How California Finally Plans To Finish The High Speed Rail Project
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2023
- America is upgrading its transport infrastructure with a massive mega project in California. The California high speed rail will be the largest in America, hosting numerous bullet trains from San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego. California's high speed rail is shrouded in controversy with budget cuts and funding issue, today we explore all:
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I can't wait to ride this train! Driving from SF to LA is horrible and flying there takes just as long as driving there. Once you leave the US you realize how car dependent we are in this country. Having traveled to other countries and utilized their transit systems you realize we're way behind when it comes to ease of transportation.
It's horable for 2 reasons, only two lanes each way mid CA, who ever designed the highway is a fkn idiot, how could they not anticipate a populas explosion!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 2nd 65mph speed limit, when most major cities go 85 normally, that's the flow of traffic, we have congestion bc theres not enough lanes, the government don't want ppl on the roads that's a given, bottlenecks happen when one or two drivers dramatically slow down bc they don't have enough experience to remain w the flow of 80-85mph, slow drivers don't stay in the number one lane anymore
Would you feel the same about it if taking the train was more expensive than both flying or driving?
It was supposed to be finished in 2020.
No rail has been laid.
As a native Californian I have no faith in this project. State government is corrupt and incompetent
You don’t have to leave the US, just try to get around Marin or Massachusetts without a car
Living in a Tulare County and traveling to Fresno often, we get to see huge construction progress everyday.
Cool!
I saw construction in Fresno. Was told it's a high speed train system. Looks like about 10 years work , shit tons of ot and Saturdays .
@@johndallessandro7640 Another reason the California High Speed Rail is so far over budget. Give the project to a private company like Bright Line and let's see how they can whip it and it's budget into shape.
I can't wait to be able to go from SF to LA in under 3 hours. No TSA, no ubering to and from the airport, no cramped seating, no baggage limits, and being internet connected the whole time!
What makes you think there's any escape from TSA for you?
With slow speeds at both ends, a dozen station stops and 55 miles of difficult tunnel work, it will take another $100 B and four more decades to complete for a 4:30 trip.
*GROW UP.*
@@archstanton5973Say what?
I'm gonna say NFW, no fukken way this project can get completed in any reasonable time or done anywhere near protected costs. There are so many red flags about this boondoggle project it looks like a Communist China rally. NO MORE federal money for this crap!!
As a Spanish person, it is very difficult for me to understand why there are no high-speed lines in different areas of the USA. I think the problem is that in the USA the Administration does not assume that the benefit of building infrastructure should not only be measured by economic benefits, there are social, ecological and even territorial cohesion benefits.
I think a lot of it is the power of the dollar. Aka: big companies lobbying to kill the project because they make money off of people driving cars instead. Its very frustrating, I would absolutely love HSR. I know its unrealistic for probably the next 20 years, but I'd also love Hyperloop. There are tons of issues with that particular idea, but its possible to build and we could do it if we really wanted to.
It’s mostly the acquisition of land from private land holders and as they said the topography.
@@naominorwick5439Spain is the second most mountainous country in Europe, the orography does not help us either. Spain is not a socialist country, but the right to property is limited by the common good, so the State has a legal tool, forced expropriation, through which they can dispose of your lands, by paying a fair price determined by the courts, in case they are necessary to build infrastructure of general interest, it is a summary procedure, first they expropriate you and then they pay you...
It's because in the United States the fossil fuel industry has immense political power and great sway in the media, leading to many Americans regarding mass transit as "socialism". Having seen how effective HSR is in Europe (yes, even RENFE) and Japan, it's mind boggling that so many Americans actively don't want it.
@@DKonigsbachYou are right, perhaps the biggest problem that the United States and also Europe and other developed areas have, is that large companies and large fortresses have so much power that they are capable of bending the States, unfortunately everything seems to indicate that we are going to a new feudal era, where instead of counts and dukes, the large corporations would hold power and the central power would be a mere spectator. It is a disgrace but our children will have to live in a more unequal and unsupportive world, where rights that we now have will be lost and the funny thing is that they will say that they are lost in the name of freedom,
We need to massively plant native trees all over California right alongside the train!
Second that
native trees yes! i would love to see the palm trees disappear from san francisco, not native whatsoever
And ruin the view for passengers for a thin strip off foliage that will have SFA impact.
About every 30 miles will be a solar power station (with battery), which also connects to state power grid. So, not much room for trees!
@@laeihbvaljefhbvalejfhbv As a New Jersey born and resident, native species of plants exist in states like California, Hawaii, South Carolina, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, and Arizona so palm trees in California aren’t uncommon. No native palm trees can grow in New Jersey, not even Cape May county can grow native palm trees. Despite Cape May county being technically slightly warmer than D.C, places like Ocean City NJ gets more average annual snowfall than D.C does. The vegetation in my state is more so spruce trees, pine trees like the pine barrens area, maple trees, oak trees, and birch trees native speaking. New Jersey, and New York state are also more snowier on average and have colder coastlines than state coastlines of that like Oregon, Washington state, and Southeast Alaska. New Jersey vegetation is more so closer to that of New England than the vegetation of the Southeast U.S states.
