Overall i really like this tier list, i feel like i would rank Tyranitar higher since Sand is pretty nice for Rain and basically solos Psyspam (and maybe Sun assuming no tera) if you remove Gallade or any mon thats physical and has super effective attacks for it, i also think tge Tera on Tyranitar is easily worth it many times (especially in teams with mons that don't have many weaknesses), Excadrill is also another mon i am loving so far despite not being super favourable, Clear Amulet Stellar is so nice for Glimmora HO and Incineroar leads with Tyranitar Excadrill and just outruns so much of the meta in Sand, i would rank them slightly higher in their respective tiers but completely understand why they are in the place they are
@@LycopokySlimesy I've been running ttar the entire format, 2 weeks ago it would have been higher, but with the recent changes to the meta, I think I had to drop it just a little bit
You were talking about how good Houndoom’s typing is defensively, and I started dreaming about how good a defensive Dark/Fire type could be with a supportive moveset… Five minutes later, I remembered
@@grimmylocked I kinda agree. Farig just suffers from not much priority right now (dozo and arch just ruin that archetype as a priority spammer) and it has to compete with p2
@@grimmylocked tbh I thought it would be better already but I've spoken to some friends who aren't believers in it this format, but I'm curious to see how things develop, it should definitely have a place
this has been a great format for variety. there will always be a meta no matter the format, but the amount of mons that can be legit viable with some good teambuilding is awesome right now. perks of having access to protect again lol
It’s funny how there was so much maneuvering and tinkering with all of Maushold’s synergies and then people realized “Oh, maybe we can just click the nuke button and let er rip” and it turns out yeah, that’s not a half bad idea. Also the rise of Flamigo is just too funny, Scrappy just simplifies so many interactions, way more than you’d think at first blush.
Tbh i find it odd how low magmar is. It has flame body, follow me, hh, etcetera. Its only real setbacks are that it overlaps types with incin and it doesnt have electroweb like its homie electabuzz
I think vital spirit is the better ability on both, you can name Atleast 5 better fire types as well plus rain is the best atchatype in the game, buzz is arguably the best electric type in the game right now and one of the best answers to rain
@@ScooteezyVGC The fact that you're Unburden but also threaten with Dire Claws, Close Combat and Throat Punch is extremely hard for your opponent to deal with.
I’ve been messing around with a toxic/leech seed stall team using Glimmora, Venusaur, Ninetales (willowisp, fire spin), and Overquil. Venusaur is like a bigger meaner Torterra that moves super fast in sun. People hate it but it’s fun lol
Idk how relevant it is since i'm very low on ladder, but i've been trying galvantula with compound eyes, focus sash and thunder, string shot, thunder wave, light screen and it seems to do well against rain as it outspeeds pelipper and most other pokemon, sometimes even under tailwind, and also cancelling tailwind with string shot
Every time a new one of these videos gets made I go to where they rated Hydrapple to see how valid it is. Honestly I’m gonna bring it to an actual tournament and prove that it has what it takes (ignore that I’m a terrible player)
@@thedoomdragon2895 what set? regenerator assault vest with fickle beam, energy ball, earth power and pollen puff and tera steel or fire? Apples one of those mons that I look at and think its ALMOST there. Its SO close, but its so hard to justify using it over amoongus, rilla or sinistcha
@@Joeybanananas I’ve been testing with sitrus yawn, specs, assault vest, life orb, pretty much every hydrapple set you could think of and it’s been feeling really nice. Though despite the cope I have to admit that it does have its flaws. I’ve most recently been playing with a variation of Toler’s team and I think it’s really strong in the place of Amoongus
@@thedoomdragon2895 I think I'm a lower power format it could see a lot of play, it has the tools to be good, but I think it's issue is that it's hard to justify it over the other top TR sweepers
@@ScooteezyVGC I think that it just has good enough stats to the point where it’s gonna be good eventually. 106 110 80 defenses are really good for a Mon with a 120 SpA stat. The way I think about it is a more bulky Amoongus with more damage. If it had rage powder I think it would have like at least 5% usage by now
Admittedly though, it really does suffer from being a jack of all trades but master of none that doesn't help in VGC, and it being a bit of a tera hog in certain matchups doesn't help
I tried using krook at the beginning of the format. My biggest issue was his weakness to fighting. And I would have to Tera it which takes away Tera from another mon. I’d rather have the other two ground types all day.
Just wanna point out I've been maining a snorlax ceruledge hydreigon Rillaboom core and been destroying archaludon dozo teams with little challenge it's been fun watching them try so hard. Nice vid
@@xGatorchomp28x I would say the main knock on the female version is that the male version is actually good now, but definitely very solid in psyspam and on it own
Sneasler is stupid, easy to smoke with a fake out user. Also, Tera Dragon Baxcalibur smokes archaludon, you either one shot it or do 75% to it. Tinkaton is also underrated in my opinion. AV+ fake out, knock off, play rough, gigaton is a great set with max hp adamant/ split iv’s between attack and defense. One shots whimsicott, Tera water makes it annoying for gholdengo, it smokes the grass monkey unless it’s running high horsepower. In that case it still takes 2-3 hits from it. With screens it gets plenty of time to knock off, gigaton on repeat.
what makes gholdengo and talonflame such a combo over whims? both have tailwind and as far as I can tell talon and gholdengo dont cover each other weaknesses very well
You should check out Sempra, he just got 3rd in the GC using Quak Rain, I might showcase my friends Quak team as well if he's okay with me making it public.
