it’s great to hear the casual conversation amongst you and all the little tips and details you don’t hear otherwise! great landing and i hope you celebrated 😊
Quite challenging winds for first landing. You guys chose a great day to test your pilots! Whats the SOP for decrab prior to landing vs. after the main gear touch down? I noticed AF seem to kick the rudder after the main gear touch down, versus KLM where they 'try' to decrab during the flare. And whats the pros and cons between the two?
The KLM way is the Airbus preferred way. IMHO only amateurs land completely side-loaded. p.s. a Wind component of only 10kts is hardly "challenging for a first landing." Remember, these guys transitioning aren't newbies or rookies, but have already thousands of hours under their belt.
@@roguewave1060 It varies per airline SOP but to my knowledge, if the runway is wet and there's a strong crosswind (like in this scenario), you decrab after you touchdown whereas if it was dry but there was a strong crosswind, you do it before you touchdown.
Airbus SOP allows maximum 5 degrees crab angle on touchdown. Crosswind less than 10 knots gives crab angle less than 5 degrees so you can decrab after touchdown. More than 10 knots you have to decrab before touchdown. In this video crosswind component is less than 10 knots so it’s NOT necessary to decrab before touchdown as the crab angle is already less than 5 degrees. But this is theory! Real life is more complicated because wind is always gusty plus turbulence plus headwind or tailwind component. One of my last landings wind was 15 knots gusting 36 knots crosswind component. Near touchdown I received a gust and crab angle increased well above 5 degrees. I tried to decrab but there was 7 knots tailwind component. We passed touchdown zone so I had to perform a go around and perform another approach.
I don't know the procedures for either manufacturer but in terms of GA, we don't 'decrab' but we transition into a sideslip during the round out phase of the landing roll. On approach the aircraft should be in a crab into the wind to maintain centerline. Upon rounding out, the aircraft nose is yawed into centerline. We bank the aircraft so that the upwind gear is positioned first to touch down Upon touchdown: 1. The upwind gear lands 2. The opposing gear lands 3. The nose wheel gear lands. We do this to avoid side loading the aircraft. This procedure may obviously differ from what airliner manufacturers use, but it remains the general procedure to handle a crosswind landing with minimal side loading.
The external view it's not from the same landing, so why add it? It's clearly visible, weather is slighlty different, touchdown point is different, de-crab is also different.
Pay some close attention, they are the same video, however the such different angle makes the landing look different, also live timing and syncing isn’t always gonna be perfect..
@@_itzdzxrk_6911 nah bro, he's right. The videos are not the same: not only the lighting and weather are different, but look at 3:28 - in the left video, the engine is right next a taxiway, however, on the right, video, it is not.
du bon boulot les gars !...avec ce crosswind et cette pluie ! atterrissage en " crabe" ..et "décrabage "...j'adore la bonne atmosphère dans le cockpit :)
Well done for a first timer. Kept his composure too. But question, is it training to be captain or training to fly the A350, i thought he'll train in the F/O seat .
Alors la cam extérieure ne filme pas du tout le même évènement que la cam intérieure par contre... L'avion est au soleil sur la cam extérieure lorsqu'ils atterrissent !
I wonder if it is common practice in France to speak French both in the cockpit and in communication with the ground. Or is it only applicable to training flights where pilots are making their first real flight after simulator training?
Common in France for controller's to speak French to French crews/pilots. I haven't flown since the 90s, but I also saw this in Quebec. Not sure if this is still common in Canada.
You think they’d have a special language for your first flight after the simulator? They speak French because they’re French, as Germans would speak German. To ATC they are allowed to speak French because the French make their rules and they can, rest of the world speak English to ATC as that way everyone can understand each other and there isn’t the bewilderment and lack of SA you get at French airports with multiple languages being thrown around.
Thank you both for the clear explanation. I now realize that I mistakenly assumed that all communication with ATC in the Western world is conducted in English, but that was already explained in the video.
