I loved knowing that you are a documentary filmmaker. That part was really touching. Of course, no one can challenge your technical review and I loved it too.
For grading N-LOG I really recommend using Davinci's new Wide Color Gamut. You can set clips to N-log and it gives you a great result. Interesting review, and it's very tempting to me as a former Nikon shooter who switched to Panasonic. If they had given me these specs in a body similar to the Z6 (even at an additional $1000) I probably would have switched back to just to use some of my favorite nikon lenses again. Namely the incredible 58mm 1.4 and 105mm 1.4. Hopefully they release a smaller camera with internal 4K N-log without the gamma issues in the shadows.
Do u think nikon lenses are better than Panasonic lenses. I don't have both cameras or lenses but I have feeling or inkling that nikon photos would look better if I shoot side by side with a Panasonic or sony system. But is it due to lens quality or sensor quality ? Many Leica lenses don't perform great in dxomark review but they are super expensive like 35mm f2. So I guess dxomark rating must not be a very imp thing to consider.
@@vikastiwari1844 I personally had both systems for a bit and when it comes to photos, I did prefer Nikon a lot more and that because of the raw files. Nikon had that natural organic look where Panasonic has fine detail with makes them look very sharp but at the end I like Nikon colors more.
Nikon D90 was the first dslr to shoot video. Now with all these killer features like Prores HQ makes it a great camera! Wish they do an update for Prores 422. Finally the King takes back his crown!
Hi RUMAN CAM. The Nikon D90 was my first DSLR camera for video. (Even before I purchased the Canon EOS 5D Mark II)...In regards to ProRes internal recording, the current variant is 10-bit, HQ 4:2:2. Thank you Johnnie
You can adjust custom setting G2 to use the normal shutter release button to start recording. Or plug a 10 pin remote into the port. Attach that to your grip. Not sure why you're still using luts. Switch to a colour managed workflow in Resolve.
Amazing colors Nikon reproduces. I personally prefer NOT having a flip screen, reason simply being when I record say a talking head of me for UA-cam, I STILL use a much larger external monitor simply bc even flip screens like in Sony or Canon are just too small to use. Personal preferences of course. This style of screen is much quicker to position when filming from the back.
You need to go to custom setting menu, then go to movie (g) menu, right cursor, then custom controls, choose shutter release button, press OK button, then choose Record movies, exit menu, You are set
Another great story and review. I love that you shared your personal journey in this one Johnnie. Good job and looking forward to what you do in the coming year! -Ted
As a working photographer that shoots 99% of the time tethered to a computer, I think the LCD design is so much better than my Canon R5. I basically cannot flip the screen upwards when shooting horizontal because it hits the cables. Keep in mind through that I never video myself.
This style of LCD for Vloggers pisses me off, if you use your camera for professional work (with monitor and external mic) it's terrible. I think canon and sony do this to please youtubers only.
Its incredible how you made that beautiful short docu in just 2 days! Great job!! Surprisingly the picture characterististic is reminding me of RED Epic (mx or dragon) !! If they come up with a video centric compact version of this camera, with fully articulate lcd screen and Nlog2, I will be interested to buy one.
This thing is much more compact than a red camera and it has everything included to shoot. I Don't understand the need for full articulating screen unless you want to shoot yourself. Because it can flip in every direction except in front. Worse case scenario you can use nikon app as a screen.
They have always been underrated. They always tried to give something more, but were always superseded by someone else not long after. For example, in the day the D800 had much better video spec than the Canon, but Canon had already cornered the market. The z6 was first full frame to give 10 bit video capabilities and then RAW. For me they did slack with the z6ii, which was more of an S refresh model. Had they put internal 10bit in it, they would have kept that momentum. They do those small missteps that kill their momentum in the video world. I see a small z9 coming in the z8 around 3.5k , but I also hope they have a very solid z6 upgrade, as they won't conquer or solidify their video market only with 3.5k and above camera.
Thank you, Heath! Will try this when we get the camera again in the near future. This drove me "crazy"...I simply could not find it, yet of course trust your word :) Johnnie
By the way, your opening statement - sounds similar to us - well in some ways. Though, naturally we are not as good as you. Love that you always use the camera you are testing to show a real world example... Key is story.
We also mainly shoot in winter! So, we know all about batteries dying, and all kinds of camera issues in sub freezing temps. We shoot with the Z6 - now thinking of a major upgrade.
