Nick Wright is everything that went wrong with sports today. It's Sports Politics - an abomination that should never exists. Wright essentially works for LeBron. The bias is real.
@@andrewcook1246 That's such a lazy retort. Lazy because y'all keep insisting rings is all we care about even though millions upon millions of fans will flat out tell you they aren't the only thing that matter. You just choose to say we're lying so you can keep on strawmanning us.
You brought up playoffs. Here's the deal, I love Wilt Chamberlain. I think he's the "Paul Bunyan" of basketball: only this myth is real. But the post season, when it matters most; this is where Air Jordan separates himself from the pack, including my beloved Wilt Chamberlain. Number of regular season 40 point games: Jordan, 173 Wilt, 271 (!) Kobe, 135 Ok now... PLAYOFFS: Jordan, 38 Wilt, 13 Kobe, 13 That's right... Air Jordan has more 40 point playoff games than Wilt & Kobe COMBINED I don't even call MJ the "GOAT." That title implies there's some sort of debate. To my mind, Michael Jordan is _THE_ BASKETBALL PLAYER. Thanks for reading.
@@AnHebrewChildI'd however do want to add that Wilt most of his career played not on bad teams, but certainly no team to win a chip with and still not just only got to the finals quite a lot either way, but also the TWO TIMES he actually had a real solid team that, he not only set two record winning seasons that were only broken TWICE since then(72 and 69 wins) but also not just won the title in those years but also absolutely dominated their opponents. If you'd switch Wilt around with Russel for their careers and he had a 4 all star team his entire career he probably never wouldve averaged those 40-50+ seasons, but would most likely have a list of MVP's comparable to MJ and probably also at least 8 chips. Hell I'd say if Willis Reed for example played for the Celtics, or West or Baylor, we wouldve looked at their careers a lot different as well. However, MJ's playoff performances honestly are only statistically matched by Jerry West in some regard. Honestly nobody comes close.
@@bub6010 So we he deserves it despite him being ineligible and injured. So he didnt play enough games and he isnt in the conversation anymore. But he "deserves" it because in a parrallel universe he wasnt hurt lol. Ben Simmons should be all NBA first team then. Give AD Defensive player of the year every year cause when he isnt injured/ on load management he can guard everyone except Jokic. Guess Tmac and Brandon Roy should be hall of famers now cause they were straight ballin before the injuries. Hell add on Greg Oden to that. Only if the no 1 pick didnt get hurt maybe he couldve been an all star They dont need to be on the court anymore. Just give them awards in the hospital, night club or something. They just need to film some tiktoks on the side/showboat on the court to convince casual fans anyway.
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs Lebron james has won more playoff Series' than any player in NBA HISTORY Lebron james has been to 10 nba finals. Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones (in a mostly nine team league) have made more nba finals appearances LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER to make the playoffs in 1985, as opposed to 2004. Perfect example is, the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@DustyThePlotagonist No crap I was thinking I've seen this same dumb rant on several other vids. How can someone debate if they just copy an post same bs
The reason why titles matter so much in the GOAT debate, and especially it being a big case held against Lebron is because he literally stacked his teams with All-Stars to get to the finals. Once he did that and started his parade of Finals Appearances in the immensely weak (at the time) Eastern Conference, we all saw that was the standard that he was going to be held against. No bs longevity stat-padding is going to supersede that standard that he himself put himself up against.
We can also add in that Lebron has never played in a league with hand-checking and no defensive 3-second. Those 2 rules make it a joke for him to just barrel his way to basket unimpeded. Luka himself said that the 3-second rule makes it super easy to score in this league vs in the Euro League.
Jordan did a lot more, in a shorter time, with a lot less, in a tougher league. Jordan has 1668 offensive rebounds. Lebron has 1700+ offensive rebounds. It took 21 years for a 6ft 9in SF to catch a 6ft 6in SG in offensive rebounds. Longevity dont mean shit. Longevity and losing the finals was not celebrated until lebron came along. Why? Kareem made it to 10 finals and won 6. Why did Nick not address this?
Also, they are taking and missing more shots in LeBron’s era so assist and rebounds are much easier to get! Yet MJ’s rebounds and assists are almost neck and neck with LeBron with MJ averaging more PPG.
No one hates Bron because of his basketball skillset and play, but his antics and fragile ego makes it easy to hate on him. We can also credit the media for overhyping him. Bron would be much more respected, if he didn't behave so childish and the NBA media would stop sucking him off.
So you hate him for all the reasons you love Jordan? Cause Jordan whined to newspapers, whined to refs, traded teamates, nixed trades, got rules changed, formed a superteam with a rival and retired rather than not play on a superteam.
i was just talking about this w/ my wife. everybody loves barkley because he was a fierce competitor. he didn't win any rings, but there also is not an hour of fkn footage of him flopping like lebron. it's just like jon jones in the mma vs. mighty mouse, Khabib Nurmagomedov, or Fedor Emelianenko. the legacy is hugely affected by who they are and how they acted. and lebron has acted like a spoiled narcissist the whole time
@@andrewcook1246You must be talking about LeBron that sounds like his career instead of Jordan. If LeBron didn’t cheat the game and formed super teams people would respect him more. Like Kobe
I honestly could listen/watch a HR and a half uncut hoops video. UR great man. Keep it up. As always thank you posting. I usually enjoy it. I'll see u next time lol
I’m done clicking on any video that discusses who is the goat between Michael Jordan and LeBron James. It’s not even freaking close. I’m not clicking on these videos anymore. Michael Jordan is the best player we have ever seen!
A: stash of gold is more valuable than a mountain of rocks. B: I prefer the weight of that rock mountain and the weight matters in when comparing value.
NCAA championship, 2 time ncaa player of the year, NBA rookie of the year, 6- 0 in finals championships w/ 2- three peats in 8 yrs. and only reason it wasn't 8 in a row,he played baseball 1 yr 1/2, never had to play a game 7, 6 -finals MVP, 5 regular season MVP, defensive player of the year title, 10 scoring titles, 3-steals titles, 3 -all star MVP, 2- slam dunk titles, 2- olympic gold medals championships, hardest worker in the game, no weaknesses, most clutch and buzzer beaters when games on the line, etc,etc,etc...all what lebron wishes he'll be when he grows up. LeBron's been in twice as long as Jordan was and still hasn't come close to his accomplishments...... what is the debate
@j-short5431 IF ,he wouldn't have left for that year and a half.....HE WOULD'VE, won 8. Cant you read. Didnt say HE DID. But its Something leflop....will never achieve, no matter how long he stays in, damn sure never 3 in a row....much less 2- 3 peats....when the game wasn't full of soft play rules like today.
And not just losing, but getting the stuff beat out of you in the Finals. Once LeBron was swept not once but twice the Goat debate was over. Don't forget he also los another one by the largest amount of point difference in NBA HiSTORY.
Am I going to take the 21-year-old All-American, 2-time college player of the year with a NCAA title, a championship winning shot, and a Gold Medal, or the 21-year-old whose been in the NBA for 3 years and hadn't done squat? I'm taking Jordan.
Correct, Nick Wright's argument on the 18-22 year old LeBron vs. MJ is so disingenuous. Yes, LeBron was playing against pro competition on a mediocre team, whereas Jordan was excelling on a excellent college team. Which is better - I don't know, but you cannot discount what Jordan did in college just because he was not a pro yet.
@@Seattle-2017 Not to mention the East at the time was like something in between NCAA and the Western conference. That Eastern Conference was the worst conference in the history of the league. Lebron's first Finals run that Nick is bragging about, he had to go through two 41 win teams and a 53 win team to get to the finals where got SWEPT by an actual good team. It's a fucking joke.
His longivity only works with total points so they can try to get him up there with MJ. The fact that "pass 1st" LeBron is still 5000 assists behind Stockton while playing 2 extra years and nowhere near top 10 in rebounds, still behind Jordan in steals, 82nd in blocks, and 7th in career ppg really ain't as impressive. You are going to play 22+ years and only be top 5 in two major categories? While after only 15 years MJ is top 5 in total points, steals, career ppg, playoff ppg. And you only lead the NBA in assists 1x and scoring 1x. Cut Bron's career to 15 years and he is nowhere near the top of any list..hence his peak wasn't as great as MJ.
