LeBron will never get to be Jordan or the goat cause of the things the obstacles that Jordan had to overcome and what Jordan did and the way he did it LeBron has no way of competing with his legacy
only thing he will have better than Jordan in stats Points, Steals,Assist,Rebounds, Blocks others than that championship wise he'll never catch up or anything
And it was true. Jordan pretty much said it himself. He said if he couldn't find anything to challenge himself then it was time for him to walk away from the game of basketball. Pretty much, it was too easy for him at that point.
@@dablocishot77 Or he had such a gambling problem he needed to leave the game. If that was the case about not finding a challenge then why did he play for the Wizards and was a JOKE on the court.
Bird is a hoosier legend.. straight hick from southern indiana.. why would you want a loud mouth new yorker to play him in a movie.. bird and this guy have almost nothing in common
@@MUSHROOMAN4 you got to admit there became a point in time where you couldn't even touch mj..... Lance Stephenson literally would got tech'd for blowin in mike's ear like that,...
You don't hear any kid saying they want to be like Lebron they always wanted to be Jordan When a kid played in the school yard and was taking a shot whose name would they say? Jordan that's who
Yeh man, the discussion should be about who is your favourite not who is GOAT. The discussion is so stupid. It’s not comparable. It’s literally different leagues
TheChunlilover I don't even like LeBron like that. He only bringing up ONE stat, like, LeBron has worst stats this year he can bring up. But the same one every single time? Especially one like plus/minus, a stat that doesn't account for the production of players on the court at the time.
DH It's always an interesting subject because it's an arguable one and can go either way because it's a matter of opinion and personal perspective. Choose one, there are a bunch of supporting points for it, choose the other, and there are a bunch of supporting points for it. This is always an interesting topic and will be for the next many years. Almost every single sports fan has an opinion on this topic, and it just truly shows us how great these two guys were and are.
Jordan is the GOAT for a ton of reasons. One reason is that while Lebron is supposedly the "greatest all around player in nba history" Michael Jordan has the most complete resume in NBA history. Jordan has the stats unlike Russell. He has the rings unlike Wilt. He was the best player in all his rings unlike Kareem, Kobe or Shaq. He took the game globally unlike Bird & Magic who took the game nationally. He dominated the league unlike Lebron who only dominated the conference
You ain't never seen Michael Jordan score 8 pts in the Finals, Shannon. You ain't never seen MJ shoot 13 shots in a Finals game, Shannon. You ain't never seen MJ disappear in the Finals! I think that's enough said. There's a lot of great players. LeBron is amazing. But the "little" things make the difference, greatness is in those "little" things. A 2011 Finals perfomance like that - it's one of those little things that makes it impossible to call LBJ the GOAT. PS You talkin about Jordan playing with an all-star ? LeBron went to Miami to play with Wade and Bosh......... Are you serious ?
addivt obviously the celtics were known for the big 3. Kg 35, Allen 35, PP 33...and yet pistons are considered old with Thomas and rodman 30, laimbeer 33, dumars is actually younger than mj.
Michael Jordan had to go against the Celtics team that went to the NBA finals 4 years straight and yet he was able to score 65 points against them and actually make it competitive pretty much on his own
@@lalapanikan725 To see what? How he's lost 6 Finals? How he got bounced by the Mavs? How he quit on his team with 5 mins to go with a 1st round series game on the line?
@@lalapanikan725 Hope he include how many rings he gave away add the first round golf vacation GOAT. 47 GAME 2021 The rest was for load management play off LBJ is gone it's over.
Jordan would never have asked Magic,Bird,Barkley or any great player of his time to team up to win championships. That's why he is and will always be the GOAT !
The reason Lebron will never be seen as better than MJ is because of Phil Jackson. Spoelstra was a great coach but he's no Phil Jackson and Tyron Lue, at times, looks like he has no idea what he was doing. Lebron has had to continually lead his team basically by himself to the finals where the other teams are way better than any team MJ ever faced. The Warriors and the Spurs are two of the best teams ever. The Spurs won four championships together and (without even counting the one Duncan won in 99) and the warriors own the best record of all time, before they even got Durant, who will end up being, at least, at top 20 player of all time and is probably a better scorer than MJ. Lebron has had to deal with better team than MJ ever had to face and it's because Jordan had a good coach and a good organization where Lebron has had pretty bad ones. If Pat Riley had coached the heat instead of Spoelstra, not only would Lebron still be there, but I have no doubt he would have seven straight finals and be considered the best player of all time.
Arjan Ang Oh your right...MJ just beat Magics Lakers the bad boy Pistons Regies pacers Malone and Stoctons Jazz Shawn Kemp's sonics ect.. MJ was soo god damn good he left basketball it was just too easy no challenge left. Then he comes back and STILL dominated. Lets all admit her would have won 8 finals if he never retired.
charlie harris what? The reason MJ is seen as better isbhe was the greatest scorer and defender PERIOD. last I checked Basket Ball is about scoring defense and winning and MJ did it all. Lebron fans just want Lechoke to ve the greatest
People forgot that when MJ was drafted by Chicago their franchise was one of the wrost in the league. Same as Cleveland nobody wanted to play with the Bulls so for the first 3 peat they had to build their core through the draft. Leaving can't be used as an excuse.
