Although E3 was much loved by the games public as a whole, every story I've heard from anyone who actually went (mostly from the press but also companies and public) was how awful it was to actually be there. Nobody involved ever wanted to be there, it was just a huge obligation. As soon as the pandemic made someone say "wait.. why did we do this again?" Everyone came to their senses.
For a long time it was the best way to show future games and hardware, but as times changed it was no longer needed thanks to things like Sony State of Play Nintendo Directs. But I imagine as a trade show it would be better for the viewer than someone there: long hours on your feet, covering a bunch of products you don’t care about for extended periods, interviewing people who don’t want to be there.
I was part of the gaming press at E3 from 2011-2016, and honestly... yeah, it was exhausting. For us, it's like a standard FUN gaming convention, mixed with marketing meetings and homework to finish. It's not a three-day event, it's FIVE days: get ready, go to meetings, travel home and blitz through more articles to publish. It was a fun thing and I don't regret a thing, but I'm happy to not have 3 hours a night for a week. 😕
@@rhinox9292 game devs, especially AAA game devs should've been forced to attend E3 instead of splitting off into their own shows. they practically demand we buy their games. E3 is the least they can give us in return
That intro hit me in the feels 😢 Miss the days of rushing home from school to watch two hours of Microsoft convincing us we needed smartscreen, Sony passing a game between 2 people and it being the best thing ever and controllers dying right in the middle of a on stage demo
Embarrassment like that is why the big dogs started dropping out. Why pay for a full E3 event and possibly have a bone head moment when you can just stream trailers and gameplay reveals online in one 45 min video?
Less convinced and more confirmed what was slowly happening anyway (before the pandemic, Sony was starting to go the same route as Nintendo and wasn't even planning on attending E3 anymore).
As sad as it is, we can't deny it that if you can house your own conference or video presentation in-house online for a much more cheaper price, flexible scheduling, with no time limit or quota, compared to an expensive stage conference where you have to share the spotlight with other studio then of course I would choose the former.
I love this series for two reasons. One, I find learning about flops and failures far more interesting than big successes (it’s why I also love Worst Games and Matt McMuscles’ What Happened series). Two, I get to listen to Ben narrate for 20 minutes.
I remember buying Playstation Magazine at an Airport highlighting E3 in 2004 learning that this exists. It was a dream for me to go there, now it won't happen. 😢
what went wrong? nothing, the internet became the new mainstream way to get instant access and leaks for e3 would show up 2 months prior to the events.
They put out a lot of lists because they’re relatively quick and easy to make. Shows like WGE, Weirdest Games, Main Menu and What Went Wrong With take awhile to produce and edit, so if they only focused on those shows they’d only wind up putting out at most three or four videos a month. UA-cam’s algorithms are more likely to push channels that upload content on a frequent basis, so the lists are basically filler to keep the channel visible.
to me E3 is a great thing . I love looking forward to any accidental funny presentations , it was part of the charm . yes I like the the online shows and such . but nothing will ever compare to the live presentations
As much as I would have loved to have somehow attended E3 back in the late nineties or 2000s when it was this giant, seemingly magical event I could only read about in gaming magazines, I don't think that an E3 held in 2023 would have been that, nor do I expect that any future events that may try to cash-in on its name will be. The older I get, the more I've come to accept that many things could only really work in the time and circumstances under which they happened and that it's probably better to explore what could only be done now rather than to try and recreate them.
The social media era killed E3. Back in the 90s, and early 00's gamers could only get the scoop on new gaming innovations through this conference. As time went on however, the ease of access of Twitter and other social apps made access to game news that much more simple. Game developers found it cheaper to just put out a tweet than to invest in booths and venue fees. It's a shame because I really did look forward to the E3 shows, but at this point it's pretty much dead.
@@FinfectionForgive him for his youth. We were all there once. Back in 90 and early 2000's, we got our scoop through magazines (EGM, Gamepro etc.) and websites (for those who had the internet). Then as the 2000's rolled on when every household finally had broadband internet only then everything switched online.
@@FinfectionForgive him for his youth. We were all there once. Back in 90 and early 2000's, we got our scoop through magazines (EGM, Gamepro etc.) and websites (for those who had the internet). Then as the 2000's rolled on when every household finally had broadband internet only then everything switched online.