The primary advantage of the Central Valley lies in its strategic location. With the implementation of this train project, individuals would have the convenience of commuting to San Francisco or Los Angeles for lunch or dinner, and still make it back home in time for work. This would provide the opportunity for individuals to work in high-priced housing markets like LA or SF, while residing in more affordable areas such as Fresno or Tulare, where homes are available at half the cost.
So California taxpayers should subsidize your commutes so you can have lunch or business meetings 200 miles from your home? Seriously, I'm fine with paying taxes to build public transportation, but only if the state can build things for within 10% of what they promised when they put the measure on the ballot. Now it's 5X the original cost with a system that's 60% of the promised size. The California High Speed Rail is a bloated bureaucratic mess that our grand children will be paying for for the rest of their lives. Really, how many rides will the average Californian actually take on this thing? Note that at this rate, 2/3rds of the state's population will never ride it since it's not serving San Francisco or Los Angeles for at least 40 years. Compare that to the huge cost dumped on taxpayers.
Keep dreaming, without good public transportation, it's not going to work.
Oh, the purpose of HSR is for everyone to go to every city for work, lunch, n dinner.
Oh, you can definitely get cheaper house in Fresno.
How do you get around in LA?
Don't bring you need cars rail system.
Your affordable house only work if every city has state of art public transportation. So far, only SF meets this condition.
Think about the money waste on HSR can be used to improve public transportation.
@@commentorsilensor3734 While it's true that seamless public transportation is crucial for the success of initiatives like the High-Speed Rail (HSR), it's also important to recognize the transformative potential of such projects. The HSR isn't solely about lunch dates in different cities; it's about fostering economic growth, reducing congestion, and providing viable alternatives to long commutes. While LA might not have the same level of public transit infrastructure as SF, investing in projects like the HSR can incentivize improvements across the board. Additionally, the affordability of housing in areas like Fresno presents a tangible benefit, and the HSR could be the catalyst for further development in these regions. Ultimately, rather than viewing the HSR as a standalone solution, it should be seen as part of a larger strategy to enhance transportation options for all Californians.
Oh, and I like your username 🙂↕️😏
Acela is a near-HSR system already in operation. Brightline just completed another leg of its near-HSR system in Florida. Brightline is also expected to start building HSR from LA to Las Vegas this year. Meanwhile, Texas whose politicians once promised HSR from Dallas to Houston have reneged. Oil money and opposition from Southwest Airlines has proven too powerful. Indeed, a lot of the slow progress on HSR is due to opposition by Big Oil.
Disappointed with Brightline's speed.
@@davidjackson7281 Uses old existing track like Acela does which limits its speed. Brightline's Vegas to LA route will use HSR dedicated track with a speed of 190 mph. California trains will go 200+.
@@shouldersofgiantsinvestor5302BL spent $6 B to replace and upgrade to 110 mph trac and for new 125 mph trac. Not old trac.Appears BL is not exceeding 90 mph much on the 110 mph track from West Palm to Cocoa. Also, two draw bridge chock points and commuter/school cross traffic on 300+ at grade crossings. With improvements Brightline can reduce the full trip from 3:33 to three hours. Saw one trip was 20 minutes late. Based on projections vs. real world would imagine Brightline West will be closer to a 2:30 trip, not two hours. Will be difficult for CAHSR to go 200+ mph much when the station stops average 43 miles apart.
Texas Central's project is stalled, and probably dead, for one reason alone....IT CAN'T RAISE THE REQUIRED CAPITAL. The same thing is true of the Texas TGV project in 1992, which I helped to oversee as a staff person at the Texas Railroad Commission. And the same thing is true of the CAHSR project in 2023. Time will tell if Brightline Florida is a financial success. I hope it is. I'll believe Brightline West is going to happen when they begin the very difficult task of building track in the median of I-15, which is a really bad idea.. Their project is flawed because it only goes from Las Vegas to Rancho Cucamonga. The inability to get to Union Station drastically reduces the project's potential ridership because too few people will drive to RC or take Metrolink. Moreover, they probably won't commence the project unless they can secure federal financial assistance. If the CAHSR Authority would modify their development plan to use a route over Altamont Pass in the north and Tejon Pass in the south, their project would be less costly, and therefore more economically feasible. If that were to happen, it would probably ensure the completion of the project, and make it a shining example of HSR's future potential in the United States.
@@davidjackson7281 Please see my response to you'll's dialogue herein, which I just posted in the preceding lengthy reply to the other commenter. Good exchange, David. KEEP IT UP.
Definitely the biggest game changer will be passenger train service through the Tehachapi mountains. Its been over 50 years since passenger trains have gone through (not counting coast starlight detours).
This is going to be great once operational I hope they finish well before 2030 no one is going to remember the price tag or all the bikering they will remember the convenience jobs and pride of having a real high speed train in the US. It will spur growth and other states are going to want one.
People will remember the high price tag when they see low number of riders composed of train hobbyists.
Unlike Japan, Europe HSR, CAHSR does not help general population because below F public transportation.
It has been my lifelong dream to go from Merced to Bakersfield, only 7 more years to go!