The thing is LeBron carried them so much that they never got good draft picks. They constantly placed top 5 so they never got the good picks. The bulls tanked.
^^^ yep. The Bulls in Jordan's first 3 seasons didn't reach over 40 wins, and I think way too many people forget about MJ not doing anything before he had Phil Jackson coaching him. LeBron was leading a 50 win team in his 3rd year.
Tristan Nowicki yeah getting in the playoffs = tanking. bron didnt make the pos his first two yrs... mj did. rs records are due to extrapolated records with 7 less teams... those 7 teams added help popularize tanking
@@philcarter663 lol see u LeBron fanboys can never make valid points or argument haha why is that? Yo just cause someone doesn't worship the ground LeBron walks on doesn't mean they're haters...lol seriously and another thing the NBA wasn't invented in 2010 lol even tho I know all u kids nowadays thinks it was
They don't call him "LeFLOP" for nothing. Jordan once told B Scott before a game he'd drop 50 on Anthony Peeler. He ended up with 54. He was simply unstoppable and his will to win was unmatched. MJ GOAT.
LeBron is LeBron & MJ is MJ. Mj had a great career & LeBron career still going at the end of the day MJ fans will see him as the GOAT & LeBron fans will see LeBron as the GOAT that just the way it is
It's really that simple. I mean, this whole MJ vs LeBron is silly. Silly might not be an apt word to describe it, but you get my point. LeBron's LeBron. Okay, he might not surpass MJ in terms of rings, but his career should be highly appreciated. His longevity, outspokenness, pass-first mannerism, is another realm. Plus, with that much scrutiny, he lived up to the expectation. We will have to wait for years to have this kind of talent.
O you mean losing in 95 and recruiting rodman after? No Rodman no Jordan...well no pippen no Jordan either....Jordan was losing in the first round and getting swept before he got pippen
The mentality of MJ is to win! He made his team mates look better! He didn't complain about getting other great players. Confidence gave him all the titles...Beat that!!!
@@Matt-hs7gs every player technically won with help but mj didnt have to build superteams. Mj won 6-0 in finals with the bulls but lebron was only 4-6 even with superteams. So if lebron wins this season i wont count it
Jordan won 3 in a row then his Dad was murdered. He took 2 years off. Then came back and won 3 more in a row. He would’ve won 8 in a row. Yes, would’ve blown out Hakeem. 8 in a row. EASY Edit: I need to add THIS. Not only would he have won 8 in a ROW, if stupid Jerry Krause (well I shouldn’t call him stupid, he’s dead), but if less than intelligent at the time Jerry Krause had not allowed the great Dynasty to be broken up, Jordan and Co. would’ve won 10+ in a ROW. Like , I’m sure 10, but maybe 12 to 13 or 14.........what if’s........
It's also debatable, that if MJ had played that full season and been in basketball shape they'd have won. The next year they went 72-10. It's all speculation but it sure feels like if MJ didnt take the years off the Bulls wouldn't have lost.
You forgot when he returned and was good enough to score 45 in the garden but got beat by Orlando in the playoffs and then went and begged Rodman to join
So Miami being out in the first round and the lakers who weren't in the playoffs since 2014 before lebron came in were already good teams. Yeah that makes a ton of sense ty
@@victordelacruz4449 miami got chris bosh and lebron to win twice and lakers got AD and Lebron. Lebron alone didnt make those teams better. lebron didnt even reach finals without AD
Agree with Rapaport's analysis. But the one thing I wish he had mentioned was Jordan's obsessive drive to win with the hand he was dealt. With the exception of only 4 starter players (Rodman, Longley Cartwright and Harper) on both 3 peat teams, everyone was home grown. And of those free agent/received starters, with the exception of Rodman, no one was an All-Star or exceptional at their position. Most were drafted by the Bulls. He didn't hop around looking for a super team. He took what he got and made every single player on his roster better. He didn't just make the team better with some arbitrary stat. He made every player on the roster pick up more than they could carry by scrimmaging with them, teaching them and testing them to be the best that they could be. James has never done that. His championships were won with made men: Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love and now with Davis. Bottomline: James finds (or receives) the pieces to win championships. Jordan grooms his pieces to win championships. Jordan= The GOAT
I also wish they would have mentioned the Bulls in 94-95 were 34-31 before MJ came back and finished strong with him at 13-4 and snuck into the 5 seed. They were struggling terribly in season 2 without him and wound up winning 72 games and another title the following yr with him, as well as the next 2, including playing without Pippen for 38 games in 97-98 and still winning 62 games and the title.
