They had issues for a couple years (wasn’t it mainly the previous generation Odysseys? 2005-2010?) but overall they are very good. Especially if the transmission fluid was changed once a year. This specific van has been out to the track multiple times, has 215,000kms, original transmission and it’s running great. That said, the newer 10 speeds have run into a couple issues, however, most people who have even just changed their transmission fluid regularly have seen them last well over 200k.
@@KingdomAuto I'm just talking shit cuz I have a built v6 accord goin on it's 2nd trans lol, any vehicle with a j series drivetrain is automatically a good vehicle, regardless of transmission problems
@@KingdomAuto j series automatics were pretty weak up until about 07, 2nd gear bearing is too small and valve body needs upgrade, I plan on running a heavy duty torque converter and external transmission cooler(these our amazing for these vehicles), anyways nice video dude was a fun race too see
@@tonymaas1709 Ah interesting, yeah I thought it was the older models that struggled a little more with transmission issues. Thankfully as they got a bit newer, they improved. This Odyssey in the video is actually mine so I do take care of it, and thankfully the engine and transmission have both been doing great so far!! Good to know about the external cooler as well. Thanks for your comment!!
I’m more interested to see the Pacifica in this race. Especially with the 9 speed auto, being more aerodynamic than the Grand Caravan, and slight power upgrade. My grandmother had a 2014 T&C limited and I never liked the gearing in that 6 speed, luckily she now has a 21 Pacifica Limited and it feels more alive.
That's great to know! Yeah we're REALLY interested to see the newer vans and how they perform as well, considering they all have more gears and more power. If we can get our hands on them, we'll make those races happen. Thanks for your comment!
Yeah you’re right, Honda’s have always loved to rev and do great up at the top of the rev range. We were both surprised that the Odyssey took the win here! Fun race 😊
I have a 2008 Honda Odyssey and it really comes down to how you drive it. It you start in first with the Trac off you'll break the tires free and have to half throttle and shift to second at 6300 RPM to hit the sweet spot. The first 3 gears are going to be quick and have the most acceleration as the engine will be in the best range of the power band which starts at 3500 but the really kicks in a 4200rpm. I've done a few pulls on my van and had to slow down. I've done a few pulls on my wife 2011 Rav 4 and that things revs likes it a 4AGE from a Corolla when I manually shift it.
Thanks for your comment, yeah we had it off for the races filmed. The Dodge does really well in the first couple gears but then in 4th it really seems to slow down and the Odyssey was just able to sneak by. There’s no doubt though, if the Odyssey doesn’t get a perfect launch, the Caravan takes the win. It would be really interesting to see the new vans up against one another too. We’re trying to find a few of them and get them out to the track 👍
Yeah we were really surprised as well! Another big surprise for us was how close the race was too, those are definitely most fun :) Thanks for your support!
I also own a Black 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. Was the Econ Button on? That Econ mode is not good for throttle response and gets the transmission into higher gears faster, keeping the rpm lower.
We’re all about finding even matchups and putting those vehicles up against one another. Seems like the GT only came out a few years back, so putting it up against this Odyssey in the video (2011) isn’t that great of a comparison. Putting the GT up against a new Odyssey with far more power and either a 9 or 10 speed transmission would be a better race. Whereas this race between an older Caravan and an older Odyssey worked great, being that they are much closer in age/trim levels
RIPP makes a supercharger for the pentastar V6'. In a minivan it might be a tight fit but you would net at least 100 HP and torque. In most applications it's pretty easy on the drivetrain because it has a gradual power delivery. It also has no turbo lag.
Happy for you :) We don’t have any bias on our channel. We just line the vehicles up and race them. In this case the Odyssey slightly edged out the Caravan. Keep in mind, these vans are much older than yours. Yours would be better suited for a race against the newer Odyssey’s with either the 9 or 10 speed transmissions. Plus, Honda increased the power of the Odyssey in 2019 as well. So I’m sure your van beats older Odysseys quite easily, but it would be interesting to see how it does with a 2019+ We’re actively trying to find newer vans and get them out to the track. Would be fun to film some races with them
From what we've researched, the GT was made beginning in 2018 and it had the exact same 3.6L V6 engine (and same 6 speed transmission) as the Caravan that we raced in this video... So the results would likely be very similar. www.edmunds.com/dodge/grand-caravan/2018/st-401728504/features-specs/ We were both really surprised that the Odyssey won as well - which is why we've been enjoying our Drag Racing series so much - on paper specs can tell a totally different story when the rubber meets the road :)
@@drivescene6747 Yeah they sure do. It would be interesting to race something with a more "pumped up" version of the J35 as well. The one in this Odyssey was only putting out 248HP, but there are some versions that get close to 300, depending on which vehicle they came in. Hopefully we'll be able to get our hands on more Honda's running the J35 as time passes!
@@everythingautomotiveeta5839 haha yeah that’s pretty much the premise that we based our channel off of 😂 drag racing “every day/ordinary” vehicles. It’s so much fun
So, the real question for the sake of longevity is which motor took the bigger beating? Which one could be abused like that daily and live longer because that's the van I want.
If you’re looking for longevity then it’s the Honda you want. Change the oil on time, drain and fill the trans fluid every 50,000kms, stay on top of regular service and it’ll go for a long time. The Odyssey in this video now has 280,000kms and is doing great.
