have to have a justifiable reason for carrying them in public = explained in 5 secs !
At the start of the video you had a picture of a opinel knife. But I didn’t see you talk about it. Would this type of knife come under the act? It does not lock automatically, and is freely foldable, but it does have a slide that you can manually rotate to lock it.
I can carry any knife I like as a member of the medical profession,offensive or not. Police never said anything to me,they called a switchblade a lock knife and let me off. The more priveleged you are,the less likely they are to look down on you as a hooligan who carries or possesses knives for the sake of it.
It's still very vague because it depends on a presumed intent to harm for the purposes of a prosecution when surely the character of a person would indicate whether harmful intent was there or not. All vague and basically law enforcement want everyone to be completely paranoid about having anything sharp on them at all.
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi I don't think it's that - all these laws pre-date the "epidemics" other than the OWA 2019 which really only added details to the types of forbidden weapons (in a fairly non-sensical manner, I have to say - a replica japanese katana is forbidden, but a replica medieval arming sword is not; guess which one is potentially lethal? Both are).
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi I don't dispute that, and I'm worried about what my 2 can be met with too; I'm just pointing out that the key legislation in this area goes back to 1959 and 1988 respectively, so there is no relationship to the rise in stabbings that unfortunately has happened in the last 10 years or so.
As narrow boater we have to possess a knife and even side cutters in case we get a fouled propeller. I count my Swiss army knife and lock knife as tools. I am now worried I possess a lock knife. But it is more ridged for cutting away rope sleeping bags etc you wouldn't believe what else...
This is good info I did not know about the locking part I knew it was under 3” I removed the black on my. Multi tool as I keep it in the car and did not want the hassle when I was 17 I was pulled over for driving early in the morning when they found nothing they got me for a stanly knife in the drivers door card, I was a night warehouse picker but I was still charged if I knew the law back then I would have stood up for myself but I was completely bullied by them.
What about Opiniel folding knives that have the rotating collar that can lock the blade open if you wish, however, it does not lock open automatically?
I collect pocket knives, the time and effort that goes into some of them is impressive. They can be very "beautiful" in their own way. Or look tactical if thats what you prefer. This is a tool that our kind has carried with us in some form, since we figured out we could sharpen a rock. I may seem dramatic to some, but to deny citizens free use, and access to knives, regardless of your reasoning, is a violation of their rights. Everywhere is different, I get that, but I will never agree with banning them. Things like this are part of our history. The essential items that ensured we made it to where we are now. All of us, not just one group... To deny people something like that, or to be so strict about it that people can only have one type of knife, its ludicrous...
I've never had an issue with an swiss army knife being attached to my keyring and when folks see it nary a brow is ever raised by it's presence. Multitools and locking folders are generally okay in Canada, however like you said in the video, one never brings them to concerts and other places where security is a factor unless you want it to be confiscated. The funny thing is that the most common knife type used by criminals is the el cheapo, but intimidating looking chef style found in every domestic and professional kitchen.
Thank God I live in the USA. So even in the worst criminal friendly state of Maryland it's still legal to carry a locking folder for the purpose of self defense.
The UK certainly has some messed up laws around knives. While laws do differ between states and localities here in the US, they usually center around concealed carry or restricting specific types of knives that have gotten a bad rap (ex. switchblades). Generally, though, as long as a knife is less then 4 inches, clipped to your pocket, or in a sheath you're not going to have any problems carrying it anywhere other than an airport or courthouse.... unless you actually stab someone with it. I always have a knife on me cause you never know when one will come in handy and I've never had a problem.
I thought the act also prevented carrying a knife that can be opened one handed. Or is that not the case? Offensive Weapons Act Section 19 redefines a 'flick knife'. The previous definition had a button on the handle to release the blade, the new one includes a button or device anywhere - so it could include a diving knife that has a button to release it from the sheath, or a folding knife with a stud on the blade to allow one-handed opening. It also makes possession of one illegal, whereas previously it was only illegal to sell them or pass them to others - so if you had one, you could legal keep it.
I think we need a more nuanced set of legislation to cover the carrying of knives. There is no differentiation between what I, an over 40 engineer, can carry and that which a 11 year old can carry. I dare say my years of never hurting another person nor having the desire to ever do so should afford me a level of responsibility and the comfort of a knife with a safety feature for daily use (locking). My suggestion for reasonable knife laws would be: Under 18s’: Legislation as it stands. Over 18s’, with relevant criminal record: Legislation as it stands. Over 18s’, no relevant criminal record: Sub 3in locking knife to be allowed, no specific reason required. Knives above 3in, good reason required as with current legislation.
The fact of the matter is that mortified criminals carry now are illegal anyway, cheap kitchen knives, flashy machetes and large "hunting" style knives and probably the occasional locking knife that they ordered off ali express, the day I hear of criminals actively carrying a Swiss army knife to cause harm to people I'll humbly eat my words but in the meantime I know people that carry knives they technically should have good reason for and probably don't, but I also know they're not likely to go harming someone, probably less so than someone without a knife since they know getting caught even if the knife isn't used could trump up their charges
@@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming I don’t disagree…..but I’m also a realist and think my suggestions are a reasonable compromise that achieve the same perceived reduction in likelihood of violent knife crimes being perpetrated while allowing sensible, generally law abiding people to have safe tools for general tasks. Ideally I’d be allowed to have any one of my CRKs’ on me without good reason, but (and I don’t like it) there is no way that would ever be publicly acceptable and so no MP would ever back it, regardless of evidence. But it also needs people to write sensible, realistic and non-reactionary emails to MPs. Which I try to do. People need to make their opinions known, they need to calmly educate and correct misconceptions otherwise nothing will change.
As someone who lives in a rural area my local police will often overlook a knife even locking or fixed blades because they are useful tools, however if you act shady or have a history of violence then they will have something to say. Heck one of my local officers joke about about searching me would be too much paperwork because I used to teach bushcraft classes so would often be carrying enough weapons to equip a small army while going to of from work. One new officer made that mistake once until he radioed his sergeant and was "oh you're fine... Want a lift home?"
I have a Swiss army knife which is UK legal carry as blades are below 3 inchs and non locking. Even then I won't take it to the pub. Do I think the UK knives are pretty? Yes however the lack of responsibility by many has led us down this path
Really appreciate the outdoor and bushcraft content. A subject that usually comes up around the fire is river access law for Canoeing and kayaking. A river access video would be so good!
"why am I promoting knives" OH DEAR, someone watched your vid and concluded you were promoting knives. We are lost. Thank you for your continued insight though all the best.
You should make it clear that you are referring to UK law please. I live in Saskatchewan, Canada where the situation is different but pragmatic. If you are returning from a hunting trip with a 10" fixed blade on your hip then that is OK but if you have a 10" screwdriver in your inside suit pocket when going to the office, that is not OK. So it's not about the device specifically but the circumstances. Spring assisted knives (flick and stiletto are illegal)
as someone who does carry both a UK legal multi tool, and UK legal swiss army knife on their person MOST OF THE TIME. I would strongly recommend not purchasing the Gerber dime. Both myself and a co-worker purchase3d one... they both literally fell apart after about 3 weeks of use.
A couple of questions have arisen. A legal for the purpose of the act pocket knife may have a blade that is upto 3" long. Does that A) mean 3" or less.or less than 3" B)? does this measurement only refer to the cutting edge of the blade or the whole of the blade.. ....if the latter where is that measurement taken from? the hinge or the hilt once its opened? I don't wish to seem pedantic but that is exactly what the law is.
Can you carry a butterfly knife TRAINER that has NO CUTTING EDGE and cannot be sharpened as they have holes drilled all along the ‘blade’ ? What about a butterfly knife that has a BOTTLE OPENER on the end of it and no cutting edge anywhere?