Atc is allowed to repond to someone in the local language, but they must respond in English if someone start speaking English! In the big lines, that’s the explanation
Il ne pleut pas sur la camera du passager où l’on peut s’apercevoir que le fuselage est exposé au soleil alors que depuis le cockpit on peut voir qu’il pleut beaucoup et qu’il y a très peu de visibilité
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I love the discussions between the pilots showing well the good CRM.
thanks!
it’s great to hear the casual conversation amongst you and all the little tips and details you don’t hear otherwise! great landing and i hope you celebrated 😊
For a first landing after only flying the sim, that’s pretty good 👍
Magnifique atterrissage ! Très bonne ambiance dans le cockpit à ce que je vois 🤣
Merci!
Very nice video! 😉
Thanks!
Quite challenging winds for first landing. You guys chose a great day to test your pilots!
Whats the SOP for decrab prior to landing vs. after the main gear touch down? I noticed AF seem to kick the rudder after the main gear touch down, versus KLM where they 'try' to decrab during the flare. And whats the pros and cons between the two?
The KLM way is the Airbus preferred way. IMHO only amateurs land completely side-loaded. p.s. a Wind component of only 10kts is hardly "challenging for a first landing." Remember, these guys transitioning aren't newbies or rookies, but have already thousands of hours under their belt.
@@roguewave1060 It varies per airline SOP but to my knowledge, if the runway is wet and there's a strong crosswind (like in this scenario), you decrab after you touchdown whereas if it was dry but there was a strong crosswind, you do it before you touchdown.
Airbus SOP allows maximum 5 degrees crab angle on touchdown. Crosswind less than 10 knots gives crab angle less than 5 degrees so you can decrab after touchdown. More than 10 knots you have to decrab before touchdown. In this video crosswind component is less than 10 knots so it’s NOT necessary to decrab before touchdown as the crab angle is already less than 5 degrees. But this is theory! Real life is more complicated because wind is always gusty plus turbulence plus headwind or tailwind component. One of my last landings wind was 15 knots gusting 36 knots crosswind component. Near touchdown I received a gust and crab angle increased well above 5 degrees. I tried to decrab but there was 7 knots tailwind component. We passed touchdown zone so I had to perform a go around and perform another approach.
I don't know the procedures for either manufacturer but in terms of GA, we don't 'decrab' but we transition into a sideslip during the round out phase of the landing roll.
On approach the aircraft should be in a crab into the wind to maintain centerline.
Upon rounding out, the aircraft nose is yawed into centerline.
We bank the aircraft so that the upwind gear is positioned first to touch down
Upon touchdown:
1. The upwind gear lands
2. The opposing gear lands
3. The nose wheel gear lands.
We do this to avoid side loading the aircraft.
This procedure may obviously differ from what airliner manufacturers use, but it remains the general procedure to handle a crosswind landing with minimal side loading.
@@harryroberts388 very detailed! thanks for your insight!
That was impressing !
Thanks!
Superb. Look how he controlled his roll and pitch moment so clearly in such a strong crosswind.
Thnaks!
Strong crosswind?
230/14-21 is 10 to 15 kts crosswind… Modern airliners are certified to around 40 kts crosswind
@@diego646464 Yeah but just for me that's strong enough haha
I feel like these are 2 different landing videos
Yea
they are. The runway is dry in the other Video lmao
Same airport but 2 different videos.
yes
Moi aussi
J’adore toute les vidéos de votre chaîne, ça me conforte dans l’idée d’accomplir mon rêve et de devenir pilote d’a350 Air France
Merci!
The external view it's not from the same landing, so why add it? It's clearly visible, weather is slighlty different, touchdown point is different, de-crab is also different.
Pay some close attention, they are the same video, however the such different angle makes the landing look different, also live timing and syncing isn’t always gonna be perfect..
@@_itzdzxrk_6911 It is NOT the same video. Clearly fake news. Scam clickbait video.
