Palmdale to Burbank Final Environmental Impact Report / Environmental Impact Statement
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- On June 27, 2024, the California High-Speed Rail Authority’s Board of Directors approved the Final Environmental Impact Report/Environmental Impact Statement (EIR/EIS) and HSR Build Alternative for the approximately 38-mile Palmdale to Burbank project alignment section. The Board’s actions mean the project will now be cleared from San Francisco all the way to Los Angeles.
For more information visit www.hsr.ca.gov
as someone living in Palmdale who frequently takes the metro link down to LA it sounds like a dream to cut the current hour and a half time down to 17 minutes!!! I know it's years and years away, but hearing that my region could one day have world-class rail infrastructure makes me happy!
Maybe by 2064. That should help your commute then.
@@davidjackson7281 Who commutes by (relatively expensive) HSR?
@@lecho0175 Millions do on Acela.
@@lecho0175ever been to the NEC?
@@davidjackson7281I know you’re trying to be funny and I do agree that it’s going to be a very long time before it gets built, but I’d say 2040 is probably a realistic completion date. It won’t master to most of us though, because we’ll be too old to care at that point.
CONGRATS TO EVEYONE WHO WORKED ON THIS AND MADE IT POSSIBLE !!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
From a European, you guys are gna love this when it’s done trust me.
I'm glad California is finally getting the rail network it deserves!
In probably about 20 yrs from now. May never get done. Who knows.
@@mattrancho Major projects like this always take 20 years. The Interstate Highway System took 20 years, 1957-77.
@@dfirth224 are u serious? Do you realize how enormous the interstate highway is? It covers the entire US mainland, goes through the Rocky Mountains & some of the most intense terrain , & is +48,000 miles. I been following the CHSR since its inception. The price keeps increasing & the dates keep getting pushed back. First operating train will be over 30 yrs, & like I said the date keeps getting pushed back & prices keep doubling & tripling. Please don’t ever compare CHSR with the interstate
@@mattrancho Don't see how that's relevant to my comment. Maybe go post your opinions on your own comment instead.
@@statelyelms my last comment? Obviously wasn’t direct to you smart one.
Get this section financed and built ASAP! This could be a real game-changer for those living in the Antelope Valley or are planning on moving there from L.A. to escape high real estate prices...
I live across the country from CA but am excited to see CHSR develop. No matter the cost, this project is vital to American passenger rail success. Once it's up and running, it'll be a model for the rest of the nation.
This is for sure another step in the right direction. We need to get this done as soon as we can.
Great news!
I live in Fresno. Would be nice to one day ride the high speed rail from here to LA in record time.
This is a huge milestone. Hope to see construction starting on these extra construction areas outside Bakersfield to Merced relatively soon!
@@kerbalengineeringsystems7415 depends on when they get funded. CHSRA’s focus right now, and all the funding they’re currently seeking, is about finishing the Central Valley segment and getting revenue trains running ASAP. Their next priority is reaching SF, to connect with the electrified Caltrain corridor and provide a new, fast link between affordable Central Valley housing and Silicon Valley jobs. Once that’s done, then they’ll turn toward SoCal.
If the CV segment isn’t planned to open until at least 2030, and if no more funding for beyond that happens before then, construction on the SF extension won’t start until the early 2030s. CHSRA projects it’ll take up to six years to build the 13.5 mile tunnel through Pacheco Pass, so if that proves true, and the rest of the San Jose/SF extension is completed by then, the first HSR trains will reach SF by probably 2037 or so. That means, if construction south of Bakersfield doesn’t start before then, HSR trains would reach Palmdale probably early 2040s, and not LA until maybe 2050. That’s only if each segment gets funded one at a time.
If CHSRA were to get a huge infusion of cash, in the tens of billions of dollars needed to complete the project, in the form of a steady funding stream that lasts for the next two decades, meaning construction on both the SF and LA extensions could occur concurrently, then the first HSR trains reaching SF could also reach Palmdale, with the interim Metrolink transfer to/from LA while CHSRA completes its own tracks, which in a perfect world would reach Union Station by 2039 for its centennial, same as the original Transbay Transit Center, to begin SF-LA HSR service by then.
At 00:50 in the video: "some of the most interesting engineering features" - that is a very polite way of saying "really difficult to build" 🙂 But getting this approved is a huge step in towards actually start to sort those diffuicult things out. Great news!