Awesome review.. I'm new to this hobby and learning so much from pros like yourself.. thank you for sharing your experience strength and hope! 💙💙💙💙🙏🙏🙏🙏 Mikey
Hi Reniro.de. RAW video recording is not available yet. Please don't give up on N-Log. Nice images still can be created! It can be that you will find the official N-LUT not so beneficial thought, as it tends to crash the shadows. Thank you! Johnnie
I don't know if its possible for 10bit 8k but you can design your own costume log profile using Nikon official software. this method works on other Z cameras and DSLR.
All the reviews till now were mainly focused on photography. i didn't even knew image stabilization doesn't work in 8k or Maybe there should be a setting for it. but Nikon should take your feedback and i have also saw CineD article about Z9 dynamic range and latitude testing in lab. Nikon should take a look at that and try to work on some new log profiles at least for Z9 to get max dynamic range out of it. real time exposure meter in video mode and some of the other features should be there to make it better camera for film making.
@@CineD I hope more filmmakers give their feedback. Nikon have designed their Z lenses to have minimum focus breathing which is really good for film making but then they forgot to designed lens bodies for film making. i mean no distance marking on focus ring which is needed for focus pulling. and mechanical manual focus would have been better for focus pulling. so maybe Nikon can do something about lens design in future.
@Apple Pear naa Oled display look cool but it doesn't help for film making. Oled display is tiny and its on the top. focus puller which have to stand in one side for focus pulling can't see any info at all. thats why even modern Cine lenses still use marking printed on the lens like old days. maybe big oled display around the lens works better but why waste to much battery power for that. keep oled display but also print distance marking on the lenses. Nikon have kinda perfect opticals for Video/Film making because of minimum focus breathing. but lens housing is not designed for film making. otherwise i am sure S lenses were going to be popular for film making.
@@JaspreetSinghArtist These lenses are fly by wire MF and I was hoping in the future they would engineer a remote for focus pulling. Someone should suggest that.
Excellent job on your review. You can use the ninja v for self monitoring as you probably know. Perhaps you could offer up your redesign LUTs for z9 users until Nikon steps up with new updated one. Clearly you’re talented and quick study video maker to produce this solo production in two days with a new camera. Look forward to more work if you acquire a Z9.
Hi Jon. Thank you for your input! I tend to work with minimum equipment and as much as I appreciate what Atomos brings to the market, my style of working is very minimalistic. In regards to sharing the LUTs, we at CineD would love to! I just want to gain a bit more confidence with the tool we are using and make sure that what we give can be usable for many. Thanks again! Johnnie
Hi S.H. Upscaling from 4K to 8K on the timeline does not do justice to the footage. (And at times, in DX crop mode too). I had to make a decision between delivering this review in 4K, or 8K and eventually opted for 8K. To summarize, on a 4K timeline, the 4K footage does look cleaner. Thank you! Johnnie
@@CineD i absolutely believe that could be part of it, however i watched in on an ipad pro 12“ in 4k (yet the ipad only has roughly 3k screen). So in fact i watched it downsampled and it was VERY noticeable in only the 4x slomo clips…since the DR-Test showed the best modes only have okayish DR, im assuming noise is an issue in 120 modes no? (Or do you believe the footage was underexposed maybe? Im not trying to critique, i find this genuinely interesting!)
And maybe im just spoiled from the a7s3 ive been using last year that basically shows no visible difference between 4k30 and 4k120 even in low light. The 8k60 had me intrigued tho!
@@prokremelskidezolati1426 I think the z8 will be a smaller Z9 with some features removed. It would compete directly with the Canon R5 while surely beating it, like note overheating etc.
@@danielvilliers612 I really think Nikon needs to compete with the R6 and A74 first. These cameras are the new big sellers. If they don't retain some sales parity in the mid market I can't see how they can continue as a main player in the camera market.
@@markshirley01 I think they will do both. First thing first i think the z8 as I said above will be a mini Z9, that will require very little development as it will use same sensor and expeed 7 processor. It will just have reduced spec like smaller buffer so you cannot take same amount of continuous photos. In video perhaps no 8k 60fps or internal prores. This will sit into the 3.5k range. Secondly I see them updating the z6 as it will be in its 4th year. The z6ii is actually an S model with minor update. I just hope nikon doesn't use the a74 sensor as it has very bad rolling shutter. Instead still keep a low megapixel sensor with lower rolling shutter and at least higher bitrate 10bit h265 internal in every mode including internal log. This would be the minimum . For around 2k, I can understand external raw for example, but at least this time, full sensor readout , like panasonic does. I think nikon should also embrace non standard resolution. 6k mode even in a Z9 would be great because it would half the file size while giving flexibility for 4k delivery. Put also some 4:3 format for anamorphic shooters.
