@@Serenity_S3 I have no idea The Knight has the potential to kill literal gods. I mean, look what happened to the Radiance. However, he is a bug, and if he is bug sized Omori would be able to take him out easly with a fly swatter or something.
If you think about it they're quite similar Sunny is human and the Knight is a bug, in that way, the Knight doesn't stand a chance, even though I don't think they ever tell the height of the Knight, which could probably be taller than omori. I dont think so tho. The only way the Knight can fight omori is in sunny's dreams, which he can easily enter using his sword The dreamworld is a superficial world above black space, which is its true nature The Knight can control the abyss, which can be seen in his fight with the radiance, inside Hollow knight's dreams, implying the abyss is not only in his bug World, but in everyones Dreams, or at least in the Hollow Knight ones As we know, sunny also has an abyss, which is controlled by omori (I havent played the hikikomori route yet), so... I think wins the one who gets total control of the abyss
I realized something. When you play as Omori, the dialogue options are "Fight!" and "Run...". The punctuation, however, flips when you play as Sunny. The game was telling you Sunny was trying to run away from everything for his whole life, right from the first battle as him.
The first SOMETHING, the fear of heights. The second SOMETHING, the fear of spiders. The third SOMETHING, the fear of drowning. The fourth SOMETHING, the fear of the truth. The fifth SOMETHING, the fear of himself.
Omori and something seems to be two separate entity. Am I the only one thinking that something is not actually trying to harm Sunny? But rather to help him accept his guilt and becoming a better person by making him face his greatest fear. When Something kidnap Basil in White Space, it must be because it wants Sunny to reach his hand to the real Basil and realise that his friends in White Space are completely fake and empty. Every fight with something, Marie help us by giving us a new move that makes the fight a peace of cake... well... knowing that Mari IS Something that makes sense. I feel like when Something appear in the mirror it doesn't say "I hate you." but "Don't forget.". Omori in the other hand wants to kill Sunny and make him stay away from his friends (and just stay in White Space until the very end). You know the "door jumpscare"? The distorded face of Marie seems to appear at the end of Omori boss fight and in one of the door of Black Space. With this I think that Omori have created this halucination to scare Sunny and make him feel even more guilty. When you see it in the mirror it clearly says "murderer".
ill say it once and ill say it again, you can FEEL that determination, yet its hesitant, you can feel that he's scared. Its so beautiful....and it only gets distorted and drowned out by this screaming, laughing...you can just feel the hatred towards himself, the anger, the sadness, its all so beautifully put into both pieces..
@@lonecalzone6901 Touchè. It was kinda dumped on him in retrospect. Really,Sunny would be better off being a Fantasy Author. He seem to have the potential,if Headspace is anything to go off.
@@cilinydd9637 i somehow managed to get it They said d: "Touche It was kinda dumped on him in retrospect. Really,Sunny would be better off being a Fantasy Author. He seem to have the potential, if Headspace is anything to go off"
OMORI will not succumb. But Sunny? That's a different story. You can't kill trauma, but trauma can kill you, and that's why overcoming it is all that matters. Because you either move forward and accept who you are, or become an empty husk, devoid of emotion, only apathy lingering.
That hits hard. I've been living this exact truth since I was born, raised by two narcissistic parents. I almost lost that fight. I tried to end my suffering and nearly died. Never again. It isn't a matter of CAN it kill you. When you hold on, it's a matter of WHEN. Nobody has infinite energy to fight. Nobody. You either face it and heal...or it kills you. It WILL kill you. Almost 40 now...and there are STILL times those lies creep into my head. 'It would be better to die.' 'You deserve to die'. They are LIES. I'm sorry for the emotional rant...the comment just hit so, SO hard.
The symbolism of Omori being a representation of guilt and his boss song being almost entirely a somber VIOLIN mixed with distorted piano tones.... It hurts man.
Especially when you consider what the piano means to him. It is intertwined with his sister, Mari, and the fact that the piano is distorted in this song makes me think the distortion is caused by his guilt. The piano notes are distorted, and so are any happy memories he has of his sister because he's overwhelmed, instead, by his guilt and depression.
I feel like OMORI is more of representation of self-hatred born from the guilt, mainly because of lines like “You loved her, and you killed her.” and “You should just die.”
It’s really depressing when you realize the whole time you’ve been grinding and leveling up to fight bosses in the dreamworld, you’ve just been powering up the side you want to forget. You’ve let the guilt carry on too long and now you have created another part of you that’s now able to overcome.
I don't think I've seen a better depiction of guilt and depression in just about any medium before this game. At last a story that doesn't try to pretend like overcoming fear and shame and self-loathing is as simple as "believing". The fact that Omori "does not succumb" to me just screams of the incredible resilience of a person's inner voice to fight back. There's sadly no reason why those dark voices can't make sense if you listen to them long enough and it goes to show how sometimes it really can become a terrifying experience before you can even try to overcome it. Even then, it's not like the consequences of Sunny's actions will just leave him forever but it's beautiful that this battle could represent the first steps in taking back the direction of one's mind and life even when it's straight into the most painful parts of their past. I can't believe how much I love this game.
Another fun bit is you don't win by beating your depression with a bow. You beat it by looking to friends and family for support, and when all is darkest, you choose to continue instead of giving up.
The fact that this entire fight was Sunny trying to fight himself from committing suicide, makes this song so much sadder. I came back after getting his knowledge and it.. really breaks me. It hurts so much, this game wrote this so well, the words that OMORI says to Sunny will always personally hurt, it feels like OMORI is not only talking to Sunny but to the player looking in as well.
Most people seem to think OMORI wants to hurt Sunny. I don't think that's the case. OMORI was created to protect Sunny from the truth. By remembering the truth, Sunny is threatening to hurt himself. So, OMORI decides that there's only one way to protect Sunny from himself- By making sure Sunny never hurts again. And the only way to do that... The only way to permanently end the pain... Is to end Sunny.
Those willing to take their own lives do not for the love of dying but the pain of not being able to live. They die because they want to live, because they been taught that death is this ethereal realm of utter peace and infinite happiness for some and they want to go there, into that state where the bodily feelings press no more
If you really listen closely during the final part of the fight when the distorted voices come in... You can hear a girl say things like "Sunny!", "No!", "Stop!" along with bumping noises and such.. I feel like this is the part of the fight where he's starting to break down mentally, hating himself more and more which is why Omori keeps getting stronger and stronger. The sounds in the background must be him remembering the whole moment all over again, reliving it in his head in every little detail as he struggles to finally find peace...
Throughout this whole game, I never died unless they were scripted or several of the real life segments which honestly I do not count since they aren't designed for a fair fight. But I fought omori here and I died twice before reaching the final duet. This moment was such a powerful experience to me, the unimaginable pain and patience Sunny needed to overcome the very thing that kept him alive through the course of 4 horrifying years of pure isolation. Not only from his friends but his family itself. Perhaps its just me but it seems highly unlikely a parent would leave their son alone for days straight with almost to no food for him. No parent would let this slide, not to mention he is their only son. Its mentioned how the parents probably do know what Sunny did and they undeniably resent him for it. Nowhere in this boss sequence did Sunny ever have the glimpse of his mother giving him the hope and forgiveness he needed. He had no one to go to yet Omori was there to comfort him. Comfort is something everyone can associate with. Damaged people resort going back to abusive relationships just for the comfort in their own minds programmed to remain unhinged by their own traumatic experiences. Anyone can understand Sunny, for that reason fighting Omori becomes more daunting by the second. You don't want to do this...but you have to...you need to. Every time I died it felt as if Sunny came back again to face acceptance for his actions. Through all the muddled ignorance he built up for so long he will finally persevere his own demons. For that becomes a slow descent not much or less painful than the last. You feel the weight behind every slash, every single time you take time to cherish the people you needed all along, every time you calm down to pull yourself back together. It all counts, omori won't hesitate just as much as Sunny won't either. This ending and boss is one of the most beautiful and compelling things to ever exist in this medium. It made such a huge impact on me that I'm not sure if I'll ever touch this game again, maybe I'll return to see Sunny in my menu and hear the soothing sound of knowing that he is now in a better place. How would I ever want to disrupt that? I really started rambling here and my message will probably be buried with the rest. But my love and message towards this moment will forever remain eternal. Kudos to Omocat and the rest of the team. I always believed in all of you too, I waited and would have waited more to experience this game. This truly was a once in a lifetime experience. Thank you.
I had the same thoughts! Omori protected Sunny during all those years, and seeing the latter try to erase the former was very heart wrenching. But it had to be done if Sunny needed to move on with his life, he needed to erase both Omori and White Space to actually live in reality. I could now understand the comments from the Steam community when some said that they wished they could experience this game for the first time again. It's just so beautiful
Well, his father at least is hinted that he knows, because theres an npc in the dream world that everytime omori tries to interact with it, it just repeats “you are not my son, go away” So.... yeah, probably his father hates him
the fact that omori does not succumb means that the guilt sunny bears will always linger. but through overcoming this and learning to accept reality is a step forward. it goes to show that our regrets and guilt will always haunt us, but choosing to fight and doing the right thing is better than giving up.
Yeah but the thing is killing someone you love especially your own family members its really difficult moment to forget. If I was him, I would also kill myself as a self punishment to my own actions.
when i played this part it was so painful for me because i thought i was killing the only thing that actually made Sunny happy, but then Omori started saying all of those horrible things about 'she loved you and you killed her' and i realised that the true enemy here is actually Omori. I also realised how messed up it is for Omori (a child) to be carrying around a knife
The odd thing I felt was that Kel acted like it was a normal thing so did Sunny carry around a knife as a child like Omori, or is Kel just kind of oblivious?
The violin itself is a simple loop, but the slow corruption creeping up in the background followed by the literal sounds of insanity fighting the violin for control of the song just nails the vibe of this fight so well.
The distortion is my favorite. It perfectly encapsulates the storminess of that kinda stuff going on in your head. It sounds alot like death industrial
The sound of the Violin shows how much regret and grief Sunny had over the past few years, The sound of struggling to forgive yourself over what you've done, The sound of the ambience, calm yet grief, It's sad.. Yet beautiful, and I think that's what really meant to be forgiving yourself after the amount of hatred, it's pathetic but, we still keep going, I see a lot of myself in Sunny and OMORI to be honest, and it really reminds myself over what've done, it's sad Edit: Whenever I hear this song, I'll always be reminded of that feeling, but hey.. It's getting a bit overwhelming for you to reading this bullshit, thanks
@@cilinydd9637 Omori is an empty shell that Sunny was using to go to White Space. With time passing and Sunny beginning to overcome his fears and Something. White space and Omori were supposed to disappear sooner or later. Except that Omori started to become more than just an empty shell (it begins when he stab Basil). It looks like while Something is the embodyment of Sunny's guilt over the framing of his sister's death, Omori has become the very thing that Sunny hates the most. Himself. In the boss fight, the dialogues show how much Sunny hates himself for killing Mari and abandonning his friends when they needed him the most. Omori is his hate, his violent habits, his self-destructive urges and many other bad things.
each time we see Sunny solo in a fight, he’s against one of his fears. we can also note that Omori’s design is based off of how Sunny looked the night he pushed Mari down the stairs, or well, the night everything began. the phobia Sunny is fighting is the fear of the boy he saw in the mirror that night-himself. the reason why Omori is so evil is not because he’s a physical representation of Sunny’s inner feelings, it’s actually something else. Omori is everything that Sunny saw himself as that night. A murder. and yet, that’s only Sunny’s depiction of who Omori is. as we saw in the dreamworld, Omori was just a kid who wanted to be with his friends and his sister. if Sunny had paid attention, he would’ve realized sooner that the murder he thought he was was just a kid who wanted to be happy.