Different eras🤦🏾♂️ we live in a world where there is a lot more talent in the league in general.. Just like everything else the game is evolving.. Jordan was in a time where there was 1 superstar to a team on average, LOTS more balance then
@@gspazzthaassassin the league now is much less physical making scoring much easier. There are no physical, larger defenders like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Mutumbo, Mourning, Larry Johnson, Anthony Mason, Malone, Barkley... Centers now are beanstalk hanging out by the 3 point line not clogging the lane making it easy for ANY player to score very easy baskets. Look at the posterizing dunk from 20-25 yrs ago and now. The player then was jumping over or through 3-5 players or a 7 foot tree of a human trying to tackle him to stop him. Now it's over a guy just standing there trying to get a charge. Players stayed on teams or only were one per team because of loyalty to their franchises or they had pride. They wanted to beat their friends and wanted to be the best of the best without question or help. Now they all want easy titles and to make it easier on themselves. It's sad now
He quits on his team , I've seen him do it twice . Once with San Antonio in the finals & this year he did it again . Even if we lose , I don't respect quiters that's the new era record .
If someone were to win more championships, accolades and become better in most major statistical categories, would you still call MJ the goat? Please give me your honest opinion
@@ccbgaming6994 Yes indeed, I would still call MJ the GOAT. You need to put conditions of the individual performances to the reality of that period and circumstances. Even if a player would not win a single championship but his individual performance is the best ever that person would potentially still be the GOAT. The issue here is he was way better than the best of his era, he was and still is the most creative player ever and I do not believe there will be a more creative player ever. Wembanyama can and most probably will beat everyone in statistics at the end of his career, but put a Kenny lofton JR against him, he will struggle. That was not the case with MJ they threw everything possible at him in his era he still outclassed them all by a mile.
@baybarshan2500 So you’re saying that someone could win 10 chips, 10 mvps, 10 fmvp, 5 dpoy, more all-star selections, average 35 pts, 10 ast, 15 trb, 60% fg, 45% fg3, 90% fr, break the scoring record, play against the toughest teams ever with an unstacked team himself, and you would still call MJ the goat?
@@ccbgaming6994 Yes, Lebron doesn't have the creativity and resilience as MJ ! To be the GOAT only stats are NOT enough MJ had close stats too but he had more than that and Lebron doesn't have that !
@baybarshan2500 First of all, ARE YOU ON DRUGS?! Let’s make it clear that I’m talking about a hypothetical player in the future, not Lebron, not any current player, not any prospective player. How is it that you can look at that list and say MJ would still be the goat. This hypothetical player would have to have even more creativity and resilience to accomplish what they did. You’re either an MJ d-rider or done gone overdosed.
Only reason MJ never came back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals, is that he never let the other team win more than 2 games. They should stop giving Lebron credit for that, because to com back from 3-1 you first have to lose 3 games. Which Michael never did in a finals series.
That probably speaks to the level of competition he played. It’s not that MJ never let the series go 7. It’s that the other teams couldn’t go 7 cause they were not talented enough.
@@just-a-guy9857 no sir your looking at that wrong, Micheal Jordan's team was the juggernaut team sir thats why they won, and in case you didn't know they were juggernaut team because of.......yea you guessed it Micheal jordan
@@curtisjefferson778 not the greatest perimeter defender of all time and the best rebounder of his time on his team. Surrounded by the best head coach of all time and shooters. Then you put MJ into the equation and yeah… it’s a superteam
@@just-a-guy9857 excuse me Mr Jackson wasn't considered the greatest coach of anything before he came to Chicago also Micheal had 3 rings before Rodman came there and scottie isn't the greatest defender I could argue Micheal was a better defender, check the accolades buddy, on the other hand lebron had d.wade who is a far better scorer then scottie dreamed to be and bosh who is a far better scorer then Rodman "since your using him" ever dreamed to be and lost to the "oh yea" macho ,unbeatable, hall of fame casted ,Dallas mavericks "IN HIS PRIME" i could make the case that heat team as a unit is better then any of those bulls teams as a unit but none of them on that team is better then Jordan Jordan was collecting chips with scottie pippin annnnnnnddddddd..... who else?.....besides Rodman who literally is a roll player out there to get rebounds and play d but I like I said Jordan had chips before that with a bunch of nobody's so stop it bro lebron wish he could fill those shoes he tried and failed and traveled around the league chasing titles
