The Expandable Baton is Not a Self Defense Tool | Police Should Not Carry Batons

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  • The expandable baton is one of the most useless tools regularly carried by police. It has absolutely no track record of desirable results and is responsible for some of the worst cases of police brutality ever.
    I do not understand why this thing still exists.
    This is just a short playlist of some baton fails that illustrate some of the points in this video. Do you know of many... or any... instances of the baton actually working as intended?
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  • @hard2hurt
    @hard2hurt  5 років тому +1354

    Question for Viewers: Does the baton ever work as intended?

    • @princed8534
      @princed8534 5 років тому +481

      Yes if you are in a fight against multiple attackers and you only have a baton it's better then nothing for anything else I think it's pretty useless

    • @DaveFu
      @DaveFu 5 років тому +349

      This one time at Band Camp....I was attacked by Ninjas and I didn't want to mess up my trombone.....

    • @garynaccarto8636
      @garynaccarto8636 5 років тому +98

      I think stick grappling is certainly posible however I also think in a physical altercation most people will not instinctively be using it like that.

    • @summocommentaction3273
      @summocommentaction3273 5 років тому +119

      Batons are for marching band players or Watch Dog fans that wanna be like Aiden Pierce.

    • @irbadltald2532
      @irbadltald2532 5 років тому +110

      The Taser has definitely replaced the baton and Pepper spray as the first less lethal option on an officer's belt. I do not know of any incidents when the baton was effective BUT with today's antitrust of the police, they need to have as many less lethal options on their belt as possible before lethal force

  • @toasttoast8687
    @toasttoast8687 2 роки тому +3110

    i live in a country where you cant own a gun to defend yourself, my uncle gave me a baton because he knows i like going out at night, one night i was walking home with my mother and some dude was following us and pulled a knife on us, not a huge blade but it was still a knife, he was asking for our phones and wallets, i said sure man just calm down and instead i pulled out the baton and broke his wrist with it, the knife flew away and he ran away, my mom and me were fine and unharmed and we kept our stuff, so yes im gonna keep carrying and swearing by my useless baton

    • @ilikeknafs9563
      @ilikeknafs9563 2 роки тому +34

      what country?

    • @glennsmooth
      @glennsmooth 2 роки тому +255

      You must live in this country called California. It’s got it’s own set of ridiculous laws far outside the federal ones.

    • @ilikeknafs9563
      @ilikeknafs9563 2 роки тому +185

      @@glennsmooth Yep i’ve heard of that horrible country , heard people crap on the sidewalks there

    • @joannamonique707
      @joannamonique707 2 роки тому

      @@glennsmooth so do like 27 other states. Lol cali is not at all the only state that doesn't respect guns laws. And whoever allows government actors to take their God given rights away is a pussy anyway. I do what I want. I don't at all respect the idea that other humans have any authority to tell me how to live. Every man created equal. I take it pretty literally 🤷🏾‍♀️

    • @Pokarface7
      @Pokarface7 2 роки тому +29

      You’re a Chad!

  • @R3DNECK
    @R3DNECK 4 роки тому +7679

    Get out of here dude, if we lose our batons we'll lose the most important tool on our belt. How am I supposed to scratch my back, with body armor on, without a baton 😂
    UPDATE: I finally found another good use for a baton. A bunch of kids had a fire going in a local park, they left without snuffing the fire out. So I had to use my baton to break up the coals and douse it with water. I'm pretty much a fire fighter now. Just saying.

    • @Justin031296
      @Justin031296 4 роки тому +403

      Someone said it

    • @Silver_wind_1987_
      @Silver_wind_1987_ 4 роки тому +514

      And how are you supposed to eat your donuts or grab those keys you left under the seat without a baton

    • @R3DNECK
      @R3DNECK 4 роки тому +500

      @@Silver_wind_1987_ that seriously makes me concerned for the way you eat donuts.

    • @Silver_wind_1987_
      @Silver_wind_1987_ 4 роки тому +71

      @@R3DNECK I'm being sarcastic lmao

    • @imposterblockade1826
      @imposterblockade1826 4 роки тому +31

      @@Silver_wind_1987_ hands

  • @durkadurka5247
    @durkadurka5247 Рік тому +144

    I just made a 2k mile road trip each way for the holidays. I didn't carry since I was going through some restrictive liberal states, but I did have a 24" collapsible baton on me when walking the dogs or going out to the car. Someone tried to mug me in the hotel parking lot coming back. He had a pocket knife, I pulled out the baton. He ran away. Worked as intended.

    • @faraon2012
      @faraon2012 10 місяців тому +8

      Baton plus pepper spray, always when i take my dog park . if you waiting for police help or 911, you are totally dead in usa. no man s land 😢

    • @RailRoad188
      @RailRoad188 9 місяців тому

      Reciprocity is the law of the land, if you have a carry permit, it is valid throughout the country

    • @NoName-mi8js
      @NoName-mi8js 9 місяців тому

      Ah yes, because you didn't get stabbed while trying to pull out your baton and deploying it.

    • @Dankestdingus13
      @Dankestdingus13 5 місяців тому +4

      ​@@RailRoad188negative some places don't care about out of state chls and will still restrict

    • @DDDYLN
      @DDDYLN 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@@RailRoad188while I'd like that to be the case, it isn't. Some states in this country are full of morons.

  • @glynnmitchell9253
    @glynnmitchell9253 Рік тому +405

    I don’t have 8 years of police experience, but I do have 28 years of police experience. I was hired when they did not issue mace or tasers. We had a baton and a pistol (and yes a revolver is a pistol). So I learned to fight with a baton on the streets. I have ended many fights with one strike to the leg and arm for the most part. But I practice a lot with a straight baton. The side handle baton hit hard but rotates down in the hand as it spins. A straight baton is more precise. Most people have played tennis, ping pong, badminton etc and know they can hit a small moving target with a straight handle “baton”. There is no nice way to hit them so hit like you are breaking furniture and one hit will likely end the fight. The exception being someone on drugs. But a baton can break them down mechanically but hitting joints if it gets that bad. Using mace causes you to have to deal with biohazard as the suspect starts issuing spit and snot in good quantities and you still have to handle them to cuff. Most rookies I trained were like you until they saw a baton work. I carried a collapsible baton when I worked undercover. But I have not hit anyone with one so I’ll not comment on that. Tasers , batons and hand strikes- the suspect will sometimes be injured when you drop them to the ground and hit the concrete or something hard. So, I love you but you are wrong .

    • @pickleman40
      @pickleman40 Рік тому

      Seeing how much modern officers lack physical skills, and rely on their mace and tazer, it's probably for the best they don't have them anymore. Also female officers would be useless with them and you know it.

    • @joshuaslate3719
      @joshuaslate3719 11 місяців тому +10

      A revolver is not a pistol. A fixed chamber weapon is a pistol. A revolving chamber weapon is a revolver.

    • @mr.dynomite8890
      @mr.dynomite8890 11 місяців тому +52

      @@joshuaslate3719 The term pistol and handgun are interchangeable. That's why there's such a term as a semi auto pistol, which contrasts from a revolver or single shot pistol. And by your definition, any weapon with a fixed chamber would be a pistol, regardless of anything else. I know, you're going to complain about straw man argument with the last bit, but that's just to prove a point about the stupidity of this. A revolver is a pistol in the same way a Glock 19 is a pistol, they may function differently than each other, but they both fall under the pistol, or handgun definition. Just like how a rifle and a shotgun are exceptionally different, but both fall under the definition of a long gun.

    • @donohirst
      @donohirst 11 місяців тому +6

      No weapon is perfect, neither is it useless. Undercover carry them in the UK, I'm not sure whether the police still use batons here since pepper spray become prevalent. I've seen plenty videos of police over here getting into sticky situations with pepper spray precisely because most combat situations arise out of drug misuse, most crooks are sensible and don't want the huge hike in prison time cos they beat a copper to get away only to get caught eventually. I like these videos but I think there's some level of the algorithm making a more considered opinion less appealing to viewers. Nuance isn't conducive to good engagement!

    • @DubiousDubs
      @DubiousDubs 11 місяців тому +13

      Correct me if I'm wrong but you're referring to a solid baton rather than extendable right? Well he's talking specifically about extendable, and the reason these don't tend to work well is because they take longer to deploy and don't hit quite as hard.
      I can attest to that latter point since I have been hit with them while stone cold sober, and when the adrenaline is rushing, you don't feel a thing from those. Therefore, you can't rely on the normal hits to disable the opponent, and have to escalate to more dangerous targets, like the head or neck.
      This is where it leaves the legal part of the diagram and 9 times out of 10 heads over to the effective but not legal portion
      A solid baton is a fine weapon for a police officer like you said, but ultimately that's not what he's talking about

  • @hremaddox
    @hremaddox 2 роки тому +779

    "This is a weapon you use when you can't control the person with your fighting skills." Precisely, dude. I'm 5'1". I'm not going to beat any man in a fight. I need to fight dirty. 😆

    • @sarahb8147
      @sarahb8147 2 роки тому +74

      This video was clearly made by and for men. I’m gonna buy one

    • @eldz521
      @eldz521 2 роки тому +8

      But Aiden is 6' something

    • @Stillnotking1
      @Stillnotking1 2 роки тому +26

      It's a equalizer

    • @SymphonyFingerstyleCovers
      @SymphonyFingerstyleCovers 2 роки тому +25

      Yeah of course when your 5'0 flat you need to use everything that your hand touches like bottle of beer chair a mug everything

    • @lesleybrown1583
      @lesleybrown1583 2 роки тому +1

      @@Stillnotking1 good eh!!

  • @Frindleeguy
    @Frindleeguy 3 роки тому +377

    So you're saying don't hit em with a stick, just shoot em? Interesting take.

    • @jaymstergms3596
      @jaymstergms3596 2 роки тому +93

      Nice to see I'm not the only person who's see how stupid this is

    • @luthfiahadian
      @luthfiahadian 2 роки тому +31

      @@jaymstergms3596 yeah mate i'm agree for you guys, no offense but this content is stupid really, obviously he's never been hit by Baton in the head, because I've done it to a bad guy on the street, and it's work, the person fell and was unconscious instantly.

    • @Petaurista13
      @Petaurista13 2 роки тому +1

      Fun fact: law in my country is more clear about carring knife of any lenght than expendable baton

    • @martysherwood8853
      @martysherwood8853 2 роки тому

      @@Petaurista13 he is a foolish man
      Big mouth...

    • @Petaurista13
      @Petaurista13 2 роки тому

      @@martysherwood8853 who?

  • @aaronclapp8047
    @aaronclapp8047 Рік тому +330

    Law enforcement "use of force" is a lot more complex than just "self-defense" alone...sometimes batons are an appropriate tool.

    • @levikay1745
      @levikay1745 Рік тому

      Yeah sometimes you gotta assault civilians like the cunts you are.

    • @cleiand5868
      @cleiand5868 Рік тому +5

      Filipono police and army are taught various locks(on legs, arms, etc) with sticks (which can be applied to baton).

    • @hachelyd_i3232
      @hachelyd_i3232 11 місяців тому

      @@cleiand5868valid

    • @ytsn_THE_OG
      @ytsn_THE_OG 10 місяців тому +3

      They could actually prevent more deaths if they used them more

    • @jms972
      @jms972 9 місяців тому

      This bald dwarf do not know what he is talking about, law enforcement in Europe always carry baton and use is pretty often, some can only carry batons so thats the only weapon i am allowed to use.