Indeed. Sunny's perception of himself is that he's an unforgivable monster, but any objective observer could see he never meant to kill his sister. Hell, he didn't even want to hurt her. He was just doing what little kids do and acting out against their sibling. It's not even that uncommon for kids to push each other down stairs. You don't want to encourage that of course but a lot of brothers and sisters have acted out in that way against each other. Kids do stupid things. They don't expect that those reckless, stupid actions could end in one of them badly hurt or dying. That it could actually mean the loss of someone they love dearly, forever, at their own hands no less. It just doesn't enter their heads in that moment because they're children. Which makes it all the more horrifying when something truly irreversible does happen, because you know it's not totally their fault, but they'll never be able to believe that. And this is exactly what happens with Sunny. Of course it would make him hate himself and retreat from reality, because what nightmare could possibly be worse than facing the truth? Why wouldn't such a young, vulnerable mind want instead to just bury himself into his own personal wonderland, remembering days in which he were happy with all the people he loved and nothing bad ever happened? Hell, grown adult trauma victims often turn to drugs and alcohol for exactly this same reason, to escape reality. How much worse for a child?
@@shadowboy2818 Yeah, pretty much. The indication is that if Sunny doesn't come clean about what happened right now, the grief will eventually lead all of his friends to fataly end their lives. In the worst ending, for example, when Basil kills himself, everyone is once again grief stricken, and Aubrey blames herself. Implying she might be the next to die out of guilt. And following that, Kel and Hero would eventually meet a similar fate if they aren't careful in the ways they cope with their compounding grief (and the likelyhood of them surviving is even slimmer if Sunny killed himself as well).
It's really sad. The thing you've been doing almost this whole game is avoid the truth and the guilt. If you think about it, if you did every sidequest to try to squeeze the Dream World as much as you can, it's like if you tried to avoid continuing as much as possible. In the end, the dream world isn't as dreamy as one thinks and I ended up being terrified of it when I understood that this was Sunny's perfect world inside his head, all just to avoid all his guilt. Everything will be okay, but the only thing that was keeping you, SUNNY, from being okay was yourself.
some may say that the ream world is too disconnected from the actual story, but that's the point. The dream world is ddisconnected because its a distracton. It exists to make sure that SUnny never faces the truth. OMORI exists for that purpose.
This is the first game in a while to actually shake me to the core and completely catch me off guard. The final segment of the game after the Deep Well really changed everything for me, and blew my mind. This game was amazing.
This is a true horror game. the horror of depression, of guilt, and the horror that you cannot just get rid of it easily. And the horror of having done something unforgivable.
@@sarafontanini7051 Most of horror as a genre, as I see it, comes from some external threat. A horror in the form of something or someone who wants to kill the main characters. But..this is honestly the first, the _only_ thing considered horror that I can think of where the main character _is_ the horror. The main character, his fear, regret, and guilt..and Omori, the visual representation of everything that was repressed. I only beat the game about an hour ago now, and..man, especially for such a unique concept for a horror game, OMOCAT really made something truly beautiful.
@@AllToastersToastToast I might give a shoutout to Undertale's genocide route, too. The horror there comes from the player being conflicted between "this is wrong, these characters don't deserve this, I should stop" and "I have to know what happens, I have to know how this ends".
i just imagined them with basil in his hospital room hearing Sirens then running outside only to see their friend's head split open from the fall... oh god...
@@uncreative3715 I dunno if it would get THAT bad, but shit would definitely get worse. Basil would blame himself for Sunny's death since he's the one that injured Sunny and sent him to the hospital, along with bearing the guilt of being the only one that knows what happened to Mari. Everyone else would experience the WORST kind of emotional whiplash there is. The group that drifted apart after Mari's death finally reconcile and come back together, and they finally spend some time together like they used to. Then BOOM, in less than a day, they experience a similar tragedy that forced them apart to begin with. Maybe it might make them drift apart again, maybe it might make their bonds more stronger through grief. Either way, Sunny going out like that is going to have some serious consequences (besides the obvious one).
Honestly though, to me, the whole distortion part just sounds like Sunny and Mari fighting and Mari falling down the stairs. 34:51 Mari: NOooOO!! STOP IT!"
" _You've caused so much suffering... yet you do nothing. And so you've earned nothing in return._ " ☞ " _Your friends will never forgive you. They'll abadon you like you did them... and that's what you deserve._ " ☞ " _You tell yourself that you don't want to burden others... But the truth is that you're selfish. You just don't want people to depend on you._ " ☞ " _When do you think about others? How long are going to let people take care of you? You say you care but you're a liar. You've never done anything for anyone else. You're useless... less than useless. You're sick._ " ☞ " _People like you don't deserve to live. Your friends are wrong about you. The person they love isn't you at all. You let them believe in a lie to protect yourself._ " " _You're nothing but a liar... and when they see the truth... They'll hate you as much as you hate yourself._ " ☞ " _If they know the truth, you'll never be able to regain their trust. No matter what you do, it will be hopeless. All you'll do is make things worse. It would be better to just die._ " ☞ " _You_ killed _MARI_ . She loved you and you killed her. " ☞ " _HERO_ loved her and you killed her." ☞ " _AUBREY_ loved her and you killed her." ☞ " _KEL_ loved her and you killed her." ☞ " _BASIL_ loved her and you killed her." ☞ " _YOU_ loved her and _YOU_ killed her." ☞ " It would be better to just die. " ☞ " You should just die." ☞
The craziest part is I don't think it's actually Omori saying those things. I think those words are what Omori wants to silence by whatever means necessary. The pain that Omori wants to bring to an end, even if that end is death. Maybe Omori and Sunny really do both believe that they're doing what's necessary to defeat SOMETHING once and for all. Omori did not succumb. Omori WILL not succumb. But can he find it in himself to trust that Sunny won't succumb either? Or will Omori simply have to take charge and not succumb on Sunny's behalf?
@@underrated1524omori was made to get rid of anything that reminded sunny of the truth, which is why headspace basil went missing. It doesn't matter what reminds sunny of the truth omori will get rid of it, even if it's sunny himself
@@underrated1524notice the text box always points to the character speaking in battle but in this fight it doesn't point to Omori, it is your own conscience speaking. Not sure if its a small detail missed by the devs or intentional but just something I noticed during battle
Spoiler: Is it just me or did anyone else feel a tiny bit uncomfortable after starting a new play through that you were playing as the final boss of the game. Not only that but you’re also playing as the person/thing/enigma that was talking down to you and saying that you should just die?
Spoilers: That's partially why I cannot play the other route(s) after reaching the good ending. This story hit me so fucking hard I just can't disturb it anymore. I can't go through all the dream sections knowing what happens and dreading Omori's triumph in any variant of the hiki route. Like, if I do, it just feels... wrong. Purposefully making Sunny continue in his personal purgatory and ending it with his death feels horrible to me. Inhumane at times. This fucking game, I swear I'll not forget its story for at least a decade.
This is the most pain I have felt with any game or any form of media. Omori is so beautifully tragic, and yet all of that sadness ends up to be worth it in the end
I really love that in this game, we actually help a hikkikomori in a way that actually make sense. Many animes and other games just gloss it over as "they're lazy and need to work" or making the mc delves further into isekai/dream world. What they need the most us actually to accept themselves for all their flaws and regrets before they can move on. I hope this game's message improves the perspective on mental health in general.
And it's saying that they truly deserve love-from themselves and others. No matter how messed up they might be, they deserve to be treated with the compassion that any decent person would receive.
"One final showdown. Not with a goofy boss but with us, Omori. The part of us that hates ourselves. The part of us that isn't *really* us. The part of us that hurts ourselves. The part of us that looks *back* in the mirror. This is the ultimate battle, because we're fighting to get ourselves back..." -Nitro Rad
Fight. Fight to face the very thing you've feared for four years. Play. Play to remember the times when you were happier. When things were simpler. Calm down. Trust that your friends will forgive you when you tell them what you did. Focus. Focus on doing what must be done. Persist. Persist, so that you may overcome what you've repressed. Cherish. Cherish what you have reclaimed in these past days, and press on when you feel you've lost.
You wanted to be anyone else to hide from the pain. It was better to lay in bed and to imagine a world where everything was okay. Where your friends saw you as someone loving and kind, where you didn't hate yourself. The unfortunate thing about depression and guilt. Is that you cannot run from it. How do you run from yourself? You mask it and hide, pretend, until you aren't you anymore.
I like how it’s a far cry from how most battle themes are supposed to sound. This isn’t pumped up, adrenaline-filled music to kick ass to. It’s mournful.
It sounds exactly how the finale for this story should sound. They nailed it perfectly, and I will never forget this song. I have mad respect for composers who go off the beaten path, whether it's through feeling, time signature, or whatever.
Stuff like The Decisive Collision is what I love. I love it when these major fights have sorrowful feels to them. This one, though, it's pure sorrow. And I love it.
i physically cannot listen to this at night, for some reason - I think it's left an emotional blemish on me goddamn but genuinely.. this track is gorgeous
When I finished the game at night and i was on the last phase of this battle, I had to take off my headphones because i was too disturbed thinking the voices were Maris yelling at Sunny before (spoilers)---falling down the stairs.
Omori is a shortened Japanese term for hikikomori (which yes is the name of a alternative route in the game) a hikikomori is a person who ignores social contact and the word omori either means a "weight" or to "take care" in Japanese. In this fight sunny is literally trying to cut away a weight on his mind. I also found it really interesting but I'm not sure if it's relevant but in romanian omori directly translate to "kill"
@Just Ignore me That, and that Omori is also the representation of Mari's piano. According to some other commenter, Omori is black and white, and his shorts have vertical stripes. Kind of a physical representation.
It make so much sense, I remember reading about Omori's name in his blog once. To think so much pressure was on Sunny's mind, to the point it has manifested into his fear...
The word is actually "omoi." the play on words is that while it can mean "heavy," like the guilt sunny and basil carried for 4 years, it can also mean "emotions/feelings." a play on the battle system, but also on just how important sunny's feelings were before he shoved them all away to abandon reality and try to keep himself stable
@@olimpiatj8647 It’s also what the text box says every single time Omori takes damage that would be fatal, if you were wondering why it was being said.
It sounds as if he's trying to play it but can't get a good grip from all the pain and guilt. It sounds more and more distorted as it goes on, as if on verge of tears.
@@randomperson093 nah, other people in the comment section have heard it too. Some people are theorizing that those sounds might be flashbacks from his argument with Mari leaking in
It's kind of ironic that when we finally see Sunnys first emotion in the game and it's crying, but when that happened, I couldn't help but feel so happy. He's finally letting it out. he's finally moving on, he's finally free. It's so beautiful.
Sunny remembers to calm down, because if he hadn’t forgotten to calm down during the fight with Mari he wouldn’t have pushed her in anger and wouldn’t have developed a phobia of heights. if he had calmed down he also wouldn’t have panicked when he saw the spider. Sunny remembers to focus, because when he saw the spider he lost focus of what he was doing and only thought of the thing on his shoulder, falling from the place he was on and wouldn’t develop a phobia of spiders if he had focused on not falling. Sunny remembers to persist because if he hadn’t given up and tried to swim instead of waiting to be saved, he might have saved himself from the water and Mari wouldn’t have to fear her brother drowned and he wouldn’t developed a phobia of water. Sunny remembers to cherish because if he had cherished his real happy memories of his friends he wouldn’t try to escape into fantasy instead of locking away his memories.
This battle is what I think the beta original concept for the last boss in Mother 3 was... Really powerful, trully an example of storytelling through gameplay well done.