The other factor that few ppl look at is that all the scoring is higher by about 20 to 30 points a game on average in todays lower defense game. So its hard to compare across eras when Michael Jordan's points were scored at a much higher level of difficulty and with defenders in some cases trying to take him out. So there really needs to be an Era Adjustment Factor, call it an EAF. of some kind.. Michael Jordan would score more points in todays game and Lebron would score fewer back in that era.. The fact that Jordan scored 30 plus points per game in that difficult era dominated by big men, and played all 82 games 9 times and 80 plus another couple times is remarkable ,..and ten scoring titles and 9 all defense teams. If I recall I believe that Michael Jordan's 3 point shooting in the playoffs or Finals is as high or higher than Steph Curry's, so this idea that he was a bad 3 point shooter is ridiculous, you could say that he was not as good in his first few years when nobody was shooting them and NCAA college didnt even have a 3 point line in the early 80s... it took him a few years to progress into shooting them more routinely.. By the way Michael was far better than Lebron from age 20 plus on.., he won that Olympic gold medal as a college player while Lebron took bronze at the same age.
@@ryanr20091 he only played a year in it before the Malice In the Palace happened, and all the rules changed to favor softer defense, so yes he did, but not very long at all.
Literally nobody in 11 to 12 years said LeBron had a better peak than MJ but somehow Nick had a epiphany and realized something nobody out of 8 billion people did.
Peak is the first 3peat for Jordan and Lebron never had that. DWade had to teach Lebron how to be a champion. Nothing wrong with that, but Jordan was born with it.
@Augrills Yeah, LeBron didn't play against trash like Jordan did. The Knicks second best player was John Starks let that sink in how bad the talent was in the expansion era 90's
@adamm2787 Which one of those players were equivalent to Pippen or the second best player on the Knicks? Oakley and Mason were inside players with terrible outside shots. Pack the paint all game against them, help off them all game. This is where the fake 90s defense comes from non scorers who were one dimensional. Harper was good but old. John Starks was the second best player on the Knicks!
The fact that a quarter century later every star is being compared to the same man should tell you all to need to know. And every time that person is done and gone, they look for someone new to prop up next to MJ. Which means they didnt live up to the legend. 23 years and people are still fishing for new points of views to push Leflop over Jordan. Yet Leflop ain't even in the top 10 of all time. So why do they keep doing this? Why are they so delusional and just admit Leflop simply didn't measure up to their own standards of him?
Every basketball website on earth, espn, every Nationwide poll all have Michael Jordan number one, and these people still can't let it go, it's a religion at this point
Lebum should never be ranked over Kareem, Magic, or Duncan, and damn sure not Michael Jordan. You put any 1A superstar on a healthy superteam they can win a minimum of 4 championships too. LOL. Bronsexuals act like Lebron is the only reason he won but pretend D Wade wasn't the second best shooting guard in the NBA when they won, Bosh was arguably a top 5 power forward, Kyrie was a top 10 guard, Kevin Love was arguably the best power forward in the NBA in his prime and Anthony Davis IS a top 2 power forward in the league right now (if you want to put Giannis as a power forward).
Lebron just statpadding rather than trying to win more championships. Kobe and Jordan were all about winning, not individual numbers. Also, both those guys actually played defense and played both sides of the ball.
he records alot of empty stats.. scoring 25ppg but only playing 50games is dumb.. plus his longevity season they are a PLAY-IN team at best thats more laughable
Mchael Jordan played more back-to-back games in his last 2 seasons in Chicago, than Lebron has in the last 6 years! Seems that playing in an immensely weak defensive era and load managing, makes it easier to pad the numbers. Go figure!
because god forbid a 38 year old who had the most miles on his body by any player in a 10 year span from 2011-20, get injured when he's 38... just like Jordan in 02 after 3 years away from the game mind you
Anyone that hasn't discovered the Angry Old Hoops Fan channel is missing out. He legit breaks down game footage of LeBalco and his childish antics, it's fabulous to watch.
I am convinced that were it not for the fact that LeBron is too big and strong for the people quick enough to guard him and too quick for the people big and strong enough to guard him, just based on his skill he's average at best.
LeBron is mainly a bulldozer who makes lay ups and dunks - never travels or charges and shoots a lot of free throws. He should win the title at least every other year because he's always on good teams.
@@stevenvox6549 "never travels or charges" - I take it you are blind and listen to the games on the radio, because if you watch them, you'll see Lebron travel and commit offensive fouls often, but because he doesn't get called, you don't hear whistles on the radio. Either that or you don't have a clue what a foul or travelling are.
Die hard NBA fan of 40 years here. Saw Jordan come up. Saw Lebron come up. Whenever I watch old footage of Jordan, I feel like I am watching absolute unparalleled NBA royalty. Whenever I watch Lebron, I feel like I'm just watching the best player at the local playground in a random 3 on 3 game.
The things funny about Nick is he has to have all these contingencies to make an argument. We have to say rings don't count, bring up single season/year peaks, count going to the finals versus winning the finals, and counting lebron winning DPOY basically because he was three votes shy. Oh, and then we have to count him winning 27 games straight as a Bron feat and not a Miami team feat but when Jordan wins a 3peat, leaves and they win nothing, then returns and wins another 3peat, we have to say it's a team effort. He's funny to watch. It's like an actor who forgot their lines.
Once again, Uncut Hoops delivers another K.O to this whole BS debate. And we’re not even taking into account Jordan’s 86-87 season where he averaged 37 a game and scored over 3000pts. Wilt is the only other player to achieve such feats.
To give the proper context, the pace was a lot higher in the 80s inflating scoring to a certain extent acrosss the board . The pace the ''highest'' in the 60s which is why you saw the ''highest'' rebounding and scoring numbers . The 2000s had the lowest points per game slower pace and the best ''defense'' so Lebron and kobe actually played in even ore defensive eras
@@11DowningStreet again 87 was higher pace scoring was up across the board in the 80s . Jordan did also play in the 90s slower pace lower ppg which is why his scoring went way down in the 2000s aside from him being older, it was much harder to score in that era . this is why kobe and bron played in a more defensive era and are better scorers.
how many athletes can win champs, retire to play in another professional sport (even though MJ it wasn't a good in baseball), and then come back to do it again?
Never forget that "Entertainment" comes before "Sports" in "ESPN". Not that watching these soulless, lying jock-sniffers is entertaining by any measure.
If the NBA isn't a competition foremost, then why the fuck are any of us watching it, and why would anyone argue that LeBron is the greatest player of all time when it's all now scripted entertainment apparently.
Nick has to manufacture categories that no one has ever cared about in League history to elevate LeFraud in the GOAT discussion. The ability to eat consecutive tacos as a 39 yo without taking a dump, etc. Seeing him desperately flailing around is so embarrassing for him.
This is why Jokic is a threat to his legacy. Lebron fans are trying to downplay jokic to prop up lebron. Jokic wins the chip this year, he will be the only player to repeat with no other all-star. This makes lebron superteam legacy look bad.
@@alfasiger4178 yes and it’s also why I’m rooting for jokic. It’s interesting we talk about lebrons longevity even though his team has been shit last few years while having a top five player in the league on his team. Empty stats
MJ throughout his career had to play against a tough defense, but ever since the rules were changed by the NBA there is not tough defense played anymore. The modern day NBA is a joke, it's all about scoring, but no defense, it's hard to watch. Perhaps that fact should be considered, because nowadays it's way more easier to score.
Why is Nick popular and successful? With most analysts, I can see why they're famous even if I dislike them; they're charismatic, accurate, funny, well-spoken, or even just a pretty face. But Nick is the opposite of all that; the charisma of a T1000, as accurate as a fortune cookie, as funny as Amy Schumer, squeaking ramblings, and a face that says: “I watched you with a telescope last night.”