My knife is a tool and has never been a weapon. It's the oldest tool known to man (something with a cutting edge that is). People decide when an object becomes a weapon. A pencil or pillowcase can be a weapon in the wrong hands. Anyone wanting to carry for the sake of self defence or to cause harm won't care what the law says. Also, in my opinion, a non locking foldable knife is just an expensive paperweight that you shouldn't waste your time with.
Can you please cover the leatherman bond multitool. Many sites including leatherman official list it as UK legal as it's non locking, and 2.9". However due to the way it folds, you need to open the handles to close the knife. Does this make it immediately foldable or not? Many multitools have this design for safety so the knife won't close on your fingers accidentally. I think there is a lot of confusion on the legality of these types of multitool. Cheers.
He won't be able to give you a definite answer, for the simple reason that there are so many different versions of multitools, even from the same manufacturer. I've got a Leatherman and on the model I've got all the blades are on the outside and can be folded at any time without having to open the handle. Others models might have locking mechanisms, yet others might have the knife on the inside and can only be closed by opening the handle (which almost certainly makes it not fall under the exemption as in effect the blade is locked). Given that he can not give you specific guidance on a specific case/item but only generic guidance I suggest you take your knife, pour yourself a drink, look up the law, think about the various points he has explained and then try to understand the purpose of the law and what that means for your specific knife.
In my experience I hate knives that use the handle like that because I had a multi tool with a screwdriver that deployed the same way, any forward pressure it would try to fold, can't imagine using that for any heavy work, in essence though it relies on your grip to stay closed so I'd day it's not-locking thinking logically
I queried the Leatherman Bond with a reputable dealer, who queried their wholesalers: the knife, and Tools blades used in the manufacturer are machined with a simple lock notch. However, the handle does not engage the lock so - not a locking knife. My query came about because, being brand new, and rather stiff, when I noticed the notch, I immediately assumed it was locking. This was not the case. By the strict definition of the law it is a legal every day carry, but, as so often, the law is more than vague, with some variable interpretations available to be drawn; don't forget the classic Catch 22: it's not for you to determine a lawful reason, or purpose, to carry, it's up to a court; of necessity requiring arrest, even, potentially, brief imprisonment in a Police Cell, and trial, before any such ruling. It's arguable that the definition is so vaguely worded that one courts ruling wouldn't prove a legal precedent, and the whole farce would have to be repeated time, and time again! PS in my work as a specialist hospital medical equipment engineer I carried two Leathermans (one a vice grip) and used them daily. When travelling to, and from, my work; they were cased, and kept in a locked tool bag. Incidently: my father was a long serving Policeman in Dundee City, and Angus Constabularies 1951 - '73, he used his truncheon in anger once... there was a knife involved!
Knife laws have ZERO effect on criminal activity.
Greetings from across the pond. Next there will be laws against sewing and knitting needles.
They do, there were up to 16000/year recorded knife offences in London, those are in direct relation with knife laws.
@@robertrobert7924 Some English cop made a big deal about a screw driver in a car, tried to hem the driver up about it, in the end the Cop himself Put the screwdriver in the trunk," for safety."
You joke about knitting needles...... Its closer than you might think. 🙄
@@ianhill4585 I was not joking. Your government is as stupid as my government.
Not zero. They increase the number of people that police can arrest.
Every law is backed by the threat of lethal force at the hands of a police officer, and governments are only too happy to create more laws that can kill their citizens.
Because governments are made up of evil people, and the police are no better.
The number of times by friends have questioned why I generally carry a pocket knife is crazy. It's also crazy that the same friends often ask me if I have a knife, because they need one! 😂
I second this hah I'm the same I carry a SAK everyday no matter where and it has come in so handy for various tasks, people think I'm crazy but they don't say that when they need it haha. Years ago our grandfathers used to carry a pocket knife all the time. A knife is such a versatile tool. Anything can be a weapon anyway not just a little pocket knife.
nah sod the knife I would rather have a custom 44 or a custom military m4a1 with a scope laser sight extra long clips slides silencer quieter bullets and stronger penetrating bullets ect lol
like Whitman style lol
hitman style
@@johngardner529 Perfect for opening packages and whittling wood from a distance.
These laws are beyond nuts. Imagine having to provide a reason to carry a simple hand tool. Since that's what a knife is.
Let's not forget that having a "lock" mechanism on the blade makes a knife illegal. I mean it's obviously so much safer to have a non locking blade that can fold back onto your hand while using the knife...
@@rukinaa I can only imagine if they saw my spring assisted folding knife. The ability to open it one-handed? It's so convenient! It has to be illegal!! But the one thing we have in common here in Canada is the fact that the moment you carry something with the intent to use it as a defensive tool you're absolutely boned. The only two viable options apparently are victim and criminal. If you refuse to be a victim, you are clearly a criminal... I hate it here
@@theguyuluv2hate Now why would you need that kind of convenience and easy of use for such a lethal mass killing weapon that is a pocket knife unless you are a criminal? Come on now.. in all seriousness though, It’s kind of sad that nowadays it’s seen as a “crime” to want to defend yourself or at least be prepared to do so
@@rukinaa I couldn't agree more.
reckon they'd nick you for a sharp stone?
I once forgot about the Swiss Army knife in my rucksack when going into City Hall in London for a meeting. I got called back by the security guard and it suddenly dawned on me that I’d forgotten to empty it out before leaving home. I said “Penknife?”, he nodded and I said “Sorry, I’m a 65 year old ex Boy Scout”. He was about the same age and just laughed.
I once did the same thing when I was a kid but at the airport... Bloke found it after he stabbed himself on my compass in the same bag. He explained to me how fortunate I was that it wasn't a locking blade so would not be arrested (though obviously they took the knife).
My how times have changed, I'm in my 53rd year now and in the distance past I can clearly remember about a 3rd of my fellow pupils at school carrying a pocket knife, at school and nobody stabbed anyone, I even remember teachers asking if anyone had a knife when they needed one, about a 3rd of the class would put up their arm, someone would lend the teacher a knife, the teacher would use it then hand it back.) I personally got my first Swiss Army knife from my Dad at the tender age of 13, I have carried one in my pocket or in a pouch on my belt practically every day ever since (even when flying, but since 2001 that is no longer possible, it now goes in my checked luggage).
It just seems that the whole world has gone soft, the only reason lock knives are now illegal to carry is some judge decided to reinterpret the law, and ruled that lock knives weren't folding knives because of the lock (prior to that ruling lock knives with a blade of 3" or less WERE considered folding pocket knives).
Personally I DO encourage any and everybody to legally carry anything they dam well please (that isn't specifically prohibited by law, or for a purpose that is prohibited by law), it's supposed to be a free country after all.
I would hazard a guess that the epidemic of knife crime in this country has something to do with new legislation. Personally, if it stops my children from being stabbed by these out of control youngsters I would crack down a lot harder. Some things matter more I'm afraid :)
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi I think you have totally missed the point, the laws DON'T work, the only people who follow them are the law abiding who aren't the problem, the lawless criminals just don't care about the law, if they did then they would follow the law that says it's illegal to stab people. A perfect example of just how ineffective these "knife laws" are, is the simple fact that since the laws have passed the number of people being stabbed has increased, the whole flawed concept that passing laws will just magically solve a far more complex problem, has in fact made the situation worse.
Only a third?
@@BedsitBob The rest had real knives.
@Tom Foster Stretch?
My girlfriend was once hanging out with me in London on her way to a Heathrow to fly for a camping holiday in Canada. She had her bag with her and we decided to go to the natural history museum. I had to check the bag in on entry and they found a locking Swiss army knife in there. They said you know this is illegal to carry, you could be arrested. I said it's my girlfriends bag, and they went "ah well, you'll be fine then." STUNNING sexism, but no complaints from me.
