It needs to be for companies to be better. If all they care about is money than yes for the money you will be throwing at them you absolutely have to tell it like it is.
One thing I will always love about your content is how up front and and simple it is, while also being of high quality. The tests you do are great, and if a product is bad, you're not afraid to call a spade a spade
@@damdibidum Ah that makes sense, so the monitors may at some point have gotten a 1ms response time in a specific type of test - but that specific type of test represents an unrealistic scenario for end users Seems to me that regulators need to step in if market forces push manufacturers to behave like this
Some monitors have crazy overdrive modes that are unusable just so they can put that 1ms response time on the box. For this one even that wasn't possible 🤣
No different than 99% of marketing: Some exceptions apply, in some circumstances, unintended side effects may happen in non-lab conditions, talk to your doctor (which has been paid by us)
I love the savagery at the beginning at MSI naming scheme. I don’t know why companies haven’t realised the importance of correct naming for marketing and consumers sake.
Just yesterday, a friend asked "hey I'm looking for a monitor what would you recommend" and I had to send him links because the names are impossible to memorize.
Thank you so much for your honesty. You've helped me make a decision on my RAM and my monitor for my PC I'm about to build. Sucks to MSI fail so hard after their Mag274QRF-QD which is a beast.
I appreciate the data and honesty.. but as an owner of this monitor for almost 2 years now I can say without certain doubt that the "issues" you describe claiming its un-usable as a gaming monitor are rather exaggerated. I play FPS games at a very high level, over $20k in earnings in the pat 3 years alone, and that's without being a content creator or under contract to an org/team. That being said, performance matters, A LOT to me. I've had no issue with this monitor and honestly it was a HUGE improvement over my last. Whatever ghosting and 'fake' response times you say the monitor has clearly doesn't mean shit because I play just fine on it. What I'd like to point out though, which is my main talking point here.. is that this monitor only has one (1) single competitor in its class.. that being the G7. These are the only 2 monitors that I can find that are 27 inch 1000R curved with 240hz+ and 1440p+. Now that we only have two options that satisfy those requirements... We take a look at the prices and OH BOY! The G7 is anywhere between $580 and $700 USD. Meanwhile, the Artymis is roughly HALF that price coming in around $270 to $350 USD. In my eyes, something that is basically the same spare one small quirk, that is HALF THE COST is not something you should be calling 'Crap' and 'not fit to be a gaming monitor' If anyone is here because they are looking to purchase this monitor.. DO IT. I give my word you'll love it.
I wish Hardware Unboxed would make a comparison of BIOS (UEFI) interfaces of different vendors. Some of them are so complicated. I have Gigabyte X570 Gaming X. There is nothing gaming about it. The BIOS structure is confusing and many of the entries are repeated in various sections. Gigabyte X570 Engineering X would be an appropriate name. BIOS UI from MSI and ASUS is so much better.
Buildzoid has a 55minute bios walkthrough for gigabyte x570, maybe try googling first instead of asking other youtubers to custom tailor a video for you lol
@@ThunderingRoar I am not saying I don't understand the options. I am saying the BIOS is badly organized and the options are badly named for a gaming motherboard.
@@AntonChekhoff You're asking a gaming review channel to review gaming motherboard bioses/UIs. Seems quite fair to me! While I am not as invested I'd be curious to see it covered well, in one place by a channel I trust. Especially a comparative one with all the brands.
I believe I have this monitor. My issues with it were way too much freaking blue compared to what was advertised, sharpness was good, the stand was good. But this monitor murders color not matter what adjustments are made due to the lighting. It at least was a lowish budget entry at the time.
It's a new monitor ffs. You must have a different, also crappy, msi monitor. Do your research on products before you buy, especially with monitors as most are rubbish.
@@barrycooper8640 I think I have the previous version this is based off of, as the guy said the naming schemes aren't doing them any favors. And I did do research vs budget during a cyber monday, obviously I fell for marketing, shit happens, I got first hand research now I won't touch an MSI monitor again.
@@madjackgamingandfitness498 Not sure that's the best conclusion, because other MSI monitors (MAG274QRF-QD for example) are fine, even excellent. Every company sometimes makes shit products. Some companies make them more often than others. Best to stick to products that have good, in-depth reviews by a third party imo, at least if it's a big-ticket/expensive purchase.