I'm 76. I've been waiting for this since I was in my 30's. I am not betting money that I will live to see it. Like you said in the video, "If Americans want to build something big, fast, they can. The Empire State Buildiing was built in about a year, during the Depression. IMO, it is a literal crime(s) that it has not come online yet. What value do we have for that $70+ Billion to-date?
There has NOT been $70 invested it it!! More like 1/4 of that has been spent spent. By end of 2025 the entire Phase 1 will be environmentally cleared, all land for Initial Operating Segment obtained, almost all structures and ROW construction done by end of 2028 (as well as all utilities moved), 6 trainsets under construction, most of track and systems work done on IOP (as well as Caltrain electrified), 5 stations under construction, and prelim planning on Merced to San Jose done. About $35 billion expended will get the IOP (171 miles) operational by 2031.
Waste of taxpayers money. @@RobertBenson-ce3xc
Not to mention Indonesia just completed their high speed rail 😲America has even fallen behind Indonesia.😂
even Laos as well, connecting China.
@@Kimyeong20LCR top speed 99 mph. 47% through tunnels. Excellent system regardless. Only a few trains each day.
The 88 mile route is the world's shortest HSR system but atleast it's a start.
@@davidjackson7281 Actually, the shortest HSR Line in the world is actually the Nishi-Kyushu Shinkansen with only 66 Km in length. Hopefully our WHOOSH HSR Line will be extended to Surabaya.
@@asantaralinerThank you.
Good objective short history of the CAHSR project.
Arguably the most important public infrastructure project for not only California, but the US in decades.
Lol... why?
Important because it could bankrupt California, or important because it could help bring our country to its knees?
@@Mister8224then America is pathetic because we can't accomplish engineering that countries with 5 times less GDP could.
@@OBSMProductionsCitizens rights are considered when a project like this is attempted. China would just plow right over any rights, good or bad.
@@OBSMProductions "Engineering" isn't the problem. Major problems have been property rights & lawsuits, the most rigorous environmental clearance procedures in the country, and inadequate funding.
To get around the money issue they should do what old railroads did. Develop land along the route and build towns. Developing the land around the stations with high density mixed use space could generate revenue, cement thier own future ticket sales and could also help aleviate California's housing crisis
super smart
Not possible. CAHSR has to buy its land from existing owners at FMV (often using eminent domain laws); the early transcon trains had land given to them by Federal Govt for FREE!
If public transit and HSR get much funding as roads and highways, it will get done before 2030. But that's not the case, right now.
California has high housing costs, which would be alleviated by fixing the regional job-housing imbalances, whereby the inland counties have a relative shortage of high-paying jobs and the coastal have a relative shortage of affordable housing.
High-speed rail directs economic growth into the inland counties of California.
This is true, but redirecting will not solve the problem.Getting rid of CEQA and Nimby will solve the affordable housing problems.
Tell me how people how people get to work once they reach train stations.
People cannot even take metrolink to work at Irvine. Many people have to get second car. Oh, I forgot train supporters sleep with auto industry
If you think its such a good idea - raise all the needed money in the private markets. Good luck with that.
Merced to Bakersfield should be good for about 100 riders per day
The current metro area population of Bakersfield in 2023 is 730,000, a 1.67% increase from 2022. The current metro area population of Fresno in 2023 is 795,000, a 1.15% increase from 2022. The city of Merced has a 2023 population of 95,167. It is also the county seat of Merced County. Merced is currently growing at a rate of 3.23% annually and its population has increased by 10% since the most recent census, which recorded a population of 86,515 in 2020. Merced will be the cross platform transfer point to the San Joaquin trains and the ACE trains.
@@danielcarroll3358Forget Merced and Gilroy. Should go up to Modesto with five times the population.
@@davidjackson7281 Patience. That is part of phase 2.
@@danielcarroll3358BeIng so close to Merced and five times larger I don't think Modesto should have to wait for Palmdale let alone LA or even Gilroy for that matter, actually.
@@danielcarroll3358 it’s questionable, how many riders will actually utilise the system despite your. What is the total population of the Bay Area when factoring in cities that have a Bart station. What is the ridership percentage writer/population?
Correct me if I'm wrong, Indonesia has already launch this kind high-speed railway, not only the first in Southeast Asia, but also the world's first among other southern hemisphere countries, named Whoosh!
they are building the second phase. before US gets its first HSR, maybe indonesian HSR has linked jakarta-bali.
You do know most Indonesian cannot even afford slow train let along HSR. Also Jakarta has better public transportation. It's not safe, but it helps more poor people
3:00 - the picture of BART is confusing/misleading. BART is an entirely separate system, with its own bespoke gauge and a 3rd rail. HSR will be using the newly electrified and upgraded Caltrain tracks from San Jose to San Francisco.
In México we just oppened the Maya Train and believe me, it has been a huge step foward for movility in the Yucatan peninsule for locals and tourist alike, specially if you are visiting Cancún. Greetings from south of the border!! ✌🤠🇲🇽
Many Mexican told me you don't need cars to get around.
Without good public transportation, CAHSR is dead before arrival
What does the coast route early in the video have to do with HSR?
