Stephen A. Smith shows how Michael Jordan DESTROYS LeBron James in the GOAT debate
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Jordan won 3 championships, went to play baseball for a couple of years, came back and won 3 more, finals MVP in all of them. That's the only stat you need.
This is some of Stephen A.’s best work. Short and sweet; straight to the point. 👍🏽
Jordan took a 2 yr hiatus from basketball and chose a sport that did not require the athleticism of speed, stamina, agility, jumping, and lateral quickness. Further, playing a sport where your lack of skill would not impact a game allows for much downtime and a more relaxed mindset. MJ is not the GOAT.
@@1212CSmith You sound like someone who doesn’t have the least bit of understanding or experience playing baseball. And further, to use said ignorance to denigrate MJ’s goat status reeks of a sophomoric attempt at trolling. Sad! 😴
@@1212CSmith Funny guy!
@@1212CSmiththat's why he likes golf so much, and that's not the reason he went and played baseball for a year lol
@@1212CSmith He was the GOAT before he took that hiatus.
I was 15 when Jordan won his first title, 22 when he won his last. Growing up outside of Chicago I had the opportunity to see him play many times at the old and new United Center… Throw away all the stats, all championships… That dude was a Unicorn.. A rare talent with unbelievable physical gifts, unshakable will, in an era when u had to be a Warrior ….forged an historical athlete that may never come again… I hope it does, but most likely I won’t see it… Times are different, and in these different times it shapes different people, different athletes… And with all due respect to LeBron …who deserves to be Celebrated, no doubt!… There is an Ocean of difference between MJ and LeBron! …I would say one man’s opinion…but that’s a fact Jack!🤷♂️
I think you said it best right there my man. “An ocean of differences between MJ and Le bron”.
In my opinion LeClown is not even a great player. Sorry
..but
No ball handling at all
No clutch
No FT
No 3 Pointer
No Midrange
No winner
No gutts
Flopping
Bumming
Choking
Wining
Cry-Baby
What is great on LeClown?
Nothing……
Not a great player…..period
You mean when scotty won it because he didn't win shit before scotty pippin showed up
@@nicolekestner185 Pip averaged 16 points .. He was a great piece , and one hell of a a defender … that said, Jordan made Pip ..
I`m from Eastern Europe .... when i was 10 my father bought me a cap with Chicago Bulls and a pair of Jordans ... I learned about Michael Jordan and Chicago Bulls before i knew what basketball was ... actually i start watching basketball because i wanted to see Mike ... not because of the game ... this is how BIG Jordan was .... everybody need to understand that James is your superstar ... but Jordan was the superstar of the whole world . Jordan was bigger then the game ... he made the game ... James is now what the game made of him ... facts :))
True💯 Many people not in the US were watching basketball just because of MJ and stopped watching basketball once he retired. Considering there was no internet at that time makes you know how big Jordan was 🔝
Same here. Eastern Europe. Remember watching 98 Finals at 4am local time being a kid
Well put
Imagine how big MJ would have been with today's internet exposure. There is no comparison.MJ is in a league of his own. He literally made NBA a global brand and also made Nike the biggest sports brand in the world.
@@_RubenLee_this is me. We watched NBA because of MJ back in 93, and we don’t have our own tv and cable, we only watch in friends house. When MJ retired, I stopped watching.
I'm about the same age as Stephen A. We say MJ is better because we have seen both players played in real time, not because who's a fan of who. MJ completely dominated the NBA in the modern era unlike any other....mentally sharper...a natural born killer...a CLUTCH finisher...always relentless & better in both offense AND defense.
Kind sir, tell me with a straight face that MJ's opponents were at the same level as LeBron's opponents. No disrespect to my elders but you all either simply fail to realize or REFUSE to accept that todays average pro athlete is above the top best that ever was in the 20th century in terms of physicality, game iq etc. MJ did not play in the modern era.
@@ghwdapw The legends MJ played against are all time top 50 players and that cannot be said about Lebron the majority are even considered top 75. Those guys would kill this league witn how it is structured. Physicality? You realize that todays technical fouls and flagrants fouls would even be whistled at times then. Higher iq can be learned as you play against it and they would if playing in this era get the same as the current players.
@@ghwdapw Yo! @TheMetzor - is telling you the truth...If it is the truth you seek.
@@ghwdapw oh you mean today's physically mentally strong players like Kawhi and Zion who load manage throughout the season only to be hurt and unavailable come playoffs time? Players like Ben Simmons, Cryie Irving and Dillon Brooks? Who exactly did Lebron play against who was so physically dominantly imposing? Mind you, despite having the best team in the NBA in the Miami Heat, Lebron lost to JJ Barea and Shawn Marion. Lebron lost to the 3-point happy Golden State Warriors. These players today cant hold a candle stick to the likes of Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Alonso Mourning, Shaq, to name a few. Today's players just work out and shoot threes and you know its true.
@@TheMetzor this really proves my point. The ''legends'' MJ played against, are considered top 50 because of the stats they put up IN THAT ERA. If you would take them AS THEY WERE and put them in the 2010's NBA, they would not put up half of the stats they put up back then and obviously if you would put some like Kyrie, Steph, or even Ja, no one would believe that moving at that speed is possible. What I mean by physicality is the development of the human body that has increased exponentially in comparison to the 20th century. You can simply see everyone being much more athletic.
Indeed, higher iq can be learned as you play against it, but that's exactly my point, MJ and the ''legends'' have not played in today's NBA which is much much faster, exactly because of the physicality I spoke about. Everyone in today's NBA HAD TO adapt to a much faster pace, because they simply are much better and more physically developed. I won't lie, MJ is one of the very few ones that was quite athletic considering that point in time, but it's dumb to think he was as athletic as your average professional athlete that exists now, especially one of the top 1% of pro athletes. But take Larry Bird for example, look at his clips and tell me that you genuinely think he was athletic. He was so slow and yet the defensive side still couldn't stop him. Now, that defensive side was the average NBA players BACK THEN that the ''legends'' put up insane stats against and now are considered the top 50. But the average NBA players back then would easily lose to a G League team or even a college team. 2024 prospects are insanely athletic as you should clearly see and the legends of the game wouldn't be able to keep up even with them.