Friends, friends are supposed to be there for each other... - Kel I hope you find some kind of peace, or you know... some happiness... - Aubrey Last time... We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. This time, we will stay together. - Hero Maybe one day, things will go back to the way they were before - Basil You will forgive yourself... Won't you sunny? - Mari
You've caused so much suffering... Yet you do nothing. And so you've earned nothing in return. -YOU Your friends will never forgive you. They'll abandon you like you did them... and that's what you deserve. - KILLED You tell yourself that you don't want to burden others... But the truth is that you're selfish. You just don't want people to depend on you. -HER
This battle affected me on such an immense level. I never even really imagined Sunny striking Omori, but instead trying to persist and continue playing the violin. The song feels like Sunny is finally letting his emotions out through his music. It's raw, heartbreaking, and perfect. I wish there could've been more to the good ending, but leaving it ambiguous was probably the best call. Basil and Sunny are both okay. That's what mattered in the end
When Sunny enters the battle with 3 phobias, he started with Afraid emotions because his trauma finally caught up him. But when entering Battle with Mari's hung corpse and Omori, he started neutural because at that point, he had made up his mind that he will face them. And he started the battle himself. Sunny, what a champ.
As i first heard that violin and how Omori readied his knife to fight against Sunny, i literally froze in place as i experienced the coldest shiver throughout my entire body. This game is truly a masterpiece with its mostly cute gameplay and it’s horribly dark turn.
_A little descriptions of what the skills does, since they aren't explicity stated their effects in-game:_ *0 - Calm Down:* Heals 50% of max HEART and removes EMOTIONS. *0 - Encore:* Raises DEFENSE, and SKILLS will cost 0 JUICE for the next 3 turns. *19 - Allegro:* Strikes one enemy three times. (Damage scales with the enemy HEART) *0 - CHERISH:* Fully heals JUICE and HEART + raises all STATS, but is only usable once per phase. (OMORI has 6 phases) (also in the last two phases, CHERISH can be used as much as you want)
Also what OMORI can do: *Slash:* _strike one time. (medium damage)_ *Stab:* _strike one time, guaranteed crtical hit. (medium damage)_ *Hack Away:* _strikes 3 times. (medium damage)_ *Erase (phase 2):* _strikes 4-5 times. (low damage)_ *Erase (phase 3):* _strikes one time. (high damage)_ *Erase (phase 4):* _strikes one time, reduces STATS. (high damage)_ *Erase (phase 5):* _strikes one time, reduces STATS and inflicts AFRAID. (high damage, curable)_ *Erase (phase 6):* _strikes one time, reduces STATS and inflicts AFRAID. (high damage, uncurable after OMORI runs out of dialogue)_
@@retsrose actually, you technically can remove afraid emotion in phase 6. But it hardly can, since the normal calm down will be replace by the broken version after Omori says “you love her and you killed her”.
This game doesn’t feel the same when you replay it from the beginning AGAIN... before it felt warm, cozy, and safe in the dream world. Now it just makes you feel empty... makes you feel like omori...
And it does a VERY good job at doing this. At making the second play through feel almost unbearable knowing everything that happened and how he’s coping away from it
There never was a villain, only two halfs of one mind. One is filled with guilt and despair for doing something unforgivable. The other wants to finally overcome their past and move on. And be it with insufferable pain of guilt that feels like a stab through your heart, or with a melody that brings back happy memories, both want one thing. For the other half to accept them.
I like to think that OMORI, after hearing Sunny's acceptance of his feelings, his past, what he'd done and facing reality through his duet with Mari, realised he wasn't needed anymore. He'd been an embodiment for Sunny in the dream world to protect him from his past, from the painful truth of what he'd done and towards the end represented everything Sunny had to face - the lies he told himself to disconnect from reality, his self-hatred, his guilt and loneliness - but now he's not needed anymore. Sunny is strong enough to face reality without another alias, without another world, not as OMORI, but as Sunny.
I think of Omori not as the enemy, but as a friend. An unhealthy friend, but a friend all the same. So I think he was just proud of Sunny for overcoming the guilt and finally facing his mistakes.
@@slayre1408 He was a defense mechanism gone horribly awry, but at his core, he was doing what he thought was right to protect Sunny. Why would anyone ever want to face such a horrible truth about themselves? Why would anyone turn away from the bliss of ignorance to face THAT? And so he fought to conceal the truth. And once it was laid bare, how could anyone ever keep marching forward, knowing that about themselves? How could they live with that much guilt? And so he fought, to turn away from the pain of living life under such a burden. It's not until the Final Duet that Omori understands that this IS what Sunny wants. Sunny knows it will be painful, he knows it will be difficult, but he has decided that his friends and his life are worth bearing that burden for.
I normally don’t cry over video games, but this track…this specific part of the game…broke me. Throughout the game, I’ve had speculation over who the bad guy was, causing all of Sunny’s pain. At first I thought it was Mari, because when Basil dropped the photo in that one scene, he said Mari’s name with a look of terror. After a while, I thought it was Aubrey, because of her personality in the real world. For a time I thought it was Basil, because of how he kept saying “forgive me” in the latter parts of the game. I never in a million years would have imagined the “bad guy” all along was Omori himself. The character I’ve been controlling the majority of the game. Sunny’s guilt. I was worried that the final boss of the game would be too predictable. But this game absolutely blew my mind.
If you like this game, like I do - I think you'll like Silent Hill 2, it deals with a similar premise of grief, but I won't spoil too much in case you want to look into it.
This song is a perfect encapsulation of how well-written this game is. Even though not many people have gone through this exact scenario, it still manages to make such an awful tragedy feel so relatable. The violin in this song brings to mind pure, unabated despair.
To think, when I was only 14, I believed if I didn’t kill myself before high school then my death wouldn’t be meaningful, and no one would miss me. I’m 20 years old today. Omori was the game that showed me, showed me how someone’s death can affect the people around them for years. I remember my little brother, who happens to have a similar age gap with me to Mari and Sunny. We used to bicker a lot as kids, sometimes the arguments got physical. A lot of this game resonated with me, especially as I was isolated with no liscense during the pandemic. But nowadays, what truly punches me in the gut is picturing my little brother, who’s now the same age as Sunny, placed in that position. When I was 16 and he was 12, I could see how depressed he was becoming, I could see how he was going through what I had gone through at 14, and hell was still going through. And, after seeing the way Mari’s death rips Sunny apart, even though he was shy and closed off, it showed me in a very real way the truths I had been pushing away. That my brother, despite being an angsty 12 year old, loved me. And I loved him, even despite the arguments, and the misunderstandings, and the frustration that we weren’t on the same page. I’m so glad I found this game, because imagining my brother in Sunny’s position, with an older sister lost to suicide after an argument. Having to see me in the coffin. It destroys me, to think I would have put him and the rest of my family through that hell. But that’s what’s so scary about depression. You think you’re doing them a favor, you feel like suicide is the answer to the mistakes you’ve made and the shortcomings. It’s not. The answer is to Continue. I’m gonna give my brother a hug when I’m home from college.
I know a lot of people don't like him, but I love Omori. I relate to both of them, but Omori is even more akin to myself. Having to fight him hurt me, I know he's the bad part of Sunny, I know he was spouting horrible things to him but. His expression looked so pained, and with the music. It felt unfair. A creature who could not feel, born into this world to be destroyed or to destroy. Its so tragic.
I don't think Omori was saying anything during that fight. Omori's still the silent stoic main character he was in mindspace. Those words came from SOMETHING, an ambiance to set the scene of the fight just as much as the music and the hands. And Omori wanted to stop SOMETHING just as much as Sunny did.
..it's been 2 years, but- you know Omori isn't a being with feelings right? He's part of Sunny's head as a manifestation of his guilt, he's not actually alive
It pains me after I listen to this. Because both afterwards and the duration of the song I realize that there's no going back. I can't re-experience the game again. I can't go into the fight blindly again. I can't enjoy the game for the first time anymore. More and more of the thought, I realize that this is it. There is no second story, there's nothing. The whole game built up to a perfect final boss fight. The embodiment of guilt, trauma and fear.
This honestly rivals the final fight in mother 3 for me I was so fucking emotional throughout the final act and man the OST made the fight so painful and beautiful such a experience 10/10
Having to act as if nothing happened and being happy with your friends after such an event triggers so many thoughts, do I deserve this after what I’ve done? She’s always with me, is it ok to feel like this without her? Mari is always with him. As the “monster”.
Omori is not a separate person from Sunny, but is Sunny’s depressive subconscious which takes form as himself discolored. Omori is not literally fighting Sunny; Sunny is fighting his suicidal ideation.
I really appreciate how the game didnt try to justify sunny's actions and instead of the final boss being him destroying the evil version of himself its more about him coming to terms with who he truly is even if he is a terrible person and will lose all he loves by doing so
@@cattmilkk not really the hairy hanging thing represents his guilt and even in game some npcs in black space refer to omori as evil in a way they are close but they dont represent the same thing,omori from white space seems to represent his desire to be punished which is why hes antagonistic and tries to make sunny kill himself and omori from black space (the red one) is more like a cornered animal that desperatly tried to hide what he had done in his outburst of anger but in the most aggressive and bizzare ways,a good way to put it would be to say white space is the superego,sunny is the ego and black space is the id and yo cant really destroy them without destroying yourself which is way you cant beat the final boss only absorb him and accept that sunny is a bad person and finally stops blaming Basil and non existent monsters for what he did,its a very fascinating thing really
@@theamazingsplatzmo4835 I think that Omori is the part of Sunny who wants to hide in his dreams forever and never to face the truth of Mari's death. Not "evil", just scared, guilty and broken. Omori is still a good person in my opinion
SUNNY is a good person, it was an accident, and he felt broken and devastated for over 4 years after what happened. Mari wouldn't hate him nor she would want to see him like this.
So since everyone is going to say some of their thoughts, I kinda want to now. I doubt anyone will read this but it feels nice to let things out. I never played the game, but watched a play through and let me say this helped me realize so much. I related with Sunny in the sense of creating an escapism. Now I didn’t push my sister down the stairs or anything but my family life was complicated. The most I’ll say is that I live with my aunt (on father’s side) who I call mom and used to visit my (bio) mom and my siblings. I can’t visit my dad because I don’t have a passport but he did not leave willingly is all I’m going to say. I never really found this entire thing as a problem and never really realized I created an escapism until watching the play through of this game. This actually made me cry rather than the final duet because I related with fighting a part of yourself because you want to keep ignoring reality and think of your life ideally. Also, I am still young (age range 13-15 is all I’ll say) and I’m still accepting and figuring things out. Never really noticed I had problems lol. Anyway, that’s my input! Let me also say that I’m (pretty sure) in a good mental state so if anyone does read this, I’m pretty good! My family life is better significantly (more communication and stuff.)
I read it, and I'm really happy that you're mental health and wellbeing have improved, as well as your homelife. I hope things continue to improve, but either way, you got this 👍
Im glad to hear that. Comunication is important so i hope you can continiue that. Good for you! Also same i never played omori and just watch the playtroughs. I cant bring myself to play it, at least not alone 😂
I just wanna take some time to say that... if you are struggling from guilt, depression, suicidal thoughts, or even PTSD, you are valid... no matter how small the reason, you are a valid person, or persons, and you deserve to be happy once again. Even though it's hard, you still gotta get back up and fight it to the bitter end. I for one, struggle from guilt over how I treated my ex, in terms of jealousy. I struggle to find it in my heart to forgive myself, and the realization that... I will never have what I had with them again, even though I apologized, even though I told them I'm sorry... they moved on to someone else not long after... my heart was shattered, and now I live every day with the guilt, and the burden that... I fucked up, and I hurt them... and that they will never come back to me because of it... in a way, I relate to the words Omori says "She loved you, and you killed her" my ex never died... but, the words twist into something fitting for my situation every time. "They loved you, and you hurt them" "They loved you, and you never trusted them" guilt can hit people differently.. so can depression... and I just hope that I don't find myself giving up the fight against those feelings...
what hurts me the most about the bad ending is that sunny actually tried,for once in a long time he tried so hard but still failed in the end and threw himself off the building,and in my opinion thats sadder than any of the other endings.
not sure why but i think of sunny and his friends as his violin kel represents the tuning pegs, he would always try his best to fit his attitude in, even when sometimes it wasnt perfect and someone had to "turn it around" aubrey and basil represent the strings. they were both taken aback when they found out mari was dead. and they both had some anxiety, basil and aubrey were the same deep in their heart but they both dealt with it in different ways, basil shutting himself out and aubrey ghosting all of them, getting mad at them st the stsrt of 3 days left. aubreys the hogher notes (due to her 50/50 mental health after getting new friends ) and basils the lower notes (due to his mental health before and after splitting up with the group) omori/sunny represent the bow. all of their lives played on in sunnys head like it was a bow playing strings. even got realistic emotions snd happiness in his mind before facing the truth, could be symbolizing that the bow broke. hero and mari represent the bridge that hold the strings up. mari and hero were the ones who put them all together again. like a puzzle, hero snd mari almost always had a bright snd cheerful mindset. and when one peice of the bridge breaks, you have to get a new one. when mari died, that was like the bridge breaking. hero had to get a new life, without her. sorry if this doesnt make much sense, i just thougjt of it without doing much research on each part of rhe game
So last year I went through a really bad period of depression and this part really perfectly captured how it felt like. Feeling like I was fighting myself but at the same time always punishing myself for things that I’ve done or that I felt I could have done. Some of the things omori said really got me tearing up because it was almost the exact words I said to myself every time my depression went out of control.