  • @Pancake374
    @Pancake374 Рік тому +73

    I’ve seen a guy fighting 2 guys one time while I was buying groceries with my parents about 3 years ago. They were in the parking lot and the 2 guys seems to be like drug addicts that were asking for money forcefully. One of the goons was about to pull something from his pocket when the dude got his baton, extended it and hit the guy on the temple. It all happened so quick that the other guy was confused and just took off running while his friend is out cold bleeding.

    • @infidel900rr
      @infidel900rr Рік тому +7

      Perfect, that's exactly what it should do.👍

    • @NoName-mi8js
      @NoName-mi8js 9 місяців тому +1

      So, only works when the "goons" are so damn slow that they take longer to pull out something than it takes for you to see him pull things out, react, pull out a baton, deploy it, and then somehow hit him in the head.

    • @Pancake374
      @Pancake374 9 місяців тому +8

      @@NoName-mi8js it takes like a second to to pull and deploy a baton at the same time. Also from what I remember the baton that the guy used might be automatic cause it didn’t look like he flicked his wrist.

    • @mingus445_gaming
      @mingus445_gaming 2 місяці тому

      @@NoName-mi8js its not hard to use, just dont be a buffoon

  • @Johnnyjoejoe
    @Johnnyjoejoe 5 років тому +1901

    Me: Uses baton to fight everyone.
    Everyone else on the Olympic relay team: 😲😕🙁😧😠

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  5 років тому +84

      Haha whoa dude relax

    • @Johnnyjoejoe
      @Johnnyjoejoe 5 років тому +10

      @@hard2hurt I'm just kidding of course. Great video BTW 😊

    • @dramaticreaper
      @dramaticreaper 5 років тому +20

      You forgot to add my profile pic

    • @Johnnyjoejoe
      @Johnnyjoejoe 5 років тому +6

      @@dramaticreaper About time you arrived...

    • @AmericanThrillseeker
      @AmericanThrillseeker 5 років тому +4

      ​@@Johnnyjoejoe - Aw heck... I was gonna say how awesome it was to be watching the same vids as an Olympian.

  • @prismaticc_abyss
    @prismaticc_abyss 2 роки тому +3454

    "This is not a self defense tool, this is a weapon"
    Weapon - a tool that can be used in self defense

    • @SpiritOfLion
      @SpiritOfLion 2 роки тому +81

      reminds me of the argument betwen USA and Russia about anti-missle defence system :D

    • @bjjkickboxing7876
      @bjjkickboxing7876 2 роки тому +27

      @@SpiritOfLion what he means with self defence tool is more of a "compliance tool"

    • @Sava.S
      @Sava.S 2 роки тому +8

      Lol

    • @prismaticc_abyss
      @prismaticc_abyss 2 роки тому +83

      @@bjjkickboxing7876 it really doesnt matter what he means if he doesnt say what he means

    • @bjjkickboxing7876
      @bjjkickboxing7876 2 роки тому +12

      @@prismaticc_abyss it does matter as it cha ges the whole purpouse of the video

  • @JensGraikowski
    @JensGraikowski 10 місяців тому +41

    "This is not merely a self-defense tool; this is a weapon. It's the instrument you employ to harm an individual that you're either angry or frustrated with, as you can't manage them solely through your combat skills."
    Absolutely, that's precisely what a self-defense tool is. It provides individuals who lack specific combat skills (which is about 99% of the population) with an advantage over an attacker. 🙄

    • @seeker4wisdom
      @seeker4wisdom 8 місяців тому +9

      I know, right? I don't feel the need to engage in a fair fight with someone twice my size and strength intent on killing me.

    • @acidead97
      @acidead97 7 місяців тому +10

      And after that he says he's a supporter of concealed carry like what? Is that not the same thing?

    • @brigade911
      @brigade911 2 місяці тому +1

      Police by definition is (or should be) using lawful violence for the interest of the public. Policemen don't have to be ninjas or samurais to manage everyone through their combat skills, they just need the equipment (as in weapons) and basic training on their weapons and tactics to be able to manage anyone. With the power of numbers on their side if needed. Because it's not about them proving they are the best in combat, it's about them enforcing the law for the benefit of all of us

    • @Noah-vz9ro
      @Noah-vz9ro 2 місяці тому

      ok man you say that like its a bad thing besides more assaults happen with fists because someones angry and guess what you always have them unless they get cut off but.

    • @Sandman-actual
      @Sandman-actual 6 днів тому

      ⁠@@acidead97a baton is not a firearm dude. When he said concealed carry he was talking about a gun.

  • @Red5_xwing
    @Red5_xwing Рік тому +24

    As a woman driving across Canada alone with a uhaul trailer full of stuff and who doesn't own a gun, I felt safer with that exact baton under the seat of my car as I slept in my car during my travels. I feel in my case, it would be self defense against a person trying to break into my car and get at me.

    • @cgsec2275
      @cgsec2275 5 місяців тому +1

      That is actually probably the worse situation to try and use one in my opinion. It requires a large swing to be at all effective. You are not going to be able to swing it enough while inside the car to have an effect.

    • @rinoceronte1
      @rinoceronte1 5 місяців тому +4

      @@cgsec2275she might get dragged out of the car. Besides, being alone in some dark highway trying to sleep, I would feel more comfortable with anything in my hand than nothing. I rather have 20 inches of steel than nothing.

  • @adam45011
    @adam45011 4 роки тому +3431

    Screw the baton; gimme that metal cable whip.

    • @hatimelouaqour610
      @hatimelouaqour610 4 роки тому +153

      Adam Collins yea boy that shit dumb scary, debating getting one for my girl

    • @gagewilliams5405
      @gagewilliams5405 4 роки тому +89

      @@hatimelouaqour610 if u live in a sketch area and u cant get her a concealed carry I'd say get her one seems crazy effective

    • @Noisemansoundinsect
      @Noisemansoundinsect 4 роки тому +36

      I have a cut bull whip just under 1 metre. It bruise the hell out of you but would not kill you or make you lose an eye like that metal lash

    • @andrebarreto9177
      @andrebarreto9177 4 роки тому +104

      Buy her a Rosie O'Donnell costume, she will never be safer

    • @joedell71
      @joedell71 4 роки тому +26

      Adam Collins I wear an extra long wallet chain. Made of welded link stainless steel chain with a 3/4.” Link. Looks like a fashion accessory until I take it off and start swinging it 😄 That metal cable whip is just the next evolution of the “wallet” chain that bikers have carried for decades.😊

  • @chrissnoeberger192
    @chrissnoeberger192 3 роки тому +682

    The biggest thing going for the baton... is that when it is deployed, usually that's the end of it. Nobody wants to be hit with a giant metal stick lol

    • @Lorenzo_Marchetti4537
      @Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 2 роки тому +12

      You don’t understand real world scenarios. Stop trying to.

    • @chrissnoeberger192
      @chrissnoeberger192 2 роки тому +161

      @@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 You're right, I've just carried one at work for years. No experience whatsoever. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and that you think less of others.

    • @carlos52321
      @carlos52321 2 роки тому +23

      Exactly it creates an obstacle between the aggressor and defender

    • @chrissnoeberger192
      @chrissnoeberger192 2 роки тому +28

      @@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 not sure where your other comment went big guy. You gotta give respect to get it. Don't discount the experiences of others, especially considering policing and being in the military are two totally different monsters. Just as being in a combat zone vs here in the United States.

    • @Lorenzo_Marchetti4537
      @Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 2 роки тому +3

      @@chrissnoeberger192 Not sure where it went either, maybe UA-cam deleted it. I’ve given enough of myself to this country pal, two bullet wound scars and constant nightmares confirm that. Whatever experiences you faced on the streets are nothing compared to what I did, I can assure you.

  • @Craig4Yeshua
    @Craig4Yeshua 8 місяців тому +8

    I have no obligation to fight fair with some idiot who wants to do me harm. I do not go around causing trouble or go looking for it, but wont fight fair if it finds me.

  • @skins4thewin
    @skins4thewin 6 місяців тому +10

    It seems crazy to me that using something as low key as a Baton for a legit, true self defense situation could be considered legal. If we are allowed to use something as straight up lethal as a gun for self defense, then why on earth would a Baton not be considered so?
    If someone is straight up attacking or robbing you, you should be allowed to use whatever the hell is nearby to defend yourself. It's either you or them in that situation. Sometimes the law is completely illogical I swear...

  • @Mr.Sr.Jr.
    @Mr.Sr.Jr. 3 роки тому +839

    Imagine your angry little friend asks you to help him with a UA-cam video and then playfully swings and twirls a baton inches from your face for 7 minutes.. 🤣

    • @MatthewsSloan
      @MatthewsSloan 3 роки тому +13

      He hit me in the tooth all careless like that I'd punch him in the mouth.

    • @ivanjoshuamichel1344
      @ivanjoshuamichel1344 3 роки тому +6

      @@jasonpatio8338 he was a police officer tho

    • @BaldMancTwat
      @BaldMancTwat 3 роки тому +32

      @@ivanjoshuamichel1344 He's also an egomaniac but we'll gloss over that

    • @lincolnpascual
      @lincolnpascual 3 роки тому +20

      That's all I was thinking the whole time too... he's bitching about safety and compliance and not hurting people, the whole time literal inches away from accidentally smashing his buddy's teeth in. Hypocrisy in action.

    • @gelatofriendlyTV
      @gelatofriendlyTV 3 роки тому +4

      All u guys in this little comment thread r pussys lmao.

  • @marionavarro4788
    @marionavarro4788 2 роки тому +300

    I would say that it being a weapon is precisely the reason it should be carried.

    • @chaimafaghet7343
      @chaimafaghet7343 Рік тому +1

      Yeah pretty much. He maybe has a point for the cops, but anyone else who gets attacked should absolutely be smacking their assailant in the head with a metal bar if they don't have a gun.

    • @venomsabre2696
      @venomsabre2696 Рік тому +2

      ​@Apple Support For Police a gun should be the very last thing they use to gain compliance. For a regular person a gun should also be the last thing on your list of priorities. Being a gun carrying advocate doesn't mean that he believes its always ok to shoot someone to death, and even if he believes that at the very least a gun is way more effective than a baton. Police carry a gun because they are tasked with entering a dangerous situation. The gun is a last resort and should be treated as such. Yes, hitting someone on the head with a baton will make them bleed out and probably die and shooting someone will probably do the same thing, but if that's the case then why carry the baton if it's just going to do the guns job less effectively and safely for the person who carries it. The issue he points is that the use cases of a baton where they are effective aren't typically legal, and the times where its legal to use the baton don't gain compliance. However, this idea may be biased given that whenever a baton is used unlawfully, videos of that scenario are sent online and get views, which would never be the case with the times batons were used legally. Besides the alternatives Hard2Hurt recommends are tactical whips, which he fully acknowledges would probably not be a good, justifiable idea for a citizen, let alone a police officer lol. But at least they were whipped into compliance instead of having their heads bleeding out.

    • @LisaAnn777
      @LisaAnn777 Рік тому +10

      Right? I thought this guy was being sarcastic or something. it's a very effective weapon.