AAA companies also don't like to lose so they'd rather host their own stuff where they're winners every time and are never challenged. Compare that to the old practice of yearly debates as to who "won" E3.
Great video 👍Some time ago I asked this question and all the conundrums have been cleared up. I think that if e3 were to return, it would have to completely reinvent itself or go back to its roots altogether. Good luck with that.
E3 was a million times more fun then these stale and sterilized "digital showcases" we have now... how does Nintendo make some of the most fun games but their showcases seem like they're trying to appeal to forty-year-old yacht purchasers.
I get that it's more practical to do everything online and personalized. But it's just a shame in-person events are dying all around. One of the ways communities could gather together, bond, and physically feel all this new tech and stuff. Just another piece of humanity dying unfortunately.
Its sad E3 is gone. now we have gamescom, summer games fest, Playstation Showcase, and Nintendo Direct. I miss when everything was just one show kept things streamlined.
Ever since I first discovered E3 (around 04-06 or something, idk) I had dreamed of presenting my own game at the show... [sigh] Looks like that's never happening.
You said this 11+ months ago and it still resonates with me. I heard of E3 around the very early 2000's (probably 2000 or 2001, via my father telling me about it). E3 quickly and genuinely became the one event I looked forward to most during the year above everything. It was always a dream of mine, a mission of my life, one of the top bucket list entries, to attend E3. Whether I be going as a fan or going as a developer presenting a game I was developing, it was my dream. Well, E3 is sadly gone forever and tbh, it became increasingly obvious the last 5 - 7 years of it. Once a celebration of games and being a 'nerd,' quickly became a corporate trade show. Thankfully, I can say I've been to PAX East on 3 separate occasions (2013, 2015, and 2017), but that's it. Wish I could have attended an E3 but I'm very thankful to say I got to experience it at its peak when G4TV and SpikeTV were both things. RIP, E3.
E3 was great. I remember having "watch parties" at my friends house being stoked to watch our favorite developers and hope for the new announcement on our favorite video game series.
Also let's not forget that tiny extra point that probably helped lead developers out the door of E3. The time when everyone's personal contact info was leaked on the E3 website for 2 hours before anyone did anything. Phone numbers,home address etc
In the days where you can do online presentation not only to the public but others in the industry the whole point to E3 becomes moot and the publishers done it for those reasons. They also can announce games and hardware all year around easier now and don't have to wait for these trade shows to be able to do it.
I remember watching E3 05 with baited breath. I was so excited to see the Nintendo Revolution and the PS3. Feels like a different world, and I didn't even realize E3 hasn't happened for real since 2019.
I work in trade shows and those numbers are pretty standard. You should see what CES or NAB booths cost, probably a lot of the reason they went out on their own.
To be fair, i was ready to watch E3 this month... I COMPLETELY forgot it dont exist anymore.... Kinda sad, but not really... Was kinda cool ritual in my life, stay up at night every year for 3 days, sleeping for couple hours, then watching microsoft presentation, then sleeping for a little-bit more, then watching something from Ubisoft... Then doing the same for Nintendo... etc.... Was cool to do, even tho i was at home, it made me feel kinda included in the expo... When i became older i now understand how dumb it was, and watched the last 2 of them on youtube when i had a normal night sleep, but still... Cool times...
The only things that actually benefit from these massive conventions aren't the venders themselves. It's the convention centers, hotels, airline companies. It's a gigantic waste of time and pain in the ass.
Twitch definitely helped, because I remember trying to watch the first few Nintendo Directs on uStream (unrelated to Ubisoft, somehow) and it was an absolute pain. If they had stuck with them and not moved to Twitch (and UA-cam Live never took off), maybe the in-person E3 showcases would have lasted
The internet happened, and social media made it to where companies didn’t have to blow millions just to show a trailer. We’ve all moved on from this circus.
I wish I was born before 1965, so I can attend all of the E3s that were held in the Los Angeles Convention Center without any major money issues before the infamous COVID-19 pandemic happened!
That's awesome, man. It was always a dream of mine to go to one but sadly, never got the chance and with it being discontinued forever, safe to say I won't. I have, at the very least, however, been to PAX East three times (2013, 2015, and 2017). Anyway, which year's E3 did you go to and did you attend everyday?