The annoying thing about LeBum fans is theu think we all still want Mike to be the GOAT cuz of emotional reason. Nah dude we want to see GOAT future GOATS but only the players that deserve it. When LeBron drafted i really wanted to see him as the GOAT be hes not and not even top5 in the league
That's how it was for a lot of people MJ made everyone love watching basketball because I ain't glazing but his style of play was beautiful to watch, LeBron made them hate it because when he gets a slight push from anyone he flops and throws a tantrum worse then a baby
Dean Smith said that Jordan could have easily avg way more points in college, but he had him playing inside of his system. That’s why when he entered the NBA, he exploded.
lol damn right he was. NBA Rookie yr 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, and 5.9 assists per game. Dean kept him on a leash. When he got to the league it was on and popping
@@BlackRB21 from Wilmington, NC. Went to the same schools Jordan did. So not really a Jordan fan. Absolutely miserable of a person. But I will say this. Dean Smith defended Jordan for a reason. Dean Smith was one of the best college coaches ever. His system worked. He purposefully didn't allow freshmen to start to get used to playing and getting their education. He purposefully held them back and eased them into collegiate basketball. Why? Cause their education came 1st cause the vast majority college bball at the time never saw the court professionally.
It's not sports it's a religion at this point, these people just can't accept that Michael Jordan is the greatest, and it's beyond hilarious at this point😂
What I can’t stand is Lebron fans hypocrisy with final wins. Theyll say you can’t use rings as a measure for the goat against Lebron because it’s a team achievement but say Lebron has been to 10 finals without using the same logic
Usually you speak 100% facts but I got to correct you on something. Old Lebum is NOT better then old MJ before his injury with the Wizzards. Old MJ wasn't resting back to back games, stat padding in garbage time, DUCKIKG REAL TEAMS to keep those stats up, and MJ wasn't getting carried by an all star team who also let's him stat pad, oh and let's not forget Lehelp's greatest teammate, the refs. Also Lechokes rookie years DID NOT surpass MJ's rookie years. MJs 3rd season is better then peak Lebum
Lebron already lost the GOST debate when he switch team 4 times, and one of these time is to join wade and bosh making a superteam( and still lose to dirk)
I would argue Jordan didn't either. He had Scottie Pippen, who is definitely better than Kyrie and, probably the older Kevin Love. A lot of people knock LeBron for losing 6 finals series. I would argue it is more impressive he's been to the finals 10 times, in both of the conferences. Especially the two that he took the sorry Cleveland team to the finals. He has no help then, going up against possibly the greatest team ever assembled with KD. Everyone knew the outcome of the finals before it started. I can't really count those losses against him. That would put LeBron at 4/8 for Finals series. 50% is definitely worthy of being the greatest all time.
@@Mr.X2188 you are delusional. LeBron played in a very weak East. Even losing 4 times doesn’t make you the GOAT. Jordan three orated twice and NEVER lost a finals. Didn’t even go to a game 7
@@MrMex44 if rings didnt matter wilt would have been the goat back then.. and carmelo anthony would be considered as top 15 player.. many players who didnt win a ring had much better stats than most of the top 10 players
Jokic is a threat to lebron superteam legacy. If he wins this year, he will be the 2nd to repeat with no other all star. Murray and Porter Jr are inconsistent and unreliable. It will embarrass lebron if he wins even 3. The west is tougher now than lebrons east was back then
@@11DowningStreet No he hasn't. When? The only ones to have 2 with no other all star is Hakeem and Jordan. Jokic might join Hakeem with 2 in a row with no all stars.
@@alfasiger4178 he did it in 2016, I wasn't talking about doing it twice. scottie didn't make the all star team in 98 but made all NBA, which is more prestigious than all stars anyway. hakeem was the god of having no help though, what a guy
Since Rings DONT MATTER… Yet Bron is closer to • Jerry West -9 Finals Appearances (1-8) 55 games played (22-33) •LeBron -10 Finals Appearances (4-6) 55 Games played (22-33) But somehow • Wilt is Criticized with 6 Finals Appearances (2-4) 35 games played (16-19) & yet •Bron without DWade has 6 Finals Appearances (2-4) 32 games played (11-22)
@@ruppelspoopels Wilt gets criticized, and Lebron gets praised by certain people, for having the worst finals record ever, while having the most help ever, and a cake walk East to get to each finals appearance.
@@lesunshineworshiper11 Russel wasn't even the best player of his generation, Wilt was MUCH better.. in a 9 team league. Not even a debatable point either
I have Lebron stans irate for pointing out how many winnable series he lost. They say only 2011, but even if we lied and said that's all, he's still disqualified as GOAT vs Mike.
@@jjohnson4013 Yup Delonte West outplayed LeBron in closeout game 4Q vs Magic, and LeBron all but quit when it got tight vs Celtics. Delonte may have been scoring off the court too, horrible situation.
2015 was winnable. 2014 was winnable. 2007 was winnable. 2009 was winnable. 2010 was winnable. 2011 was winnable. 2017 was winnable (Kyrie outplayed Curry and Love outplayed Draymond). Lebron is the most overrated player in NBA history. Still hasn't passed Kobe or Bird or Duncan (who owned him).
how many 3 peat? lebron is 4-6 in finals.... nba play for championships not stat padding.... barea clamp lebron.... in finals.... lebron lost goat when they loss to the mavs in 11
LeBron is/was an awful basketballer. And all his stats are totoally irrelevant. He gets an assist every time he passes the ball over, even though there are five passes after. And rebounds are a joke since 90% of his total is uncontested where he just stands below the rim waiting for the ball to drop. Even LeBron-glazers like Nock Wrong and Chris Broussard knows this.
@@fn8256he? If you’re talking about LeBron James he didn’t do shit ever. Wake up from your delusion and stop listening to the propaganda. LeBronda has never dominated anyone and can only score by breaking the rules. Often bailed out by the bribed refs.
I heard my first Chris Broussard clip maybe a week ago, and I've loved him ever since. I can't believe there are people in the media you can still trust
I am from DALLAS and to literally see how the Mavs a less superior talented team were able to dismantle LeBron's game and his psyche when it was under the brightest NBA spotlight is all you need to know about who the GOAT isn't...and I won't even mention how pedestrian he looked against the Spurs under those same bright lights.
bro went 2-1 from 2011 to 2013 in the finals with his superteam. 2014 wasn't a superteam, wade was not the same player. 04-10 wasn't a superteam, 15-18 wasn't a superteam, 19-24 wasn't a superteam
People forget Lebron played in the weakest conference in league history while he was on the Cavs and Heat. He went 3-6 vs western conference teams in the finals. People make a big deal about the 8 straight finals but what they don’t realize is that those Cavs and Heat teams, if placed in the west, would maybe have gone to the finals 4 times combined rather that 8 straight. As soon as Lebron came out west he started missing the playoffs and getting bounced early. Not a coincidence, shit ain’t sweet out west. Lebron has to be so upset he didn’t pass Mike, to talk about it that much before you earned it, that’s the result you get.
2019 he missed the playoffs because he joined one of the youngest teams in the league, and won literally the next year when they actually put a team around him. 2021 was littered with injuries, plus they lost to the team that made the damn finals. 2022 was also littered with injuries. 2023 they got a good roster and lost to the better team, hell, the damn nuggets who won the championship and people call the best team in the league.
I’m mean if we’re talking peaks.. LeBron doesn’t even make top 20. Just remember he’s never been the best player on his team whenever he’s won a championship. Even peak Tracy Mcgrady is better than Peak Lebron. Any way they wanna spin the argument, LeBron is fringe top 10. Nobody even put LeBron in the goat conversation until this man brought it up himself. Even on all the steroids since he was in Miami he still isn’t a better athlete then wilt and wilt only played 14 years and ran his own business while womanizing every night. Wake up.
We should rename this dude - Nick Lied, more apropriate. I love how LeBron fans NEVER bring out the ''heart'' argument. One never quit on his team, one never let down his fans, one showed AND risen to the challenge, one worried only about winning games and championships, one was simply a leader - he will drag you, whether you want it or not. I will always remember what Kobe said, rest his soul, ''We did it the right way''.
Hey Nick... 4X in the HISTORY of the NBA has a player ever done the following 1. Led the league in scoring! 2. 1st Team ALL DEFENSE Team 3. Led scoring in Playoffs 4. NBA MVP 5. Finals MVP guess the 4 players were? 1. Jordan 2. Jordan 3. Jordan 4. Jordan But I will give you credit for Lebron owning Jordan in one stat though.......Damn near every year Lebron has been in the league, he's owned that stat! LOL!
