Hi! Amazing video once again. Would you be intrested in making a video about the Finnish mechanised units. They are intresting as they mix leopard 2a6s and modernised bmp 2s.
Hi. I fought for three and a half years in the 14th mechanized brigade, until the summer of 2022, very accurate description, everything is correct. Video with javelin operators with red patches and shooting at a BRDM target is our anti-tank division at the training ground in the summer of 2020. Mechanized battalions on BMP 1, motorized infantry battalion on BTR 70 and BMP 1. Tank battalion on t72
Not really. It's just that everyone ignored us when we said the TRUTH about how shit the ruzzian army is. only thing they have is numbers and inhuman cruelty to everything - even the numbers themselves.
About the SVDs - they have been totally rulled out of use before feb 24 2022, and replaced by a locally produced UAR-10s. Of course since mobilization started, everything is used
Sniper weapons are a veritable zoo - UAR-10 is by far the least numerous rifle. SnipeX, Barrett, Sako, Desert Tech, SIG Sauer and Desert Tech are more plentiful each than Zbroyar UAR-10. Also snipers are allowed to use their own guns as long as they have spare parts and ammo for them, notably some rare South African Denel with interchangable barrels chambered in 14.5 and 20mm cartriges
@@SerCommander that’s true, but here I’d say the UAR served as main marksman/support rifle, it’s hard to call it a sniper rifle or to put together in a row with the other ones you mentioned, since the idea of it is different. But, the process to get rid of SVDs in regular units started two-three years before. There is a nice video about it, though only In Ukrainian, but with subs
Correction - BTR-4 is not a modernized vehicle, it is reworked design and manufactured from the scratch, based on the legacy of previous BTR models with a large pinch of NATO IFVs in them.
Need to mention that SVD was mostly replaced by domestic produced Zbroyar Z-10 (AR-10 derivative) as standard issue marksman rifle in 7.62 NATO for 3 reasons 1) sniper ammo for 7.62R stocks were mostly depleted 2) SVD's were in bad shape, and poorly performed in DMR role. 3) variety of optics for SVD is low, and Z-10 use picatinny rail for scopes. Yet you can find svd's from time to time. Also, field manuals weren't updated for a while, and not every unit follows them.
@@hallojutuhb9071 1. 7.62x54r migh have been a rifle cartridge during the russian revolution but right now its primarily made to be fired out of a PKM. 2.) PKM is a machine gun.
@@hallojutuhb9071 WTF are u talking about? Of course PKM uses RIFLE cartridge... That's the main difference between it and RPK family. So SWD and PKM indeed use same cartridge.
Brilliant clear production helping all to understand AFU structures & weapons distribution with squad structures, thanks for enlightening us armchair soldiers. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 .
@@eduardostapenko6808t is the name of the book an miniseries much like Band of brothers, based on 1st. recon bn. USMC invasion of Iraq 2003. They were also mounted oh humvees and conducted assaults. Heavyli misused throught the war. Really good show and book
So it's mostly still a Soviet era combined arms doctrine paired with western pull type logistics. Which is not a bad thing. Zaluzhny himself is a big admirer of Soviet army doctrine, and executed it masterfully in the past year.
centralization of heavy AT assets was an American practice as well (if we think of Javelin as a stand-in for TOW in the Ukrainian army), with brigade and battalion anti-armor companies in various forms. An airborne infantry battalion used to have a 30x HMWWV TOW company. A Marine tank battalion also gets 24x HMMWV TOW in the H&S company anti-armor platoon. Just like how US army is centralizing artillery in new division organization, in large-scale combat, it's crucial for higher commanders to be able to concentrate AT assets to break mass armor attacks when the enemy tries to punch through.
Well, the Ukrainians have things that stand in for a TOW better than a Javelin, for example, the Malyutkas or Fagots mentioned later in the video. They all have a greater range than a Javelin, but they are heavier and are SACLOS, meaning they aren't fire and forget weapons. The reason Ukrainians concentrate them the way they do is to centralize the logistics of it due to the finite supply of Javelin tubes and make it a higher level command decision to commit those weapons to a mission. If they had a larger supply, they probably would become organic to the company or platoon like NLAWs are. At least, that's my analysis of the facts presented here.
@@SirCheezersIII Availability is precisely why we can consider it to be relatively similar to TOW in its role. The supply of ANY heavy ATGM in that kind of conflict is limited, including those AT-3 and AT-4, as well as Stugna. You don't want piecemeal employment (similar rationale applies to artillery). If we look at what the Ukrainians have in their inventory, Javelin does fit in that category - armor-defeating capability- and range-wise - only being outclassed by Stugna. It has been the norm not the exception to concentrate your best AT assets whenever possible, even US army doctrine prior to the COIN-centric changes had focused on centralizing control, massing firepower, maximizing depth, and employing them in accordance with the higher commander's intent - only task-organizing and distributing these units when METT-T require.
No its not. Its a heavily modified btr-80 to fill a gap between old soviet crap and modern Patria-alike APC wich was to be created but the war started.
@@Andriy_Sklyar Ukrainians attacking with Humvee's. Humvees weren't made for frontline combat, but people still use them for assaulting. That was one of the big gripes for the recon marines in Iraq. They were supposed to be a recon and opserve unit, but they assaulted airfields that had, at least according the intel, at least an armored brigade and fortifications. Luckily there wasn't any resistance. Sure Humvees do have the speed, but there is no armor.
@@Andriy_Sklyar All of us, in the west and in the east and propably you in between, were surprised how well you did, how poorly Russian army did and how the national pride rose against the invader. Not many expected that west would do anything. Not even Putin. He took too big of an bite to swallow and now he is chocking on it. Let's hope you don't end up like we did in the Winter War, and you get your land back.