@@joshadams7788 well then you’re a little blind aren’t ya mate ?
@@_itzdzxrk_6911you can see from the tail view it’s sunny and the cockpit it’s cloudy and rainy
@@_itzdzxrk_6911 nah bro, he's right. The videos are not the same: not only the lighting and weather are different, but look at 3:28 - in the left video, the engine is right next a taxiway, however, on the right, video, it is not.
du bon boulot les gars !...avec ce crosswind et cette pluie ! atterrissage en " crabe" ..et "décrabage "...j'adore la bonne atmosphère dans le cockpit :)
I've watched this video 3 times :) It's a very nice to see. Good job!
Great crosswind landing you guys did a great job thank you .
C'est notre aéroport ! Vatry !
Super atterrissage, il y a tout le temps du vent la bas.
Bonne continuation !
The cockpit view and the view from the vertical stabiliser don't match. Those were not recorded at the same time.
plus que 5 j'adore ! super atterrissage au passage .
Merci !
Verry nice landing, was this his first crosswond landing?
He is going to be a real pro. That was good!
“It’s my first, we can open the bottles” is the most French reaction imaginable 😂
Magnifique! Impressionnant!
Merci!
Awesome!
Thanks!
J'adore, super partage merci beaucoup
Well done for a first timer. Kept his composure too. But question, is it training to be captain or training to fly the A350, i thought he'll train in the F/O seat .
Training to transition to the A350 after being a captain on another aircraft.
@@diego646464 ohh okay, thanks
Superbe vidéo ! Un peu hard le touchdown 😅
L'A350, une merveille de technologie 😁
Impressionnant ! ^^
Merci!
Congratulations!
Magnifique, la cam cockpit est moins impressionnante que la cam extérieur. Sur la cam cockpit on a l’impression que l’approche est droite.
Alors la cam extérieure ne filme pas du tout le même évènement que la cam intérieure par contre... L'avion est au soleil sur la cam extérieure lorsqu'ils atterrissent !
Brave pilot 💪😎
Bananas on the first try with crosswinds. Excellent!
Même pas peur haha. Excellent !
Impressionant 🔥
Merci!
The external view looks a little bit different...is it taken from the same flight?
Super! 😍
Merci!
C'était pour une QT Airbus a350 ? Ou juste un entrainement de contrôle ?
Vol de formation du noyau dur d'instructeur. Les instructeurs qui formeront les instructeurs qui formeront les pilotes ( en 2019)
@@HighPressureAviationFilms Ah ok, y a t ils des instructeurs qui forment les instructeurs qui formeront les instructeurs qui formeront les pilotes ?
I thought you had to decrab before touch down in the Airbus (at least the A320). Interesting!
Were they speaking English 😶 thanks for the captions
Superbe ! :D
J'adore !!! bonne ambiance en plus !
Merci!
C'est le F-HUVA ?
Fantastic
Thanks!
IMPRESSIVE
why not decrab?
Beautiful footage
NICE
Impressive
Thanks!
I wonder if it is common practice in France to speak French both in the cockpit and in communication with the ground. Or is it only applicable to training flights where pilots are making their first real flight after simulator training?
Common in France for controller's to speak French to French crews/pilots. I haven't flown since the 90s, but I also saw this in Quebec. Not sure if this is still common in Canada.
You think they’d have a special language for your first flight after the simulator?
They speak French because they’re French, as Germans would speak German.
To ATC they are allowed to speak French because the French make their rules and they can, rest of the world speak English to ATC as that way everyone can understand each other and there isn’t the bewilderment and lack of SA you get at French airports with multiple languages being thrown around.
Thank you both for the clear explanation. I now realize that I mistakenly assumed that all communication with ATC in the Western world is conducted in English, but that was already explained in the video.
Atc is allowed to repond to someone in the local language, but they must respond in English if someone start speaking English! In the big lines, that’s the explanation
@@JM-75003 Aviation enthusiast from Montréal, Québec here : I can confirm it is also very common to speak french to french speaking crews and pilots!