I think that this is one Michael jordan's best accomplishments that no one talks about he went 8 years Without losing 3 games in a row 687 games, That's what separates him from everybody else.🐐🐐🐐23
Pin this…… this comment needs to be at the forefront
That is an impressive accomplishment. I will say this. For me Michael Jordan is simply the greatest Basketball player of all time and Lebron James at this point is a solid #2. In addition to all of his great personal accomplishments as a player people should consider that Michael Jordan is 6-0 in NBA Finals and Lebron James is 4-6. Now making it to the NBA Finals 10 times is impressive. Breaking Kareem's scoring title is impressive but he actually has a losing record in the NBA Finals. Ultimately Basketball is all about winning and number of championships won should matter in a conversation about greatest off all time. I believe in being fair and I will give Lebron James a fair and reasonable challenge for getting my vote as greatest of all time. He needs to win 7 NBA championships to get my vote and finish his career with a winning record in the NBA Finals. If he finished his career as 7-6 or 8-7 for example he would get my vote. The greatest players find a way to win. Lebron James has had a great career but to surpass Michael Jordan you have to do something extraordinary to make a case for being better than him. For me winning 7 NBA championships and finishing with a winning record in the NBA Finals is a reasonable challenge. Do any Lebron James fans think he can do that?
Def needs to be pinned
@@MysticNinjaJay So your saying he has to get THREE more rings, with not enough left in the tank?... he'd be 42 or 43 by those chances... you really think it should take all that?... Brady made it to his forties because he's only standing in one spot... just sayin 💁♂️. Bt that being said... just it won't take Mahomes even SIX to pass Brady, it SURELY ain't gon take Lebron 7 to surpass Jordan... all he needs is at LEAST one more ring... then the GOAT debate will be over
I thought it was being the best player on 2 threepeat teams and winning 6 in a row when he played a full season.
Accolades says it all:
*Jordan 6 Titles
*Lebron 4 Titles
*Jordan 6 Finals MVP
*Lebron 4 Finals MVP
*Jordan 1 defensive player of the year
*Lebron 0 defensive player of the year
*Jordan 9 times All-defense teams
*Lebron 5 times All-defense teams
*Jordan 10 scoring titles
*Lebron 1 scoring title
*Jordan's career PPG: 30.1
*Lebron's career PPG: 27.1
*Jordan 9 career Buzzer beaters
*Lebron 8 career Buzzer beaters
One huge point to make that settles this goat debate: it only took Jordan 13 seasons with the Bulls to earn all these accolades!! Lebron is going into his 21st season! If you compare Lebron's first 13 seasons to Michaels.. the accolades gap is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger!
Thank you, finally! You are saying something I can fully stand behind, no ifs, ands or buts. MJ is and will forever be the GOAT of basketball. Everyone else is fighting for 2nd.
Jordan is a once in a lifetime star. We were lucky enough to see him play.
Along with Lebron who respectfully is in the same convo as MJ much deserved
Lebron isn’t a once in a lifetime star lol?
lebron is too, but jordan is a level (a big level) above him. not even close.
@@j0rdan172 hell nah. 4 - 6 one being in the bubble vs 2 3peats?
@@xaevius5319 if you put a caveat on Lebron James titles put a caveat on 5 of Jordans Expansion Era titles.& His subpar competition. If 4-6 is a bad thing then what about 1-9 in the playoffs winning only 1 game in 3 years 😂.there's a whole book of asterisks that could be used. The bubble counted because Lebron didn't cause coviid 😂& the Lakers were the top of the western conference before the NBA shut down
No one will ever live up to the legend of the GOAT MJ23
@@Chris.41 he never took a L in the finals! Goats don’t take L’s . Y’all have no argument
@@nickjones3860 what MJ was doing before 1991? Was he doing another job or something?
@@nickjones3860ya he jus took Ls in the playoffs getting bounced out 8 times 😂
@@Criminelsoyeux changing popular culture, amazing the world and reshaping the sports of basketball. He was out scoring and out balling all of the so call greats. He wasn’t reaching the finals then bc he didn’t have a supporting cast, like legarbage who had super teams and still couldn’t win🤣🧹
Cringe. There is no goat 😊
I had the joy of watching every single bulls game growing up - w the exception of when I was at football practice. I was 10 years old growing up in Chicago when he won his first title. I remember the pistons walking off the court. I met the goat himself at chicago stadium the year was 1991! He even took a picture w me. I’m truly blessed.
Well said A. Smith. Michael Jordan is once in a lifetime athlete. No comparison.
And I wish to add, that MJ never lost 3 in a row from 1990-1998
Kareem lost only one game in high school and only one game in college...
That's impressive in the 90s
How bout 1984-1989?
Again NBA added expansion teams 4 in 1989 Twolves, Heat, Hornets and Magic another 2 in 1996 Raptors and GRizzlies. WHo gonna challenge the Bulls in that weak era???!
Wait u mean the Bulls or just Mj. Phil Jackson Scottie Pippen Dennis Rodman Horace grant Paxson Longley. He had a squad . Stop it
2 Finals, 2 FMVPs, 1 MVP, 1 DPOY, and 9 scoring titles is the difference between MJ and Lebron, and that difference alone if that was a separate player’s resume, that player would make the HOF on a 1st ballot.
That’s staggering.
Great comment! The only thing I would add is being undefeated and how much that matters compared to having a losing record in the NBA Finals.
And all defensive first teams. Steals leader multiple times. Jordan’s defense is so much greater.
so would final appearances, all-NBA, all-stars, assists, and rebounds. And as far as scoring titles, I am reminded of people like Harden, Westbrook, and Embiid, you know the very best.
That’s why based on my criteria lebron can’t ever pass Jordan or even Kareem. And I am I diehard lebron fan. But the GOAT takes I think ruin his legacy
Harder to win those awards to todays game.. more competitive, more talent, teams are deeper..
Also, know what stopped Michael from getting #7? It wasn't another team, Jerry Krause broke up the Bulls
We all know about Jordans accomplishments however to put the debate over with, his trainer made me realize there are only four players in history to:
Win the scoring title, win RSMVP, first team defense, lead scorer in finals, win MVP in finals. ALL FIVE. And those players were
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan
Debate over
It’s how MJ won those titles is what dose it for me. Those two 3 peats is just undeniable with a 72-10 record. That’s GOAT shit.
Pippen
@@BrettMaverick so you're saying Pippen is better than Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, etc? interesting.
@@asdfoio yeah. MJ was NEVER the underdog. He was on the the superteam in every one of his finals.