Especially with a names like 273CQRX-QD, It's highly recommend to carefully check the exact model. While also noting: * MSRP: one of the cheapest ones? * The relative age: last years model? * General specs: - 27" VA, instead of TN/IPS? - Quantum Dot layer (QD)? - Flat or curved (R1000? R1800?)? - 120/165/240 Hz ? Examples of the names for 27" LCD-monitors by MSI: MSI MPG ARTYMIS *273CQRX-QD* MSI MPG ARTYMIS 273CQR-QD MSI MPG ARTYMIS 273CQR MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD MSI Optix MAG272CQR MSI Optix MAG271VCR As far as I know, as an owner of MSI Optix MAG321CQR (got it cheaply back in 2019...), codes are something like this: MPG more expensive lineup, than MAG 27 panel size is 27" 272 version 2 of the 27" model in question C Curved panel Q Quad HD (1440p) R Some sort of RGB-lighting X extended refresh rate (165 Hz --> 240 Hz) -QD Quantum Dot layer (wider colour gamut) V ? F ?
This channel is the epitome of professionalism. These gentlemen don't shred bad products with slang and derogatory comments. They use quantitative data with qualitative insights sprinkled in, which helps us less-than-expert-level enthusiasts understand the data they present. Lastly, they explain how and why they come to the conclusions they give us. I trust this channel to give me sound product advice, and you should too.
Love this channel. You do a lot of good work. A piece of advice from one who has seen a great deal of bad happen to good folks on YT that don't deserve to be treated that way: Upon observing two pongids flinging feces at each other the wisest course of action probably isn't to go and stand by either of them as the probability of becoming inundated with fecal matter increases asymptotically as the inverse square of the distance between either of the pongids and yourself. I don't know either of the two pongids involved but seems to me like letting YT take the hit for settling the dispute between them (or the courts) is the safer course of action in this instance. Just trying to look out for one of my favorite UA-camrs!
No 1440p monitor beats the G7. The only thing i'll change to is 240hz QD oled. IPS is bad and IPS HDR is a joke. Yes i do have IPS in SDR and top end HDR. FALD IPS is good in SDR but HDR is bloom, crap blacks city. 4k HDR is limited in response times and nothing close to the G7. 1440p 240hz is the best thing and we just need 27" 1000nit HDR oled in that.
Ouch... Too bad it's performance isn't so hot, esp at that price point. But I do consider the hardware level color calibration a very welcome and extremely useful feature over the KVM - this is a feature I hope more manufacturers take notice of and more monitors will gain it moving forward.
I'm curious about your thoughts on the new Gigabyte M27Q P that recently came out. It's the new version of the M27Q and uses a standard RGB panel instead of the BGR panel that they used with the non P version.
Exact model is LM270WQA-SSA2, checked by serivce menu, so gigabyte in 2022 model impelemnted old lg panel which has problem with eye strain, this company is just so low quality it reaches mule in the ocean
@@freedom_fighter98 yeah, got screenshot of service menu if ur curious, i also had headaches and im so dissapointed waited 3 or 4 months for this monitor
MSI did it. They finally made a monitor named so horribly that even the legendary Tim had to shorthand it in the review for the sake of his sanity. Sadly, that's the most "prestigious" thing about this monitor. It's actually pretty impressive how efficiently certain aspects of the monitor (for example, the curve, which is best suited for gaming) negate its few positives (good blacks, great color gamut for a VA, best suited for content consumption when taking into account the horrible dark-level smearing). All for basically the same price as the much better Odyssey G7? Hard pass on this, chief. Thanks to Tim for all the hard work he puts into these reviews!
it was never meant for content consumption, why would u want a 240hz display to watch movies, its just a g7 2 years latter, for more money (the g7 can be found usually discounted due to its age), and its worse in every important aspect, sure better contrast.. like all the other va, samsung va had a terrible contrast ratio for va, the point is, it was still like x2 of what we had.. and KEPT the fast speed
Thanks for reviewing this. I was looking at this monitor and was wondering... Now I know!!! Maybe an interesting other VA panel to review would be the BenQ EX2710r or EX3210r curved monitor. The 32" one was quite well reviewed by some youtubers.
I bought 2 iiyama G-Master Red Eagle GB2770QSU-B1 4 months ago, for €250 a piece these are great, only the build quality with the original pivot are disappointing, but they are placed on a double monitor stand, which eliminated that issue. Also, the OSD knobs are placed at the bottom of the screen, with the original pivots everything is wobbling when you want to tweak something. But for IPS panel with 165 Hz refresh rate, these are pretty good. I don't use them for gaming, but in a digital music studio with an nVidea RTX Quadro GPU, for music production you also need a monitor with higher refresh rates for metering monitoring. So overall, I'm very glad I bought these without breaking my bank account. I came from an Apple iMac 24" display, but that one is not coming close to the iiyama's.