First my I thank you for a very interesting and great channel. As a guy fully employed and now 70 years of age I sometimes despair with the sad state of current thinking. I remember fondly the 60’s philosophy of playing out with friends and being told to be home before the street lights come on and my grandad, a war veteran and crafty old dog telling me from the age of 9 to always carry a shilling, yard of string and a penknife to be independent and look after myself in the bush. Whoo how thinks have gone down the tubes.
Love the content and don’t loose sight of reality 👍👍
Yes, I had my first knife aged 7. Most of my mates did too. We didn't get stabby, it never crossed our minds. We carried them all the time. In class to sharpen pencils, cut string, paper. Outside we carved sticks, used them during fishing, making conkers etc.
What a sad world we now have with third world levels of behaviour and third world style policing to go with it.
You can still carry a penknife no problem, as long as the blade is under 3 inches, and doesn't lock. Most old-school penknives don't have locking blades including Swiss Army knives so it's fine to carry them in public without any reason. But you're right society has gone down the tubes because those of us who carry them are the exception and most people are surprised that we carry them, and imagine that it's not permitted to do so.
At least one type of Swiss army penknife has a lockable blade.
@@cliveevrall1071 That's true, all of the larger (111mm and 130mm) models do however those blades are longer than 3 in. There are a few in the Delemont collection (also called Evo) made in the old Wenger factory which Victorinox took over, which have locking blades. However the majority of the small/medium SAKs don't have locking blades. They have the advantage of being sheeple friendly i.e. not intimidating or ''tactical'' looking so as not to alarm people who don't carry knives. Some UK legal knives like the Lansky World Legal and even the Manly Wasp which I have look a bit ''scary'' to non-knife people lol.
@Simon H people that use "sheeple" are generally "scunts" .
It's sort of sickly funny about the "locking" thing. If you have ever, as a kid, tried to stab someTHING with a Swiss Army knife, you will have learnt the hard way, it hurts you as much as the object you stabbed. I watched someone trying to drill through a bit of wood using the point of an unlocked blade. I did try and warn them, the refused to listen and... while they had their whole weight on the point, the blade folded. It did look like it smarted some, clean to the bone.
I bought a peasant knife from svord for that exact reason it’s non locking but you can hold it closed so it’s still safe. Comes very sharp and it’s cheap. Best Uk legal knife imo.
@@spikedmo great knife
Yup, the absurdity of saying you can carry a knife as long as it's more dangerous to the user than it needs to be isn't lost, anymore than the only people who follow such rules aren't the stabby kind anyway.
I was cringing the entire time I read that
Like the politicians in the West sanctioning Russia but hurting themselves more.
As a builder. Many times I've gone to the pub after work and not even realize my Stanley knife was in my pocket. 😳
Me to my only defence would be that the pointy end is blunt as a badgers bum from me dragging it across concrete while cutting lagging
I have done the same ,& also nipped across the road to a pie shop or chip ship ,still wearing a tool belt with an axe hanging from it . I even got asked by a copper if I had seen anyone running past me ,he wasn’t bothered about the axe nor the wrecking knife in my tool belt ..
That would be because@@maskedavenger2578 the copper could clearly see you were a superhero in the line of duty. The mask, cape and latex bodysuit is such a giveaway but it's so easy to forget you're wearing them - I should know!
@@-Pol- You could be right when I think back to some of the construction jobs I took on ,I must of been some kind of a superhero .
Me too knives are not dangerous its the psycho that wants to inflict harm
Just a bit of idle information.
In 1970 at the age of 10 I entered the top class in Junior school, boys in top class were allowed the privilege of bringing a folding pocket knife into school. We used them for sharpening pencils, cutting string, craft work and whittling wood. At the age of ten we were thought responsible enough to carry a knife with us, we all knew how to use them and the thought of using them as a weapon never entered our heads. One of our favorite pastimes during break was comparing our knives and the decorative handles.
Looking around today, I think a 10 year old in 1970 was a heck of a lot more mature and responsible than the average adult these days...
I was asked by a young girl, maybe six, from the new age traveler community if I would lend her a knife I was using.
I first glanced at her mother who nodded a 'yes'.
As I handed my seriously sharp Opinel work-knife to the wee girl she asked me if, and how, it locked.
She had been well taught - and then ran the blade against a fingernail to check how sharp it was, and the angle at which it would give the best cut.
As was the way back then.
Very easy to understand video, thank you for sharing. I carried a legal Swiss Army knife containing dozens of tools for decades but when I used it to cut one of my prescription tablets in half I was seen by a manager and got into trouble. It was documented onto my personal file. The annoying thing and something that I found unfair was that loads of staff members would eat their lunch at their desk and use metal knives. Some of the girls would bring in birthday cakes and fetch carving knives from home to cut them. This is an argument that I could not win.
Why do you work there?
Like what were you supposed to do in that moment?
It's a tool, they try to weaponise everything.
I think you could win that absurd note on your file,or the black mark you gained.
Sounds like PC "seen to do the seemingly right thing signalling."
What a "sick"mentality this manager has,a total imbecile..... I wouldn't like to work with these kind of people.
Pencil can be used as an offensive weapon too... 2nd ammendment is what you need and that would change the perspective on pocket knives forever. Absolutely idiotic laws in UK...
I had a member of the public report me to the Police for having a hatchet (Small wood axe) on my person (I was in the Brecon Beacons for 7ish days). I explained to the Police that I was using it for wild camping and that it's not the weapon that's the problem, it's the person. The irony is that as a teenager I was trained to go into combat and did see combat, yet I can't be trusted to carry a "weapon" as a adult?! The further Irony was that I had to actively report several men actively out in the mountains shooting!!
It’s probably nigh on impossible to tell people which knives are illegal in public without explaining what is legal. That isn’t promoting the carrying of knives, it’s explaining the law.
Yes, if it takes a courtroom full of lawyers to decide if you had a reasonable excuse to carry an illegal knife how are we supposed to know? You're in trouble whatever you do.
Recently I came across an old photo of me and my brother on holiday around 1972 in Cornwall (Britain) I was about 10 years old. I was wearing a sheath knife on my belt in a leather sheath with about a 5 - 6 inch blade. It was completely normal for boys in Britain to carry knives at that time. Most of my mates carried at least a penknife. How else were you going to play "splits" :) (anyone remember that?)
Remember playing "splits" as a kid,as you correctly pointed out every kid had a knife on them most of the time
Given the option I’d use a walking stick over a knife for defence any day.
Let’s ban walking sticks,ban them,ban screwdrivers and hammers,ban everything!!
Ban politicians from making half-cooked laws?
An umbrella with a nice brass ferule, very John Steed!
Basicly is uts ilegal go carry anything basicly for self defence since you carrying with intent to cause harm it makes it a offencive weapon
1: its ilegal to carry any itemxwith the intent to use ut for self defence lethal or none lethal this includes bats and canes
2: uk works under reasonable force resteictions so self defence must be reasonable force no more than needed
3: preemptivly carrying an item in self defence can be seen as intent to cause harm and get u on more trouble than you would normaly
@@demonic_myst4503
Who decides what constitutes a weapon and whether it was preemptive?
What I've found is, if you're a criminal.....you ignore the law. Funnily enough 🧐
With that mentality why make anything illigal a thief will steal etc
Correct I carry a Swiss army knife with tools for my camera equipment etc.
perfectly legal and very handy for lots of things that come up in everyday life.
Yep, I’m a photographer and do the same.
What is a knife used for as a photographer?
