Why This HUGE Granite Slab Shower FAILED!
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Too many installers are out there don't understand all the details that go into proper shower construction. This botched granite slab shower job was another instance where just a few more steps could have resulted in a long lasting beautiful shower installation.
Instead, the beauty of the polished granite veneer hid the ugly underside of mold, fungus, and dry rot that resulted from improper substrates and blocked weep holes in the drain.
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Video should be called "What happens when a counter top installer builds a shower"
Exactly what I was thinking.
We just prepped a shower for Cambria slab every where. Looks awesome. Those guys can make a seam disappear for sure
True. Job for a tiler. Needed tanking and aqua boarding all the walls and timber before even thinking of putting any tiles or granite
this video should be called americans cant build for shit
I was thinking just that
This video is a prime example of why we will never be out of business. Professionals who do stuff of this caliber need to be out of business. Great video
But it lasted 20 years... peoples line in home average what 5 years. Plus 20 years out of style any way?.
20 years is respectable. They didn’t know then what we know now.
A shower built to modern “UA-cam standards” would probably last 50 to 100 years.
@@Peter-td3yk It doesn't matter that it's out of style. Shitty installation damaged the house, not just the ugly-ass shower.
Still amazes me on how we used to install full slabs on bathrooms. I remember we used to install a full slab on the ceiling. People just don't know what to do with their money. These were expensive bathrooms back then. I'm not sure if they still do this, but this was a pain to do with 6 guys helping you carry the slab.
I have watched dozens of these videos, showing complete disasters from 'professionally installed' bath and shower tiles. It is sobering and it is not clear what the conclusion should be. As the house owner noted, he did his homework and thought he had chosen a reputable contractor. Yet the install fails on the most basic of all requirements--a shower should not leak and destroy the house.
I have done enough DYI to have huge respect for folks who have mastered their trade. Tiling requires education, experience, patience and care. I have done three bathrooms on my own and it takes me weeks to do what a professional can do in a couple of days. But I will say this: I would never, ever take shortcuts that would 'look good' but would risk failure in my own home. This is the reason why I prefer to do all of the work myself, even if it takes a lot of my time to get it done.
It took 20 years to finally expose the subcontractor. Very entertaining, Thank you.
That is the problem with a build like this, it's just good enough you don't notice anything for a while then suddenly it starts just falling apart... Or worse the floor collapses because the damage is't visible.
No pissing in the new shower guys! You saw what it did to the old one!
“I don’t mind if you pee in the shower, but only if your taking a shower!”
piss staining LOL that yellow stuff
signs of potassium nitrate.
A drains a drain!
C All Thank you George Costanza!
Water is very very smart at finding it's way. Especially into apple macbooks!
Those fucking things are disabled by humidity....ffs
If the shower was built on the moon it would never leak.
Bummer that no effort was made to salvage the stone. What a waste.
A lot of waste in construction as it is too expensive to take the time to try and save.
Linda Deneher u have to be alert at construction sites near u n see wat u can salvage. It is expensive to sort the waste n theres no centre to buy back all the reusable materials. I woodwork for a living n i do weekly scouting at nearby construction sites n factories to see if theyre throwing out any wood pallets or wood beams i can use for my work.
@@arsyadidris2919 actually there's a store where im at which sells salvaged construction materials at a lower cost
Given all the staining from the lower end of the granite from the hot mop, what would you expect them to do to salvage it? Cut off the staining and get a piece that's too short? Leave it and have an unsightly stain? Also, given how securely the granite was adhered to the wall, how much more effort would have been needed to remove the pieces intact? Nope, the granite was a lost cause.
@@johncochran8497 ive helped my boss with a remodel job, removed two giant mirrors.
We figured it would crack anyway so might as well smash it off the wall by throwing a hammer at it rather than try to pry it and get cut.
Idk why but i decided to pull it a bit and it popped off right away and we managed to salvage it.
End of the day he gave me it free and i ended up with two mirrors which i used for my new house. They were worth 200-300 each and i was gonna buy one but was lucky.
This shower could have easily been salvaged and turned into a nice outdoor table. I would have helped remove it for free just to keep it.
Why not recycle? It doesnt have to go back on the wall, the stain could be trimmed off. Things can be repurposed instead of filling a landfill.
All of earth's hard work growing that granite for it to be so simply destroyed is the saddest thing here. Once granite is cut and destroyed it's irreplaceable. It's not just a stone!
This dude is so respectful, even to the people that screwed up. No complaints, he just fixes things. True professional. What comes from the dirt, goes back to the dirt.