@@BrettMaverick also Lebron never won DPOY, finals mvp, and had TWO three peats
@@BrettMaverick also, Lebron never won DPOY and MVP in the same season.
It was never a debate, the media ran that narrative until people believed it. MJ changed the game, and did more in less time than Lebron. 🤷🏻♂️
And this is the most overlooked fact of all. Great observation.
Faxx!!!!
Bill Russell did more in less time than MJ....Bill Russell is clearly the GOAT
Dude the nba and media ARE THE ONLY reason Jordan is called the goat. He isn't better better Lbj at all and had better everything top to bottom and way easier competition. Jordan is and was 666 and if he is the goat then you're brainwashed because all you have is the scripted 666. Dude had to quit to save nba face due to gambling getting his Dad hurt
its a debate.. if Jordan is your GOAT then thats fine but to say its not a debate is just idiotic 💯 thats why Jordan fans get so defensive and pounce on LeBron any year he doesn’t win the chip.. cuz it is a debate 😂 and im not LeBron’s biggest fan or nufin but this mans greatness can’t be ignored 💯 its a debate..
Why it was ever a debate is beyond me.
This is the best point ever made, forget about the championships, man was best player in the world before he even won the championship regardless of who was champion at the time 🐐
Can we just agree that MJ is in a category of his own and stop comparing anyone ever again to him?
I feel this Way about MJ (Michaeljackson) that is lol.
He's not tho
In the 90s I agree but that's it
Anyone ever again is a stretch. People didn't think Bill Russell would be surpassed, then came Magic. Then it was MJ's turn to usurp Magic. If someone like Luka who's only 24 improves his game and wins 1 by the time he's 26/27, then it's on. He is untouchable but only for now
Kareem has the same amount of rings as MJ, has more career points (Became the all time leading scorer in 14 seasons with only one made 3pt make, which was held for almost 4 decades) Rebounds, Assists, Blocks, All NBA selections, League MVP's, total all defensive team selections, and all star selections. He didn't short cut his career and retire twice like how MJ did.
Man y’all still put lebron behind Mike stop playing with Kobe like this 😂😂😂😂
Mans really mentioned Kobe 😂....that bus passed 10 years ago.
Facts only thing LeBron did better than Kobe is rebound and pass the ball
@@nicolasmartinez795 you sound goofy bro lol “ the only thing Lebron did better was this and that “ no lol you don’t know ball . Even at their PEAK Lebron is the far greater than kobe , don’t even bring up defense because when Lebron played defense and sat in that chair he was a monster . Came in 2nd in DPOY, in which the winner didn’t even get 1st team all defense so Bron got robbed . The closes kobe ever came to a DPOY was 3rd bro lol kobe got 1 MVP,2 FMVPS, you talking about a 4 mvp 4 time FMVP who was always the best player on his team . Stop it bro , like buddy said that bus passed 10 years ago
@@michaelmaccrazy Cap 🧢 tell Bron that west pressure hit different
@@boblansonfig3972 then why lebron ain’t make 9 first team all defenses then?
The debate is over.
Thank you, :)
Stop the comparison, plz. Lebron’s legacy has not changed despite being swept. But the GOAT is still MJ. Simple as that.
Wat he top 10 Kobe top 5 now
Jordan never beat a 73-9 team in the finals and isn't the all time leading scorer, without mentioning team accolades how is Jordan better? Bron is bigger, smarter, faster and just as skilled.
@@_ripVanWinkle_ Kyrie 3 point shot won that game 😉
@@k-way8471 just cuz hes dead doesnt mean hes top 5. Nobody had him top 5 before he died, but afterwards everyone propelled him to top 5 status. Theres no argument for kobe being better than lebron all time im sorry to tell u
@@Frank-nz1wr I’ll take players option before you bronsexuals and this is my opinion if you don’t like it scroll on
MJ forever! He is special and unique and his mindset and obsession, charisma, skill, killer instinct and thirst for competition is unmatched!!
In the 90s he was great unfortunately we didn't see him against the best competition back then😢
@@lilztheking1751 what...?
Always appreciate hearing Bird/Magic in the conversation.
There was a debate at one point for MJ being the best. SI made an argument that Shaq was the new sheriff. Obviously they were wrong. MJ is 100% that dude over Shaq, and LeBron.
Man my G Kobe never gets the love he deserves I feel rip Legend my GOAT FOREVER 🕊 🙏🏻
I agree!
I 2nd this
I agree. He should get his flowers. That was a bad man!
When you mentioned MJ 6-0 vs LBJ 4-6, LBJ fans say MJ's competition wasn't as strong. All the guys MJ beat are on the NBA Top 50/Top 75 lists and/or already in the HoF. Nobody can touch that.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO top 50/75 when LeBron has faced top 10 players and even top 10/15 on the SAME TEAM who were also 2 of the 3 best players in the game at that time. When MJ faced players even close to that he got swept and lost in the first round. Also HOF coaches btw
@Flare LeBron beat Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Paul Pierce, and Jimmy Butler to win his rings, while also losing to all of them except Westbrook and Butler. LBJ also lost to Dirk and an aging JKidd. These guys will end up in the HoF too, but aren't any better than the guys MJ beat who are on the Dream Team, HoF, and NBA Top 50 players list like Magic, Kareem, Bird, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Charles Barkley, Shaq, Penny Hardaway, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Allen Iverson, Clyde Drexler, David Robinson, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Joe Dumars. They're more, but I'll stop here. LBJ's competition is not better than MJ's was, and MJ went 6-0, while Breezy has gone 4-6. I love LBJ, but he's not MJ. No. 2 still isn't bad for Breezy.
@Flare There was only one coach for MJ, and he was HoF because of what MJ, Shaq, & Kobe, did not the other way around. They made him more than he made them.
@@Flare8124 you conveniently neglecting to mention that lebron’s teammates have included Ray, Dwyane, AD, Kyrie, Rondo, Bosh, Westbrook, and Love.
MJ is and will ALWAYS be the greatest of all time. For those of us who saw him play we know what we’re talking about.
I watch his higlights and i see a nba player
Hit the nail on the head..when you said best in the world...nothing more needs saying
God, if you witnessed Lebron against Dallas in the 2011 Finals…you know not to put him over MJ.