I have carried a knife since 8 or 9 years old except when I was in the forces when I was otherwise equipped. I am now 61. I would never carry a non lockable, foldable knife as they are potentially dangerous to yourself.
if you carry a lockable knife you are carrying a fixed blade, its not classed as a foldable knife and you are breaking the law, you are totally correct Slipjoints aren't as safe to the user, but the law doesn't care. Ensure you have good reason or face the consequences if ever stopped and searched. Our knife law is a mess in this country.
@@roundtheloopandback I agree, knife laws in many countries don't actually make sense. At the end of the day, it's not the tool that's the problem, it's the criminal/human mind.
True. I spoke to someone on here who said he carried an Opinel (smaller than 3 inch blade) with the lock removed. That scared the hell out of me. I know very well how sharp they are.😬👍
@@steveclark.. My thought as well. Every country seems to have it's different laws. I am from Belgium btw and I just checked the law here (after being on this planet for 51 years I might learn something I thought). There are restrictions but all open for interpretation it seems except the obvious assault knives, but what might be an assault knife for one might be different for someone else. It's the same with the fact that you have to drive a safe appropriate speed in some conditions.
It's strange that the law in the UK would be making you a criminal in case you defend yourself with a so called illegal knife in case you have been attacked. What if it was in your own house and you were standing in the kitchen full of 'illegal' knives?
Depends on the design as the guy said in a previous video the spyderco has the pivot further back giving a bit of a stop against your hand, but in practical use chances are if it were to close suddenly then even on that knife your hand would probably slip at least a little resulting in injury
How frustrating it is in this day and age, with those welded plastic things on a hell of a lot of purchases, you know those with the semi hard plastic and crimp welds around the entire packaging. Well how do you open these without a knife of sorts when people are in more danger from the packaging than the knife. I carry a tiny lock knife on my car keys with a bunch of other keys it is 8 cm long in total and the blade is 2.8 cm just over 1" and has a 45 degree squared off point, so I'm a criminal at 66 years of age fantastic!!!
Every child was taught to use and carry a basic knife as it is one of human's most basic tools. We should all be promoting basic knife use.
The people saying "HURR UR PROMOTING KNIFES" are indoctrinated, sheltered morons.
People commit crimes, not inanimate objects. A knife is a very useful tool to have on you generally for all kinds of reasons, and we are suppose to live in a country that belives in innocent until proven guilty.
I honestly dispare at the general attitudes displayed by some members of the general public towards things like knifes, self defence and things like that.
Some people really have a crazy mentality when it comes to knives. I had a woman call the police on me (they were at the event anyway) for buying a knife at a country fair because apparently she thought I looked too young and wouldn't have any reasonable need for it.
You're obviously well informed, what do you carry ?
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi Just a standard swiss army knife of a type that's legal to carry for general utility. I carry it on me everywhere (shock horror) and use it on a regular basis both in and out of work. A few time's in the past I've seen a coworkers eyes go wide when I pull it out to help them cut open a box or something and I always find it funny and explain to them what the law actually says rather than the idiotic anti-knife (and general anti-freedom) mantra that the media and government bodies put out.
Back in the 90s when I was in my teens, me and my friends used to go camping, sometimes with and sometimes without the landowners permission. We took whatever tools we needed to build our survival shelters, and build our camp fire. We stopped the practice of camping in said woods, when the landowner started taking the problem seriously, and asking us to leave in no uncertain terms.
I am well versed in sec 139, and have been tested as well, referred to cps, but I can't help but think the UK lacks common sense, I have to remove my box cutter locking knife while plying my trade as a multiskilled engineer...the law should attack and punish foul players and people who use such tools to cause harm on the basis of crime... While allowing decent people to carry useful tools, a Leatherman surge say should be a UK legal tool.
The UK should give the law abiding citizens an advantage as a whole with regards to self defence in law ( how can anyone gauge actions say from a midnight burglary possibly armed as well?) its hard to justify your actions in the dark to weigh threat in a few seconds, to justify an unreasonable invasion of ones home, the greater good should always prevail, not what fancy talk you can give.
@Andrew Howe Technically you can carry a fixed blade knife or an axe, it it's for sporting or recreational purposes, for example camping. It should be up to the discretion of the police officer to use their common sense and apply the law appropriately. Unfortunately, now days the police only recruit university graduates, so they don't have the common sense they were born with.
I believe that at one point in the 1980s there were estimated that there had to be around 350,000 'carpet-fitters' in Glasgow.
The Gerber ticks a lot of boxes and actually opens them too which is nice
Bugger….now I need a spyderco and a cork screw 😂. Great info as always my friend 👍🏻
I carry knives not for defence but rather I love having my collectible tools / toys with me. I love to open , close and just admire the beauty of the knife. Laws are as you said only useful to take away our G-d given freedoms. Useless in protecting us from someone bent on wrong doing. I’ve carried a knife for almost entire life. It’s high time to say no to the tyranny.
Laws don’t make us safe, rather one’s own self discipline.
My constant "carry" is a 1940's Schrade twin folder made for the Knox woolen company,Camden,Maine. They were given as "gifts " to valued customers. I use it every day for just about everything
In New Zealand a store can sell an assisted opening knife, but it's illegal for you to buy it. Go figure.
I believe that it's all down to intent. If the authorities can prove conclusively that you have a knife on you for assaultive purposes, then lay charges, otherwise leave people alone who use one as a handy tool
I agree, intent is key. Most items can cross between weapon and tool, the powers that be try to weaponise everything. If you say your hammer is to hit someone in defence, you're done, cooked. if it's to bang in nails, let them TRY to weaponise it.
I seems that any legal knife is only legal if you are VERY CAREFUL how you answer the ‘friendly and matey' policeman’s questions. He knows what casual questions to ask waayyy before asks those matey, friendly questions!
Oh, so true... it's how you answer why you have *anything* that will determine if it's likely to get you into trouble
You don’t have to give any reason for carrying a legal non locking 3 inch or less bladed pocket folder . As long as it’s not in a prohibited areas like Schools ,court buildings & night clubs / pubs . You can carry any knife ,provided you have & can prove a bonafide reason for having it in your possession ,such as fishing ,camping or professional mobile chef .
@@maskedavenger2578 I have known cases where police have not known or ignored the law for carrying legal knives then saying they will charge the person unless they let their legal knife be confiscated... especially when the police person finds out the Spyderco legal knife is worth £100... most people don't want the arrest on their record even if they *probably* wouldn't lose in court...
You are relying on police officers being aware of the laws, decent and unbiased which they have proven time and again is not the case for too many power happy officers
@@blujustin4175 That's why it pays to carry a print-out, of the relevant law.
@@blujustin4175 I have Swiss Army knives ,that I have carried legally for the legal purpose intended for decades . I don’t care how power happy or how much snowflake the police officers mentality ,If I am innocent & not committing an offence ,I will take it all the way to court . I have done similar before when faced with over the top jobs worth officialdom as a matter of principle . You can only be kept on criminal record if you are proven a criminal or plead guilty in a court of law . Obviously you have to use a bit of common sense ,if you are flying ,using the underground or going out on the town drinking ,visiting official public buildings like courts or schools ,or cutting some string in the presence of snowflakes ,you use some discretion .
Can we all remember that to get to the stage of prosecution you have to be found in possession of the bladed article/offensive weapon and for that to happen you have to have been stopped and searched by a police officer, who has to have the grounds to stop and search you in the first place. Voluntary searches are no longer allowed so put all of this into context and you’ll realise that if you are sensible then you will not get in to trouble. The law is the law but equally it is not so black and white to be getting to the stage of standing trial. I’m a retired copper and now manage a farm where each and everyday I carry a knife of a locking variety. Be sensible, stay safe!
Carrying it around for *defensive* reasons make it an *offensive* weapon. Well played UK law, well played.