Would have been a good idea except that, for political reasons, they are building it from the middle towards the ends. That means that the first completed segment will go from nowhere to nowhere. Almost no one will use it until the construction reaches at least two major cities (i.e., years from now). They should have started it from one of the major cities being connected and built it toward another major city. Leave it to politicians to screw up a good idea.
A lot of people probably are too young to remember, but back in the 80"s there actually was a train from LA to LAS VEGAS I think it was AmTrak .... used to take it all the time. When they started talking about the new HSR having that route, I had to wonder ... if there were already tracks etc. on that route, even if they had to tear them all out and replace with HSR tracks..wouldn't that be less time and money than this insane cost and over a freakin decade to even "start" getting this project underway...I'm not holding my breath for 2030 Grand Opening!! I'm old, still, it would be fantastic to ride that route one more time...☺
10+ mile tunnel... across an active fault line. Yeah. Thats a great plan
Japan, like California, is heavily prone to earthquakes. That doesn't stop them from tunneling the Shinkansen under the ocean to connect Honshu and Hokkaido
I think we (USA) should choose a couple of corridors and launch the beginning of some world-class travel corridors. First, make sure this key California link not only gets completed but also has transport options to key city areas once someone gets off of this fantastic train ride option. Meanwhile, choose one in the center of our nation. A San Antonio/Dallas/Oklahoma City/Kansas City/Chicago. In this one, spearhead the creation of 80% car-free neighborhoods that grow into medium size cities without any need for car transport with the ability to get from Chicago to Texas in hours via high speed. Let's do this.
Besides SF, public transportation is terrible. No one is going to improve that. 80% carfree . I have better chances winning lottery 10 times. Most HSR supporters don't even like public transportation.
Oklahoma city, you are kidding, even downtown area, take public transportation is nightmare. Same thing to other Red state.
New England corridor that qualifies to build HSR. Even that area is not the best. Because besides NY , most people drive. Still that's the best.
More population density.
Metro area are much closer.
Oh, the most important part, the best public transportation systems are all in that area
@@commentorsilensor3734 Good points. Most of what I had written was truly "pie in the sky" mixed with hopes that HSR has/had viability throughout the USA. Red vs Blue would have to be on the same page for that to work and both can agree that will probably not happen. If HSR is simply not viable in America, then maybe the focus should be on a few (3-5, let's say) cities that are targeted for 100% effort towards local transportation/metro/train/bus/walk/bike with elimination and discouragement of auto transport? By only focusing on 3-5, it will allow a 100% focus with time/money and then use the results to determine if other cities should follow suit.
It would be painful and have a lot of resistance, but imagine if a city like Austin or Atlanta would spend the next 10-20 years converting towards a reduction of 70-80% fewer autos driving through the core. If I remember right, there are some crazy stats that something like 80% of car use is going to run a local errand like shopping or something, so maybe the focus should be on the reduction of small-trip car usage? Who knows, but regardless of whether it happens or not, I enjoy reading up on this, and I have to admit I love suburban car-bound American life WHILE also really enjoying my 3 month Europe trips that allow me to not have to use a car at all and to wake up in Madrid and stroll out of the apartment to the local coffee shop and grocery store and restaurant(s).
Why not get a northern section like SF to Gilroy, and southern section like LA to San Diego, operational first? Now there's a bit of revenue, and all additional track will incrementally improve operation. There won't be revenue for years still with the current project. Or - am I missing something?
Idk why they didn't do LA to SD first. The Surfliner is unreliable but is the second most traveled rail corridor in US (The NEC is number 1) so it would've been smarter to do that
Hell. I was convinced it was a works program. Never to be finished.
It is. It will run out of money. Every year it falls behind, the cost goes up.
I wish I was living in California to see this thing built. The transcontinental railroad did not happen overnight. There was bickering in congress but in the end the building began. In Europe the European rail network was in ruin but the rail network. If you ever driven in the cities of America the traffic is congested. It will be costly but the project will provide jobs and jobs mean new revenue.
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Every proponent of high speed rail assumes that the high speed rail will be faster and cheaper than driving or flying. This is not necessarily true. California would have been far wiser to demonstrate a successful HSR project to either Las Vegas, Phoenix, or even Sacramento-San Francisco. Those routes would have had far less political objection, less costly, and far more likely to be successful. Instead, California politicians are just big children who want what they want when they want it without any regard to what it costs.
If 99% of the people taking the train are going from LA to Sanfrancisco then it doesn't make sense to run the train along the east side of the valley and have all the stops at every little town there. That is one reason the cost has skyrocketed. If it followed the 5 freeway on the west side it would have been much cheaper to build. There is not much out there and they can lay track on open ground. Also since the trip will take longer it makes it more tempting for people to fly or drive. The decision to go up the east side was strictly political and makes no economic sense.
the i5 freeway doesn't allow for much expansion in width, plus many of the cities in the valley have a population of more than half a million people, so it would make sense to connect those corridors instead of just having 1 connection between SF and LA while completely ignoring the cities of the valley. It would also allow more people to travel to and from SF or LA back to the valley. Although building in between the i5 median makes economic sense in the short term with no haggling with the people who own land in the valley, this would be a long-term system that needs at least some service to the massive valley population (6 million).