Hi John. I did not. Usually, I turn those digital camera picture enhancements off. (And I'm not sure if this feature is available when filming in N-Log, and as the camera is not with me anymore, I can not check). Thank you Johnnie
As for the camera ingl general.. I shot Nikon for the better part of a decade, but switched to Canon earlier this year for a C70, as I surmised that Nikon would likely never deliver anything to compete with Canon's Cinema EOS line. Don't see the Z9 bringing me back, but there is a part of me that wants to buy one just to have it.. but $6K is too much for me to just buy it for the hell of it.
@@TizOnly1 Nikon Z9 not comparable to dedicate Cinema cameras because they have dedicated features for film making but i think on image quality Z9 will be on the that level once 12 Bit N-Raw firmware released.
@@TizOnly1 Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Indeed, spending $6K makes sense ONLY if it is a working tool that can recoup the expense relatively fast. Johnnie
@@CineD in some ways working with the z6 and I think with other mirrorless brands should be nearly the same,but it has changed my way of filming completely. I went from being always on stick, using external recorders and manual focusing, to a z6 with minimal rig and a strap around my neck. I mean with the ibis, autofocus, viewfinder etc have completely changed my working style. I work on set as a set photographers from European movies to netflix movie in my small island country. These are in the multi millions dollars productions with 2 3 arri alexas with 3 opperators etc. But how much people work like that or have these types of budget. While a Z9 can be used nearly handheld for reportage, documentary, corporate jobs, and put on sticks, dolly, focus puller, external monitor for advertising jobs etc. I see the flexibility of this camera, so much better than the more pure cine camera form factor. Living in a middle income country which economy badly crashed with the pandemic, I don't know if I can go that high with a higher than 6000 usd price when you will add tax etc. I am hopeful nikon comes rapidly with a smaller brother in the z8 in the 3.5 k usd price tag.
Thorough as ever, thank you. Small FYI, while admittedly very 'UA-camy', "guys" is not a unisex term. Perhaps worth re-evaluating, depending on the audience you hope to appeal to, for the channel and for MZed.
Z9 not available here in Ireland and could be another 18 month delay like the Nikon 850. INTERESTING STUFF raised that will have the nikon technical staff looking into
Hi NikCan. If I'm not mistaken, the camera is not yet available anywhere. A delay of 18 months sounds totally crazy although. I'm on the B&H "product alert" mail list and very curious to know when it will arrive. Thank you! Johnnie
Hi John. Thank you for your suggestion. Please mail me to office (at) cined.com. Looking forward to hearing more and sorry if my response might be a bit delayed in the next few days. Johnnie.
Great work as usual Johnnie. But about the Nikon Z9… Is no one else seeing how noisy this camera is? And the slowmo scenes look pretty bad to my eyes. Sure ProRes Raw internal will be a nice addition (though useless for Resolve users), and 8K sounds great on paper… but noise, dynamic range etc… are perhaps even more important. Let’s not forget that the Arri Alexa Mini LF ($90K ready to shoot) is an 8MP camera. Personally, I believe the Canon Eos R3 captures a much cleaner and more pleasing image with what seems to be best in class ISO performance and superior dynamic range. If you’re curious, take a peek at my channel. I uploaded several samples, including ISO tests. Pay particular attention to ISO 10,000… I swear it looks essentially the same as ISO 800… absent of both noise and color shifting. The more footage I see from the Z9 the more I’m convinced that Nikon made the decision to sacrifice both dynamic range and ISO performance for the sake of speed.
Canon fanboy alert! :)) "Let’s not forget that the Arri Alexa Mini LF ($90K ready to shoot) is an 8MP camera." - what a stupid comment - so, you want the 5500USD PHOTOcamera to be better, than the LF for 90 000USD? looooool, what a douchebag!
I’ve been shooting the Canon Eos R3 since launch. I recently shot a high ISO video test where I step through the ISO from 3200 up to 25,600. The Canon looks basically identical at 800 as 10,000. Check my channel… I just call it as I see it. FYI: I’ve owned several Nikons, Sonys, Panasonics, Fujis, Olympus and Reds over the years… I addition to Canon. I’m a fanboy of only what works. In my experience poor noise performance is something that will haunt your footage with the Nikon. To avoid it you’ll need to crush the blacks…. And with that, welcome to 9 stops of dynamic range! I’m just the messenger.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 yep, Canon is known to have "the best DR", rofl So, basically, what you wanna say is, that the R3 is better than the 90 000 LF. Correct? :)))
I only mention the Arri in regards to resolution. This is to emphasize the point that resolution is not everything. At no point did I claim that the Canon had the best dynamic range. However, I did say that the Canon Eos R3 was rated as having the best ISO performance of any full frame hybrid. All these specs speak to is flexibility to get the shot and to recover the image. These are tools, nothing more.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 You: "At no point did I claim that the Canon had the best dynamic range." Also you: "Personally, I believe the Canon Eos R3 captures a much cleaner and more pleasing image with what seems to be best in class ISO performance and superior dynamic range." So, what is your meaning of "superior" as attached to the R3 when referring to dynamic range for a particular class of cameras?
