This Homeowner SAVED THOUSANDS! --- by NOT Using His Shower. Find out WHY
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2019
- This Homeowner SAVED THOUSAND--- by NOT Using His Shower. Find out WHY
Too often homeowners make the mistake of continuing to use a shower that has been constucted improperly. Tile shower waterproofing done by either PVC pan liner, Hot Mop, Schluter Kerdi, or RedGard is only as good as the person installing it. Homeowners too often trust a handyman or other inexperienced worker to perform the critical task of shower waterproofing. Or they may have purchased a "flip" house with the shower already completed and have no idea how the shower was built.
Luckily, this homeowner recognized that the shower was most likely built by someone who had little knowledge in proper shower waterproofing and construction, so he never used it in 2-1/2 years. This prevented several thousands of dollars in water damage that could have occurred had he used the shower for many years. Click on this video link to see what happens when showers fail: • I Tiled This Shower an...
Framing members rot out and can cause structural damage and mold issues, which might have caused this bathroom to be completely torn out down to the studs, as well as the exterior siding and window. Adjacent rooms would most likely have been damaged as well.
Luckily he called us to come in and build him a new shower.
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I'll bet the guy that did that shower still does it the same way, and goes around saying "I've been doing this for years..."
Guess it depends if they were taught that way and think it correct all this time. Or if they knowingly do that because it’s easier/cheaper. But even as a common person, seems logical of the mistakes
Maybe it was a low bidder. Maybe it was a diy
@@lazydadsgarage Bet it was a homeowner that watched a couple of UA-cam videos and went "hey, I can do that - how hard can it be?" :-)
I fixed more of this shit. And I find it's them Illegal Mexican Bob that does it. I would not buy a house unless I knew it was a professional carpenter. That built it. As electrical can kill your ass or burn you home down with you in it!
Not just years but many probably 50 plus lol
I really appreciate you putting these videos out. I'm here in Florida doing my own general contracting company. I've done tile before while working FOR other people but now that I own my own company the information you're providing is beyond valuable. In the three days since I've found your videos I've made over 4k dollars and I know all my jobs were done right. Thank you again.
Thank you so much. I live in Canada and am a tile installer working with my son. I am learning from you to help take our game to another level. Thank you for taking the time to share all this great advise.
Thank you so much for showing us these videos and taking the time to educate. May God bless you with more for all you do for us and being a good and honest person.
I don't even do tile and I get caught up watching these,, it's like the CSI of water damage.
😂😂😂 I'm there with you
certified installer for over 40 yrs schluter certifed for over 20. great content but please with the rust and hair balls in the drain dont say its never been used
Keep teaching and we will keep learning. Love you professional ethics.
Great video, it's like you are doing detective and forensic work for the audience, it really helps us viewers understand the sort of pathologies that can result from faulty installations. It's real educational, thank you for putting it out there.
Great video! It seems that customers are so ill informed about waterproofing etc. It's not there fault though. Most people are just excited to see the finished product (which they spent countless hours selecting). Most aren't too concerned with the whole explanation and the importance of the prep work involved. Some homebuilders think the same way too. I usually get the "sounds expensive " look when I'm trying to explain the process. Then I lose the job to the guy who probably did this shower in 3 days for 800.00. Hope videos like yours help educate homeowners.
Good work Aaron and Isaac. Thank you.
This video right here is what prompted my husband to email you yesterday. As time on our permit and money has run out, we have halted any further work on our bathroom until we can find out if anything in it is salvageable. Wish we would have found this video a few weeks ago.
Dude I would wear a mask for this sort of stuff. Long term breathing in of all that dust/powder can cause serious lung problems (eg lung cancer). Check out the national health and safety organisation. The one here in the UK gives good advice.
Nice vid!
Video would be muffled probably.
*Thank you for these "forensic" videos.* Very worthwhile for this DIYer.
Great video as always Isaac.
Can’t wait to see the reconstruction.
Bro, I am not a "pro" but have worked on many bathrooms and worked alongside pros. Your vids showing "what can go wrong" are fantastic! Anytime I have worked on a project, proper waterproofing was always the priority :)
I’m a termite inspector in the Bay Area. I’m always leak testing and finding leaking shower pans! Lots of fungus damage. Really enjoy you’re content bro!
You test for leaks as a termite inspector?
Dijon dont termites love soft rotten wood?
Absolutely. I just find it odd. I've never seen a termite inspector do leak testing. Unless he's not with a normal pest control company.
I love your videos. Dude keep kicking ass
I really appreciate these type of videos
Your videos are educational. Thanks
I do this for a living, and you are absolutely correct, I like your videos, keep it up
Perfect example, of how things can go wrong when an inexperienced installer is at he helm. Like your videos Isaac and look forward to the next one. As a side note, I just took and passed my C54 exam last Monday and I’m looking forward to being in business for myself. I’ve been setting Tile for the 13 Year’s and looking forward to the next 30 plus!