    • @thiagoelav633
      @thiagoelav633 Рік тому +1

      the point is, in a fight a baton doesnt really hurt and doesnt make people comply, unless you hit them in the head, but if you hit someone in the head with a baton it might kill them, for a cop i dont need to explain why is dumb to use a Non-lethal weapon that only makes effect if you use lethal force with it, for a untrained civilian, using a baton most likely you will lose the baton an then get hit by it, as a trained civilian, if you have a little bit of racionality and emotion, you know that killing someone is not a good thing to do and will change your life forever so probably its not how you're gonna handle every situation.

    • @thiagoelav633
      @thiagoelav633 Рік тому

      @appIesupport yeah, break his knees, perhaps torn a ligament and maybe give them permanent damage.
      if you wanna make people hurt, there is other weapons more eficient than a baton. and if you wanna make people comply, there is other tools more eficient than a baton. so why use a baton really?

  • @dinobravo1998
    @dinobravo1998 Рік тому +111

    This guys a good example of experienced and educated people still not knowing what theyre talking about. Ive seen batons break BRICKS and my tiny 14 inch baton breaks apart tree trunks like theyre watermelon. These can kill with one hit to the head and will easily break bones. A very good defense tool indeed.

    • @zardoz3488
      @zardoz3488 9 місяців тому +11

      Red circle: Useful. Yes, it can kill you if hits head or neck.
      Blue circle: Legal. Not so useful.

    • @NoName-mi8js
      @NoName-mi8js 9 місяців тому

      Ah, another dumbass that goes "Oh, why don't you just get hit by one, then?"
      LMAO.
      Not only did you complete fail to watch the video or understand it, you literally said the thing being called out.

    • @robertfaulkner2624
      @robertfaulkner2624 8 місяців тому +8

      tell me you missed the whole point of a video, without telling me you missed the whole point of a video. Congratulations on being "That guy"

    • @enriquefuentes7697
      @enriquefuentes7697 6 місяців тому +4

      But that’s exactly the point, it can definitely kill but if you’re a cop and in a deadly force encounter, you should go for your gun. The thing about being an LEO is that policy will dictate where and when you can hit with a baton. That’s usually it’s when a subject is assault is combative. And you can only hit primary and secondary zones. Primary being center mass or the meaty parts of the arms and legs; quads, hamstrings, calves, biceps, and triceps. Secondary being the bones parts of the arms and legs; knees, elbow, wrists, and shoulders but must be justified in the use of force spectrum. The head, neck, spine, groin and chest are completely off limits unless you’re involved in a deadly force encounter. But if an assaultive subject escalates to deadly force by pulling a knife or a gun out, you can’t rely on the baton to end the threat. You will most likely be going for your gun too. If the subject is assaultive, by following policy and only targeting the authorized primary locations, your strikes may be ineffective. If you strike secondary zones you will be more effective and possibly legal but risk hitting the red zones and using deadly force when it’s not needed and getting fired/arrested after the fact. If the baton is all you have, you are most likely in SOL. Now imagine the subject manages to grab it and take it from you and use it against you, since they are untrained and not subjected to rules, they will strike your head, neck, or ribs and put you into a deadly force encounter. In that case you better have a gun.

    • @armyvet7775
      @armyvet7775 6 місяців тому +1

      Agreed

  • @DanielleSainteMarie
    @DanielleSainteMarie Рік тому +75

    I have had four occasions where the baton works great. Never had a moment where the baton failed. You have to understand: a great martial artist can make any item work. It's not up to the 'weapon' itself. It's up to the person.

    • @xati5135
      @xati5135 Рік тому +6

      so your a poet that needs to cary a self defense baton and have been in 4 situations where it worked as intended? what did someone not give you the right change and you beat them half to death and got it corrected?

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 Рік тому

      @@xati5135 What a weirdo you are. Women, feminine people and minorities get attacked all the time, whether you believe us or not. You’re probably the kind of person who’d pointlessly attack too. You did with your comment, after all.

    • @NoName-mi8js
      @NoName-mi8js 9 місяців тому +1

      Ah, yes, four occasions where you either unlawfully assaulted someone with it, or used it as a drying rack.

    • @ThanksIhateyoutoo
      @ThanksIhateyoutoo 6 місяців тому

      I'm sorry that the internet is full of such shitty people. I would also like to hear, however the stories of what happened. The more we know the better informed we are and the better prepared we are.

    • @AJHart-eg1ys
      @AJHart-eg1ys 5 місяців тому +1

      @@NoName-mi8js Nonsense. Drying clothing is what the Peleton is for!

  • @anthonyjames3196
    @anthonyjames3196 3 роки тому +2405

    When I lived in NYC where it's difficult to own a gun I carried a baton. I protected a young kid from being assaulted by a large man. I tapped his elbow and knees until he stopped attacking the kid. It definitely worked.

    • @blaynegreiner9365
      @blaynegreiner9365 3 роки тому +126

      How hard did you tap his elbows and knees and did he suffer permanent damage? lol

    • @YoniNadi
      @YoniNadi 3 роки тому +80

      @@blaynegreiner9365 . Maybe the user wasn’t trying to permanently damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees ; the user probably wanted to tap the attacker’s elbows; and knees hard enough to send him a massage to stop with his attacking the victim.
      If the user had wanted to he could have seriously damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees; or strike the attacker very hard in the neck; and most likely killing him!
      The ASP baton is no toy!
      I purchased a collapsible ASP baton earlier this month online; I purchased one of those collapsible ASP batons after 9/11 ; and I would practice swinging it; and hitting pieces of wood until it finally broke.
      If I was to strike a thug in his neck region; or on his face; or head he might bleed to death; and that would be okay with me!

    • @johnnysake8052
      @johnnysake8052 3 роки тому +64

      pretty sure the whole point is that that specific encounter is not too common. In fact, assault/violent encounters can and should be avoided as much as possible just by words.
      Verbal Judo type-stuff.

    • @appalachianexploration5714
      @appalachianexploration5714 3 роки тому +35

      Lol he called you out un the video, theres always someone who makes something up because they disagree.

    • @NotVeryGudGamer
      @NotVeryGudGamer 3 роки тому +14

      Well you were attacking someone.. I get what your saying but that’s not self defense

  • @pognarchy
    @pognarchy 3 роки тому +1574

    Considering it’s longer than a knife and able to break bones, i get a feeling that it’s a decent wacking weapon for self defense if you don’t want to risk actually killing people like a knife could

    • @zaodedong9935
      @zaodedong9935 3 роки тому +89

      With perfect accuracy, then yes you don't run the risk of killing somebody with a baton. However nobody has perfect accuracy, and if you accidentally strike somebody in the temple with that thing you can absolutely kill them with it.
      Granted it's not as big of a risk of killing the person as a knife would be, but there's still a risk.

    • @vendettaverrone7159
      @vendettaverrone7159 3 роки тому +74

      @@zaodedong9935 I think the baton is a nice in between a knife and a gun. Its better to have a non accurate shot with a baton than a gun and the length/distance than a knife against the opponent... atleast in the US legality on polices side never mattered too much anyway🤷‍♀️ If one gotta be trained on accuracy and being able to stop oneself once the targets been taken down( I had the word in my head but it escaped me) I'd take control over a baton rather than a gun. Control over a gun is def needed but it shouldn't be no1 priority in teachings to discredit the use of batons and other not-immediately-deadly weappns/tools.

    • @zaodedong9935
      @zaodedong9935 3 роки тому +13

      @@vendettaverrone7159 I was simply talking about lethality, not effectiveness. I fully agree that a baton is effective in a self-defense situation.

    • @michaelkeha
      @michaelkeha 3 роки тому +113

      @@zaodedong9935 in a self defense situation if they have a knife and are threatening you with it congrats they have revoked their right to live if they die in the scuffle they earned it

    • @tangerinetech5300
      @tangerinetech5300 2 роки тому +46

      @@zaodedong9935 oh yeah I'm gunna feel so bad if the dude that attacked me for no reason dies from his injuries. Do you people even like live in reality. You must have never been in anything close to an actual altercations with another person who wants to hurt you.

  • @MultiEviscerator
    @MultiEviscerator Рік тому +14

    An expandible baton is a great compact tool to have on a walk, stroll through the park or hike in the wilderness in case of an animal or dog attack. I rarely have used it, but the few times I have, it prevented aggressive dogs from being able to harm myself or loved ones.

  • @kenbarr0726
    @kenbarr0726 Рік тому +7

    I'm 70 years old and can't carry a gun so a baton is the next best item to have in case of being attacked.

  • @johndoe-uz2kc
    @johndoe-uz2kc 3 роки тому +382

    I was wondering how he was going to explain how a metal piece of steel that can break bones and crack skulls somehow isn't a good thing to defend yourself with....yeah I'm still using the baton to turn my attacker's face into a golf divet.

    • @honestdave
      @honestdave 3 роки тому +34

      I'd rather have it on me than my pocket knife if someone attacks me

    • @-dale2051
      @-dale2051 3 роки тому +4

      Because you could kill your attacker. If you use a laser you can just blind him and he becomes harmless.

    • @rlanger3108
      @rlanger3108 3 роки тому +66

      @@-dale2051 ok and? If someone attacks me, sorry you might get killed. A laser is going to be be super unreliable, way less reliable and smacking someone in the head with a steel rod.

    • @-dale2051
      @-dale2051 3 роки тому

      @@rlanger3108 but then you're going to prison

    • @larrikinlancer685
      @larrikinlancer685 3 роки тому +60

      @@-dale2051 Not in the U.S, self-defense kills usually hold up in court.

  • @peppers1758
    @peppers1758 3 роки тому +2311

    "it's a thing used to hurt a person"
    Yeah... That's the idea

    • @santiagocortez9554
      @santiagocortez9554 3 роки тому +126

      Atleast they don't die unlike when you use a gun💀

    • @TheFishking16
      @TheFishking16 3 роки тому +21

      Edge lord McGee over here

    • @thestuffmikedoes2309
      @thestuffmikedoes2309 3 роки тому +38

      It's almost as if you didn't watch the video

    • @mythologicalnomad6520
      @mythologicalnomad6520 3 роки тому +40

      I’ll say what my father always said when he whooped my ass for being a little shit and I cried about it hurting
      “Well it isn’t suppose to tickle”
      No shit it’s made to hurt people, it’s a physical force factor to gain compliance. Personally I hate using them, but they have their uses.

    • @ommaigod
      @ommaigod 3 роки тому

      @max marrero What kinds of trouble?

  • @MindOverMood
    @MindOverMood Рік тому +6

    Of course this’s coming from a normal sized dude. When you’re a 5”1 female and a big dude is squaring up… yeah I’m gonna do whatever I can to increase the damage I can do. It’s not a fair fight otherwise.