Yessmaam. Your right. My mom has a 2012 crew and traction control off spins quite a bit. Not to mention that after 65 to 70 mph she’s a dog and barely holds its own and struggles to stay at 115mph. Kind of ironic as it’s red… just like Clifford the dog.
They sure do have a lot of power off the line! But yes, we were both very surprised to see the Odyssey come back and take the win! The Clifford comment is funny haha
I wish they'd have kept the 4.0 around. I have a 2010 Chrysler T&C with a 4.0 and that same 6spd auto. I like it so much better than the 3.6 I know it technically makes less power, but the torque seems more usuable for regular driving.
Yeah that makes total sense. It’s definitely the “useable” power that you notice more on a day to day driving basis for sure. Honestly though if Dodge had sorted the gearing out a little better, the Caravan would have easily won this race. It did really well in gears 1,2 and 3, but when it got to 4th it just fell flat. If 4th was a shorter gear it would have stayed in the power band and kept pulling. I’m really curious to see these new vans now with the 9 and 10 speeds
(Josh) As much as I'd love to think that the Odyssey could take one of those, I think it would get demolished 😂 But hey, if we can make it happen, we will!
Much appreciated! Yeah absolutely you contributed, every sub/like/share means a ton to us :) Lots more content coming so hope you continue to enjoy, thanks again!
Make sure to watch the whole video :) :) The Odyssey ends up taking the win in the end. The first race, both vehicles had their traction control on. When we turned the TC off in the Odyssey, it took the win no matter what. We were really surprised. That said, the new Pacifica and Odyssey would be a fantastic race, we're gonna try and line it up - thanks for your suggestion!
That tips adding some serious clout!! Odyssey all the way! That's gotta be the closest finish yet! Clearly the Dodge is cheating with the rust weight savings on the tailgate!!
We were both PUMPED that the Odyssey took the Win! One reason is because we both like Honda, the other because it was a serious underdog coming into the race. The Caravan had bigger numbers in every category, more Horsepower, Torque and better power to weight and yet somehow that Odyssey took the race. Huge surprise to both of us but that's what these races are all about!!
I’m gonna say the dodge caravan usually wins. Trust me. I’ve done it against a Honda Odyssey, and this lady is not pressing the gas like she supposed to.
Upload a video racing the two in a quarter mile and then we'll trust you :) We have the video footage to show what happened in this race. Both of us had our left foot hard down on the gas the entire time. We're not a biased channel. We just line up the vehicles and race.
Glad you mentioned that! We're actually going to line up the 5 spd and 6 spd Odyssey's for a race this summer, same generation, same engine - just different transmission. Very curious to see what'll happen there!
@@KingdomAuto that would be good to see. I have 270,000km and going strong. Love my minivan makes money for my work ad haul kids. Soccer mom stereotype out the window, I don't care I make my minivan look cool lol
@@badmandontdance Yeah we're excited as well, we already have both vans ready to go; just have to wait for the warmer weather to come around! Totally agree about the Minivan (Miranda might disagree 🤣 but I'm so happy with my Odyssey). They're fantastic, from a space and practicality point of view, they can't be beat.
We typically stick to just stock, daily-driver type vehicles, it’s what 95% of us drive and we enjoy the series :) as things progress, we might look into how a tune/mods can impact 1/4 mile time though
See this is the type of racing I can afford now that I got kids and my Blacked out 2018 GC. I got the NGK Spark Plugs with the RIPP ignition coil pack and a K&N cabin filter on mine. Not sure how much power was gained but seems to move slightly quicker. Wish I had you people to race around with 😢
This is the type of content we love! Racing regular vehicles, and we plan to stick to our roots for the long haul :) If you’re ever in Ontario Canada let us know! Happy to have you out to the track!
Yeah definitely agreed! We think that gearing really played into this as well - when that Caravan shifted into 4th gear it slowed right down, and the Odyssey was just getting into its powerband in 3rd at that same time, which enabled it to just fight back and take the win. That said though you're bang on; Honda always did make engines with a great top end!
@@JustinDaniels Haha yep, we know all about it, don’t you worry! What we were saying here was that the gearing of the vehicles really played into the result of the race. VTEC definitely helped the Odyssey in the top end but the 4th gear of the Caravan has a really strange ratio, and it slows right down as soon as it shifts into 4th, which allowed the Odyssey to come back and win. Had that 4th gear been a bit shorter in the Caravan, unfortunately the Odyssey wouldn’t have stood a chance. A really interesting race (or races) that we want to try and line up would be some of those new vans, the Pacifica, Sienna, Odyssey. They all have close to 300hp and 9 or 10 speed transmissions. Would be fun to see how they do as well!
@@fealiks honestly that pentastar engine has a TON of power, no question it’s got more torque than the Honda. It’s literally just gearing which is pretty crazy!
@@fealiks yeah you’re right, they are good overall. There’s been some issues with the 5 speed paired to the V6 engine over the years. But I also found that most times, the vehicle owner never changed the fluid as well… so it’s hard to say if that was a maintenance issue or an actual transmission issue in those cases… The Odyssey in this video has almost 270,000kms now and has been great so I’m very happy about that!