I think you underestimated Serperior in this tier list Aditya Subramanyam reached 31st at the GC with Serperior So the mon has potential, 31st in GC is no small feat
Overall i really like this tier list, i feel like i would rank Tyranitar higher since Sand is pretty nice for Rain and basically solos Psyspam (and maybe Sun assuming no tera) if you remove Gallade or any mon thats physical and has super effective attacks for it, i also think tge Tera on Tyranitar is easily worth it many times (especially in teams with mons that don't have many weaknesses), Excadrill is also another mon i am loving so far despite not being super favourable, Clear Amulet Stellar is so nice for Glimmora HO and Incineroar leads with Tyranitar Excadrill and just outruns so much of the meta in Sand, i would rank them slightly higher in their respective tiers but completely understand why they are in the place they are
@@LycopokySlimesy I've been running ttar the entire format, 2 weeks ago it would have been higher, but with the recent changes to the meta, I think I had to drop it just a little bit
You were talking about how good Houndoom’s typing is defensively, and I started dreaming about how good a defensive Dark/Fire type could be with a supportive moveset…
Five minutes later, I remembered
@@MorningPants 😂😂😂
You remember that taunt WoW chi-yu is the goat😂
Ohh and that stupid cat exists
It's a world champion wrestling heel. You can't forget him
Think farigiraf is one of those mons who will get much better as the meta matures and gets more defined.
@@grimmylocked I kinda agree. Farig just suffers from not much priority right now (dozo and arch just ruin that archetype as a priority spammer) and it has to compete with p2
@@grimmylocked tbh I thought it would be better already but I've spoken to some friends who aren't believers in it this format, but I'm curious to see how things develop, it should definitely have a place
You opened my eyes to jumpluff and a bunch of other mons.
@@Brandonutss I'm glad I was able to help
this has been a great format for variety. there will always be a meta no matter the format, but the amount of mons that can be legit viable with some good teambuilding is awesome right now. perks of having access to protect again lol
@@scottcrysel it's awesome how we are continuing to see it develop, but I do miss surging strikes in rain 😜
@@ScooteezyVGCthe ultimate get out of jail free card lol
It’s funny how there was so much maneuvering and tinkering with all of Maushold’s synergies and then people realized “Oh, maybe we can just click the nuke button and let er rip” and it turns out yeah, that’s not a half bad idea.
Also the rise of Flamigo is just too funny, Scrappy just simplifies so many interactions, way more than you’d think at first blush.
@@jman2050 ye the maushold interactions are crazy.
Scrappy on a fighting type right now is so dam good, I just wish dedidueye was a little faster :(
@@ScooteezyVGCThat’s why I’ve been using it on Trick Room. For some reason, I don’t see a single person other than myself consider the idea.
Tbh i find it odd how low magmar is. It has flame body, follow me, hh, etcetera. Its only real setbacks are that it overlaps types with incin and it doesnt have electroweb like its homie electabuzz
There are a few really good offensive fire types that you might run for one. It's easier to fit the other follow me mons id say
I think vital spirit is the better ability on both, you can name Atleast 5 better fire types as well plus rain is the best atchatype in the game, buzz is arguably the best electric type in the game right now and one of the best answers to rain
Bruh. Sneasler is sooooo A+, that mon is toxic as hell haha
@@MidianVGC I just started using it today, might be higher on my next list 👀👀👀
@@ScooteezyVGC The fact that you're Unburden but also threaten with Dire Claws, Close Combat and Throat Punch is extremely hard for your opponent to deal with.
I’ve been messing around with a toxic/leech seed stall team using Glimmora, Venusaur, Ninetales (willowisp, fire spin), and Overquil.
Venusaur is like a bigger meaner Torterra that moves super fast in sun. People hate it but it’s fun lol
Idk how relevant it is since i'm very low on ladder, but i've been trying galvantula with compound eyes, focus sash and thunder, string shot, thunder wave, light screen and it seems to do well against rain as it outspeeds pelipper and most other pokemon, sometimes even under tailwind, and also cancelling tailwind with string shot
ah yes pokemon, the game where a icy moth, cotton ball, and worm have the same viability as a metal bird, firey kick chicken, and icy dragon :3
Every time a new one of these videos gets made I go to where they rated Hydrapple to see how valid it is. Honestly I’m gonna bring it to an actual tournament and prove that it has what it takes (ignore that I’m a terrible player)
@@thedoomdragon2895 what set?
regenerator assault vest with fickle beam, energy ball, earth power and pollen puff and tera steel or fire?