Lol like We didn’t see MJ getting that broom and not being able to WILL his team to the mere ECF 😂
@@papadiom9260 Goats don't quit ,goats dont get outplayed by the second units bench player and nor do goats score 8 points in total in a Nba finals game like lebrick. Lol
@@papadiom9260 MJ went out swinging. That series of lebron was the biggest meltdown of a superstar.
@@papadiom9260 Which one, the one against the 1986 Celtics, one of the greatest teams ALL TIME in NBA history? A series where Jordan practically put the team on his back one game, and dropped 63, a record that still stands today?
Or the following year, against the same Celtics team, where Jordan averaged 35.7 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.3 BLOCKS and 2 STEALS per game?
Yeah, ok buddy. One player can only do so much. Especially against a team like the Celtics of the late 80’s.
Meanwhile, PRIME Lebron got checked by some guy named Deshawn Stevenson. 😂
Go to bed, child.
@@CrimsonUniverse22 Lol you’re mentioning MJ stats in Losses !?? Lol Bron averaged 36ppg in 2015 Final Loss. MJ got beat into Submission by The Pistons and he CRIED & begged the league for help which, led to rule Change and Crazy trades. Lebron’ s early Sweeps came from 1) the Spurs Dynasty in 2007, which was one of the best teams in NBA history, 2) The KD - Warriors in 2018 which, is arguable the BEST TEAM in NBA history as they assembled KD + a 73-9 Warriors team. Yet despite that, Bron averaged 35ppg in those finals. MJ might have HAD the best accolades but facts remained BRON is the best all-around basketball player the league has ever seen.
Not just about titles and awards. Mostly about stats, impact, dominance, analytics, repertoire of moves, 2 way play, heart and will in which MJ is clearly ahead.
MJ's clearly the best of the 90s is weird to say anything else cuz he has never been successful in any other era
Mj is not ahead. And there was no debate in Jordans Expansion Era because the other all time greats that religiously whooped him were on their way out the league or already gone ( Kareem). Mj is not top 1 in any catagory but per. Everybody knows Lebron & Kobe were robbed of an MVP & Lebron or Shaq should've been the 1st unanimous league MVP.. Lebron was robbed of defensive player of the year. Mj basically retired before facing Hakeem in the finals. He faced Malone , Stockton,gp & Barkley 😂😂😂😂😂
@Bitrate Lebron James led His team out the East 8 straight That's dominate asf. Comparing Lebron James at 38 losing a series to Jordan getting swept IN HIS prime is biased a hell. Mj was called black Jesus by Bird but Bird still sent him home 😂. Mike has a Losing record against the all time Greats. And was Labeled the goat with 3 chips a way less stats Over Kareem that has accomplished more Because Nike & the league said he was. Mike for being Numero uno with No debate Is statistically not # 1 in Any major catagory. Stop cappin because if all Lebron had to do in the finals to win 6 is to do battle with Stockton & Malone he'd have all the chips 😂😂 No Elite guards in the 90s expansion ERA that's why mj stood head & shoulders over Ehlo. 1on 1 defense. Now there's help defense with the zone.
@Cal Watch the eastern conference? Regularly below 500? Oh that's cool. Besides the FACT the top teams Usually made the eastern conference Finals & still had to face ole goat James.. The same Eastern conference YOU know who played in where I Know teams made the playoffs winning only 30 plus games 😂 cough cough and during the Expansion Era a couple of those " bottom teame were Added where the rosters were built with players that were Not NBA ready MJ squad beat those teams at least 4 times Each Easy 12 to 14 wins guaranteed Every team was whooping those 4 teams Regularly. Don't start off talking about the East competition Unless your willing to talk about the 90s Eastern conference.
@Cal Watch facts are just FACTS don't like it Lump it. Say hey to grandpappy tho
True , since 1988 . Remember sport magazine from that time .
Motivation. Leadership. Unquenched effort and DETERMINATION to be at the top of the game. A killer style of playing--and NO flopping or theatrics. Singular focus on his teammates to make them better and win along with him as a GROUP. No need to run from one franchise to another to get a supporting cast. And NEVER proclaiming himself as the GOAT, but instead, honoring those who paid their dues before him. Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Greatest of all time.
MJ has the most game winning clutch shots in the NBA
LeBron has not won a game with a clutch shot in years.
At age 38 with no bench rest, LeBron consistently ran out of gas in the fourth quarter in the Denver Series.
LeBron shot a record low 1 for 22 for 3-pointers in the 4th quarter during the playoffs.
Game 1 Denver series, 4th quarter 1 offensive rebounds, shooting 0 for 2 from 3-pointers, 1 for 4 field goals.
Game 2 Denver series, 4th quarter 0 offensive rebounds, shooting 0 for 3 from 3-pointers, 3 for 7 field goals.
Game 3 out of gas in 4th quarter 0 offensive rebounds, shooting 1 for 4 from 3-pointers, 2 for 6 field goals.
Game 4 out of gas in 4th quarter 0 offensive rebounds, 0 for 1 from 3, 1 for 6 field goals, 3 points.
MJ needed to trash talk his competitors rather than playing straight hoops. Just to compensate. 🤡
@@bm2225 , I would agree, but I'm also someone who studies psychological profiles. In my view, it's not that MJ needed to compensate--I saw it more that he saw himself as SO far above the competition that he was truly a king and they were his inferior subjects who were daring to take the crown. The rest is history.
@Cal Watch Old LeBron has not hit a game winning shot in years. Younger LeBron was a great closer, only second to Jordan.
@Cal Watch "Every time"
Lmaooo you LeBron haters are so freaking predictable & hilarious. Not to mention flat out WRONG. LeBron has THE most game-winning shots in the playoffs in NBA history. So much for "always coming up short" in those moments. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Jordan also won the scoring title and made all defensive 1st team in the same season 9 times overall 6 times in a row and the only player in NBA history to win the regular-season MVP, scoring title, championship, and Finals MVP and make the first-team All-Defensive team in the same season 4 different times. Kobe won the scoring title and made all defensive 1st team 2 times. Jerry West did it once too. The Jordan/LeBron debate has to stop and so does the Kobe disrespect, LeBron is not above Kobe. I can't believe you wasted time bringing up Joe Budden, he was only relevant during his first album back in 03.
