Glock vs PDP
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“Reliability aside, I think they’re both pretty reliable”-Ben Stoeger 2024
plausible deniability! LOL
Let's go Brandon
I'll explain for you, He said to ignore the reliability issue since both are reliable. Do you comprehend now?
Lolol 😂 for the record I think he meant "Reliability aside (I think they're both pretty reliable),..."
@@daveandrews5998it’s wild that people need their hand held to comprehend this. He’s saying why he’s not comparing reliability
The last tidbit at the end. Getting something you think is cool so it actually makes you wanna train is so important. A lot y’all buying a Glock or a PDP and don’t even train with it
Madison? Shouldn’t you be concerned about basket weaving or something of the sort
@@DanielTaylor-tz1rf can’t I be proficient with a gun and be in the kitchen making my man a sandwich
@@DanielTaylor-tz1rfPlease get out of the gun community.
@@DanielTaylor-tz1rf can’t I enjoy shooting and guns along with having time to be in the kitchen to make my man a sandwich?
I also thought that was a valid point and something I really hadn’t considered. I’m on my 5th Glock. Buying a new gun, light, optic at this point isn’t even exciting haha it’s going to say Glock, surefire, and trijicon. Maybe it will say stream light or holosun instead…. Thankfully I’m motivated enough to train by my relatively poor opinion of my own performance LOL
The ending thoughts ring true, certainly. When people have asked for recommendations on what their first handgun should be, I've recommended that, as long as the price is acceptable and the gun itself isn't a lemon, they should just get a gun that they think is really cool. Training is paramount for handguns, and you don't want to be in the situation where you've got a gun that you're not really jazzed about, and you've got the time to take it out and practice, but you're not really feeling it, and so you don't. Your first gun aught to be something you think is so cool, you'll contrive time to take it out. Starting out with pistols sucks. It feels like hitting your head against a wall repeatedly. Every motivator, to push through the rough early days into handgun competence, is an absolute blessing.
I know exactly what you mean, I started off with just micros and found it discouraging to build skills at first. Had to get a more full size double stack to finally appreciate practicing. Now I’m excited to take it out at the range; it’s a big psychological boost.
As long as it's drop safe, everything else is just ✨️Aesthetics✨️
If I owned a gun shop/range I’d stock it with quality firearms and put a big sign on the wall that says:
Pick the one you think is so cool that you are going to want to practice with it.
I really like the PDP. But it doesn't do anything that my Glock's don't.
To me it isn't worth having to buy new holsters, mags, spare parts etc. Plus, I can service almost any issue with Glock products because they are so dead simple and similar through all generations and variants.
Yep, plenty of great striker guns out there, but 30 years of Glocks and everything you wrote, isn’t enough for me switch.
I agree but at the same time why am I paying more for a gun that’s not as set up..
Video summary - "Let's talk about gun preferences... They all seem fine. Whatever."
LOL true
I bought a PDP because everyone raved about the factory trigger, which is nice, but the PDP Compact feels like I'm shooting a Glock 23. It's not horrible but it's a snappy little bugger.
Throw a zr tactical spring and guide rod in and you'll be set.
I think it's becauss of the massive slide and high bore. To me, one of the worst shooting guns
@@dr.jon3s I have the stainless steel one on there with a 15lb spring. It’s better and I like shooting it but it’s noticeably snappier than my G19.
Funny you bring this up. I rented one at a range because I was curious how it shot. I hated it because it felt far too snappy for the size.
Yup, snappy. I think it's because of short distance before it unlocks so there is a lot of slide speed.
That end advice is why I recently have been running and little used gun, the Beretta APX. They work, reliable, meet all my needs in terms of priorities for me, and I just like them.
Off topic but I just hit my highest score on my training course today at the range and I’ve had an enormous spike of improvement lately because of you. So thank you, keep doing what you’re doing!
1:25 I TOTALLY get that. When I was just starting out I tried about 6 pistols side by side and some of them felt very off-putting in ways I couldn't describe. The 9mm Beretta PX-4 Storm slid into my hand like a dream, and I never looked back.
The Canik Rival Steel Frame. Love it. Love to practice with it. Always excited to see it and have it in the hands. Like Ben said, that means a lot. Tried the Glock 34 last week. I immediately recognized why people go to that gun for competition.
as someone considering a pdp this was helpful
Agree! Having gun you like does make you want to shoot and practice more!