A thin, pale figure with white long flowing hair stood in a white dress. The Judge speaks, and her voice echoes. "A little boy wanted a toy, but never got the chance to have nor ask for it. When he did, his mother told him he was selfish for wanting it. So, one day, he told his father he needed the toy for a school project. The boy and his father got into the car and went to the toy store. On the highway, closer to the destination than they were, there was another car that pulled over, and the person on the passenger side tossed dirty water out of a bucket and onto the road, freezing instantly. When the father drove up that highway, a dump truck skidded on the ice and crashed into his car. They are all aware of all people's roles: The boy's lie was the reason for them being in the area. The father placed himself and his son in the area. The passenger arranged a hazard in the area. The dump truck driver caused the hazard in the area. So, I ask you: Who is truly guilty?" (TBC in Omori: Slowed and Reverb by NoFall)
Maybe some spoiler- Honestly in that part of the game I cried like crazy, the story that the game has is very deep but I go beyond it. I think that one can get to feel identified with something in the game (I am not talking about the fact that "you" have muRd3r3D someone or something like that) such as getting away from your friends, how people can change... Personally, the part where Sunny fights Omori and what Omori says to him kills me inside, there are certain things he said that he took it very personal and made me cry out loud. It's like seeing my inner '' me '' saying those same things to me every day. Sometimes I feel like I won't be able to get up but I keep trying because I know that one day everything will be fine and that day I will be fine.
Unlike many other people, I dont think Omori represents guilt (for me something is what represents it). Omori represent the subconcious part of us that keeps us away from the pain, from what could traumatized, Omori is that defense system that all of us have, that's why Sunny couldn't remember the room where the toy box was, that's why Sunny erases inmediatly the memory of basil's rooms in the neutral ending, Omori keeps sunny away from the pain, he is not good or bad, is just a natural barrier. When we first meet Omori in One day left, he doesnt do anything to fight or stop sunny bc he does not percieve for that moment any attemptofor reveling the truth and therefore, sunny feeling pain for his actions. Our mind is goes that deep that in the attemp to protect us, it might tell us awful words that descourages us from accepting something that might hurt us, that's why Omori in his battle tells sunny those awful stuff. After the final duel, Sunny didn't manage to make Omori dissapear, you cannot disapear the inconscious part of you, you just can convice yourself that you can manage the pain and carry on (and eventually, the inconscious part of you will believe in it too)
The song of this fight is horribly beautiful as much as it is chilling, the fight starts with a somber violin, Sunny's instrument, later, the violin occasionally distorts and is joined by twisted piano keys, and then, those two instruments are finally joined by the whole memory, the argument between the two, the cries, the banging of a stairway. . .the ONLY voice you hear in the entirety of the game; the screams of your sister, are all muffled by a horrific static.
"You killed MARI...She loved you and you killed her!" "You'll forgive yourself...Won't you...SUNNY?" "HERO loved her...and you killed her!" "Last time...We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most.This time...we'll stay together." "AUBREY loved her...and you killed her!" "I hope you can find some peace...or you know...some happiness." "KEL loved her...and you killed her!" "Friends...Friends are supposed to be there for each other." "BASIL loved her...and you killed her!" "Maybe one day...things can go back to the way they were before." "You loved her...and you killed her!" "I have to tell you something." "You should just die." GAME OVER Do you want to continue? [YES] 👈 [NO]
nothing will ever beat how hard i was sobbing at the end of this game for the first time, especially over the "you loved her and you killed her" and the final duet
"She loved you, and you killed her." "HERO loved her, and you killed her." "AUBREY loved her, and you killed her." "KEL loved her, and you killed her." "BASIL loved her, and you killed her." "You loved her, and you killed her..."
"Hello Omori from OMORI."
"Hello Hollow Knight from Hollow Knight."
**violin noises*
**more violin noises*
I had a 1 hour debate with my friend whether omori or hollow knight would win in a fight, so this comment hits right in the heart
@@Serenity_S3 NO COST TOO GREAT
@@hyper5157 SERIOUS QUESTION
WHO WOULD WIN?!???
OMORI OR THE KNIGHT?!?!?!
-im pinning this comment sjsjk
@@Serenity_S3 I have no idea
The Knight has the potential to kill literal gods. I mean, look what happened to the Radiance. However, he is a bug, and if he is bug sized Omori would be able to take him out easly with a fly swatter or something.
If you think about it they're quite similar
Sunny is human and the Knight is a bug, in that way, the Knight doesn't stand a chance, even though I don't think they ever tell the height of the Knight, which could probably be taller than omori. I dont think so tho.
The only way the Knight can fight omori is in sunny's dreams, which he can easily enter using his sword
The dreamworld is a superficial world above black space, which is its true nature
The Knight can control the abyss, which can be seen in his fight with the radiance, inside Hollow knight's dreams, implying the abyss is not only in his bug World, but in everyones Dreams, or at least in the Hollow Knight ones
As we know, sunny also has an abyss, which is controlled by omori (I havent played the hikikomori route yet), so...
I think wins the one who gets total control of the abyss
I realized something. When you play as Omori, the dialogue options are "Fight!" and "Run...". The punctuation, however, flips when you play as Sunny. The game was telling you Sunny was trying to run away from everything for his whole life, right from the first battle as him.
That...I didn't even notice that tiny detail. Great find! :0
keen eyes
"you want to run"
This is only when facing the something's and Omori in the real world.
The daytime battles in the real world also have "FIGHT!" And "RUN..."
@@ashlight6107 he said "right from the first battle as him", and the first thing sunny faces is the fear of heights (or stairs idk) :v
KEL remembers SUNNY's request.
"KEL, I swear to god if you don't pay me back right now I will poison your breakfast."
KEL feels SAD.
LOL
Sunny Poisoned Mari With Stairs
@@ellennovo4450 bro..
hello
Nagito Komaeda On the Nintendo 2DS, it's i, Le trollge on the kfc console
@@ellennovo4450 you are not funny at all
The first SOMETHING, the fear of heights.
The second SOMETHING, the fear of spiders.
The third SOMETHING, the fear of drowning.
The fourth SOMETHING, the fear of the truth.
The fifth SOMETHING, the fear of himself.
im speechless
😶
Omori and something seems to be two separate entity. Am I the only one thinking that something is not actually trying to harm Sunny? But rather to help him accept his guilt and becoming a better person by making him face his greatest fear. When Something kidnap Basil in White Space, it must be because it wants Sunny to reach his hand to the real Basil and realise that his friends in White Space are completely fake and empty. Every fight with something, Marie help us by giving us a new move that makes the fight a peace of cake... well... knowing that Mari IS Something that makes sense. I feel like when Something appear in the mirror it doesn't say "I hate you." but "Don't forget.". Omori in the other hand wants to kill Sunny and make him stay away from his friends (and just stay in White Space until the very end). You know the "door jumpscare"? The distorded face of Marie seems to appear at the end of Omori boss fight and in one of the door of Black Space. With this I think that Omori have created this halucination to scare Sunny and make him feel even more guilty. When you see it in the mirror it clearly says "murderer".
I just realized, a lot, if not all, of the SOMETHING 'fights' take place on the stairs, don't they?
@@Xirce I don't know about this one, is the underwater one in the stairs?
the violin: ᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉᵉ
my tear ducts: *this is it.*
The fact that such a simple melody is able to give such emotions is a statement to how good the soundtrack of this game is.
This is why I love violins
this is an underrated comment imho
ill say it once and ill say it again, you can FEEL that determination, yet its hesitant, you can feel that he's scared. Its so beautiful....and it only gets distorted and drowned out by this screaming, laughing...you can just feel the hatred towards himself, the anger, the sadness, its all so beautifully put into both pieces..
*eeeeeeee*
It's fitting that the Final Boss Theme would have Sunny's instrument of choice as it's lead.
i mean, was it really "of choice"
@@lonecalzone6901
Touchè.
It was kinda dumped on him in retrospect.
Really,Sunny would be better off being a Fantasy Author.
He seem to have the potential,if Headspace is anything to go off.
@@almondjoy4938 damn it i cant see your reply because of how effin long that channel name is 😂
@@GengUpinIpin same omg its annoyng right?
@@cilinydd9637 i somehow managed to get it
They said d:
"Touche
It was kinda dumped on him in retrospect.
Really,Sunny would be better off being a Fantasy Author.
He seem to have the potential, if Headspace is anything to go off"
OMORI will not succumb. But Sunny? That's a different story.
You can't kill trauma, but trauma can kill you, and that's why overcoming it is all that matters. Because you either move forward and accept who you are, or become an empty husk, devoid of emotion, only apathy lingering.
Yes comrade, in Soviet Russia, you don't remove trauma, trauma removes YOU!
@@Sunny-ci7di YOOOOO RUSSIAN SUNNY
*"OMORI erases the enemy."*
I guess it makes even more sense when you think about it, huh
That’s already me lol. Empty
That hits hard. I've been living this exact truth since I was born, raised by two narcissistic parents. I almost lost that fight. I tried to end my suffering and nearly died. Never again. It isn't a matter of CAN it kill you. When you hold on, it's a matter of WHEN. Nobody has infinite energy to fight. Nobody. You either face it and heal...or it kills you. It WILL kill you. Almost 40 now...and there are STILL times those lies creep into my head. 'It would be better to die.' 'You deserve to die'. They are LIES.
I'm sorry for the emotional rant...the comment just hit so, SO hard.
my brother used to play the violin ......... think ill stay away from stairs for a while
do you by any chance have any plant obsessed friends
Do you by any chance play piano
are you by any chance dating your neighbor?
@@alexkatakuna2615 who are you talking about?
@@bluetophatanimations i think they are talking about HERO... Ithink
The symbolism of Omori being a representation of guilt and his boss song being almost entirely a somber VIOLIN mixed with distorted piano tones.... It hurts man.
Especially when you consider what the piano means to him. It is intertwined with his sister, Mari, and the fact that the piano is distorted in this song makes me think the distortion is caused by his guilt. The piano notes are distorted, and so are any happy memories he has of his sister because he's overwhelmed, instead, by his guilt and depression.
oh... that's a piano playing?
...
@@QweRinatrtY It's Violin and Piano.
You can hear the piano if you focus on it.
@@vedji1857 you can also hear distorted voices in the final part of the fight
I feel like OMORI is more of representation of self-hatred born from the guilt, mainly because of lines like “You loved her, and you killed her.” and “You should just die.”
It’s really depressing when you realize the whole time you’ve been grinding and leveling up to fight bosses in the dreamworld, you’ve just been powering up the side you want to forget. You’ve let the guilt carry on too long and now you have created another part of you that’s now able to overcome.