Slick and well-presented video, thank you. I ordered one of those Cyborg shirts also, thanks for the suggestion. Had to look up the 'Cyborg' reference, and that's was a pretty cool story all on it's own; great idea honestly. Slava Ukraini
Although this structure and equipment are more common for pre-war time, today`s AFU is pretty much a puzzle due to all foreign aid we`ve got. Considering last aid packages and future ones, soon we`ll going to see separate brigades armed with M2`s, Marders and Leopards. There will be a lot of work to deal with unification. Also interesting to hear your thoughts about probabilities and caveats of futures possible transition from brigades to divisions.
That would be neat heard that the foreign legion has a spetnaz unit but I don’t think there is much if any information on them still would be cool to see there SF in detail
@@vapelordmarco4203 "Spetsnaz" are not SOF, they're simply Specialized units, like Recon, for example. Say a Recon Battalion is attached to a Mech Brigade, that Recon Btn is considered "Spetsnaz" as it's specialized in Recon.
@@woolytemple3667 Kind of. While Marine Force Recon is SOF capable, say the Navy is busy, the Marines CAN send in Force Recon as part of a JSOC mission. Most Spetsnaz don't operate on that level.
A very clear overview as always. The chapter on the Javelin was particularly interesting. Whether to concentrate or disperse specialized AT-assets is always a difficult decision.
It is more expensive to disperse them but every country that can afford to does. The question is less about the efficacy of either option and more about cost. Dispersing them means needing more AT weapons for the same fighting force, but they will be readily available whenever enemy armor makes and appearance. Concentrating them mean less AT weapons are needed but requires knowing where enemy armor is and if enemy armor surprises you, then your forces will be without AT support against enemy armor until the AT unit can show up.
@@TJackson736 I guess in a full scale war like this you have to stop big armored brigade attacks sometimes, that is where it could be useful. I mean if enemy is concentrating 40+ tanks somewhere together with many IFVs you will know about this
Man I love Ukrainian Uniforms and Equipment can't wait for them to totally modernize all of their Soviet equipment like they did with BMP-1 with BMP-1U that has a better a more modern autocannon
@@whybndsu Also Russia helps with modernization. They gave to Ukraine 63 BMP-3, 228 BMP-2 and 6 BMP-1AM. I think with this much modern and semi-modern IFVs, UAF can rearm several of her independent mechanized brigades.
@@whybndsu I am happy to see NATO and the US sending their own equipment to Ukr. I'd like to see how much equipment you have left to support them. LOL from China.
You know what would be a really cool video? A historical overview of the role of the main "combat arms," including the three classic ones (infantry, artillery, and cavalry) as well as the modern ones (armor, helicopter, etc).
Finding this right after watching Kings and Generals is perfect because those videos usually have a lot of focus on what kind of unit is fighting, but I had only a vague understanding of what those definitions mean before finding this channel
5:50 we don't have "starshina" rank anymore. Now we have various sergeants like USA and NATO countries. I believe in platoon there's "Main sergeant of platoon", ranked "main sergeant", but I can be wrong
Jesus, it’s so crazy seeing their org chart that’s been shaped by modern major combat ops but also the Frankenstein aspect of it due to its soviet era military inheritance coupled with mishmash of donor equipment
Your explication is so quick but clear. I struggle understanding combat structures at scale but you made it simpler. Any chance you could do a general army structure video from individual to whatever the biggest unit in the military would be. That base explanation would help me understand this even more.
Mechanised and motorized troops usually use the AKS74 with foldable skeleton stock. That's what we used in the 58th motorized brigade and that is a territorial defense unit lower on the equipment list.
@@luminaaeterna1259 Territorial defence force is similar to militia or lower grade units often created to function as a garrison to free up the better troop as well as consisting of former militias now under military command and control, the nation guard is under the interior ministry and function as internal police/national guard in the US for example, they are not meant to be an offensive force or maybe aggressive force is more correct.
@@luminaaeterna1259 Light infantry tends to be specialised AFAIK, think of the TDF as second rate troops in most cases. We had tanks btrs and even an artillery detachment, have to admit I am not sure how the Ukrainians set up their units but this was in the westernisation phase, usually you have detachments of armor recon artillery etc you can attach onto other units if there is a need for it, we had self propelled artillery and tanks, how normal that is I am not sure, we were motorized but on paper mechanised a process that had been ongoing since 2015 if I remember correctly. Then again we were at a very exposed position likely to be the focus of a breakthrough in the event of things going hot, so that might be why we had the heavy support, or it could be what the defence ministry wanted all mechanised TDF units to have. Again on the composition I am not to sure as I was just infantry, and tbh I did not care much for things outside my field or ability to affect. I believe there exists an English Wikipedia page on the 58th, not sure if they are currently listed under mechanised or motorized, if it helps and you want to dig it consists of former donbass militia units. You should probably be able to figure out the composition norms and current state if you have some patience and a translator.
@@INSANESUICIDE I understand, thank you for taking the time in answering some random idiot's questions in the internet I've always wanted to learn more but I don't know which sources for diving deeper are credible enough and where to start
@@prfwrx2497 Yeah, rockets are a great high explosive asset but the back blast can make geometries tricky; especially in an urban setting. But maybe the RPG back blast isn’t as restrictive as either the AT-4 or LAW?
I would really be interested to know more about how Territorial Defense is equipped and how they are typically used. Would also be interesting to know which formations are getting the new NATO equipment being sent.
Territorial Defence it is in vast majority light infantry on pick up trucks. Some of them(4-5 brigades)would have some tanks, APCs and proper artillery. They're being just like any other light infantry unit. Securing the rear, patrolling roads, guarding crossroads, bridges etc. Securing second and third-tier parts of the front, fighting in heavy environments like cites, heavy forests, hills etc where wide use of heavy equipment is not practical or even possible. Most of foreign help is going to either reserve brigades which were mobilezed after the war started or to those units that suffered to most in the spring.