Man it’s such bs e3 is practically gone now. It was the perfect way for me to start my summer. Seeing new games get announced and showcased all in one place where gamers can meet up with other gamers and explore and enjoy the event. Now the big 3 console companies and other gaming companies do their virtual showcases just to save money and time which I understand as a business student. But still e3 was like a holy event for gamers.
They started to let in the public. That's where it went wrong. Forcing it to get bigger venue and fees, became a nuisance instead of a showcase for industry
Never understood why games have to be announced during game shows or events. Even the Nintendo Direct seems unnecessary. They could just announce things whenever, instead of waiting for a Direct.
The gaming industry without a huge, bombastic, tentpole event like E3 is like the music industry with no Coachella or Grammys, the film industry with no Cannes or Oscars. The Gaming industry has nothing like that now. Some puny little Nintendo direct aint gonna fill that hole.
Company's pay $5M-$10M USD for a 30 second ad during the Super Bowl. $1.5M for a booth at the planets largest consumer electronics conference for 3 days? That to me sounds like a good business investment, >
Excellent video essay! Safe to assume the coronavirus pandemic was THE nail in the coffin for E3, otherwise the ESA would've kept the event on prolonged life support.
One look at the "entertainment" the game companies provided should tell you all you need to know. Especially the Ubisoft shows these last years. People ended up simply hatewatching the entire thing, because it sure as hell didn't provide any concrete and relevant info on games.
Although E3 was much loved by the games public as a whole, every story I've heard from anyone who actually went (mostly from the press but also companies and public) was how awful it was to actually be there. Nobody involved ever wanted to be there, it was just a huge obligation. As soon as the pandemic made someone say "wait.. why did we do this again?" Everyone came to their senses.
For a long time it was the best way to show future games and hardware, but as times changed it was no longer needed thanks to things like Sony State of Play Nintendo Directs. But I imagine as a trade show it would be better for the viewer than someone there: long hours on your feet, covering a bunch of products you don’t care about for extended periods, interviewing people who don’t want to be there.
Nah thats a lie i had great times there
I was part of the gaming press at E3 from 2011-2016, and honestly... yeah, it was exhausting. For us, it's like a standard FUN gaming convention, mixed with marketing meetings and homework to finish. It's not a three-day event, it's FIVE days: get ready, go to meetings, travel home and blitz through more articles to publish.
It was a fun thing and I don't regret a thing, but I'm happy to not have 3 hours a night for a week. 😕
I think streaming popularity changed the game, not "why did we ever do this"
@@rhinox9292 game devs, especially AAA game devs should've been forced to attend E3 instead of splitting off into their own shows. they practically demand we buy their games. E3 is the least they can give us in return
That intro hit me in the feels 😢 Miss the days of rushing home from school to watch two hours of Microsoft convincing us we needed smartscreen, Sony passing a game between 2 people and it being the best thing ever and controllers dying right in the middle of a on stage demo
Embarrassment like that is why the big dogs started dropping out. Why pay for a full E3 event and possibly have a bone head moment when you can just stream trailers and gameplay reveals online in one 45 min video?
"controllers dying right in the middle of a on stage demo"
Which E3 was that???
@@DrawciaGleam02 Which one wasn't it 😂 Uncharted 4 I think is probably the most famous one
Facts. I remember sprinting home to turn on IGN to see the Conferences.
I used to sit and watch G4s live coverage for hours. God those were the days. The Halo 2 release date is still and all time moment for me.
Twilight Princess & Kingdom Hearts III for me.
That was the peak of gaming and gaming culture for me
I guess the pandemic basically convinced everyone that E3 was no longer needed when everyone could just host their own presentations
such a small minded concept.
Less convinced and more confirmed what was slowly happening anyway (before the pandemic, Sony was starting to go the same route as Nintendo and wasn't even planning on attending E3 anymore).
As sad as it is, we can't deny it that if you can house your own conference or video presentation in-house online for a much more cheaper price, flexible scheduling, with no time limit or quota, compared to an expensive stage conference where you have to share the spotlight with other studio then of course I would choose the former.
Nintendo knew this very well.
The original G4TV and game show coverage was a magical combo for me.
oh my god remember this channel it was gold
@@brandongabriel1693 absolutely. I used to watch all of their trade show coverage and a ton of Attack of the Show.
@@InfectiousGroovePodcast if i remember correctly they did have a episode where they would go to a love hotel
Love these video essays Ben, keep them coming!