Hi Polani. Here we go: cined.co/fylm and my short explanation of this cloud base tool: www.cined.com/create-your-own-luts-in-just-a-few-clicks-with-fylm-ai-tutorial/ Thank you Johnnie
I know you said the noise was due to upscaling to 4k, but there's some really serious noise going on on the low-light portions, and even on the fully lit parts of the video. At 10:20 it looks frankly terrible. And Looking at the shadows roll-off at 10:22 is, again, 8-bit worthy. The wood even gets discolored from lack of information. Blacks get crushed into oblivion. Perhaps it's from the bad N-Log you're talking about, or perhaps it's bad grading. In any case as a showcase it looks pretty bad for the Z9 :(
Wow, thought I was the only one that could see it. Honestly, I can clearly see noise even at the base 800 ISO. This camera is very noisy. And as you point out, the shadow roll off is terrible. I just can’t understand why so many here are claiming it’s great. My Canon Eos R3 blows this thing away. It’s honestly not even close.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 From the reviewer: "Upscaling from 4K to 8K on the timeline does not do justice to the footage. (And at times, in DX crop mode too). I had to make a decision between delivering this review in 4K, or 8K and eventually opted for 8K. To summarize, on a 4K timeline, the 4K footage does look cleaner." = crappy settings + upscaling. Thats it.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 Watch this - not bad at all - the problem is, some people don't know the system and after few days of PLAYING, here we have such a reviews... ua-cam.com/video/wfyU4-ihAWA/v-deo.html
"The first [camera] 10-bit internal 4K ProRes HQ" W....what? The Blackmagic Pocket 4K has done this for years, and at literally ⅕ of the price ($1,000).
That footage is so mushy, noisy and lacking shadow detail, there's no way on earth the camera is that bad. The worst footage of any camera you've reviewed thus far, no joke.
![Nikon Z 9 Review: Used It As My Main Camera [8K]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_enQaE1wQJ8/mqdefault.jpg)
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Nikon released this camera, then built themselves their new HQ... Congratulations Nikon.
I loved knowing that you are a documentary filmmaker. That part was really touching. Of course, no one can challenge your technical review and I loved it too.
Thank you Hornbill Studios!
For grading N-LOG I really recommend using Davinci's new Wide Color Gamut. You can set clips to N-log and it gives you a great result.
Interesting review, and it's very tempting to me as a former Nikon shooter who switched to Panasonic. If they had given me these specs in a body similar to the Z6 (even at an additional $1000) I probably would have switched back to just to use some of my favorite nikon lenses again. Namely the incredible 58mm 1.4 and 105mm 1.4. Hopefully they release a smaller camera with internal 4K N-log without the gamma issues in the shadows.
Thank you, Geoffrey, for your recommendation. I'm with you when it comes to a smaller-sized camera.
Do u think nikon lenses are better than Panasonic lenses. I don't have both cameras or lenses but I have feeling or inkling that nikon photos would look better if I shoot side by side with a Panasonic or sony system. But is it due to lens quality or sensor quality ? Many Leica lenses don't perform great in dxomark review but they are super expensive like 35mm f2. So I guess dxomark rating must not be a very imp thing to consider.
@@CineD is it possible that a very cheap or low quality lens can show lower dynamic range than a superb quality lens for video?
@@vikastiwari1844 I personally had both systems for a bit and when it comes to photos, I did prefer Nikon a lot more and that because of the raw files. Nikon had that natural organic look where Panasonic has fine detail with makes them look very sharp but at the end I like Nikon colors more.
Nikon D90 was the first dslr to shoot video. Now with all these killer features like Prores HQ makes it a great camera! Wish they do an update for Prores 422. Finally the King takes back his crown!
Hi RUMAN CAM. The Nikon D90 was my first DSLR camera for video. (Even before I purchased the Canon EOS 5D Mark II)...In regards to ProRes internal recording, the current variant is 10-bit, HQ 4:2:2.
Thank you
Johnnie
You can adjust custom setting G2 to use the normal shutter release button to start recording. Or plug a 10 pin remote into the port. Attach that to your grip.
Not sure why you're still using luts. Switch to a colour managed workflow in Resolve.
Amazing colors Nikon reproduces. I personally prefer NOT having a flip screen, reason simply being when I record say a talking head of me for UA-cam, I STILL use a much larger external monitor simply bc even flip screens like in Sony or Canon are just too small to use. Personal preferences of course. This style of screen is much quicker to position when filming from the back.
