Palmdale to Burbank SR14A Preferred Alternative Flyover
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2021
- Southern California Director of Projects, Rick Simon, shares insights in this flyover video, about the Palmdale to Burbank Project Section which is part of Phase 1 of the of the California High-Speed Rail System connecting the Antelope Valley to the San Fernando Valley. This project section will bring high-speed rail service to the urban Los Angeles area with a new modern rail line that dramatically reduces travel time between the Antelope Valley and the Los Angeles Basin.
I like the fact that the tunnel spoils will be used to restore mining land.
Woah, that is cool!
SF funded its new Transit Center by selling land that had been made redundant by the new layout and allowing people to develop taller buildings on those sites. I wonder if California couldn't do something similar with this quarry site. Too bad there isn't a station nearby or you could call it a transit village. If you fill in that quarry enough so that the entire site can be developed you will be adding a huge amount of value to the site.
That's a clever, nice idea!
I hope to still be alive when HSR from SF to LA is ready for passengers.
Me too, and I'm in my late 20s.
@@alexverdigris9939 you will probably be around 40 when it is done
Project is expected to be done by 2033
It will probably be more like 2040 for the entire project to be complete
@@jacobgomer 🤣😆🤣
Interesting. Reminds me of the high speed railways in Japan and France with all the tunneling they have.
France's HSR lines have almost no tunnels. The landscape in France allows mostly to build railroads on the ground. Germany and Italy high speed lines however have long tunnel sections, same as in Japan.
This is so nerdy but cool. Hopefully this finishes on time and is not like BART.
This is nerdy? Seems pretty simple to me.
I doubt the project will finish on time. Too many moving parts to prevent stuff going wrong without extra government funding
That said, we desperately need it to really restructure CA transportation to be greener, faster, and better, and I can’t wait for phase 1 to finish.
@@LuckyFlanker13 I nenjoy seeing the progress, even more so in person. Wewill be leaving California in the next 2 years or so though.
If they didn't start digging now it won't be completed in time. Switzerland needed 16 years for the Gotthard and they had all the political support and funding. They started digging in November 1999 and operations started in 2016.
Now it won't be as long and they have several sections where they can do both sides but it will take at least 10 years to built it and another 5 to plan it.
@@Sedna063 I see your point. What always bugs me is China can build high-speed rail in a couple of years at a fast rate. But most other countries take decades to get started. I can't help but think there is some corruption or excessive red tape going on in developed western nations. China has a lot of problems, but developing infrastructure is not one of them
I strongly support this important project.
Really? You must have money coming out the ears. Why don't you pay for it?
@@Octavus5 why don’t you pay for i-69
Very interesting and informative. Great way to understand the topography of the route and the various construction techniques.
I love CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail.
We know. You’ve told us.
a MILLION times…
@@EASbear ikr
I want CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail.
FOR THE 121TH TIME YES IT WILL COME IN 2033
@@The_Poro_King yea hes everywhere
I love this project let’s do it !!!!
Great job. Very informative. Look forward to a future upload. 10-18-21. St. Joseph, MO.
Fantastic update.
For future maps, can you make the colors more colorblind friendly? I can't tell the difference between Surface and Cut/Cover Tunnel.
I agree. I have the same trouble seeing those color distinctions. So grateful for the voiceover commentary describing the colors on the route. BTW, I have found that if yo point a bright light to the colors, it helps to distinguish them. I helps when viewing a static image of routes.
Lots of tunnels. Don't honk the horn. Time to get this project built. Our grandkids deserve HSR.
No, we deserve it.
this is so cool
Great video! Very informative! Thanks for providing this guided tour!
@California High Speed Rail Authority Why the detour under Burbank Airport though, and not a straight alignment paralleling the Metrolink AV Line from Sun Valley to Burbank Junction? The point of LA to SF high speed rail is to connect LA and SF via the Central Valley and meet the promised sub-3 hour goal for LA to SF service. More than likely most trains will be bypassing Burbank Airport anyway, with only local trains serving all Anaheim to SF HSR stations stopping there. Paralleling the AV Line from Burbank Junction would also have less impact on surrounding buildings since none would need to be removed to make way for HSR tracks, which could instead go underground between Empire Ave and Buena Vista St and then stay underground all the way through Sun Valley and onward.