@@KingdomAuto can you do Chrysler town and country vs dodge caravan I know they’re basically the same but It would still be cool seeing them race each other
@@kingearrape3488 Haha that would be interesting!! Yeah if we can ever find both vans then we'll make it happen! This coming summer we'll be racing two Odyssey's of the same generation, one with the 6 speed transmission and one with the 5 speed, but same body, engine, etc. We're pretty curious to see how that race turns out :)
Wow that’s cool! I know Miranda was really happy that the cup holders were big enough to fit that Yeti in them 🤣😂 Not many cup holders in cars are big enough
Replied to your other comment. We don’t have bias on the channel. We just line the vehicles up and race them. The Caravan was much faster when looking at 0-100km/h but its 4th gear is dreadfully slow, which allowed the Odyssey to just come back and edge out the Caravan for the 1/4 mile. How many Odyssey’s have you raced on a proper drag strip in the 1/4 mile? Or are we just talking quick races from a red light? There’s a big difference in those two types of races
Would be interesting to see how that engine does for sure, it’s bigger in displacement but puts out significantly less power than the 3.6 engine used in the newer vans. Thanks for your comment!
Downshift at redline? That doesn’t seem like a great idea. The Caravan lost because of its 4th gear. Falls flat on its face because of the gear ratio, very odd gearing. Give it a shorter 4th and it wins every time against the Honda
Thanks for your comment - we think this matchup was a pretty good one :) Both vans are only one generation older than what is currently on the market now, so actually it's a very comparable matchup, despite there being 5 years between the two vans that we raced today. For example, a 2016 Honda Odyssey is the exact same generation as the 2011 that we used in this race. So even if we had a 2016 Odyssey, there were only minor changes that were made to the van when compared to the 2011 that you saw in the video. So regarding a 2022 Odyssey, a great match for that would likely be a 2022 Chrysler Pacifica (or any 2022 van as they've all been redone), as both models have been redesigned from the ground up. Cheers!
@@ridinglacs 😂😂 Fair enough :) We try to line up vehicles that are similar on paper to make for good races. The newer vans have quite a bit more power than the ones in this video. That to say though, we are going to try to get our hands on some new Minivan models and put them up against each other as well, should be interesting so stay tuned :)
Thanks for your comment! We have a couple Sienna's in the works for next season so if we can make it happen, we will! That said though, up until 2016, the Sienna's 3.5L engine only made 18 more HP and actually 5 ft-lbs LESS torque than the Odyssey, and it weights almost exactly the same as the Odyssey as well. So on paper, it's actually a VERY even race (one that we're trying to line up)! From 2017 and on, Toyota really bumped up the HP to somewhere in the 290's and similarly increased the TQ as well. However, all other manufactures shortly followed suit, with all vans now making close to 300HP and 270TQ. What we're getting at, is that all of the older generation vans are extremely close on paper when it comes to power to weight, and all of the newer vans (2020 and up) have all been redesigned with more power, and they also are all very close on paper as well! Either way, we're going to be trying to race some more older gen. vans and also the new ones too so stay tuned :)
@@letsgobrandon5800 Yeah that makes total sense because in 2017, Toyota REALLY cranked up the power of the Sienna, so it's understandable that the Sienna was faster than your older Odyssey when comparing those years for sure. A fair comparison would be a 2016 (or older) Sienna Vs either of the two vans in the video because they all had similar power numbers. And then a couple other good races would be a 2017 or newer Sienna Vs. the redesigned Odyssey or Chrysler Pacifica because both of those models have also had their engines tuned up to make more power :)
We’re gonna try and line up a 5 speed and a 6 speed Odyssey this summer :) the 5 speed seems to do really well towards the end of the 1/4 mile (as we saw in this race) but it’ll be interesting to see if it can come back enough to win against the 6 speed transmission
@@KingdomAuto sweat! I believe the 5spd pulls more at high rpms because it has more torque and power than the 6spd if am not mistaken so since the gear ratios are longer on the 5spd, they probably wanted to compensate for that so it doesn't feel too long for the engine to reach max rev
@@redtail1. yeah it’ll be really interesting to see what happens! We have a 2011 and a 2014 Odyssey ready to go. Both have the same engine and same power output, only difference is 5 speed vs 6 speed transmission so we’re really curious to which van wins :) The 2011 (5 speed) is mine so I really hope it wins 😂😂
I noticed the caravan is flex fuel....try racing him with flex fuel ...the caravan woulda won...i guarantee u...plus the caravan has more wheel spin...the odyseey grips tires from the line
We try to make the comparisons as even as possible, so giving the Caravan a higher ethanol content (which is what flex fuel is; just a way to tune the engine for performance based on ethanol content) would have given an advantage to the Caravan. Additionally, we raced the Odyssey with a different wheel/tire combo (proof in one of our other videos) and even with the wheel spin the Odyssey won so that didn’t make a difference at all. Bottom line, in an “apples to apples” with comparison with regular street gas, the Odyssey was faster in this race
@@user-ld8ep5vx1j the Odyssey wins that. As you can see in the video, the Caravan slows down in the top end and that’s when the Honda catches up. Odyssey takes the roller as well. We were also very busy filming this video at the same time as the Caravan Vs. Odyssey: ua-cam.com/video/mPFFth0mObQ/v-deo.htmlsi=ouVbBeq6p0ieHjmA So we didn’t have time to film the roller between the vans but we did run it and the Honda wins
@@TheRealStevenSeagals Yeah those V6 Accords are sleepers! Fun and faster than a lot of people realize. We're in the process of trying to find one to get out to the track.