Cool spark coming out of the granite at 5:49.
Being a tile man, with 20 plus years in the trade, agree with you in regards to adhering tile or stone to dimensional wood is a no no (pressboard and osb are also unacceptable). Another concern here is where is the pan liner? I've seen this kind of damage and worse from water getting into places you don't want it. Anyway, nice video ;)
Next time use quartz miter all the outside corners and tile the floor with real tile. Granite doesn't belong in a shower too porus needs too much sealing.
Ill have to admit that this is a great way to show people that you know what you are doing and to get more people to want to hire you.
When my grandparents bought their house it had 2 original showers from 1974 and the person who tiled put the tile right onto the drywall. After 43 years of water beating against it the moisture had wicked through the grout and caused the plaster board to crumble they fixed this by jb welding strips of lathe to the back of the wall. We had to use one of them for about a year while the other one was redone, in the end the straw that broke the camels back was when my sister bumped the wall lightly and it caved in. We went in and put the schluter system in and have had no problems since. Also floor was a lead shower pan with about 2-3 inches on concrete and then tile but then the people decided they didn’t like the tile on the floor so they just tiled over it leaving the drain a 1/4 in below the rest of the pan. Anyway it was ridiculous.
you have given me so much knowledge. Your shower failure videos are so educational and show us exactly what NOT to do. Thanks Coach.
I got something in my eye just watching this video.
There is so much to be learnt from demolishing bathrooms. What works, what doesn't. It is the best way for us to learn and improve. Would have looked $$ when it was done!
asides from the asphalt leaching through -and staining the stone ,if a sealer and periodic maintenance were done this would probably have lasted a lot longer than 20 years
Yeah, sure looks like the caulking failed along with the grout. How it was attached to the wall is only a small part of the problem. The real problem started when the caulking lifted and the home owner did nothing.
I met a woman online and she asked me over for dinner one night. She asked while I was there could I recaulk her bathtub. I said sure. As I was checking out the situation I pressed against the tub surround and the whole wall moved. I asked her to go outside and sure enough the ENTIRE wall moved.
I said "how long has it been like this"? Oh about 4 years....Well, I said, this wall has to come down, it's saturated and probably full of mold.
@@muskokamike127
thats one way to get laid i guess ?
@@DanKirchner5150 Yup, used my caulking gun on her bathtub, then used my cocking gun on her! hahaha (and yes, I thought of that when she asked me to do her tub, but for once, I kept my mouth shut until after hahahaha)
A properly built shower would function and drain out with no grout at all. Water in water out is how a proper one is built.
@@rubenp8750 true , yet even the ancient ruins of athens ,though properly built ,failed from neglect of maintenance
Love your videos. One thing I’d recommend to make them even better is if you guys made a little more point to the viewers to wear safety glasses when hammering, jackhammering and using other power tools... just my .02c
😲😲😲 Another great video Isaac! Another reason the granite failed: MIRROR INSTALLERS installed the granite 😜! And they installed directly onto green board! Another reason the granite wall stained, a lot of people are unaware that granite is one of the most porous stones, and must be sealed when you install, and every year after. In a shower, with water and scummy soap hitting it every day, I would imagine sealing it twice a year with the best 5-year granite sealer just like counter tops. I would not recommend granite in a shower anyway, except for the shelf in your wall niche. I can't stand to see tilers who apply thinset like they are mirror installers instead! This is an epidemic here in Florida, every foreclosed condo I buy to remodel and flip, I knock on the living room floor tiles with my knuckles and hear all the hollow spots from the guys who put down 5 blobs of mortar and call it a day. Please post a video of your finished product.
Years ago my buddy installed Luna pearl granite in his kitchen. He used mirror mastic [which is a black tarry material] to stick the splashes. Within a few weeks the black dots of mastic migrated through the granite leaving dark spots where used... he had to replace all of it. Most granite is porous and allows moisture and even color to pass through. He found that out in short order.
Who puts wood in the shower structure? Man so different standards here in Europe..
To be fair, I don't think that previous contractor was up to our standards here either
Man, a solid granite shower down the drain? No pun intended. That job probably cost $10K and now it's got to be done over...wow!
The owner did not look happy. I've learned 90% of contractors will screw you if you don't have someone/yourself inspect the work each and everyday. They will cut every corner they can. These contractors usually can tell right away if they can take advantage of you. All they have to know is your schedule (how busy you are) and how "knowledgeable" you are of the work that has to be done. Your pretty much screwed if you work a fulltime job and are not very knowledgeable of the work being done.