@@norbi1411 truth be told, territorial defence units (also known here as ТрО) were used as frontline infantry in some cases last summer. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didnt
@@norbi1411 Ok so for example even M113's and Humvees are not going to territorial defense but instead to reserve units of motorized infantry I assume. So all those technicals we see with rockets in the back etc. are probably made by/for territorial defense?
A regular Territorial Defense battalion has 3...7 riflemen companies + fire support company (heavy grenade launchers, heavy machine guns, atgms) + 82mm/120 mm mortar battery + reconnaissance pt, engineering pt, signals pt and medical pt. There is no armoured vehicles in those batallions, mostly upgraded pickups and civil trucks. Territorial Defense battalions are often attached to the mechanized/tank brigades, being widely used in trench warfare, building and holding a defensive line along the border, or as the 2nd echelon during the offensive.
As Ukrainian, Ter forces just meat reinforce, which are usually used as reinforcements for mechanized brigades, modern technical units are receiving new formations like 47, 33, 82, 155 brigades
Excellent video, very obvious that it is well researched and detailed. It will be interesting to see how our army structure changes after we finish this war )
Main thing does not mentioned in video, this is theoretical structure. In wartime amount of equipment is much lower, even infantry weapons are mix of everything. Some brigades have a lot of captured equipment, some have few old soviet half working things. Constant shortages of heavy equipment, in comparison to russian
@@questionmaker5666 exept that they didnt left any cultural mark on the peninsula and they didnt populate all of the peninsula so technically it wasnt fully over their control
great once again, thanks for the informative video! especially the place of the javelin in orbat is interesting, as is the placement of an anti-air platoon per batallion.
Many of the Ukrainian battalions nominally under the brigade but are actually separate. If the battalion has a number other than 1, 2, and 3 its technically a seperate battalion which can fight on its own.
A lot of people especially in pro Russian camps tend to tout this idea that Ukraine is NATO spec but this video shows how far that is from reality. They've done joint exercises and had a lot of consulting and outside training since 2014 especially but the military is wholly Ukrainian built and mostly based on what they would already know.
weapons can be different, for example, instead of a SVD, there can be a Z-10, and instead of an AK, a MALYK or M4 or another trophy or transferred weapon
Sure but I think the fight in Ukraine has demonstrated that small arms are much the same. Well apart from manpads and atgm. Tanks, ifv, artillery, anti radiation missles etc this high level tech seems to make a big difference. That's just my take. But it is true what you said small arms are very mixed ATM.
Ukraine abandoned svd . BTR4 is not a modernization of the Soviet armored personnel carriers 70-80, it is a completely new vehicle, with a different engine layout, with different weapons. with another body...
As an Elf from UKR aremored forces, thats video is a complete truce, but one: we dont use SVD as sniper rifle anymore from 2017, its a Teritorial defence rifle now in common, and of cource we use more NATO combat rifles and machineguns
This really helps to understand the scale of the military Ukraine receives. 14 tanks from the UK doesn't seem much at first, but add 2 companies more and it already satisfies the whole brigade.
Thank you very much for the video, good luck from Perú. Excuse me, dear team of Battle Order, can i use your explicative videos (with APA rules) for academical works?
Lot of really good info here, stuff I'd never heard anywhere else. I just wonder how close the reality reflects the ideal though. Like, for the medical NCOs, are they all getting field promoted to NCO or do they all have time in service too? Like I guess I'm wondering what the mobilization situation is like; I know there are a lot of volunteers but probably also at least some conscripts.
Keeping perfectly to a TO&E is generally not easy even in peacetime, but in war the lowest levels tend to deviate the most. So squads and platoons I am guessing look quite different, but you’d have to interview someone to get a clear picture of what it’s like in their specific unit. But an average brigade having all the battalions it’s supposed to have is much more likely even if they’ve been heavily attrited. The Medical NCO comment was in relation to what they’re meant to have per the textbooks but I don’t know what the SOP is, whether they’re deviating on how much medical personnel they have in units or by how much
Will you do a video about the British Future Commando Force / Royal Marine structure and equipment, it seems they have restructured and changed very differently.
Another great video! About time to become a patron :) Question: Is the Brigade's Anti-tank battalion a new addition since 2022? Would make sense given the influx of new weapon systems and the new javelin doctrine you referenced. Wasn't mentioned in the Ukraine video you made last year; so interesting to see the changes in real-time!
Not really. Ukrainian brigades were always supossed to have an ant-tank artillery battalion since their formation but they've been mostly using MT-12 Rapira 100mm anti-tank guns alongside some heavier soviet era and later heavy ukrainian atgms (in paper kormet equivalents but most likely superior since russian made euipment is universally trash) as ukrainian brigadization has been very similar to the russian one (basically take a regiment worth of maneuver units and while using divisional level support units). The new addition is the javelins most likely replacing a single company at minimum with some units most likely replacing more companies as if possible. USSR era divisional anti-tank artillery battalions for example were a mix of 2 gun companies using the mt-12 and one company using atgm carriers or 9P148 Konkurs or Shturm-S.
Hi, the Anti-Tank Battalion has always been there. In that video, since it was kind of a short overview, I think I lumped it into the Brigade Artillery Group. As AT Battalions are part of the artillery branch, they're sometimes included into the Brigade Artillery Groups depending on the source. But tactically they serve a distinct function as a brigade's anti-tank reserve under the brigade, which is why I separated them in this video. The other guy's comment on MT-12s and ATGMs is correct.
@@BattleOrder I can imagine that helps with pre-contact morale as well as providing incentives for the more experienced/hardened (or militarily institutionalised, we all know the type) servicemen to be more proactive with voluntary duties at high risk of contact, which has a litany of possible benefits as a knock on effect
@@valx7586 yea if i was grunt geting shelled evry day and risking my life i woud like the thouth that at least im gona have some money if survive it defenetly boost morals
@@perfecto1838 they'll also have lives to rebuild once this over, so pay increases for them in general can only be a good thing, I just hope the US gave them a blank check because if that extra pay vanishes it *will* effect overall morale no matter what
Thanks for all the videos. A question: do Ukrainians officially include drones of any type on any level in their structure? Are they assigned solely to rec units ?