@@curtisjefferson778 you're a joker man😂😂😂. Lemme tell u some, did u know that it doesn't matter if wade and Bosh were far better scorer than pippen and rodman ever dreamed of, u gotta understand that scoring is not the only way to win. When lebron played with the heatles dwade made the all NBA 1st team once and Bosh none. Pippen was multiple time 1st team and rodman was the best rebounder in the game. Bosh ain't that good at rebounding the ball as rodman and while playing with lebron he was a offensive bust to me, averaging in his best heat season 18.7pts and 8reb; he ain't get more points and rebounds average then in his first season which is his best one. The problem which is hard to admit is that dwade and Bosh were already on a descending stage of their career. Matter fact LeBron won twice the MVP and the FMVP in the 2yrs they won. And idc if u say "Allen saved his legacy" the man (Allen) scored 0 points in game 7 and Bosh scored 0 either. LeBron had 37/12/4 but everyone give credits to ray Allen in that series because of a shot in game 6. Obviously was important but it was a shot, ppl seem like they forget what lebron did all along that series AVG 25.3/10.9/7, and 2 times dude had triple doubles including the one in game 6. But people saying Allen saved LeBron legacy, like nah bro LeBron saved his own legacy by himself having 32/11/10, u can't count out lebron for what he did because if it wasn't for him , the Spurs had their title in game 4 tho. What I'm saying is that Jordan had better player at that stage of their career, and better all around players like kukoc (HOF), like Kerr (best shooter at the time). And when Jordan won his first 3 rings w/o those guys he had Orace Grant, Paxson exc... Those teams were crazily good, matter fact pippen carried both the year Jordan wasn't there far in the PO. And talking about Phil Jackson wasn't a great coach, I bet if u left Doug Collins there for more years Jordan would've had like 40ppg and still 0 chips. Jackson came there and took those guys on school of "how to be a winner Michael", because Jordan wasn't considered a winner at the time. And then, people argue LeBron had more help, tell me how many players lebron played with were in all NBA 1st/2nd team while playing with lebron, and how many were in nba 1st/2nd team while playing with Jordan huh. Bro Jordan let the bulls win the championship don't mistake my takes, Jordan is 1of1 even though I'm a lebron fan, but he had always a better team and organization than lebron has ever dreamed of, and went against weakest team than them all the time. LeBron was always the underdog for 6 time he went to the final. The only time he had the best team were in 2011/2012/2013 and with the Lakers in 2020, and guess what he won 3 out of 4, plus against the best team ever as the gws in 2016.
@@boiiiitellyouwat9208 Lol, 2018 finals he just straight up quit and got swept. He went on a press conference with a cast in his hand. Jordan got eliminated but he did not quit. This is evidence Bulls vs Pistons 88= 4-1 Pistons 89= 4-2 Pistons 90= 4-3 Pistons 91= 4-0 Bulls. He worked hard into making that bulls team one of the Greatest team of all time. Its a testament to MJ he never quit if this lebron he would have jumped ship in 89 already and joined probably stockton and malone.
DeciPher Twenty three yeah what team was lebron on? The warriors were likely the best team of all time, and in 2018 lebron has one of his worst team since 2007. come on dude, you bring no context
2 3-peats, 6 finals MVP's, never went to a game 7 in the finals, 6 put of 6 finals. And the most aggressive competitor the world has ever seen. When you're playing basketball with the homies, you yell out "Kobe!" during a jump shot or "Jordan!" when you dunk. I've never heard peeps say "LeBron!", cause they FLOPPED on the park cement.
Shazayum he did complain, but not all the time. He , and Pippen also did something about it. They hit the weights and got physically stronger to combat the bully pistons. The bullies could no longer beat the Bulls psychologically and that’s part of the reason the Bulls eventually prevailed.
Lebron also benefits from playing in the softest era of basketball ever, where if you breathe on someone it's a foul. Jordan played against some of the toughest defenses when there wasn't such a thing as a flagrant foul any time he drove the lane and got hammered each possession.
You'd have to be stupid to think that playing in the NBA was harder than it is now. There is a MUCH higher level of competition now. People always talk about how Lebron conditions himself so well to where he can withstand the durability and longevity he does, but that doesn't just apply to him. In today's NBA you have to offer that kind of commitment to your body and health to even have a chance of playing basketball at a high level. Jordan competed against great like Stockton and Bird, who obviously did not have that same commitment and frankly don't have the skill level to come close to the NBA today. Lebron has been competing and dominating against world class athletes for 82 game stretches for 16 years!! This is while maintaining the longevity and durbality and dominating game in and game out!!! The NBA is only getting harder and more difficult as time goes by and Lebron is the standard for anyone moving forward. This makes him the GOAT imo.
detsportsfan18 this is the #1 fact the younger generation can't grasp ....When Jordan played, he hand to be a Master and have a black belt in Brazilian jujitsu because there was hand checking at that time...today you can't even touch the player. When Jordan played, he also had to have a black belt in Kong Fu if he was even thinking about driving through the lane for a layup or a dunk... Because trust me, the other players at that time did have those belts and were more than willing to show you how they got them. I can't even watch Professional Basketball today because of how soft it is. #Facts
They always forget Jordan left 93 to 94 then came out of retirement and won 3 championships James has had to play longer to achieve what Jordan did in less time I'm sorry Jordan would have another 10000 plus points and this debate wouldn't even come up
They ALWAYS forget that plus the fact Jordan didn't go straight to the NBA PLUS LeBron never had to tangle with guys like Rodman, Oakley, Laimbeer, and Mahorn, to name a few!