CAHSR and Brightline West should work together to build the Palmdale to LA segment and share those tracks. It’d be a win-win for Brightline West to provide direct LA to Las Vegas HSR service, and for CAHSR getting help building a crucial segment of its LA to SF route.
It would be nice to know how much the through trains will have to slow to accommodate the zig zag through the Burbank Airport station.
The best stations are multimodal (local and regional bus, local train, HSR, Air, Car Rental, parking, etc).
Burying a station at the airport where multimodal expansion is needed makes adding more connectivity later more expensive and complicated.
Since the airport terminals are planning a rebuild anyway the airport planners can always stack a regional transportation center on top of the station to pick up bus service. Regional tran users will need to walk or take a shuttle. If the whole point of HSR is to avoid air travel then prioritizing the short walk from a train to a plane over other modalities is somewhat suspect.
All HSR trains, including the express trains, will stop at Burbank Airport. First of all, the SF Valley has a huge population, so this station will be a major access point for the CAHSR system. Second, this stop is needed to cue inbound trains into LA Union Station above the 3-track section shared with Metrolink. It's needed for outbound trains because they won't be able to let more than two trains travel in each direction at the same time. If three trains traveled in the tunnel in the same direction, the middle train will be trapped in the unlikely event that a problem happens with the two other trains.
@@jmecklenborg I doubt express trains at least will be stopping in Burbank if any intermediate stations between LA and SF. Those will be the ones that have to meet the promised sub-3 hour goal laid out in Prop 1A, and once they leave LA or SF every minute counts. I can see San Jose being a stop for all trains, considering it’s a major hub for NorCal passenger rail and other transit, but not Burbank. It’s only 12 miles from LAUS, and is well connected by existing Amtrak and Metrolink services, the latter of which could implement a non-stop service between LAUS and Burbank Airport (especially with electrification of that corridor for HSR). There’ll need to be serious coordinating of trains on both the Caltrain and Metrolink ends of the LA to SF route to prioritize HSR trains, particularly the express ones, and I’m sure CAHSR will work with those agencies as well as UP to ensure that happens once operations begin. The tracks between Burbank and LA (and all the way to Anaheim) will need to be redesigned and upgraded to accommodate high speed rail, which if it’s anything like CAHSR’s Alternative 4 plan for San Jose to Gilroy will feature 2 passenger tracks and 1 freight track.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc I have read other people speculate that CAHSR will do just that - run one "super-express" train each day during off-peak hours in order to fulfill the language of 2008's Prop1A. But a true express won't be possible during peak hours due to the Caltrains commuter rail activity on the Peninsula and Metrorail between Burbank and LA Union. A tapping of the brakes by a southbound train anywhere between SF and Burbank means it will miss its slot to proceed south of Burbank. Also, nearly 2 million people live in the San Fernando Valley, which is 2X the population of either Fresno or Bakersfield, so it's a major source of riders.
@@jmecklenborg well it does look like the proposed Burbank Airport station will be just that, a station for Burbank Airport, seeing as the latest plans will place it underground adjacent to what will be the new terminal. I would imagine though it'll be for namely Southern Californians from the LA area and Antelope Valley wanting to fly in and out of a cheaper and/or more convenient airport than LAX. As for the Caltrain corridor, I bet most HSR trains will terminate at San Jose, especially during peak commuter hours, with only some continuing on to SF. It'll probably be a similar set up for south of LA, with most trains terminating at LAUS and only some continuing on to Anaheim.
Granted the Burbank Airport station will have connectivity beyond the airport and maybe even separate parking from the airport, thus serving the wider San Fernando Valley. Though if it'll really be a stop for all HSR trains (to as you say help funnel trains in and out of LAUS), I imagine it'll have to be a relatively large station layout that'll need to accommodate something like three to six trains per hour (likely in each direction), so at least three platforms, and with it all underground. Wonder what the practicality of that would be. That's why though I'd bet express trains will bypass Burbank on their way to and from LA, given they'll have the highest priority not just for HSR but all trains they share tracks with. That said most HSR trains will likely be limited and local stop, with express LA to SF trains running in non-peak hours.
Very long tunnel through mountainous territory. What's the estimated time to complete the tunnels?