Also in New Zealand, where you can defend yourself as long as you don't use any object to do it or put up too much of a fight otherwise you are the one in trouble.
@@maxpower7774
It's always easier for the police if you just die. Less paperwork.
God forbid they should have to figure out which of you was in the wrong.
A lot of US states are the same way, "if for the purpose to go armed". Thank goodness constitutional carry, in Tennessee now. I've been carrying at least 1, usually 3 knives since I was about 8 yrs old as we were always out in the woods.
"you are carrying something for DEFENDING yourself, therefore it is an OFFENSIVE weapon..."
Truly pathetic. Accepting these laws is shameful.
The thumbnail to this video shows an Opinel pocket knife. They're great favourites in France and I have several, in various sizes. Sadly, they must be illegal to carry 'on the street' as the blade does lock; open or closed. This is actually a safety feature as it prevents the blade closing on your fingers! Time was when every schoolboy (seemingly) had a pocket knife.... in his pocket and, when in uniform, scouts would carry a sheath knife on their belt. But, times change and it's best to take away any 'excuses' for carrying a lethal blade.
Many thanks for your, rather sensible, views on UK knife law. As one of the "design team" for the last knife shown I am happy to see it shown for exactly what it was designed as, a UK legal knife. As an aside, the laws in Denmark (iirc) state non-one handed opening, so the hole was made very much smaller for the Danish version.
You were on the design team for UKPK? That’s awesome. It’s certainly my favourite knife for EDC but I’m never sure if officers would take it regardless if they found it.
BB member? I miss that site a lot.
@@inncubus666 Yup, founder member
Well, if a knife is an offensive weapon, I guess I'll just carry a shield, a defensive weapon.
(Disclaimer: I carry neither because I don't have any and I also don't go out of my house)
I wouldn't carry a knife about anywhere.
But sadly, I did have to explain to a police constable, that they would be completely safe from stabbing from me.
As I walk with two walking sticks, it would be impossible for me to stab anyone, as my hands were already in use and if I let go of one of the sticks I would fall over!
Shame they didn't think of that all... on their own.
Their minds require walking sticks...
@@dlevi67 They have minds? Remarkable!
@@dennisleighton2812 Well, debatable, actually. (That they have minds, not that it would be remarkable if they did)
Years ago you would get a pocket knife for your birthday from your father, the world’s gone nuts .
I was once stopped and searched a few years ago, I had my Swiss army knife but also a 1 inch key ring knife which did actually a locking mechanism on. I never realised it was illegal, I mean it was a keyring for God sake and was actually arrested for it. Luckily they saw my point of view in the end and released me with out charge. They converscated the key ring but gave me back my Swiss army knife which was probs 3 times the size lol
They probably arrested you for a bladed or sharply pointed article.
That always calls for common sense from the officers, this does not always happen due to all circumstances considered in their uniqueness.
I have arrested people for the same things who were using them for criminal.purposes. I have also stopped what I term as normal people who have one on them. If they gave me a shocked response on the subject I usually believed them. Yet, always with background checks to ensure they were not habitual carriers of weapons, or had any intelligence on them having threatened or having threats against them.
A 5 minute check usually sorts that out.
However, since common sense policing and independent thought, along with individuals discretion was taken away from us under Blair the only action that the cops are allowed to make are in my opinion demonstrating clear political :favour and fear". Two things we swore not to do "act without fear or favour".
Yet, I'm my humble opinion the reason for the public hate or mistrust in coppers is down to this.
We used to be able to deal with things by using discretion and common sense.
Now its about arrest statistics but they never admit that. It is why I lost hope in the police.
Now it's just a political football kicked about due to political parties having sway over policing.
The foldy knife was legal to carry , the small 1" keyring wasn't because it locked out, even a 1" blade could puncture or slash,,they couldn't justify an intent to harm with the foldy knife ,so couldn't seize it legally, the smaller one ,again, probably no intent to use to harm, but letter of the law ----- , it was seized.
@@All-Father-Odin-967 Wise words from a genuine decent bloke I feel. The last two years have proved that all our so called trusted organisations are full of corrupted people, until this changes, I fear for the future.
@@steveclark..
Hi Steve,
The fact, the police now have to pay for a 3 year degree in brainwashing before joining is unbelievable.
The university education system is predominantly left, or ultra left wing.
The dangers faced by Blairs marxist insurrection with Common Purpose is real, they are now leading most UK police forces. They have perverted the way we policed. Before we would question if an order was lawful and say "no" to whoever asked us to do it. Now they are so scared to say anything they blindly do it.
The job is fucked.
There is a vexatious question of where do we now go?
Canada is sliding into anarchy and we will follow. It was all planned long before.
The UN take over is now in full.effect, one world government is about to kill us all.
Madness. I've carried a pocket knife since I was 7yrs old, most kids of my generation did. We didn't get all stabby, it's not NATIVE British culture.
A few years back I was at Portsmouth docks to take a ferry. A guy reeled off a list of banned items.....bombs, explosives, gun, shotgun..blah blah. Yes I just said no, wasn't paying great attention because I'm not a terrorist. But he'd mentioned knives and got very excited when he spotted my small pocket knife clipped to my jeans. He confiscated it. I called a policeman over, he said if it were up to him I'd keep it but not his call.
Then I asked the guy if he'd mentioned axes. He said no. I showed him an axe I had in the car for camping. As I'd told him I could keep it !!!
So I can't take a pocket knife on board but I can take an axe.
P.S. the on board shop sold pocket knives 😂
I remember when there was a legal gunsmith in my local city. In the NW of England. Now you can't do anything hardly not even use the two legal weapons you carry around with you all the time, namely your fists. In the right way. The UK is gradually being dumbed down and softened up. It will resemble one huge nursery / kindergarten very soon
Oh shh. What a load of nonsense
'Nanny' knows best!
@@readmycomment3157 I bet that you don't believe in the Great Reset or can see where the world is heading either? Totally disarming the citizens of countries around the world has been going on for years now.
@@steveclark.. why do I know your family think you've gone nuts lmao
Don't forget, you can't have brass knuckles, but you can have steel toes! I don't think that's classed as going equipt, but it works.👍
I’m an American and a knife collector. We don’t have quite as many restrictions on what we can carry but I still find myself carrying the Spyderco UKPK (the knife shown in the video with a thumb hole) regularly. It’s light, super useful for normal light duty cutting tasks like opening mail or food prep, and very inoffensive for those afraid of knives. It’s the perfect office knife.
Side note, it blows my mind that the UK counts a box cutter as a knife at all. Knife laws can get really weird.
I got stopped at a railway station carrying my work tool bag. Upon inspection the copper found a no7 opinel in the bottom of the bag. His joy was off the scale, he promptly arrested means took me to the nick full of it. In the nick an older copper took an interest in the interview. I said nothing except that I was going to work and it was an essential tool. After over an hour of pointless interrogation I finally broke and said. ' I am sixty years old, and have carried a knife my whole life, to date I have never stabbed anyone but you sir are really beginning to piss me off right now!'. To which he kept from his chair facing me and kept out the way. Thankfully the old cop started laughing and said I'm releasing him now, I've seen enough. The young rookie said he threatened me but was told to shut up and tear all the paperwork up because there was never a case as I was going to work. To show no hard feelings I gifted the knife to the younger copper explaining it utility across the board, at first he refused but was instructed to take the gift by his superior and give me a lift to work.
I think I was lucky but as stated I have carried knives since a nipper and never stabbed anyone. Btw I have been stabbed twice back in the 70's and suffer from one injury incurred to this day.
The stupid thing about it all is that a metal bodied pen is deadly even a pencil can do serious damage.
I wonder the logic of calling a defensive weapon and offensive weapon if attacked. Love your work btw.