The PDP frame is not big hand friendly. Even with the large backstrap it's no where near as accommodating as the L backstrap on the glock. The PDP texture is fantastic.
On the flip side, the Glock frame is not small hand friendly, whereas the PDP and PDP-F are a dream for that size of person and hand.
I agree. And why the pdp-fighter fits me like a glove 🧤
Just asked you a question in the comments and got a whole 5-min video response :) Thx!
Long As It's Flingin Lead When Called Upon.... It's Good
Got a DPD F series for my girl, its perfect fitting for her smaller hands, the slide had a great grip so easy to rack it.
Cons
More impulse when shooting it,
Less aftermarket parts. Specially for us in the euro zone.. funny huh but thats related to the complexity of U.S export.
My biggest concern is the ability of maintenance. PDP is pretty complex in way of a full strip
That s very true, and quite important, the fact that you find a gun cool makes you practice much more what possibly could makes us better shooters. That s exactly how I feel with Glocks.
Both great guns. Ditto for the M&P 2.0, which id probably take over either of these if I had to pick just one. As you note, I think the accuracy issues with the 1.0 prevented some people from giving its successor a fair chance.
roll pins on pistol in 2024 is dumb.
Accuracy is on the shooter not the gun just saying. If you lack fundamentals accuracy don’t mean shit
Well said
I own a glock 17 and a ppq m2 both 9mm. I agree on everything said in the video and I want to add that the stock 15 rd mags for the ppq is sometimes hard to get in right when fully loaded. I ran it with 14rds loaded for ipsc cause I didn't trust it before I bought the +3 baseplate. Now it's fine. Also bought new recoil springs that I'm going to fiddle around with. It's a snappy one but I do like it and prefer the grip angle over the glock.
You should give the M&P a fair shake
Would like to see Ben do a review of the M&P 2.0 Metal guns.
Have a m&p 1.0 i bought in 2011. Never had any problems with it, outside of the trigger. But that was after about 6,000 rounds. Idk if it was worn parts or not. Put a apex trigger in it, no problems since. Prob has 2k on that trigger. Ive since added 4 m&p 2.0. 1 of which is the early 2.0 has the old hinge trigger. The new blade 2.0 trigger is quite nice.
M&P>>canik tp9/sfx>>>>>glock. Price no factor? M&P, price a factor? Canik. Is it 28 days later? At least 1 glock, since they are everywhere.
Went to the range and tried them all side by side. Was a pretty clear difference. Mostly recoil impulse. Trigger was noticeable, but isnt the do or die people make it out to be. (not race guns)
More Beretta 92 content if you can add some current commentary, please. A lot of better options these days, but they are still a unique piece of pistol history and a smooth shooter. I started following you over a decade ago when I first got my Elite II, and it's awesome to see a brief appearance in this video! Thanks Ben!!
Love my Canik Mete SF
The PDP-F provides an option that Glock doesn't. Unless you include the Slimline models.
I didn't expect much except looking cool from a $650 pistol when I whimsically bought the initial PDP but now I have 2 and my "better" pistols are mostly sitting in the safe until I feel guilty for neglecting them. I'm no world class shooter but PDP I shoot more adequately than my other ones.
As time goes on, I’m less and less into guns and more into skill building. I’m very tempted to get a PSA dagger(super cheap) and just wear those things out. 2k pdps and 1.5k shadows are quite the price compared to $300 used glocks and cheapo clones like psa daggers.
Good to c the B92 get a little love. Do you still shoot them? May I ask how many you have? What other Guns do you enjoy to shoot other then the CZ, Glock, Staccato.?
Are you picking up on Ben?
Is it true if you replace the the PDPs spring with the F version's it no longer snaps? 🤔
Any thoughts on the ppq? I kind of prefer that shape. Plus the q5 is so sexy
How's the availability and pricing of Walther parts?
Putting aside all the competition variants or customized versions of basic polymer duty pistols , I’d pick a CZ P10F if I was looking at a FS stock duty pistol. Mine have been bombproof. But all the quality strikers I have are pretty good IMO.
Are you getting a steel frame PDP?
Had a G17. Didn't like the grip angle. My nose picker got pinched between the bottom of the trigger and the trigger guard. I think the PDP has more of the classic grip angle which I like. However, the Glock grip angle probably makes the felt recoil feel less. YMMV.