Thats deep as hell
Ahhhh, shit
My Omori was freaking level 50. Sunny had a rough time (With red ribbon, so he was even deadlier than usual)
@@alzhanvoid Enemy Omori's stats are set
@@MorphRed Yeah I realized. Such a shame, but I guess they didnt want to deprive people of lore just because they overleveled.
I don't think I've seen a better depiction of guilt and depression in just about any medium before this game. At last a story that doesn't try to pretend like overcoming fear and shame and self-loathing is as simple as "believing". The fact that Omori "does not succumb" to me just screams of the incredible resilience of a person's inner voice to fight back. There's sadly no reason why those dark voices can't make sense if you listen to them long enough and it goes to show how sometimes it really can become a terrifying experience before you can even try to overcome it. Even then, it's not like the consequences of Sunny's actions will just leave him forever but it's beautiful that this battle could represent the first steps in taking back the direction of one's mind and life even when it's straight into the most painful parts of their past. I can't believe how much I love this game.
Agreed! You summed it up beautifully.
just a random question but do you read books
@@uhhok7183 No I am completely illiterate actually as it happens it's tragic. Why do you ask?
Persona 5 Royal’s depictions are pretty good, but yeah, this completely takes the cake.
Another fun bit is you don't win by beating your depression with a bow. You beat it by looking to friends and family for support, and when all is darkest, you choose to continue instead of giving up.
The fact that this entire fight was Sunny trying to fight himself from committing suicide, makes this song so much sadder. I came back after getting his knowledge and it.. really breaks me. It hurts so much, this game wrote this so well, the words that OMORI says to Sunny will always personally hurt, it feels like OMORI is not only talking to Sunny but to the player looking in as well.
even in song, when disturbing noises came in, you can hear Mari screaming...
No, the words from omori are meant solely for sunny. This is sunnys story, either overcoming this trauma or succumbing to it.
It's not literally meant for the player, but they can definitely hit close to home for a lot of people, myself included.
@@Isiel42 yes, I agree with that
It’s even worse if the person playing the game was once or is suicidal
Most people seem to think OMORI wants to hurt Sunny.
I don't think that's the case.
OMORI was created to protect Sunny from the truth.
By remembering the truth, Sunny is threatening to hurt himself.
So, OMORI decides that there's only one way to protect Sunny from himself-
By making sure Sunny never hurts again.
And the only way to do that... The only way to permanently end the pain...
Is to end Sunny.
That hit hard..
He deletes Sunny in two ways.
Both routes basically.
Those willing to take their own lives do not for the love of dying but the pain of not being able to live. They die because they want to live, because they been taught that death is this ethereal realm of utter peace and infinite happiness for some and they want to go there, into that state where the bodily feelings press no more
If you really listen closely during the final part of the fight when the distorted voices come in... You can hear a girl say things like "Sunny!", "No!", "Stop!" along with bumping noises and such.. I feel like this is the part of the fight where he's starting to break down mentally, hating himself more and more which is why Omori keeps getting stronger and stronger. The sounds in the background must be him remembering the whole moment all over again, reliving it in his head in every little detail as he struggles to finally find peace...
Prob Mari.
@Dalvin They start from 31:12
@Dalvin OH MY GOD HOW DID I NEVER NOTICE THAT BEFORE
Bruh how the hell can you hear that?
@@RolyTroly64 because my ears stronk and I tend to listen to weird garbled messages so I'm used to it
Throughout this whole game, I never died unless they were scripted or several of the real life segments which honestly I do not count since they aren't designed for a fair fight. But I fought omori here and I died twice before reaching the final duet. This moment was such a powerful experience to me, the unimaginable pain and patience Sunny needed to overcome the very thing that kept him alive through the course of 4 horrifying years of pure isolation. Not only from his friends but his family itself. Perhaps its just me but it seems highly unlikely a parent would leave their son alone for days straight with almost to no food for him. No parent would let this slide, not to mention he is their only son. Its mentioned how the parents probably do know what Sunny did and they undeniably resent him for it. Nowhere in this boss sequence did Sunny ever have the glimpse of his mother giving him the hope and forgiveness he needed. He had no one to go to yet Omori was there to comfort him. Comfort is something everyone can associate with. Damaged people resort going back to abusive relationships just for the comfort in their own minds programmed to remain unhinged by their own traumatic experiences. Anyone can understand Sunny, for that reason fighting Omori becomes more daunting by the second. You don't want to do this...but you have to...you need to. Every time I died it felt as if Sunny came back again to face acceptance for his actions. Through all the muddled ignorance he built up for so long he will finally persevere his own demons. For that becomes a slow descent not much or less painful than the last. You feel the weight behind every slash, every single time you take time to cherish the people you needed all along, every time you calm down to pull yourself back together. It all counts, omori won't hesitate just as much as Sunny won't either. This ending and boss is one of the most beautiful and compelling things to ever exist in this medium. It made such a huge impact on me that I'm not sure if I'll ever touch this game again, maybe I'll return to see Sunny in my menu and hear the soothing sound of knowing that he is now in a better place. How would I ever want to disrupt that? I really started rambling here and my message will probably be buried with the rest. But my love and message towards this moment will forever remain eternal. Kudos to Omocat and the rest of the team. I always believed in all of you too, I waited and would have waited more to experience this game. This truly was a once in a lifetime experience. Thank you.
I had the same thoughts! Omori protected Sunny during all those years, and seeing the latter try to erase the former was very heart wrenching. But it had to be done if Sunny needed to move on with his life, he needed to erase both Omori and White Space to actually live in reality. I could now understand the comments from the Steam community when some said that they wished they could experience this game for the first time again. It's just so beautiful
@@hiyochi255 bro you play YTTD *and* Omori? You have good taste.
Wow... okay that's suprised me.
Well, his father at least is hinted that he knows, because theres an npc in the dream world that everytime omori tries to interact with it, it just repeats “you are not my son, go away”
So.... yeah, probably his father hates him
@@WasabiGoblin That's depressing.
the fact that omori does not succumb means that the guilt sunny bears will always linger. but through overcoming this and learning to accept reality is a step forward.
it goes to show that our regrets and guilt will always haunt us, but choosing to fight and doing the right thing is better than giving up.
200th like
420 hehe
and when it's a fucking bunny he does succumb
@@randombrazilianguy2556 HAHAHHAA
Yeah but the thing is killing someone you love especially your own family members its really difficult moment to forget. If I was him, I would also kill myself as a self punishment to my own actions.
The trinity of classic instruments:
-the Dark Plin Plin Plon
-The Hollow Sealed Vessel
-The Guilty Omori.
It is astonishing how high the impact of these OSTs were and how much they stood out.
Ahhhh
Holy trinity of pain
Bunny should i play hollow knight
@@kdot999 if you enjoy the rewarding exploration of metroidvanias, that's a yes.
Yeah this final boss reminded me of Plin Plin Plon alright
A complete battle against your guilt. One last fight to decide the fate of your life.
Will you decide to fight?
Or Will you dicide to give up?
That's only your choice
The decision must come from your voice.
@@Sunny-ci7di indeed
Courage is not a blinding light
But a spark saying ill keep trying
@@seantaggart7382
This came to mind when I saw Sunny pick himself up at the climax.
@@ubilwilbur4775 Nice
when i played this part it was so painful for me because i thought i was killing the only thing that actually made Sunny happy, but then Omori started saying all of those horrible things about 'she loved you and you killed her' and i realised that the true enemy here is actually Omori. I also realised how messed up it is for Omori (a child) to be carrying around a knife
@Vance Schluter DONT JUDGE ME IM REALLY DUMB :(
The odd thing I felt was that Kel acted like it was a normal thing so did Sunny carry around a knife as a child like Omori, or is Kel just kind of oblivious?
You know, carring a knife with you is 'normal' in some situations being a child, but i don't know how to explain it
Like an NPC says, Omori is evil but he protects Sunny as well.
@@DiHere. Sunny is 16 not a kid.
The violin itself is a simple loop, but the slow corruption creeping up in the background followed by the literal sounds of insanity fighting the violin for control of the song just nails the vibe of this fight so well.
And the distorted sounds of sunny and Mari fighting
The distortion is my favorite. It perfectly encapsulates the storminess of that kinda stuff going on in your head. It sounds alot like death industrial
The sound of the Violin shows how much regret and grief Sunny had over the past few years,
The sound of struggling to forgive yourself over what you've done,
The sound of the ambience, calm yet grief,
It's sad.. Yet beautiful, and I think that's what really meant to be forgiving yourself after the amount of hatred, it's pathetic but, we still keep going,
I see a lot of myself in Sunny and OMORI to be honest, and it really reminds myself over what've done, it's sad
Edit: Whenever I hear this song, I'll always be reminded of that feeling, but hey.. It's getting a bit overwhelming for you to reading this bullshit, thanks
thank you for sharing your feeling
That's deep, comrade.
Hey my guy I really agree with you, but I disagree in the pathetic part of forgiving yourself it may be sad but it's not pathetic
yeah, i really get what you mean, but didn't Omori was representation of Sunny's deppresion?
Or is it just what i thout?
@@cilinydd9637 Omori is an empty shell that Sunny was using to go to White Space. With time passing and Sunny beginning to overcome his fears and Something. White space and Omori were supposed to disappear sooner or later. Except that Omori started to become more than just an empty shell (it begins when he stab Basil). It looks like while Something is the embodyment of Sunny's guilt over the framing of his sister's death, Omori has become the very thing that Sunny hates the most. Himself. In the boss fight, the dialogues show how much Sunny hates himself for killing Mari and abandonning his friends when they needed him the most. Omori is his hate, his violent habits, his self-destructive urges and many other bad things.
This game was an emotional roller-coaster and honestly, this song made me bawl my eyes out as I was fighting.
I cried the most when they were by mari's grave and it said "do you want to have a picnic with Mari?" That broke me
@@ifartalot47 Saaame
When you play as omori and you almost die, the text is ''omori did not succumb''
But when you're fighting him the text is''omori will NOT succumb''
Shouldn’t the WILL also be in all caps?
actually no, did also appears in the fight before will
It is Omori did not succumb at the start,but after a few phases its Omori will not succumb, showing that you cant beat Omori
Omori will not cum
@@LuminoX688 god why
each time we see Sunny solo in a fight, he’s against one of his fears.
we can also note that Omori’s design is based off of how Sunny looked the night he pushed Mari down the stairs, or well, the night everything began.
the phobia Sunny is fighting is the fear of the boy he saw in the mirror that night-himself.
the reason why Omori is so evil is not because he’s a physical representation of Sunny’s inner feelings, it’s actually something else.
Omori is everything that Sunny saw himself as that night. A murder.
and yet, that’s only Sunny’s depiction of who Omori is. as we saw in the dreamworld, Omori was just a kid who wanted to be with his friends and his sister.
if Sunny had paid attention, he would’ve realized sooner that the murder he thought he was was just a kid who wanted to be happy.
Indeed. Sunny's perception of himself is that he's an unforgivable monster, but any objective observer could see he never meant to kill his sister. Hell, he didn't even want to hurt her. He was just doing what little kids do and acting out against their sibling.
It's not even that uncommon for kids to push each other down stairs. You don't want to encourage that of course but a lot of brothers and sisters have acted out in that way against each other. Kids do stupid things. They don't expect that those reckless, stupid actions could end in one of them badly hurt or dying. That it could actually mean the loss of someone they love dearly, forever, at their own hands no less. It just doesn't enter their heads in that moment because they're children. Which makes it all the more horrifying when something truly irreversible does happen, because you know it's not totally their fault, but they'll never be able to believe that.
And this is exactly what happens with Sunny. Of course it would make him hate himself and retreat from reality, because what nightmare could possibly be worse than facing the truth? Why wouldn't such a young, vulnerable mind want instead to just bury himself into his own personal wonderland, remembering days in which he were happy with all the people he loved and nothing bad ever happened? Hell, grown adult trauma victims often turn to drugs and alcohol for exactly this same reason, to escape reality. How much worse for a child?
dude...