Hey man I thought of a potential video you could do. I remember the video you did showing how to float a shower. There was a pretty big negative response from the kerdi viewers. I thought maybe just for fun have a competitive race between a kerdi application and a mud application. I’m an old school thought, California Tile setter like you and I’ve always felt I could do a mud shower faster than someone could do a kerdi shower.
VERY educational! Thanks a lot!
All your videos are very helpful and interesting. I work in the construction area doing hard wood flooring for 14 years in New York Long Island . I watch your videos for fun keep doing them you are teaching a lot
Thank you for your videos I am getting an education for sure. This was perfect timing because we are under construction on our upstairs bathroom. The bathroom was done in the late 60's and there are leaks. Mon. our contractor is measuring for the shower pan and when it comes in you can bet I'm going to watch and see what is done. This contractor has great referrals and my cousin who is a bathroom designer has seen his shower pans and she swears by him.
Great videos. Glad to have so much useful reference material.
Valuable information for homeowners.
You have a wealth of knowledge. I don't think you know how many people you have and will help. I've stayed away from shower tile for the most part because of the whole being "water tight" issue. You can't just keep adding layers and putting a screw through it expecting it to seal?....😂Thank you for the videos!
I've been binge watching your videos and I've been learning allot. Great videos and much appreciated! 😁
Thanks for the advice
The beauty of these videos is that I know how to ask questions in order to qualify a good installer. Also, which products or designs are potentially a failure.
I need to be studying but I’m addicted to these damn videos by Isaac. Informative as heck! Thanks for the uploads.
subscribed. your channel will skyrocket, it's awesome info
Here in western Oklahoma, we own and operate a plumbing and flooring business, and I would say, that a large majority of tile installers dont even know that a shower pan and specifics are in fact in the plumbing code, a lot of the shower remodles I've done in the last 5 years have been from houses less that 10 yra old and some even newer than that, all due to bad pans and very poor quality. Very sad, for the customers and also that the quality of work in our area goes down with every one needing replaced. So again, thanks for the videos and great job on integrity. Work hard my feiends.
UA-cam just keep sending me all the tile failure videos. Ultimately reassuring my decision to go with a one piece fibreglass insert. 15 years later looks brand new. This guy is super professional and knowledgeable. Too bad he keeps getting screwed by bad drains and failing products. Never ending uphill battle.
I have learned so much just watching your videos , thank you
U make great videos man keep em comin!
Love how you blame s handyman for every bad shower/tile job. Just finished redoing a Licensed Skilled Contractor" installed shower. Another big mess made by a contractor that only sees dollar signs from the homeowner. I remember seeing several of your vids that you were redoing a shower you messed up. Don't be so quick to point your fingers. I'm not a contractor but a handyman and never had a repeat install on any tile/showers I've ever done. I've made an honest living fixing CONTRACTOR mistakes.
Yup, a license doesn't mean skill , nor experience.
Very informative. Great.
These fail videos are amazingly educational.
Wood bench,no no . This why I do a shower every 4 weeks. Everybody thinks they can do a shower. Will it keeps us busy. Good job in explaining what went wrong.🤛
What should the bench framing be made out of?
Justin Vandergriff should be cement block.fill in with mortar, when its total dry then waterproof with the walls.
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks a bunch.
Great video to learn from. Thank you very much.
Well explained. Thank you 🙏 for the video
Videos like this can give a home owner at least an idea of what to look for it you get it contracted out. Good info
Your videos are a great way for me to understand what questions to ask when interviewing contractors for jobs. I at least will know how NOT to do things.
I own a Tile, Grout and Stone Restoration business in placer county. I have run into stuff like this quite a bit over the years! My favorite is when they just mastic directly to the drywall!
Isaac Ostrom ok awesome will do! Where is your shop at? Or what’s the name of it and I can search for it
Dam I enjoy having your vids man. 2nd generation tile guy from Hawaii 🤙🏼
There are entirely too many runaway helpers out there! Damn shame!!!
Isaac, you had a major pop on this video, but much more so with your video last week. Holy cow.
Loving these videos but I’m always sad when they end. I really want to see the completed project or the process behind finishing the project.
Esteban Marquez I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT THIS GUY NEVER REALY SHOWS THE END RESULT OR FINISHED PROJECT 👍
I've pulled out my fair share of that drain licorice-YUM !!
A tip about weep holes even if installed properly, hard water deposits will clog them over time. The vinyl pan liners is old technology meant to replace traditional copper and zinc liners, and it fails the test of time. I won't install them anymore. Today's membranes like Kerdi and Hydra Ban are the way to go. Stopping the water 'before' it reaches the mud bed just makes sense.