Apples one of those mons that I look at and think its ALMOST there. Its SO close, but its so hard to justify using it over amoongus, rilla or sinistcha
@@Joeybanananas I’ve been testing with sitrus yawn, specs, assault vest, life orb, pretty much every hydrapple set you could think of and it’s been feeling really nice. Though despite the cope I have to admit that it does have its flaws. I’ve most recently been playing with a variation of Toler’s team and I think it’s really strong in the place of Amoongus
@@thedoomdragon2895 I think I'm a lower power format it could see a lot of play, it has the tools to be good, but I think it's issue is that it's hard to justify it over the other top TR sweepers
@@ScooteezyVGC I think that it just has good enough stats to the point where it’s gonna be good eventually. 106 110 80 defenses are really good for a Mon with a 120 SpA stat. The way I think about it is a more bulky Amoongus with more damage. If it had rage powder I think it would have like at least 5% usage by now
Admittedly though, it really does suffer from being a jack of all trades but master of none that doesn't help in VGC, and it being a bit of a tera hog in certain matchups doesn't help
I tried using krook at the beginning of the format. My biggest issue was his weakness to fighting. And I would have to Tera it which takes away Tera from another mon. I’d rather have the other two ground types all day.
29:05 "Mightyena, no stats no bitches" haha based, the quick commentary kills me 🤣😂
Glad you liked it 😂 lack of bitches definitely influenced it's position on the list.
The lack of everything else also hurts it
Hypno also gets haze + the reasons u said already
@@Blakunz26 I knew I was missing something
21:00 “All these mons are bad” -Ledian doesn’t even get a ranking
Ledian needs a evolution or Jesus
Just wanna point out I've been maining a snorlax ceruledge hydreigon Rillaboom core and been destroying archaludon dozo teams with little challenge it's been fun watching them try so hard. Nice vid
Indeedee F Underrated (perhaps) but overall great list! 😊🙏🏽💕
@@xGatorchomp28x I would say the main knock on the female version is that the male version is actually good now, but definitely very solid in psyspam and on it own
Sneasler is stupid, easy to smoke with a fake out user. Also, Tera Dragon Baxcalibur smokes archaludon, you either one shot it or do 75% to it. Tinkaton is also underrated in my opinion. AV+ fake out, knock off, play rough, gigaton is a great set with max hp adamant/ split iv’s between attack and defense. One shots whimsicott, Tera water makes it annoying for gholdengo, it smokes the grass monkey unless it’s running high horsepower. In that case it still takes 2-3 hits from it. With screens it gets plenty of time to knock off, gigaton on repeat.
I agree on sneasler, it feels pretty good atm.
Definitely a lot of interesting picks
I listened to this whole thing. Thank you
@@sxewhil you're a real one
what makes gholdengo and talonflame such a combo over whims? both have tailwind and as far as I can tell talon and gholdengo dont cover each other weaknesses very well
Talon is fast and hits harder, plus you can run flare blitz to beat the mirror
It minimizes overlapping weaknesses. If both of your active mons are weak to fire, that’s a massive vulnerability
Milotic feels worse then prim somehow.
Like prim is one of those mons that always 'just' shy of what you want it to be, and milotic is worse then that
Prim is a fairy, that's the major difference imo, Milo is also a little more reliant on setup
Garchomp with Rocky helmet and rough skin and Tera water I’ve knocked out almost every pokemon especially Urchifu
please do a quaquaval video, I think it has great potencial and would be grateful if you made a video on it
You should check out Sempra, he just got 3rd in the GC using Quak Rain, I might showcase my friends Quak team as well if he's okay with me making it public.
I think you underestimated Serperior in this tier list
Aditya Subramanyam reached 31st at the GC with Serperior
So the mon has potential, 31st in GC is no small feat
i think garganacl is also immune to status like spore
Wait did you just put a twist on very demure 😆
@@viviannabriano5645 I don't think so, what did I say? 😂
@@ScooteezyVGC it's when you were talking about both of the Decidueye 🤣 I don't know why my brain just went straight there
@@viviannabriano5645 😂😂😂
Down for a Quaquaval video!
Maybe soon, I got some stuff planned first
Great video
Roses are red
Violets don't matter.
Hippo sets weather,
But TTar is just better.
arkayneenay??
Ye the fire dawg from gen 1, evolves with a fire stone
Ik you did not just pronounce Decidueye like that lmfaooooo
@@adstr8840 but I did
Didn't see flygon, but maybe I just missed it or it is really that irrelevant...
Ima be real im not a fan of these weak pathetic small children looking pokemons. NEED ME MAH ONE SHOTS ON RILLABOOM WITH A RESISTED MOVE!!
Dont forget about the assault vest
I miss my Chiyu in sun 🥲
I think hax is better then you give it credit for, its a delete button and ohkos almost every current threat.
So does Bax and that has better stats.
I think the main issue is all the pseudo legendary dragons all feel good, besides goodra