Nick Wright is everything that went wrong with sports today. It's Sports Politics - an abomination that should never exists. Wright essentially works for LeBron. The bias is real.
It’s obvious Lebron has a pipeline of previous teammates in the media it’s almost conspiracy esq.
He actually literally works for him lol. He is a client of Clutch Sports
Same for Lamar Jackson, kyler Murray, Tim Tebow, and Johnny "football" Manzeil.
Nick wright is the same guy who will tell u Mahomes better then brady which contradicts his Lebron argument
And Shame on ESPN for pushing LeNick on us. He's obnoxious.
Rings only stopped mattering to Nick and MSM media when it was very clear Lebron wasn’t going to catch Jordan
Is Russell your goat? Cause rings don't matter all that much to you.
@@andrewcook1246 was Kareem the GOAT before Bron broke his record?? Cause longevity stats don't matter all tht much to you 😂👎🏽
@@andrewcook1246 That's such a lazy retort. Lazy because y'all keep insisting rings is all we care about even though millions upon millions of fans will flat out tell you they aren't the only thing that matter. You just choose to say we're lying so you can keep on strawmanning us.
For real, if LeBron's ring count was similar to or better than Jordan's not a single LeBron fan would argue they don't matter,
@@tdup191 He was. Then bron broke his record and now he's the goat.
Jordan got better in the playoffs and Lebron got worse in the playoffs. That's the end of the GOAT argument right there.
You brought up playoffs. Here's the deal, I love Wilt Chamberlain. I think he's the "Paul Bunyan" of basketball: only this myth is real. But the post season, when it matters most; this is where Air Jordan separates himself from the pack, including my beloved Wilt Chamberlain.
Number of regular season 40 point games:
Jordan, 173
Wilt, 271 (!)
Kobe, 135
Ok now... PLAYOFFS:
Jordan, 38
Wilt, 13
Kobe, 13
That's right... Air Jordan has more 40 point playoff games than Wilt & Kobe COMBINED
I don't even call MJ the "GOAT." That title implies there's some sort of debate. To my mind, Michael Jordan is _THE_ BASKETBALL PLAYER.
Thanks for reading.
@@AnHebrewChild I feel the same way about Jerry Rice. There is no debate when it comes to Rice.
@@AnHebrewChild Should have added Bron in there for effect. He has 77 total in 21 years. Jordan got 173 in 15 years.
@@AnHebrewChildI'd however do want to add that Wilt most of his career played not on bad teams, but certainly no team to win a chip with and still not just only got to the finals quite a lot either way, but also the TWO TIMES he actually had a real solid team that, he not only set two record winning seasons that were only broken TWICE since then(72 and 69 wins) but also not just won the title in those years but also absolutely dominated their opponents.
If you'd switch Wilt around with Russel for their careers and he had a 4 all star team his entire career he probably never wouldve averaged those 40-50+ seasons, but would most likely have a list of MVP's comparable to MJ and probably also at least 8 chips. Hell I'd say if Willis Reed for example played for the Celtics, or West or Baylor, we wouldve looked at their careers a lot different as well.
However, MJ's playoff performances honestly are only statistically matched by Jerry West in some regard.
Honestly nobody comes close.
LeBron's GOAT argument is a complete joke... just like Embiid's MVP candidacy.
Joel deserved that mvp and if he didn’t get hurt he’s getting back to back
@@bub6010😂😂😂
@@bub6010 So we he deserves it despite him being ineligible and injured.
So he didnt play enough games and he isnt in the conversation anymore. But he "deserves" it because in a parrallel universe he wasnt hurt lol.
Ben Simmons should be all NBA first team then.
Give AD Defensive player of the year every year cause when he isnt injured/ on load management he can guard everyone except Jokic.
Guess Tmac and Brandon Roy should be hall of famers now cause they were straight ballin before the injuries.
Hell add on Greg Oden to that. Only if the no 1 pick didnt get hurt maybe he couldve been an all star
They dont need to be on the court anymore. Just give them awards in the hospital, night club or something.
They just need to film some tiktoks on the side/showboat on the court to convince casual fans anyway.
@@bub6010Everyone knew jokic should've had it last year. Embiid is a regular season player anyway.
Unnecessary shot at embiid leave him alone 😂😢😅 , u right doe 😢
Nick "so wrong he's never" Wright
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
Lebron james has won more playoff Series' than any player in NBA HISTORY
Lebron james has been to 10 nba finals. Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones (in a mostly nine team league) have made more nba finals appearances
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER to make the playoffs in 1985, as opposed to 2004. Perfect example is, the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889Stop copying and pasting the same comment, nobody wants to waste their precious time reading all that stuff.
I always called him nick neverwright
@@DustyThePlotagonist No crap I was thinking I've seen this same dumb rant on several other vids. How can someone debate if they just copy an post same bs
@@vicepresidentmikepence889you need to get laid!
The reason why titles matter so much in the GOAT debate, and especially it being a big case held against Lebron is because he literally stacked his teams with All-Stars to get to the finals. Once he did that and started his parade of Finals Appearances in the immensely weak (at the time) Eastern Conference, we all saw that was the standard that he was going to be held against.
No bs longevity stat-padding is going to supersede that standard that he himself put himself up against.
And the reason they shouldn’t matters because Michael Jordan was guarded by John Starks and Craig Elho
@@j-short5431And LeBron was being guarded by Jason Terry and JJ Barrea. Jason Terry also out performed him too. 🤷♂️
@ actually he wasn’t. That was just a few select possessions people like to highlight. Lies don’t work when we have video.
We can also add in that Lebron has never played in a league with hand-checking and no defensive 3-second. Those 2 rules make it a joke for him to just barrel his way to basket unimpeded.
Luka himself said that the 3-second rule makes it super easy to score in this league vs in the Euro League.
@ well if defenders weren’t allowed to stay in the key for three seconds, that would make it easier to get to the basket, right?
as an entertainment business, Bron is the longest working clown on and off the court, I can appreciate that
Well put
No one with Elon Musk money, buys a team to start a new franchise is picking a prime LeBron over Prime MJ. His Airness is box office and rings.
Not to mention politics. Lebron is blm while Jordan said republicans wore his shoes too
Very good.
If WWE had a clown. His title world be Lebalco
Jordan did a lot more, in a shorter time, with a lot less, in a tougher league.
Jordan has 1668 offensive rebounds.
Lebron has 1700+ offensive rebounds.
It took 21 years for a 6ft 9in SF to catch a 6ft 6in SG in offensive rebounds.
Longevity dont mean shit.
Longevity and losing the finals was not celebrated until lebron came along. Why?
Kareem made it to 10 finals and won 6. Why did Nick not address this?
its the ERA of clowns and wokes.. were in the twilight zone where biological man dominates a womans sports thats whats more laughable
Jordan ave more blocks per game than LeFlop too.
Also, they are taking and missing more shots in LeBron’s era so assist and rebounds are much easier to get! Yet MJ’s rebounds and assists are almost neck and neck with LeBron with MJ averaging more PPG.
MJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Olajuwon, Kawhi all won more than they lost in the finals
That's the thing, i thought being 6'9 would make a person a power forward. Can't wait when the proof of the drug use and all the asterisks applies
Nick Wrong needs to be given a sports ban from everything associated with sports....Nick Wrong is never right.
Michael Jordan's layup vs the Nets there at the end is better than Lebron's entire career.
LOL😂😅😂💯💯💯🏄🏄🏄
I had to replay that part. Dude on the opponents bench even reacted, like 😲 lmao
Hell yeah a couple of nets players reacted like bro wtf
At least he got a left hand
🤣🤣🤣facts.
No one hates Bron because of his basketball skillset and play, but his antics and fragile ego makes it easy to hate on him. We can also credit the media for overhyping him. Bron would be much more respected, if he didn't behave so childish and the NBA media would stop sucking him off.