Thanks for these videos, invaluable!!!;-)
Yeah, fail videos are great. Keep 'em coming. 😎👍
that will be a lot of videos there are so many ways to fail in a shower and guys are always finding new ones
Thankyou
That shower was absolutely doomed from the panliner being cut at the "curbless" entry area! Wow! All the weird folds and screws don't even matter with that liner cut right to the subfloor like that.🤪
they would have been better off red guarding the drywall and puting tile strait to that!
some peoples kids !
in uk we use mostly shower trays which have very few problems if looked after
Man... some people should never attempt to do tile. Amazes me to see what some of these hacks do.
Erin looked like you were Chris Hanson asking about emails there at first.lol
I used moisture resistant drywall in my shower with Schlueter membrane over it, only because the drywall is completely encapsulated by the membrane. When I tile the bathtub, I'll use blacker board only because where the tube and tile meet is not 100% sealed.
Good vid pal
Promise it's one of those guys that says I've been doing this 20 year's and never had a problem
"Yup, I've been fucking houses up for 20 years, son. I know how to do it"
Sticking the pan drain down on top of the liner really was the only issue but a serious one!
He caulked the weep holes. LOL
I’m in sacramento, I would love a quote for tile shower.
Just cleared out the old latex to recaulk my shower and we have a bench just like that. The top of the bench got wobbly after old caulk was removed. Pulled up easily because water had gotten under it. We have the same set up with a wooden box frame there and now we have to get somebody out to give us quotes on restoring it all correctly OR remodeling the entire shower. We have solid surface panels and not tile. Now I am wondering if we should just go for the whole remodel in case anything else was done wrong by the builder.
Need to really get an answer one something, from TileCoach of anyone knowledgeable. Im doing a reno myself and trusted only the plumbing to a contractor (Bad Decision). He came in, installed the shower pan without a pre-slope. I made him come back and he convinced me I was wrong about needing a preslope. Im just going to say f it and do it myself, because I can't trust any contractors in Michigan.
So - my question revolves around the wall board.
Do I float my pre-slope BEFORE any cement board (including on the bench seat)?
My plan was
- Float pre-slope
- Install Liner
- Float Shower Curb
- Float second mortar slope
- Install cement board on walls and bench
- Waterproof over those
- Thinset and Tile
AM I MESSING UP THIS ORDER? HOW DO I HANDLE THE GAP IN SPACE BETWEEN THE CEMENT BOARD AND PAN?
These pan liners seem crazy. You would never see this in the UK.
I'm not going to pick apart who ever done that,but dang man
Do homeowners ever sue the faulty shower installer for water damage and money paid for a job that didn't meet standards and had to be redone?? Are there standards?? Or code?? Your vids help educate the tradespeople but also the homeowners to ask the right questions. Contractors prob hate when homeowners start to second-guess them, unless their skill knowledge is spot on correct. And in that case they should be able to give the owner a warranty of water-proof, leak-proof installation, or they redo the job.
Wow, I would had done a few of those things lol
The best example of what not to do sometimes
TL;DW the waterproofing was screwed up SUPER bad, and if it had been used regularly water would have gotten into the framing members and caused a HUGE issue. Thanks for the video man 👍 pay attention to water management details folks
How about El Dorado County? Our tile guy put the Schluter system on top of green drywall.
schluter says you can use their product over drywall.
That is acceptable according to Schluter and the TCNA. If he installed the schluter properly you won't have any problems
That always amazes me when I see screws through the showerpan vinyl showerpan have been around for a long long time when they're right they work great when they're wrong it's pretty amazing the damage that's in that shower just think if that was water getting into the walls for 2 years
What I’ve learned is, I’m glad I don’t own a tile shower haha
You have a tub? Or bath fitter
Don't bother with wall tiles. Concrete the walls, and finish with a skim coat. Then cover with a clear waterproof resin. Looks great and lasts forever.
Get a shower cabin. You don't have all these disasters when you install shower cabins. You will do ok even without waterproofing the floor. Much better, for a fraction of the cost.
As an architect I like to spec out Schluter Systems for showers. It works great.
Your name suggests shilling as does your convenient advertising.
just an opinion on sealing the indentation in the underside of the drain flange:
I have always relied on a clean connection there, in other words, rubber to plastic.
by adding a caulking there we would be relying on the caulking alone, as that caulking ages it will possibly fail leaving a void there. it makes more sense to me that the rubber/liner is directly forming the seal at the flange. I have a lot of pans out there and the same phone number for over 25 years. I enjoy your videos
At least the warning signs were visible here. Many bad jobs don't show signs until years later.