I tend to get vibes from people that I meet and pretty much every general contractor that I see gives me this sleezy, scammy vibe that makes me want to check my wallet and take a shower.
Or the owner went with the lowest bid. Usually the real problem.
You dont need to have knowledge in this case to know they fkd up this 100%. This kind of shit job was possible because owner of this house didnt give a single fuck about it. Now he will pay 2x the price.
I don’t even think it’s necessarily screwing an owner on purpose. I firmly believe most of it is someone trying to do a good job but just too dumb to know how to do it right.
I think you pay for what you get.
Say no to tiles and grout. Showers should be built like your kitchen sink.
not disclosed In Europe nearly every shower is made from tile and grout - it just needs the right craftsmanship to be done properly 😉 Its a lot more elegant than the typical plastic showers in the US
Um most countries outside US use tile, grout and concrete. It works well if done properly. Even looks better just very slippery.
@ After a while even with the non slip tile. It's still gonna be slippery. It's no problem. Asians just have slipper specific for the bathrooms. :)
PVC panels
A one piece unit is the way to go. No leaks!
Billions of years for that granite to form and the previous contractor f***d it up in an afternoon.
Billions...? I don't think so.
@Star Fiche he's probably one of those people who think the earth is only a few thousand years old.
@@cilith1 god damn jesus christ
but it doesnt take a billion years to form
@Star Fiche the bulk of the north american craton (various suites of granitoid intrusives that forms the basis of the land we live on) was formed over that time but it doesnt take the granitoids themselves a billion years to crystallize. there are many subsequent intrusive events of granitoids into this mass that have been occurring ever since with intervals of less than 5 million years between them in which the previous intrusive had fully crystallized
Professionals don't need safety goggles. What can possibly happen? A piece of granite will never hit my eye.
Or decent boots when pulling granite off walls.
You try working in safety glasses. I've yet to find a pair that don't fog if you're actually working. Professionals close their eyes for safety.
Flex seal would've fixed this. Hahaha
no just some baking soda and lemon will do
What a shame. That would have cost a small fortune to install and should have been a keeper. Many years ago I decided to research and do as much work as possible myself because it's my home and it matters to me that things are done right. My usual experience with tradesmen (in 20 years I've only found three who were top notch, for jobs involving gas fitting and electrics I can't legally do) was that *if* they turned up they had cool power tools but really no more of a clue than I did. I'm now that chick with the power tools.
What a shame, so much granite wasted.
Nice video!
Those weep holes will fail no matter what type of method you use (gravel or nails or whatever) .The minerals in the water will clog those weep holes.A water softener will delay the inevitable but it will eventually fail .I believe the 100% cure is to use a pre made pan and then have your tile walls start from there.
good point!! weep holes are overstated!!! No different than in a masonry wall. Block or Brick, the weep holes plug up and now you have moisture trapped behind the walls
Exactly Right! They make stone composite resin one piece pans why screw around building a pan that's destine to fail.
Home owner power tools, sneakers, and no safety glasses while demolishing granite? I’m not too confident in your critique of the original contractor.
What does any of that reflect on his skills? Sounds like you’re nit picking prick. Watch any other video and you’ll shut the hell up. Can’t believe people liked your comment, agreeing with you.
He's making so much money he doesn't care.
Wood shower curbs are a huge no no. Forming up and pouring a concrete curb with a 40 mil pvc membrane pulled through the center of the curb will 100% prevent curb failure. Pvc membrane instead of tar-mop floor liner would have also prevented the staining on the granite. Doing it right takes time. You get what you pay for.
Cool vid. Shocked you were hammering stone down toward Jonny at the 5:00 and he doesn’t even have eye protection though.
Shocked your dad didn't wear any protection and look what happened....
Great analysis, great skills dealing with the client , I'm contractor I'm enjoying your videos Man.
*20 years ago contractors did not have UA-cam to learn how to install tile* 😀😀😀
20 years not that bad for a shower, it's not like 2-3 years after install , but for sure even 20 years ago we had good standards
20 years ago was 1998 I’m pretty sure schluter was a thing. How about we don’t use petroleum distillates as an interior building products.
Isaac Ostrom this is true, I go on youtube learning from various youtubers and now I understand how it works. I even installed my own shower following the “pros” methods; let’s hope it lasts a long time as it expected :)
You tube still cannot replace training and knowledge
20 years ago tilers were still tiling over greenboard, which is bad and mostly no longer done or allowed.