If you're carrying to use as a weapon (even if you consider it defencive) it is per se a (offensive) weapon. If you happen to have it with you and end up using it in defence that's (in theory, with caveats etc) ok.
Slight correction: the thing you believe to be a "strong clip" on the Gerber multitool, is actually a bottle opener.
Must be for very small bottles?
@@mikeymike1001 the bar of the "clip" goes on top of the cap, and there's a corresponding prong that hooks beneath. There's also an actual keyring attachment on the Gerber.
@@mikeymike1001 For bottle caps that have been pressed on (and thus you see the 'wavy' edge)... All that's needed is for the tool to get purchase under a single part of the cap, and it will come off. Doesn't matter how big the cap is.
I would never use a knife that didn't have a fixed blade or one that locked open for safety reasons!
I'm confused. I thought knives which could be opened with one hand - whether locking or not - were banned. The Spyderco knife would clearly fall under this heading.
Well they aren’t, so you’re now not confused.
From the U.S.---I have carried a pocket knife of some sort since I was a Cub Scout and received my Scout knife. That was over 60 years ago, and I have never misused a knife.
Bonus info, the Opinel knife in the thumbnail is not UK legal as it has a locking ring that prevents closure, although the locking ring can be removed making it legal to carry.
As I understand, our knife laws mainly revolve around 'possession in a public place'. Yet when you see the Police on TV raid/search a house they virtually pull from that premises anything they consider to be an offensive weapon. Things that would be illegal to have in a public place or use in a threatening manner, but are legal to own. For example air-guns, machetes, swords etc. Do these items become offensive due to the warrant or something? Or the fact an unrelated crime is being committed?
Not an expert but if the raid is legitimate it could be appropriate to gather all potential weapons.
The only lawful basis for taking items as described would be if there was an allegation that similar items had been used by the suspect to commit a crime elsewhere,eg, they are accused of stabbing someone. If the item is legal to own but not to carry in a public place, no offence is committed by possessing them in your own home, the police know this perfectly well but are stat padding when they take them, usually on the basis of "well we didn't find any drugs but look at what we did find" , only to have to return them later.
If it's a police raid on a house it'll usually be for drugs or violence offences.
The police will remove the weapons (a) for their own safety, (b) in order to perhaps 'match' them to any offences - as part of the investigation, and (c) to establish ownership.
The person who's house was being raided can apply to have the items returned, but it can take a long time and the police and prosecution will generally make this very difficult to achieve - they don't want to return weapons to people possibly involved in criminality if they can help it.
If the homeowner is not charged with anything, or later found not guilty of anything it might still prove to be very difficult to see items returned, even if they can show that they had good reason to possess such items.
The type of weapon will have a bearing too - air rifles are seen as public nuisance weapons, and you won't see them returned unless you are in a shooting club or you hunt small game, and can prove that you do so.
Similarly you won't see a machete or 'zombie killer' knife returned.
If it's a quality hunting knife, pocket knife, military memorabilia or an heirloom that could make a difference.
Circumstances are hugely important and the police will make judgement calls.
Of course there are certain weapons that are simply illegal without an appropriate license - good luck getting a shotgun back without a current license.
Finally, the homeowner's lawyer might advise them to just drop it - there's nothing to be gained by antagonising the police, and demanding the return of certain items will just put a big target on your back.
The police might even say, "we are currently running a knife or air rifle amnesty - would you like us to destroy these items for you?"
It's a semi rhetorical question - the correct response is "yes thanks".
@@ianmacfarlane1241 Very thorough - cheers 👍
Swords are outlawed in this country now unless you have a good reason or they are antiques or constructed in a traditional way.
Yes illegal to own, even in your own house!
As a retired police officer it is obvious that you are passing pure legal comment of the topics. Not recommending to carry, harm, any person or to cause damage.
You probably give the best information on the clear explanation of legal subjects I have enjoyed outside of the classroom.
I carry my multi tool either for the allotment or walking my dog, my friends dog got caught in barbed wire once (were we live it’s all farmers fields and fences for miles around) and they had to just “un tangle her” the dog lost an eye from it.
It was horrendous and if they were able to cut the wire the whole ordeal would have been less traumatic for all involved.
The multi tool has a good set of pliers on it in turn having a good set of wire cutters more than capable of cutting through thick fence wire…
What a horrific accident. I can see the sense in carrying such a multi tool, the law seems fair in regard to the locking/non-locking knife rule.
@@TitianTopsyTurvy No... No... It doesn't. You are manipulating the conversation in a Very pernicious way.
How so? I hear you say.
Most of those multitools have a blade that locks.
@@johnrhodes3350 I'm not manipulating the conversation at all. What shit are you smoking?
@@johnrhodes3350 Yeah that's the problem, I can count the half-decent multitools (which would actually cut thru fencing wire) but which don't have locking blades, on the fingers of one hand. Don't get too peeved at Titian, he/she probably doesn't know this.
@@simonh6371 your quite correct, thanks Simon.
That 'clip' on the dime is a bottle cap opener.
I've had the dime for years, it's my edc, it fits in that unless tiny jeans pocket.
It's been soo useful, away from home..I've fixed door hinges, removed splinters, opened packages (it has a dedicated package opener so you don't blunt the blade) removed tags, used it as a pry bar, a bottle opener, cut string, stripped wire and cut wire, I even took apart a whole couch and cut off the leather material so it could fit in my mother in laws car to take to the dump.
My wife even says oh have you got that tool on you? Yep!
It's not scary to others when you take it out, even the blade is rounded and is tiny, but capable of everything you'll need it for in an everyday situation. No court will look at it and say "yep that's lethal"
What I wouldn't find useful everyday is just a knife and I reckon it's harder to justify a stand alone knife as an urban edc than it would be a small "do it all" tool.
For work I have a leatherman as again it's more capable in a work scenario's than just a knife.
When I go fishing or camping I take a mora fixed blade and it stays in my pack until I'm on site. Last thing I'd want is a folder closing up when making kindling.
So for me it's multi tool edc or fixed blade camping.
I think you should make the point that, if questioned by police as to why you're carrying a uk-legal knife, the correct answer is "I don't have to provide a reason", as under stress someone might be led into saying it's for self defense
I live in Texas. Everyone carries a knife of some kind. It’s interesting to see the restrictions in other countries. We can carry just about anything other than a stiletto. We can even carry a switchblade if we want.
You can even carry a stiletto in Texas you can carry any bladed tool. I was walking through my Town square just the other day with a katana on my left hip and stiletto style dagger on my right hip.
@@bobbyhempel1513 you are correct. I guess I’m not all the way up to date on the law changes. I know after the law change in 2013 stilettos we’re still illegal under HB 46.01(6)(C). I wasn’t aware that it had since been updated. Thank you for the info. I learned something today.
A knife has been the most basic tool since time immemorial. It is a tool everybody uses at the table every day. It is the folk who carry knives or any other objects (hammers, screwdrivers etc) as a means of causing injury who are the problem. As kids in the 50's we had pen knives at school and I do not remember one single case of misuse. It is the lack of parental control and restrictions on being able to apply appropriate discipline in schools that is the problem.
Would you be able to expand on when the law considers you to be “carrying” the knife? Presumably in a tool box in the boot of your car is OK but what about a tool kit in a pouch on your bike etc?
You will actually find that a tool in your car is not okay without good reason.
If it's anything other than a sub 3" non locking blade you can't even keep it in your car (tool box) or anywhere else. Unless you have a good reason. If it is sub 3 inches you can keep it anywhere you feel you need it. Car, office desk, bike pouch etc
@@jamesnoller7895 This is the best way to think of it. Sub 3" and non-locking for every day carry, to use for any tasks that may arise during your day (other than self-defense). Anything that locks or is greater than 3" in length you will need to have a good reason to have about your person or in your vehicle. Basically anywhere outside of a secure building such as your house, place of work, or storage unit.