Michael Jordan vs LeBron - One on One: ua-cam.com/video/ku1swKfO388/v-deo.html
that gulp at 3:16 tells you how scary MJ is
MJ all the way! My favorite stats about MJ is that he NEVER lost a series as the favorite. And his Bulls NEVER lost 3 in a row in the 90’s. And in the two years he was NOT MVP in the 90’s, he beat them in the Finals (Barkley and Malone).
This video is a perfect example of whats went wrong with basketball fandom since 03. Qualifiers followed by comparisons instead of appreciating each player as they are
You can thank LeBron's delusional fanbase for that.
You can thank LeBron and his fans for that. LeBron would always say shit like "I'm chasing that ghost in Chicago" or tattoo on himself "The chosen one" or calling himself "The King" and wear 23 cause of Mike. He wanted this. This was also his fan boys too
You can blame jordan fans too. Anyone who involves themselves in this toxic debate is the problem
They appreciate it. The debates are for entertainment purposes only.
you can be great player and if you haven't got the team to back it up
good job...keep it up.
not even a comparison...no discussion needed
No.2 for Lebron is an exaggeration. In the long run, his legacy will be inferior to those of Magic, Bird, and others. Even Steph Curry and the Warriors could historically mark this era more than Lebron. As a historian, my guess is that how he embarrassed himself in this sweep from Denver, ridiculed in all three close games down the stretch, will diminish his possibilities to solidify his position as a top 5-10 player in the long run. Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, and honestly, no top 10-20 range player could get embarrassed in conference finals as Lebron was in the last minutes of all three close games of this series. The guy kept throwing bricks toward the poor baskets instead of passing the ball and then was stopped in all three games in the final seconds.
LeBron is a top 10 player but not a top 5 player because he has Jason Terry and JJ Barea on his legacy.
He was also was swept in series where he had 1 or 2 all-stars with him, a feat that MJ never had.
LeBron's defense is suspect, he relies on the refs to make calls in his favor when he flops, and he has no mid-range game.
@@bainer3052 Yes, and not only Jason Terry and JJ Barea. Also Turkoglu's Orlando, 35yrs old big3 Celtics, 38 yrs old Duncan and Ginobili, and more. I would agree he was top 10 before this Denver series, but he embarrassed himself in an unprecedented way in the closing minutes of games 1, 2, and 4, and I really think this series could even push him out of the top 10 when he retires and the media stop promoting him and talking about him all the time. Totally agree on defense, flops, and mid-range game.
Huge L
Y’all are beyond help
Easily number 2
As a 27 year old i agree. MJ is the true GOAT. I still got alot old vhs tapes of his games that my dad recorded.
well said 😊
The "new sheriff in town" was sick.😂😂. Lebron wants a brotherhood, hug me, hug you, lets go banana boat riding, you know what I mean.😅😅😅
By the way one of the main points is actually the fact that starting from 1987-1988 season there was NEVER any doubt who the best player is.
Steven A. the man said it perfect. 👍
Yeah, the only thing Lebron has on Jordan is the longevity aspect. Jordan's career was nearly perfect. He was the best player in the world and he had the best teams during his prime and latter years. He also retired before losing a significant step, so we never really saw any decline in his game(ignore his Wizard years). His career only could've been better had he had better players on his earlier teams.
“the only thing” lmaoo you clueless motherfuckers
Um Jordan played at age 40, Lebron is only 38 mow genius.
@@reacespeaces2 I don't count his Wizard years. I put that in parenthesis
@@westcoastkidd17 Who cares what you count.
When Jordan play its watching something special, its that feeling you get when u see Usain Bolt run other runners can win but you know bolt never lose when it really matters. u most be out of your mind to compare any with MJ he is a one in a life time player.
Best team in the league 3 yrs in a row lost in ecf, lost ecs and 2011. Best team and couldn't get it done
I just love when Stephen A started with: "I got a lot love for that brother..." "he and I tight we go back decades..." "no disrespect whatsoever...", just whenever he praise a brother out of nowhere, you know he's gonna continue praising that brother for 2 minutes, then say the word "but" and finally say what he really wants to say.
I'm just proposing, maybe you can save the formality from time to time, you know, so we don't need to skip.
He has to, he's just telling the truth he's not hating on them
@@TekkLuthor then just tell the truth. you dont need to talk about how much you love someone and spend 3 minutes apologizing because youre about to disagree with them about whos the best basketball player.
SAS did not used to do this 15 years ago. only thing i can think of is he knows today people are so sensitive any criticism can get some one to not like you.
The thing is, MJ’s talent was rare during his time. LeBron played in an era where everybody wants to be MJ. Don’t compare eras.
Yeah. BUT this is an era where if your pinky touches your opponent…TECHNICAL FOUL???
And MJ was getting bounced until Pippen arrived smh
What is LeBron gonna do in the finals this year 🤭
MJ changed the game, Steph changed the game, Wilt changed the game, Larry changed the game, Pistol Pete changed the game, Doctor J changed the game, Lebron, as good as he is, is just a great basketball player but the game hasn't changed because of him. Kareem was the scoring king because of longevity, Lebron is now the scoring king because of longevity, his stats don't compare to others favorably in many categories when you remove the longevity IMO. Throw in that if they call him for the first offensive foul they called on Joker last night, he fouls out a lot during his first 10 years in the league when the NBA was just letting him run over people on his way to the rim.
@@tommymoore5099 ☝🏿this is the comment.
All accomplishments aside Jordan just made the game look so beautiful to watch. U had to tune in or watch sports center the next morning because you knew you'd see something special. It's just different w Mike. If you're old enough to have watched both play it's not even a debate. I'd argue Kobe, Bird, Duncan are higher up the list then Lebron of the all time greats
Mj accomplished more in his 11 full seasons with the bulls compared to lebron's career up to date. To me its not a debate.
I never thought about that! That is 100% true. I'm 45 years old, there was NEVER a debated as to who was the greatest player during Jordan's era, especially from 88' on down. It was CLEAR CUT, JORDAN! With Lebron, it was Kobe, Duncan, Steph and Durant.
Exactly that's because the level of competition is higher in Lebron's era. How can y'all fail to see that
@@Qayoh_Renzel Because it's not true. Believe what you want fanboy.
As a longtime Jordan fan I find this to be a bit untrue. There were plenty of people in 88 89 and 90
@@str8duval And as an actaul REAL Jordan fan I know it is true.