Schluter, RedGard, even cement backerboards are all fairly new in terms of popular usage.
Tar??? We also don’t need 90+% audio level when jackhammering
Then I suggest not watching a construction video
Oh cry about it. Turn down the volume you basement dweller. This generation I swear, soft as vanilla pudding.
BATHROOM UNBOXING!!!
Great video Mr.O🤙🏽🙏💯 green board looked good just that weep hole protection could’ve been avoided.
Green board ✔️
No waterproof on green board ✔️
No mold on green board ✔️
20yrs and still standing ✔️
But when Starr does his green board with red guard everybody criticize him. Just sit back and relax and watch the comments come Mr.O good and bad😂😂😂... GREAT JOB AGAIN🤙🏽
there are no grout joints in this wall except for corners. green board at curb is shot and degraded at joint with hot mop. why would you use green board at all with all of the choices for backer materials out there
@@pauldhennessey Logically Greenboard+liquid waterproofer is fine. It's approved in all of Europe, and I could even dig up a California building code approval document that specifically allows Greenboard with liquid waterproofer (the document stated that if you tried to pass a shower with only green board, you'd need to pay a reinspection fee after Redgaurding it...) I personally feel Greenboard/drywall in general lays out flatter than cement boards except Hardie (which has its own issues...) so it's easier to get a flatter wall. Still, like Isaac shows, if you really want it flat, straight edge and masonry is the best way. But, the sky isn't falling, as Bob likes to say. :D
@@GilBatesLovesyou Doesn't green board lay as flat as any other material on the frame. Or do you use it to bridge gaps by not screwing it down tight. It's one thing to do do your own home with green board and another to use it in a clients home. Could you please look up what kind of warranty to offer your clients when using green board in a shower. I haven't found one. Logically, homeowners may want a guarantee to come with their multi-thousand dollar project. Is this the same Bob that just recently leaned how to dry pack and states that there is no gravity in a shower pan? And the green board in this video exposed to water is shot, is it not
@@pauldhennessey Bob actually fucks up his Greenboard and doesn't do stuff properly. In Europe where it's actually approved you need to use the waterproof reinforcing tape, as in, the six inch roll of stuff in corners, etc. Also for drywall mud I think he'd be better off using Durabond 90 or some kind of setting compound. In this setup, I think you're doing better than Kerdi, as Isaac shows. You'd also get a warranty there, in USA I think the situation was Greenboard had such a bad rep from using it with no waterproofing that cement boards became standard. But then cement boards still fail and leak if you don't waterproof them or tape the seams.
For laying flatter, some boards like Durock are very "bendy" and Hardi is more rigid. Greenboard as well is fairly rigid. Not that it's perfect, it's more like the difference of 5/8" drywall vs 1/2" for showing less framing imperfections.
Personally, in my own bathroom, I went extra insane and actually used Wonderboard on all walls, with one little area getting greenboard due to the cut dimensions. The ceiling got 5/8" drywall, I plastered over everything not being tiled. I went a little overkill.
@@GilBatesLovesyou Waterproofing is pretty bomber stuff indeed when installed correctly. I've used hardibacker with laticrete hydroban 6 inch tape and waterproofing and had good results. The reason I went with laticrete is because my local tile supply is a laticrete dealer and they back my installs as long as I follow their protocol.
I've noticed inconsistencies with thickness on hardibacker and have had to float seams more than once. And you're right there is little structural integrity with gypsum or cement panels so framing integrity and flatness is importantWet shimming technique seems like the best way to go short of mud floating for getting flat walls in a timely manner.
I've since switch to Wedi panels because they are light, easy to cut, waterproof, easy to install and you can tile within 2 hours after applying sealant. However, they are 3x as expensive as CBU's but do save on installation time and waterproofing.
And there is nothing wrong with overkill. Redundancy can be the difference between failure and success with building products
funny to see a shower wall be more sturdy than the wall of the house it's attached to.....
Love these kinda videos. Your channel is one of the only that I consider legitimate in the UA-cam space on tile/stone related installs. More installers need to abide by ANSI/TCNA, it’s giving a bad name to our trade. Keep up the good work!
I did my first bathroom 19 years ago and it's still perfect.
How i know, because it's in my sisters house. Would i do something different today, no because i studied beforehand how to do everything right, at first place.
Thumbnail made me think this was a PS2 game.
When demoing Granite like that why not make the effort to save the slab? Just wondering if that’s possible.
It's very very possible to save the slab. That guy is just as shitty as the original GC.
granite is hard to save on the initial install ... it can break anytime it feels like it.