Hey Ben, abit of an off topic question for you, at one point would you consider doubles accuracy acceptable? Punching them at the same hole or keeping both at the a zone, asking specifically so I know when to go further out in distances
Doing doubles and watching your content has dramatically increased my performance so want to thank you regardless man, where I live we have no real quality training and having people like you put contents out for free has been a life saver
Any thoughts about getting a steel frame PDP?
One thing about the PDP is it is oversprung pretty heavily. A 15lb or even 13lb spring from Walther makes it recoil like butter.
Even stock you get used to it all I shoot is glocks and pdp
It is set up for nato loads and hot duty stuff.
please explain what you mean with hot or nato loads - is tha tan power factor over 120,130, 140,150 I really don't understand this hot load discussions - please give me number - I shot my tungstens 50N down to 120 without problem I did shoot it around 127-130 and right know I have it around 138 - I don't really shoot slower splits because of it, Im below 0,2 on 10 meters with 1,5 inches but have more margin when hitting popper in IPSC read could hit them lower and they fall. An popper is set up to fall if you have an power factor of 125 and hit it in the "head" from the shooting distands on the station @@onpsxmember
Bought one and immediately bought the ZR spring and guide rod with it knowing this in advance. I still felt the recoil impulse was substantially different, in a bad way, from a Glock or M&P. I no longer own that PDP.
@@josephsantana3094 fair enough, to each their own. While the PDP is still somewhat "snappy" with the 15lb spring, I find that it returns to zero so damn good that it just doesn't matter. I'm faster with my 4" PDP than I am with my glock 19 because of how well it returns to zero/how easy and fast it is to regain sight picture.
I like the VP9 and the Glocks
How’s that VP9 trigger?
In my experience shooting them side by side the only better thing about the HK is the grip, everything else is mid at best
PDP has better ergos and trigger, Glock has lower bore axis and lower felt recoil.
But if you're looking for a plastic fantastic, don't overlook the CZ P10 and Springfield Echelon. They have some of both.
Careful Ben…the PDP fanboys will tell you to work on your grip. It’s not the gun. It’s never the gun.
Good points on both. Now that you’re on a QC roll how about a primer drop test on the p320? Skip it on the PDP since nobody I know has ever done a ND on one 😅and I trust German built stuff to not do stuff like that
Would love to hear more of your thoughts on the 92 vs other DA/SA guns. I know you shot them for about a decade; did you get tired of em after all that time, or do you still enjoy the platform?
The platform?
@@HWG-wm8ldya know kinda like a boat dock
Or Olympic high diving
Any idea why the Gen 5 G34s are so hard to find?
Do you happen to have a steyr L9 lying around?
I just cant figure out why the PDP is so HYUGE
Good genetics
What is the red dot on that glock? A type of holosun?
2:55 would anyone know what brand the plug he has in his grip is from ?
Would appreciate some education. If I understand correctly the wulff firing pin spring is not compatible with staccato c2 and cs and I think P. Is there a spring you would suggest particularly for C2? Thank you.
He only has the xc
My beretta 92 model m9a3 with a slide from a 2024 gts was deemed illegal for open division even for uspsa
Is it a 92 or M9? Can’t be both
People spend the $100 to fix the glocks biggest problem, the trigger. Do the same thing for the pdp and it will change how you feel about its snappyness. I put the sprinco recoil assembly in my pdp and imo its less snappy than my glocks, even my wifes 17 with a dpm recoil assembly. Food for thought.
I have Glocks and PDP’s. I agree with everything you said. Glock is definitely softer to shoot than the PDP. They are both good tho for sure. Also, the PDP is almost too ergonomic ( if that’s possible ) with its grip. For hard use I certainly would choose Glock over PDP.
So you're saying PDP with a comp or steel frame would be perfect?
@@WaterZer0 a Glock with a steel frame or comp would still out shoot a PDP with steel frame or comp. Apples to Apples a Glock shoots better than a PDP
@@nativearthling It's time for the Glock SF. Wait they already did that.
Uhh... Glock 50 which is a Glock 17 but with a steel frame.
Is that steel frame PDP?
PDPs are just so nice
I’m dying to know what you think of the VP9
It’s a solid gun. You don’t need validation for your purchase.