Dude, that bottom bezel design is very common. I am surprised you even mentioned it. I have a 34" UW Lenovo and a 27" 16:9 Viewsonic on my desk right now with the same basic design. Same with many monitors by samsung, LG, BenQ and pretty much any other manufacturer brands.
The Gigabyte M27Q P is available! In europe the non-P version hasn't been in stock for few months now. The New version even has a normal RGB design. A review would be awesome! Since its price is at 420€ right now, it is the same as the MSI MAG274QRF-QD. So quite the competiotion...... although the LG 27gp850 only costs 320 here in europe.
I have been using an Odyssey G7 for over half a year now and I have had 0 issues with scanlines. I think that was an issue patched out with newer firmwares.
The odyssey monitors have gotten a bad wrap because their quality control is poor. For example you can't fix dead pixels with firmware updates. They released some updates to fix flickering issues but even that went on for a year at least before they even started getting updates out. You've mostly been lucky with lottery.
Şcanlines were not fixed with latest firmware. Actually nothing that i know has been fixed with latest firmwares. Most of all i hate long wake up time from "screen off".
Motherboard: MSI X650 Extreme WiFi Ultimate Monitor: 273X7305BHECH Yeah, not sure why they couldn't come up with something like "MSI Extreme Refresh Gamer 27 2022"
Gonna play this video while I'm in the other room because even though I don't care about a crappy monitor I want to reward you doing good reviews of bad items warning us of them
I'm hopeful the new Meg 342C will be a winner. Hope it comes to market soon. Lets hope this is the year of QD Oled and not these wanna be dissapointments.
Exactly why I say don't listen to the 1ms the only true 1ms panel can be an oled due to its per pixel response time. The fact each pixel lights itself is the point. Lcd/led tvs just can't do the same without usually minimizing settings etc.
Thanks for the detailed review. Could you review some Philips monitors, for example Philips 329M1RV? I am interested in in (as an alternative to Gigabyte Aorus FI32U), has really good specs and features on paper, but I am bit skeptical.
"I really don't think it's worth spending anymore time talking about this monitor, because I don't think you should buy it." . Tim is an absolute savage, and I love him for it. Can always know exactly where a product stands. And you know a monitor name is ridiculous when even Tim won't bother saying it more than once or twice.
not gunna lie auto brightness is pretty neat wish more monitors had it but aside from that i love the genuine opinons and analysis of products here great work :)
Why isn't there a monitor out there that can beat my XZ271U. It's either lacking USB Ports or it doesn't have a headset holder. It's been 4 years and I want to upgrade damnit!
It feels like Monitors are getting worse. To me it seems with each passing year they deviate more and more from "manufacturers specs" and become more problematic in terms of DoA Units and general build quality.
To be honest panel definitly has potential, BUT it seems firmware is driving overshoot poorly. Take a loot at 5:47. In places where response time is high, there is pretty much no overshoot, meanwhile in red spots of overshoot, there is suddenly very fast response time. Especially part of graph at "From 51 To 26" sudden red spots of high overshoot, but only 2ms of response time. Then we go to similar spot (from 77 to 51) and suddenly overshoot is gone but response time goes up to 12.9. Pretty much entire red area in response time could benefit from way more overshoot setting while dropping a little overshoot in red overshoot areas wouldn't hurt much. The most noticable part is moving from normal to fastest, top left corner is still 50ms+ response time (yuck) but there is literally 0 overshoot.
When shopping for monitor rather than see the "response time" spec, I see the monitor panel technology. While it's not 100% correct but most of the time it will be true, TN panel is the fastest but old technology, IPS panel fix TN color and angle view problem but slower, and VA panel have the best best contrast ratios but slowest. The newest technology OLED in theory have the best of everything, they are few of them and very expensive so I can't comments of them.
I sent in my MAG27CQ for a warranty issue and they just sent me an Artymis 273CQR-QD (note- not the "CQRX") monitor as a replacement. The original monitor was LCD and around $250. Did I luck out, or is this even still a bad deal?
I think that it is still difficult for the naked eye to detect the response time of the panel today (maybe only instruments), and MSI has chosen a color performance that is more perceptible to the human eye. It is a correct way. Of course, in terms of speed, it cannot be separated from the evolution of the times. (present :GTG VS past: MPRT)
Except black level smearing is really noticeable. The large difference between the response time of dark colours and the rest, makes the issue pop. If the entire panel is slow, it kind of blends / masks the slowness a bit and yea it's less noticeable. I've even seen videos of VA panels trying to show a starry sky, and in a static image it looked good, but when in motion the stars just completely dissapear. xD
All I want is a 32" 4K HDR600 with a min 120hz and prefered to be a VA panel for better blacks.. Ohhhh. And it needs to be around $1000au Is there anything out there???