Its possible but by the time you do it you probably spent a lot on labour and the goodwill of the client to get it out, and for all your trouble you end up with a half stained piece of granite with lumps of glue all over the back of it that you'll probably never use for anything and will probably end up having to pay to dump in a couple of years when you get sick of it sitting with all the other half-good salvaged materials in your backyard.
Speaking from experience.
That granite was in no shape to be saving. Look at the internal staining at the bottom... Also imagine how long it would take to remove and scrape off and prepare this peice of granite. Who do you think is going to pay for time.....
Mr red guard say if you put stones in weep holes you will clog it up. Lol 😂
Ask This Old Tile Man IDK bout that I think he has a video on drains and he uses weep hole protectors. But look at that green board with no waterproof and people knock him for green board with water proof😳.
Sucks for the homeowner. Paid all that and then got water damage
One $5 tube of silicone would have prevented all that...but rich people are stupid
no name channel no he trusted the guy he paid to do a good job. Also not necessarily rich. Should be have vetted the contractor better? Yes but I still feel bad
That granite was expensive 20yrs ago, I’m sure they paid big bucks for this
Nice video. Looks strange seeing someone demolish a bathroom in their best Sunday clothes though. 🙃
Notice how when any real work is getting done this guys metrosexual clothes are nowhere in the shot. He just tugs on some things and then makes his UA-cam video. Put him on the h&g channel for the housewives to watch imo
Got work gloves but no work boots. Safety first
@@lightmarepeno there is a speed up where he helps demolish the shower...
vzgsxr Sunday best? You can get his whole outfit at the thrift for no more than $15
@@wisdomball4584 That was the worst part: He's up on a ladder with a crowbar working on a slab section that was way to big to handle. If that had popped off the wall he'd have been in trouble. That didn't display a lot of work sense.
As an East Coaster, I'm just discovering this "hot mop" thing. It seems to be the worst way to deal with a shower stall.
Back when I did beverly hills, I NEVER saw a bathroom done with anything except hot mop. Our hotmopper never...had...one...single...failure. I think he finally retired when he hit 70 years old. His hotmop jobs were tougher than nails. Listening to idiots badmouth hotmops made me realize that there are very few good hotmoppers out there.
Things like this are why I laugh when people tell me I should want to live in a newer house because it'll have "less things to fix." What's that saying? "If you want it done right..."
Try some eye, ear, and toe protection next time. Seen a guy lose sight in an eye hitting marble like that. A piece flew off and went straight into his cornea.
How bad was it?
@@Lyle-xc9pg He is permanently blind in that eye, now. Still has the eye but no vision in it. So about as bad as it can be for just wacking on some shit with a hammer.
Ouch! I've had it with an amber in the eye when fanning a coal fire... luckily nothing permanent happened... But it was so painful!
Would love to come work with you on a job. I have 36years experience and take alot of pride in my work
Nobody going to talk about how he isnt dressed for work?
Yep, he is the boss
Pancakebut he dresses like that for work what’s wrong with It?
Lead by example . Skinny jeans ain’t allowed on my job lol love the work an videos tho
he's probably only working for the video on this one.
If the pants were normal blue jeans it would work fine. But with the jacket hoodie it just seems weird. Also if he was just wearing a sweat shirt or button up shirt instead of the jecket and hoodie it could work. Its like its too much weird stuff all at once the way it is
I'm a private interior design consultant specializing in high-end kitchen and bath remodeling. Been doing high-end bathroom remodels for over 30 years. Never even heard of a hot mop before. One of course he should have used the shower pan. But two I also noticed that people will put too much material inside of a shower pan never giving the shower a chance to dry after each use. Just fyi.
Who needs safety glasses? Not these professionals! 😎
outoforder0101 osha is deaded after this
forest gump YOUR eyeballs not theirs
dude a wooden wedge wouldve gotten that granite off the wall without a chip. this hurts my heart that could've been re used as a counter top.
Isaac Ostrom fair enough, now I’ll really cry 😢 rip beautiful granite slab gone too soon
Using WOOD as a base for a curb? That sounds like a really bad idea...
Usually done that way but is covered with waterproof membrane so NO water ever gets through.
@@tygrahof9268 Yea, sure I get that. But still doesn't make sense to me... Water doesn't have to get in there, some moisture is just enough, not to mention wood is flexible, which tells me that with some flex it could break the grout, or the tile itself if stepped on (even if the waterproofing holds, it'll look broken)... Why take any chance if you can use concrete blocks to mitigate every possible problem? We call them ytong blocks here, not sure if there's a specific name for it though.