That's why they started construction in the MIDDLE first.
@@dfirth224 they started in the middle for several reasons, chief of which was in order to receive federal ARRA grants that came with the requirement to be spent in the Central Valley in order to boost the local economy and provide jobs there. That initial federal funding also came with a strict deadline, which forced CHSRA to start awarding construction contracts before having all the land to build on, resulting in those early setbacks and delays that are still felt, as is the subsequent criticism.
The Valley also provides the only realistic place trains can reach their top test speeds of 242 mph (10% beyond the top revenue operating speeds), and is an easier segment to build than going through mountains or dense urban areas. Once Valley construction wraps up by 2030, CHSRA's next focus is on reaching SF via Pacheco Pass. Getting across those mountains should give CHSRA ample experience to tackle Tehachapi and the San Gabriels later.
Ideally though, both Pacheco and Tehachapi will be crossed at the same time, so when the first HSR trains reach SF they also reach Palmdale and the Metrolink connection to LA, hopefully by the mid to late 2030s.
Yes 100%😮
199%
Finally! Let’s get these trains rolling!
GO TEAM!!!
*AT LAST!*
But okay, if we wanna complete this asap, y'all need to start the tunneling now
It'll take an eternity to bore through the mountains
But with that being said, I'm rooting for you guys. With enthusiasm from Oregon!
Exact same thing I just thought.
Hopefully Cascadia HSR continues to move forward. That Vancouver-Seattle-Portland (and down to Eugene) corridor would be amazing with high speed rail, and seems perfectly built for it in terms of distance, population, and economy.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc FR DUDE!
The idea of a 200+ mph train in my home of Portland is surreal
(I've heard a proposal of 250 mph, while unlikely, I hope it happens)
This is a major step moving forward to bringing high speed rail to California! #IWillRide
Make it happen!
Downtown to downtown is needed. Keep it that way please
This is awesome, but the route you're showing is not the route that was just approved. The one approved is SR14A, which travels in tunnel just to the south of SR-14. The video is showing the Refined SR14 route, minus the viaduct over SR-14.
Not a big issue, but it should be important to show the correct route.
Good observatlon.
You always know your shit. I love it.
nice to hear!
I always want California High-Speed Rail in California and I always love California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
me2
CAHSR needs to build this immediately!! They should have built this to begin with because this part of the line is going to cost tens of billions of dollars to build. They should have started by building north from Los Angeles and South from San Francisco to get the most expensive parts of the project done. This will also give people a much faster alternative to the Antelope Valley Line and much faster than driving. START BUILDING THIS CAHSR!!!
LET'S GO! Build the high desert corridor connection to Brightline, too. Its my understanding these 2 will be capable of sharing tracks, and CAHSR is building to lease as well.
Yes and yeah of course California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
me2
Once this gets underway I might be tempted to apply to work on this project
Great news. Those renderings look cool. Gotta hand it to CAHSR. Despite all the criticism, they're pushing through.
The final plan is done
Now we work
yeah, cant wait for the grand opening in 50 yrs..
Wow, this is fantastic news and a huge milestone. Thanks.
The Palmdale to Burbank HSR segment might be more valuable as an L.A. county commuter rail route than HSR track. The county should consider building it independently of CHSRA. Buses could connect Palmdale and Bakersfield in less than 2 hours, with the train bypassing city traffic. A 50 mile extension to Tehachapi across the desert would be relatively inexpensive, requiring only two tunnels and few bridges; from there, the bus ride down The 58 to Bakersfield station is only 45 minutes.
Using Caltrain as an example there's no real reason that the infrastructure cannot be used for a commuter rail service as well.
They should have ran it alongside I5 the whole way. It would have only cost 35 billion, it would have been done in 1/2 the time and the train ride from LA to San Francisco would be quicker and more competitive to flying. This is what happens when local politicians can hold up a project that benefits the whole state.
I think, for cost reasons, CHSRA deliberately ignored any study of integrating Metrolink with HSR. However, it would be possible to connect HSR to Metrolink at Metrolink-Sun Valley station, which is San Fernando and Olinda. As currently planned, Metrolink and HSR will not connect at Burbank, although there is talk of an HSR/Metrolink station in Glendale. But clearly, a direction connection from the Antelope Valley line (ex-SP Soledad Canyon line) to HSR at Sun Valley will allow Metrolink to connect the Antelope Valley to Los Angeles, Glendale, Burbank, and Sun Valley in less than half the current time.