  • @scottmatznick3140
    @scottmatznick3140 5 місяців тому +4

    "I'm bad at using this tool, so you shouldn't use it either"

  • @mario6279
    @mario6279 4 роки тому +3155

    The only thing this video managed to accomplish was to give me good reason to buy a baton

    • @damien5613
      @damien5613 4 роки тому +42

      May I ask why

    • @chavvy9074
      @chavvy9074 4 роки тому +181

      @@whatever12. funnily enough for example in New York where guns are hard to obtain, batons are legal

    • @RobbyGAMEZ
      @RobbyGAMEZ 4 роки тому +63

      Legendary Force
      If you (an officer) feel threatened because a perp is larger than you, that’s not a good enough reason to use force

    • @lordhamlett
      @lordhamlett 4 роки тому +34

      @Legendary Force Clearly you are not a LEO. What he failed to demonstrate in the video is that even striking with the baton is ineffective. The only part on the baton worth landing a strike with is the threaded tip. When you are fighting and have adrenaline pumping, aiming that threaded tip where you want it to go on a person that is attacking you and moving is near impossible. I've seen them used in person three times and none of the times were they effective. The only time they are worth a shit is if you hit a bony (illegal) area with the threaded tip. The only "legal" areas to hit a human with a baton in a law enforcement capacity are meaty areas of the body. If you hit bony areas and break them, now you have to explain why you hit a bony area (probably because the suspect was moving) to avoid losing your job or obtaining charges. Personally, my baton has stayed in it's holster (I'm required to have it) since I've been doing my job. I'd rather use my hands and OC spray.

    • @assassinmanx6128
      @assassinmanx6128 4 роки тому +16

      You have to have an expensive one to be effective. Like over $75 and up. Those will not break and are sturdy and will fold someone. The older ones in like '98 to 2003 were pure steel and extremely hard to close and open. To open you had to have good technique and super flick of the wrist. To close them you had to pound them on the damn ground.

  • @sigmaedgemotivation
    @sigmaedgemotivation 2 роки тому +487

    I've been a Patrol Officer in some of the hardest areas of Southern Arizona. I have had ample opportunity to use a Baton, OC, and Taser. I have to say, the Baton can be perfectly LEGALLY effective. When someone squares up with you and you start blasting their elbow & forearm/wrist & hand areas, they tend to think twice about their previous actions...

    • @emanuelgraham9089
      @emanuelgraham9089 2 роки тому +35

      Be alive to tell your story, instead being carried in a casket, what ever works

    • @bobone866
      @bobone866 2 роки тому +31

      In cali they are completely illegal.. the justice system favors criminals here so my only options are run( family of 4) a 3 inch knife taser or tiny oc spray.... I wish we could carry a baton here. I never want to use a knife for self defence and tasers dont help you keep distance.

    • @oneproudbrowncoat
      @oneproudbrowncoat 2 роки тому +6

      I haven't been a police officer, and I really don't understand the procedures. I'd prefer to ask about the "effective vs legal" problem. Don't police officers know the difference between an attacker and an ordinary person?

    • @dracoandtheadventures3588
      @dracoandtheadventures3588 2 роки тому +16

      @@oneproudbrowncoat not really. I saw a black man on the news get shot for pulling up his pants..

    • @ddogegaming8031
      @ddogegaming8031 2 роки тому +1

      Whoop

  • @plumduff3303
    @plumduff3303 Рік тому +5

    I am a retired cop that baton saved my life

  • @scottmatznick3140
    @scottmatznick3140 5 місяців тому +31

    "these are not a self defense tool, these are a weapon"
    Bro that's the same thing. You defend yourself using weapons when you are outmatched.

  • @thedreamsoldierful
    @thedreamsoldierful 4 роки тому +995

    This guy: this is a weapon
    Me: ok I want one even more now

    • @NateSail82
      @NateSail82 4 роки тому +8

      pretty much

    • @livingbruhmoment1549
      @livingbruhmoment1549 4 роки тому +4

      Yep

    • @fadechicobuarque1989
      @fadechicobuarque1989 4 роки тому +1

      An ineffective weapon, at least in the video.

    • @ninjafruitchilled
      @ninjafruitchilled 4 роки тому +41

      @@fadechicobuarque1989 Well I don't think that was his point. Batons *are* effective, too effective, they just fuck people up.

    • @bionicwizard
      @bionicwizard 4 роки тому +8

      Would you not want to have a weapon for defense?

  • @dallaswolfe20
    @dallaswolfe20 Рік тому +504

    I'm a Muay Thai instructor (KRU) and a Balintawak practitioner (Filipino stick and knife). A baton isn't the same as a burnt Rattan, but they're interchangeable in utility. After years of live sparring with sticks and being around high level artists, I can say with 100% confidence that a well trained Martial Artist is extremely dangerous in a self-defense scenario with a Baton. It took me years to even score a significant hit on a well practiced person. I mean, common. You almost knocked out your buddies teeth by merely being careless. As far as the legality conversation goes, I'd rather be able to hash it out with my lawyer than be dead on the pavement.

    • @1911GreaterThanALL
      @1911GreaterThanALL Рік тому +16

      If it comes to a legitimate threat to your life why wouldn't you simply use a gun then? Far more effective than a stick. Lots of places a baton is looked at as the same level of force as a firearm. So even that argument depending on the area doesn't really pan out.

    • @tonyperez4713
      @tonyperez4713 Рік тому +9

      Yeah but he's not talking about well experienced martial artists. He's talking about everyday common people using a baton for self defense. The point of self defense is defending your life in the most efficient and effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your scenario, if an experienced martial artist were to use said baton, in a court of law that might be misconstrued as being more assault with intent to kill than self defense, which makes a huge difference. It's viewed as, well if you hit this person here in X place or you hit them X amount of times then you intended on hurting that subject rather than just defending yourself. If you shoot a subject in the chest twice while he's coming at you, then at least here in the state of texas, that's known as standing your ground. Not to mention that if you hurt someone, even someone that attacked you, that person can come back and sue the shit out of you. Self defense is about way more than just being good at fighting. It's about knowing what to do and what not to do in a given situation, and knowing how the laws in your state work.

    • @genin69
      @genin69 Рік тому +1

      this dude is literally just click baiting people now cause his content sucks balls. he goes on about how useless it is and at 3:35 he states that a danger could be that the attacker will disarm you and use it against you.. quite literally shot himself in the foot and then put foot in his own mouth. that must be the dumbest self own ever

    • @stanknight9159
      @stanknight9159 Рік тому +16

      @@1911GreaterThanALL Guns can miss, hit unintended targets. Batons, sticks, knives don't miss. I would rather a baton than a gun.
      Guns require distance and not effective in close range. Guns are good but knowing range and something to use for up close is also good.
      Most fights, start in close range.

    • @1911GreaterThanALL
      @1911GreaterThanALL Рік тому +19

      @@stanknight9159 If you literally put the muzzle onto a threat and pull the trigger the threat goes away or is highly dissuaded.
      You can miss with anything. You can swing and miss a baseball you can swing and miss a person.
      A firearm poses the risk of being taken from you and used against you just like a baton or whatever.
      However a firearm is the best tool in terms of force.

  • @yoram9692
    @yoram9692 9 місяців тому +6

    Truly the game journalist of self defense

  • @jannaseloff2586
    @jannaseloff2586 Рік тому +8

    My dad and his 2 brothers are police officers and they carry that baton and they were never in the wrong when using it

  • @AvinashTavares
    @AvinashTavares 3 роки тому +408

    My baton has been an effective deterrent. During the lockdown my girl and I were feeding stray dogs at night. Three guys in a car saw her went few meters ahead and stopped. I got out my baton and stood near her. They got out of the car, saw me with the baton and sat back in. I think a good self defense weapon is one which you don't have to use

    • @michaelmaston4702
      @michaelmaston4702 2 роки тому +20

      ...but can be used if necessary.

    • @drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438
      @drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438 2 роки тому +22

      Your mistake was feeding the worthless stray dogs. They didn't defend you.

    • @Magodaparty
      @Magodaparty 2 роки тому +3

      A nunchaku can intimidate a lot more
      But it's a lot harder to learn how to use it properly

    • @dabo5078
      @dabo5078 2 роки тому +1

      If they are there to murk you they would most certainly carry a gun and a baton ain’t going to deter them. I’d rather have a gun in those scenario.

    • @legionofgod6691
      @legionofgod6691 2 роки тому +15

      @@Magodaparty try showing off them Nun chuck moves and you’ll end up walking yourself 😂😂

  • @MP-db9sw
    @MP-db9sw 5 років тому +492

    STOP BEATING UP YOUR FRIEND WITH THE BATON 😂

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  5 років тому +24

      I busted him all up with it. Some of it got cut out haha.

    • @angryagain68
      @angryagain68 4 роки тому +1

      It's fair. His bud got even with that cable whip.

    • @squid0013
      @squid0013 4 роки тому

      Maybe he needed some suppression lol

    • @JohnSmith09123
      @JohnSmith09123 4 роки тому +1

      @gregtubez so he was a standard patrol officer for 8 years and his experience is most likely the initial training and annual in service training, and nothing really further than that in regard to departmental training?

    • @trumpyourdaddy2277
      @trumpyourdaddy2277 4 роки тому

      So it does work.

  • @NHX610
    @NHX610 2 місяці тому +2

    Retired cop here..I carried several different kinds of collapsible batons for 27 years..the only time I ever used them was in my patrol car to reach over and adjust the air vents on the passenger side.

  • @darrylatkins5049
    @darrylatkins5049 Рік тому +34

    "A threat doesn't stop being a threat until it had been completely stopped" If somebody attacks you with anything, even hands and fists, there is a chance they will kill you. Too much of a chance to take. You shouldn't be concerned with what occurs to someone who is trying to take your life

    • @NoName-mi8js
      @NoName-mi8js 9 місяців тому +3

      Wow, an anime quote, followed up with a misunderstanding of the law.
      As much as I like the idea of just killing everyone that takes a swing at you, that is in fact, not allowed.
      Reasonable force.

    • @l0sts0ul89
      @l0sts0ul89 3 місяці тому

      @@NoName-mi8js What anime? if you could name it id love to watch it also... reasonable force doesn't matter when your life is at risk, how are you gonna say a baton is bad but in the US guns are allowed in most states

    • @echol8087
      @echol8087 Місяць тому

      @@l0sts0ul89 But it does matter, legally. A lot of states have a escalation of force law. If someone raises fists, immediately going for a knife, a baton, or a gun, and using them, can land you in prison, especially if the person dies. I know a lot of people will say, "Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" and consider that reasonable force in any circumstance, but it doesn't work that way.
      I had a friend who tried to STOP a fist fight between two other guys get sucker punched by one of the guys friends, hit his head on the concrete, and now he has trouble talking and thinking clearly. So I understand, personally, the want to NOT let that happen to me and the WANT to draw on someone in a fist fight. But the law doesn't see it that way.

  • @GiDD504
    @GiDD504 4 роки тому +879

    Isn’t a self defense tool something to hurt the person?

    • @ColdNorth0628
      @ColdNorth0628 4 роки тому +59

      Technically yes. Any tool is for self defense but everyone just ouright uses to smack people.

    • @mindsstalker
      @mindsstalker 4 роки тому +6

      NO

    • @fulibiesagain6918
      @fulibiesagain6918 4 роки тому +143

      What kind of self defense do you practice? The gentle kind?

    • @Argonnosi
      @Argonnosi 4 роки тому +14

      @@mindsstalker If the tool isn't a shield or not being there, must be a weapon. If weapon, designed to hurt/kill people.