I believe that I saw entire segment has a 6-7 year construction timeline with track and other finishing works taking a couple years. That leaves a 4-5 year span for their tunneling estimate.
@@brandonk7361 Double it.
100 years
The 4-5 years is about right. modern boring technology can go through this material fast. The feeding of blocks and supports is more likely the cause of time delays.
I would hope that the new Burbank airport station would include platforms for both the metro link and yellow line in one station area rather than having to walk all over the place to get from yellow line. Metro and high-speed.
Also what would the curve speed from palmaldale to Las vegas be? Surely this should be in the 250mph area to utilise both lines.
If I remember correctly, Brightline would not be utilizing the CAHSR trackage between Palmdale and LA. It would only be a transfer point between the two networks. The Brightline extension to Palmdale was done as a cost cutting measure to skip building their own expensive trackage into LA since there should be a connection to Downtown LA through CAHSR by the time it is complete.
@@AmpereBEEPeither way it future proofs you for future high-speed connection beyond Las Vegas for both companies. Otherwise it would be silly to make a low speed triangle junction. On a section where trains could easily be traveling at 250mph
@@richardmoore899 I see what you mean by that. Honestly with the way the triangle was shown there, it seems like Brightline wants all trains to stop at Palmdale which would negate the need for it to support the maximum designed speed. It probably also has something to do with the way that they need to squeeze the triangle between the Airport and the edge of the built up areas of the city. Not to mention that it probably isn't the final design for the junction either.
I would imagine that if in the future they wanted trains to bypass Palmdale, they could create another larger triangle to the south of Palmdale that follows a significantly smoother curve to get around the problem entirely.
@@AmpereBEEP agreed on your points. Tho I don't like the idea of building a new bypass triangle cause of the lack of foresight.....
Tho tbh I did once wonder why they don't create a larger triangle with one leg for South bound trains going parrelle to road 58 to Barstow and then you can get a bigger curve in the space given
@@richardmoore899 Brightline probably looked for the cheapest route to construct since they are a private company and the triangle shown in the video was the result. South of Palmdale it seems like there are quite a few hills and from what I have found, the initial Brightline segment would be between Victorville and Las Vegas, meaning that there would be another triangle at Barstow and then a dead end at Victorville if they decided to follow CA-58. Now that would not actually be that bad of a route, but I am not sure if there is enough room between Edwards Air Force Base and CA-58 for them to purchase their own dedicated Right of Way. Especially considering that there is already a railroad right of way there.
Actually, if Brightline was looking for the most economically feasible way for them to construct an extension to Palmdale, it would make more sense for them to use Victorville as a pass-through station considering that they would have already constructed the trackage between Barstow and Victorville. I just measured out the two route lengths, and the route following CA-58 would add 39 miles or so of additional track length that they would need to construct by taking that route. All of those things add on to the journey time and that is possibly why they chose the route that they did. It might result in a shorter trip length by just slowing down for the triangle than by going the extra distance.
I think the access points should be made permanent along the line for general or emergency access
And how does the fault line hold up against this massive construction that will possibly weaken certain areas from digging and trenching …..
I'm sure they will account for emergency exits in all sections of the tunnel. There will also be ventilation shafts as well, I'm sure. I've read several articles in the past that indicate things like subways and tunnels do better in earthquakes than things like bridges, and bridges do very well especially more recently build ones due to the higher earthquake building standards in CA.
fault lines really arent affected by human activity of this scale
I would have liked a brief explanation as to why this is the preferred alignment.
It was explained. They chose this alignment because the San Gabriel Mountain Range was at its thinnest there and the chances of boring into high-pressure groundwater were reduced.
CAHSR needs it's own tracks from Sylmar/San Fernando-Anaheim. No blended system like in the Bay Area, full, dedicated HSR, with it's own platforms at every station, and electrification of the Metrolink SB, OC, IEOC, AV, and VC Lines to go with it.
That would be $300 billion. Please pay at the register. Next!
@@TohaBgood2 Well, it truly does, as over 50 freights a day passed through in 2019, so either freight or HSR needs it's own tracks. And the blended Peninsula Corridor has it's own freight problem, as UP still runs, however now has to after Caltrain is done, as the KISS EMU's don't meet FRA crashworthiness standards, so will CAHSR have a cutoff as well?