@@jamestucker8088 - No. A rail line along the I-5 via the Grapevine would be too slow without major tunneling.
@@pacificostudios l'd upgrade and electrify the entire AV line and simply connect CAHSR from Bakersfield with up to 20 miles of tunnels, etc. direct to Santa Clarita Metrolink midway between LAUS and Palmdale. Project done.
Hey, that's great news! Fingers crossed the TBMs gets digging sooner rather than later!
congrats!!
Its wild how long envoirmental review took, they need to streamline it for passenger rail
Fantastic news! Congratulations! 👏
Now let's build it before the 2028 Olympics. Probably a bit too optimistic, but it is still possible just as Japan did their Shinkansen.
Dream on.
That is very much impossible at this pioint
@@Fidel_cashflono. It would still be possible. Just very unlikely due to funding
@@darthmaul216 even if the fed gov just signed a check and funded the whole thing, I don’t think there’s any way to speed up construction fast enough to get it done in 3 years
@@Fidel_cashfloit’s been done before
AWESOME NEWS 🥳
YES!
LETS GET IT DONE
This is great news! When will this portion start construction?
At this time, there is no money for it. By California law, they must prioritize double-tracked Merced to Bakersfield. If another 13 billion dollars materialized, it could be done.
@@jeffreypierson2064 I see, so probably not for another 5+ years then.
@@jeffreypierson2064 Perhaps done by 2064 (your name). lt's the last segment to be tunneled and shall cost atleast $33 B.
@@davidjackson7281 It all depends on when funding becomes available. The SR14A Build Alternative that was just approved has a price tag of $22.55 billion, but the longer it takes for funding to arrive, the bigger hit that figure is going to take from inflation.
@@brandonk9706 Yes inflation by delay will increase the cost. $22 B is a low ball guesstimate before actual pre-construction engineering work is done. $22 B is about the same guess for the two other tunnel segments which still need $100 M each in funding just for such engineering. ElRs don't provide accurate costs at all. l would atleast someday hope to take a 55 minute non-stop ride on the 171 mile valley segment at 220 mph.
FINALLY! CONGRATS
Nothing burger.
This project I am interested
This is such a big deal! Love to see it!
👏👏👏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Only 20yrs late but hey progress finally.
ALL major projects like this take 20 years. Interstate Highway System took 20 years to build, 1957-77.
@dfirth224 yeah the whole thing across dozens of states was completedin 20yrs. This has even broke ground yet. At the original spot through the grape vine. This was the frist spot they started the investigation on how to make the route and they just now finished the report to begin to start to clear a path. They couldnt even at the least get the simple easy part done in the central valley. They couldn't even get that 10yr project partially completed in 20yrs.
@@wiseguy2469and highways are never truly finished because of how much you have to widen them every few years. Whereas trains don’t have that problem
@@wiseguy2469and yeah people like you filed frivolous lawsuits to slow down construction
How many stops between Palmdale to Burbank?
zero
about time, it only took what like 12 years?
Now - HOW much will it cost to build those long tunnels??
$40 B by 2064.
Any discussion how this will cross the San Andreas fault?
The planned route does not cross the fault. Regardless tunnels are safe. Under mountains are like under oceans for movement. Damage happens on top of the land. Think about it. Great example of this is Japan. Perfectly safe.
@@davidjackson7281 Where does the San Andreas fault run? Is it north of Palmdale. Once upon a time, I lived in San Bernardino, actually, Highland and the home I rented was directly on top of the San Andreas fault zone. In a worse case scenario, it would shift about 35 feet. IF a tunnel or track runs over the fault would there not be an offset? Just asking - not arguing your point.
@@kennixox262 lt starts around San Bernadino and goes northwest towards Pt. Reyes Station and out into the Pacific Ocean. lt avoids the Central Valley though there are faults there too. There are faults all over California. There are 21st Century construction standards to survive earthquakes.The shifting on top does not have the same effect below the surface. Potential damage from an earthquake is a fear-mongering red herring. Just saying ... though no expert.