When Michael Jordan played, Basketball was the undisputed #1 Sport in America, heck it was popularized almost everywhere around the Globe, Basketball has never been at a higher point comparatively with other sports than when Michael Jordan was the Face of the NBA . Lebron can't even make Basketball the #1 Sport in the United States, NFL is the king atm, more revenue from far less games . Magic and Bird saved Basketball Michael Jordan took Basketball to the Top Lebron James is just along for the Ride
Love how they bring up Scottie the best teammate he ever had and that’s why Lebron is better when Lebron just hops around to where he can get the next HOF teammate pair.
Rohith Yeleti He could have torn his ACL if he hadn't taken a break, that's why these types of arguments are silly. You never know what would have happened.
Dario Jugović Kobe averaged 23 against Dallas while Lebron only averaged 17 4 straight 4th quarters with 2 points or less. 2011 NBA finals Lebron was third on the team in scoring, committed 24 total turnovers, and only shot 60% from the free throw line. His Game Score total was a lackluster 13.7 - showing that is overall productivity throughout the series was a bit over average
I've been saying, there's just a different admiration, respect and charisma when a player wins several championship with his original team or with 1 team. MJ was good, if not great when he was a rookie, Pippen and the rest who joined MJ as a rookie wasn't as good or great when they started. They all were pushed, inspired, bullied by MJ to get better and they got better as a team. LBJ, joined an already established great champion and an already established great player in D. Wade when he won his ring, then he also joined an already established great player in Kyrie Irving. LBJ hasn't won a ring where he helped the team grow and developed as a unit. It was always enhanced through adding other great superstars. Granted, MJ's 2nd 3peat was something similar when they added Rodman, but they were aging already at that time. Remove MJ on his 1st 3peat Bulls and remove LBJ on his Miami championship team, who do you guys think would win in that series if they play against each other? I'm pretty sure most of you would pick D.Wade & Bosh's Miami, over Pip & Grant's Bulls. Point is, Wade and Bosh was already stars, Wade was already a proven champion when LBJ won with Miami, while Pip only developed into a superstar within the Bulls
2011 ages when LeFrozen happened: Jason Terry age-33 Dirk Nowitzki age-33 Jason Kidd age-38 LeBron James age-26 Chris Bosh age-27 Dwayne Wade age-29 2014 ages when LeCramp happened: Tony Parker age-32 Manu Ginóbili age-37 Tim Duncan age-38 LeBron James age-29 Chris Bosh age-30 Dwayne Wade age-32 LeBron was getting dog walked by senior citizens.
So Lebron getting dog walked is averaging 28 points 4 ast and 2 stls in the 2014 finals but he got dog walked and people also don’t talk about Dwayne wade and Chris Bosh only averaging 15 points that series with wade averaging 43 percent in field goal u make me laugh
shannon... you're forgetting .... Michael beat the Pistons. Isaiah, Rodman in his prime, Joe Dumars, Laimbeer, etc. THEN he beat Magic/Worthy/Perkins/Scott Next year, he beat Clyde Drexler and the Trail Blazers The next year, he beat Charles Barkley in the best year of his career (for a guy who is arguably the greatest small forward in history) who also had KJ, Majerle, Tom Chambers, Danny Ainge... and that's just the first three. OH, and by the way, this is when teams played DEFENSE... and MJ got hammered every single night...
Please don’t list Majerle, Tom Chambers and Danny Ainge to boost Jordan ever again. Please, I’m begging you! Jordan never faced a great team in there prime in the finals , Lebron and Kobe have
you probably didn't watch it live... I really doubt you did... The Jazz were phenomenal and you're re-writing history into hate-story. Have a good day!
kelly gilford Not one team jordan beat in the finals is a top 10 all time team. Lebron and Kobe have faced more all time great teams that WERE IN THIER PRIME than MJ did
Nah, if he was that good would not have lost 6 Finals, he is like 7th best all time player. Kobe is 5-2 in Finals Larry Bird also was better all around player than him
The Bulls were 34-31 in the 1994 when MJ came back and finished 47-35. Yeah, they lost to the Magic, but this man was retired and played 17 regular season games and had this impact on his team. Then next year, return to dominance.
How are the 1991 Lakers old? Magic was 31, Worthy was 29 and Byron Scott was 29.....so in that case when LeBron finally BEAT the Celtics in 2011 and 2012 with Garnett 35, Pierce 36 and Allen 34 they werent old?
Exactly!! lebron fans and their double standards. Not only that, but “old” dirk lead his team to victory over lebron’s superteam. “Old” duncan won against lebron, twice. oh so Jordan beat old teams, huh?? Guess what, lebron fans, the 1998 bulls are the oldest team to win the title. The 1997 bulls are the third oldest. Oh, btw, the second oldest team to win is the the team that beat lebron’s heavily favored team in 2011.
It's funny how you make it seem like Byron Scott, Worthy, and Magic were a Big 3. Byron Scott? Lmao. Guess who else was on that team? Tony Smith? Terry Teagle? Vlade Divac? Don't ever put the Magic Johnson's role players on the same line as KG, Pierce, Allen, & Rondo. Like LeBron, Magic carried a bunch of bums to the Finals. I've never seen MJ do it.