I love this series for two reasons. One, I find learning about flops and failures far more interesting than big successes (it’s why I also love Worst Games and Matt McMuscles’ What Happened series). Two, I get to listen to Ben narrate for 20 minutes.
I remember buying Playstation Magazine at an Airport highlighting E3 in 2004 learning that this exists. It was a dream for me to go there, now it won't happen. 😢
"What Went Wrong...." is my favourite TripleJump video series! Thank you for putting out such good content
what went wrong? nothing, the internet became the new mainstream way to get instant access and leaks for e3 would show up 2 months prior to the events.
Yes! More videos like THIS ONE and less lists, please!
Fewer lists*
Don't listen to them^^ more lists. MOAAAR
They put out a lot of lists because they’re relatively quick and easy to make. Shows like WGE, Weirdest Games, Main Menu and What Went Wrong With take awhile to produce and edit, so if they only focused on those shows they’d only wind up putting out at most three or four videos a month. UA-cam’s algorithms are more likely to push channels that upload content on a frequent basis, so the lists are basically filler to keep the channel visible.
Shut up
Right you can only say oh yeah sports time a good enough number of times before u realize it’s not eu humor it’s stale n low vibrational
I'm really impressed with you guys, your publication continues putting out higher and higher quality videos.
to me E3 is a great thing . I love looking forward to any accidental funny presentations , it was part of the charm . yes I like the the online shows and such . but nothing will ever compare to the live presentations
As much as I would have loved to have somehow attended E3 back in the late nineties or 2000s when it was this giant, seemingly magical event I could only read about in gaming magazines, I don't think that an E3 held in 2023 would have been that, nor do I expect that any future events that may try to cash-in on its name will be. The older I get, the more I've come to accept that many things could only really work in the time and circumstances under which they happened and that it's probably better to explore what could only be done now rather than to try and recreate them.
The social media era killed E3. Back in the 90s, and early 00's gamers could only get the scoop on new gaming innovations through this conference. As time went on however, the ease of access of Twitter and other social apps made access to game news that much more simple. Game developers found it cheaper to just put out a tweet than to invest in booths and venue fees. It's a shame because I really did look forward to the E3 shows, but at this point it's pretty much dead.
Apparently Gamespot or IGN didn't exist before social media, huh?
@@FinfectionForgive him for his youth. We were all there once. Back in 90 and early 2000's, we got our scoop through magazines (EGM, Gamepro etc.) and websites (for those who had the internet). Then as the 2000's rolled on when every household finally had broadband internet only then everything switched online.
@@FinfectionForgive him for his youth. We were all there once. Back in 90 and early 2000's, we got our scoop through magazines (EGM, Gamepro etc.) and websites (for those who had the internet). Then as the 2000's rolled on when every household finally had broadband internet only then everything switched online.
AAA companies also don't like to lose so they'd rather host their own stuff where they're winners every time and are never challenged. Compare that to the old practice of yearly debates as to who "won" E3.
Hope it isn't over. Miss G4 in the 00's.
You get a like for the Scott Steiner reference at 4:07
This would have been SEGA's chance to come back and steal the market.
Great video 👍Some time ago I asked this question and all the conundrums have been cleared up. I think that if e3 were to return, it would have to completely reinvent itself or go back to its roots altogether. Good luck with that.
No mention of pretty, scantily clad booth babes? Dude, c'mon. A moment of silence for the booth babes. ⚘️
E3 was a million times more fun then these stale and sterilized "digital showcases" we have now... how does Nintendo make some of the most fun games but their showcases seem like they're trying to appeal to forty-year-old yacht purchasers.
Because their share holders are 40+ year old yacht purchasers. That is who these showcases are actually made for.
I get that it's more practical to do everything online and personalized. But it's just a shame in-person events are dying all around. One of the ways communities could gather together, bond, and physically feel all this new tech and stuff. Just another piece of humanity dying unfortunately.
E3 was another victim of technology, but I have always heard it was expensive for companies to attend and a hassle waiting in lines for attendees.
Living in LA when E3 is in town, it creates a buzz of excitement, yet it brings a lot of traffic as well.
Its sad E3 is gone. now we have gamescom, summer games fest, Playstation Showcase, and Nintendo Direct. I miss when everything was just one show kept things streamlined.