If Ukrainian mech infantry can put one Javelin attached to a platoon to good work, imagine what a US platoon could do to a Russian tank attack with three organic Javs. Spoiler alert: at NTC, a Stryker BN wiped the floor with the enemy's tank-led counterattack on a recently captured town. All the BLUFOR had to do was set up hasty positions (took 20 tops minutes for a bunch of loud NCOs to reorganize two companies to face the enemy's direction of attack) and wait for the enemy to come into range. 8 tanks and 11 IFVs were destroyed in 15 minutes, and that was before the AH-64s from Brigade showed up. I imagine a Russian attack going just as well when those boys have the drop on them, but hey, you never know for sure until real bullets start flying.
More like the russian staging area for their assault gets hit by airstrikes or rocket artillery and they’re routed before their attack even makes contact lmao. But yeah, the number of javelins the US has is fucking insane. Probably goes back to cold war doctrine where every NATO military was obsessed with having as many mobile ATGMs as possible to attrit soviet/eastern bloc mechanized units, which made very heavy use of armor
only in the hands of Ukrainian soldiers, the effectiveness of the javelin is about one hundred percent. This is a record in the history of javelins.) ✌️
This video is based on Ukrainian doctrinal publications listed in the description and may not necessarily reflect the reality on the ground.
awesome 😎
We will know the exact details in 2-3 years after the war and the battlefield documents are being decrypted.
Basically, this video is entirely irrelevant and inaccurate already
@@512TheWolf512 no u
Hi! Amazing video once again. Would you be intrested in making a video about the Finnish mechanised units. They are intresting as they mix leopard 2a6s and modernised bmp 2s.
Hi. I fought for three and a half years in the 14th mechanized brigade, until the summer of 2022, very accurate description, everything is correct. Video with javelin operators with red patches and shooting at a BRDM target is our anti-tank division at the training ground in the summer of 2020. Mechanized battalions on BMP 1, motorized infantry battalion on BTR 70 and BMP 1. Tank battalion on t72
Well-balanced fighting units.
Your english is extremely good.
Thank you for your service!
@@ReySchultz121 ppl in Ukraine have high English skill, cuz children begin to learn it in 1/2 class, if not in kindergarten
@@maksimfedoryak, щось я не дуже володію англійською. Розуміти - розумію, але говорити - не зможу.
It would be interesting to see a video on them in 2014. They've made unbelievable progress since then.
Not really. It's just that everyone ignored us when we said the TRUTH about how shit the ruzzian army is.
only thing they have is numbers and inhuman cruelty to everything - even the numbers themselves.
From orc takticks to orc killer takticks🤟🏻🤟🏻
@@789know yup everyone knows soledar was the goal of this invasion
@@789know soldiers get killed during war? Who could have thought 🤯
@@789know Cope harder, Orc.
About the SVDs - they have been totally rulled out of use before feb 24 2022, and replaced by a locally produced UAR-10s. Of course since mobilization started, everything is used
Sniper weapons are a veritable zoo - UAR-10 is by far the least numerous rifle. SnipeX, Barrett, Sako, Desert Tech, SIG Sauer and Desert Tech are more plentiful each than Zbroyar UAR-10.
Also snipers are allowed to use their own guns as long as they have spare parts and ammo for them, notably some rare South African Denel with interchangable barrels chambered in 14.5 and 20mm cartriges
@@SerCommander that’s true, but here I’d say the UAR served as main marksman/support rifle, it’s hard to call it a sniper rifle or to put together in a row with the other ones you mentioned, since the idea of it is different.
But, the process to get rid of SVDs in regular units started two-three years before. There is a nice video about it, though only In Ukrainian, but with subs
@@SerCommander the video in question ua-cam.com/video/Hd7ciM6M6uc/v-deo.html
@@yuriistasinchuk6807 link?
@@yuriistasinchuk6807 I would like to watch that video if you can locate a link please.
Correction - BTR-4 is not a modernized vehicle, it is reworked design and manufactured from the scratch, based on the legacy of previous BTR models with a large pinch of NATO IFVs in them.
yeah i mistook it for the french armored transport for a second, the way the front part is shaped with the driver's door and windows
Need to mention that SVD was mostly replaced by domestic produced Zbroyar Z-10 (AR-10 derivative) as standard issue marksman rifle in 7.62 NATO for 3 reasons 1) sniper ammo for 7.62R stocks were mostly depleted 2) SVD's were in bad shape, and poorly performed in DMR role. 3) variety of optics for SVD is low, and Z-10 use picatinny rail for scopes. Yet you can find svd's from time to time.
Also, field manuals weren't updated for a while, and not every unit follows them.
beat up svd firing machinegun ammo isnt exactly a "sniper rifle"
@@Slaapaav 1. The SVD was never used in a sniper role but in a DMR role. 2.) 7.62x54R is a rifle cartridge
@@hallojutuhb9071 1. 7.62x54r migh have been a rifle cartridge during the russian revolution but right now its primarily made to be fired out of a PKM. 2.) PKM is a machine gun.
@@Slaapaav Dude, plz check the definition and differences of rifle cartridges and for example intermediate cartridges.
@@hallojutuhb9071 WTF are u talking about? Of course PKM uses RIFLE cartridge... That's the main difference between it and RPK family. So SWD and PKM indeed use same cartridge.
Brilliant clear production helping all to understand AFU structures & weapons distribution with squad structures, thanks for enlightening us armchair soldiers.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 .
slava ISAF
1:55 I laughed so hard at the Generation Kill reference 😂
i didnt, even thought i noticed it. cause i didn't understand the refference.
can yu explain it please?