You need to go to custom setting menu, then go to movie (g) menu, right cursor, then custom controls, choose shutter release button, press OK button, then choose Record movies, exit menu, You are set
Thank you, Eldin! Noted
Another great story and review. I love that you shared your personal journey in this one Johnnie. Good job and looking forward to what you do in the coming year!
-Ted
Thank you Ted for your constant support! Truly appreciated.
Johnnie
As a working photographer that shoots 99% of the time tethered to a computer, I think the LCD design is so much better than my Canon R5. I basically cannot flip the screen upwards when shooting horizontal because it hits the cables. Keep in mind through that I never video myself.
This style of LCD for Vloggers pisses me off, if you use your camera for professional work (with monitor and external mic) it's terrible. I think canon and sony do this to please youtubers only.
Its incredible how you made that beautiful short docu in just 2 days! Great job!!
Surprisingly the picture characterististic is reminding me of RED Epic (mx or dragon) !!
If they come up with a video centric compact version of this camera, with fully articulate lcd screen and Nlog2, I will be interested to buy one.
This thing is much more compact than a red camera and it has everything included to shoot. I Don't understand the need for full articulating screen unless you want to shoot yourself. Because it can flip in every direction except in front. Worse case scenario you can use nikon app as a screen.
Thank you Saby. Let's hope that something more compact will appear soon.
There ya go.. Who would have thought 4 years ago Nikon would be on TOP for video... Besides me? lol
They have always been underrated. They always tried to give something more, but were always superseded by someone else not long after. For example, in the day the D800 had much better video spec than the Canon, but Canon had already cornered the market. The z6 was first full frame to give 10 bit video capabilities and then RAW. For me they did slack with the z6ii, which was more of an S refresh model. Had they put internal 10bit in it, they would have kept that momentum. They do those small missteps that kill their momentum in the video world. I see a small z9 coming in the z8 around 3.5k , but I also hope they have a very solid z6 upgrade, as they won't conquer or solidify their video market only with 3.5k and above camera.
It’s not too hard to change the shutter and other buttons to initiate recording on my retail z9. Just the customize control option.
Thank you, Heath! Will try this when we get the camera again in the near future. This drove me "crazy"...I simply could not find it, yet of course trust your word :)
Johnnie
Cheers mate. It can be hard to find.
that intro was truly inspiring. great review as always!
So happy to see Nikon making a come back. Definitely going to pick up a Z9 if the internal raw arrives as promised.
By the way, your opening statement - sounds similar to us - well in some ways. Though, naturally we are not as good as you. Love that you always use the camera you are testing to show a real world example... Key is story.
We also mainly shoot in winter! So, we know all about batteries dying, and all kinds of camera issues in sub freezing temps. We shoot with the Z6 - now thinking of a major upgrade.
Awesome review.. I'm new to this hobby and learning so much from pros like yourself.. thank you for sharing your experience strength and hope! 💙💙💙💙🙏🙏🙏🙏
Mikey
Thank you Mikey for taking the time to watch the video and commenting here. Appreciated!
Johnnie
@@CineD 💙💙👍👍
Michael
Great video! Thank you :-) Hope to get mine soon! If N-Log makes problems ... which is the best mode then to film in ? RAW ?
Hi Reniro.de. RAW video recording is not available yet. Please don't give up on N-Log. Nice images still can be created! It can be that you will find the official N-LUT not so beneficial thought, as it tends to crash the shadows.
Thank you!
Johnnie
I don't know if its possible for 10bit 8k but you can design your own costume log profile using Nikon official software. this method works on other Z cameras and DSLR.
I think now it would make sense to buy the Z8, right? I want to rent it this week and the Canon R5C and compare them
Renting and comparing those 2 cameras is a great idea! Please let us know what you end up taking. Thank you!
All the reviews till now were mainly focused on photography. i didn't even knew image stabilization doesn't work in 8k or Maybe there should be a setting for it. but Nikon should take your feedback and i have also saw CineD article about Z9 dynamic range and latitude testing in lab. Nikon should take a look at that and try to work on some new log profiles at least for Z9 to get max dynamic range out of it. real time exposure meter in video mode and some of the other features should be there to make it better camera for film making.
The e-VR is not working for additional stability when filming handheld.
Nikon is very serious about the video features in this camera and there is an open dialog on "how things can be improved".
@@CineD I hope more filmmakers give their feedback. Nikon have designed their Z lenses to have minimum focus breathing which is really good for film making but then they forgot to designed lens bodies for film making. i mean no distance marking on focus ring which is needed for focus pulling. and mechanical manual focus would have been better for focus pulling. so maybe Nikon can do something about lens design in future.