    • @thedon3836
      @thedon3836 4 роки тому +21

      No, defence is the shields (or body armour for example) primary purpose to protect against incoming attacks. The sword or mace(in this case baton because let's face it baton and mace are just fancy words for fancy clubs) are for offence delivering damage to incapacitate or kill an enemy. Yes either or can be used for their oppisite intentions from which they were intended. but it's the primary purpose either was made for that should classify it as either a defencive tool or an offencive tool after all that is what it will be best at. Clubs, guns ,tazers swords, knifes, pepper spray these are all personal offence tool or "weapons". Understand Offence or the threat of it is also in its self a form of defence because it can discourage potential assailants from attempting to attack. And when attacked it may be nessasarry to meet the incoming attack and retaliate to it in order to insure your continuing personal safety which is what everyone is really talking about when they talk about "self defence" really it's a conversation about "personal safety" and what levels of "offencive measures" and "defence messures" are warranted to maintain it.

  • @michaelstythax137
    @michaelstythax137 5 років тому +799

    The only problem with having a baton is not having another baton for dual weilded maximum beat down capacity.

    • @anxiousclan176
      @anxiousclan176 5 років тому +73

      Michael Stythax that’s stupid, you have to duct tape duel wielding batons to your duel wielding batons for maximum force

    • @ninjaneil902
      @ninjaneil902 5 років тому +61

      And to totally maximize it, duck tape a pair on each foot, now your round house kicks will have extended reach!

    • @anxiousclan176
      @anxiousclan176 5 років тому +20

      SageAir13 Now we need extended baton armor

    • @michaelstythax137
      @michaelstythax137 5 років тому +21

      @@anxiousclan176 Lord of bones type armour of batons, and with enough duck tape and batons we could also make a baton dragon to ride into da streetz

    • @anxiousclan176
      @anxiousclan176 5 років тому +14

      Michael Stythax An expandable baton dragon, what about A Baton princess

  • @Engineerboy100
    @Engineerboy100 Рік тому +2

    I was considering carrying a baton on my walks for Coyotes no people. What are your thoughts on this if one comes too close? Thanks for your comments in advance.

    • @picashlio3361
      @picashlio3361 11 місяців тому +2

      I use mine for aggressive dogs. It works great.

  • @gamesthatmatter9374
    @gamesthatmatter9374 10 місяців тому +5

    i used one against an pitbull ... he latched on my leg and hit him 2 times on the head . i cracked the pitbull skull and left it bleeding on the road his brains visible ... it saved my leg.

  • @scootermagic
    @scootermagic 5 років тому +481

    Better than nothing. Would prefer this in my hand against a edged weapon or another blunt object if I did not have a firearm.

    • @punisher7772
      @punisher7772 5 років тому +57

      Agree. This is what you use against another weapon.

    • @podjo2k9
      @podjo2k9 5 років тому +1

      Definitely I have one

    • @jimmyleblanc5372
      @jimmyleblanc5372 5 років тому +40

      And in some situations a weapon like this is the only practical legal alternative to being unarmed

    • @Mikesullin
      @Mikesullin 5 років тому +27

      Ryde_JA Agree 100%. If you had to fight someone with a knife empty hand, your getting jacked up no matter what, if you have a baton, your in pretty good shap

    • @AstralS7orm
      @AstralS7orm 5 років тому +8

      @@Mikesullin You're getting jacked when equipped a baton too, unless it's a shitty stupid duel. Don't get into duels.
      People will rarely back down when hit with a baton (as opposed, say, getting faceful of pepper spray) and it's as hard to keep distance or strike effectively with one of these as unarmed. And the weapon locks an untrained user into dangerous swings which open you to knife stabs everywhere if the attacker just takes a hit. It's the equivalent of wild haymakers.

  • @dominickstewart433
    @dominickstewart433 Рік тому +345

    Batons are the step between nonlethal force and using guns. I approve

    • @tonyperez4713
      @tonyperez4713 Рік тому

      Taser.

    • @aandyherr817
      @aandyherr817 Рік тому +15

      @@tonyperez4713 Soft hands, Hard hands, Chemical, Taser, Baton, Firearm.
      Taser is generally less-lethal than a baton, but Taser is better than nothing, and better than hitting or killing someone... but it's best to have a baton in between that gun and taser.
      Would you rather just shoot someone dead OR hit them twice with a baton and live? ... One is minor injury, the other is they are killed by you. Think hard.

    • @FormallyKoki
      @FormallyKoki Рік тому +19

      @@aandyherr817 a taser can actually cause cardiac arrest and people with pacemakers will die from tasers. Most security guards aren’t allowed to carry tasers because of that.

    • @darrylatkins5049
      @darrylatkins5049 Рік тому +3

      ​@@FormallyKoki This is a lie people use to try and help criminals out. This isn't how they work

    • @darrylatkins5049
      @darrylatkins5049 Рік тому +1

      ​@Koki also I'm a security guard and we have less restrictions than police do. Police don't really carry them anymore and it's because they are usually ineffective and we are in the midst of a Fentanyl epidemic

  • @spencerbrotherson9061
    @spencerbrotherson9061 4 місяці тому +1

    I carried one of those as an MP in the early 2000's. The only time I had to use it was when I had a really drunk guy being belligerent and trying to take my sidearm out of my holster while I was trying to detain him. It was a retention holster, so the chances of a guy that inebriated actually getting the firearm free were pretty low, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. He got a fractured elbow. I honestly missed my mark... I was aiming for his upper arm, but he flinched when he saw it coming and pulled his arm up, so he got a trip to the hospital before he was taken to the base detention facility until his 1SG could come get him. I got recommended for an award for taking a guy off the road that was well past 2x the legal limit for drunk driving, and he got his arm in a sling for a while and a suspended license. For what it's worth, I warned him, and then I only swung once. I can see how these things could easily be overused in a stressful situation, but when used with restraint they can be really effective at stopping inappropriate behavior.

  • @roystout9276
    @roystout9276 Рік тому +1

    The crossed arms grab with the baton behind the achilles heel is a great way to get compliance.
    I totally agree everything u say about the baton, rarely works as intended… it works a little as a intimidating method, but quickly becomes a kind of clumsy liability once a suspect commits to fighting u…
    Ive always wondered why its never been combined with something like a stungun at the end tip

  • @metrosidearm4728
    @metrosidearm4728 3 роки тому +527

    My friend used one to protect herself from a guy who assaulted her. After she was pushed to the ground, she pulled it out & hit the guy across the knee, that gave her a chance to get away.

    • @HeisLeg3nd
      @HeisLeg3nd 3 роки тому +2

      Metro Sidearm where’d she have it? Her purse or?

    • @franktaylor5464
      @franktaylor5464 3 роки тому +31

      Sounds like bullshit

    • @Handsomeguy-kj2jg
      @Handsomeguy-kj2jg 3 роки тому +23

      Frank Taylor sounds easily possible tho, it gives the user a way to cause more damage to defend themselves better. Yes it can be taken away, so can a knife and gun albeit not as easily.

    • @ericsalidbar1693
      @ericsalidbar1693 3 роки тому +7

      The reason we're calling bullshit is You need some good leverage to expand it. When you're wrestled on the ground is not easily opened. And we know from experience using this. And this is probably why op hasn't replied cause they know it's bullshit as most of us with a go-go-good brain call bullshit

    • @calebharris7568
      @calebharris7568 3 роки тому +10

      @@ericsalidbar1693 they said pushed to the ground, not wrestled on the ground. If someone pushes you onto the ground and stands over you, I’m sure you could pull out a baton and whack someone on the knee with it.

  • @gremlintatua800
    @gremlintatua800 4 роки тому +538

    I live in the UK and recently had someone trying to attack me with a knife lucky enough I had my telescopic baton with me me as soon as I pulled it out he ran away so for me it did it's job well by preventing something serious happened!!

    • @mrsentencename7334
      @mrsentencename7334 4 роки тому +14

      I was thinking about buying one for this exact reason. Can you link me the one you have and also is it legal to carry?

    • @mrsentencename7334
      @mrsentencename7334 4 роки тому +34

      Pierre LeDouche I live in uk so it’s probably illegal but there’s too many violent hungry people Walking around with knifes now to risk it

    • @Jack-ux1ow
      @Jack-ux1ow 4 роки тому

      Can I ask what job you do in the UK?

    • @razvanstan1243
      @razvanstan1243 4 роки тому +2

      @@mrsentencename7334 search ExB-18hs
      Most durable and legal

    • @Forkuh
      @Forkuh 4 роки тому +8

      Telescopic batons are classed as offensive weapons in the UK and thus illegal to carry.

  • @R_Euphrates
    @R_Euphrates 13 днів тому

    I know I'm a little late to the game, but it's genuinely refreshing to see someone talking about *responsibe* use of force

  • @nunyabitnezz2802
    @nunyabitnezz2802 Рік тому +2

    It worked every time I used it, on people and animals.
    You break a knee, the guy goes down. You hit the hand, he drops what he’s holding.
    You smack the attacking dog in the side of the head, it wanders off and dies.
    I don’t agree with using it for complicated kata holds, because no one practices them.
    That’s my anecdote.

  • @aceeonpoint9448
    @aceeonpoint9448 4 роки тому +727

    Oh I thought he was going to say it’s not effective...
    Now I’m definitely buying one.

    • @destro25official77
      @destro25official77 4 роки тому +3

      Where i can bye one

    • @MustLoveTrucks
      @MustLoveTrucks 4 роки тому +7

      @@destro25official77 on his website.

    • @aceeonpoint9448
      @aceeonpoint9448 4 роки тому +2

      @@destro25official77 there is this European website that sells the best quality ones. If you look up best quality batons on UA-cam there should be a link in one of those videos.

    • @Indy.lam351
      @Indy.lam351 4 роки тому +2

      I got One

    • @Indy.lam351
      @Indy.lam351 4 роки тому

      DESTRO 25 Official eBay

  • @KondorDCS
    @KondorDCS 3 роки тому +1529

    This is not a tool, this is a weapon....yeah, THAT'S WHY I'm carrying it.

    • @St.FighterZ
      @St.FighterZ 3 роки тому +134

      This dudes weird. Batons are great weapons. It would be great for dog defence too instead of a walking stick or mace.

    • @KondorDCS
      @KondorDCS 3 роки тому +48

      @@St.FighterZ It's good against dogs, but only use it against people if you are very proficient with it, otherwise if your opponent is even somewhat skilled in CQC, then if you swing the baton around then he is going to kick your ass.
      I found out that it's best to use a telescopic baton as a STABBING weapon, not as a swinging/impact weapon.
      It's tip is blunt so there is little chance of it causing severe injury that could lead to death, and trust me when I say it....IT fucking hurts like hell when you are stabbed in the stomach with it.

    • @zencreed6519
      @zencreed6519 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah your right

    • @abdullahalmehedi5758
      @abdullahalmehedi5758 3 роки тому +6

      Sir,
      What's the name of this tool. And from where i can buy this?
      Please tell me

    • @sergiotl7378
      @sergiotl7378 3 роки тому +13

      @@abdullahalmehedi5758 They are illegal in some countries. Check out your local laws before trying to buy one.

  • @tyzardoz
    @tyzardoz 3 місяці тому +1

    I was trained in straight baton by a fellow named Jan Kreavelt (sp?). He was the chief training instructor at the Aylmer police college. Jan was responsible for Toronto police giving up the tonfa in favor of the straight baton. With proper training a straight baton is a very effective "weapon". If I'm pushed into a position where I need to resort to using this weapon I will gladly use it to the best of my ability and face whatever legal reprocusions come my way. I was very proficient with it way back in the day.. I'm old now so I'm slower 😑 Now I prefer to keep the bad guys at a further distance.. Aerosols are my new favorite.