@@eduardostapenko6808t is the name of the book an miniseries much like Band of brothers, based on 1st. recon bn. USMC invasion of Iraq 2003. They were also mounted oh humvees and conducted assaults. Heavyli misused throught the war. Really good show and book
@@darkogaurina4778 thanks for the inro, i wattched the series. i just didn't get the reference
Always love seeing a notification that you've uploaded a video.
Thank you for the work that you do.
btr 4 is indigenously produced not modified, that would be btr 3 (modification of old btrs with new armament and internal components)
So it's mostly still a Soviet era combined arms doctrine paired with western pull type logistics. Which is not a bad thing. Zaluzhny himself is a big admirer of Soviet army doctrine, and executed it masterfully in the past year.
Today Ukraine army is more like Britain army
They lost so many equipment and are getting pumped with NATO stuff, so I think soon other than tanks and artillery nothing will stay soviet
@@christianvincentcostanilla8428 why?
centralization of heavy AT assets was an American practice as well (if we think of Javelin as a stand-in for TOW in the Ukrainian army), with brigade and battalion anti-armor companies in various forms.
An airborne infantry battalion used to have a 30x HMWWV TOW company. A Marine tank battalion also gets 24x HMMWV TOW in the H&S company anti-armor platoon.
Just like how US army is centralizing artillery in new division organization, in large-scale combat, it's crucial for higher commanders to be able to concentrate AT assets to break mass armor attacks when the enemy tries to punch through.
Well, the Ukrainians have things that stand in for a TOW better than a Javelin, for example, the Malyutkas or Fagots mentioned later in the video. They all have a greater range than a Javelin, but they are heavier and are SACLOS, meaning they aren't fire and forget weapons. The reason Ukrainians concentrate them the way they do is to centralize the logistics of it due to the finite supply of Javelin tubes and make it a higher level command decision to commit those weapons to a mission. If they had a larger supply, they probably would become organic to the company or platoon like NLAWs are. At least, that's my analysis of the facts presented here.
@@SirCheezersIII Availability is precisely why we can consider it to be relatively similar to TOW in its role. The supply of ANY heavy ATGM in that kind of conflict is limited, including those AT-3 and AT-4, as well as Stugna. You don't want piecemeal employment (similar rationale applies to artillery).
If we look at what the Ukrainians have in their inventory, Javelin does fit in that category - armor-defeating capability- and range-wise - only being outclassed by Stugna.
It has been the norm not the exception to concentrate your best AT assets whenever possible, even US army doctrine prior to the COIN-centric changes had focused on centralizing control, massing firepower, maximizing depth, and employing them in accordance with the higher commander's intent - only task-organizing and distributing these units when METT-T require.
BTR-4 is not an upgraded vehicle. It's a totally new design
No its not. Its a heavily modified btr-80 to fill a gap between old soviet crap and modern Patria-alike APC wich was to be created but the war started.
@@borisbritva8486 absolutely not. It has no relation to BTR-80 at all.
The old Soviet DNA is in the design but I would agree, it is an entirely new platform, not some upgrade package.
@@mrx1979ua but in the result it don’t have anything in common with BTR-80
Different engine, place for engine, infantry places, weapon and tactics
@@jackjones7275 That's why I said it's a 100% new design
The production quality on this video is breathtaking. Nice work.
use Humvees to "recreate Generation Kill", best line ever...
"Gentlemen, we just seized an airfield."
They successfully did that under Kharkiv
@@Andriy_Sklyar Something like this. /watch?v=nur-e3EvUIs
I recommend watching/reading the Generation Kill.
@@Andriy_Sklyar Ukrainians attacking with Humvee's. Humvees weren't made for frontline combat, but people still use them for assaulting. That was one of the big gripes for the recon marines in Iraq. They were supposed to be a recon and opserve unit, but they assaulted airfields that had, at least according the intel, at least an armored brigade and fortifications. Luckily there wasn't any resistance. Sure Humvees do have the speed, but there is no armor.
@@Andriy_Sklyar All of us, in the west and in the east and propably you in between, were surprised how well you did, how poorly Russian army did and how the national pride rose against the invader. Not many expected that west would do anything. Not even Putin. He took too big of an bite to swallow and now he is chocking on it. Let's hope you don't end up like we did in the Winter War, and you get your land back.
Slick and well-presented video, thank you. I ordered one of those Cyborg shirts also, thanks for the suggestion. Had to look up the 'Cyborg' reference, and that's was a pretty cool story all on it's own; great idea honestly. Slava Ukraini
I hope these people can pull it off and liberate all their land
Such unprecedented courage in this day and age
"the Humvees the 58th and 59th Motorized brigades have been using to recreate Generation Kill" i had a good chuckle there.
I love your videos, your channel is incredible and you yourself seem to be a moraly good person.
Keep it up.
Чудове відео, як завжди
Although this structure and equipment are more common for pre-war time, today`s AFU is pretty much a puzzle due to all foreign aid we`ve got. Considering last aid packages and future ones, soon we`ll going to see separate brigades armed with M2`s, Marders and Leopards. There will be a lot of work to deal with unification.
Also interesting to hear your thoughts about probabilities and caveats of futures possible transition from brigades to divisions.
I really found gold with this channel getting reccomended, as a person who was always interested in organizational structures that make the world run
Pleasure to watch, especially during a live air raid alert with Kalibrs in the air in the region's vicinity
Wish for Ukrainian special forces/special operations forces units soon
That would be neat heard that the foreign legion has a spetnaz unit but I don’t think there is much if any information on them still would be cool to see there SF in detail
@@vapelordmarco4203 Ok
@@vapelordmarco4203 "Spetsnaz" are not SOF, they're simply Specialized units, like Recon, for example. Say a Recon Battalion is attached to a Mech Brigade, that Recon Btn is considered "Spetsnaz" as it's specialized in Recon.
@@brandondavis7777 So it's like Marine force recon then?
@@woolytemple3667 Kind of. While Marine Force Recon is SOF capable, say the Navy is busy, the Marines CAN send in Force Recon as part of a JSOC mission. Most Spetsnaz don't operate on that level.