Haha gotta love society nowadays an actual circus
So you hate him for all the reasons you love Jordan? Cause Jordan whined to newspapers, whined to refs, traded teamates, nixed trades, got rules changed, formed a superteam with a rival and retired rather than not play on a superteam.
i was just talking about this w/ my wife. everybody loves barkley because he was a fierce competitor. he didn't win any rings, but there also is not an hour of fkn footage of him flopping like lebron.
it's just like jon jones in the mma vs. mighty mouse, Khabib Nurmagomedov, or Fedor Emelianenko.
the legacy is hugely affected by who they are and how they acted.
and lebron has acted like a spoiled narcissist the whole time
You LITERALLY just described Lebron.@@andrewcook1246
@@andrewcook1246You must be talking about LeBron that sounds like his career instead of Jordan. If LeBron didn’t cheat the game and formed super teams people would respect him more. Like Kobe
I honestly could listen/watch a HR and a half uncut hoops video. UR great man. Keep it up.
As always thank you posting. I usually enjoy it. I'll see u next time lol
I’m done clicking on any video that discusses who is the goat between Michael Jordan and LeBron James. It’s not even freaking close. I’m not clicking on these videos anymore. Michael Jordan is the best player we have ever seen!
Not close AT ALL. It's a manufactured debate. So much so that they are trying to diminish the importance of winning.
Facts
MJ is the GOAT 🐐..... The other thing is LeFlop isn't even 2nd. KOBE is behind MJ.
@@perfectibilistThey are trying to make Bron the GOAT.
Kobe
Something ain't right with Nick. At least Shay Shay smiles and giggles like a little girl. Nick looks constipated the whole time.
I've personally thought that look is him trying not to cry
Right. Sharp says it and giggles about his bias (and also, weirdly, refers to Lebron as “we”).
🤣🤣😂🤣
A: stash of gold is more valuable than a mountain of rocks.
B: I prefer the weight of that rock mountain and the weight matters in when comparing value.
Good analogy.
"the longevity is not even close" .. BUT, WHY CANT Lebron PLAY 82 GAMES?
Oooooooooh!
He played like 95% of games for like 17years
Perhaps coz he have to "juice" (allegedly) in between some of his regular games lmao 🤣
@@melvayne Peak steroid/mainstream popularity was 80s and 90s
@@andrewcook1246Why can’t he play 82 game? You never answered the actual question. He’s only done it once.
It ABSOLUTELY doesn’t help LeBalco at all that he’s supported by all of the most annoying people 😂
Yeah, nick with the long hair is very punchable 😂 more so than shaved head nick
Jordan's biggest fans are Stephen A and Skip Bayless...
@@andrewcook1246id rather listen to them than keyshawn, perk, shannon, and wright 🤡🤣🤣
At least skip and stephen a know what they are talking about.
@@michaelperez3720 I've never heard anyone say Skip and Stephen A know basketball. Buy hey. Go off
Facts
NCAA championship, 2 time ncaa player of the year, NBA rookie of the year, 6- 0 in finals championships w/ 2- three peats in 8 yrs. and only reason it wasn't 8 in a row,he played baseball 1 yr 1/2, never had to play a game 7, 6 -finals MVP, 5 regular season MVP, defensive player of the year title, 10 scoring titles, 3-steals titles, 3 -all star MVP, 2- slam dunk titles, 2- olympic gold medals championships, hardest worker in the game, no weaknesses, most clutch and buzzer beaters when games on the line, etc,etc,etc...all what lebron wishes he'll be when he grows up. LeBron's been in twice as long as Jordan was and still hasn't come close to his accomplishments...... what is the debate
Stop lying: he never won 8 in a row and doesn’t have the most playoff buzzer beaters
@j-short5431 IF ,he wouldn't have left for that year and a half.....HE WOULD'VE, won 8. Cant you read. Didnt say HE DID. But its Something leflop....will never achieve, no matter how long he stays in, damn sure never 3 in a row....much less 2- 3 peats....when the game wasn't full of soft play rules like today.
Its hard for me to believe someone with a losing record in the finals can be the goat.
It’s hard to believe that someone that couldn’t beat Larry bird in his prime is the goat. So it’s idiotic all around.
@@MrMex44 It's hard to believe that Lebron with D-Wade and Bosh lost to Mavs.
@@noelmanay3095it's hard to believe that bill Russell is not the goat while he has more Ring than Jordan
Hard to believe you even comment on here
And not just losing, but getting the stuff beat out of you in the Finals.
Once LeBron was swept not once but twice the Goat debate was over.
Don't forget he also los another one by the largest amount of point difference in NBA HiSTORY.
Losing to the same team 8 straight times is not GOAT behavior.
The Clippers with zero all stars won more games against the Warriors (with Kevin Durant) in 1 series than Lebum in 2 years. LOL
Choke artists James Harden took the Warriors to 7 games in WCF before LeFlop got swept by them.
You remember that Jordan never beat Larry Bird, right?
In their prime?@@michaellockett4044
@@michaellockett4044 You do know that bringing up Larry Bird does not help the case of LeDelusion at all, right?
Am I going to take the 21-year-old All-American, 2-time college player of the year with a NCAA title, a championship winning shot, and a Gold Medal, or the 21-year-old whose been in the NBA for 3 years and hadn't done squat? I'm taking Jordan.
Correct, Nick Wright's argument on the 18-22 year old LeBron vs. MJ is so disingenuous. Yes, LeBron was playing against pro competition on a mediocre team, whereas Jordan was excelling on a excellent college team. Which is better - I don't know, but you cannot discount what Jordan did in college just because he was not a pro yet.
@@Seattle-2017 Not to mention the East at the time was like something in between NCAA and the Western conference. That Eastern Conference was the worst conference in the history of the league.
Lebron's first Finals run that Nick is bragging about, he had to go through two 41 win teams and a 53 win team to get to the finals where got SWEPT by an actual good team. It's a fucking joke.
His longivity only works with total points so they can try to get him up there with MJ. The fact that "pass 1st" LeBron is still 5000 assists behind Stockton while playing 2 extra years and nowhere near top 10 in rebounds, still behind Jordan in steals, 82nd in blocks, and 7th in career ppg really ain't as impressive. You are going to play 22+ years and only be top 5 in two major categories? While after only 15 years MJ is top 5 in total points, steals, career ppg, playoff ppg. And you only lead the NBA in assists 1x and scoring 1x. Cut Bron's career to 15 years and he is nowhere near the top of any list..hence his peak wasn't as great as MJ.
100%.
The other factor that few ppl look at is that all the scoring is higher by about 20 to 30 points a game on average in todays lower defense game. So its hard to compare across eras when Michael Jordan's points were scored at a much higher level of difficulty and with defenders in some cases trying to take him out. So there really needs to be an Era Adjustment Factor, call it an EAF. of some kind.. Michael Jordan would score more points in todays game and Lebron would score fewer back in that era.. The fact that Jordan scored 30 plus points per game in that difficult era dominated by big men, and played all 82 games 9 times and 80 plus another couple times is remarkable ,..and ten scoring titles and 9 all defense teams. If I recall I believe that Michael Jordan's 3 point shooting in the playoffs or Finals is as high or higher than Steph Curry's, so this idea that he was a bad 3 point shooter is ridiculous, you could say that he was not as good in his first few years when nobody was shooting them and NCAA college didnt even have a 3 point line in the early 80s... it took him a few years to progress into shooting them more routinely.. By the way Michael was far better than Lebron from age 20 plus on.., he won that Olympic gold medal as a college player while Lebron took bronze at the same age.
Malone is technically a better scorer all-time than Jordon so lets not even bring up Lebron . Jordon is not on his level all-time.
@@comparehealthlifedental Lebron played in the 2000s which had the lowest pace ppg and the greatest defensive era than even the 90s .
@@ryanr20091 he only played a year in it before the Malice In the Palace happened, and all the rules changed to favor softer defense, so yes he did, but not very long at all.
Literally nobody in 11 to 12 years said LeBron had a better peak than MJ but somehow Nick had a epiphany and realized something nobody out of 8 billion people did.
Peak is the first 3peat for Jordan and Lebron never had that. DWade had to teach Lebron how to be a champion. Nothing wrong with that, but Jordan was born with it.