@@KingdomAuto i seen the civic vs the journey . Vtec helped in that one too only being a sohc id just love to see more civic and odyssey videos. your videos make my day better !!
@@EndritBajramiEshte21 Haha thanks so much!! Yeah I think we have one more with the 1.8L Civic coming out for this season, that's actually being released next week! And then we also have a Civic Type R Vs. a 5.0 Mustang as well, that should be released in the next 1-2 months :) But we sure hope to continue this series for a long time! Thanks again :)
Would have not even stood a chance against the odyssey at all if the odyssey was a 6 speed. Even the new odyssey will destroy a Pacifica by a whole second at least
Did you watch the whole video? The Odyssey won the race :) first race the Odyssey had traction control on which cut the throttle, races 2 and 3 the Odyssey took + had the overall faster 1/4 mile time
@Car Conversations by your own definition then, all vans are wimpy, not just the Odyssey 😂 These are vans we’re talking about, not performance cars; they have more than enough power to haul a family around, while still getting decent efficiency as well. Sure it’s always fun to have “more power” but when you’re looking at a great balance of everything, vans do a great job.
Legend has it the Odyssey went through 3 transmissions that day
They had issues for a couple years (wasn’t it mainly the previous generation Odysseys? 2005-2010?) but overall they are very good. Especially if the transmission fluid was changed once a year. This specific van has been out to the track multiple times, has 215,000kms, original transmission and it’s running great.
That said, the newer 10 speeds have run into a couple issues, however, most people who have even just changed their transmission fluid regularly have seen them last well over 200k.
@@KingdomAuto I'm just talking shit cuz I have a built v6 accord goin on it's 2nd trans lol, any vehicle with a j series drivetrain is automatically a good vehicle, regardless of transmission problems
@@KingdomAuto j series automatics were pretty weak up until about 07, 2nd gear bearing is too small and valve body needs upgrade, I plan on running a heavy duty torque converter and external transmission cooler(these our amazing for these vehicles), anyways nice video dude was a fun race too see
@@tonymaas1709 Ah interesting, yeah I thought it was the older models that struggled a little more with transmission issues. Thankfully as they got a bit newer, they improved. This Odyssey in the video is actually mine so I do take care of it, and thankfully the engine and transmission have both been doing great so far!!
Good to know about the external cooler as well.
Thanks for your comment!!
😅🤣😂
Being a Honda tech for 3 years...that's frggn hilarious
😅🤣😂
I’m more interested to see the Pacifica in this race. Especially with the 9 speed auto, being more aerodynamic than the Grand Caravan, and slight power upgrade.
My grandmother had a 2014 T&C limited and I never liked the gearing in that 6 speed, luckily she now has a 21 Pacifica Limited and it feels more alive.
That's great to know! Yeah we're REALLY interested to see the newer vans and how they perform as well, considering they all have more gears and more power. If we can get our hands on them, we'll make those races happen.
Thanks for your comment!
VTEC for the win. Honda engines are sometimes slower off the start, but pull harder when you hit the i-VTEC activation point!
Yeah you’re right, Honda’s have always loved to rev and do great up at the top of the rev range. We were both surprised that the Odyssey took the win here! Fun race 😊
Damn, I’d wanna see Pacifica vs the new odyssey with 280 hp
I have a 2008 Honda Odyssey and it really comes down to how you drive it. It you start in first with the Trac off you'll break the tires free and have to half throttle and shift to second at 6300 RPM to hit the sweet spot. The first 3 gears are going to be quick and have the most acceleration as the engine will be in the best range of the power band which starts at 3500 but the really kicks in a 4200rpm. I've done a few pulls on my van and had to slow down. I've done a few pulls on my wife 2011 Rav 4 and that things revs likes it a 4AGE from a Corolla when I manually shift it.
Turn off eco on the dodge; I had one. It changes the shift points in the higher gears.
Thanks for your comment, yeah we had it off for the races filmed. The Dodge does really well in the first couple gears but then in 4th it really seems to slow down and the Odyssey was just able to sneak by. There’s no doubt though, if the Odyssey doesn’t get a perfect launch, the Caravan takes the win. It would be really interesting to see the new vans up against one another too. We’re trying to find a few of them and get them out to the track 👍
Oh those bronze wheels look so good!!!
And those floppy ears are hilarious 🤣 keep these videos coming, my kids are enjoying them😁
(Josh Speaking) Thanks! I think so too 😁😁
Glad your kiddo's are enjoying the videos (and the hats!!) lots more coming!!
Thanks again :)
@@KingdomAuto looking forward to it👍👍👍
Wow!! Pretty exciting. Can’t believe how fast the Caravan was with traction control on!! Thank you!! That was fun!
Yeah we were really surprised as well! Another big surprise for us was how close the race was too, those are definitely most fun :)
Thanks for your support!
I also own a Black 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. Was the Econ Button on? That Econ mode is not good for throttle response and gets the transmission into higher gears faster, keeping the rpm lower.
We tried with it on and off :) Odyssey was still able to edge out the win regardless
I wish they ran a caravan gt. They have a 3:16 final drive ratio and it would have laid a smack down on the little oddessy
We’re all about finding even matchups and putting those vehicles up against one another.