I need to know, so msi mpg artymis 343cq, the ultrawide brother, is just 0 for a Gamer? I would love colors and contrast, but you said I would have ghosting and smearing and is slow? So is just a No No in gaming?
I avoid buying anything MSI after being screwed by an AIO which didn't include the advertised 12gen mounting brackets and then them refusing to even send me a bracket after sale.
can you review dell gaming G3223D? and what is the best 1440p 32 inch gaming monitor from your side? i am pointing to gigabyte m32q because the asus pg32q is too expensive. a lot of people saying that m32q is better than lg 32gp850, but i didnt see any reviews about this Dell monitor. i know that Dell is premium. please let me know your oppinion. thx!
Been waiting for about a month to get a mag274qrf-qd. Waiting for a sale. Argh its painful, im using a 1080p 60hz monitor right now with an aldelake cpu ddr5, and an OC'd 3080Ti.
Acer EI272UR Pbmiiipx 27" WQHD 2560 x 1440 2K 144Hz If you want to i would love to see what you say about this VA... i bought it as a replacement for a LCD thats old enough to proudly display LED Technology on its roughly 1" bezel... not expecting a favorable review but it was cheap and looked decent on paper to me... newegg has it on sale for 230 USD often that is what i bought it at nearly a year ago now.. it was in the top 10 monitors on newegg at one point and is now #18 so clearly people are buying it.... might be worth reviewing...
Love how brutally honest this channel is.
lmao. I looked at the thumbnail and title and was like "Damn."
I bought an aoc 24g2 because of HUB. Love it lol
It needs to be for companies to be better. If all they care about is money than yes for the money you will be throwing at them you absolutely have to tell it like it is.
if anyone can remember the Omen X27 - had to look up in my brain - to get the name - and this channel seems to boycott it exactly in important lists
Hub saving me time with the crap caption, greatly appreciated guys, keep up the great work
I'm glad you call these out naming schemes as well 😁
One thing I will always love about your content is how up front and and simple it is, while also being of high quality. The tests you do are great, and if a product is bad, you're not afraid to call a spade a spade
Why does every monitor manufacturer seem to get away with claiming a 1ms response time when almost none of them actually have a 1ms response time?
@@damdibidum But isn't that fraudulent misrepresentation? How come it's legal to knowingly deceive customers?
@@binlo9959 Because companies lie to get more money from more consumers.
@@damdibidum Ah that makes sense, so the monitors may at some point have gotten a 1ms response time in a specific type of test - but that specific type of test represents an unrealistic scenario for end users
Seems to me that regulators need to step in if market forces push manufacturers to behave like this
Some monitors have crazy overdrive modes that are unusable just so they can put that 1ms response time on the box. For this one even that wasn't possible 🤣
No different than 99% of marketing:
Some exceptions apply, in some circumstances, unintended side effects may happen in non-lab conditions, talk to your doctor (which has been paid by us)
I love the savagery at the beginning at MSI naming scheme. I don’t know why companies haven’t realised the importance of correct naming for marketing and consumers sake.
Just yesterday, a friend asked "hey I'm looking for a monitor what would you recommend" and I had to send him links because the names are impossible to memorize.
@@LeFatalpotato Glorious AOC 24G2 master race
They don't want clear naming because they'd likely have a harder time selling their shittier models.
@@Ja-K .... 100%
Thank you so much for your honesty. You've helped me make a decision on my RAM and my monitor for my PC I'm about to build.
Sucks to MSI fail so hard after their Mag274QRF-QD which is a beast.
4:22 "Now we get into the bad stuff" he says after already roasting the monitor and MSI for 4 minutes straight lol
I appreciate the data and honesty.. but as an owner of this monitor for almost 2 years now I can say without certain doubt that the "issues" you describe claiming its un-usable as a gaming monitor are rather exaggerated. I play FPS games at a very high level, over $20k in earnings in the pat 3 years alone, and that's without being a content creator or under contract to an org/team. That being said, performance matters, A LOT to me. I've had no issue with this monitor and honestly it was a HUGE improvement over my last. Whatever ghosting and 'fake' response times you say the monitor has clearly doesn't mean shit because I play just fine on it.
What I'd like to point out though, which is my main talking point here.. is that this monitor only has one (1) single competitor in its class.. that being the G7. These are the only 2 monitors that I can find that are 27 inch 1000R curved with 240hz+ and 1440p+. Now that we only have two options that satisfy those requirements... We take a look at the prices and OH BOY! The G7 is anywhere between $580 and $700 USD. Meanwhile, the Artymis is roughly HALF that price coming in around $270 to $350 USD.