It was over when they got rid of booth babes.
Ever since I first discovered E3 (around 04-06 or something, idk) I had dreamed of presenting my own game at the show...
[sigh] Looks like that's never happening.
You said this 11+ months ago and it still resonates with me. I heard of E3 around the very early 2000's (probably 2000 or 2001, via my father telling me about it). E3 quickly and genuinely became the one event I looked forward to most during the year above everything. It was always a dream of mine, a mission of my life, one of the top bucket list entries, to attend E3. Whether I be going as a fan or going as a developer presenting a game I was developing, it was my dream.
Well, E3 is sadly gone forever and tbh, it became increasingly obvious the last 5 - 7 years of it. Once a celebration of games and being a 'nerd,' quickly became a corporate trade show. Thankfully, I can say I've been to PAX East on 3 separate occasions (2013, 2015, and 2017), but that's it. Wish I could have attended an E3 but I'm very thankful to say I got to experience it at its peak when G4TV and SpikeTV were both things. RIP, E3.
These are Triple Jumps BEST type of videos, long deep dives on anything and everything gaming!!!
And now it's gone. Forever 🙁
As they said, “GGWP.”
E3 was great. I remember having "watch parties" at my friends house being stoked to watch our favorite developers and hope for the new announcement on our favorite video game series.
Also let's not forget that tiny extra point that probably helped lead developers out the door of E3. The time when everyone's personal contact info was leaked on the E3 website for 2 hours before anyone did anything. Phone numbers,home address etc
I've been wondering what Ben Potter was doing after leaving WhatCulture.Good to see he's doing well!
4:09 Nice Scott Steiner reference
That time they doxxed the games press and their apology consisted of a bashful "I'm a bad widdle boy" was a low-point...
7:37...dude in the red flannel looks like a younger version of my buddy Aaron. love you buddy. hope you are well.
Getting rid of booth babes and not letting The general public in was the start of the problem
The reality also, is that sometimes being at e3 your game can stand out - but realistically, you'll be lost among all the other games on show.
That was really good work. Thanks
In the days where you can do online presentation not only to the public but others in the industry the whole point to E3 becomes moot and the publishers done it for those reasons. They also can announce games and hardware all year around easier now and don't have to wait for these trade shows to be able to do it.
La Parka sighting = Instant like
Love this video essay type of content, BAP
fabulous video, love these essay vids :D
Loving these
4:07 quality scott steiner reference
Your posts are always witty and amazing!!!!😁👍🏼
E3 got replaced by Summer Games Fest, publisher solo streams and thinking they're too big to be replaced.
I remember watching E3 05 with baited breath. I was so excited to see the Nintendo Revolution and the PS3. Feels like a different world, and I didn't even realize E3 hasn't happened for real since 2019.
I really thought after talking about the snark levels, he was gonna say “they paved paradise and put up a snarking lot”
And alas my dream to attend an E3 is possibly gonna die
I don't even watch the presentations half the time cause I'll just get all the trailers posted in my feed within an hour anyways.
Excellent video guys!
This is my favourite series you do!
I love this what went wrong series please keep doing more
I work in trade shows and those numbers are pretty standard. You should see what CES or NAB booths cost, probably a lot of the reason they went out on their own.
Also a 22kft/sq booth is huge lol. The 25kft/sq booth I just did had 9 big ass construction vehicles, a bunch of offices, and a lounge.
I like these kind of videos. The lists are cool too but ya should do more of these more often
I LOVE this “What Went Wrong” series
I really miss E3.
Ah... ye good olde E3... Back in the day I followed physical magazines coverage of it. Those were the days.
To be fair, i was ready to watch E3 this month... I COMPLETELY forgot it dont exist anymore.... Kinda sad, but not really... Was kinda cool ritual in my life, stay up at night every year for 3 days, sleeping for couple hours, then watching microsoft presentation, then sleeping for a little-bit more, then watching something from Ubisoft... Then doing the same for Nintendo... etc.... Was cool to do, even tho i was at home, it made me feel kinda included in the expo... When i became older i now understand how dumb it was, and watched the last 2 of them on youtube when i had a normal night sleep, but still... Cool times...
Back in 07 I went to the public version called E for All. I played some games grabbed the free 5 hour energy and went to sightseeing in LA
Well for starters, those areas of California are currently living in The Purge. Not the most business friendly places atm...
love a good deep dive! keep it up guys!
thank you for this video!