[SPOILER]
We can also see that Sunny is seeing himself as Omori in Hikikomori Route. That makes more sense now.
Omori's design also resembles a piano which is the instrument mari played. His name is also the same brand as the piano
35:53 Shit man I didn't notice this until now but those hanged shadows are those Kel, Hero, Basil and Aubrey....Jesus.
Is that foreshadowing? Or is that omori guilt tripping sunny into thinking they will all meet the same fate as Mari if he kept on living
@@shadowboy2818 Probably the latter TT
@@shadowboy2818 Yeah, pretty much. The indication is that if Sunny doesn't come clean about what happened right now, the grief will eventually lead all of his friends to fataly end their lives. In the worst ending, for example, when Basil kills himself, everyone is once again grief stricken, and Aubrey blames herself. Implying she might be the next to die out of guilt. And following that, Kel and Hero would eventually meet a similar fate if they aren't careful in the ways they cope with their compounding grief (and the likelyhood of them surviving is even slimmer if Sunny killed himself as well).
Yea their just hanging out
@@akinato3710 Oh my god
It's really sad. The thing you've been doing almost this whole game is avoid the truth and the guilt. If you think about it, if you did every sidequest to try to squeeze the Dream World as much as you can, it's like if you tried to avoid continuing as much as possible. In the end, the dream world isn't as dreamy as one thinks and I ended up being terrified of it when I understood that this was Sunny's perfect world inside his head, all just to avoid all his guilt. Everything will be okay, but the only thing that was keeping you, SUNNY, from being okay was yourself.
some may say that the ream world is too disconnected from the actual story, but that's the point. The dream world is ddisconnected because its a distracton. It exists to make sure that SUnny never faces the truth. OMORI exists for that purpose.
My completionist ass, knowing full well that this is yet another indie game where getting to 100% completion is bad:
This is the first game in a while to actually shake me to the core and completely catch me off guard. The final segment of the game after the Deep Well really changed everything for me, and blew my mind. This game was amazing.
This is a true horror game.
the horror of depression, of guilt, and the horror that you cannot just get rid of it easily.
And the horror of having done something unforgivable.
@@sarafontanini7051 Most of horror as a genre, as I see it, comes from some external threat. A horror in the form of something or someone who wants to kill the main characters.
But..this is honestly the first, the _only_ thing considered horror that I can think of where the main character _is_ the horror. The main character, his fear, regret, and guilt..and Omori, the visual representation of everything that was repressed. I only beat the game about an hour ago now, and..man, especially for such a unique concept for a horror game, OMOCAT really made something truly beautiful.
@@AllToastersToastToast I might give a shoutout to Undertale's genocide route, too. The horror there comes from the player being conflicted between "this is wrong, these characters don't deserve this, I should stop" and "I have to know what happens, I have to know how this ends".
It was not. IT STILL IS
You see the hanged bodies' shadows behind OMORI during the last phase?
_"They're all different in heights..."_
friends' fate if you ended up giving up to omori
@@pepegatuturu oh my god...
@@pepegatuturu thats...not out of the realm of possibility, huh?
i just imagined them with basil in his hospital room hearing Sirens then running outside only to see their friend's head split open from the fall... oh god...
@@uncreative3715 I dunno if it would get THAT bad, but shit would definitely get worse. Basil would blame himself for Sunny's death since he's the one that injured Sunny and sent him to the hospital, along with bearing the guilt of being the only one that knows what happened to Mari. Everyone else would experience the WORST kind of emotional whiplash there is. The group that drifted apart after Mari's death finally reconcile and come back together, and they finally spend some time together like they used to. Then BOOM, in less than a day, they experience a similar tragedy that forced them apart to begin with. Maybe it might make them drift apart again, maybe it might make their bonds more stronger through grief. Either way, Sunny going out like that is going to have some serious consequences (besides the obvious one).
Honestly though, to me, the whole distortion part just sounds like Sunny and Mari fighting and Mari falling down the stairs.
34:51 Mari: NOooOO!! STOP IT!"
WOW I JUST REALIZED... now that song is even darker :(
I didn't notice it until you pointed it out... It gives me the chills every time now.
mari crying in the background in earrape mode
I thought i listened to this ost too much that i started hearing things but thank god i'm not going insane
DUDE WHEN I WAS IN A FIGHT WITH OMORI I ACTUALLY HEARD IT AND THOUGHT I WAS JUST CRAZY BUT NO GODDAMNIT
" _You've caused so much suffering... yet you do nothing. And so you've earned nothing in return._ " ☞
" _Your friends will never forgive you. They'll abadon you like you did them... and that's what you deserve._ " ☞
" _You tell yourself that you don't want to burden others... But the truth is that you're selfish. You just don't want people to depend on you._ " ☞
" _When do you think about others? How long are going to let people take care of you? You say you care but you're a liar. You've never done anything for anyone else. You're useless... less than useless. You're sick._ " ☞
" _People like you don't deserve to live. Your friends are wrong about you. The person they love isn't you at all. You let them believe in a lie to protect yourself._ "
" _You're nothing but a liar... and when they see the truth... They'll hate you as much as you hate yourself._ " ☞
" _If they know the truth, you'll never be able to regain their trust. No matter what you do, it will be hopeless. All you'll do is make things worse. It would be better to just die._ " ☞
" _You_ killed _MARI_ . She loved you and you killed her. " ☞
" _HERO_ loved her and you killed her." ☞
" _AUBREY_ loved her and you killed her." ☞
" _KEL_ loved her and you killed her." ☞
" _BASIL_ loved her and you killed her." ☞
" _YOU_ loved her and _YOU_ killed her." ☞
" It would be better to just die. " ☞
" You should just die." ☞
He stabs right on the heart
The craziest part is I don't think it's actually Omori saying those things.
I think those words are what Omori wants to silence by whatever means necessary. The pain that Omori wants to bring to an end, even if that end is death.
Maybe Omori and Sunny really do both believe that they're doing what's necessary to defeat SOMETHING once and for all.
Omori did not succumb. Omori WILL not succumb. But can he find it in himself to trust that Sunny won't succumb either? Or will Omori simply have to take charge and not succumb on Sunny's behalf?
What I call myself almost ever day
@@underrated1524omori was made to get rid of anything that reminded sunny of the truth, which is why headspace basil went missing. It doesn't matter what reminds sunny of the truth omori will get rid of it, even if it's sunny himself
@@underrated1524notice the text box always points to the character speaking in battle but in this fight it doesn't point to Omori, it is your own conscience speaking. Not sure if its a small detail missed by the devs or intentional but just something I noticed during battle
Spoiler:
Is it just me or did anyone else feel a tiny bit uncomfortable after starting a new play through that you were playing as the final boss of the game. Not only that but you’re also playing as the person/thing/enigma that was talking down to you and saying that you should just die?
Eh I'm a completionist at heart
Spoilers:
That's partially why I cannot play the other route(s) after reaching the good ending. This story hit me so fucking hard I just can't disturb it anymore. I can't go through all the dream sections knowing what happens and dreading Omori's triumph in any variant of the hiki route.
Like, if I do, it just feels... wrong. Purposefully making Sunny continue in his personal purgatory and ending it with his death feels horrible to me. Inhumane at times. This fucking game, I swear I'll not forget its story for at least a decade.
@Dalvin now thats a good reason for me to reply so i see it too 😃
where the final boss told sunny he should die? but omori is sunny.
the final boss is sunny talking to himself
@@mrboerger1620 im also a completionist at heart but also i just wanna go back man
I was like, "No fucking way" when that violin kicked in and I realized I had to fight Omori.
This is the most pain I have felt with any game or any form of media. Omori is so beautifully tragic, and yet all of that sadness ends up to be worth it in the end
I really love that in this game, we actually help a hikkikomori in a way that actually make sense. Many animes and other games just gloss it over as "they're lazy and need to work" or making the mc delves further into isekai/dream world.
What they need the most us actually to accept themselves for all their flaws and regrets before they can move on. I hope this game's message improves the perspective on mental health in general.
And it's saying that they truly deserve love-from themselves and others. No matter how messed up they might be, they deserve to be treated with the compassion that any decent person would receive.
"One final showdown. Not with a goofy boss but with us, Omori.
The part of us that hates ourselves.
The part of us that isn't *really* us.
The part of us that hurts ourselves.
The part of us that looks *back* in the mirror.
This is the ultimate battle, because we're fighting to get ourselves back..."
-Nitro Rad
oh so you watch him too.
i am a shadow, the TRUE self!
@@herogaming6183 nO YoUrE nOT Me
@@reubenbailey7491 Oh no the shadow is enraged what do we dooooooooooo
@@Scanvas3 PERSONA
Fight. Fight to face the very thing you've feared for four years.
Play. Play to remember the times when you were happier. When things were simpler.
Calm down. Trust that your friends will forgive you when you tell them what you did.
Focus. Focus on doing what must be done.
Persist. Persist, so that you may overcome what you've repressed.
Cherish. Cherish what you have reclaimed in these past days, and press on when you feel you've lost.
Allegro. Go fast, because your time to redeem yourself from a mistake gets shorter every day.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
cry. cry. cry even harder.
Cool, thanks@@Sunny-ci7di
I assume prestissimo is just downright impetuosity? (Basically what got [you] into four years of mess)
Damn, you just stab right on the heart huh
You wanted to be anyone else to hide from the pain.
It was better to lay in bed and to imagine a world where everything was okay.
Where your friends saw you as someone loving and kind, where you didn't hate yourself.
The unfortunate thing about depression and guilt.
Is that you cannot run from it.
How do you run from yourself?
You mask it and hide, pretend, until you aren't you anymore.
You wear a Mask with a smile, for hours at a time.
Stare at the celling, trying to hold back what's on your mind.
Thats what the mask is, Thats what the point of the mask is
noice.
I like how it’s a far cry from how most battle themes are supposed to sound. This isn’t pumped up, adrenaline-filled music to kick ass to. It’s mournful.
It sounds exactly how the finale for this story should sound. They nailed it perfectly, and I will never forget this song. I have mad respect for composers who go off the beaten path, whether it's through feeling, time signature, or whatever.
Stuff like The Decisive Collision is what I love. I love it when these major fights have sorrowful feels to them. This one, though, it's pure sorrow. And I love it.
i physically cannot listen to this at night, for some reason - I think it's left an emotional blemish on me goddamn
but genuinely.. this track is gorgeous
Damn me too... it kinda triggers something in me, It's nice to know that I'm not the only one:(
When I finished the game at night and i was on the last phase of this battle, I had to take off my headphones because i was too disturbed thinking the voices were Maris yelling at Sunny before (spoilers)---falling down the stairs.
Dam, i can relate!
I cried listening to this again during nighttime.
This is what I felt too! I just started listening to it now at night, all alone in my room and all the sudden I started to feel nauseous and so upset.
33:34 I just noticed that when Omori uses the attack that makes Sunny afraid it shows Mari in Sunnys icon. You have to slow it to .25 to see it though
True! I didn't notice before!
It also shows Sunny's red face that he had when he collected the photos of Mari's death
At the time, I was so anxious of Hellmari, that I noticed it right away.
ok...
NOT HELLMARIO
Omori is a shortened Japanese term for hikikomori (which yes is the name of a alternative route in the game) a hikikomori is a person who ignores social contact and the word omori either means a "weight" or to "take care" in Japanese. In this fight sunny is literally trying to cut away a weight on his mind. I also found it really interesting but I'm not sure if it's relevant but in romanian omori directly translate to "kill"
Actually omori means heavy
@Just Ignore me That, and that Omori is also the representation of Mari's piano.
According to some other commenter, Omori is black and white, and his shorts have vertical stripes.
Kind of a physical representation.
It make so much sense, I remember reading about Omori's name in his blog once. To think so much pressure was on Sunny's mind, to the point it has manifested into his fear...