In my eyes, something that is basically the same spare one small quirk, that is HALF THE COST is not something you should be calling 'Crap' and 'not fit to be a gaming monitor'
If anyone is here because they are looking to purchase this monitor.. DO IT. I give my word you'll love it.
I wish Hardware Unboxed would make a comparison of BIOS (UEFI) interfaces of different vendors.
Some of them are so complicated. I have Gigabyte X570 Gaming X. There is nothing gaming about it. The BIOS structure is confusing and many of the entries are repeated in various sections. Gigabyte X570 Engineering X would be an appropriate name.
BIOS UI from MSI and ASUS is so much better.
you should search that specific boards name + bios in yt. also, the manual should have everything.
What would a gaming UEFI even look like
Buildzoid has a 55minute bios walkthrough for gigabyte x570, maybe try googling first instead of asking other youtubers to custom tailor a video for you lol
@@ThunderingRoar I am not saying I don't understand the options. I am saying the BIOS is badly organized and the options are badly named for a gaming motherboard.
@@AntonChekhoff You're asking a gaming review channel to review gaming motherboard bioses/UIs. Seems quite fair to me! While I am not as invested I'd be curious to see it covered well, in one place by a channel I trust. Especially a comparative one with all the brands.
Love you guys. Thanks as always for the honest assessment.
I believe I have this monitor. My issues with it were way too much freaking blue compared to what was advertised, sharpness was good, the stand was good. But this monitor murders color not matter what adjustments are made due to the lighting. It at least was a lowish budget entry at the time.
It's a new monitor ffs. You must have a different, also crappy, msi monitor. Do your research on products before you buy, especially with monitors as most are rubbish.
@@barrycooper8640 I think I have the previous version this is based off of, as the guy said the naming schemes aren't doing them any favors. And I did do research vs budget during a cyber monday, obviously I fell for marketing, shit happens, I got first hand research now I won't touch an MSI monitor again.
@@madjackgamingandfitness498 Not sure that's the best conclusion, because other MSI monitors (MAG274QRF-QD for example) are fine, even excellent.
Every company sometimes makes shit products. Some companies make them more often than others. Best to stick to products that have good, in-depth reviews by a third party imo, at least if it's a big-ticket/expensive purchase.
Especially with a names like 273CQRX-QD, It's highly recommend to carefully check the exact model. While also noting:
* MSRP: one of the cheapest ones?
* The relative age: last years model?
* General specs:
- 27" VA, instead of TN/IPS?
- Quantum Dot layer (QD)?
- Flat or curved (R1000? R1800?)?
- 120/165/240 Hz ?
Examples of the names for 27" LCD-monitors by MSI:
MSI MPG ARTYMIS *273CQRX-QD*
MSI MPG ARTYMIS 273CQR-QD
MSI MPG ARTYMIS 273CQR
MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD
MSI Optix MAG272CQR
MSI Optix MAG271VCR
As far as I know, as an owner of MSI Optix MAG321CQR (got it cheaply back in 2019...), codes are something like this:
MPG more expensive lineup, than MAG
27 panel size is 27"
272 version 2 of the 27" model in question
C Curved panel
Q Quad HD (1440p)
R Some sort of RGB-lighting
X extended refresh rate (165 Hz --> 240 Hz)
-QD Quantum Dot layer (wider colour gamut)
V ?
F ?
This channel is the epitome of professionalism. These gentlemen don't shred bad products with slang and derogatory comments. They use quantitative data with qualitative insights sprinkled in, which helps us less-than-expert-level enthusiasts understand the data they present. Lastly, they explain how and why they come to the conclusions they give us. I trust this channel to give me sound product advice, and you should too.
On one of the first videos I
recently watched, I came from your comment on your intro song. You are really honest!
Thanks for the review! Was expecting this since this monitor is newer and similar to G7 so was wondering if it would be a cheaper alternative.
Love this channel. You do a lot of good work. A piece of advice from one who has seen a great deal of bad happen to good folks on YT that don't deserve to be treated that way: Upon observing two pongids flinging feces at each other the wisest course of action probably isn't to go and stand by either of them as the probability of becoming inundated with fecal matter increases asymptotically as the inverse square of the distance between either of the pongids and yourself. I don't know either of the two pongids involved but seems to me like letting YT take the hit for settling the dispute between them (or the courts) is the safer course of action in this instance. Just trying to look out for one of my favorite UA-camrs!