@Augrills Yeah, LeBron didn't play against trash like Jordan did. The Knicks second best player was John Starks let that sink in how bad the talent was in the expansion era 90's
@@tankwhite.7036 So you just gonna ignore Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason and Derek Harper? Lebron was playing 40 win teams in the playoffs. Stop it.
@adamm2787 Which one of those players were equivalent to Pippen or the second best player on the Knicks? Oakley and Mason were inside players with terrible outside shots. Pack the paint all game against them, help off them all game. This is where the fake 90s defense comes from non scorers who were one dimensional. Harper was good but old. John Starks was the second best player on the Knicks!
The fact that a quarter century later every star is being compared to the same man should tell you all to need to know. And every time that person is done and gone, they look for someone new to prop up next to MJ. Which means they didnt live up to the legend. 23 years and people are still fishing for new points of views to push Leflop over Jordan. Yet Leflop ain't even in the top 10 of all time. So why do they keep doing this? Why are they so delusional and just admit Leflop simply didn't measure up to their own standards of him?
Every basketball website on earth, espn, every Nationwide poll all have Michael Jordan number one, and these people still can't let it go, it's a religion at this point
Everyone has Jordan as the goat yet ironically the media created all of these weak narratives for lebron
@@jp23x exactly my brother exactly
Lebum should never be ranked over Kareem, Magic, or Duncan, and damn sure not Michael Jordan. You put any 1A superstar on a healthy superteam they can win a minimum of 4 championships too. LOL. Bronsexuals act like Lebron is the only reason he won but pretend D Wade wasn't the second best shooting guard in the NBA when they won, Bosh was arguably a top 5 power forward, Kyrie was a top 10 guard, Kevin Love was arguably the best power forward in the NBA in his prime and Anthony Davis IS a top 2 power forward in the league right now (if you want to put Giannis as a power forward).
And it's been that way for the last 30-35 years and counting.
Lebron just statpadding rather than trying to win more championships. Kobe and Jordan were all about winning, not individual numbers. Also, both those guys actually played defense and played both sides of the ball.
And they did it with less help Lebron had the most help in the history of the NBA and still only have four ring will three in a half
MJ when he was losing, he strengthened his body and won it all, Kobe also willed thru injuries to win, well LeBron sorted on those juices just to win
They are completely forgetting that the only reason Jordan didn't win MORE was because of Bulls management.
Nick Wright lookin like Snape and Gru got crossbred in a lab and the experiment went wrong
Lebron has no longevity. He cant even play a full season
Lebum's longevity regarding deckstacking is unparalleled. He hasn't stop trying to make a superteam in the past 14 years. 🤣🤣🤣
LeBalco* according to KG.
he records alot of empty stats.. scoring 25ppg but only playing 50games is dumb.. plus his longevity season they are a PLAY-IN team at best thats more laughable
Mchael Jordan played more back-to-back games in his last 2 seasons in Chicago, than Lebron has in the last 6 years! Seems that playing in an immensely weak defensive era and load managing, makes it easier to pad the numbers. Go figure!
because god forbid a 38 year old who had the most miles on his body by any player in a 10 year span from 2011-20, get injured when he's 38... just like Jordan in 02 after 3 years away from the game mind you
Embarrassing.... Man brought up high school compared to college 😂
Anyone that hasn't discovered the Angry Old Hoops Fan channel is missing out. He legit breaks down game footage of LeBalco and his childish antics, it's fabulous to watch.
His videos r hilarious and insightful.
He’s a child you know what please stop watching him immediately
@@gggyy7104 Nah, I'll keep watching him because he is right most of the time.
@@JayLandon64 I’ve watched a couple of his videos, I’ve yet to single good point or logical argument made. Like not a single one.
Lebum makes basketball look like a dumpster fire. Jordan made it look like poetry in motion.
I am convinced that were it not for the fact that LeBron is too big and strong for the people quick enough to guard him and too quick for the people big and strong enough to guard him, just based on his skill he's average at best.
@@JayLandon64 yea and if shaq wasnt big and tall and curry wasnt a good shooter and mj wasnt a good scorer theyd be average at best
LeBron is mainly a bulldozer who makes lay ups and dunks - never travels or charges and shoots a lot of free throws. He should win the title at least every other year because he's always on good teams.
@@stevenvox6549 "never travels or charges" - I take it you are blind and listen to the games on the radio, because if you watch them, you'll see Lebron travel and commit offensive fouls often, but because he doesn't get called, you don't hear whistles on the radio. Either that or you don't have a clue what a foul or travelling are.
Lebron is probably the second greatest player of all time. Jordan is another level on most fronts but don't make up stuff.
Die hard NBA fan of 40 years here. Saw Jordan come up. Saw Lebron come up. Whenever I watch old footage of Jordan, I feel like I am watching absolute unparalleled NBA royalty. Whenever I watch Lebron, I feel like I'm just watching the best player at the local playground in a random 3 on 3 game.
The things funny about Nick is he has to have all these contingencies to make an argument. We have to say rings don't count, bring up single season/year peaks, count going to the finals versus winning the finals, and counting lebron winning DPOY basically because he was three votes shy. Oh, and then we have to count him winning 27 games straight as a Bron feat and not a Miami team feat but when Jordan wins a 3peat, leaves and they win nothing, then returns and wins another 3peat, we have to say it's a team effort. He's funny to watch. It's like an actor who forgot their lines.
That joker forgot who made the #23 famous. Lmao!
If just going to the finals is what makes a great player, then the early 90’s Buffalo Bills are one of the the greatest teams ever! Lol
nick wright is proud with that 27 winstreak when MJ fucking won 72-10 in a season wtf
Once again, Uncut Hoops delivers another K.O to this whole BS debate. And we’re not even taking into account Jordan’s 86-87 season where he averaged 37 a game and scored over 3000pts. Wilt is the only other player to achieve such feats.
And that was during a time they tried to drop him on his head for dunking
To give the proper context, the pace was a lot higher in the 80s inflating scoring to a certain extent acrosss the board . The pace the ''highest'' in the 60s which is why you saw the ''highest'' rebounding and scoring numbers . The 2000s had the lowest points per game slower pace and the best ''defense'' so Lebron and kobe actually played in even ore defensive eras
@@ryanr20091per 100 possessions, jordan in 87 has the second highest ppg average behind harden in 19
@@11DowningStreet again 87 was higher pace scoring was up across the board in the 80s . Jordan did also play in the 90s slower pace lower ppg which is why his scoring went way down in the 2000s aside from him being older, it was much harder to score in that era . this is why kobe and bron played in a more defensive era and are better scorers.
@@ryanr20091bro doesn’t know what is meant by per 100 possessions
how many athletes can win champs, retire to play in another professional sport (even though MJ it wasn't a good in baseball), and then come back to do it again?
Nick Wright is digging his own Grave ☠
Never forget that "Entertainment" comes before "Sports" in "ESPN".
Not that watching these soulless, lying jock-sniffers is entertaining by any measure.
But sports is entertainment.
Oh my sweet Summer Child. The NBA is listed as an entertainment business.
If the NBA isn't a competition foremost, then why the fuck are any of us watching it, and why would anyone argue that LeBron is the greatest player of all time when it's all now scripted entertainment apparently.
Nick Wright works for Fox Sports not ESPN.
@@BiggieTrismegistus does it really matter
One thing you guys keep forgetting.Michael jordan took a lot more pounding on his body than lebron james.
When people start to nitpick like Nick does, you know they're desperate.
@@onlydbrasko yes
You Go and tell an NBA owner that you're playing for stats not rings 😂😂😂
Nice thought
You gonna make a video responding to this whole we done with the 90s trend?
Nick has to manufacture categories that no one has ever cared about in League history to elevate LeFraud in the GOAT discussion. The ability to eat consecutive tacos as a 39 yo without taking a dump, etc. Seeing him desperately flailing around is so embarrassing for him.
imagine comparing MJ and lebron as 18-20 year OLDS when MJ wasnt even in the NBA completely dumbshit.. lebrons peak is equal to MJ's rookie season
Lebrons so call longevity argument is trash also when you consider hes only played 82 games 1x in his career
vs. 9 times for MJ
What is the most important thing in sports? Winning or stats?
I always lose brain cells when I hear nick wrong.