I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE RINGS .6-0 AGAINST 3-5 . OR WHO'S BETTER UNDER PRESSURE. with the game on the Line. Or Stats ( pts,asts, rbs). LET'S TALK ABOUT WHO'S A BETTER DEFENDER . Jordan in 13 years , had 9 ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM AWARD ? lebron in 15 ONLY has 5 ? Jordan won DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR . lebron Never has won that achievement. Jordan NEVER EVER was seen as a lazy defender in regular season let alone playoffs or Finals. As a matter of fact Chicago won the last Tittle (1998) Because not only Jordan shot over Russell but Jordan Defense on Malone. LOOK AT LEBRON DEFENSE THESE PAST COUPLE YEARS . It's getting to the point that even analysis and commentators during the playoffs or Finals are calling out lebron for his Defense. A lazy dude that don't wanna play defense. Look at the 2017 finals . And we got some bias and LEBRON'S fans ANALYSTS coming with a...oh ."he just saving some energy. ". LMFAO. !
@@lmenzol @Lmenzol phil jackson is on camera saying rodman is the best player he ever coached. rodman was a beast. he could've been the GOAT but decided to do the dirty work and party all night and let Isaiah, Robinson, and MJ score all the points, but rodman's stats are as insane as MJs and watching him shut down everyone from Magic and MJ when he was with the pistons, to Shaq when he was 36 and Shaq was 26. Rodman was an athletic freak. one of a kind. and now he is trying to change the world by opening the isolated N Korea
Jordan if born today can play in today's game and be undisputed GOAT! His athletic, competitive nature and natural talent will push him to adopt and excel to be the best of all time, wherever and whenever he is to be placed.
William Doster Micheal Jordan- has Scotty Pippin by his side every single championship, and then gets the best rebounder and defensive big man, in the game at the time, as teammates. And wins 6. Jordan had a great team, and a perennial All-Star Pippin, who is THE BEST Second Guy ever, by his side the whole time. Without Pippin, Jordan has the exact same finals record as LeBron.
@@GoatPopsicle Lebron left Cleveland the first time to join a group of MVPs in Miami. He didn't make his team the greatest in Miami, he joined multiple superstars to win championships, twice. Jordan stayed with Chicago and made his team better then retired then returned and won again and again. Jordan made the Bulls better and the Bulls made Jordan better. Jordan is still #1, sorry.
"Now hes better than Kareem ?" Lmao kills me everytime. Michael looked offended throughout this entire segment. 😂😂😂😂 "He got debts to pay all over this building"
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Does LeBron have any chance at passing Jordan as the GOAT?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED Never gonna happen period. Jordan no finals loss ever.
no.
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED No, A three peat and no game 7 and no jumping on another team to make a big three and etc.
LeBron will never get to be Jordan or the goat cause of the things the obstacles that Jordan had to overcome and what Jordan did and the way he did it LeBron has no way of competing with his legacy
only thing he will have better than Jordan in stats Points, Steals,Assist,Rebounds, Blocks others than that championship wise he'll never catch up or anything
"He got bored of it! He went to play Baseball" hahahahah! I love Rapaport!
And it was true. Jordan pretty much said it himself. He said if he couldn't find anything to challenge himself then it was time for him to walk away from the game of basketball. Pretty much, it was too easy for him at that point.
Oh that’s easy! Lebron
@@dablocishot77 Or he had such a gambling problem he needed to leave the game. If that was the case about not finding a challenge then why did he play for the Wizards and was a JOKE on the court.
@@radardkooy I wont even respond to this uneducated comment lmfao. Clearly you were born in the 2ks.
@@radardkooy how was he a joke? He was old and still stomping young cats... Not quite as dominating as before but still dangerous.
Rapaport should play Larry Bird in a movie
He can play bird as a coach
Gross. Get someone actually worthy of playing a legend like Bird.
Not tall enough
ed norton should play larry
Bird is a hoosier legend.. straight hick from southern indiana.. why would you want a loud mouth new yorker to play him in a movie.. bird and this guy have almost nothing in common
“Sorta like a young skip Bayless” 😂😂😂😂
he said “stick Bayless”
Forrest Mann Chris lebroussard LoL Chris Broussard is prolly the most factual n unbiased analyst right now idk if he’d take lebron over jordan
Well he did play for the legendary Hank Iba...
because they are both white?
Labron james has used illegal drugs ..
I watched every Finals MJ played in. The entire country was a Jordan fan. The entire country.
I can vouch for Australia when I say entire country here too
MJ was global without social media ! I remember when MJ retired we all stopped playing basketball for a bit
I stopped caring about basketball in '99
Except me. I was loyal to the purple & yellow all day. But now i have no problem calling him the G.O.A.T.
All you had to hear was that intro with the lights and the lasers....
Micheal Rapaport is spot on Micheal Jordan.