The word is actually "omoi." the play on words is that while it can mean "heavy," like the guilt sunny and basil carried for 4 years, it can also mean "emotions/feelings." a play on the battle system, but also on just how important sunny's feelings were before he shoved them all away to abandon reality and try to keep himself stable
I thought it was "O Mori," latin for O Death, which to me, matches with the sombre musical motifs.
Omori will not succumb.
OWWWWWWWW MY HEARTTT
Ok
What is succumb?
@@olimpiatj8647 It’s also what the text box says every single time Omori takes damage that would be fatal, if you were wondering why it was being said.
Omori is filled with DETERMINATION
Why does this theme bring more tears into my eyes then Final Duet?
because its sunny trying to fight himself
and you can feel it
The music in both is amazing
Fuck...I love the violin
It sounds as if he's trying to play it but can't get a good grip from all the pain and guilt. It sounds more and more distorted as it goes on, as if on verge of tears.
Love when the distort noise started
That part of the theme hits different.
man I thought that was some sort of dubstep remix
I swear i hear a voice saying
NO
STOP
am i crazy?
@@randomperson093 nah, other people in the comment section have heard it too. Some people are theorizing that those sounds might be flashbacks from his argument with Mari leaking in
supposedly it’s sunny and mari arguing :(
It's kind of ironic that when we finally see Sunnys first emotion in the game and it's crying, but when that happened, I couldn't help but feel so happy. He's finally letting it out. he's finally moving on, he's finally free. It's so beautiful.
Wrong, the first emotion is angry used when Sunny battles his mortal enemy, the fly
@@monkestan9433 good point
Sunny remembers to calm down, because if he hadn’t forgotten to calm down during the fight with Mari he wouldn’t have pushed her in anger and wouldn’t have developed a phobia of heights. if he had calmed down he also wouldn’t have panicked when he saw the spider.
Sunny remembers to focus, because when he saw the spider he lost focus of what he was doing and only thought of the thing on his shoulder, falling from the place he was on and wouldn’t develop a phobia of spiders if he had focused on not falling.
Sunny remembers to persist because if he hadn’t given up and tried to swim instead of waiting to be saved, he might have saved himself from the water and Mari wouldn’t have to fear her brother drowned and he wouldn’t developed a phobia of water.
Sunny remembers to cherish because if he had cherished his real happy memories of his friends he wouldn’t try to escape into fantasy instead of locking away his memories.
I know its getting old but, who tf cutting onions
This battle is what I think the beta original concept for the last boss in Mother 3 was... Really powerful, trully an example of storytelling through gameplay well done.
bruh the whole game is a slap to the face for all those AAA games that can't even make a proper story
@@thefull9746 Pretty sure all indie games are at this point.
This game *was* inspired by Mother 3, as well as Earthbound, LISA, Yume Nikki, Undertale, etc.
@@deltaxeno7807 I know, it's no wonder that this game is so good
It actually reminds me most of all of the fight against the batter at the end of OFF.
Friends, friends are supposed to be there for each other...
- Kel
I hope you find some kind of peace, or you know... some happiness...
- Aubrey
Last time... We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most. This time, we will stay together.
- Hero
Maybe one day, things will go back to the way they were before
- Basil
You will forgive yourself... Won't you sunny?
- Mari
You've caused so much suffering...
Yet you do nothing.
And so you've earned nothing in return.
-YOU
Your friends will never forgive you.
They'll abandon you like you did them... and that's what you deserve.
- KILLED
You tell yourself that you don't want to burden others...
But the truth is that you're selfish. You just don't want people to depend on you.
-HER
This battle affected me on such an immense level. I never even really imagined Sunny striking Omori, but instead trying to persist and continue playing the violin. The song feels like Sunny is finally letting his emotions out through his music. It's raw, heartbreaking, and perfect. I wish there could've been more to the good ending, but leaving it ambiguous was probably the best call.
Basil and Sunny are both okay. That's what mattered in the end
well sunny probably lost an eye but hes still alive
@@RedMarbles_ O Türk mü nasıl yauw
When Sunny enters the battle with 3 phobias, he started with Afraid emotions because his trauma finally caught up him. But when entering Battle with Mari's hung corpse and Omori, he started neutural because at that point, he had made up his mind that he will face them. And he started the battle himself.
Sunny, what a champ.
Blaming yourself is easy, but,
Forgiving yourself is hard,
Maybe harder than anything.
Fr.
Sunny can either face his fears, And tell the truth.
Or let it all go, And run away to a world where his "Friends" accept him.
or ... you know
>jump
@@chrisboba8 Oyasumi
@@benoffmo close
@@danthezan6455 your eyes
@@randomperson093 you'll be here soon
As i first heard that violin and how Omori readied his knife to fight against Sunny, i literally froze in place as i experienced the coldest shiver throughout my entire body. This game is truly a masterpiece with its mostly cute gameplay and it’s horribly dark turn.
35:52
Look, it's all your friends
They're here with you
They all seem to be hanging from a noose though..
Meaning that's what's coming for the gang if Sunny lost the battle.
The significance of a suicide.
The wanna "hang" out with you
Hanging out with you
Taking the term I hate myself to a new level...
Or just fully showing the level that it was always on...
The repeated “You loved her and you killed her.” makes me cry every time.
It went from "OMORI did not succumb." to "OMORI will not succumb."
_A little descriptions of what the skills does, since they aren't explicity stated their effects in-game:_
*0 - Calm Down:* Heals 50% of max HEART and removes EMOTIONS.
*0 - Encore:* Raises DEFENSE, and SKILLS will cost 0 JUICE for the next 3 turns.
*19 - Allegro:* Strikes one enemy three times. (Damage scales with the enemy HEART)
*0 - CHERISH:* Fully heals JUICE and HEART + raises all STATS, but is only usable once per phase. (OMORI has 6 phases)
(also in the last two phases, CHERISH can be used as much as you want)
Also what OMORI can do:
*Slash:* _strike one time. (medium damage)_
*Stab:* _strike one time, guaranteed crtical hit. (medium damage)_
*Hack Away:* _strikes 3 times. (medium damage)_
*Erase (phase 2):* _strikes 4-5 times. (low damage)_
*Erase (phase 3):* _strikes one time. (high damage)_
*Erase (phase 4):* _strikes one time, reduces STATS. (high damage)_
*Erase (phase 5):* _strikes one time, reduces STATS and inflicts AFRAID. (high damage, curable)_
*Erase (phase 6):* _strikes one time, reduces STATS and inflicts AFRAID. (high damage, uncurable after OMORI runs out of dialogue)_
@@retsrose actually, you technically can remove afraid emotion in phase 6. But it hardly can, since the normal calm down will be replace by the broken version after Omori says “you love her and you killed her”.
@@jonathangalindo8177 oh i see!
This game doesn’t feel the same when you replay it from the beginning AGAIN... before it felt warm, cozy, and safe in the dream world. Now it just makes you feel empty... makes you feel like omori...
And it does a VERY good job at doing this. At making the second play through feel almost unbearable knowing everything that happened and how he’s coping away from it
When the final boss is yourself 😳
he do be lookin a bit like me tho
What's even creepier is that he has his neutral expression the entire fight pretty much. No anger, no sadness, no happiness. Only nothing.
@@Fojabass When the Kingfish is cringe 😳
"Trust no one. Not even yourself"
@@ortherner When the redditor is talking about how good Cringe culture is and how it isn't bullying/putting people down at all! 😳
There never was a villain, only two halfs of one mind. One is filled with guilt and despair for doing something unforgivable. The other wants to finally overcome their past and move on. And be it with insufferable pain of guilt that feels like a stab through your heart, or with a melody that brings back happy memories, both want one thing. For the other half to accept them.
This song gives me major Gehrman vibes.
'The night and the dream, were long...'
@@Noahthelasercop gehrman's quote fit so well for this battle
Do you think OMORI was touched by Mari and Sunny's duet?
Isn't that why OMORI lost?
He was that’s why omori lost and hugged sunny
I like to think that OMORI, after hearing Sunny's acceptance of his feelings, his past, what he'd done and facing reality through his duet with Mari, realised he wasn't needed anymore. He'd been an embodiment for Sunny in the dream world to protect him from his past, from the painful truth of what he'd done and towards the end represented everything Sunny had to face - the lies he told himself to disconnect from reality, his self-hatred, his guilt and loneliness - but now he's not needed anymore. Sunny is strong enough to face reality without another alias, without another world, not as OMORI, but as Sunny.
I think of Omori not as the enemy, but as a friend. An unhealthy friend, but a friend all the same. So I think he was just proud of Sunny for overcoming the guilt and finally facing his mistakes.
@@slayre1408 He was a defense mechanism gone horribly awry, but at his core, he was doing what he thought was right to protect Sunny. Why would anyone ever want to face such a horrible truth about themselves? Why would anyone turn away from the bliss of ignorance to face THAT? And so he fought to conceal the truth. And once it was laid bare, how could anyone ever keep marching forward, knowing that about themselves? How could they live with that much guilt? And so he fought, to turn away from the pain of living life under such a burden. It's not until the Final Duet that Omori understands that this IS what Sunny wants. Sunny knows it will be painful, he knows it will be difficult, but he has decided that his friends and his life are worth bearing that burden for.
I normally don’t cry over video games, but this track…this specific part of the game…broke me.
Throughout the game, I’ve had speculation over who the bad guy was, causing all of Sunny’s pain. At first I thought it was Mari, because when Basil dropped the photo in that one scene, he said Mari’s name with a look of terror. After a while, I thought it was Aubrey, because of her personality in the real world. For a time I thought it was Basil, because of how he kept saying “forgive me” in the latter parts of the game.
I never in a million years would have imagined the “bad guy” all along was Omori himself. The character I’ve been controlling the majority of the game. Sunny’s guilt.
I was worried that the final boss of the game would be too predictable. But this game absolutely blew my mind.
I don't think there will ever be a game as good as omori was
It's my favorite game hands down, there's some small things but WOW this game is terrifying, rewarding, and eye opening all in one.
If you like this game, like I do - I think you'll like Silent Hill 2, it deals with a similar premise of grief, but I won't spoil too much in case you want to look into it.
I was sort of expecting this final boss, but man, it hit me like a fucking truck. I just stood there, not doing anything. I was on the verge of tears
This song is a perfect encapsulation of how well-written this game is. Even though not many people have gone through this exact scenario, it still manages to make such an awful tragedy feel so relatable. The violin in this song brings to mind pure, unabated despair.
To think, when I was only 14, I believed if I didn’t kill myself before high school then my death wouldn’t be meaningful, and no one would miss me. I’m 20 years old today. Omori was the game that showed me, showed me how someone’s death can affect the people around them for years. I remember my little brother, who happens to have a similar age gap with me to Mari and Sunny. We used to bicker a lot as kids, sometimes the arguments got physical. A lot of this game resonated with me, especially as I was isolated with no liscense during the pandemic. But nowadays, what truly punches me in the gut is picturing my little brother, who’s now the same age as Sunny, placed in that position. When I was 16 and he was 12, I could see how depressed he was becoming, I could see how he was going through what I had gone through at 14, and hell was still going through. And, after seeing the way Mari’s death rips Sunny apart, even though he was shy and closed off, it showed me in a very real way the truths I had been pushing away. That my brother, despite being an angsty 12 year old, loved me. And I loved him, even despite the arguments, and the misunderstandings, and the frustration that we weren’t on the same page. I’m so glad I found this game, because imagining my brother in Sunny’s position, with an older sister lost to suicide after an argument. Having to see me in the coffin. It destroys me, to think I would have put him and the rest of my family through that hell. But that’s what’s so scary about depression. You think you’re doing them a favor, you feel like suicide is the answer to the mistakes you’ve made and the shortcomings. It’s not. The answer is to Continue. I’m gonna give my brother a hug when I’m home from college.
Sometimes even continuing to live your life is a battle.
The fight for some to get past even a single day.
Not everyone wins.