Tons of people that have been doing their incompetent work for many years.
All that experience, all that arrogance, all that money, all that time, all the headaches, all the resources.
All a waste.
Thanks for the video's. As much as I hate the incompetence and malicious behavior of people, I LOVE to see the results of their "mistakes".
Even if I don't really learn anything new, it at least brings awareness and focus to real problems.
Thanks for the video. FYI your audio is only in my left ear (homeowner's mic was in my right ear, intro sound was in both).
@@TileCoach lol. just thought i would help you out there.
The guy was just trying to keep those inside liner corners square and tight man! Jeez! 😂🤣😃
Hello. Any chance of a follow up video giving us confirmation on wether the home owner did or did not use the shower in question ?
Hi. Having watched so many tiling videos from America it seems they are really big on these 'step in' type showers with liners and tiled floors. Sorry i don't know what you call them! Here in the UK, and im sure you have them in the US, we have plastic/composite shower trays that we tile down onto. If we do want tiled floor we buy preformed trays made from high-density extruded polystyrene from Wedi or Dukkaboard and others. Great systems and foolproof. Ive been fixing for 34 years and TBH i do very few 'wet room' type shower rooms. There just is not the demand for that type work. We construct the walls from stud, shower tray set in adhesive or on legs, 12mm backer board down to tray (small gap) decent flexi powder adhesive, flexi grout, tile, finishing with a mastic bead. Been doing it this way for years and never any problems ever.
Is the clamping ring slotted to allow water to pass? Other wise it’ll just get trapped ? A paintable tanking membrane would water proof that up nicely
Hello from Fresno! Channel is awesome, wish it was around ten years ago when I remodeled my parents bathrooms. I cringe every time I am at their house. LOL
Quick question, wife and I are looking at buying a new house that has epoxy pebble flooring. Can I tile directly over it, or should I remove it first? House has a cement foundation.
I can't even imagine the kind of poor work you see done in your trade.
Expect to get a lot of business in the next few years in west Roseville
and the other new neighborhoods being built.
All those neighborhoods need carpet stretched or replaced in less than 5 years,
I can only imagine what they get away underneath it all...
who would you recommend to do bathroom remodeling in San Diego?
I am doing a shower right now basically the same scenario just not curb less, what is a good ballpark price for demo and rebuild with a bench, and niche just labor. The water from the rusty nails on the curb actually stained the face of the tile.
I know of people who still use drywall in tiled showers. OMG One homeowner 'know-it-all" bought a house and redid two bathrooms, did a crappy job on tile finishing, until he got feedback from potential buyers, so he redid the tile. It looked better, but still a tear out ! DO NOT USE.
Nice vid
So if you take that bench out do you have to put in a new subfloor, pan and /or liner?
Hey dude just a quick question what hammer are you using in this video ?? is it a east wing 24oz ??
Please wear safety shoes and saftyglasses when needed love the video’s
drywall in a shower? Holy cow, that is bad.
I've got drywall under the tiles around my tub, from 1958. I've had to re-set a bunch of them, and always re-attached them with silicone keying into holes I punched in the drywall, but they don't come loose anymore. It was a bad idea in 1958, but it would have been a whole lot worse if the tiles went all the way down to the floor.
Very common in the UK they put up a moisture resistant form bit it ain't waterproof and they don't waterproof it. Even big firms do it and are still trading?
It used to be really common. Practically the norm. It's a bad idea, but I grew up watching my dad and handymen do it, and as an adult just about every single shower I' saw through the 90s were all done in drywall. Usually the green papered water resistant stuff. I only started to notice people using cement board in the 2000s.
You can use drywall under Kerdi
@Luis Repollet green board is BS, its better than standard but marginally.
Hey Tile coach
really nice videos I've learned a lot with all your help.. one question
I've always been a really fan of MK wet saw's, had a MK 101 the first model (with black motor on it) and never had a problem which got stolen
I bought a second MK 101 (with green motor on it) I had use it for one year and a half not a everyday use wet saw and its been two times already since motor pulley broke its frustrating now I'm thinking to switch to a different wet saw brand, would you recommend me a good wet saw??? any suggestions will help Thank you so much!!!!
Dewalt is my favorite right now. Not very durable, but light weight and good power. My guys get a new one every few years.
Someone used that shower I’m actually surprised it lasted that long.
When I see videos like this, I always wonder if the people that did the original bad job ever get to see their 'handiwork' being reviewed. :-)
Thats a bummer.
Hi mate are you going to do an installation video?
Cheap labor isn't skill,Skilled Labor isn't Cheap!!
2 years without use and that drain still was holding water with the hair! “Yummy” 🤣
JaySoos bullshit.. the water would
Evaporate