RIP E3
My annual dose of Industry cringe and booth babes.
I miss the E3 :(
4:14 I love how everything bad that happens is 2020 is Animal Crossing's fault
Corporations took over in a business model way
Love listening to Ben
The only things that actually benefit from these massive conventions aren't the venders themselves.
It's the convention centers, hotels, airline companies.
It's a gigantic waste of time and pain in the ass.
That show was a bonus to the good games that were out. No good games, just ways to take your money.
Twitch definitely helped, because I remember trying to watch the first few Nintendo Directs on uStream (unrelated to Ubisoft, somehow) and it was an absolute pain. If they had stuck with them and not moved to Twitch (and UA-cam Live never took off), maybe the in-person E3 showcases would have lasted
The internet happened, and social media made it to where companies didn’t have to blow millions just to show a trailer.
We’ve all moved on from this circus.
I wish I was born before 1965, so I can attend all of the E3s that were held in the Los Angeles Convention Center without any major money issues before the infamous COVID-19 pandemic happened!
18:50-18:55 - Annnd in late 2023 they pulled the plug. GGWP for E3.
A 20 minute video to say what can be said in 2 words: The Internet.
15:13 Is that Hollie? I miss Playstation Access now. Time to change channels :)
I'm happy I was able to go to one
That's awesome, man. It was always a dream of mine to go to one but sadly, never got the chance and with it being discontinued forever, safe to say I won't. I have, at the very least, however, been to PAX East three times (2013, 2015, and 2017).
Anyway, which year's E3 did you go to and did you attend everyday?
I like to think the Intellivision Amico helped kill E3. Tommy himself was thrilled about the honor of being part of something he paid for.
E3 like blockbuster and dine in pizzahut, best things lost in my lifetime that my daughter will understand. 😢
If those 3 are the worst things youve lost in your life time then youve lived a sad life
@@jackbates2223 your moms sad. 🤪
Steiner Math reference lol, I caught it
What went wrong. They became irrelevant because these game companies realised they could just stream their own events
I love how he be taking shots at everyone 😂😂😂
Two words: booth babes
Omg, simplier and better days.
Man it’s such bs e3 is practically gone now. It was the perfect way for me to start my summer. Seeing new games get announced and showcased all in one place where gamers can meet up with other gamers and explore and enjoy the event. Now the big 3 console companies and other gaming companies do their virtual showcases just to save money and time which I understand as a business student. But still e3 was like a holy event for gamers.
They hype was always greater than the actual event
As an Indian gaming fan, I've always admired the allure of E3. Fortunately, I was able to attend the 2018 E3, before everything changed!
They started to let in the public. That's where it went wrong. Forcing it to get bigger venue and fees, became a nuisance instead of a showcase for industry
What went wrong? Livestreams happened.
Never understood why games have to be announced during game shows or events. Even the Nintendo Direct seems unnecessary. They could just announce things whenever, instead of waiting for a Direct.
1:50 I heard many absurd claims concerning Navi over the years but comparing her to a world-spanning illness is going like 40 steps to far...
The gaming industry without a huge, bombastic, tentpole event like E3 is like the music industry with no Coachella or Grammys, the film industry with no Cannes or Oscars. The Gaming industry has nothing like that now. Some puny little Nintendo direct aint gonna fill that hole.
Tbf the Oscars are having a slow slow death
The Game Awards
Company's pay $5M-$10M USD for a 30 second ad during the Super Bowl. $1.5M for a booth at the planets largest consumer electronics conference for 3 days? That to me sounds like a good business investment, >
Its so weird how people think the pandemic just ended.. Like covid is not still around
Excellent video essay!
Safe to assume the coronavirus pandemic was THE nail in the coffin for E3, otherwise the ESA would've kept the event on prolonged life support.
Hooray! It's a W4 about E3!
One look at the "entertainment" the game companies provided should tell you all you need to know. Especially the Ubisoft shows these last years. People ended up simply hatewatching the entire thing, because it sure as hell didn't provide any concrete and relevant info on games.
How do they have all this money to burn on conventions, but not enough to pay their employees for overtime?!
Also "booth babes". Getting rid of the booth babes is the real reason why E3 is now defunct.