Sir that's an UNDERSTATEMENT!
Kyle Snyder the nba literally rigged the league in favor of mj or should I say David sterns son
@@dhdydbemjxgcn2141 damn, that’s some saltyness
@@MUSHROOMAN4 that’s some truth
@@MUSHROOMAN4 you got to admit there became a point in time where you couldn't even touch mj..... Lance Stephenson literally would got tech'd for blowin in mike's ear like that,...
Sharpe: “How many Lebrons you know?”
Skip: “what does that mean?” 😂😂😂
One of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard lmao
@@mikiasbekele6672 stupidest?
@@mikiasbekele6672 grammar 🫥?
@@geezerschrist3447 stupidest is a real word. Like what u lot trippin’ bout?
You don't hear any kid saying they want to be like Lebron they always wanted to be Jordan When a kid played in the school yard and was taking a shot whose name would they say? Jordan that's who
Kobe is my favorite, not saying he’s the best . But that’s my guy
Mamba for life 🐍
But the Thing is we can appreciate winners like Bill Russell n MJ and I'm a Kobe fan
Yeh man, the discussion should be about who is your favourite not who is GOAT. The discussion is so stupid. It’s not comparable. It’s literally different leagues
Antoine Ones yup
80's and 90's era was a big boy era modern era cupcake era
J B Kobe’s better than Lebron I believe Kd will catch Kobe before lebron . Lebrons time is over .
3 years later I still watch this from time to time. "He started playing baseball im done with this"😭😭😭😭😭
If I had a dollar for every time skip brought up LeBron's plus/minus, I could buy an NBA team.
James Burgess same thing with the Dallas meltdown
Just because Sean Lee wasn't on the field
Same thing with Ray Allen "greatest clutch shot I have ever seen"
Sean Lee and Ray Allen's 3 pointer, you know it and I know it
TheChunlilover I don't even like LeBron like that. He only bringing up ONE stat, like, LeBron has worst stats this year he can bring up. But the same one every single time?
Especially one like plus/minus, a stat that doesn't account for the production of players on the court at the time.
American sports media: “damn, no NBA games this week... what can we talk about? ... got it! Let’s bring up MJ vs LeBron for the 2000000000th time.”
DH It's always an interesting subject because it's an arguable one and can go either way because it's a matter of opinion and personal perspective. Choose one, there are a bunch of supporting points for it, choose the other, and there are a bunch of supporting points for it. This is always an interesting topic and will be for the next many years. Almost every single sports fan has an opinion on this topic, and it just truly shows us how great these two guys were and are.
Yeah it's like back in 2005 Mike verse Kobe for the 200,000 to time
DH haha these guys always go at it haha. Too funny I love when rob Parker or Micheal Rappaport comes on.
Shannon got mad and fired up when Michael Rapaport put him on blast about that unpaid bet 😂😂😂
Mike old school he keeps you on your toes
Rap is one to talk about welching on bets.
👍👍👍
“You hate the Spurs, you always call them broccoli” 😂😂
MJ played the game like he knew deep down inside he was the GOAT, Lebron plays like he's trying to make people say he's the GOAT.
FACTS
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
Theodor Dinu Facts
Jordan: “I play every game like it’s my last”
Lebron: “yeh, dis ‘load management’ right hurr”
Ethan Druart exactly
Rappaport:"Take that number off!"
Yes!
Real GOATs don’t talk about how good they are, they let their game do the talking
Leo🐐
Sham Kala-Kadima Ali said it with his chest and backed it up
@Ryan Kearney how so?
Lebron said that the cleveland championship 2016 felt the greatest of all time. MJ never said that, his game speak by him.
If you say you are the best that doesn't mean you are not?That doesn't make sense you need to find a word for that for example ARROGANT.
"The only thing he can catch is his hairline" i actually spit out my drink laughing 😂 💀 GTFOH
"It was too easy, he started playing baseball, I'm done with this!" (:
Only the real GOAT will never say he's the GOAT, for humbleness is the hallmark of the GREATEST...
@Shacari Sperley I never said jordan... You did.
@Shacari Sperley HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Lmao back when Jordan was playing he'd constantly call himself the best player in the world.
Only the real GOAT will never give that title to someone else...
Plus if you're talking about jordan he is not humble lol. He used to say "there is no I in team, but there is one in win"
Jordan is the GOAT for a ton of reasons. One reason is that while Lebron is supposedly the "greatest all around player in nba history" Michael Jordan has the most complete resume in NBA history.
Jordan has the stats unlike Russell. He has the rings unlike Wilt. He was the best player in all his rings unlike Kareem, Kobe or Shaq. He took the game globally unlike Bird & Magic who took the game nationally. He dominated the league unlike Lebron who only dominated the conference
Ohhhh telll emmmmm
Well put!!!
Rodman should have been the finals MVP in 96, but yup.