Why does this section curve so much?
San Gabriel Mountains.
@@davidjackson7281 I thought that part is all tunnels already though
@@aaronb9696 Are you referring to the route of the Antelope Valley Metrolink line?
three times faster... must be the red comet railway
60 x 3 Is 180
So much negativity in these comments lol. It will be incredible, don't worry
lf alive optomistically in forty years.
The Supreme Court recently ruled 6-3 that you can still call it twitter!
What?
@@darthmaul216 They're calling it X here. But they don't have to. In ACB's decision in _Murthy v. Missouri_ she explicitly says you can still call it by its old name.
The SC has ruled. It's decided.
Don't show this to the GOP! They will cancel it! Rich people don't need or ride commuter trains...Duh.
The rich people these days are in tech and they vote democrat. Try to keep your bitterness plausible.
@@daleviker5884do you have a source for that? Or any empirical data?
@@darthmaul216 the bourgeoisie is in both parties
Sorry but it'll be the second after Brightline West. Y'all took too long
3rd. North east corridor
Brightline West that's been "under development" since 3 years before CAHSR and still hasn't completed any structures or miles of ROW?
@@Zero76606 Wrong. CAHSR has been under heavy construction for a whole decade. Brightline West just started. Xpress West doesn't count, it was a different authority that was bought by Fortress Group
@@darthmaul216 NEC doesn't count either. The infrastructure is strained with limited speeds on significant parts of the RoW, making it "higher speed" but not true high speed
@@sgtdebonesnyc to Baltimore is high speed. So it does count
**TOTAL COST OF THIS CAHSR PROJECT WILL BALLOON TO $5 TRILLION AND EVEN THIS ESTIMATE IS LOW!!**
Still a bargain when compared to highways
yet you support governments adding more lanes to highways, which does nothing but waste money?
Ok,,, so you are “inviting” Palmdale people into Burbank?? That’s a good move huh?
Yes it is
It’s so fast why do you need two rails one one tunnel for now save the money to GET DONE
?
It will cost even more if you do that. Building two rails is best because it allows for faster speeds and more frequency. You don't want to value engineer this project to death like BLW is doing from Vegas to RC. Their average speed will be 100 mph. That's a horrible average speed for a train capable of 200 mph. It's a result of probably no serious infrastructure to deal with the Cajon Pass which will slowdown the train tremendously and single tracking about 80% of the route. You get what you pay for.
Buy once cry once. Do it right the first time.
@@mrxman581 The BLW route is only 218 miles. A two hour ride is very good. BLW shall get it done expediously years before the shorter CAHSR valley segment. An average speed faster than that is not really necessary. Whereas CAHSR's approach shall take forever and ever.
@@davidjackson7281what?
trump would cut funding for all of this
Not if it wasn't wasted.
I'm sure that's what the CA administration is hoping. The last thing they want is for this white elephant to bankrupt the state. If Trump doesn't fund it, they can avoid the embarrassment and give their voter base someone to blame - a win win.
@@daleviker5884highways are the white elephants bud
This does not make sense! Why would anybody living in Palmdale want to go into that crowded, choking, festering city of Los Angeles? Don't do it! Just go the other way and be glad you can escape!!!
"Why would anybody living in Palmdale want to go into that crowded, choking, festering city of Los Angeles?"
Work. Not to mention people could go from LA to Palmdale
And CAHSR will be there for them to go the other way bud
30 miles of tunnels? It'll be 30 years before any of this completes. I'll be a grandfather by the time California gets anywhere close to completing this waste of taxpayer dollars.
The waste of taxpayer dollars is highway construction
@@darthmaul216this☝️
NOWHERE TO NOWHERE at a cost of BILLIONS OVERBUDGET DECADES BEHIND SCHEDULE. Why bother? Doesnt Amtrak San Joaquins run through here and isn't it enough for people who live in the middle of nowhere? CalHSR should have been San Diego to Los Angeles to San Francisco without going through the Central Valley which adds more to the cost and is useless since its all farms.
The central valley is the easiest route to build HSR between SF and LA. 101 would be the other option but the terrain is more challenging and it doesn't serve as many people. The route they chose is fine.
That’s I-69. Yet you have no problem with that project
Never gonna get built
This aged poorly
It's being built.