Ce n'est pas plutôt l'aéroport de Châlons-Vatry parce que le numéro de piste présent à Châteauroux actuellement ne correspond pas à celui de la vidéo?
Oui tout à fait, Chalons
Erm thats is not the same landing?
Why turning FD´s off on short final?
To see if he can do it without.
First come the spoilers, then the thrust reversers and finally the wheel brakes.
Empty plane! How?
Hi every one
Now I’m 24 years old.
I have stuttering.
Can I still be a pilot?
Rudder-Phobia rules these days at flare height
2 different videous with 2 different landings. What the?
nice
En 28 > Vatry ?
Oof, that was a brutal landing. Some rudder will help with that side load on landing.
Bel atterrissage !
Et une bière à l Escale!!😂😂✈️✈️
Hehe
@@HighPressureAviationFilms rien de tel qu un bon plateau de fruits de mer après quelques tours de piste...🍺👍✈️
Impressionnant, l’avion descend en crabe 🦀 😅
Cockpit camera in one airport and tail camera showing another airport. Great.....
Never trust the Grinch
Heck yes, they let you put cameras on the tail.
The tail camera is a feature on all A350. On most airlines even the passengers can access it on their screens
Kejadian kabeh kui dominan di gawe ulah musuh karo memang mati karena takdir to kecelakaan.
👌❤️
Thanks!
3:52 a350こういうモニターついてるだ 777もあるよね
Sing penting koe wes tak omongi nek koe tak tolak rausah sakit hati musuhmu sopo koe ngrti pelakune total
2 different videos. Misleading 👎🏼👎🏼
Ça decrabe pas bcp !
Not enough right rudder🤷♀️
Cooler in English.
Pemerintah mu sing order hal kui yo karpemu to
Silly joking and discussing/explaining taxi charts, while still on an *active* runway! Only in France! 🙄🚩
On remets les gaz et on se tire ! Petite couille 😂 NON moi je me continue .
Ah, c’est magnifique vidéo pit de cock.
Si non on se casse hein ? 😅😅😅😅
Même pas peur 😂
C'est le même atterrissage entre la caméra de la dérive et celle du cockpit ?
No
oui une POV cockpit et une POV caméra
@@triiky6195 en fait non
Il ne pleut pas sur la camera du passager où l’on peut s’apercevoir que le fuselage est exposé au soleil alors que depuis le cockpit on peut voir qu’il pleut beaucoup et qu’il y a très peu de visibilité
Clairement pas : la vidéo extérieure montre un toucher à 150 m (deuxièmes marques de piste), celle intérieure un toucher aux plots.
These are sorry excuses for pilots. Mainly computers & ILS do all the work. Try being a bush pilot or flying DC3s/DC4s. THAT'S flying!!! 🛩
Another know nothing taking about stuff you don’t understand. Get back to your flight sim and tissues in your bedroom.
anyone else saw the hand in the top right corner at 0:47? creepy.
Just wondering why they didnt do it on a simulator saves fuel and logistics of the plane taking off
99% of the training is on simulator. At some point you need to fly the plane for real.
Il a un peu oublié de décraber le mec. Tout ce blabla pour 14 noeuds de vent...lol
ok retourne piloter sur playstation
C'est pénible de vous écouter parler trop souvent inutilement, flight and shutup!
tu devrais péter un coup ça te rendrait plus aimable
@@calahan59 a l’international les pilotes français ont mauvaises réputations. A l’image des français de France ;)
@@Mark4lifee Y a des français qui ne sont pas de France ? Toi par contre niveau orthographe t'es pas au top mon pote...
Merci!
@@calahan59 effectivement les pilotes de l’est du Canada ne parle pas français. ;)
thats a hard land about 400 fpm
That video on the bottom left isn’t the same flight is it? Why include it? It’s kinda misleading.