I love the 2 full size 5 inch PDP’s. I’m not one that thinks “Glocks suck” by any stretch. I’ve had a few. My first one was back in ‘89 was a Glock 17. The. In ‘93 I got a 21 in .45 acp. Why a .45? Why not? Then I got a 19 in 2000. It a couple years ago I bought the PDP. Then 6 months later I bought another one. One for irons and one for my optic. Is it better than the Glock? I think it’s just as reliable and honestly I thought it looked cool. Others disagree and hate the way it looks. But my PDP makes me want to train. So that’s a win for me.
45 is great when on the offensive side and the job is in and out.
Does the PDP have the same dead trigger issue as the Q5 when the silde is out of battery.?
It was resolved with PDPs beginning with serial number FDZ and after. E.g., FDZ, FEA, FEB, FEC, FED, etc.
@raptor008v2 thanks for the info. good stuff!
@@blankman6626 You bet. Just went through this myself.
Any opinions on the vp9?
I think it’s a decent gun. After fiddling with the mag release on the trigger well for a little bit I started to like that feature. It also racks real easy when you slap the magazine in with authority which makes me feel like John wick. Imo anything is cooler than a glock and I used to have glockoma when I was younger first getting into pistols
Both are solid and are my two go-to striker fired 9s. Glock shoots softer out of the box, but the PDP has way better ergonomics and a better trigger. Both eat a wide variety of ammo with no issue.
They are both the guns of all time.
Weird comparison question, could you compare a glock 19 to a 34? I'm curious at what point does a 19 begin to hold a person back in terms of speed?
Can you do a video on ar15's regarding competition? Can't decide what brand to buy because it sounds like getting into a religion with these things
He has done plenty of those.
At what level did what gun you ran start to matter? The trigger, reset, etc?
Are you familiar with lazy Wolf on u-tube?
@@bellcoolmountain6650 yes! Very much so.
@@jonathanfrost944 lazy Wolf talks about a fix to the safety issues with the Sig P320. I like Bruce Grey's manufactured p320 uppers. Isaac Lockwood and Mason Lane prove the P320 is a capable pistol. I also hate Sig Sauer.
What's the reliability been with CZ P10 F?
Personally, my F and multiple C’s have been 100%. Until I put an HBI -15% spring in then it doesn’t set off CCI500’s or Rem 5 1/2 reliably. Sticking with Federal 100 or WSP primers.
Flawless
Pdp’s are snappy, but in my experience you just get used to it. Even with a 15lb spring it is still snappy. But go to a match and just shoot what you have, as long as its reliable and safe your skill matters wayyyy more.
Thoughts on the p10 line vs glock?
Definitely better out of the box. You can get an optics ready CZ for less than a standard blue label Glock.
A better comparison would be a P10C/F vs Glock 19/17/34. PDP has great ergos and a good trigger but return after recoil is terrible. Snappy is the word everybody uses and I agree. But part of that issue is that it doesn’t return to the target as fast as a CZ/Glock. My split times are measurably longer with the PDP. Do a back to back Bill drill and you’ll feel it.
He has and on video. His times are close enough to be within margin of error. He did say it was slightly more difficult to track the dot but that the slide would track back to the target quickly enough that it didn’t slow him down even if it felt more slow in his mind while shooting.
What do you mean “better comparison”? The video isn’t about which guns are most similar. He made a video giving an opinion on the two because people have been asking for his opinion between the two…..
How does the PDP steel frame compare?
Would like to get an answer to this as well. If only that steel pdp wasnt that pricey...
Shoots more like the 92.
If you could combine Glock’s low bore axis with the PDP’s trigger and ergos, it would be the best striker fired gun of all time, by far.
Isn't the dig on the Glock grip vs. all these new copy cats that are said to be more naturally pointing because of Glock's intentional design for wrist (skeletal) lock up?
Opinions on quality Glock Clones for CCW/Duty use? (Shadow Systems, Bul Armory, ZEV)
It’s funny how every time someone makes a Glock clone it is way less reliable than the original thereby undermining any improvements it offers and not justifying the often higher cost
Please stay away from Zev, they are finicky as all get out, I learnt this lesson the hard way.
I think that yes, you can possibly get them cheaper or more to your liking, but it'll be stick with a Glock. They are, for the most part, known for their reliability.
They are for people that like the looks of something over spending that money on education and practice.