@@AVeryRandomPerson That is incorrect. Caltrain's new Stadler KISS EMU fulfills both FRA and EU crashworthiness standards. It was modified for the North American market. Also, the UP is almost gone from this corridor as the businesses and port it used to service have moved to cheaper areas.
I agree overall that full grade separation would be awesome and this is exactly what a lot of people were hoping for. But the reality just doesn't care about what we want. Full HSR track and grade separation are incredibly expensive to build in general. And California literally has the most expensive and desirable real estate in the world. The astronomical building costs and the stratospheric land acquisition costs would make this completely impossible.
Heck, just the land on the Caltrain right of way would cost as much as an entire mid-size country. Atherton alone tens
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@@TohaBgood2 Agreed. And many HSR systems around the world do these blended routes when they approach major city centers. It's a very common practice.
There will be very few stations and thats the point of a high speed long distance line. Europe does this all the time.
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Can we get one of these videos for the Palmdale-Bakersfield section?
Any concerns about crossing the San Andreas fault zone by Una Lake? Also what is the total extent (miles or kilometers) of proposed tunneling in this segment of the project? How would this compare with rail tunnels in Europe and Japan?
I don't know what they plan for the California tunnels but there are technologies to build safe tunnels in earthquake zones. If you are interested, search for details for the Istanbul Bosposrus railroad tunnel in Turkey, which has been built in a highly active tectonic zone. Essentially it's a "tunnel within a tunnel". It has an outer pipe and an inner pipe (the actual railroad tunnel) with the inner pipe sitting on a bearing of strong springs. The shock waves, movements and energy of an earthquake only become effective on the outer pipe, which is able to bounce without breaking at once. That prevents the inner pipe to break. If there is damage, then only the outer pipe needs to be repaired. Maybe this won't survie a real big one like Richter scale 8, but most of the earthquakes which shake Southern California all the time. Fore sure such a tunnel is more expensive than a conventional tunnel, but maybe the only thing suited for California.
This is incredible and we need to build this now. Like right now. Stop reading this and get shovels in the ground.
Lets hope for a better future where all of California is connected with high speed rail like China and Japan. Lets hope for this to able to upgrade to (Maglev) as well as seen in Shanghai China. Next stop Spaceport.
Shanghai is not upgrading to Maglev. The maglev line that was supposed to link Pudong and Hongqiao airports via Shanghai South and the Expo site was abandoned after local protests. A conventional rail line is being built in its stead.
get 'er done
How many miles of tunnel. will this be the longest tunnel in the world? Looks like a lot of tunnel which translates into cost depending on the changing makeup of the strata being tunnelled through. Spoils will be enormous compared to what is described here having seen spoils from new San Gottardo tunnel.
How does the San Andreas fault fit into all of this with the tunnel
It doesn't. Earthquakes do most of their damage above ground, not in tunnels.
The San Andreas Fault is more than just a fault it’s a plate boundary and could shift up to 27 feet. This is a good question not to mention fire danger inside of tunnels. For a state that needs water infrastructure what a waste of money.
@@mikecodester No. It’s not a good question. The Japanese have been building tunnels in seismic zones for 60 years without incident. If water infrastructure is such a problem for you, why aren’t you campaigning to get a water infrastructure ballot measure. All that means is that HSR supporters are more organized and care more than you do because they got a ballot measure on the ballot and it passed.
@@gruweldaad The state should not be paying for 1 inch of this railroad. Move to Japan
@@mikecodester I can’t. I’ve seen squid game.
Do the high speed rail authorities predict an increase in property values in the general Mohave desert area, related to the train?
Is there a timing on this yet?
THe next station north from Palmdale will be Lancastar? Bakersfield?
This is very awesome.More revenue for Palmdale so it can boom up more. We need a casino here in palmdale i think and Outlet shopping malls by the side of Quartz hill. I hate how the city planner did all over this homes the walls to cut off ways for people to go through to other sides to the road because they turn to dead ends and end up looking like mazes.Thats a big No .no! Since i believe all of Palmdale will soon become like L.A.
This is gonna take SO LONG to complete! 🙏
What's going to be the average speed in this section?