@@Wis_Dom You can literally go back to Jordan highlights on UA-cam and find old Magic and Bird fans. There was never a debate amongst the crowd you and I were in because I’m sure our crowd was all Jordan fans. But there was a Select amount of older people who steal world in the Magic in bird train
Jordan stands alone. 🌎 🏆
with what? rings? bill russell had 11... MVPs? Kareem had 6... all time scoring? he is just 5th. I think the only thing he owned was scoring titles. What else? lol
@@unyellowph4138 And Bill Russell went 8-0.
The only debate about Jordan being the best player in the world was who was going to be the next Michael Jordan while Jordan was on his hiatus. It was Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway and Tracy McGrady. I don't think they ever made it to a final
They love you when you winning always against you when you lose
You the man Stephen A. Smith!!!
Lol he sound every old washed-up Jordan buttslaves
Larry bird called him GAWDDDDD😂😂
In gym shorts
Then he proceeded to beat MJ like a little boy over and over again...
@@plainman9887 mj better than lebron
The only thing he has over mj is games played minutes played & bulk career stats
I’m a Jordan fan. Scottie won 6 rings too, but ppl never talk about him. They didn’t win by themselves, just the two of them.
@Truth is Truth! 2022 Sidekick in 1994?
@OneMillionwinsthey think Jordan did everything by himself smfh, I have to stay out these discussions,because people so focus on the Jordan and don't rem the other players,people have they own opinion and we have ours
It's crazy because they said Ray Allen saved Lebron but their on the same team,but they will never say that Scottie Pippen help Jordan wins those ring
Everytime someone mentions the competition MJ faced vs Lebron I want people to remember how historically bad the eastern conference was from 2000-2010. It was literally the running joke. 8th seed in the west had better records then the 4th in the East. That losing finals record ain’t no coincidence
For real there were 8 seeds with 50 wins out west while in the east 50 got you homecourt the first round 😂
@@swoosh2835 In the east, 50 got you the number 1 seed.
Stephen A be spitting facts.
competition has to play a factor.
Real talk! MJ 🐐
Jordan is a Beast .. he never gave up .. never walked out.. never got swept in 7 series .. Lebron is no way near period
MJ got swept twice in the 1st round, walked out twice. stop lying to the younger generations its not cool
MJ also didn’t win until he had Pippen. No pippen, no rings.
He literally left twice, also if those series against the celtics were 7 games, he still woulda got swept, so saying he never got swept in a 7 game series doesn’t make sense
@@PopgotdepopJordan never flopped and never lied to the media about stupid sh!t.
@@iKingRevJordan was The Reason they won not part of the reason they won, check the difference. That one year Jordan was gone Pippen and bulls didn’t win sh!t.
Watch the last 53 seconds of game 6 of the 98 finals then watch the last 53 secs of game 4 WCF against denver.
There was never a debate.
LOL! The way Stephen A Smith said, "Larry Bird called him GAWWWDD in gym shorts!!! Hahaha I can't, I'm done! 😄😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
The Miami Heat (mainly Jimmy Butler) are literally playing 80s/90s style basket where hustle and effort are placed at the maximum. The whole Eastern conference is getting embarrassed by it now. Now imagine all the good teams playing that style back in the 90s, and Jordan dominated them all. Jordan was Jimmy Butler mindset, mixed with Zach Lavine athleticism, with Kyrie skill sets (minus the dribbling). That's a recipe for the GOAT
This comment! 🙌👏
Exactly !!!! Preach !!
Don't forget MJ's jersey is hanging in Miami 😂 🙏🏾
They will get swept by the Nuggets
@@khmershakur9197 I don't know. I am not a Miami fan. But I have a feeling Miami will win the Championship. We will find out in 2 weeks, or so!
And to add: Michael Jordan accomplished all of his stats in a tougher and more physical league. If he played today, OMG!! This generation would ditch Lebron vs MJ debate really quick for Mike.
*1.)* Yes MJ has 6 rings to LeBron's 4 rings which is a valid point, however team success is obviously heavily dependent on team support as well as the competition that they face. LeBron also has 10 conference titles which is the most conference titles of any player since the NBA/ABA merger, 4 more conference titles than Jordan won. The impressive part about Jordan being 6-0 in the Finals isn't the 0 losses, it's the 6 wins. Losing in the Finals (winning your conference) is more team success than losing earlier in the conference playoffs, that's a fact. The non-ring winning seasons and even non-conference title winning seasons matter. That being said, LeBron from 2005-06 through 2009-10 had more team success than any other player in NBA history has ever had over any other 5yr period with as little team support as LeBron had from 2005-06 through 2009-10 and most of that was before LeBron even fully entered his prime. Jordan from 1984-85 through 1988-89 or 1985-86 or 1989-90 had a similar level of team support as LeBron had from 2005-06 through 2009-10 yet he didn't have as much team success during that 5yr period as LeBron did during his 5yr period that I'm referring to. LeBron's 2008-09 and 2009-10 regular season carry jobs in particular were probably the 2 best regular season carry jobs in NBA history. Then LeBron's 2018 playoff carry job was probably the best carry job in NBA playoff history.
*2.)* Yes MJ was a 10x scoring champion to LeBron's 1 scoring title, another valid point. However that fact can be misleading considering the fact that the scoring title can be won by 0.1ppg and doesn't take scoring efficiency into account. The "scoring champion" isn't even always the best scorer, see Iverson winning the scoring title 4 times despite never actually being the best scorer in the league. That being said Jordan was the best scorer of his era and the best scorer in the 3pt line era (since 1980) if KD isn't, I'm just saying that he wasn't anywhere near 10x the scorer LeBron was or whatever some people may think that their scoring titles indicate. LeBron and Jordan were actually close scoring wise when you take scoring efficiency into account. Also while on the topic of their offense, LeBron was clearly a better passer than Jordan and LeBron won 1 assist title to Jordan's 0 assist titles. However similar to scoring titles, assist titles can be misleading so it's better statistically to look at assists and ast/TOV ratio which still indicates that LeBron was clearly a better passer. Overall their offense is very close and can reasonably go either way.