  • @3of6mylove
    @3of6mylove Рік тому

    I don't know why this was in my recommendations, but it's pretty cute how the kid in the background just innocently plays while you discuss assault and police brutality. Very wholesome.

  • @samuraicupcake289
    @samuraicupcake289 2 роки тому +119

    I can see a number of pros to using this weapon, even though I never have myself:
    -Easily carried, portable, light
    -Threatening sound and movement when deployed. Sometimes that's enough to deter an attacker.
    -Has a nasty reputation. Yeah, it can be used to really wreck someone. It can be scary. Even if technically proven a bad weapon.
    -Longer range than a knife and less risk of lethal injury on the target.
    -As other have stated, if aimed properly it can be an ideal disarming weapon. If it breaks a wrist it may even disable a threat completely, giving you time to call 911 or run away.
    -If someone is charging at you, a sidestep followed by a sharp blow to the leg can cripple your attacker, making them regret their choices, without risk of lethal injury.
    -Other uses aside from as a weapon. Can break glass or snap a tree branch.
    -Can fend off a dog or wild animal. Getting a bladed weapon stuck in one might result in you getting bit, which is really bad if they are rabid.
    -Probably faster to deploy than pepperspray or a tazer, though either have their advantages over a baton.
    -Can potentially knock out an opponent, though IRL its not like in movies and may result in severe permanent injury. Though that is acceptable in some mugging or house defense scenarios.
    Probably not something to use against a simply aggressive/unruly/drunk person and I agree on the bit about cops abusing it. I can seriously f**k someone up, send people to the hospital and incur lawsuits, whereas mace/tazers won't. But against an _armed_ opponent it seems like a weapon of choice. Fast, threatening, effective, reaching, disabling and disarming.

    • @DaHuntsman1
      @DaHuntsman1 Рік тому +25

      like i say, half of self defense is presentation, if you can present yourself in a way that shows potential aggressors that you aren't someone to fuck around with, it will dissuade any assaults/muggings. whipping out a baton is one such way of doing that by showing you have a weapon and are willing to use it, but avoiding the potential pitfalls that pulling a gun might have (for example if you are in a crowded situation where bringing a gun into that situation could lead to collateral damage, or might not actually be allowed either socially or legally)

    • @HibsMax
      @HibsMax Рік тому +16

      @@DaHuntsman1 not to mention that drawing a gun means you could get popped by another good guy with a gun who misidentifies YOU as the threat.

    • @FernBlackwood1995
      @FernBlackwood1995 Рік тому +1

      Y’all are taking the words right out of my mouth. It’s the truth.

    • @graveyj2000
      @graveyj2000 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, I think I agree with all the comments and not this guy, on this one. I have been researching the collapsible baton because I have been taking kick boxing and stick fighting classes for about a year and a half, and am getting reasonably good with the Kali sticks that I would likely be able to defend against someone who had a knife. I will never be good enough with a knife to defend against a knife-and it looks like nobody really is. I figure a collapsible baton should be a decent stand-in for a kali stick. :)

    • @echol8087
      @echol8087 Місяць тому +1

      @@graveyj2000 And don't discount the kali stick if you have nothing else left lol. Getting smashed by one of those HURTS. Not as much as a baton, but still.

  • @erickruckenberg8716
    @erickruckenberg8716 4 роки тому +716

    Sorry dude. Its the closest thing we have to feeling like a Jedi in a fight, and its force is strong.

    • @mikesmith5466
      @mikesmith5466 4 роки тому +5

      Fuck ya party on

    • @p4n1k49
      @p4n1k49 4 роки тому +1

      should make a pig skewer with it

    • @nealtunnell7615
      @nealtunnell7615 4 роки тому +16

      I wish it has a tazer on the end so you could feel like a magnaguard

    • @enzor9923
      @enzor9923 4 роки тому +1

      I TOUGHT THE SAME THING

    • @QuartzIsAnOxide
      @QuartzIsAnOxide 4 роки тому +3

      Ya but it's to short to use the superior fighting style: Form 2, Makashi

  • @AlbaHistory
    @AlbaHistory 8 місяців тому +1

    So what would you replace it with im curious because in the UK police don't have firearms so they only have a baton and for some police they have a taser aswell so if they don't have a baton what would replace it.

  • @flat4-
    @flat4- 2 місяці тому +1

    Even a baton is illegal in Belgium but I still carry one if needed. There is always one hidden in my car, backpack or pants pocket.

  • @FuelTheConqueror
    @FuelTheConqueror 3 роки тому +880

    Batons don't work.
    *Swings lightly at partner*
    Partner: Backs away to avoid

    • @brandonkey181
      @brandonkey181 3 роки тому +72

      I could swing a small tree branch at a guy and he'd flinch. It's this thing called a reflex.

    • @joshuasmith1215
      @joshuasmith1215 3 роки тому +100

      @@brandonkey181 yeah well the baton is easier to carry than the branch so...

    • @Zurtle1
      @Zurtle1 3 роки тому +2

      Exactly

    • @GenesisXTRM
      @GenesisXTRM 3 роки тому +15

      @@brandonkey181 Here's a question....WHY is it a reflex?

    • @brandonkey181
      @brandonkey181 3 роки тому +14

      @@GenesisXTRM because fast moving objects are dangerous

  • @sideshowbilly3755
    @sideshowbilly3755 2 роки тому +323

    Although not used as a weapon in this case, the baton has successfully been used countless times by officers and civilians alike to bust out car windows saving trapped or unconscious victims. Not to mention the baton's use of "extracting" non-compliant suspects from their cars.
    I myself have used a baton to successfully defend against wild dogs attacking me while trail running. You wont see me giving mine up any time soon.

    • @ManifestingADream
      @ManifestingADream Рік тому +2

      why? isn't it easier to just break a window with the grip of your gun? the baton is simply not practical for those use cases

    • @supahcomix
      @supahcomix Рік тому +42

      @@ManifestingADream and risk a misfire? No fuckin way

    • @ManifestingADream
      @ManifestingADream Рік тому +10

      @@supahcomix your're right, it might be easier to just fire a round through the window instead. good thinking

    • @SpaceEmperorGenos
      @SpaceEmperorGenos Рік тому +10

      @@ManifestingADream your name has to take the cake for the most ironic i've ever seen on the internet

    • @bodyno3158
      @bodyno3158 Рік тому +8

      @@ManifestingADream These days some baton comes with a tip that embeded with a carbide glass breaker. A small life tip: hit the glass at the higher corner when you are trying to break car window.

  • @danman6612
    @danman6612 11 місяців тому +5

    Reality check: You're not going to worry about the law while someone is stabbing you. That's just not going to happen. The wrestler Bruiser Brody and UFC fighter Maiquel Falcao were both stabbed to death, even though they had exceptional fighting ability, and that's because there's no martial art that offers solid, reliable knife defense. I don't care what martial art you do, I don't care if you're a black belt or not, if you're up against a knife, you are at a severe disadvantage. Even the U.S. military teach you to run away from a knife attacker. A flashlight and baton combo are most definitely reliable tools for self-protection if a gun isn't an option.

    • @echol8087
      @echol8087 Місяць тому +1

      This. I train is Muay Thai and Kali. My kali instructor straight up says to run if you see a knife. And if you can't run, or you have your family / children with you you need to protect, then have something on you, like a firearm (if legal in your area), mace, flashlight, baton, or something, to try and defend yourself you. BUT, know that you're going to get cut either way and perhaps die.

  • @stevehaynes2857
    @stevehaynes2857 Рік тому +2

    I was a UK cop for 26 years. Started off with a wooden truncheon and later an asp extendable baton. When you serve the public and face people who want to seriously hurt you, then you can decide if this useful tool should be banned.

  • @tjsnaps
    @tjsnaps 3 роки тому +282

    As someone who has worked as security guard who's only means of self defense was a baton I will say this. 1 on one occasion I successfully defended myself against a tire iron. 2 there were many times I stopped an attack just by pulling the thing. Sure they kept on talking tough but they did it while backing up.

    • @trendsetta6411
      @trendsetta6411 2 роки тому +37

      I am a night club bouncer 7 yrs, and I’ve successfully used my baton on numerous occasions to deter silly drunks, and Also successfully defended myself as well as others by physically using it…

    • @nunyabi5953
      @nunyabi5953 Рік тому +9

      Yeah. Idk if he just has an issue with cops or what but I have no idea how someone’s gonna say that a long metal stick s not a good weapon. Range and force. That’s like saying a bat isnt a good weapon. Ummmm yes tf it is

  • @jsocks1984
    @jsocks1984 3 роки тому +317

    I’ve been in law-enforcement for 15 years, and Baton worked great for me. Made for a great back scratcher, picking up snakes or moving nasty things I don’t wanna touch. Oh I was supposed to hit people with it, yeah never happen.

    • @lecobra418
      @lecobra418 3 роки тому +1

      You should come to West Baltimore then.

    • @joejoeington6899
      @joejoeington6899 3 роки тому +3

      That’s actually kinda useful sounding though

    • @thethree60five
      @thethree60five 3 роки тому +4

      Good reply.
      But I have to ask you honestly, as you are the professional in confrontations by likely sheer number of experience.
      _If_ a baton is weapon where it is clearly not for self defensive, and is dangerously offensive on many levels from legality, concealment, and assault charge more likely because one is using said offensive weapon....
      Does this not make it the ultimate deterant?
      Did you have to draw it ever, or had you felt it did have some deterant factor for compliance?
      I realize of course one should not carry anything they are not willing to use, and applied to carrying an offensive weapon, that is an issue.
      But still, isn't there a 'fear of the bâton' that it does work for a deterant of action?
      If you had to reach for a weapon, (assuming the other is unarmed) would it not be better to shift policing away from deadly force of a gun to choosing an effective offensive weapon?
      ('Charline horses', break a hand finger, or forearm.)
      Would this not be better than straight to the Colt, for death avoidance?

    • @jsocks1984
      @jsocks1984 3 роки тому +11

      @@thethree60five from my experience and being around other law enforcement officers from around the country, baton does not deter people. Also if it reached a point where I had to draw and use a firearm the time to wound the person has past.

    • @thethree60five
      @thethree60five 3 роки тому +2

      @@jsocks1984
      Thanks for the reply.
      I appreciate that. I am honestly curious and you seem to be the right person to ask.
      That's the point I was trying to get at as well, at what point could they be used, or as you said, it has already escalated past that.
      British Police where they don't carry guns and there isn't as much 'gun culture' or gun violent clashes with police, seem to use it as a deterrent. Totally different situation of course, I am just a little surprised that it isn't seen as more of a deterrent.
      So in your opinion should officers or all officers be given them?
      What _is_ the point then, in the training/carry ?

  • @horizonblack
    @horizonblack 9 місяців тому +1

    I would like to thank you for stating how useless batons are. It means that I am a little less likely to face them in the future.

  • @chik3nTendies
    @chik3nTendies 8 місяців тому +2

    I have a small collapsible baton that I carry on my belt. Got involved into a physical altercation with a very aggressive person that was much bigger and stringer than me. As soon as he pushed me, I pulled out my baton and he immediately backed up and left. Batons work, even when you don't need to use it. If you can carry a baton, I recommend you do

  • @forbro8301
    @forbro8301 3 роки тому +85

    This video single-handedly sparked more sales in expandable batons than any other advertisement ever.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  3 роки тому +5

      And hasn't yielded any evidence of the baton's usefulness...