He’s right rings and championships don’t matter. Scoring titles don’t matter. Points per average don’t matter. MVP’s don’t matter. Shooting percentage don’t matter. Choking in the clutch don’t matter…..NOT. Silly argument.
He’s an absolute idiot
Bron ain’t even top five, won 3, arguably 4 cheap ass rings on super teams
This is why Jokic is a threat to his legacy. Lebron fans are trying to downplay jokic to prop up lebron.
Jokic wins the chip this year, he will be the only player to repeat with no other all-star. This makes lebron superteam legacy look bad.
@@alfasiger4178 yes and it’s also why I’m rooting for jokic. It’s interesting we talk about lebrons longevity even though his team has been shit last few years while having a top five player in the league on his team. Empty stats
@@BrickwilliamsLakers are actually better without lebron
@@alfasiger4178 true plus he’s juiced out of his head
LeBron is top 10 at best. Without social Lemedia Lebron is top 20.
MJ throughout his career had to play against a tough defense, but ever since the rules were changed by the NBA there is not tough defense played anymore.
The modern day NBA is a joke, it's all about scoring, but no defense, it's hard to watch.
Perhaps that fact should be considered, because nowadays it's way more easier to score.
Why is Nick popular and successful? With most analysts, I can see why they're famous even if I dislike them; they're charismatic, accurate, funny, well-spoken, or even just a pretty face. But Nick is the opposite of all that; the charisma of a T1000, as accurate as a fortune cookie, as funny as Amy Schumer, squeaking ramblings, and a face that says: “I watched you with a telescope last night.”
The answer to that question is antisemitic, so don’t ask it.
@@Augrills Nick does have tht nose too
@@Augrills What?... Nick is Catholic.
@@RVered whatever you say, man
@@Augrills Say what? One of his grandpas was Jewish, everyone else isn't and he's Catholic. I can't believe you made look up this fool's wiki.
Whenever Nick talks about Mahommes he compares him to Mj not Lbj. Enough said
The annoying thing about LeBum fans is theu think we all still want Mike to be the GOAT cuz of emotional reason. Nah dude we want to see GOAT future GOATS but only the players that deserve it. When LeBron drafted i really wanted to see him as the GOAT be hes not and not even top5 in the league
From an Italian Football enthusiast: Michael Jordan was the one who made me love the NBA, LeBron James is the one who made me hate the NBA.
That's how it was for a lot of people MJ made everyone love watching basketball because I ain't glazing but his style of play was beautiful to watch, LeBron made them hate it because when he gets a slight push from anyone he flops and throws a tantrum worse then a baby
Well said bro😊
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Dean Smith said that Jordan could have easily avg way more points in college, but he had him playing inside of his system.
That’s why when he entered the NBA, he exploded.
It’s said that Dean smith was his best defender 😂 ever!!!
lol damn right he was.
NBA Rookie yr 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, and 5.9 assists per game.
Dean kept him on a leash. When he got to the league it was on and popping
@@BlackRB21 from Wilmington, NC. Went to the same schools Jordan did. So not really a Jordan fan. Absolutely miserable of a person. But I will say this. Dean Smith defended Jordan for a reason. Dean Smith was one of the best college coaches ever. His system worked. He purposefully didn't allow freshmen to start to get used to playing and getting their education. He purposefully held them back and eased them into collegiate basketball. Why? Cause their education came 1st cause the vast majority college bball at the time never saw the court professionally.
In no sport can you have a GOAT who hasn't won. That's because the ultimate reason for any sport is to win. That's why Curry is bigger than Westbrook.
remember that time when mj was in collage and played the nba all star team as an olympic warmup? yeah, mjs team went 8-0, lol.
It's not sports it's a religion at this point, these people just can't accept that Michael Jordan is the greatest, and it's beyond hilarious at this point😂
And kareem is just not even mentioned..at all.
You know what? If LBJ had at least 1 ring from the og Cleavland stint, then we can start having a conversation
Nah
What I can’t stand is Lebron fans hypocrisy with final wins. Theyll say you can’t use rings as a measure for the goat against Lebron because it’s a team achievement but say Lebron has been to 10 finals without using the same logic
Usually you speak 100% facts but I got to correct you on something. Old Lebum is NOT better then old MJ before his injury with the Wizzards. Old MJ wasn't resting back to back games, stat padding in garbage time, DUCKIKG REAL TEAMS to keep those stats up, and MJ wasn't getting carried by an all star team who also let's him stat pad, oh and let's not forget Lehelp's greatest teammate, the refs. Also Lechokes rookie years DID NOT surpass MJ's rookie years. MJs 3rd season is better then peak Lebum
Lebron already lost the GOST debate when he switch team 4 times, and one of these time is to join wade and bosh making a superteam( and still lose to dirk)
That's it
That's like MJ joining up with Dominique Wilkins n ATL. He wanted 2 beat his rivals not join them.They monopolized the east
He teamed up with the world. Wade, Bosh, Irving, love etc helped locked down the East. Lebron didn’t do it by his self
But the media doesn't want to admit that he did the superteam before kd 🤔🤫 but the media doesn't crucify him 😮😂😂
The East was terrible.
I would argue Jordan didn't either. He had Scottie Pippen, who is definitely better than Kyrie and, probably the older Kevin Love.
A lot of people knock LeBron for losing 6 finals series. I would argue it is more impressive he's been to the finals 10 times, in both of the conferences. Especially the two that he took the sorry Cleveland team to the finals. He has no help then, going up against possibly the greatest team ever assembled with KD. Everyone knew the outcome of the finals before it started. I can't really count those losses against him.
That would put LeBron at 4/8 for Finals series. 50% is definitely worthy of being the greatest all time.
@@Mr.X2188 you are delusional. LeBron played in a very weak East. Even losing 4 times doesn’t make you the GOAT. Jordan three orated twice and NEVER lost a finals. Didn’t even go to a game 7
@@Mr.X2188 Pittman?
nobody in his right mind could respect what "nicko the Clown" says
If rings don’t matter, what the hell are players playing for? And don’t give me money as an excuse!
if rings dont matter nobody would watch NBA games and salaries would plummet..
If rings mean that much, MJ isn’t the goat either
@@MrMex44 Sorry your Mickey Mouse king and his Mickey Mouse ring suck. Sorry you couldn't have lived in a better era. Go cry more.
@@MrMex44 if rings didnt matter wilt would have been the goat back then.. and carmelo anthony would be considered as top 15 player.. many players who didnt win a ring had much better stats than most of the top 10 players
@@MrMex44 why the fuck would we give the "GOAT" title to someone who isnt even the best.. is that the current standards of dumb people of today??
If Joker can win with Jamal Murray.... Lebron should have more rings.
Jokic is a threat to lebron superteam legacy. If he wins this year, he will be the 2nd to repeat with no other all star.
Murray and Porter Jr are inconsistent and unreliable. It will embarrass lebron if he wins even 3.
The west is tougher now than lebrons east was back then
@@alfasiger4178Bron has also won a ring without any all star teammates
@@11DowningStreet No he hasn't. When?
The only ones to have 2 with no other all star is Hakeem and Jordan.
Jokic might join Hakeem with 2 in a row with no all stars.
@@alfasiger4178 he did it in 2016, I wasn't talking about doing it twice.
scottie didn't make the all star team in 98 but made all NBA, which is more prestigious than all stars anyway. hakeem was the god of having no help though, what a guy
@@alfasiger4178 kyrie nor klove made all NBA in 2016 lol
“Longevity argument not even close”
No 💩! It’s the only reason Lebron James has more points than Jordan.
Look at PPG. Jordan clears by a mile!! 😂😂
Never was his peak better than mj 😂😂
Or even close
@@tdup191one season peak, two season peak, three season peak, any season peak, lebron doesn't compare to jordan
Since Rings DONT MATTER…
Yet Bron is closer to
• Jerry West -9 Finals Appearances (1-8)
55 games played (22-33)
•LeBron -10 Finals Appearances (4-6)
55 Games played (22-33)
But somehow
• Wilt is Criticized with
6 Finals Appearances (2-4)
35 games played (16-19)
& yet
•Bron without DWade has
6 Finals Appearances (2-4)
32 games played (11-22)
So half of lebron's career is wilt chamberlain? And somehow, that's bad?