A very clear overview as always.
The chapter on the Javelin was particularly interesting. Whether to concentrate or disperse specialized AT-assets is always a difficult decision.
It is more expensive to disperse them but every country that can afford to does. The question is less about the efficacy of either option and more about cost. Dispersing them means needing more AT weapons for the same fighting force, but they will be readily available whenever enemy armor makes and appearance. Concentrating them mean less AT weapons are needed but requires knowing where enemy armor is and if enemy armor surprises you, then your forces will be without AT support against enemy armor until the AT unit can show up.
@@TJackson736 I guess in a full scale war like this you have to stop big armored brigade attacks sometimes, that is where it could be useful. I mean if enemy is concentrating 40+ tanks somewhere together with many IFVs you will know about this
Man I love Ukrainian Uniforms and Equipment can't wait for them to totally modernize all of their Soviet equipment like they did with BMP-1 with BMP-1U that has a better a more modern autocannon
They're getting bradleys and marders soon so we could finally see them doing NATO-style combined arms
@@whybndsu Also Russia helps with modernization. They gave to Ukraine 63 BMP-3, 228 BMP-2 and 6 BMP-1AM. I think with this much modern and semi-modern IFVs, UAF can rearm several of her independent mechanized brigades.
@@whybndsu I am happy to see NATO and the US sending their own equipment to Ukr. I'd like to see how much equipment you have left to support them. LOL from China.
@@niutuli5687 What the entirety of NATO is giving is literally pennies to what the US has Chink
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The bursting bomb is a grenade and that is a symbol for grenadiers and other often 'elite' or 'heavy' troops.
You know what would be a really cool video? A historical overview of the role of the main "combat arms," including the three classic ones (infantry, artillery, and cavalry) as well as the modern ones (armor, helicopter, etc).
Finding this right after watching Kings and Generals is perfect because those videos usually have a lot of focus on what kind of unit is fighting, but I had only a vague understanding of what those definitions mean before finding this channel
Man, the edits on your videos are just amazing. Awesome work!
5:50 we don't have "starshina" rank anymore. Now we have various sergeants like USA and NATO countries.
I believe in platoon there's "Main sergeant of platoon", ranked "main sergeant", but I can be wrong
The professionalism and fighting spirit of the Ukrainian military is something with something😮 to say that I'm surprised is to say nothing bravo👏🏻👏🏻
Jesus, it’s so crazy seeing their org chart that’s been shaped by modern major combat ops but also the Frankenstein aspect of it due to its soviet era military inheritance coupled with mishmash of donor equipment
2:45 SVD was replaced to Zbroyar Z-10, the same name UAR-10.
Your explication is so quick but clear. I struggle understanding combat structures at scale but you made it simpler. Any chance you could do a general army structure video from individual to whatever the biggest unit in the military would be. That base explanation would help me understand this even more.
Mechanised and motorized troops usually use the AKS74 with foldable skeleton stock. That's what we used in the 58th motorized brigade and that is a territorial defense unit lower on the equipment list.
If you don't mind answering, What are the differences between the Ukrainian National Guard and the Territorial Defense Forces?
@@luminaaeterna1259 Territorial defence force is similar to militia or lower grade units often created to function as a garrison to free up the better troop as well as consisting of former militias now under military command and control, the nation guard is under the interior ministry and function as internal police/national guard in the US for example, they are not meant to be an offensive force or maybe aggressive force is more correct.
@@INSANESUICIDE Ohhh interesting
Do TDFs get heavier equipment as well? Or they're mostly consisting of Light Infantry at least on paper
@@luminaaeterna1259 Light infantry tends to be specialised AFAIK, think of the TDF as second rate troops in most cases. We had tanks btrs and even an artillery detachment, have to admit I am not sure how the Ukrainians set up their units but this was in the westernisation phase, usually you have detachments of armor recon artillery etc you can attach onto other units if there is a need for it, we had self propelled artillery and tanks, how normal that is I am not sure, we were motorized but on paper mechanised a process that had been ongoing since 2015 if I remember correctly. Then again we were at a very exposed position likely to be the focus of a breakthrough in the event of things going hot, so that might be why we had the heavy support, or it could be what the defence ministry wanted all mechanised TDF units to have. Again on the composition I am not to sure as I was just infantry, and tbh I did not care much for things outside my field or ability to affect. I believe there exists an English Wikipedia page on the 58th, not sure if they are currently listed under mechanised or motorized, if it helps and you want to dig it consists of former donbass militia units. You should probably be able to figure out the composition norms and current state if you have some patience and a translator.
@@INSANESUICIDE I understand, thank you for taking the time in answering some random idiot's questions in the internet
I've always wanted to learn more but I don't know which sources for diving deeper are credible enough and where to start
Fantastic video!
It is interesting to note that they only have one GP-25 per squad. I'm sure they may add more weapon system types per the mission.
Yeah but they also have an RPG in almost every squad, so eh. Idk, man. Odd mix to me that's for sure.
@@prfwrx2497 Yeah, rockets are a great high explosive asset but the back blast can make geometries tricky; especially in an urban setting. But maybe the RPG back blast isn’t as restrictive as either the AT-4 or LAW?
@@LtActionCam No, your initial feelings are correct, RPG-7s have pretty lethal backbast that makes them very tricky to use in urban settings.
@@Kurogumo gotcha thanks for the info!
There'susually more than one gp-25 per squad and almost never there's an SVD.
I would really be interested to know more about how Territorial Defense is equipped and how they are typically used. Would also be interesting to know which formations are getting the new NATO equipment being sent.
Territorial Defence it is in vast majority light infantry on pick up trucks. Some of them(4-5 brigades)would have some tanks, APCs and proper artillery. They're being just like any other light infantry unit. Securing the rear, patrolling roads, guarding crossroads, bridges etc. Securing second and third-tier parts of the front, fighting in heavy environments like cites, heavy forests, hills etc where wide use of heavy equipment is not practical or even possible.