Seems like the GT only came out a few years back, so putting it up against this Odyssey in the video (2011) isn’t that great of a comparison.
Putting the GT up against a new Odyssey with far more power and either a 9 or 10 speed transmission would be a better race.
Whereas this race between an older Caravan and an older Odyssey worked great, being that they are much closer in age/trim levels
RIPP makes a supercharger for the pentastar V6'. In a minivan it might be a tight fit but you would net at least 100 HP and torque. In most applications it's pretty easy on the drivetrain because it has a gradual power delivery. It also has no turbo lag.
That's a bunch of VSI have the same Van 2019 GT and it was smoking Odyssey anyday
Happy for you :)
We don’t have any bias on our channel. We just line the vehicles up and race them. In this case the Odyssey slightly edged out the Caravan.
Keep in mind, these vans are much older than yours. Yours would be better suited for a race against the newer Odyssey’s with either the 9 or 10 speed transmissions. Plus, Honda increased the power of the Odyssey in 2019 as well. So I’m sure your van beats older Odysseys quite easily, but it would be interesting to see how it does with a 2019+
We’re actively trying to find newer vans and get them out to the track. Would be fun to film some races with them
Definitely Pentastar especially for the exhaust burble. Honda is too ricey
For real eh? We both preferred the Honda but 100% to each their own :)
Lol they're hypothesizing aero 😂
You can tell how serious we are about our science eh? 😂😂
The dodge caravan GT would smoke that Honda
From what we've researched, the GT was made beginning in 2018 and it had the exact same 3.6L V6 engine (and same 6 speed transmission) as the Caravan that we raced in this video... So the results would likely be very similar.
www.edmunds.com/dodge/grand-caravan/2018/st-401728504/features-specs/
We were both really surprised that the Odyssey won as well - which is why we've been enjoying our Drag Racing series so much - on paper specs can tell a totally different story when the rubber meets the road :)
Vtec kicked in….yo lol
It most certainly did! And gave just enough power to get the win! Those J35 engines are pretty strong for sure :)
@@KingdomAuto lol yep, Honda J series V6 engines have crazy top end
@@drivescene6747 Yeah they sure do. It would be interesting to race something with a more "pumped up" version of the J35 as well. The one in this Odyssey was only putting out 248HP, but there are some versions that get close to 300, depending on which vehicle they came in. Hopefully we'll be able to get our hands on more Honda's running the J35 as time passes!
That was fun
We both thought so too, the close races are the best
@@KingdomAuto absolutely agree! Especially when it's with vehicles that you don't usually see! Appreciate the upload!
@@everythingautomotiveeta5839 haha yeah that’s pretty much the premise that we based our channel off of 😂 drag racing “every day/ordinary” vehicles.
It’s so much fun
Them fast ass vans 😂
Gotta get to sports practice on time right? 🤣😂
@@KingdomAuto right 😂
So, the real question for the sake of longevity is which motor took the bigger beating? Which one could be abused like that daily and live longer because that's the van I want.
If you’re looking for longevity then it’s the Honda you want. Change the oil on time, drain and fill the trans fluid every 50,000kms, stay on top of regular service and it’ll go for a long time. The Odyssey in this video now has 280,000kms and is doing great.
My dad has a dodge come and join us for the race🤣🤣
Sounds like a plan!! 😁😁
But I am a kid
Yessmaam. Your right. My mom has a 2012 crew and traction control off spins quite a bit. Not to mention that after 65 to 70 mph she’s a dog and barely holds its own and struggles to stay at 115mph. Kind of ironic as it’s red… just like Clifford the dog.
They sure do have a lot of power off the line! But yes, we were both very surprised to see the Odyssey come back and take the win! The Clifford comment is funny haha
I wish they'd have kept the 4.0 around. I have a 2010 Chrysler T&C with a 4.0 and that same 6spd auto. I like it so much better than the 3.6 I know it technically makes less power, but the torque seems more usuable for regular driving.
Yeah that makes total sense. It’s definitely the “useable” power that you notice more on a day to day driving basis for sure. Honestly though if Dodge had sorted the gearing out a little better, the Caravan would have easily won this race. It did really well in gears 1,2 and 3, but when it got to 4th it just fell flat.
If 4th was a shorter gear it would have stayed in the power band and kept pulling.
I’m really curious to see these new vans now with the 9 and 10 speeds
pleaseeee race the odyssey more
Will do!! We're going to try and get a Sienna out for next season as well :)
Factory Challenger,Charger,Camaro vs the formidable Odyssey
(Josh) As much as I'd love to think that the Odyssey could take one of those, I think it would get demolished 😂 But hey, if we can make it happen, we will!
loved your video and subbed! pretty fun! Good Luck to you guys!!! hope I contributed a little bit :D
Much appreciated! Yeah absolutely you contributed, every sub/like/share means a ton to us :)
Lots more content coming so hope you continue to enjoy, thanks again!
On the Dodge you can hold the gear changes back by using the Dodges gear selector like a panel shifter
Nice, that could help with a rolling race for sure. The Odyssey could also do the same if using low range, and then “shifting” up into drive.
9at Pacifica vs 10at Odyssey 👀
#Hondagang though but the hp difference and the extra gear showed to be more effective here
Make sure to watch the whole video :) :) The Odyssey ends up taking the win in the end. The first race, both vehicles had their traction control on. When we turned the TC off in the Odyssey, it took the win no matter what. We were really surprised.