@Apple Pear naa Oled display look cool but it doesn't help for film making. Oled display is tiny and its on the top. focus puller which have to stand in one side for focus pulling can't see any info at all. thats why even modern Cine lenses still use marking printed on the lens like old days. maybe big oled display around the lens works better but why waste to much battery power for that. keep oled display but also print distance marking on the lenses. Nikon have kinda perfect opticals for Video/Film making because of minimum focus breathing. but lens housing is not designed for film making. otherwise i am sure S lenses were going to be popular for film making.
@@JaspreetSinghArtist These lenses are fly by wire MF and I was hoping in the future they would engineer a remote for focus pulling. Someone should suggest that.
Happy 2022 Johnny! You are one of my favorite filmmakers.
Be well.
Thank you, Richard, for your kind warm words!
Johnnie
Very thorough. And loved the fact you learned by doing. Me too!
Got mine on order. Meanwhile, still using 2 Z6s mostly for video production.
Hey Raymond. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts after you get to work with the Z 9.
Thank you!
Johnnie
Excellent job on your review. You can use the ninja v for self monitoring as you probably know. Perhaps you could offer up your redesign LUTs for z9 users until Nikon steps up with new updated one. Clearly you’re talented and quick study video maker to produce this solo production in two days with a new camera. Look forward to more work if you acquire a Z9.
Hi Jon. Thank you for your input! I tend to work with minimum equipment and as much as I appreciate what Atomos brings to the market, my style of working is very minimalistic.
In regards to sharing the LUTs, we at CineD would love to! I just want to gain a bit more confidence with the tool we are using and make sure that what we give can be usable for many.
Thanks again!
Johnnie
Great Video!! Thank you... I'm waiting for my new Z9. Probably in January
Thank you, Sylvain!
Just imagine what their Mark III Z6 and Z7 will be like? With the Expeed7, we will see Nikon gain huge grounds
Nice HONEST review, thanks! :)
Thank you, Roman. Appreciating the time you took to watch it.
Johnnie
Good, honest review. Thanks.
Thank you Peter for taking the time watching the video
Johnnie
Nice one…but whats with that HEAVY noise at all the slowmotion segments? Its Really nasty…
Hi S.H. Upscaling from 4K to 8K on the timeline does not do justice to the footage. (And at times, in DX crop mode too). I had to make a decision between delivering this review in 4K, or 8K and eventually opted for 8K. To summarize, on a 4K timeline, the 4K footage does look cleaner.
Thank you!
Johnnie
@@CineD i absolutely believe that could be part of it, however i watched in on an ipad pro 12“ in 4k (yet the ipad only has roughly 3k screen). So in fact i watched it downsampled and it was VERY noticeable in only the 4x slomo clips…since the DR-Test showed the best modes only have okayish DR, im assuming noise is an issue in 120 modes no? (Or do you believe the footage was underexposed maybe? Im not trying to critique, i find this genuinely interesting!)
And maybe im just spoiled from the a7s3 ive been using last year that basically shows no visible difference between 4k30 and 4k120 even in low light. The 8k60 had me intrigued tho!
Very helpful and thorough! Thanks!
Thank you Leo!
beast camera 💪 watched in 8k on bigger monitor thank you for that option 🙏love your storytelling
Thank you mirrorlessNY, appreciated! Good to know that the image holds well on an 8K monitor.
Greetings.
Johnnie
I really hope Nikon get the AF into a mid range (£2500) soon. Plus it would be fantastic if they took the shutter out and used the sensor cover.
Yes, that is my next camera - the small Z 9 :)
@@prokremelskidezolati1426 I think the z8 will be a smaller Z9 with some features removed. It would compete directly with the Canon R5 while surely beating it, like note overheating etc.
@@danielvilliers612 hopefully soon. TBH, I don't need maybe 80% of Z9s features :)
@@danielvilliers612 I really think Nikon needs to compete with the R6 and A74 first. These cameras are the new big sellers. If they don't retain some sales parity in the mid market I can't see how they can continue as a main player in the camera market.
@@markshirley01 I think they will do both. First thing first i think the z8 as I said above will be a mini Z9, that will require very little development as it will use same sensor and expeed 7 processor. It will just have reduced spec like smaller buffer so you cannot take same amount of continuous photos. In video perhaps no 8k 60fps or internal prores. This will sit into the 3.5k range. Secondly I see them updating the z6 as it will be in its 4th year. The z6ii is actually an S model with minor update. I just hope nikon doesn't use the a74 sensor as it has very bad rolling shutter. Instead still keep a low megapixel sensor with lower rolling shutter and at least higher bitrate 10bit h265 internal in every mode including internal log. This would be the minimum . For around 2k, I can understand external raw for example, but at least this time, full sensor readout , like panasonic does. I think nikon should also embrace non standard resolution. 6k mode even in a Z9 would be great because it would half the file size while giving flexibility for 4k delivery. Put also some 4:3 format for anamorphic shooters.