@@ruppelspoopels He just said Wilt gets knocked for that record, and Bron fans want praise for the same thing. It's called being hypocritical.
@@ruppelspoopels Wilt gets criticized, and Lebron gets praised by certain people, for having the worst finals record ever, while having the most help ever, and a cake walk East to get to each finals appearance.
You're right, rings matter more than anything. That's why Bill Russel is the goat. That scrub MJ could only dream of winning 11 rings!
@@lesunshineworshiper11 Russel wasn't even the best player of his generation, Wilt was MUCH better.. in a 9 team league. Not even a debatable point either
Jordan could come out of retirement right now and be better than lebron
Imagine honestly thinking longevity is just as important as peak for the Goat debate. 🤣
I have Lebron stans irate for pointing out how many winnable series he lost. They say only 2011, but even if we lied and said that's all, he's still disqualified as GOAT vs Mike.
2009 ECF vs the Magic and 2010 second round vs Boston look at Lebron numbers in the 4thq
@@jjohnson4013 Yup Delonte West outplayed LeBron in closeout game 4Q vs Magic, and LeBron all but quit when it got tight vs Celtics. Delonte may have been scoring off the court too, horrible situation.
2015 was winnable. 2014 was winnable. 2007 was winnable. 2009 was winnable. 2010 was winnable. 2011 was winnable. 2017 was winnable (Kyrie outplayed Curry and Love outplayed Draymond).
Lebron is the most overrated player in NBA history. Still hasn't passed Kobe or Bird or Duncan (who owned him).
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270Bron fans won't admit that. Most of em didn't even watch those games
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Lebron outplayed durant by your logic
To make the claim Lebron is on Michael’s general level is one thing and I get that, but to claim he’s Better is a huuuuge claim.
27-game winning streak vs 72-10 🤔🤔🤔.
Those Bulls won 33 road games in a row
72-10 all day
Jordan had *TWO* peaks - the two 3peats!
Who passed him? Nobody!
Bill had 11 chips
how many 3 peat? lebron is 4-6 in finals.... nba play for championships not stat padding.... barea clamp lebron.... in finals.... lebron lost goat when they loss to the mavs in 11
LeBron is/was an awful basketballer. And all his stats are totoally irrelevant. He gets an assist every time he passes the ball over, even though there are five passes after. And rebounds are a joke since 90% of his total is uncontested where he just stands below the rim waiting for the ball to drop. Even LeBron-glazers like Nock Wrong and Chris Broussard knows this.
Wow, That makes me feel better 🤣... he always beat us in the playoffs. I'm a Bulls fan. We could never gets passed him from 2010 to 2016
@@fn8256he? If you’re talking about LeBron James he didn’t do shit ever. Wake up from your delusion and stop listening to the propaganda. LeBronda has never dominated anyone and can only score by breaking the rules. Often bailed out by the bribed refs.
For Bron to pass Jordan, he needs Thanos to snap him out of NBA existence
I will always remember that 2013 Lebron was saved by ray Allen.
by your logic mj was saved by paxson in 93 and kerr in 97... come on man
san antonio giving that chip away more than anything. only had to foul
Lebrick should be 2-8 in finals
LeBron getting swept by warriors definitely proves he's fragile and not a warrior.
@@jsm530 how
I heard my first Chris Broussard clip maybe a week ago, and I've loved him ever since. I can't believe there are people in the media you can still trust
LeBron isn't in any GOAT discussion whatsoever.
He's not a top 5 player All Time
Losing record on Super Teams..
I am from DALLAS and to literally see how the Mavs a less superior talented team were able to dismantle LeBron's game and his psyche when it was under the brightest NBA spotlight is all you need to know about who the GOAT isn't...and I won't even mention how pedestrian he looked against the Spurs under those same bright lights.
Dallas was favored in that series according to ELO.
@@915KPSO is your brain scrambled?
Yes or no
@@KaineTremaine Obviously not. You only ask because you’re ignorant and your parents failed you. Sorry about that.
bro went 2-1 from 2011 to 2013 in the finals with his superteam. 2014 wasn't a superteam, wade was not the same player. 04-10 wasn't a superteam, 15-18 wasn't a superteam, 19-24 wasn't a superteam
It is very easy to debunk Nick's arguments.
I’d rather listen to Rachel Nipples. At least she looks good
MJ is still king 🤴
Those playoff stats for MJ are absolutely monstrous. Add his defence in there, the cheat code of basketball.
2013 Lebron had 3 turnovers down the stretch in game 6 and that was the Ray Allen shot game.
And 2 missed 3s
Idiot Poopivich lost that game taking Duncan out with 30 seconds to go thinking they had won
I'm a Lebron fan, but this video was very well put together and articulated, thank you.
People forget Lebron played in the weakest conference in league history while he was on the Cavs and Heat. He went 3-6 vs western conference teams in the finals. People make a big deal about the 8 straight finals but what they don’t realize is that those Cavs and Heat teams, if placed in the west, would maybe have gone to the finals 4 times combined rather that 8 straight. As soon as Lebron came out west he started missing the playoffs and getting bounced early. Not a coincidence, shit ain’t sweet out west. Lebron has to be so upset he didn’t pass Mike, to talk about it that much before you earned it, that’s the result you get.
2019 he missed the playoffs because he joined one of the youngest teams in the league, and won literally the next year when they actually put a team around him. 2021 was littered with injuries, plus they lost to the team that made the damn finals. 2022 was also littered with injuries. 2023 they got a good roster and lost to the better team, hell, the damn nuggets who won the championship and people call the best team in the league.
21 minutes...
Damn, you're gonna burn this guy.
I’m mean if we’re talking peaks.. LeBron doesn’t even make top 20. Just remember he’s never been the best player on his team whenever he’s won a championship. Even peak Tracy Mcgrady is better than Peak Lebron. Any way they wanna spin the argument, LeBron is fringe top 10. Nobody even put LeBron in the goat conversation until this man brought it up himself. Even on all the steroids since he was in Miami he still isn’t a better athlete then wilt and wilt only played 14 years and ran his own business while womanizing every night. Wake up.
Crasy Nick wright is just hilarious to me.
Quality of a player's career > Quantity of a player's career. Period!
A segment with Hollins and Wright debating whos LBJ goat debate is better would be one for the books lol
Peak over Longevity
Impact over Stats
Jordan over LeBron.
Man, wake me up when someone drops two three-peats
And in a tougher league with 1 or no all star
@@alfasiger4178Tougher league 😂 Yeah I'm sure the Pistons would've ran laps around the KD Warriors
Nick Wright needs to be fired from ESPN. So goddamn ridiculous!
Dear God is Nick Wright annoying 😭
The GOAT debate is not a debate. It’s not close enough between Jordan & anyone else to really have the conversation. Let’s keep it 💯
You aren't lyin brotha. Kobe is the closest to Jordan so I got him at 2.
Since when is Tom Green such an expert and LeBron fan. I used to love that guy.
We should rename this dude - Nick Lied, more apropriate. I love how LeBron fans NEVER bring out the ''heart'' argument. One never quit on his team, one never let down his fans, one showed AND risen to the challenge, one worried only about winning games and championships, one was simply a leader - he will drag you, whether you want it or not.
I will always remember what Kobe said, rest his soul, ''We did it the right way''.
who cares whos better at 40? what does that even prove? and i could even debate that with mj. per knee injury he was a solid player.
Hey Nick...
4X in the HISTORY of the NBA has a player ever done the following
1. Led the league in scoring!
2. 1st Team ALL DEFENSE Team
3. Led scoring in Playoffs
4. NBA MVP
5. Finals MVP
guess the 4 players were?
1. Jordan
2. Jordan
3. Jordan
4. Jordan
But I will give you credit for Lebron owning Jordan in one stat though.......Damn near every year Lebron has been in the league, he's owned that stat! LOL!
I think the better question is how many 3peats does Bron have? Bron can play till he's 60 and it still won't matter!
jordan doesn't have a 4 peat, steve kerr does, so kerr> jordan
LOL The only way to explain this guy's foolishness is that he is getting paid a LOT!