On the subject of self defense, carrying any article for such a purpose will make it an offensive weapon, whether it is bladed or not.
@@du1987de Which is stupid, when you consider the definition of a public.
Are they saying the inside of your car, is a place to which the public have a general right of access?
@@BedsitBob Hi Bob, no but they are say that the knife in your car is in your‘possession’ and the car is in a public place. Even if the car is in a work car park etc, if the public can access it, it is public.
I don’t think you mention Opinel knives, though there’s one in the poster frame for this video. Even though they’re pretty inoffensive to look at, and some (the one I have, for example) have a blade of less than three inches in length, they do lock, and so they don’t fall within the UK legal bracket.
I have an allotment and regularly walk around with a knife in my pocket. A knife is essential for a lot of allotment work such as cutting string for guiding growing vegetables.
Being a bearded, overweight, bald 52 year-old I rely on my looks not to be stopped and searched as well as the fact that there aren't any bloody bobbies on the beat any more as they are busy looking for people who post hurty words of Facebook.
I was one of those who commented - negatively - on your last foray into the absurdities of UK knife law and, while this video makes more sense than the last, it's unfortunate that the camera rendered half of it opaque. One point I appreciated was mirroring the language of the CJA 1988:
_139 - Offence of having article with blade or point in public place._
_(1)Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence._
_(2)Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife._
_(3)This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches._
Whereas the UK government's website puts it thus:
_It’s illegal to [...] carry any knife in public without good reason, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long._
Apparently the government doesn't understand the law either, and I'm grateful to learn that a 3 inch blade is actually lawful to carry without having to simper if the police find it on you.
I own a few uk legal pocket knives ( section 139 compliant ) that i use for work and I've had people assume its completely illegal and some due to the size of my hands are sketchy when on the one off times they have folded during a cutting task and I'd never even comprehend using them for self defense or anything similar because its ridiculous to use a tool as a weapon which some people believe all knives are
I carry a multi tool, (leather man) , a high intensity flash light, a small vice gripe and a small channel lock at all time . 25 years +
This is helpful because sometimes I go out with my work stanly knife in my pocket still wearing the same trousers. Didn't know about the lockable part, wont be doing that anymore
If that dime's anything like mine, the public's safe from being menaced with it, because it takes a hell of a lot of force to pull the blade out!
What would be the legality of something like the Leatherman Kick? The blade length is legal, and it is non locking. However, the blade is on the inside portion where you would have to open up to the pliers then unfold the blade then close the handles. It does not lock the blade in place but you would have to open it up to close it fully.
I always have a victorinox SD on me, yesterday I found a man collapsed in street, in the storm, an ambulance was called which arrived two hours later. I got an industrial type Rubbish bag out of a commercial bin, used my pocket knife to cut into a plastic sheet/blanket to protect him from rain. It may of helped save his life.
Good choices, I have a Benchmade proper with a sheepsfoot blade, I would argue that it is the safest option as it meets the criteria and has a no point blade.
I'm 74 and having lived and worked all my life in the countryside, I have carried a knife for as long as I can remember, as well as string or cord, and would be lost with out them
You use your car for work and leave toolbag in the boot to stop your children playing with sharp tools. Traffic stop on a Saturday night and you then have to explain the "weapons " that are in your car. The motorist, the gift that keeps on giving.
I've heard of women being advised to use their keys between their fingers if they feel in dangers such as someone following them home in case they get attacked, suppose that'd could as an offensive weapon at that point.
One woman was arrested and even went to court over it. The defendant's lawyer claimed that her holding the keys between her fingers made it premeditated. I don't think she was found guilty, but it shows how fucked up our police are, that they even arrested her in the first place.
Ooooh defending yourself? You aren't allowed to do that are you? Isn't that why so many criminals still think they can easily get away with it?
A female relative also carried hair spray and a metal handled comb for self defence.
So in other words there are certain implements that are legal to carry, but you still have to have a justifiable reason for carrying them in public = explained in 5 secs !
If anyone carries a knife for the purpose of harming someone,whether it's legal or not is irrelevant.
At the start of the video you had a picture of a opinel knife. But I didn’t see you talk about it. Would this type of knife come under the act? It does not lock automatically, and is freely foldable, but it does have a slide that you can manually rotate to lock it.
If you can lock it, it locks.
An 8" biro with a thin metal tip can do a lot of damage, to your groin if youu fall with one in your pocket!
I can carry any knife I like as a member of the medical profession,offensive or not. Police never said anything to me,they called a switchblade a lock knife and let me off. The more priveleged you are,the less likely they are to look down on you as a hooligan who carries or possesses knives for the sake of it.
It's still very vague because it depends on a presumed intent to harm for the purposes of a prosecution when surely the character of a person would indicate whether harmful intent was there or not. All vague and basically law enforcement want everyone to be completely paranoid about having anything sharp on them at all.
I'm just wondering if it's paranoia or the epidemic of stabbings in our country ?
So how would you formulate the law?
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi I don't think it's that - all these laws pre-date the "epidemics" other than the OWA 2019 which really only added details to the types of forbidden weapons (in a fairly non-sensical manner, I have to say - a replica japanese katana is forbidden, but a replica medieval arming sword is not; guess which one is potentially lethal? Both are).
@@dlevi67 Appreciate you're arguing the technical detail but I only care about the epidemic of knife crime and the risk to my children :)
@@JohnSmith-uf8qi I don't dispute that, and I'm worried about what my 2 can be met with too; I'm just pointing out that the key legislation in this area goes back to 1959 and 1988 respectively, so there is no relationship to the rise in stabbings that unfortunately has happened in the last 10 years or so.
As narrow boater we have to possess a knife and even side cutters in case we get a fouled propeller. I count my Swiss army knife and lock knife as tools. I am now worried I possess a lock knife. But it is more ridged for cutting away rope sleeping bags etc you wouldn't believe what else...
I carry a knife because I found a spoon just wasn’t hacking it for opening packages, cutting meat, sharping pencils etc.
How is the blade measured...?...from where?...to where? What does the law use as the measurement protocol?
This is good info I did not know about the locking part I knew it was under 3” I removed the black on my. Multi tool as I keep it in the car and did not want the hassle when I was 17 I was pulled over for driving early in the morning when they found nothing they got me for a stanly knife in the drivers door card, I was a night warehouse picker but I was still charged if I knew the law back then I would have stood up for myself but I was completely bullied by them.
What about Opiniel folding knives that have the rotating collar that can lock the blade open if you wish, however, it does not lock open automatically?
I collect pocket knives, the time and effort that goes into some of them is impressive. They can be very "beautiful" in their own way. Or look tactical if thats what you prefer.
This is a tool that our kind has carried with us in some form, since we figured out we could sharpen a rock.
I may seem dramatic to some, but to deny citizens free use, and access to knives, regardless of your reasoning, is a violation of their rights.
Everywhere is different, I get that, but I will never agree with banning them.
Things like this are part of our history. The essential items that ensured we made it to where we are now. All of us, not just one group...
To deny people something like that, or to be so strict about it that people can only have one type of knife, its ludicrous...
I've never had an issue with an swiss army knife being attached to my keyring and when folks see it nary a brow is ever raised by it's presence. Multitools and locking folders are generally okay in Canada, however like you said in the video, one never brings them to concerts and other places where security is a factor unless you want it to be confiscated. The funny thing is that the most common knife type used by criminals is the el cheapo, but intimidating looking chef style found in every domestic and professional kitchen.
Thank God I live in the USA. So even in the worst criminal friendly state of Maryland it's still legal to carry a locking folder for the purpose of self defense.