Did you play with the "Active D-lighting" function at all?
Hi John. I did not. Usually, I turn those digital camera picture enhancements off. (And I'm not sure if this feature is available when filming in N-Log, and as the camera is not with me anymore, I can not check).
Thank you
Johnnie
@@CineD Thank you Johnnie! Happy new year!
I come for the review but stay for Johnnies documentaries, they are so full of compassion for his sujetcts, this time himself
Thank you Andrea for your kind warm words. Appreciated!
Whats your opinion at lowlight?it is good?
Simply good!
I shot a Z6 for a couple of years and also found the Nikon conversion LUT to be unusable.
That said, I believe I recall them already stating that they're developing a new Log curve for the Z9.
As for the camera ingl general.. I shot Nikon for the better part of a decade, but switched to Canon earlier this year for a C70, as I surmised that Nikon would likely never deliver anything to compete with Canon's Cinema EOS line. Don't see the Z9 bringing me back, but there is a part of me that wants to buy one just to have it.. but $6K is too much for me to just buy it for the hell of it.
@@TizOnly1 Nikon Z9 not comparable to dedicate Cinema cameras because they have dedicated features for film making but i think on image quality Z9 will be on the that level once 12 Bit N-Raw firmware released.
@@TizOnly1 Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Indeed, spending $6K makes sense ONLY if it is a working tool that can recoup the expense relatively fast.
Johnnie
@@CineD in some ways working with the z6 and I think with other mirrorless brands should be nearly the same,but it has changed my way of filming completely. I went from being always on stick, using external recorders and manual focusing, to a z6 with minimal rig and a strap around my neck. I mean with the ibis, autofocus, viewfinder etc have completely changed my working style. I work on set as a set photographers from European movies to netflix movie in my small island country. These are in the multi millions dollars productions with 2 3 arri alexas with 3 opperators etc. But how much people work like that or have these types of budget. While a Z9 can be used nearly handheld for reportage, documentary, corporate jobs, and put on sticks, dolly, focus puller, external monitor for advertising jobs etc. I see the flexibility of this camera, so much better than the more pure cine camera form factor. Living in a middle income country which economy badly crashed with the pandemic, I don't know if I can go that high with a higher than 6000 usd price when you will add tax etc. I am hopeful nikon comes rapidly with a smaller brother in the z8 in the 3.5 k usd price tag.
You are the man, bro!
Thorough as ever, thank you. Small FYI, while admittedly very 'UA-camy', "guys" is not a unisex term. Perhaps worth re-evaluating, depending on the audience you hope to appeal to, for the channel and for MZed.
Thank you, bokeh dilla. Noted!
Interesting review. Awesome camera! Thanks
Thank you Tor!
OMG this is the BEST Christmas gift!!! The Johnnie doc!!!!!!!! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you dsa. I truly don't deserve those warm words.
Warm greetings.
Johnnie
Z9 not available here in Ireland and could be another 18 month delay like the Nikon 850. INTERESTING STUFF raised that will have the nikon technical staff looking into
Hi NikCan. If I'm not mistaken, the camera is not yet available anywhere. A delay of 18 months sounds totally crazy although. I'm on the B&H "product alert" mail list and very curious to know when it will arrive.
Thank you!
Johnnie
Thank you Johnnie!
Yonie, thank you!
How do I reach you via email? I would love to share my way of processing NLog with you privately.
Hi John. Thank you for your suggestion. Please mail me to office (at) cined.com. Looking forward to hearing more and sorry if my response might be a bit delayed in the next few days.
Johnnie.
Thank you for this great Video! :D
Thank you, Sam. Appreciating the time you took to watch it!
Very nicely explained
Thank you AD
Is There Zebras and Waveforms For Video ? Thanks
it does have zebras for video, but does not for still pictures
Great work as usual Johnnie. But about the Nikon Z9… Is no one else seeing how noisy this camera is? And the slowmo scenes look pretty bad to my eyes. Sure ProRes Raw internal will be a nice addition (though useless for Resolve users), and 8K sounds great on paper… but noise, dynamic range etc… are perhaps even more important. Let’s not forget that the Arri Alexa Mini LF ($90K ready to shoot) is an 8MP camera.