No 1440p monitor beats the G7. The only thing i'll change to is 240hz QD oled. IPS is bad and IPS HDR is a joke. Yes i do have IPS in SDR and top end HDR. FALD IPS is good in SDR but HDR is bloom, crap blacks city. 4k HDR is limited in response times and nothing close to the G7. 1440p 240hz is the best thing and we just need 27" 1000nit HDR oled in that.
Ouch... Too bad it's performance isn't so hot, esp at that price point. But I do consider the hardware level color calibration a very welcome and extremely useful feature over the KVM - this is a feature I hope more manufacturers take notice of and more monitors will gain it moving forward.
I'm curious about your thoughts on the new Gigabyte M27Q P that recently came out. It's the new version of the M27Q and uses a standard RGB panel instead of the BGR panel that they used with the non P version.
Sadly, it uses lg nano ips panel from dell s2721dgfa
Exact model is LM270WQA-SSA2, checked by serivce menu, so gigabyte in 2022 model impelemnted old lg panel which has problem with eye strain, this company is just so low quality it reaches mule in the ocean
@@gladcomming Really? I was looking to buy one, but the dell s2721dgfa gave me headaches. I was suspecting the nano ips.
@@gladcomming And here I thought they were improving what was a good budget 1440p monitor...
@@freedom_fighter98 yeah, got screenshot of service menu if ur curious, i also had headaches and im so dissapointed waited 3 or 4 months for this monitor
Thanks for such honest explanation.
MSI did it. They finally made a monitor named so horribly that even the legendary Tim had to shorthand it in the review for the sake of his sanity.
Sadly, that's the most "prestigious" thing about this monitor. It's actually pretty impressive how efficiently certain aspects of the monitor (for example, the curve, which is best suited for gaming) negate its few positives (good blacks, great color gamut for a VA, best suited for content consumption when taking into account the horrible dark-level smearing).
All for basically the same price as the much better Odyssey G7? Hard pass on this, chief. Thanks to Tim for all the hard work he puts into these reviews!
it was never meant for content consumption, why would u want a 240hz display to watch movies, its just a g7 2 years latter, for more money (the g7 can be found usually discounted due to its age), and its worse in every important aspect, sure better contrast.. like all the other va, samsung va had a terrible contrast ratio for va, the point is, it was still like x2 of what we had.. and KEPT the fast speed
2 years ago this channel's review was the deciding factor in my purchase of the LG 27GL850. Love it, great panel, no regrets at all.
Thanks for reviewing this. I was looking at this monitor and was wondering... Now I know!!! Maybe an interesting other VA panel to review would be the BenQ EX2710r or EX3210r curved monitor. The 32" one was quite well reviewed by some youtubers.
I bought 2 iiyama G-Master Red Eagle GB2770QSU-B1 4 months ago, for €250 a piece these are great, only the build quality with the original pivot are disappointing, but they are placed on a double monitor stand, which eliminated that issue. Also, the OSD knobs are placed at the bottom of the screen, with the original pivots everything is wobbling when you want to tweak something. But for IPS panel with 165 Hz refresh rate, these are pretty good. I don't use them for gaming, but in a digital music studio with an nVidea RTX Quadro GPU, for music production you also need a monitor with higher refresh rates for metering monitoring. So overall, I'm very glad I bought these without breaking my bank account. I came from an Apple iMac 24" display, but that one is not coming close to the iiyama's.
damn, was hoping for a review on the MAG274QRX. another excellent review nonetheless!
Dude, that bottom bezel design is very common. I am surprised you even mentioned it. I have a 34" UW Lenovo and a 27" 16:9 Viewsonic on my desk right now with the same basic design. Same with many monitors by samsung, LG, BenQ and pretty much any other manufacturer brands.
As a proud owner of 32 g7 im always happy watching your reviews knowing that nothing beats it ;-)
What a useful insight. Good job :)
I swear they just give these ridiculous names so that dumbasses like me go out and by the wrong monitor by one character.
The Gigabyte M27Q P is available! In europe the non-P version hasn't been in stock for few months now. The New version even has a normal RGB design. A review would be awesome! Since its price is at 420€ right now, it is the same as the MSI MAG274QRF-QD. So quite the competiotion...... although the LG 27gp850 only costs 320 here in europe.
I have been using an Odyssey G7 for over half a year now and I have had 0 issues with scanlines. I think that was an issue patched out with newer firmwares.
The odyssey monitors have gotten a bad wrap because their quality control is poor. For example you can't fix dead pixels with firmware updates. They released some updates to fix flickering issues but even that went on for a year at least before they even started getting updates out. You've mostly been lucky with lottery.
Şcanlines were not fixed with latest firmware.
Actually nothing that i know has been fixed with latest firmwares.
Most of all i hate long wake up time from "screen off".
consider yourself lucky
The only channel where I like the intro music.