"quality" hahahah. working at a range i would constantly see all these flavours of glock clones malfunction in ever way imaginable
When you think of the PDP as a 3rd or 4th gen PPQ, because that’s what it is, it’s just as proven and reliable as any Glock gen whatever on the market
Why did you go away from the Beretta’s??
Probably due to the inability to run optics and the simplicity of Glocks.
Yes, I know they can now.
Which gun shoots faster/gets back on target faster? Your interview w/Red Shirt, the gentleman acknowledged the PDP has more felt recoil, but that the PDP actually got on target faster than every other gun they tested. Would love to see some actual data e.g. bill drills/ splits vs one another
The results will not be the same for all shooters. Do your own homework
@@HWG-wm8ld Yeah yeah I get it, just a simple question I asked to get one person's (Ben) perspective who has both. It's the best info I can obtain at the moment because I LITERALLY cannot do my own homework. What I mean is that my state doesn't allow people to buy the PDP. Let me guess your follow up, well move then. Yeah they're out of Uhauls right now.
Nope, my closet friends and ex live in CA, I know it’s not easy to pick up and move.
What you are looking for isn’t a polymer frame. Find something with an aluminum frame, I’ve used their CZs and they shoot great.
i’m P99 old school…
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It's probably me with my small hands, but PDP is the worst shooting Striker handgun Ive tested. Stock 320 is bad too but PDP is just so uncomfortable and unpleasant to shoot. And I've shot new Steel frame Match and it still doesn't feel as good as a glock
Poor little fella
As a beretta 92 owner myself, why did you leave beretta?
He joined Tanfoglio as a sponsored shooter and they asked him to switch to their platform
Platform? Like high dive competition
@@HWG-wm8ld it’s a common phrase and metaphor. “Changed his tune” “followed a different crowd” “crossed to the other side” etc.
Beretta vs. CZ?
Trendy beard or clean shaven?
@@HWG-wm8ldBeard!
The PDP has a great trigger, but that’s about it. Mine had terrible fit/finish and was snappy. The slide was extremely loose fitting and would rattle like a paint can. Over-rated, junk.
Try if you can limp wrist both.
O wow I was going to ask haha
Would like to see some hard testing on the Shadow Systems platform!
Wrong channel
If a gun objectively feels better in your hands, but shoots more "snappy," doesnt that negate the "good feeling," you get?
Amateurs talk about how good it feels and how accurate a pistol is.
PDP is so snappy for being a 9MM. It’s actually astonishing.. and don’t tell me I’m a girl because I can easily shoot my G23 faster and more accurately than my PDP. The slide is way too big for that gun. Bore axis is garbage
PDP rattles
Out of the box ? PDP hands down not even close
Glocks just don't do it for me. There's so many guns I'd rather spend my money on. 🤷♂
It's important to get a gun that you think is cool. Lettuce be cereal, all of us are in this hobby because we think this shit is cool. We make weekly trips to Costco, not Afghanistan. Sure, we can fantasize about SHTF or being John Wick all we want, but let's not pretend if shit really hit the fan it's not the diabetes but the zombies that's gonna get us first.
The PDP is pretty cool
IF YOURE GAYYYYYY HAHAHAHAHA
PDP the best
You like a Glock Fan Boy I own them both and the PDP is way better out the box
I’m over these striker fired polymer frame pistols. Boring. Seen one seen them all basically. I’ll take an “old school” Beretta 92FS or SIG P226/229 etc
I tuned in just to hear you say Glocks aren't dependable...hoping for more controversy and pot stirring.
P320 still on the no-go list, Ben? I’ve found when they work they really work but there’s still a ton of lemons that seem to be floating around.
Kiss your guns goodbye
Never
@@HWG-wm8ld its coming
The PDP is one of the ugliest pistols ever created. I know that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but I just can't get over it.
Is this deniro?
@@HWG-wm8ld Lol!
PDP and VP9 the sexiest guns ever made. I choose PDP over VP9 because of mag release of HK is ridiculous.
And Glock doesn't looks like a real pistol, but a toy gun for babies.😅
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Got a DPD F series for my girl, its perfect fitting for her smaller hands, the slide had a great grip so easy to rack it.
Cons
More impulse when shooting it,
Less aftermarket parts. Specially for us in the euro zone.. funny huh but thats related to the complexity of U.S export.
My biggest concern is the ability of maintenance. PDP is pretty complex in way of a full strip.
Glock is soo munch relaxed