That said, the new Pacifica and Odyssey would be a fantastic race, we're gonna try and line it up - thanks for your suggestion!
That tips adding some serious clout!! Odyssey all the way! That's gotta be the closest finish yet! Clearly the Dodge is cheating with the rust weight savings on the tailgate!!
We were both PUMPED that the Odyssey took the Win! One reason is because we both like Honda, the other because it was a serious underdog coming into the race. The Caravan had bigger numbers in every category, more Horsepower, Torque and better power to weight and yet somehow that Odyssey took the race.
Huge surprise to both of us but that's what these races are all about!!
@@KingdomAuto well I can say that the j35 performs well above the numbers and, well… it’s a dodge… sorry dodge (lowercase because well… dodge) 🤣😂🤣
@@andysgaragetherapy 🤣😂 Yeah there's no doubt that the gearing in that Caravan didn't do it any favours haha
@@KingdomAuto he's going to win Dodge Grand Caravan is going to win
@@nicolemcneal9495 The Odyssey won in this case :)
Let that i-vtec kick in yo
For sure! 💪🏻💪🏻 surprised it was able to come back and win :) fun race!
I’m gonna say the dodge caravan usually wins. Trust me. I’ve done it against a Honda Odyssey, and this lady is not pressing the gas like she supposed to.
Upload a video racing the two in a quarter mile and then we'll trust you :)
We have the video footage to show what happened in this race. Both of us had our left foot hard down on the gas the entire time.
We're not a biased channel. We just line up the vehicles and race.
My 15 odyssey is a 6spd, the odyssey has the power it comes down to the transmission.
Glad you mentioned that! We're actually going to line up the 5 spd and 6 spd Odyssey's for a race this summer, same generation, same engine - just different transmission.
Very curious to see what'll happen there!
@@KingdomAuto that would be good to see. I have 270,000km and going strong. Love my minivan makes money for my work ad haul kids. Soccer mom stereotype out the window, I don't care I make my minivan look cool lol
@@badmandontdance Yeah we're excited as well, we already have both vans ready to go; just have to wait for the warmer weather to come around!
Totally agree about the Minivan (Miranda might disagree 🤣 but I'm so happy with my Odyssey).
They're fantastic, from a space and practicality point of view, they can't be beat.
Buy three dodges or two hondas for the same price.
We’d lean towards two Honda’s haha
I like the Dodge Grand Caravan a lot.
Nice! We both prefer the Odyssey but there’s no denying that the Caravan is a great vehicle for the price :)
You need a good air system to open that v6 up
We typically stick to just stock, daily-driver type vehicles, it’s what 95% of us drive and we enjoy the series :) as things progress, we might look into how a tune/mods can impact 1/4 mile time though
See this is the type of racing I can afford now that I got kids and my Blacked out 2018 GC. I got the NGK Spark Plugs with the RIPP ignition coil pack and a K&N cabin filter on mine. Not sure how much power was gained but seems to move slightly quicker. Wish I had you people to race around with 😢
This is the type of content we love! Racing regular vehicles, and we plan to stick to our roots for the long haul :)
If you’re ever in Ontario Canada let us know! Happy to have you out to the track!
@@KingdomAutoand I got a caravan you guys would love it
@@hugojohnson7260 have fun with it! Vans are quicker than most people realize 😁
@@KingdomAuto u wanna race?
@@hugojohnson7260 possibly at some point! Not sure if the air field is still available this summer.
honda always does high rpm top end good for the size engines they use
Yeah definitely agreed! We think that gearing really played into this as well - when that Caravan shifted into 4th gear it slowed right down, and the Odyssey was just getting into its powerband in 3rd at that same time, which enabled it to just fight back and take the win. That said though you're bang on; Honda always did make engines with a great top end!
@@KingdomAuto It's called VTEC
@@JustinDaniels Haha yep, we know all about it, don’t you worry! What we were saying here was that the gearing of the vehicles really played into the result of the race. VTEC definitely helped the Odyssey in the top end but the 4th gear of the Caravan has a really strange ratio, and it slows right down as soon as it shifts into 4th, which allowed the Odyssey to come back and win. Had that 4th gear been a bit shorter in the Caravan, unfortunately the Odyssey wouldn’t have stood a chance.
A really interesting race (or races) that we want to try and line up would be some of those new vans, the Pacifica, Sienna, Odyssey. They all have close to 300hp and 9 or 10 speed transmissions. Would be fun to see how they do as well!
Drive that grand caravan in slap shift and you’ll get WAYYYY better performance trust me
We tried that, it still falls flat on its face in 4th gear and that’s when the Odyssey would come back and take the win
@@KingdomAuto okay yeah now that you point it out it makes sense, she does struggle in 4th😂
@@fealiks honestly that pentastar engine has a TON of power, no question it’s got more torque than the Honda. It’s literally just gearing which is pretty crazy!
@@KingdomAuto yeah, Honda is just unbeatable in that department
@@fealiks yeah you’re right, they are good overall. There’s been some issues with the 5 speed paired to the V6 engine over the years. But I also found that most times, the vehicle owner never changed the fluid as well… so it’s hard to say if that was a maintenance issue or an actual transmission issue in those cases…
The Odyssey in this video has almost 270,000kms now and has been great so I’m very happy about that!