@@Sheppards1984 Other foam and such is being used now but cheaper and faster to build your curb and seats and benches out of wood, basic construction then waterproof the freak out of it. Underlayment and sealing paint is typical.
Sheppards1984 the frame of the house is made of timber if it’s done right there shouldn’t be an issue
Many times saw such work , it is common in old days ( 20 + years ) to build with Micky Maus contractors , even new homes builders , cutting corners or simply not knowing how , with no membrane protection and properly water sealed , regardless if is on concrete floor or wooden sub floor , water tight membranes must be installed , this house had extreme mold issue in that area that cause health hazards due long time exposure , owners may not aware of it , nobody told them!
I would direct you to this CDC page re some mold risks:
www.cdc.gov/mold/pdfs/aiphi_report.pdf
"Regarding the proposed causal connection between cases and Stachybotrys atra in particular, or other hydrophilic fungi/molds in general, this hypothesis is not scientifically proven by the CDC investigations; it may not even be strongly supported by the available evidence, both epidemiologic and biologic."
@@SO-px3qb Hi Sir, thanks for interesting report conducted by CDC regarding Molds exposure. Mold exposure is in a category of exposures recognized by a Health and Safety Agencies and treated as hazardous exposures described in Health and Safety Acts.
Guy's I love the video, great expose. Please wear the safety shoes. Tennis shoes are for John Mckenroe. Eye protection and ear protection boys, put em on. Each hammer blow on that pry bar is 160 decibels. Do that for 20 years and see what happens.....I said do that for 20 years and see what happens.
Just a point of clarification... if it's "wet" then it's not "dryrot." Carry on.
That was interesting. Pet peeve of mine too. No such thing as dry rot. It’s just rot. Great video though. I love these tear downs!
nice job on the explanation and excellent knowledge. however, why aren't you guys wearing protective gear? where i live that's a HUGE fine. please use ppe.
HEY! He's got workman's comp if he loses an eye!
Where do you live, Canada?
There is a button called video stabilization in options when recording by smartphone. It changes quality of the video tremendously.
Granite pathways steps for your garden anyone? 🙋
The bloke working at 7:20 without using his safety glasses whilst operating the reciprocal saw would be instantly dismissed in Australia . Reciprocal saws are notorious for breaking blades or jamming . Such a no no .
If you are using them wrong. I have never had a blade break. Still, safety glasses, always.
Well, it did last 20 years...I wonder how long would Kerdi last?
Probably would have lasted 50 if done properly... I mean just imagine the cost of that bathroom and they couldn't be arsed to do it properly...
@@jomsies Well, the house is timber framed as far as I've seen and while I appreciate the efficacy of this build style, these houses "work" more than brick and mortar houses. So the shower itself might have lasted a long, long time but if something sags or bows, that's really bad news for such large slabs of stone.
50 years
@@RetiredRhetoricalWarhorse Granite and other porous materials don't belong in a shower. The homeowner can't be relied on to seal and maintain it over the years.
@@firesurfer That makes sense.
So there is really no good way to check references, since the original contractor got "no call-backs". He's just as likely to still be out there today installing granite exactly the same way. The only way for a homeowner to be successful with a shower project is to enroll in "shower school", learn the trade, then closely supervise the install each step of the way to be sure it's done right.
Nothing like a dull sawzall blade
And also hitting granite with a lump hammer with out eye protection.
@@georgewashington8652 No one likes the youtube safety police. Being able to choose to use or not to use safety equipment is a god given right.
@@travisk5589 He is showing people how to do things the right way which should also include doing things the safe way.
@@georgewashington8652 Went should be care about someone else's safety? Statistically speaking how and what he is doing is safe. It's not like 1 in 10 blows off the hammer results in the loss of an eye.
Let people take risk and be responsible for themselves. Don't take the risk away from people.
@@patriciagallacher2905 ?? The dull blade comment had nothing to do with safety:
Most new homes have tile glued to plain drywall built to last the warranty if you are lucky. Move every five years they say
There's so much weight in that shower it's probably literally twisting the house.
That was their first mistake. I'm sure the floor joists were not reinforced at all. Imagine how much weight is put on those few floor joists in such a small area. Then you add people walking into the shower. Deflection is a killer in these types of showers. Also, hot mopping a shower "pan". Fucking idiots. Failure at every aspect of the job!
Don't know what hurt more. The horrible install or them destroying those slabs of granite.