Personally, I believe the Canon Eos R3 captures a much cleaner and more pleasing image with what seems to be best in class ISO performance and superior dynamic range. If you’re curious, take a peek at my channel. I uploaded several samples, including ISO tests. Pay particular attention to ISO 10,000… I swear it looks essentially the same as ISO 800… absent of both noise and color shifting.
The more footage I see from the Z9 the more I’m convinced that Nikon made the decision to sacrifice both dynamic range and ISO performance for the sake of speed.
Canon fanboy alert! :))
"Let’s not forget that the Arri Alexa Mini LF ($90K ready to shoot) is an 8MP camera." - what a stupid comment - so, you want the 5500USD PHOTOcamera to be better, than the LF for 90 000USD? looooool, what a douchebag!
I’ve been shooting the Canon Eos R3 since launch. I recently shot a high ISO video test where I step through the ISO from 3200 up to 25,600. The Canon looks basically identical at 800 as 10,000. Check my channel… I just call it as I see it. FYI: I’ve owned several Nikons, Sonys, Panasonics, Fujis, Olympus and Reds over the years… I addition to Canon. I’m a fanboy of only what works.
In my experience poor noise performance is something that will haunt your footage with the Nikon. To avoid it you’ll need to crush the blacks…. And with that, welcome to 9 stops of dynamic range!
I’m just the messenger.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 yep, Canon is known to have "the best DR", rofl
So, basically, what you wanna say is, that the R3 is better than the 90 000 LF. Correct? :)))
I only mention the Arri in regards to resolution. This is to emphasize the point that resolution is not everything.
At no point did I claim that the Canon had the best dynamic range. However, I did say that the Canon Eos R3 was rated as having the best ISO performance of any full frame hybrid.
All these specs speak to is flexibility to get the shot and to recover the image. These are tools, nothing more.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 You: "At no point did I claim that the Canon had the best dynamic range." Also you: "Personally, I believe the Canon Eos R3 captures a much cleaner and more pleasing image with what seems to be best in class ISO performance and superior dynamic range." So, what is your meaning of "superior" as attached to the R3 when referring to dynamic range for a particular class of cameras?
Nikon wins world war CAMERA. Coming from a nikon fanboy who loves Canon color and SONY lowlight.
No light meter in video? I know they’re not the best tools, but what?!
What’s this film ai tool? Couldn’t find it anywhere.
Hi Polani.
Here we go: cined.co/fylm and my short explanation of this cloud base tool: www.cined.com/create-your-own-luts-in-just-a-few-clicks-with-fylm-ai-tutorial/
Thank you
Johnnie
This is excellent
useful Z9 review.
I ordered 18 of them
@2:04 this
Beginners luck...The light was changing beautifully...
I know you said the noise was due to upscaling to 4k, but there's some really serious noise going on on the low-light portions, and even on the fully lit parts of the video. At 10:20 it looks frankly terrible. And Looking at the shadows roll-off at 10:22 is, again, 8-bit worthy. The wood even gets discolored from lack of information.
Blacks get crushed into oblivion.
Perhaps it's from the bad N-Log you're talking about, or perhaps it's bad grading. In any case as a showcase it looks pretty bad for the Z9 :(
Wow, thought I was the only one that could see it. Honestly, I can clearly see noise even at the base 800 ISO. This camera is very noisy. And as you point out, the shadow roll off is terrible. I just can’t understand why so many here are claiming it’s great. My Canon Eos R3 blows this thing away. It’s honestly not even close.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690
From the reviewer:
"Upscaling from 4K to 8K on the timeline does not do justice to the footage. (And at times, in DX crop mode too). I had to make a decision between delivering this review in 4K, or 8K and eventually opted for 8K. To summarize, on a 4K timeline, the 4K footage does look cleaner." = crappy settings + upscaling. Thats it.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690
Watch this - not bad at all - the problem is, some people don't know the system and after few days of PLAYING, here we have such a reviews...
ua-cam.com/video/wfyU4-ihAWA/v-deo.html
"The first [camera] 10-bit internal 4K ProRes HQ"
W....what? The Blackmagic Pocket 4K has done this for years, and at literally ⅕ of the price ($1,000).
In a mirrorless camera, one that can take pictures next to high-quality videos.
Thank you
Johnnie
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Does that mean You are 2 years behind?
ahead
That footage is so mushy, noisy and lacking shadow detail, there's no way on earth the camera is that bad. The worst footage of any camera you've reviewed thus far, no joke.
Are you laughing? A camera of 2021? It won't be available until fall of 2022? Don't turn you channel into an SNL sketch.
" It won't be available until fall of 2022" don't be a moron. Many people already HAVE IT!