Fast lol
Tehachapi Pass was called out in a previous Q&A video as being their slowest pass due to the grade at a continuous 180 mph. I’m not sure exactly how braking before Burbank would factor into the average speed, but it’s safe to assume that it will be about 200 mph.
@@brandonk7361 That is still the fastest speed they have in one of the longest tunnels. 180 mph translates to almost 300 kph. The Gotthard Base Tunnel and the Brenner Base Tunnel only operate at 250 kph.
@@brandonk7361 I doubt they will operate at 200 mph throughout the system. Experience from other HSR systems is proofing such a speed - while technically no problem - results in uneconomically high power and maintenance costs. Here in Europe speed limits for tunnels never exceed 250 kph, which would be 165 mph. The super-long tunnels below the Alps mountains (30 to 40 miles length) mostly are authorized for 125 mph operational speed (200 kph) only. That's to keep wear and tear on an acceptable level.
@@OldSchool-px1xk That’s not strictly true. The Frankfurt-Köln line here operates through tunnels at 300km/h. HS2 in the UK is currently building tunnels for 360 km/h operation.
Isn't it close to the fault line?
what's not close to a fault line, in california?
@@orangemoonglows2692 the San Andreas
@@EASbear fault lines are everywhere in california. san andreas is the most well-known. i think the most recent larger earthquakes have not occurred along that fault line.
That is a lot of tunnels. How many miles?
I believe btwn 22 and 28. It looks like the 22 is through "riskier and deeper" terrain. This alt appears to be the 28 mile version. That's a lot.
That is a lot of tunnel.
Is this really going to happen or is this just a proposal?
But! When
It seems as if most of this high speed rail will be built underground and within tunnels. I think I understand some of the reasons for this but want to hear from the experts about the most important reasons. I am very disappointed that we won’t be able to look out the windows to enjoy the scenery. It will be very boring. Isn’t there anyway to build the railway mostly above ground?
Please build it
Anyone know what happened to the so called Palmdale International Airport proposal?
Yeah. They need a million more people to move into AV before Dept of Airports will build
@@sdjahof1964 Damn in another words a 2nd LA of a populated city.
@@SalviAmerican Yes indeed. While we have the space ( do we, really?) There is no water and it would be foolish and criminal to build out and bring more people here
@@sdjahof1964 Very True
I wanna work for u guys
Thats one long tunnel. I hope they can find a enough money to do it.
PALMDALE
Should be completed in 2060
2033
Current gas prices are CAHSR best friends. However, I guees it will take a lot of effort to make Californians accept trains as a mode of transportation. This state has been built on the automobile like no other. And what is more, it does not suffice to build just this line, as expensive it may be. You will need to upgarde mass transit in the Los Angeles and Peninsula region big time. Nobody takes a train, if he needs a rental car for lat miles to get home from the station. Looking at the Inland Empire or San Fernando Valley, I wonder how that goes. Angelinos are not people like those from London or Tokyo. They love their car. I guess that'll be much more of a challenge to CAHSR than boring tunnels under the Tehachapi mountains.
Originally, California was built on rail transportation. Full north/south coverage happened in the nineteenth century. No autos then.
@@JamesMcGillis That is correct, Sir, However, the railroads which were constructed in the 19th century, up to present day, were curvy single-track lines. Already after WW1 they were considered as too slow, weren't they?. When I-5 was built, and airflight became affordable, passenger rail quickly went down. Not only in California, for sure, But that is the reason why the railroads in Europe and Eaat Asia responded with high-speed rail, to keep their passengers. Please look at the US East coast. On the NEC more people ride the train than in the whole rest of the US alltogether. That is, because you have the Acela and 125 mph at least. It could be much more if they would invest more into that route. Maybe they will, if Amtrak's budget is raised. So please don't get me wrong. I don't want to make a judgement about the US or California. But a train taking 12 hours from LA to SF really is no alternative to plane and car. That is why I wish CAHSR to become a success.
gas cars will be banned by the time this is finished
@@OldSchool-px1xk Very nice remarks. Car culture is true.
Hurry up i actually wanna ride high-speed rail before i die
You guys might need to incorporate some of the Channel Tunnel’s safety systems because that’s a very long tunnel with very few access points.