*3.)* Yes Jordan did receive more all-defensive and DPOY selections than LeBron, but those types of awards are voted upon by a certain group of people and are therefore irrelevant when making your own individual assessment of a player since no individual has to agree with them. The same thing goes for MVPs, FMVPs, all-NBA selections or ANY other award that is voted upon. Not to mention LeBron was going against tougher competition for those irrelevant all-defensive selections than Jordan was since LeBron was competing against SFs and PFs for selections while Jordan was competing against PGs and SGs for selections. The only thing you should really need to know in order to know that those voted upon awards are bogus and should be ignored is the fact that Marc Gasol won DPOY when he was 2nd team all-defense... There is at least 1 other example of something similar that I am forgetting, but that example is already enough. Forget those awards, think for yourself and give your own on-court reasoning. That being said, LeBron and Jordan's defense is very close before even taking rebounding into account. Yes Jordan was a better man defender against 1s through 3s, but LeBron was a better man defender against 4s and 5s while their off-ball defense was pretty even. Then when you take rebounding into account you can reasonably say that LeBron is the better overall defender by a bit although I know all of the haters and the people who have been convinced by those haters will say that is blasphemy. All I can say to those people is that you should have watched the actual games throughout his career instead of watching anti-LeBron compilations and irrelevant opinion-based awards that are titled in Jordan's favor anyway (in terms of defensive competition by position).
*4.)* Yes LeBron has now been swept 3 times while Jordan was swept 2 times and yes Jordan's sweeps were in best of 5 series', but that is a marginal difference and marginal point to be made especially when you consider the fact that LeBron has played longer than Jordan did. Not to mention LeBron is the player responsible for eliminating teams with the most 4 game sweeps in NBA history if you want to go that route.
*5.)* Jordan wasn't considered by most to be the best player in the NBA out of the gate, Bird and Magic were still considered the 2 best players until Jordan's 3rd year in 1986-87 when most people seemed to begin to consider Jordan to be the best. Similarly, LeBron wasn't considered by most to be the best player in the NBA right away, but starting in 2008-09 about half if not most of the NBA community considered LeBron to be the best. By 2011-12 it was clear that most considered LeBron to be the best and it remained that way through at least 2017-18. But one important thing to mention is that again, this point is just discussing popular opinion... Popular opinion doesn't equal fact... Think for yourself and give your own on-court reasoning. I happen to believe that LeBron was the best player in the NBA for 15yrs from 2005-06 through 2019-20, longer than any other player in NBA history has ever been the best player for. From 2008-09 through 2017-18 I think that it was very clear that LeBron was the best player, or in other words I also don't believe that there should have been an argument about who the best player in the NBA was during that 10yr period like Stephen A. is trying to say was the case for Jordan. I believe that Bird, Magic and Hakeem are closer to Jordan than Kobe, Duncan, KD and Steph are to LeBron. Also Jordan's 2001-02 and 2002-03 Wizards years happened yet people like to act like they never existed while not excluding any of LeBron's early years straight out of HS or his later years when he was playing at ages that Jordan was retired at. I say that to say that Jordan was not even close to the best player in the NBA during his actual last 2 NBA seasons. I tend to not hold those seasons against him at all, but since the people who debate in Jordan's favor don't do LeBron the same solid in any way as Stephen A. is doing here, I thought I would mention those seasons. Stephen A. goes on to state that Jordan was considered by most to be the best "from '88 on", but that was after asserting "Do you know that when Michael Jordan was playing it was never a debate everrr as to who was the best player in the world?"...
Overall if you look at the full stat picture for yourself in terms of averages without even including LeBron's career totals advantages instead of just looking at misleading stat titles and irrelevant opinion-based awards, then you should be able to see that their averages are VERY close. Of course stats aren't everything, but neither are stat titles and irrelevant opinion-based awards. When I use the factual stats combined with my own observation of the players in order to come to my own conclusion about their effectiveness as players, it's extremely tough for me to pick one over the other, but the way that I currently see it I would put LeBron slightly ahead of Jordan. LeBron and Jordan are extremely close regardless of who you choose if you know how to be unbiased. It's reasonable to claim that either player is slightly greater than the other, but it's not reasonable to claim that either player is easily greater than the other.
All facts and honesty. Keep up the good work Stephen A.
Stephen A made a great point about MJ always being viewed as the best in the league during his prime. I don't like when we debate LeBron vs MJ because a lot of times it's an era comparison, and then who did one go up against, competition today is better than before, etc... I don't think that's a good way to look at it because the game continuously is evolving. So a better way to measure greatness is how much impact one has on his era. To me, MJ dominated his era more than LeBron has in his era. Furthermore, when MJ burst on to the scene he was doing things people couldn't believe. I hear too many times people talk about the 6-0 in the finals, the scoring championships... but people forget how freakish MJ was between 1984-1990. His athleticism, touch around the basket (people say Kyrie is the best finisher at the rim... they should see early years MJ...), acrobatic layups, dunks, aggressive defence, etc...People gravitated to Bulls games because they wanted to see what Michael was going to pull off at any given game, what spectacular move he was going to put on.. All these things he did before winning his first title.
It can be a valid comparison, because there are players that linked the two: Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, among others who played with and or against Jordan and Lebron. If Kobe was near clone to Jordan, and old Kobe destroyed a prime Lebron, we can safely say that a prime Jordan would destroy prime Lebron even more, because we saw them actually play, we'll just think MJ was playing instead of Kobe.
But he didn’t LeBron clears Kobe head to head matches good one tho
I am surprised the disrespect Kobe gets with people automatically saying LeBron has surpassed him.
Kobe had 5 championships.. SHOULD have won multiple reg season MVPs.. he only played with 1 HOF level player in Shaq (I’m not counting Karl Malone & Gary Payton bc they were old).
Lebron had prime D-Wade, AD, Chris Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, & Westbrook.. and won in a watered down Eastern Conference for most of his chips.. Kobe won in a much tougher Western Conference and with less talent surrounding him.
Thank u
LeBron clears kobe
saying kobe also only played with one HOF player is funny because Pau just recently got inducted to HOF, you casual
So you’re not gonna count players that were contributing factors to the lakers success? Also, you’re gonna forget about pau gasol?
saying LeBron had a prime westbrook is also just not true 😭😭😭
Debate over.
It never should have been a comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A sweep is a sweep
lakers were doomed from the start celtics are next
@@angel-ij4xv I was referring to his Jordan comments about it being a best of 5 and not 7
🤷🏾♂️ aye 😂😂😂
LeSwept
@@TheKidwondaoh 6 rings
I cried last night when LeGOAT got swept...