A bloke in Scotland got charged for possession of a potato peeler in a public place, just remember this.
The UK certainly has some messed up laws around knives. While laws do differ between states and localities here in the US, they usually center around concealed carry or restricting specific types of knives that have gotten a bad rap (ex. switchblades). Generally, though, as long as a knife is less then 4 inches, clipped to your pocket, or in a sheath you're not going to have any problems carrying it anywhere other than an airport or courthouse.... unless you actually stab someone with it. I always have a knife on me cause you never know when one will come in handy and I've never had a problem.
I thought the act also prevented carrying a knife that can be opened one handed. Or is that not the case? Offensive Weapons Act Section 19 redefines a 'flick knife'. The previous definition had a button on the handle to release the blade, the new one includes a button or device anywhere - so it could include a diving knife that has a button to release it from the sheath, or a folding knife with a stud on the blade to allow one-handed opening. It also makes possession of one illegal, whereas previously it was only illegal to sell them or pass them to others - so if you had one, you could legal keep it.
I think we need a more nuanced set of legislation to cover the carrying of knives. There is no differentiation between what I, an over 40 engineer, can carry and that which a 11 year old can carry. I dare say my years of never hurting another person nor having the desire to ever do so should afford me a level of responsibility and the comfort of a knife with a safety feature for daily use (locking).
My suggestion for reasonable knife laws would be:
Under 18s’: Legislation as it stands.
Over 18s’, with relevant criminal record: Legislation as it stands.
Over 18s’, no relevant criminal record: Sub 3in locking knife to be allowed, no specific reason required.
Knives above 3in, good reason required as with current legislation.
The fact of the matter is that mortified criminals carry now are illegal anyway, cheap kitchen knives, flashy machetes and large "hunting" style knives and probably the occasional locking knife that they ordered off ali express, the day I hear of criminals actively carrying a Swiss army knife to cause harm to people I'll humbly eat my words but in the meantime I know people that carry knives they technically should have good reason for and probably don't, but I also know they're not likely to go harming someone, probably less so than someone without a knife since they know getting caught even if the knife isn't used could trump up their charges
@@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming I don’t disagree…..but I’m also a realist and think my suggestions are a reasonable compromise that achieve the same perceived reduction in likelihood of violent knife crimes being perpetrated while allowing sensible, generally law abiding people to have safe tools for general tasks. Ideally I’d be allowed to have any one of my CRKs’ on me without good reason, but (and I don’t like it) there is no way that would ever be publicly acceptable and so no MP would ever back it, regardless of evidence.
But it also needs people to write sensible, realistic and non-reactionary emails to MPs. Which I try to do. People need to make their opinions known, they need to calmly educate and correct misconceptions otherwise nothing will change.
As someone who lives in a rural area my local police will often overlook a knife even locking or fixed blades because they are useful tools, however if you act shady or have a history of violence then they will have something to say. Heck one of my local officers joke about about searching me would be too much paperwork because I used to teach bushcraft classes so would often be carrying enough weapons to equip a small army while going to of from work. One new officer made that mistake once until he radioed his sergeant and was "oh you're fine... Want a lift home?"
I have a Swiss army knife which is UK legal carry as blades are below 3 inchs and non locking. Even then I won't take it to the pub. Do I think the UK knives are pretty? Yes however the lack of responsibility by many has led us down this path
Really appreciate the outdoor and bushcraft content. A subject that usually comes up around the fire is river access law for Canoeing and kayaking. A river access video would be so good!
"why am I promoting knives" OH DEAR, someone watched your vid and concluded you were promoting knives. We are lost. Thank you for your continued insight though all the best.
You should make it clear that you are referring to UK law please. I live in Saskatchewan, Canada where the situation is different but pragmatic. If you are returning from a hunting trip with a 10" fixed blade on your hip then that is OK but if you have a 10" screwdriver in your inside suit pocket when going to the office, that is not OK. So it's not about the device specifically but the circumstances. Spring assisted knives (flick and stiletto are illegal)
Should be able to cary fixed blade knifes so asking as you wear it sheathed on your belt, with jeans or something.
as someone who does carry both a UK legal multi tool, and UK legal swiss army knife on their person MOST OF THE TIME. I would strongly recommend not purchasing the Gerber dime. Both myself and a co-worker purchase3d one... they both literally fell apart after about 3 weeks of use.
A couple of questions have arisen. A legal for the purpose of the act pocket knife may have a blade that is upto 3" long.
Does that A) mean 3" or less.or less than 3" B)?
does this measurement only refer to the cutting edge of the blade or the whole of the blade..
....if the latter where is that measurement taken from? the hinge or the hilt once its opened?
I don't wish to seem pedantic but that is exactly what the law is.
Can you carry a butterfly knife TRAINER that has NO CUTTING EDGE and cannot be sharpened as they have holes drilled all along the ‘blade’ ? What about a butterfly knife that has a BOTTLE OPENER on the end of it and no cutting edge anywhere?
How about an Opinel with the ring which does not automatically lock the blade?
My knife is a tool and has never been a weapon. It's the oldest tool known to man (something with a cutting edge that is). People decide when an object becomes a weapon. A pencil or pillowcase can be a weapon in the wrong hands. Anyone wanting to carry for the sake of self defence or to cause harm won't care what the law says. Also, in my opinion, a non locking foldable knife is just an expensive paperweight that you shouldn't waste your time with.
Can you please cover the leatherman bond multitool. Many sites including leatherman official list it as UK legal as it's non locking, and 2.9". However due to the way it folds, you need to open the handles to close the knife. Does this make it immediately foldable or not? Many multitools have this design for safety so the knife won't close on your fingers accidentally. I think there is a lot of confusion on the legality of these types of multitool. Cheers.
Would be very interesting to hear. I stopped carrying my Leatherman PST every day after someone put that point of view to me.
He won't be able to give you a definite answer, for the simple reason that there are so many different versions of multitools, even from the same manufacturer. I've got a Leatherman and on the model I've got all the blades are on the outside and can be folded at any time without having to open the handle. Others models might have locking mechanisms, yet others might have the knife on the inside and can only be closed by opening the handle (which almost certainly makes it not fall under the exemption as in effect the blade is locked). Given that he can not give you specific guidance on a specific case/item but only generic guidance I suggest you take your knife, pour yourself a drink, look up the law, think about the various points he has explained and then try to understand the purpose of the law and what that means for your specific knife.
In my experience I hate knives that use the handle like that because I had a multi tool with a screwdriver that deployed the same way, any forward pressure it would try to fold, can't imagine using that for any heavy work, in essence though it relies on your grip to stay closed so I'd day it's not-locking thinking logically
I queried the Leatherman Bond with a reputable dealer, who queried their wholesalers: the knife, and Tools blades used in the manufacturer are machined with a simple lock notch. However, the handle does not engage the lock so - not a locking knife.
My query came about because, being brand new, and rather stiff, when I noticed the notch, I immediately assumed it was locking. This was not the case.
By the strict definition of the law it is a legal every day carry, but, as so often, the law is more than vague, with some variable interpretations available to be drawn; don't forget the classic Catch 22: it's not for you to determine a lawful reason, or purpose, to carry, it's up to a court; of necessity requiring arrest, even, potentially, brief imprisonment in a Police Cell, and trial, before any such ruling.
It's arguable that the definition is so vaguely worded that one courts ruling wouldn't prove a legal precedent, and the whole farce would have to be repeated time, and time again!
PS in my work as a specialist hospital medical equipment engineer I carried two Leathermans (one a vice grip) and used them daily. When travelling to, and from, my work; they were cased, and kept in a locked tool bag.
Incidently: my father was a long serving Policeman in Dundee City, and Angus Constabularies 1951 - '73, he used his truncheon in anger once... there was a knife involved!