This has all been argued before. The citizens voted to tie all the major population centers together, and this route does that. It would be a little shorter on the west side, but require much more massive tunneling re Tejon Pass. So, wouldn't save much, and would lose traffic to CV cities. This is a reasonable compromise. Also, this is a fair competition to flying (with all its passenger complications of TSA and airport to/fro).
I've rode the Amtrak for years and its great to go from Bakersfield to Fresno its cheap and takes a little bit longer but its comfortable. The major problem is the trains dead end in Bakersfield and you have to get on an Amtrak bus and that's 4+ hours into LA from Bakersfield which is just ridiculous but it only costs $14 so its affordable. The major problem i see with Bakersfield is there is absolutely no public transportation system set up for this high speed rail to connect to. So your going to get off in Bakersfield and that means your stuck trying to ride a GET bus system that starts at 7 am runs every 30 minutes stops at 7pm and doesn't go to half the city. Its pathetic city planning. You have to have a car to get around its not possible to live with out one here. So Bakersfield needs to do some serious public transportation hopefully some light rail better bus routes and an all around better system.
I drive Amtrak trains through the San Joaquin Valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield, and have been watching the project take shape since its beginning. I believe that the 2030 date of having a section of service up and running is wishful thinking at best. At the rate building the infrastructure has been going, it will most likely be 2050 before California has a small portion of high speed rail up and running. The construction has already been in the works for a long time, and they have barely just broken ground on it. With that said, I do hope I’m wrong because I would definitely like to drive the high speed trains, and would leave Amtrak at the drop of a hat for the opportunity to do so!
The Senate republicans haven't found a way to make $$$ out of it, or it would have been done in a couple of years. 😅
Running to Bakersfield is a waste of time and money.
It would be reasonable to make this road from Seattle to San Diego
Phase 2 of CAHSR is supposed to go to San Diego but that isn't going to be built until well after SF-LA section is completed
You lost me at $70B over budget and constantly stalled.🤔
The map at 3:30 is outdated
CAHSR's route from LA to SF is 440 miles, going via Palmdale, Bakersfield, Fresno and San Jose. To make the 2 hour 39 minute nonstop travel time, trains will have to average 166 mph (267 kph), which by comparison the fastest Shanghai-Beijing HSR service averages 181.4 mph. On shared tracks in the Bay Area and Greater Los Angeles, HSR trains will have a max allowable speed of 110 mph.
As long as it's close to 3 hours it will be a huge success. Legally, they won't have to match that time. It was explained in a court hearing that the time was included late in the process to prevent the possibility of dumbing down the project so that it wouldn't be a HSR project in order to reduce overall cost at the expense of speed and efficiency. So if it takes 3 hours it would still honor the spirit of the original run time and would still run at HSR speeds.
@@mrxman581 only nonstop trains would need to make that time, and CAHSR’s proposed operating scenario calls for six nonstop trains in each direction per day, 3 morning 3 evening during peak hours.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc Very interesting, and that makes a lot of sense. It's so dumb on my part for not even contemplating that option. Duh! Thanks for teaching me something today.🙂
@@mrxman581 well, I don’t think that’s something CAHSR has officially stated, that only nonstops have to make that promised travel time, but they are designing and building the system so they can, so it makes sense.
It’s amazing how some if not many cynics it seems believe trains will be stopping at every station, when every HSR system in the world has bypass tracks at stations and different types of services from local to express.
That’ll be the same in California’s case, but only several per day will be nonstop all the way. All others will be stopping at at least two stations between SF and LA. CAHSR’s 2020 Business Plan included a supporting document titled Service Planning Methodology that showed proposed stoppage patterns for Phase 1, with trains about every 10 minutes on average.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc Still, it makes a lot of sense and would make the entire route even more appealing to a larger group of passengers. I could see the non-stop trips be extremely attractive to people who fly between LA and SF for work.
Sheldon’s gonna love this
As a french, I recomande the new TGV M, double decker train with a speed of 220mph and the train has a short size with 740 passengers seat
Frist they need to build a separate elettric (standard voltage alimentation) higt speed line than they will choose the train
Budget needed to end the Proyect Approved! 👏👏👏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
3:25 Where is this map even coming from? This is not the route of the HSR, the only rail that slightly resembles this alignment is the Pacific Surfliner, but that doesn’t even run continuously between SF and LA
I still dont undestand why USA still dont have HSR since geographically its a safe nation from ring of fire, they also have alot of money and the biggest economy in the world yet dont have good public transportation
I live in Bakersfield and I have been waiting for this project to be finished as soon as possible I would love to be able to go to San Francisco for dinner
Eight meter wide triple level maglev trains traveling 800 kph - 1,000 kph are a reasonable development to start to take place by 2045. The issue with HSR is that it is rail that first made 300 kph way back in the late 1970s and is not maglev with new first generation 500 kph maglev trains in Japan scheduled to start in 2027. They need almost incrementally free electricity.