When people ask why its so expensive and is taking so long..show them this.
Yes sir. This is the most expensive portion of the project. It appears to be the last tunneling so who knows when the dig begins and ends.
Tell that to I-69
@@darthmaul216 why? meaning what? is it delayed?
Most of us will be dead and buried by the time they cut through all that rock to make those long tunnels, good luck with that!!!
Former mining forman.
Brian.
Maybe you’ve got a lot to learn from Japanese and European engineers. This is easy
@@tommyd3257 we arent in japan
@@KarlDahlquist you saying we have shitty engineers and mining crews here? Because it sure sounds like it
Why doesn't California put a 1c sales tax for this up for a vote?
Why not just go straight from Burbank to Bakersfield on highway 5?
Topography isn't right for trains I think
Why is t this part of Amtrak? And a Los Angeles to Vegas route is t buult
So there will be a station in Los Angeles and Burbank? What is the point of high speed rail if it is going to stop in less that 20 miles from another station?
I mean I have zero confidence in our ability to tunnel this much, but if they can, it would be awesome 👏🏻
What year is the CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail going to be completed?
Madera to Wasco (or the end of CP 4) 2029-operational
Merced to Bakersfield 2033 hopefully
Everything else is anyone's guess, mine is 2050+ for the whole project
Sure is a lot of tunneling... hope it can be finished in my lifetime!
It shows surface grade through Palmdale, From Lancaster to Palmdale should be below grade so we don’t drive across the tracks and hold up traffic. The existing Union Pacific does that already and it is a mess morning and afternoon. Thank You.
But freight trains take much longer to cross. I sometimes just turn off my car because the wait can be long. HSR is much faster so it shouldn't be an issue for traffic.
I think there is a grade separation where the road will go over at these points.
Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier just having a raised rail above the middle of the 14 freeway like Disneyland? There would be more to see. Being underground for 30 minutes or whatever the time, would be boring, plus there's the issue of earthquakes...
being underground is actually the safest place during an earthquake
@@georgerascon1825 not when you’re under extra weight, in addition to the ground shaking all around the tunnel instead of just shaking below the rails.
@@mi12no oh
@@mi12no There have been several studies indicating being in a tunnel is safer than let's say on a viaduct or bridge during an earthquake. Japan has many miles of HSR tunnel and a lot of earthquakes too and they haven't had any serious issues. And they invented HSR and have had it the longest of any country.
I'm not sure of the specifics, but often median alignments don't work for trains due to different curve and grade tolerances between cars and trains.
Wouldn’t it be more expensive to build tunnels then to just improve that current track that Metrolink takes?
Metro link speeds are lower and the turns would mean running the HSR at unacceptable speeds.
Let’s get boring!
What year is the CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail from San Francisco to Los Angeles and Anaheim going to be completed?
How does it feel to devote so much of your professional career and energy to this project but will probably never get to ride it?
You can thank Oil, Auto, Airline companies & Elon musk for why this project is taking so long
I live in Mountain Glen community(Lopez Canyon area) and it shows here (6.15 min) that the rail will go right under my house and I definitely don’t want that to happen!!!
Part of the plan is to refoundation homes on rollers and springs, haha. If you are older than 55 don't worry about it unless you live to 95.
When is the CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail going to be completed?
2029
When is the CALIFORNIA High Speed Rail from San Francisco to Los Angeles and Anaheim going to be completed?
Not for many years
This is the same kind of underground rail system they use in under area 51
Looks like some bidding from the Boring Co. may be in order for this little project.
Please explain y this can't paralel the 5, what happened to go ONLY from SF to LA to SD!?!
Hey Rick Simmon, it's Pacoima, not Pacoyma. Please hire an intern to spell check.
Who’s going to use this train? Nobody uses the current metro link from Palmdale to Burbank.
This tunnel would go right under my house, I can only imagine how it is going to affect its value. Not even mentioning a long-term construction. I am strongly against this project.
Shouldn't they compensate for harm and damages?
@@R_Priest Well, we can only hope for that, but I am pretty sure no one is going to do that.
Probably not at all, if anything it’ll raise the value being next to a train
I attended one of these meetings. A hydrologist confirmed that they will drain all underground water resources to build the tunnel. This area relies on wells. This is a drought state. Draining underground aquifers, wells, and other resources is irresponsible.