LeSwept
@@user-mh6nm5mv4b you won't say that to his face
@@zuzd4502Fans have told him that to his face and he had them removed from the stadium, Lecry baby
@@newempire158 no you won't say that to his face though.
@@zuzd4502 I was that fan.
Lol the end
first minute is enough.. mic drop
Stephen A: “It’s becoming insulting to LeBron when we keep having these GOAT discussions”
Also Stephen A:
Stephen A has old man syndrome. Prisoner of the past.
You mad that he speaking facts
@@hesii6295 facts about what? This happens every NBA season the goat debate.
@@hesii6295 subjective facts, cherry picked facts
@@luv2ruck770 So is Jason Terry or JJ Barea the GOAT?
" Did you know when Michael Jordan was playing there was never no debate on who was the best in the world?!"
-Stephen A. Smith
No I didn't know that 📝👀
Well, it's true. We even knew it as kids.
Really, and who was the person making the debate up, would that be Stephen A. Smith? Of corse no one said that when Jordan was playing, where was social media, podcast and 1 million talk shows?
I’ve seen UA-cam clips from 1987 saying MJ is the greatest basketball player ever Bobby Knight said in 1984 before he even played a game in the nba
this is the question... who was MJ breaking then to become GOAT? Before he got 6 rings, who was he beating in the discussions. Did he beat them. ANswer is Bill Russell and Kareem. No he did not beat them with rings. Kareem had 6 and four more finals appearances and Russell had 11 rings. Grow up guys! Guys like Stephen A are trash. Barkley is one of 75 greatest that paraded recently... Did he win one? NO!!! But annointed by NBA as one of the greatest. You can be an NBA great without rings.
@@unyellowph4138 Jordan never beat another top ten great while he was playing. And he has. A loosing record against Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas. The teams before the bulls. Yet no one talks about that but LeBrons whole history is up for debate.
I didn't like how you were censored at ESPN this shows better.
💯 he clearly explained it the comparison about who the best is.
There was never a comparison to me....Mike had too many moves and his skillset is unmatched
MJ is the closest thing to a mythical super hero I’ve ever seen in my life - in any sport. He did more spectacular things and had an absolute story-book career. He actually did the things kids dream about over and over again.
I am so excited to see these media sports personalities bleed out dry for content when Lebron retires. From the first day Lebron ever came into the league, the media saw him as MJ's rival, and never once gave this kid any flowers. The media perpetuated hate on Lebron from the beginning. Any and everything he did, he was scrutinised for it. Did MJ ever get this level of scrutiny or hate? Have this people not learnt after what happened to kobe? Give athletes their flowers when they are still around. Stop milking this man for views. Celebrate him while he is still playing.
The comparison cannot even be made considering how physical basketball was when Jordan played
DPOY is unfair though he should've got it that one year in Miami
Thank you bruh lol how Marc gasol get it when he ain’t even get 1st team all defense . They robbed Bron cause everybody who knows ball knows Bron was sitting in that chair and clamping 1-5 that year like crazyy
No he shouldn't, Marc gasol deserve his 2013 dpoy award
@@boblansonfig3972 Marc gasol deserve his 2013 dpoy fasho 💯💯. Lebron defense isn't good
@@KingTaylor-pl2el never should a player in 2nd team all-defense also receive DPOY. That just doesn't make sense. That's my point
@@MIent1313 that was big time robbery for him to even make 2nd team defense, Marc gasol was clearly best defender in the league in 2013, Marc gasol deserve his 2013 dpoy fasho 💯💯💯💯.. gasol defense was clearly better than lebron in 2013
I’ll give you that SA. Jordan made it difficult for stars to get rings in his era, whereas the stars of this era made it difficult for Bron to get rings.
If you have a losing record in the finals, if you have the worst finals series ever(2011) YOU CAN NOT BE THE GOAT. EVER.
Lebron is going to be 39 soon. He is absolutely much better currently than wizards era jordan. So that's something else to give him credit for. Im too young to have watched jabar at that age but from my understanding he had slowed down more than lebron. I think it's undisputed we are watching the best late 30s player of all time.
Jason Terry > LeRoid
JJ Barea > LeRoid
@@bainer3052 you gotta be kidding me, no way
"The brightest candles burn twice as fast" LeBron has lasted longer due to advances in medicine, training, dieting. And because he had a prime DWade, a prime Bosh, a prime Kyrie, a prime AD, a prime KLove to shoulder that load so he could play at a higher level later in his career, which is the only reason why he is 1st in scoring. MJ had to do EVERYTHING offensively for the Bulls for 13 seasons that's why his game dropped off like most superstars did before this era. This plus Jordan routinely played 82 games a year, the last time LBJ played all 82 was 17-18. For the last five seasons he has only played in 55, 56, 45, 67 (covid), and 55 games. Yah LeBron played at a higher level for longer, but it's about when they were in their primes, who utterly dominated the competition, that was MJ, not LeBron. Longevity does not equal being a better player at their peak. People often make that mistake. MJ was the 3rd all time scoring leader in his 13 seasons when he retired, it look LeBron 16 years or 118 more games to pass MJ. That shows how MJ shouldered all the scoring in comparison to LeBron
@@nicolasmartinez795 all fair points, but also remember that Jordan retired twice, which means less miles and long periods of recovery. Ya he played minor league baseball during his first retirement, but that's not putting the same wear on his body as NBA basketball.
wizards era jordan wasnt even an athlete. he was a normal dude and then in the wizards front office. man literally didnt play or train to play for 3 seasons.
when he came back got a couple broken ribs and injured his meniscus. and he still ALMOST put a team of nobodys +young rip to the playoffs. till the meniscus injury they were on pace to be top 4 in the east anyway.
Hate that this is the first discussion of choice you had.. You may be correct, but it just seems that you had your feet kicked up in the air wiggling waiting for this to happen.
The same reason most forgot Wilt is the same reason people will forget about LeBron.....I remember when Wilt was seen to be above Kareem, the early 80's Lakers changed that view.... in hindsight Kobe's Legacy and Curry will cast a Shadow on LeBron's Legacy
Damn Smith dropping Facts. The end though 😂😂
Bron is still the 🐐 in my opinion, always was, always will be. 💯
As a 35 years old and who had to go to extreme to watch NBA in the 90’s, MJ was and still is the GOAT.
Lebron has 4 Rings… and he needed a Superteam to get each and every one of those! (Plus that bubble ring that’s not even a real Ring$