The loading gauge of trains has always been wanting to be over double that of standard gauge trains. 1840 UK double track railroads were designed to occasionally have double width wagons use the inner rails of the two tracks. An 8 meter width would allow most cars to be loaded perpendicular on the first level or shaped cargo containers. Maglev motors are likely a bit noisy making the first level less desirable for people. The second and third levels could be continues luxury passenger space with vista domes in some location on the top level for seeing the country out the front and backward. More than double the current passenger car width with continues high ceiling double level passenger space these double width trains could carry four times the number of people more comfortably in the same linear space as current single level standard gauge trains allowing passenger trains to not stretch out for many city blocks.
For pure cargo this 8 meter loading width gauge would allow moving large cargo over land easily to some near destination where it might need to be moved over roads at night to make use of double lane widths. The large cargo size made viable by an 8 meter or more loading gauge would create a different world than we know today. The main reason for not having double the loading gauge of todays trains is the rail wheel interface is at it practical limit. Indian wide gauge 5' 6" is what would be chosen if wanting to choose a practical relatively well known practiced rail gauge today, but maglevs can be designed to have distributed loading across its width so they are not restrained the way the current rail wheel interface restrains current trains..
SF to SJ in just 30 mins, no traffic sounds like a dream
CAHSR should've built LA to San Diego first to replace the unreliable, slow, and falling into the ocean Surfline route that currently serves it. It would've given more funding for CAHSR central valley and SF routes as the Surfline is the second most used passenger rail corridor in the US (the NEC is number 1) so there would be demand for a faster and more relaible connection between LA and SD
I really hope that at least part of this line can be completed ASAP.
Goodyear bought up all the City transit systems in America in the 1950's, because they saw it as competition to the tire industry.
I live in San Francisco..our new "Salesforce Transit Center" whas already been designed and built for high speed rail...the floor created for it sits empty. not only has the tunnel which will cross SF to get to the Transit Center not even begun, but the exact route has not yet even been decided.!.. 2030??!!! I don't think so......!
I can’t wait for it to happen. I think most naysayers will come around when they see how great it is
Would Amtrak have to keep the San Joaquin trains after CA HSR becomes operational?
As I understand, it they would start in Merced with cross platform transfers and follow their existing routes to Sacramento and the Bay Area. The locations losing service, such as Corcoran, will be served by buses to the nearest HSR stops. That will actually be faster than the present situation and provide service to more people at intermediate bus stops too.
@@danielcarroll3358 they would have to keep the Oakland-to-Stockton section after the entire project has been completed so that passengers from the inner Bay Area can can continue to go to Stockton
@@coleallen3895 Very possible. There are other lines that are planned to be added in the Bay Area. For example connecting SMART to the Capitol Corridor.
@@danielcarroll3358 I wish funding would be allocated to build a new tunnel under the bay so that Amtrak trains could go directly to Downtown San Francisco and serve the Transbay Transit Center - it could happen in the 2030s or 40s, because by that point, all the trains would be zero-emission and the ALC-42s could be converted to battery power by then
@@coleallen3895 That is in the long term plans. Actually four tracks are planned, either on one route or separate routes for BART and standard gauge. But this is definitely down the road a piece. The tunnel from the Transbay would make it a run through station and increase its capacity by about 150%. The BART tunnel would allow BART to run 24 hours as maintenance could be performed while still having a route to the East Bay.
Can't see the north and south parts being completed until SF and LA are well complete unless either region pays to be connected and pays for it's own stations and transit connections.
I would be great in 30+ years. They should have privatized it long ago. We would have been under budget and finished by now.
My view is that CA was not the state to start the first US HSR project. Perhaps Chicago to X would have been the best start project
Remember how many dollars were given to Ukraine to fight Russia, How many to Israel to fight Hamas and how many spend in Afghanistan to fight talibans.
How long did it take Mexico to build their new train system in Yucatan. Maybe California needs to hire the Mexican companies to build it.
This video states that ‘money’ has been the only problem with CAHSR - the fact is HSR in the United States that takes federal dollars must be built with trains built in the US - Brightline, which so far has no HSR either, and will be using that developed by the State of California, as a private company can buy trains from the international market while the State of California cannot. The State of California is developing with private partners like Siemens and ABB to create a viable HSR industry for the whole country.
Too many stops on a high speed line slow the trains down.
If you’re going to make a video on a project in the United States please include distance measurements in miles. We are not evolved enough to use kilometers yet.
I was getting ready to make same comment.....why the heck are they talking in kilometers??????
@@davidlewis1121international channel, also Kilometers and metrics are used worldwide. Even NASA uses metrics already. Not a big deal
@@Alejandro-vn2si I have worked for US companies that did everything in metric. Easy, and it gets around the furlongs per fortnight problem.
Consider this video a learning experience on getting your brain closer to using metric :D
If it helps, it's like 2000 loves of french bread per kilometer.
15 years and not a single piece of track laid
In 2009, President Obama awarded CAHSR PHASE 1 project $3.5 billion. Since 2011, Washington politics have prevented CAHSR project from receiving substantially larger federal funding to cover 55-60% of the cost. If it did, state funds that now cover 85% of Central Valley CAHSR construction, would have shrunk to roughly 25% of Phase 1 project costs. Affected counties and freight rail companies would contribute 5% for over/underpasses and siding tracks in their domain. Once those public & freight rail funds had many segments under construction, the last 10-15% would come from a private Passenger Train Operator and multiple Transportation-Oriented Developers attracted by 40 million annual CAHSR riders IN what COULD have been A 2031 OPENING.