I also voiced concerns about building underground railways in an earthquake state, with nearby fault lines. The hydrologist said he certainly would not want to be down in those tunnels during an earthquake.
This is another boondoggle waste of taxpayer money.
Ridership is quite low in CA Metrolink and busses. Ridership is projected to be low on this line once the novelty wears off. This is going to require taxpayer funding forever. It was a plum to big Democrat donors.
Ridership is low on Metrolink because its slow, infrequent, and it sucks
Lol. Tell that to I-69
Japan, China, and Italy have earthquakes, tunnels, and high speed rail. I don't know how they manage where Americans can't. I guess we're not exceptional after all.
This proposed rout is madness !!!
The entire area is riddled with a spider web of faults.
What do you think the out come of a rail car would be , after hitting a collapse section of tunnel, or even a slight misalignment of the rail at 200 MPH ???
The Palmdale to Lancaster section is already highly developed, as is the surrounding area.
We are already short of water around here, with little to no chance of obtaining any more. Further expansion into this area with out a guaranteed water source is just plain foolish !!!
This whole plan is madness form an engineering stand point, as well as a geological one.
mark my words, this will be the biggest engineering disaster in the whole world if it is completed, and if not completed it will be the biggest financial disaster in the history of man kind !!!
Tim
thanks Tim
Meanwhile Japan is have Fault line but have HSR go through them?
Hundreds of thousands of homeless and we are throwing away billions on a train when we should be helping mankind....
Why can't we do both?
Homeless are homeless because they want to give them a place to live they wouldn’t take it
We are doing both. The governor announced billions for combating homelessness in his last budget proposal in July due to the large unexpected $75 billion surplus. And LA County and LA City residents voted for 2 separate measures to fund construction of transitional housing to help with the homelessness issue too.
The homeless can just sleep on the train like they in new york and Chicago
Biggest money boondoggle in history!
Lol. That’s I-69 sheep
This is the whitest of white elephants. $600 billion isn't a big enough debt for Californians to carry? Gotta add another $60 billion with this project? The fact that it cuts across a tectonic plate boundary and about 11 different thrust faults on its way to downtown L.A. is reason enough to cast suspicion on such a monumental expense on a 170-year-old technology, especially when ridership will likely never exceed 3% of the population of CA even though 100% of the population will be paying to build and operate it.
Better hope this doesn't get approved because I don't want a high speed train running (literally) underneath my house. I will lay down in front of the bulldozers to stop it. Thanks for having no consideration for all those who live (humans and animals) in the areas you'll be ruining.
Same
Lol. People would do the same thing if the freeway was widened. Have fun snowflake
We dont need this!!!!
In your mind
Another money hole.
That’s I-69
The homeless immigrant will get free passes, the Taxpayer covers the tab!
Colossal waste of money. Unless potential passengers are “forced” out of airplane and automobile travel alternatives and tickets prices are astronomically high, ridership will NEVER come close to paying for this extreme example of governmental overreach.
Ticket prices are not supposed to pay for infrastructure, otherwise the highways would never have been built, infrastructure increases land value, plus it creates better connectivity, which is very valuable to the government. Every high speed rail network in the world has boosted the economy, even though ticket prices haven't paid back the investment.
@@thetimelapseguy8 Agreed. And people never ask why aren't freeways and highways across the country paying for themselves. Why? because that would require all publicly funded roads,. bridges, highways,. and freeways to ave tolls. Yes, every car, bus, truck, etc. would have to pay a toll to use them. That scenario is the equivalent of saying that ticket prices won't pay for the HSR system as a whole. HSR should be viewed the way we view our highway system.
Potential passengers will be forced out of airplanes. France is already doing it and my generation is guaranteed to do it also, provided we have this SUPERIOR option to airports.
Are you sure that your name is Brian and not Xi?
@@gruweldaad And that is why HSR is so important to have as another viable option to move a lot of people fast for certain distances. Also, airports around the world are already at full capacity and it's extremely expensive to add significant capacity to exiting airports. HSR helps to alleviate that issue for flights between 100-500 miles which is the preferred route length range for HSR.
Complete over reach and waste of resources.