Most of foreign help is going to either reserve brigades which were mobilezed after the war started or to those units that suffered to most in the spring.
@@norbi1411 truth be told, territorial defence units (also known here as ТрО) were used as frontline infantry in some cases last summer. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didnt
@@norbi1411 Ok so for example even M113's and Humvees are not going to territorial defense but instead to reserve units of motorized infantry I assume. So all those technicals we see with rockets in the back etc. are probably made by/for territorial defense?
A regular Territorial Defense battalion has 3...7 riflemen companies + fire support company (heavy grenade launchers, heavy machine guns, atgms) + 82mm/120 mm mortar battery + reconnaissance pt, engineering pt, signals pt and medical pt. There is no armoured vehicles in those batallions, mostly upgraded pickups and civil trucks.
Territorial Defense battalions are often attached to the mechanized/tank brigades, being widely used in trench warfare, building and holding a defensive line along the border, or as the 2nd echelon during the offensive.
As Ukrainian, Ter forces just meat reinforce, which are usually used as reinforcements for mechanized brigades, modern technical units are receiving new formations like 47, 33, 82, 155 brigades
As always, great video! Good you please do a video about the USMC´s expeditionary quick reaction forces (MEU´s etc.)
Damn, the production just gets better with every video.
5:44 "Sergeant major", or chief sergeant, is correct. "Starshina" is no longer used since 2016.
Nice analysis as always. Thank you for keeping those of us that care about logistics informed to the best of your ability.
killed it with this one, king👑
fantastic work as always🔥
2:45 I have not seen the SVD for more than 4 years, the Marksmans are equipped with Ukrainian z-10 rifles
What a fantastic birthday present for me! Great work and Slava Ukraini!
"As for Javelin missiles, while the US Army use them as platoon or squad weapon, no other country can afford that."
God bless America.
0:29 the lads and lasses deserve at least that much hazard pay.
As far as I’m aware these mfs are getting paid better than the average russian grunt.
RIP RusBozos
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Excellent video, very obvious that it is well researched and detailed. It will be interesting to see how our army structure changes after we finish this war )
A very interesting video! Дякую!
Main thing does not mentioned in video, this is theoretical structure.
In wartime amount of equipment is much lower, even infantry weapons are mix of everything. Some brigades have a lot of captured equipment, some have few old soviet half working things.
Constant shortages of heavy equipment, in comparison to russian
Great video, it is very clear on every level of command. I would love to see more videos like this on other countries mechanised infantry.
Unbelievable accurate. A lot of details. I will be interested in video how you gain information like this.
great video as always!! look forward to more videos like this.
Once again an impressive presentation. Thank you so much for high quality content.
Brilliant work!!! Wow
Love that new editing 😎
There’s actually an OK Crimea, but for obvious reasons, it isn’t online or organised until they take it back.
They will not take crimea however and remove the word back ita not like the place was theirs to begin with
@@Silver_Prussian They will take Crimea. Crimea has always been Ukrainian.
@@brandondavis7777 no they wint and crimea has always been russia, learn a bit of history
@@Silver_Prussian It has been controlled by the Greeks, Romans, Genoese and Crimean Tatars for far longer than it was controlled by Russia.
@@questionmaker5666 exept that they didnt left any cultural mark on the peninsula and they didnt populate all of the peninsula so technically it wasnt fully over their control
great once again, thanks for the informative video! especially the place of the javelin in orbat is interesting, as is the placement of an anti-air platoon per batallion.
Many of the Ukrainian battalions nominally under the brigade but are actually separate. If the battalion has a number other than 1, 2, and 3 its technically a seperate battalion which can fight on its own.
Another great video B.O, keep up the great work.
The details! Great videos.. thank you
That was thorough, good job.
A lot of people especially in pro Russian camps tend to tout this idea that Ukraine is NATO spec but this video shows how far that is from reality. They've done joint exercises and had a lot of consulting and outside training since 2014 especially but the military is wholly Ukrainian built and mostly based on what they would already know.
i might add that SVD was completely phased out in favor of UR-15
Very interesting and informative video as always
weapons can be different, for example, instead of a SVD, there can be a Z-10, and instead of an AK, a MALYK or M4 or another trophy or transferred weapon
Sure but I think the fight in Ukraine has demonstrated that small arms are much the same. Well apart from manpads and atgm.
Tanks, ifv, artillery, anti radiation missles etc this high level tech seems to make a big difference. That's just my take. But it is true what you said small arms are very mixed ATM.
Perfect, I've been waiting for this one for a long time
excellent explanation.
Ukraine abandoned svd .
BTR4 is not a modernization of the Soviet armored personnel carriers 70-80, it is a completely new vehicle, with a different engine layout, with different weapons. with another body...
As an Elf from UKR aremored forces, thats video is a complete truce, but one: we dont use SVD as sniper rifle anymore from 2017, its a Teritorial defence rifle now in common, and of cource we use more NATO combat rifles and machineguns
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Спасибо за информацию. Очень ценим!
This really helps to understand the scale of the military Ukraine receives. 14 tanks from the UK doesn't seem much at first, but add 2 companies more and it already satisfies the whole brigade.
Excellent breakdown, thanks!!
Could you do a break down on the Motorised infantry next?
May I what resources you used to ID all the Ukrainian insignia? The amount of detail in this video were very impressive.
@8:38 one brigades tank battalion is comprised of M-55S, Slovenian upgrades of the T-54
Excellent and Outstanding Analysis!!!!
Thank you very much for the video, good luck from Perú. Excuse me, dear team of Battle Order, can i use your explicative videos (with APA rules) for academical works?
Yes but for an academic paper you should cite the sources I’ve listed in the description rather than a UA-cam video
I don't know how you know any of this but good shit.