Why does the guys head in the thumbnail look like a early PS2 graphics NPC
From like Silent Hill? Yeah.
Lumbar should never be used for shower curbs, it needs to be masonry all the way, ie brick and cement with waterproofing followed by suitable mortar or adhesive used specifically for wet areas.
Is there a reason you just destroy and throw away perfectly good and reusable granite? You could have cut the large pieces into manageable sizes and pry them off for reuse or sale.
It's mainly about saving time (and not wanting to have to put in the time necessary to properly remove all the mortar/ glue/ caulk, etc, without breaking the tiles).
There's also the time/ effort of loading/ transporting and then having to store the salvaged materials and worrying about having to find a customer who would be willing to accept anything other than 'new' in order to be able to re-use the tile.
It's also largely a matter of simple habit for most contractors these days (what they were taught and what they're used to doing).
The construction industry is one of the most wasteful industries out there. It's almost always so much easier for these guys to just smash everything then have the customer foot the bill for the dump runs and buying everything brand new/ at a premium and starting from scratch.
This has as much to do with the general fact that we now live in a society that facilitates and promotes this kind of approach because scale economics and hyper abundance has long ago exceeded the level where the cost of replacement is almost always far less than the cost would be to attempt to repair/ reuse/ repurpose things.
Then job duration estimates and other work standards get established based on these highly wasteful trends/ habits over time to the point where just about all customers and contractors see this as the norm/ proper protocol (total demolition and sending all the 'old'/ out of style stuff to landfill), even when the contractors might be able to salvage some things with little to no effort in many cases, and save themselves and/ or their customers thousands of dollars in new material costs.
I couldn't stand how resource inefficient and how wasteful it was when I was a contractor.
@@Destrobius there is so much wealth in America it just isn't cost effective to salvage this stuff.
Besides where would you want granite, in your house, that people have been showering on for the last 20 years.... I suggest you let that one marinade.
Most likely they have hard water and some kind of salt filter for the water ,and if you ever put salt on you concrete walkway everyone knows what happens to concrete and grout is just a form of concrete
After watching a ton of shower remodeling videos over the last week I've come to the conclusion the the best thing to install is a solid floor pan with a lip that the last bottom wall tile overlaps. Any other installation is risky garbage.
Yup, 15 years no issue doing that. You get too fancy, you introduce problems no matter how good you do.
Show a video after the remodel
Thank you for sharing
Hell ya it will be you guys are bad ass
some people love silicone too much and think it's magic.
Yup .silicone is just to give a tighter look and xtra protection .but not suppose to be the main protection .
Its crazy how they use expensive granite and failed to professionally install it to prevent water leakage. Awesome bathroom, to bad it has to be dismantled. Thanks for showing us what was causing the staining. How many years did it took before it started leaking?
Wait......... 20 years....This is Not an installation issue this is a homeowner maintenance issue. That is a reasonable life expectancy just wasn't maintained by the home owner.
For a granite shower, that is about one fifth of the reasonable life expectancy.
What exactly should the home-owner have done to fix the inherent flaws in the installation?
Just because it takes a few decades for it to be *completely* rotten doesn’t mean it was just fine for the 20 years before that.
@@JasperJanssen I'd be happy too it's literally what I do for a living. $145/hr I charge
i really dont understand what they are talking about because im not a mason. but its interesting to watch never the less. what is hot mop and what does it mean that it should be float ?
Looks more like someone clogged the drain and let stagnant water sit for a year, you don't get that kind of staining on granite from just taking showers and giving it an occasional clean.
Yes you do , the water was building up constantly under concrete shower base that was installed with out membrane , water then was socked upright in to granite and walls surrounding , it is typical way how mold and stain travel -expending from constant wet areas .
Also never put metal corner bead behind stone in showers. It will rust and will stain the stone. I re did a shower last year with corner bead inside the shower beneath the stone. Also hot mop might be the worst shower pan liner. Not even legal in my state. I use kerdi on most of my projects. Occasionally I do vinyl liner and sand mix mud pan, but it depends on the project.
There should have been no wood used in that. Should've been all solid granite.
The mortar bed is very porous, rocks have more of a chance of clogging the weep holes
@@TileCoach if you go over to starrtile he shows how fast water drains to the weepholes through the mortar bed regardless of rocks or preslope, all the water he used drains out. I agree with him in the fact that a small rock can clog the weepholes, and I'd even argue some mortar ends up in the holes regardless. I personally waterproof the top of the mortar bed because I don't want the thing getting wet in the first place.