Motherboard: MSI X650 Extreme WiFi Ultimate
Monitor: 273X7305BHECH
Yeah, not sure why they couldn't come up with something like "MSI Extreme Refresh Gamer 27 2022"
Can we STOP curving displays less than 30"?????
No
Awesome content! I really hope you guys also take a look at the MSI MAG274QRX
Could you test the MAG274QRX? It appears to be similar to the M27Q-X and uses the same panel as far as i am aware.
The previous RF-QD was really good and earned your recommendations, then they totally drop the ball with the next one.
I often wonder if this is by design. "That previous model earned us media buzz, now let's release a 'similar' crap product and ride the money wave."
Gonna play this video while I'm in the other room because even though I don't care about a crappy monitor I want to reward you doing good reviews of bad items warning us of them
Just got the MAG274QRX 240hz. Hoping it does well in your testing when you eventually review it.
Another leftover monitor that will surely arrive to my country, just perfect for our mandatory Christmas Bonus!
How does this monitor's IPS 165Hz brother, the G273QF, compare?
I'm hopeful the new Meg 342C will be a winner. Hope it comes to market soon. Lets hope this is the year of QD Oled and not these wanna be dissapointments.
Thank you for your great review and your time
Exactly why I say don't listen to the 1ms the only true 1ms panel can be an oled due to its per pixel response time. The fact each pixel lights itself is the point. Lcd/led tvs just can't do the same without usually minimizing settings etc.
Tim's humor is borderline savage.
I'm in stitches. 😂
Thanks for the detailed review. Could you review some Philips monitors, for example Philips 329M1RV? I am interested in in (as an alternative to Gigabyte Aorus FI32U), has really good specs and features on paper, but I am bit skeptical.
"I really don't think it's worth spending anymore time talking about this monitor, because I don't think you should buy it."
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Tim is an absolute savage, and I love him for it. Can always know exactly where a product stands. And you know a monitor name is ridiculous when even Tim won't bother saying it more than once or twice.
not gunna lie auto brightness is pretty neat wish more monitors had it but aside from that i love the genuine opinons and analysis of products here great work :)
@hardware unboxed I'm considering MSI Artymis 27/32 or Samsung Odyssey 27/32 Monitor - which is better?
Why isn't there a monitor out there that can beat my XZ271U. It's either lacking USB Ports or it doesn't have a headset holder. It's been 4 years and I want to upgrade damnit!
It feels like Monitors are getting worse.
To me it seems with each passing year they deviate more and more from "manufacturers specs" and become more problematic in terms of DoA Units and general build quality.
MSI watching this video: "Hey Bob... Where's that blacklist again? Oh, and bring a pen with you."
No one has really been talking about this monitor: Samsung 32" Odyssey S32BG750. It drops on June 6 and the specs are crazy .
U're still delivering the best monitor reviews on YT. 👌🏻
I like the yellow-blue leds in the background more then the red-blue
so is about 3 times worse, but showing the same numbers in marketing... that's why this kind of in depth analysis is necessary, thanks
LG OLED C2 42" with the new new panel when :(
I can order it for you, it's widely available here in Europe if that's the problem
I could've closed this video the moment I saw the curve, but I just like Tim's reviews too much so I will keep watching.
Well done. Thank You.
the monitor is listed for 380€ on amazon. Is it worth buying for that price?
Thumbnail alone is very helpful. 10/10 would still bother checking the review to know how bad it is to make such thumbnail.
To be honest panel definitly has potential, BUT it seems firmware is driving overshoot poorly. Take a loot at 5:47. In places where response time is high, there is pretty much no overshoot, meanwhile in red spots of overshoot, there is suddenly very fast response time. Especially part of graph at "From 51 To 26" sudden red spots of high overshoot, but only 2ms of response time. Then we go to similar spot (from 77 to 51) and suddenly overshoot is gone but response time goes up to 12.9. Pretty much entire red area in response time could benefit from way more overshoot setting while dropping a little overshoot in red overshoot areas wouldn't hurt much. The most noticable part is moving from normal to fastest, top left corner is still 50ms+ response time (yuck) but there is literally 0 overshoot.
Why curve a 16:9 monitor? Interest lost, even before learning about the shortcomings.
Wow, this monitor's such a flop!
When shopping for monitor rather than see the "response time" spec, I see the monitor panel technology.
While it's not 100% correct but most of the time it will be true, TN panel is the fastest but old technology, IPS panel fix TN color and angle view problem but slower, and VA panel have the best best contrast ratios but slowest.
The newest technology OLED in theory have the best of everything, they are few of them and very expensive so I can't comments of them.