Not true
Briteline in FL has been running for a couple years and the new extension to Orlando opened beginning of September
The project is well worth the cost. Not all government spending should be judged in the same manner. Spending on education and infrastructure has a payback.
You're willing to commit to $1667 in added taxes for you and each of your family members to complete the California High Speed Rail project right? Because that is what YOU and your tax paying family members will be paying for the next 20 years. Plus between $80-$160 per round trip depending on the distance of your trip. You're ready to commit to the taxes and costs right?
@@hockeyplayer28 It seems like a bargain compared to what the typical California spends on the road system and their car.
@@hockeyplayer28 Regarding the cost numbers, the population of California is 39 million. The cost estimates to complete CaHSR range between $88 billion and $128 billion. Dividing the one into the other gives a cost of between $2256 and $3282 per resident. Assuming the cost is spread over 20 years, the cost in present dollars is between $113 and $164 per resident per year.
@@gregvassilakos The analyst reports focus on the number of tax paying citizens. Not all of the 39 million Californians pay taxes. Some are children, some are poor, some are not taxed due to their income level.
I have no issue at all paying taxes and voted Yes on the original Proposition 1A In 2008. What I object to is being told that it would cost $30 billion and be built in 8 years (when we were sold the initiative) and then have it actually cost 4X that cost and not be finished in 25-30 years. What I object to is wasteful and inefficient spending, wracked with grift on something I might use less than 5 times in my entire life. Assuming the California High Speed Rail ever makes it to Los Angeles (where I would have to drive an hour to get to the station).
So how can this sort of thing be fixed in the future?
1 - Tort reform. In Europe, member states prohibit attorneys taking cases based on contingency, where the attorney's fee is linked exclusively to the outcome of the case and the attorney receives no remuneration in case of loss.
2 - Fast tracked, common sense eminent domain laws that resolve litigation quickly. The CHSR project is mired in endless amounts of litigation which challenge established legal precedence. Reforms are needed to fast track the process, or we should not undertake a project of this size, cost and scope.
3 - California's government should not start a project as big as CHSR without first having domain expertise in high speed rail. Establishment of the California High Speed Rail agency should have first focused on building the expertise, before being allowed to start building the system. Instead, what actually happened is that we started building before the agency knew what it was doing.
Many of you have asked me for a reference to whitepapers that inform my position. Again I originally voted Yes on the original Proposition 1A In 2008, but I now believe that I made a mistake. Here you go: www.cato.org/policy-analysis/high-speed-money-sink-why-united-states-should-not-spend-trillions-obsolete#
@@hockeyplayer28 CATO Institute! Really?!!! That's where you get your information? I did a web search on "cato mass transit". The first thing that came up was a paper titled "Transit: The Urban Parasite".
I don't know why we can't build high-speed rail with the same kind of efficiency and speed that European countries and Asian countries can. I understand that; 1) It is a long-distance train compared to most of the systems in other parts of the world, 2) It is traversing difficult geography in places (though that is also true for many of the other systems around the world), and 3) The technology for building such systems already exists and has existed for decades.
Lack of interest and government support
@@herrwolf5184 You're right about the lack of government support. But you are incorrect about the lack of interest. Polling consistently shows a large percentage of Americans want better and more public transit, including HSR. The problem is that the American people don't get to decide what happens in this country-the lobbyists do.
I've lived in Los Angeles all of my life and no one has ever mentioned to me that we need high speed rail through the central valley. It will never make money and always need to be subsidized. LA to Vegas, absolutely. Not to mention it's obscenely expensive to do stuff like this in California. It will be over 100 billion when all is said and done. That would go a long way to fixing California's existing infrastructure which is crumbling as we speak. Water system, electrical grid, existing roads are all ancient. @@todddammit4628
@@todddammit4628 guess the fossile fuel industry has too many stakes stacked against good public transport. I really hope that this project will get done and will trigger other HSR projects. It baffles me that in a wide open country like the US it still hasn't happend because of the corrupting influence of lobbyists. Got my fingers crossed though. Greetings from Germany
Can't wait to ride!
I live in Sacramento. Hopefully I can ride this one day.
We Californians wonder if this thing will ever be built.
I will use it maybe very seldomly. Question is, who is going to use it often?
hi! i'm new to this channel, cool video btw. but i can't help but wonder, and sorry this is a bit rude, but are you using ai to narrate your video? there's just some weird moments i've noticed. like you seem american but you pronounce z as "zed", and you said "san juaquin" wrong.
as most californians are leaving the state can we get high speed rail to arizona nevada and other near by states
It's totally not going through Monterey, Big Sur, Pismo......I don't know what you'd use that graphic.