The only reason why the Dodge lost is because she didn’t put the backseats down for extra horsepower 😂
😂🤣😂
@@KingdomAuto can you do Chrysler town and country vs dodge caravan I know they’re basically the same but It would still be cool seeing them race each other
@@kingearrape3488 Haha that would be interesting!! Yeah if we can ever find both vans then we'll make it happen! This coming summer we'll be racing two Odyssey's of the same generation, one with the 6 speed transmission and one with the 5 speed, but same body, engine, etc. We're pretty curious to see how that race turns out :)
@@KingdomAuto can’t wait to see it
Once the Grand Caravan hit 4th gear it falls on its face
Yep that’s exactly what happened. So surprising!! We thought it was gonna easily take the win
I have a Grand Caravan and the same Yeti cup sitting in the cup holder🤯
Wow that’s cool! I know Miranda was really happy that the cup holders were big enough to fit that Yeti in them 🤣😂
Not many cup holders in cars are big enough
How do you like your dodge?
Dodge caravan 4.0 v6 VS dodge caravan 3.6 v6
For sure, those 4.0 Caravans are pretty uncommon around here but if we can get our hands on one we’ll make it happen :)
Rare to find
I have the same Van but a 2019 and I can tell you an Odyssey will not keep up with it
Replied to your other comment. We don’t have bias on the channel. We just line the vehicles up and race them.
The Caravan was much faster when looking at 0-100km/h but its 4th gear is dreadfully slow, which allowed the Odyssey to just come back and edge out the Caravan for the 1/4 mile.
How many Odyssey’s have you raced on a proper drag strip in the 1/4 mile? Or are we just talking quick races from a red light? There’s a big difference in those two types of races
Dodge grand caravan 3.8L 2006 sxt vs honda
Would be interesting to see how that engine does for sure, it’s bigger in displacement but puts out significantly less power than the 3.6 engine used in the newer vans. Thanks for your comment!
Honda vtec kicks in!
It sure did! We were both shocked that the Odyssey came back and won!
Downshift on the grand.... she'll get ya....2013 grand caravan se, loves imports & all...
Downshift at redline? That doesn’t seem like a great idea.
The Caravan lost because of its 4th gear. Falls flat on its face because of the gear ratio, very odd gearing.
Give it a shorter 4th and it wins every time against the Honda
Wait but is that custom pipe on the odyssey making it faster?
No no, not at all. It’s just a tip on the end of the pipe, simply for looks. The exhaust, and the van is completely stock :)
@@KingdomAuto ok 👍🏿
@@watchingbased784 Good eye though! An exhaust/tune, etc would definitely make a difference!
@@KingdomAuto Me and my family have a Honda Odyssey and I just so happen to notice it. LOL
@@watchingbased784 Nice! They’re great vans :)
Igualmente me sigue gustando mas la Dodge que la Honda!
That's ok :) We both personally prefer the Honda but the Dodge has some good attributes too!
Cheap V6 power for engine swaps and in some cases AWD .
Yeah the engines in both of those vans are quite capable for their size. Plus they’re very simple engines too, easy to work on and very reliable
The Dodge had better take off but looses it on top end.
Yep that’s exactly what happened, much to our surprise
Doncha Knowh
Oh fer sure
3.5 VTEC baby 💨💨💨🏌️🏌️💯💯
Yeah the Odyssey did a great job fighting its way back for the win!!
me too
Me too
Should have races a 2022 odyssey with that age difference
Thanks for your comment - we think this matchup was a pretty good one :) Both vans are only one generation older than what is currently on the market now, so actually it's a very comparable matchup, despite there being 5 years between the two vans that we raced today.
For example, a 2016 Honda Odyssey is the exact same generation as the 2011 that we used in this race. So even if we had a 2016 Odyssey, there were only minor changes that were made to the van when compared to the 2011 that you saw in the video.
So regarding a 2022 Odyssey, a great match for that would likely be a 2022 Chrysler Pacifica (or any 2022 van as they've all been redone), as both models have been redesigned from the ground up.
Cheers!
Cool reply I disagree
@@ridinglacs 😂😂 Fair enough :) We try to line up vehicles that are similar on paper to make for good races. The newer vans have quite a bit more power than the ones in this video. That to say though, we are going to try to get our hands on some new Minivan models and put them up against each other as well, should be interesting so stay tuned :)
@@KingdomAuto I’m subscribing if I haven’t yet.
@@ridinglacs Much appreciated!
Let's go Honda 😂
Agreed! We're both still so surprised that the Odyssey took the win!
@@KingdomAuto Can you do a 2015 Honda fit vs a 2015 Toyota Prius please
@@blazesvinylrecords7951 Yeah great suggestion :) We've saved your comment and will do our best to line those up in the future!
No honda Odyssey sucks😡
Should’ve had the 3.5 liter Sienna. It would smoke both of them.
Thanks for your comment! We have a couple Sienna's in the works for next season so if we can make it happen, we will! That said though, up until 2016, the Sienna's 3.5L engine only made 18 more HP and actually 5 ft-lbs LESS torque than the Odyssey, and it weights almost exactly the same as the Odyssey as well. So on paper, it's actually a VERY even race (one that we're trying to line up)!