Haven't seen a brutally negative monitor review from HUB in a while. Niceee
Can you review the MSI MAG274QRX?
I sent in my MAG27CQ for a warranty issue and they just sent me an Artymis 273CQR-QD (note- not the "CQRX") monitor as a replacement. The original monitor was LCD and around $250. Did I luck out, or is this even still a bad deal?
Any review on the gigabyte m27q-p?
we need you Tim. keep on monitoring the monitors :)
Thanks bro, you're definitely the gold standard in monitor reviews. You definitely saved me some money with all the excellent reviews.
I think that it is still difficult for the naked eye to detect the response time of the panel today (maybe only instruments), and MSI has chosen a color performance that is more perceptible to the human eye. It is a correct way.
Of course, in terms of speed, it cannot be separated from the evolution of the times. (present :GTG VS past: MPRT)
Except black level smearing is really noticeable. The large difference between the response time of dark colours and the rest, makes the issue pop.
If the entire panel is slow, it kind of blends / masks the slowness a bit and yea it's less noticeable.
I've even seen videos of VA panels trying to show a starry sky, and in a static image it looked good, but when in motion the stars just completely dissapear. xD
Dark level smearing is really obvious, you'd wish the whole panel was slow at that point.
I am very much looking forward to the day when faster VA + QD will appear on the curved screen together
All I want is a 32" 4K HDR600 with a min 120hz and prefered to be a VA panel for better blacks..
Ohhhh. And it needs to be around $1000au Is there anything out there???
Difference between MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD and MSI Optix MAG274QRF which is non QD. Can you compare both ?
Maybe they'll release a firmware update? I dunno I'm just waiting for a M32UC review at this point.
I wouldn't dream of buying a display for my PC that hasn't been reviewed by Hardware Unboxed nowadays.
I need to know, so msi mpg artymis 343cq, the ultrawide brother, is just 0 for a Gamer? I would love colors and contrast, but you said I would have ghosting and smearing and is slow? So is just a No No in gaming?
Did Tim ever make that video explaining all the monitor specific terms?
Could you review the MSI G273QPF / G273QF ? It's a great budget monitor.
Was the updated firmware as listed on the MSI support page installed?
Damn was really hoping for the MSI Optix Mag274QRX review
MSI names their monitors like a student trying to hit a word count.
Is SRGB and DCI-p3 better than the Samsung G7 27" VA?
I avoid buying anything MSI after being screwed by an AIO which didn't include the advertised 12gen mounting brackets and then them refusing to even send me a bracket after sale.
I have a feeling MSI is going to blacklist hardware unboxed again, doh. Love you guys!
I love how Tim keeps calling out these fucking weird and inscrutable product names. So many model numbers are beyond parody at this point.
can you review dell gaming G3223D?
and what is the best 1440p 32 inch gaming monitor from your side? i am pointing to gigabyte m32q because the asus pg32q is too expensive. a lot of people saying that m32q is better than lg 32gp850, but i didnt see any reviews about this Dell monitor. i know that Dell is premium. please let me know your oppinion. thx!
IS IT VESA COMPATIBILE?
I'm planning to buy a 1080p monitor should I go for the BenQ ex 2510s or LG 24gn650b ty
Been waiting for about a month to get a mag274qrf-qd. Waiting for a sale. Argh its painful, im using a 1080p 60hz monitor right now with an aldelake cpu ddr5, and an OC'd 3080Ti.
Acer EI272UR Pbmiiipx 27" WQHD 2560 x 1440 2K 144Hz
If you want to i would love to see what you say about this VA... i bought it as a replacement for a LCD thats old enough to proudly display LED Technology on its roughly 1" bezel...
not expecting a favorable review but it was cheap and looked decent on paper to me... newegg has it on sale for 230 USD often that is what i bought it at nearly a year ago now.. it was in the top 10 monitors on newegg at one point and is now #18 so clearly people are buying it.... might be worth reviewing...
Please try to review the Gigabyte Aorus FI32Q X is a 270hz 1440p with HDR 600
Tim we need the viewsonic XG321UG mini led 32" 4K 144hz review
Very sad. The other 1440p and 4K monitor of MSI were pretty good.
thank you for calling these garbage displays out. never stop telling the truth.
Tim, we need more clarity. Can't tell where you stand on this one. 😕
Careful Tim, don't get blacklisted!
HOW IS THE MPG ARTYMIS 343CQR?
Can you check out this one? It's 1440p 175hz with rapid ips also 32"
MPG321QRF-QD
will you review the XG2431?
Is there anyway you guys can review the msi optix mag247qrx I haven’t seen any reviews on it