You are wrong...! this is not the only project.. You have Britelight rail,,, that is happening right now from Las Vegas to Rancho Cucamonga. They have already break ground and this train is a high speed train
Planing to plan is a next level
Great Video ! LA had rail in the center of some highways and then ripped the rails put to carry more lanes of traffic... That later caused riots in the last Century and still traffic jams ! ! ! tjl
I really want this. But so far it's just been a boondoggle for government consultants to feed on a gravy train. And it highlights how broken California is. And yes I've voted for this every time.
But do they even want HSR ? Maybe that should be the question with the price tag on it .
There was no budget set out in prop 1a, therefore there is no budget overrun
There was an estimate of $33 for Phase 1. That's what it will cost to get the IOP (about 1/3 of Phase 1) operational.
$33 B
@@RobertBenson-ce3xc an estimate is not a budget
How do they build tunnels through mountains that are prone to large scale earthquakes
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One of the Biggest Wastes of Tax Money EVER. I will probably not live long enough to ever see it finished. They should have spent a fraction of that money and widened Interstate 5 and make it 4 lanes in each direction before dealing with the train thing.
India will have 508km route operational fully by 2028 mumbai to Ahmedabad bullet train 🚅
You should be using MPH along with KPH when speaking about American train systems.
Stupid politicians.., this was long over due omg 😳🙄
Airline companies are probably throwing a spanner in the works on this one. Boeing I would assume.
They should have got the Chinese to build it.
What proof do you have of your assertion?
Mexico is letting the chinese build near Cancun
Mexico fired the Chinese.@@Cordycep1
What about Brightline in Florida? Isn’t that HSR?
Semi-high speed rail or higher speed rail or faster speed rail. Top speed is 125 mph. Averages 66 mph. HSR starts at 250 kpm/155 mph.
Don't tell me they subcontracted out software development to India. Boeing 737 software was made in India and we saw what happend.
All the specs are in metric...
If the U.S. doesn't do this how can it expect to fix the climate issues?
It can't.
Here's how the US will fix its portion of climate issues: Consumption will collapse.
👍🏾😁
As well China PRC will collapse
Sorry. High speed passenger rail is very good but it won't change the weather.
Boeing need to sell those plane, so will never allow train competition
Nice video calling out US politicians, Canadian presenter dude! We do have the Acela line back east, but it has to run slower than its capacity due to the rails not being built for high speed. I’d argue the issue is not money. The federal government pays $750b/yr on defense. Money is clearly not an issue, it’s political will/leadership. Every time politicians prolong and delay the project, they make it more expensive. If they cared so much about cost, they would fully fund the project at the beginning and not interrupt it.
And what is the purpose of the tehachapi loop in the first place? it makes no sense
They need to get rid of anaheim section and also those stations of towns no more than 60 thousand
I bet CHSR get finished before the Toronto Eglington cros town LRT!
When are they going to lay rails? That's progress!!! Brightline will beat them.
California needs this system. We need to quit dicking around and just build the bloody thing. This is the most progressive state in the union, but we need federal help to get this done. I grew up in Merced. The isolation from the fog was terrible.
The economies of Merced and Bakersfield are going to grow off the charts with the synergies of their dynamic technology and service inustries ! ( this is sarcasm)
Why is the route going along Route 99 (slow and curvy) instead of Highway 5 (Straight, and shorter route for SF-LA) ?
Making those sleepy Valley Towns into SF/LA Bedroom Communities ?
Your presentation was excellent. However since you presented the information to a North American audience it would have been helpful to tell us in miles & kilometers to have real clarity. Otherwise, good job.
Im confused...we can now fly from LA to SF in about an hour and a half, drive it in 8 hours or take the regular train which takes about 12 hours. So why do we need to spend a couple billion on high speed rail option?
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@@vlog41098 Environmental protection? Cost exceeds benefit in my opinion. There is a limit to the $$ that can be dumped into such things. Besides the state of CA has a horrible record on taking dumb environmental actions....perhaps the billions earmarked for the rail system could be better spent cleaning up the groundwater contamination from the states stupid decision to require the fuel additive MTBE in the 1990s.
Hopefully the California High Speed Rail is run NOTHING like Los Angeles Metro. The rail systems Metro built have a top speed of 65 mile hours (which was required in the spec). But they operate (per Metro's own website) at an average actual speed of 27 miles per hour. @The Impossible Build, you mention that the California High Speed Rail system is requiring the rail car manufacturers to spec an average speed of 350 kilometers per hour. Do you know if they have an operational speed REQUIREMENT? L.A. Metro has proven that just because a train can run at a specified speed, doesn't mean that it will operate at that speed. If anyone knows anything about REQUIRED average operational speeds of the system, please chime in.
Testing speed of 242 mph, sustained maximum of 220 mph. Train speed specs are based on what the needed timings are and what the route can sustain.(so blended speed is 110 mph).
Problem is that the tax payers would most likely have said no to this if they new how insane the cost would go up! This project is way to expensive and will never be worth the insane price tag! How many people will actually ride this train and will it ever make money once the trains are finally operational. Supposedly the project is about 74% completed but they still need to tunnel through the mountains north of Los Angeles to get the high speed train into LA. I am interested in riding it but the cost of the project may end up meaning the cost of a ticket may end up being expensive.