I know a lot of people don't like him, but I love Omori. I relate to both of them, but Omori is even more akin to myself. Having to fight him hurt me, I know he's the bad part of Sunny, I know he was spouting horrible things to him but. His expression looked so pained, and with the music. It felt unfair. A creature who could not feel, born into this world to be destroyed or to destroy. Its so tragic.
Who hates omori? I’ve see a lot of people like him
I like Omori
I don't think Omori was saying anything during that fight. Omori's still the silent stoic main character he was in mindspace. Those words came from SOMETHING, an ambiance to set the scene of the fight just as much as the music and the hands. And Omori wanted to stop SOMETHING just as much as Sunny did.
..it's been 2 years, but- you know Omori isn't a being with feelings right? He's part of Sunny's head as a manifestation of his guilt, he's not actually alive
Are you Okay, Sunny?
I don't think so...
now he is ok :)
It pains me after I listen to this. Because both afterwards and the duration of the song I realize that there's no going back. I can't re-experience the game again. I can't go into the fight blindly again. I can't enjoy the game for the first time anymore. More and more of the thought, I realize that this is it. There is no second story, there's nothing. The whole game built up to a perfect final boss fight. The embodiment of guilt, trauma and fear.
This honestly rivals the final fight in mother 3 for me I was so fucking emotional throughout the final act and man the OST made the fight so painful and beautiful such a experience 10/10
I listened to this...while arguing with a suicidal freind...who has been miniplulating me...It fit pretty well...
oh my, are you ok?
Yeah, things have been resolved, thank you for asking. I was just so scared and afraid at the time. But...all that is behind me now.
Having to act as if nothing happened and being happy with your friends after such an event triggers so many thoughts, do I deserve this after what I’ve done? She’s always with me, is it ok to feel like this without her? Mari is always with him. As the “monster”.
Omori is not a separate person from Sunny, but is Sunny’s depressive subconscious which takes form as himself discolored. Omori is not literally fighting Sunny; Sunny is fighting his suicidal ideation.
I really appreciate how the game didnt try to justify sunny's actions and instead of the final boss being him destroying the evil version of himself its more about him coming to terms with who he truly is even if he is a terrible person and will lose all he loves by doing so
facing his guilt, not an evil version
@@cattmilkk not really the hairy hanging thing represents his guilt and even in game some npcs in black space refer to omori as evil in a way they are close but they dont represent the same thing,omori from white space seems to represent his desire to be punished which is why hes antagonistic and tries to make sunny kill himself and omori from black space (the red one) is more like a cornered animal that desperatly tried to hide what he had done in his outburst of anger but in the most aggressive and bizzare ways,a good way to put it would be to say white space is the superego,sunny is the ego and black space is the id and yo cant really destroy them without destroying yourself which is way you cant beat the final boss only absorb him and accept that sunny is a bad person and finally stops blaming Basil and non existent monsters for what he did,its a very fascinating thing really
@@theamazingsplatzmo4835 I think that Omori is the part of Sunny who wants to hide in his dreams forever and never to face the truth of Mari's death. Not "evil", just scared, guilty and broken. Omori is still a good person in my opinion
You missed the point.
SUNNY is a good person, it was an accident, and he felt broken and devastated for over 4 years after what happened. Mari wouldn't hate him nor she would want to see him like this.
In the last phase, the earrape girl sounds and 'static' really just sound like Mari and sunny fighting
It is
Imagine thinking that videogames are not art.
So since everyone is going to say some of their thoughts, I kinda want to now. I doubt anyone will read this but it feels nice to let things out.
I never played the game, but watched a play through and let me say this helped me realize so much. I related with Sunny in the sense of creating an escapism. Now I didn’t push my sister down the stairs or anything but my family life was complicated. The most I’ll say is that I live with my aunt (on father’s side) who I call mom and used to visit my (bio) mom and my siblings. I can’t visit my dad because I don’t have a passport but he did not leave willingly is all I’m going to say. I never really found this entire thing as a problem and never really realized I created an escapism until watching the play through of this game. This actually made me cry rather than the final duet because I related with fighting a part of yourself because you want to keep ignoring reality and think of your life ideally. Also, I am still young (age range 13-15 is all I’ll say) and I’m still accepting and figuring things out. Never really noticed I had problems lol.
Anyway, that’s my input! Let me also say that I’m (pretty sure) in a good mental state so if anyone does read this, I’m pretty good! My family life is better significantly (more communication and stuff.)
I read it, and I'm really happy that you're mental health and wellbeing have improved, as well as your homelife. I hope things continue to improve, but either way, you got this 👍
nice to see you're doing better bro, i hope everything in your family gets resolved :)
Im glad to hear that. Comunication is important so i hope you can continiue that. Good for you!
Also same i never played omori and just watch the playtroughs. I cant bring myself to play it, at least not alone 😂
I just wanna take some time to say that... if you are struggling from guilt, depression, suicidal thoughts, or even PTSD, you are valid... no matter how small the reason, you are a valid person, or persons, and you deserve to be happy once again. Even though it's hard, you still gotta get back up and fight it to the bitter end.
I for one, struggle from guilt over how I treated my ex, in terms of jealousy. I struggle to find it in my heart to forgive myself, and the realization that... I will never have what I had with them again, even though I apologized, even though I told them I'm sorry... they moved on to someone else not long after... my heart was shattered, and now I live every day with the guilt, and the burden that... I fucked up, and I hurt them... and that they will never come back to me because of it... in a way, I relate to the words Omori says "She loved you, and you killed her" my ex never died... but, the words twist into something fitting for my situation every time. "They loved you, and you hurt them" "They loved you, and you never trusted them"
guilt can hit people differently.. so can depression... and I just hope that I don't find myself giving up the fight against those feelings...
I literally typed “omori omori” into the search bar…
Lol me too
Lmfao
I was having a moment listening to this and this cracked me up
This just proves you don't need an epic orchestra to have a good final boss theme. Sometimes all it takes is a sorrow violin.
Every note stabs my heart.
IT HIT RIGHT IN THE HEART!
So ur dead?
@@blendyboi5023 Its just a saying dude
@@i_see_you2731I don't think you understood the joke
what hurts me the most about the bad ending is that sunny actually tried,for once in a long time he tried so hard but still failed in the end and threw himself off the building,and in my opinion thats sadder than any of the other endings.
not sure why but i think of sunny and his friends as his violin
kel represents the tuning pegs, he would always try his best to fit his attitude in, even when sometimes it wasnt perfect and someone had to "turn it around"
aubrey and basil represent the strings. they were both taken aback when they found out mari was dead. and they both had some anxiety, basil and aubrey were the same deep in their heart but they both dealt with it in different ways, basil shutting himself out and aubrey ghosting all of them, getting mad at them st the stsrt of 3 days left. aubreys the hogher notes (due to her 50/50 mental health after getting new friends ) and basils the lower notes (due to his mental health before and after splitting up with the group)
omori/sunny represent the bow. all of their lives played on in sunnys head like it was a bow playing strings. even got realistic emotions snd happiness in his mind before facing the truth, could be symbolizing that the bow broke.
hero and mari represent the bridge that hold the strings up. mari and hero were the ones who put them all together again. like a puzzle, hero snd mari almost always had a bright snd cheerful mindset. and when one peice of the bridge breaks, you have to get a new one. when mari died, that was like the bridge breaking. hero had to get a new life, without her.
sorry if this doesnt make much sense, i just thougjt of it without doing much research on each part of rhe game
this is the greatest shit i have ever heard especially in the context of the fight
From "Omori didn't succumb" to "Omori will not succumb" that was really something... Weird.
So last year I went through a really bad period of depression and this part really perfectly captured how it felt like. Feeling like I was fighting myself but at the same time always punishing myself for things that I’ve done or that I felt I could have done. Some of the things omori said really got me tearing up because it was almost the exact words I said to myself every time my depression went out of control.
A thin, pale figure with white long flowing hair stood in a white dress.
The Judge speaks, and her voice echoes.
"A little boy wanted a toy, but never got the chance to have nor ask for it. When he did, his mother told him he was selfish for wanting it.
So, one day, he told his father he needed the toy for a school project.
The boy and his father got into the car and went to the toy store.
On the highway, closer to the destination than they were, there was another car that pulled over, and the person on the passenger side tossed dirty water out of a bucket and onto the road, freezing instantly.
When the father drove up that highway, a dump truck skidded on the ice and crashed into his car.
They are all aware of all people's roles:
The boy's lie was the reason for them being in the area.
The father placed himself and his son in the area.
The passenger arranged a hazard in the area.
The dump truck driver caused the hazard in the area.
So, I ask you: Who is truly guilty?"
(TBC in Omori: Slowed and Reverb by NoFall)
Maybe some spoiler-
Honestly in that part of the game I cried like crazy, the story that the game has is very deep but I go beyond it. I think that one can get to feel identified with something in the game (I am not talking about the fact that "you" have muRd3r3D someone or something like that) such as getting away from your friends, how people can change... Personally, the part where Sunny fights Omori and what Omori says to him kills me inside, there are certain things he said that he took it very personal and made me cry out loud. It's like seeing my inner '' me '' saying those same things to me every day. Sometimes I feel like I won't be able to get up but I keep trying because I know that one day everything will be fine and that day I will be fine.
Unlike many other people, I dont think Omori represents guilt (for me something is what represents it). Omori represent the subconcious part of us that keeps us away from the pain, from what could traumatized, Omori is that defense system that all of us have, that's why Sunny couldn't remember the room where the toy box was, that's why Sunny erases inmediatly the memory of basil's rooms in the neutral ending, Omori keeps sunny away from the pain, he is not good or bad, is just a natural barrier.
When we first meet Omori in One day left, he doesnt do anything to fight or stop sunny bc he does not percieve for that moment any attemptofor reveling the truth and therefore, sunny feeling pain for his actions. Our mind is goes that deep that in the attemp to protect us, it might tell us awful words that descourages us from accepting something that might hurt us, that's why Omori in his battle tells sunny those awful stuff. After the final duel, Sunny didn't manage to make Omori dissapear, you cannot disapear the inconscious part of you, you just can convice yourself that you can manage the pain and carry on (and eventually, the inconscious part of you will believe in it too)
"OMORI erased the enemy"
That part is so freaky.
Omori's trying to get rid of Sunny.
And considering the bad ending it makes that line hit SO MUCH HARDER.
I love that the theme is legitimately just sunny playing the violin at his enemy
memory lane made me reflect on my life than this
why does the game have to give such a relatable character
The song of this fight is horribly beautiful as much as it is chilling, the fight starts with a somber violin, Sunny's instrument, later, the violin occasionally distorts and is joined by twisted piano keys, and then, those two instruments are finally joined by the whole memory, the argument between the two, the cries, the banging of a stairway. . .the ONLY voice you hear in the entirety of the game; the screams of your sister, are all muffled by a horrific static.
I don't like stairs anymore
"You killed MARI...She loved you and you killed her!"
"You'll forgive yourself...Won't you...SUNNY?"
"HERO loved her...and you killed her!"
"Last time...We made the mistake of leaving each other when we needed each other the most.This time...we'll stay together."
"AUBREY loved her...and you killed her!"
"I hope you can find some peace...or you know...some happiness."
"KEL loved her...and you killed her!"
"Friends...Friends are supposed to be there for each other."
"BASIL loved her...and you killed her!"
"Maybe one day...things can go back to the way they were before."
"You loved her...and you killed her!"
"I have to tell you something."
"You should just die."
GAME OVER
Do you want to continue?
[YES] 👈 [NO]
nothing will ever beat how hard i was sobbing at the end of this game for the first time, especially over the "you loved her and you killed her" and the final duet
"She loved you, and you killed her."
"HERO loved her, and you killed her."
"AUBREY loved her, and you killed her."
"KEL loved her, and you killed her."
"BASIL loved her, and you killed her."
"You loved her, and you killed her..."
Gonna make me tear up fr