Lot of really good info here, stuff I'd never heard anywhere else. I just wonder how close the reality reflects the ideal though. Like, for the medical NCOs, are they all getting field promoted to NCO or do they all have time in service too? Like I guess I'm wondering what the mobilization situation is like; I know there are a lot of volunteers but probably also at least some conscripts.
Keeping perfectly to a TO&E is generally not easy even in peacetime, but in war the lowest levels tend to deviate the most. So squads and platoons I am guessing look quite different, but you’d have to interview someone to get a clear picture of what it’s like in their specific unit. But an average brigade having all the battalions it’s supposed to have is much more likely even if they’ve been heavily attrited.
The Medical NCO comment was in relation to what they’re meant to have per the textbooks but I don’t know what the SOP is, whether they’re deviating on how much medical personnel they have in units or by how much
Make a video :
Today Ukraine army is more like Britain army or USA army
Make a video :
Evolution of British army
Make a video :
Evolution of USA Army
@@BattleOrder Well, I was a "medical NCO" a few times as a US Army medic and I never saw combat or got above PFC before my med board so... lol
Video looks amazing!
Love the use of the WARNO soundtrack! Awesome video!
Interesting! Any thoughts on drone recon? If they are in platoon or company level?
Interesting to see which units will receive Bradleys and Marder.
Most likely all the bradleys will go to the newly formed 47th Assault Brigade "Magura", as it uses fully NATO tactics and structure.
or maybe Marders will go to the elite 92th and 93rd brigades
Great video Thank you
another top notch video!☺
Will you do a video about the British Future Commando Force / Royal Marine structure and equipment, it seems they have restructured and changed very differently.
Make an Order of Battle for the Spanish Polivalent Brigades(Brigadas Polivalentes) please :D
Another great video! About time to become a patron :)
Question: Is the Brigade's Anti-tank battalion a new addition since 2022?
Would make sense given the influx of new weapon systems and the new javelin doctrine you referenced.
Wasn't mentioned in the Ukraine video you made last year; so interesting to see the changes in real-time!
Not really. Ukrainian brigades were always supossed to have an ant-tank artillery battalion since their formation but they've been mostly using MT-12 Rapira 100mm anti-tank guns alongside some heavier soviet era and later heavy ukrainian atgms (in paper kormet equivalents but most likely superior since russian made euipment is universally trash) as ukrainian brigadization has been very similar to the russian one (basically take a regiment worth of maneuver units and while using divisional level support units). The new addition is the javelins most likely replacing a single company at minimum with some units most likely replacing more companies as if possible. USSR era divisional anti-tank artillery battalions for example were a mix of 2 gun companies using the mt-12 and one company using atgm carriers or 9P148 Konkurs or Shturm-S.
Hi, the Anti-Tank Battalion has always been there. In that video, since it was kind of a short overview, I think I lumped it into the Brigade Artillery Group. As AT Battalions are part of the artillery branch, they're sometimes included into the Brigade Artillery Groups depending on the source. But tactically they serve a distinct function as a brigade's anti-tank reserve under the brigade, which is why I separated them in this video. The other guy's comment on MT-12s and ATGMs is correct.
Thanks for the replies, that makes a lot of sense when thinking of it as anti-tank artillery (which I suppose thr MT-12 is quite literally).
Thanks for supporting Ukraine!
That massive combat pay increase is a great idea, is this a common doctrine or something they've implemented on the fly?
They’ve given combat bonuses since the start of the war in 2014 but not this much. Base pay has also increased significantly since then
@@BattleOrder I can imagine that helps with pre-contact morale as well as providing incentives for the more experienced/hardened (or militarily institutionalised, we all know the type) servicemen to be more proactive with voluntary duties at high risk of contact, which has a litany of possible benefits as a knock on effect
@@valx7586 yea if i was grunt geting shelled evry day and risking my life i woud like the thouth that at least im gona have some money if survive it defenetly boost morals
@@perfecto1838 they'll also have lives to rebuild once this over, so pay increases for them in general can only be a good thing, I just hope the US gave them a blank check because if that extra pay vanishes it *will* effect overall morale no matter what
@@valx7586 yes they do still have corruption problems but its up to them to figure that out
Could you do a video on airborne variation between different countries
Thanks for all the videos. A question: do Ukrainians officially include drones of any type on any level in their structure? Are they assigned solely to rec units ?
Ive heard they do, either platoon/company headquarters has a drone operator
Yes, we have list of approved by the Ministry of Defense drones which our army can use, but now it’s just a formality
Well job, mr. Battle Order. Good video. Good boy.
Really great stuff
24th Mech has BTR 4 I saw them at the polygon in Yavoriv.
I love that i am not the only person that had to run it back for the generation kill bit that shit was so fucking funny
If Ukrainian mech infantry can put one Javelin attached to a platoon to good work, imagine what a US platoon could do to a Russian tank attack with three organic Javs.
Spoiler alert: at NTC, a Stryker BN wiped the floor with the enemy's tank-led counterattack on a recently captured town. All the BLUFOR had to do was set up hasty positions (took 20 tops minutes for a bunch of loud NCOs to reorganize two companies to face the enemy's direction of attack) and wait for the enemy to come into range. 8 tanks and 11 IFVs were destroyed in 15 minutes, and that was before the AH-64s from Brigade showed up. I imagine a Russian attack going just as well when those boys have the drop on them, but hey, you never know for sure until real bullets start flying.
More like the russian staging area for their assault gets hit by airstrikes or rocket artillery and they’re routed before their attack even makes contact lmao. But yeah, the number of javelins the US has is fucking insane. Probably goes back to cold war doctrine where every NATO military was obsessed with having as many mobile ATGMs as possible to attrit soviet/eastern bloc mechanized units, which made very heavy use of armor
only in the hands of Ukrainian soldiers, the effectiveness of the javelin is about one hundred percent. This is a record in the history of javelins.) ✌️
It’s 19% hit rate for NLAW