    • @tangerinetech5300
      @tangerinetech5300 2 роки тому +12

      @@hard2hurt theres literally stories in the comments at this point of people successfully defending themselves with a baton. Your a joke if you need some statistic to tell you large heavy weapon is good for defense and offense. Have you ever seen a fight. People like to pick up stuff and swing it at the person, and it usually pretty effective. Oh but excuse me oh great wise one only you can say if they work or not. Waste of human.

    • @OsirisMawn
      @OsirisMawn 2 роки тому +2

      @@tangerinetech5300 saltminer42 has spoken

    • @jaymstergms3596
      @jaymstergms3596 2 роки тому

      That's true on my account at least if anything this vid convinced me to buy one.......... Or is that what he wanted

    • @brendanforde5078
      @brendanforde5078 2 роки тому

      @@tangerinetech5300 like me was a security guard for bars and had real street fights with gangs I have stories about effectively defending against guns, batons, knifes and glass bottles. Using boxing, Jeet kune do and wing chun techniques, karate techniques and jiu jitsu and especially krav maga techniques which actually uses alot of things from all of the above.
      This prat and his friend have proven nothing like I said in my own long comments to him he should get his friend to hit him full force or hit himself full force or hell he should pick a legit fight with an actual police officer armed with a baton see how effective it is in real combat when your actually been properly hit, or choked or jabbed in the eyes, neck with it. These fake UA-cam fighters and mcdojos can talk all the shit they want until they are been literally smacked to death with it and the person's actually trying to hurt you. What made me laugh too was he was doing proper techniques or using to do grappels but the way he was doing them in an effective self defense way was completely off and clearly uneducated. He was not showing what you have to do once you have them in a choke lock or arm lock with it using it as leverage to push the arm down and takedown with then following that through with hits to face, stomach and head proper self defense you wanna do with a baton not do the shit he does it this crap video. Trying to say batons don't work is like saying a hook punch, finger jab to the throat or elbow strike to the face or kick to the shin or head or ribs or even arm lock and arm bar or bo staff or sword don't work absolute bullshit artist. Should stick to their little dojo sparing and point system competition fighting with their rules and legalized fighting with a ring and referee and crowds to cheer and boo them instead of making fake claims about weapons developed for self defense and has been used for decades by police and military. Stupid to even make such a claim. Especially when they are challenging people to call them out on it I did that and so many actual police officers, security guards, military and self defense martial artist have all throughout the comment section complete bull shitters. They should try underground bare knuckle like I've done it's barely any rules and it's illegal see if they last then, Soon learn which martial arts and which self defense techniques and weapons works then. Or go train to with military or police I had police and army cadets training with me in both my Jeet kune do and krav maga dojos because those are effective martial arts. all these MMA fighters forget Bruce Lee created the first MMA fighting style. Also karate, wing Chun, Kung Fu and alot of traditional martial arts are literally copied from to create their modern Martial arts.

  • @lordofallweebs5821
    @lordofallweebs5821 4 роки тому +107

    I'm gonna be honest, I thought you're actually supposed to use it that way. If someone attacked me, i would pull out a "defense tool" and beat them relentlessly until they either fell unconscious or gave up. I figure it's still better that stabbing them or something

    • @raymondmaglaris4149
      @raymondmaglaris4149 4 роки тому +2

      I like push daggers for street fights , never had to use them but with certain types of push daggers it would be impossible to disarm you , and if youre up against 5 thugs , if you stick one or two the fights over

    • @michal_havlicek
      @michal_havlicek 4 роки тому +7

      Agree. The most effective self defense is a couter-strike. Like what the hell am i supposed to do? Deflect punches until they give up?

    • @raymondmaglaris4149
      @raymondmaglaris4149 4 роки тому +10

      @Coni Glione youre naive. Choosing to be unprepared is fine , but in real life people doe if theyre unprepared

    • @xaviergarcia7965
      @xaviergarcia7965 4 роки тому +9

      Coni Glione Well, people attack other people all the time for no reason. You haven’t given a iota of evidence that it doesn’t happened, and I’ve personally seen it happen, so. 🤷‍♂️

    • @raymondmaglaris4149
      @raymondmaglaris4149 4 роки тому +5

      @Coni Glione how about chicago , pretty much a warzone people die every night

  • @gjfwang
    @gjfwang Рік тому +1

    What about all those countries where cops don’t have guns but only armed with batons?

  • @terriblepeople
    @terriblepeople Місяць тому +2

    man pulls knife. you pull baton. you defend your self with baton. baton works.

  • @BIGWOOD3160
    @BIGWOOD3160 4 роки тому +124

    LET ME TELL YOU having worked in prison for 30 yrs I've used pepper spray knee knockers side handle batons, this expandable baton has saved many officers from an inmate with a shank and OH YA I CARRY ONE DAILY. SO WHY ONLY 8 YRS

    • @danbeck6654
      @danbeck6654 4 роки тому +18

      I absolutely agree. I've been a cop for 40+ years. Retired but still work special duty assignments. I started with a 23" wood baton. I loved it. The baton is not a "beat into submission" weapon. It is used in addition to other self defense strategies. Create distance, intimidation, holds and take-downs. On duty my last 20 years I carried an ASP 19" steel collapsible. Thank you Bigwood 360 for your service. (I have to ask, is "Bigwood" have some special meaning??)

    • @BIGWOOD3160
      @BIGWOOD3160 4 роки тому +7

      @@danbeck6654 Retired Sgt, the white inmates were considered woods or peckerwoods, I was knick named BIG WOOD by the other races so it just stuck and I had no problem with it

    • @danbeck6654
      @danbeck6654 4 роки тому +5

      I had to chuckle. I figured there was a story behind the name. Thanks again for your service.

    • @BIGWOOD3160
      @BIGWOOD3160 4 роки тому +4

      @@danbeck6654 You to brother 👍👍

    • @ryans6309
      @ryans6309 4 роки тому +2

      I retractable staff would be far more effective for self defensive and deescalation. Learn to be better than out dated shit traditions

  • @TotalSmashTV
    @TotalSmashTV 2 роки тому +72

    The dude's initial statement literally explained why it is a self defense weapon. LOL

  • @ASPextra
    @ASPextra Рік тому

    Dude. Great video. Thanks for making it!

  • @tkahoa7tkahoa668
    @tkahoa7tkahoa668 Рік тому

    i just want to know the variables that make it illegal. like is swinging a baton, and hitting them in the head illegal? (yet effective) i just don’t understand. i don’t see myself trying to pull a baton out after i get someone on the ground either, in a “self defense” scenario. Just wondering.

  • @Harrier_DuBois
    @Harrier_DuBois 4 роки тому +246

    If you look at historical weapons, almost every melee weapon is characterised as basically being a kin to a big stick; usually pointy at the end, but not always (maces, quarterstaffs). A stick can be used to deflect incoming strikes, much better than using your hands if defending against other melee weapons, and it also provides a reach advantage compared to fists. A baton seems a pretty reasonable extension of ones abilities, a power multiplier.

    • @crackerjackmattmilsim3052
      @crackerjackmattmilsim3052 4 роки тому +18

      I was thinking the same. Force multiplier. Plus it technically isn’t lethal compared to a gun. Is it as effective as a gun? No.

    • @skylark7921
      @skylark7921 4 роки тому +15

      Exactly. The whole point of melee weapons is to enhance what you already have. Yeah, you can lock someone without a baton, if you know the technique. Add a baton and you’re now twice as capable of disabling the threat. If using a non lethal melee weapon doesn’t up your game, you’re shit at martial arts to begin with.

    • @santiagocortez9554
      @santiagocortez9554 3 роки тому +1

      I'm so happy I bought one

    • @skylark7921
      @skylark7921 3 роки тому +5

      Brandon most common was probably a quarter staff, spear, or axe. Def spear was very common. Maces not so much since their greatest use was against full plate (typical fantasy knight armor), and a commoner wasn’t likely to come up against a warrior who could afford full plate. As for swords, well crafted ones, such as the Norse Ulfbert, were indeed very pricy, but I believe you could get a kind of shitty one for a decent price. Not everyone walked around with swords, but they were easily one of the most popular weapons for self defense - if you were going to be traveling or something, you might bring a sword with for protection.

    • @joesimon8479
      @joesimon8479 3 роки тому +1

      If someone pulls a knife it can be used to attack the hand or arm.

  • @Semi-Orphanatic
    @Semi-Orphanatic 4 роки тому +169

    1:16 “never seen the baton work as intended” cuts to a small child 😂😂😂

    • @TheClinchMagazine
      @TheClinchMagazine 4 роки тому

      😬

    • @lycossurfer8851
      @lycossurfer8851 4 роки тому +1

      I was expecting the kid to jump up and start going midevil on a teddy bear with one

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  4 роки тому +7

      @infections 84 I once picked up a headboard from a bed and used it to stop a guy from beating my partner with a metal spatula. That doesn't mean it would be smart to start carring around furniture.

    • @AzureScintillae
      @AzureScintillae 4 роки тому +1

      These batons work on a situation that is to protect yourself from a knife assault, guns can work in that situation but can possibly hit someone else in the crossfire.
      But of course weapons are weapons, in some hands it would go fatally injure or kill someone like what he stated.
      That is how weapons are though, a way to get an advantage on a fight and consequences will always exist.
      Weapons like that can be restricted on some ranks or places where irrational and low iq people tend to do violence like the guy he exampled.
      It is debatable though, I’m not straight up cancel culture him or even you. Just hearing rational opinions out and sharing my opinions about this topic.

    • @cwheels01
      @cwheels01 4 роки тому +3

      @@hard2hurt Of course not, headboards are far too large to be practical for EDC.
      A baton, on the other hand...

  • @enlightenedtrucker739
    @enlightenedtrucker739 Рік тому +2

    If someone is trying to harm me or people I care about. I'll worry about the blue circle afterwards.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому

      If they are trying to harm you, you are already in the blue circle lol... its the other circle that you're worried about.

    • @enlightenedtrucker739
      @enlightenedtrucker739 Рік тому

      @@hard2hurt Based on the fact you nearly broke your buddy's nose just playing around with it. I would say it's effective?

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому

      @enlightenedtrucker on a person standing around not fighting back? Lol you are not good at this.

    • @enlightenedtrucker739
      @enlightenedtrucker739 Рік тому

      @@hard2hurt I love your content Mike and I do respect the fact you've clearly been in some violent situations and not some random "self defence" UA-camr.
      But I can't seem to rationalise that if you had 2 people, same training, same physical make up. The person without the "weapon" as you called it would come out better off.
      Obviously that wasn't the point of the video. The video was about police using them.
      My question would be in a self defence scenario, say against a knife, would it be effective or would you recommend something else?
      After fundamental striking and grappling skills, and also given the fact you can't easily aquire guns in this part of the world?
      Yes I have a big arse torch, and the I haven't tried the funny steel whip thing.

  • @supersentaiguy
    @supersentaiguy 4 роки тому +434

    If someone comes at me I’ll use whatever I need to in order to defend myself.