Agree, it didn't matter anyway, the damage was at the curb going out the top.
How could you make it look that nice and not know enough to install a pan liner 🤦♂️
They did hot mop but still wrong. because Needs 3 layers of felt with hot mop to be water proof and as he said not correct installation of granite
Also, staining only on bottom, so could have carefully cut off the bottom piece, waterproofed and replaced with new granite or tile, and saved customer a bunch of money.
This is why I would NEVER put granite in a bathroom or kitchen counters. It looks nice at first, but it can crack no mater how well it's installed. I've seen a cans dropped on beautiful kitchen counters and cracked. Your eyes will always be drawn to it.
If its installed properly it wouldn't crack. It can chip the top but not crack. It's all about bedding it in the mud with full contact. If it breaks it wasn't fully bedded or the mud set open on the counter too long and got too dry before the tile was set on it so it didn't bond. Poor installation. Old tile setter here.
Properly installed granite should never crack under normal use in the kitchen, unless you tenderize your meat with a sledgehammer.
And that's why you have to prove that your shower pan is up to snuff with a county Inspector before you lay the stone. Had to go to the same site 3 times with my old boss to fix his mistake but God damn that bathroom was amazing by the time we finished.
He got 20 years out of it.
20 years ago we all made mistakes, you made mistakes. 20 years from now someone will be critiquing you too.
His intent is to highlight the obvious lack of diligence that his audience can learn from. Ofcourse we all make mistakes... no need to undermine the value of presenting workmanship like this for us to avoid these same mistakes
@@dylanpiercy2938 He asked the homeowner how he feels.......as though he just got screwed over, he didn't.
Serious question for you guys, just how long do you expect any shower to last?
My experience, and I've torn out many a shower.......15 years is a good run for any shower that gets used 3-6 times per day year round.
Further- tiles age, design, colors, needs......they all change over the years. Yep, time for a remodel.
@@JeepMurphy I always guarantee that as long as they keep up with grout cleaning, it will last longer than they will
@@JeepMurphy looks like he did get screwed over based on the crap installation. Not sure why you would back someone who doesn't know how to do their job and probably screwed over many people.
Honestly, I think there needs to be way more inspecting and checking up on tile installers. These hacks low ball professionals and make tile installers look bad to those that aren't experienced in construction whatsoever
I'm not defending anyone.......I"m offering perspective. Like 30 year caulk and 30 year shingles, most vehicles don't even last 20 years anymore.
My favorite job I walked into was watching a company installing vct for height behind mosaic tiles in showers.
I was wondering what the hell a hop mop is so googled and it and one of the first suggestions is another video on this channel, which was nice.
Great video. Usually, you guys show us how to build a shower correctly. This time, you've uninstalled it step by step and showed us what was wrongly done. This video should be pinned, as a reminder for what could happen if the job is badly done. Thanks, Isaac, and greetings from Belgium, Europe.
Just a tip, I don't think it helps your image to ask your client how he feels about a lousy job that was done for him. Well I think at least the way you asked it, it felt akward and made you seem like you were showboating haha... I like a lot of the videos I've seen of yours but yea, don't think that kind of question you asked helps your image.
My personal opinion, food for thought.
I've always been told to not go too hard on either the guy before you, or if you're applying for a job, the employee before you. Why? You're basically saying the person who hired him was an idiot, not good for you getting said job.
@@TileCoach Cheers man, you're a beast at what you're doing. Live and learn.
Oh man I watch the video of the hot mop process(very interesting / informative) and I was saying to myself what pain in the ass it's gonna be for the next guy on a new reno job....... and there you have it.
7:22 Damn he looks bad ass with his glasses on top of his head...
Eye protection at hand's reach, but nope. :-D
I hear you that goes for myself as well.
Looks like a good size job.
Keep up the good work
rip in chat for the fresh vans... they deserved more.. feelsbadman
"I thought..." Ha! I've seen GC's screw down sub's so they are almost working free. In the end the GC and sub collected and moved on to screw some other things up.
Nothing like demoing tile or stone with zero eye protection. Squint method and flip flops - who cares! Change the battery and blade on the sawzall too FFS.
You guys watch too much TV. Safety glasses are useless once you break a sweat.
You mentioned "contractors that dont know what they are doing" but I am sure many might say the same about you not wearing eye protection!
Safety glasses are fantastic as long as you never sweat. Once you do they are worthless. That's why the TV stars wear them. In reality people manage risk and wear them for short burst when absolutely necessary. Want to make a million bucks... Design an affordable no-fog safety glass