From 2017 and on, Toyota really bumped up the HP to somewhere in the 290's and similarly increased the TQ as well. However, all other manufactures shortly followed suit, with all vans now making close to 300HP and 270TQ.
What we're getting at, is that all of the older generation vans are extremely close on paper when it comes to power to weight, and all of the newer vans (2020 and up) have all been redesigned with more power, and they also are all very close on paper as well!
Either way, we're going to be trying to race some more older gen. vans and also the new ones too so stay tuned :)
@@KingdomAuto I had an 18 SE Sienna and it was by far quicker than my old Odyssey. Race em, you’ll see the Sienna is a rocket.
@@letsgobrandon5800 Yeah that makes total sense because in 2017, Toyota REALLY cranked up the power of the Sienna, so it's understandable that the Sienna was faster than your older Odyssey when comparing those years for sure.
A fair comparison would be a 2016 (or older) Sienna Vs either of the two vans in the video because they all had similar power numbers.
And then a couple other good races would be a 2017 or newer Sienna Vs. the redesigned Odyssey or Chrysler Pacifica because both of those models have also had their engines tuned up to make more power :)
Brake torque please
We tried one race off camera brake torquing, didn't change the result. In most of our newer videos, we've been including those races
The 6spd 2011 odyssey accelerates faster off the line than the 5spd odyssey 2011
We’re gonna try and line up a 5 speed and a 6 speed Odyssey this summer :) the 5 speed seems to do really well towards the end of the 1/4 mile (as we saw in this race) but it’ll be interesting to see if it can come back enough to win against the 6 speed transmission
@@KingdomAuto sweat! I believe the 5spd pulls more at high rpms because it has more torque and power than the 6spd if am not mistaken so since the gear ratios are longer on the 5spd, they probably wanted to compensate for that so it doesn't feel too long for the engine to reach max rev
@@redtail1. yeah it’ll be really interesting to see what happens! We have a 2011 and a 2014 Odyssey ready to go. Both have the same engine and same power output, only difference is 5 speed vs 6 speed transmission so we’re really curious to which van wins :)
The 2011 (5 speed) is mine so I really hope it wins 😂😂
@@KingdomAuto lol have fun, i will be watching this
@@redtail1. Appreciate the support! Many more races to come :)
I noticed the caravan is flex fuel....try racing him with flex fuel ...the caravan woulda won...i guarantee u...plus the caravan has more wheel spin...the odyseey grips tires from the line
We try to make the comparisons as even as possible, so giving the Caravan a higher ethanol content (which is what flex fuel is; just a way to tune the engine for performance based on ethanol content) would have given an advantage to the Caravan. Additionally, we raced the Odyssey with a different wheel/tire combo (proof in one of our other videos) and even with the wheel spin the Odyssey won so that didn’t make a difference at all.
Bottom line, in an “apples to apples” with comparison with regular street gas, the Odyssey was faster in this race
Why didn't u guys do a roll race ....that would of been better .....
@@user-ld8ep5vx1j the Odyssey wins that. As you can see in the video, the Caravan slows down in the top end and that’s when the Honda catches up. Odyssey takes the roller as well.
We were also very busy filming this video at the same time as the Caravan Vs. Odyssey:
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So we didn’t have time to film the roller between the vans but we did run it and the Honda wins
I got van dodge and honda toy
Nice
Honda crew
Quite the race for sure - was pretty wild to see the Odyssey claw it’s way back like that. Fun times :)
@@KingdomAuto we have the same engine, my Accord is my baby. It's defeated many of my friends cars, and does great on gas.
@@TheRealStevenSeagals Yeah those V6 Accords are sleepers! Fun and faster than a lot of people realize. We're in the process of trying to find one to get out to the track.
@@KingdomAuto what state are y'all located in?
@@TheRealStevenSeagals We're up in the great white north - Ontario Canada lol.
VTEC
It really does help with top end power :) We were both really surprised that the Odyssey took this race!
@@KingdomAuto i seen the civic vs the journey . Vtec helped in that one too only being a sohc id just love to see more civic and odyssey videos. your videos make my day better !!
@@EndritBajramiEshte21 Haha thanks so much!! Yeah I think we have one more with the 1.8L Civic coming out for this season, that's actually being released next week! And then we also have a Civic Type R Vs. a 5.0 Mustang as well, that should be released in the next 1-2 months :) But we sure hope to continue this series for a long time!
Thanks again :)
Would have not even stood a chance against the odyssey at all if the odyssey was a 6 speed. Even the new odyssey will destroy a Pacifica by a whole second at least
Did you watch the whole video? The Odyssey won the race :) first race the Odyssey had traction control on which cut the throttle, races 2 and 3 the Odyssey took + had the overall faster 1/4 mile time
I HATE THAT HONDA MINIVAN
Good for you. We both really like them. They’re fantastic vans.
Odysseys are wimpy
How so? As far as vans go they’re fantastic. And, in this race, faster than the Caravan too!
@@KingdomAuto The Sienna used to have 296 hp and the odyssey had 249. Caravans are also underpowered and can’t get up and go
@Car Conversations by your own definition then, all vans are wimpy, not just the Odyssey 😂
These are vans we’re talking about, not performance cars; they have more than enough power to haul a family around, while still getting decent efficiency as well.
Sure it’s always fun to have “more power” but when you’re looking at a great balance of everything, vans do a great job.