    • @jerrymartin7019
      @jerrymartin7019 4 роки тому +73

      @Coni Glione
      Truly you are a master wordsmith. Your intellectualism is an inspiration to us all.

    • @stock2896
      @stock2896 4 роки тому +22

      @Coni Glione don't challenge people boi. Even normal people can become violent and all defensive if they feel like their life is in threat.

    • @oddish4352
      @oddish4352 3 роки тому +19

      It's better than bare hands, certainly. My question is, is there a better alternative. This guy hasn't presented one, not in this video anyway.

    • @Vincent-xy5eg
      @Vincent-xy5eg 3 роки тому

      Yeah japaneses know that

    • @1percentmilk675
      @1percentmilk675 3 роки тому +1

      And go to jail dumbass

  • @darkfangulas
    @darkfangulas 4 роки тому +115

    “And I will demonstrate why” zooms into a baby

    • @aki6704
      @aki6704 4 роки тому

      😂😂

    • @sureokk
      @sureokk 4 роки тому

      @Darth Malgus toll paid

    • @o0XS
      @o0XS 4 роки тому

      Never Forget I Am The Fastest Man Alive!

    • @drdoom5516
      @drdoom5516 4 роки тому

      @@o0XS
      And I am the most powerful beeing in this universe!

    • @asura8495
      @asura8495 4 роки тому

      @@drdoom5516 and I am the most angry being in existance

  • @Sssquatch
    @Sssquatch Рік тому +3

    I work for animal control and a dog charged me today, second time I've had to use my bite stick and it was very effective!

  • @tigerpisces5506
    @tigerpisces5506 7 місяців тому +1

    My uncle liked carrying a black jack when he drove busses.

  • @BEARMC27
    @BEARMC27 4 роки тому +602

    Meanwhile in Hong Kong, the "Legal" circle and the "effective" circle overlaps perfectly.....

    • @jk7753
      @jk7753 4 роки тому +17

      It appears like If its effective its legal over there

    • @artkingdesingz94
      @artkingdesingz94 4 роки тому +3

      And in Russian

    • @trevor5468
      @trevor5468 4 роки тому +2

      Gabriel Chan hk police cut up a girl and threw her in the bay

    • @yaludhgroup2018
      @yaludhgroup2018 4 роки тому

      I don’t want things that are “legal” in Hong Kong to be legal in America. There is a cultural aspect as well Americans relationships with and feelings towards law enforcement is different from almost every in the world and the baton is most effective as psychological deterrent.

    • @trevor5468
      @trevor5468 4 роки тому

      @GazB85 www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3033079/new-campus-security-camera-clips-released-showing-movements

  • @JohnDoe-ce8hy
    @JohnDoe-ce8hy 4 роки тому +856

    Anything you can use to fend off an attacker is a self defense tool.

    • @veksone77
      @veksone77 4 роки тому +7

      What about when they're not attacking?

    • @animefreak122ist8
      @animefreak122ist8 4 роки тому +7

      The Hessian he literally says the exact words, this is not an effective self defense tool

    • @chikenmorris7170
      @chikenmorris7170 4 роки тому +10

      Oh ok, with that logic a grenade is a self defence tool then yeah, it’ll certainly stop someone from attacking you

    • @catlover1986
      @catlover1986 4 роки тому +25

      @@chikenmorris7170 I spent years in armed security. The Baton acted between my pepper spray and pistol.
      By the time you reach for a baton, your only other option is putting a .40 JHP in someone's face.
      I'd prefer to have that option. The Baton is good for creating distance between you and an attacker. It's a reliable way to take someone down, without executing them, in close quarters. I don't know about police work, but it's great for security.
      Whereas a firearm is "deadly force", a baton is only "deadly force" if used on the head, face or neck. Anywhere else and it's much easier to justify.

    • @Valscorn01
      @Valscorn01 4 роки тому +4

      The difference here is that for police as an example, they aren't trying to fend them off....... they are trying to subdue the suspect (and usually) arrest them.

  • @seanbaskett5506
    @seanbaskett5506 Місяць тому

    I went like 2 years thinking an ASP baton was an "ass baton". I had no idea

  • @scallan0601
    @scallan0601 Рік тому

    How do you feel about batons used in a correctional setting where fire arms can not be carried?

  • @theconsigliere5769
    @theconsigliere5769 3 роки тому +735

    "Its a weapon that you hurt people with"
    Thats the whole point of self defence, hurt the guy that wants to hurt you.

    • @theconsigliere5769
      @theconsigliere5769 3 роки тому +51

      @Molly Bason when i said hurt the guy that wants to hurt you
      I meant stop him from hurting you.
      You can stop him by inflicting pain.

    • @TheTrueDoomSlayer
      @TheTrueDoomSlayer 3 роки тому +37

      He doesn't understand that, he's rather think he's the end all be all on topics like this because he's a former cop. What a joke of an officer.

    • @TheTrueDoomSlayer
      @TheTrueDoomSlayer 3 роки тому +36

      @Molly Bason no, self defense isn't "removing yourself from a dangerous situation"
      That's called fleeing.
      Self-defense is literally about winning a fight, are you incompetent?

    • @theteddy1487
      @theteddy1487 3 роки тому +26

      @Molly Bason if you avoid conflict then you don't need self defense. Self defense is the act of physically stopping the threat. Removing yourself from the situation is safer but it isn't always an option.

    • @TheTrueDoomSlayer
      @TheTrueDoomSlayer 3 роки тому +13

      @Molly Bason you can't defend yourself from something that isn't attacking you. again fleeing and self-defense are two different things if you flee you don't have to defend If you defend that means you didn't flee or were unable to. Dude come on it's pretty simple any lawyer or officer or martial artist or MMA fighter or anyone that knows a hint about what self-defense actually is could tell you that

  • @techstuf4637
    @techstuf4637 2 роки тому +148

    Any simple to use, fast engagement, force multiplier can be an excellent self defense tool. This is certainly one of those. While this would currently rank pretty low on any well equipped police force's deployment protocol, it is an effective tool.

    • @MairinGoBragh
      @MairinGoBragh Рік тому +5

      As someone who is an ASP certified officer and carries one daily, this has been my experience. People know the fight is over when the baton comes out, because of its unique position in the force continuum (between OC/Taser and deadly force). Having something that doesn't require me to draw a firearm or knife, but has that effect is a win in my book.
      Even if I have to use it, my training in Inayan Eskrima is useful and instructive into the application of such a tool.

    • @namename6673
      @namename6673 Рік тому +2

      @@MairinGoBragh lol all this for giving out speeding tickets

    • @tomtravis3077
      @tomtravis3077 Рік тому +1

      @@namename6673 they are all professional LARPers like this dork on the video. Could you imagine being friends with this guy? Even his partner in the video looks annoyed with him.

  • @honeyhahn
    @honeyhahn 3 місяці тому

    I was on the fence whether I should get one but this video made me go ahead and order. Thank you

  • @cheapslut153
    @cheapslut153 9 місяців тому +1

    So shooting someone is self defence, but hitting them with a stick is useless?

  • @MrNycbrat
    @MrNycbrat 3 роки тому +146

    Cool, I’m ordering one now.

    • @cjanquart
      @cjanquart 2 роки тому +3

      Don't get an ASP, get a Bonowi.

    • @elontusk9898
      @elontusk9898 2 роки тому +1

      How is it? Hope you haven't had to use it yet.

  • @jamesdeek7756
    @jamesdeek7756 3 роки тому +78

    If my friend was constantly faking me out and ended up hitting me I'd be pissed

    • @roarblast7332
      @roarblast7332 3 роки тому +2

      Eh. I’d just hit him back.

    • @timshel011
      @timshel011 2 роки тому

      It might end the friendship after you bust his skull...

  • @nfkveterana4491
    @nfkveterana4491 Рік тому

    where can I get this baton here?

  • @Thomasmollo1964
    @Thomasmollo1964 6 місяців тому +2

    My first thought was…. This guy’s never been in a real street fight…
    When he doesn’t have a little orange button to press for help that brings 30 or 40 armed cops to his defense in less that 30 seconds. 😂
    So yeah ok…
    Ya got me.
    I carry one while I’m walking alone at night. I also take it with me when I’m walking with my son who’s autistic. I do this only if we are walking at a state park which sometimes can be a hang out for gang bangers but also others looking to rob or beat people.
    I cannot carry a gun,a knife wouldn’t be as effective especially if there are two or 3 attackers or they have knives themselves. If I’m in a situation
    I can handle without using it ?
    Terrific ! Someone has a gun, I’m not pulling out my stick. I don’t think you give people enough credit to use common sense.
    If my life or my sons is threatened and I have a self defense stick ??
    I’m using it.
    I been in many fights. In the street…. For us civilians, It’s about winning as quickly as possible. I know when that has to happen and when it doesn’t.
    Btw this is also a great weapon to use against a vicious dog trying to attack.
    I don’t know where you were a cop…. Mayberry ?

  • @IronMongoose1
    @IronMongoose1 5 років тому +398

    "You're not going to use this to joint lock a person you weren't going to be able to joint lock without it."
    Give this man the Correct Award.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  5 років тому +12

      I think that is an important point that people cant really grasp usually when it comes to this stuff.

    • @drewcasper4608
      @drewcasper4608 5 років тому +3

      Yeah this is wrong, I've personally seen it done many times, it just has to be performed right

    • @springbloom5940
      @springbloom5940 5 років тому +6

      Give this man the bullshit award.

    • @drewcasper4608
      @drewcasper4608 5 років тому +2

      @bfk4lif yes many times, my dad's a baton instructor for the police department he works for and I've watched many classes

    • @drewcasper4608
      @drewcasper4608 5 років тому

      @bfk4lif I don't have any videos of him on duty but I think he teaches a class not this Thursday but next Thursday I can probably video some of the sparring footage

  • @danielrocha-garcia8609
    @danielrocha-garcia8609 3 роки тому +71

    I can kinda see your point but you say that most of the time it’s either legal and ineffective or effective but illegal. I’m gonna need more than a incorrectly illustrated ven diagram to come to that conclusion. Statistics tends to work more. I mean the ven diagram itself is bad because you’re using it to show amount when that’s not what the ven diagram is supposed to be used for. Anyway regardless if you agree with me or not, I think I speak for a good amount of viewers when I say you haven’t convinced anyone about anything

    • @bodyno3158
      @bodyno3158 3 роки тому

      If something is "either legal and ineffective or effective but illegal", then the law probably is the problem.

  • @GarrettMetzskate
    @GarrettMetzskate 7 місяців тому +1

    The guy with the knife that followed me after a road rage incident. thought my baton was very affective. I 100% disagree and think he would as well.

  • @spearsg
    @spearsg 4 місяці тому +1

    Great points! Here are couple of things to consider as well. There are times when a baton is the *best* choice: 1.) when your survival is seriously threatened and you don't have or are not authorized to have a gun. 2.) when your survival is seriously threatened and you don't stand a chance without some kind of weapon. 3.) when your survival is seriously threatened and you really, really want to avoid killing someone. (ie: you have a gun but you can survive this situation without it, or the attacker is someone you know and care about, etc, etc). NOTE: that's right, a baton can *still be deadly*. My main point here is that *most times* it's way less lethal than a gun -- and so it can be a best choice in literally 100s of scenarios if you think about it. Thaks for the video.