@@wellyforpm Rodman was just defense. Jordan did it both sides of the ball
If Rodman could've gave them 15pts then I would agree. You're never gonna get finals mvp on defense alone
Skips faces in this are amazing 😂
D wade won a chip before lebron came lol no argument
100% 👍
Phil Jackson won a chip before Jordan came lol no argument.
KINGSHOTTAH442 no he didnt lmfao they came the same year 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@lakerfan2469 Phil won as a player
Rory Hotchkiss SHAAAAAQ
damn i died when my man said cheerleader and pointed to shanon 🤣🤣🤣
Right 😂😂
Priceless 🤣
Yo Shannon, you are the man and I love you bruh but Rapaport gave it to you...
Yeah reminds me of that Dmx song ...
x1Brolic not even close
Hes welched on 2 bets. Hes a bum.
I love you Michael Rapaport!!! Telling it like it is! Keeping it real! Rapaport is saying everything I absolutely agree with!!!!!!!
I bet he know more about Larry bird..u know that's his pops...🤣🤣🤣
MR feeds the trolls who lack knowledge of sports lol anyone eating up what he says is a blind hater
Hot in black = Joy Taylor 😍
Ray Torres...yep, I'll take her over Molly.
Everything from a burlap sack
She's hot in BLACKED 😂😂
D M collect your W
I remember Shannon Sharpe being a loudmouth when he played for the Broncos. He's definitely stayed consistent.
One thing about us black people is we are born talkative it's a chore and a half to make us shut up
@@hiddenjocelyn1088 maybe you but not all of us lol
@@98ore 8h
You ain't never seen Michael Jordan score 8 pts in the Finals, Shannon. You ain't never seen MJ shoot 13 shots in a Finals game, Shannon. You ain't never seen MJ disappear in the Finals! I think that's enough said. There's a lot of great players. LeBron is amazing. But the "little" things make the difference, greatness is in those "little" things. A 2011 Finals perfomance like that - it's one of those little things that makes it impossible to call LBJ the GOAT.
PS You talkin about Jordan playing with an all-star ? LeBron went to Miami to play with Wade and Bosh......... Are you serious ?
Atanas Kolev You mentioned one finals but don’t mention when Jordan didn’t even go to the finals
Atanas Kolev you also ain’t ever seen Jordan go to the nba finals 9 times
Atanas Kolev I’ve never seen MJ in a finals without Pippen either. Enough said 😂😂
One way of measuring greatness is how you gather yourself after stumbling lbj did that after that 2011 finals...
Bosh was even top 5 in his position gtfoh.
"Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert accused the NBA's MVP of quitting during the playoffs." TWICE!!!!
That's cause he did...getting swept twice...at least get one game...AI did it against Shaq and Kobe!
Lets no act like MJ never quit.. I mean how many times did he retire? 😂😂
@@Encentivez if that's the case....everyone who retires actually quit. Dumb logic
@@knowledgeseeker8582 He did quit to go play baseball 😂 came back and then retired foh bozo! That’s a FACT!
@@Encentivez so....retiring is quitting to you. Smdh.... your logic mean Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Bird, etc all quitted? Idiot
It’s funny how Lebron fans say Jordan beat the Pistons when they were old, but never bring that up when Bron beat the Celtics in 2012...
Or the Spurs....
😂 rondo was only 26
addivt obviously the celtics were known for the big 3. Kg 35, Allen 35, PP 33...and yet pistons are considered old with Thomas and rodman 30, laimbeer 33, dumars is actually younger than mj.
Michael Jordan had to go against the Celtics team that went to the NBA finals 4 years straight and yet he was able to score 65 points against them and actually make it competitive pretty much on his own
x10ndo Dumars was only 28 too
Lebron is good but Michael has special. The best ever👍
Watching all these after watching the “Last Dance” documentary, damn Lebron will never catch MJ. MJ is just on another level.
Awee yea just wait till lebron released his documentary
@@lalapanikan725 cant change a 3-6-1 record with a documentary
@@BigShotNBA What?🤣🤣
@@lalapanikan725 To see what? How he's lost 6 Finals? How he got bounced by the Mavs? How he quit on his team with 5 mins to go with a 1st round series game on the line?
@@lalapanikan725 Hope he include how many rings he gave away add the first round golf vacation GOAT.
47 GAME 2021 The rest was for load management play off LBJ is gone it's over.
Jordan would never have asked Magic,Bird,Barkley or any great player of his time to team up to win championships. That's why he is and will always be the GOAT !
Who has better offense? Who has better defense ? I think everyone knows the answers! Mj is the best !
Nah Lebron defence is on another lvl
Yes another level. Lower one for sure 😃
Who’s more efficient a better 3pt shooter ? We all know that answer
Goat topic is dumb
Playing against plumbers and your local garbage man 🤣
The hilarity of this is that everything Shannon predicted turned out to be wrong: Warriors SWEPT the Cavs 4-0 in the 2018 NBA finals.
Rob Parker predicted it all lol
But the Warriors had KD even tho people, including Max K., act like Lebron is so far better than KD
& Ray Allen made it to the HOF
I will say it one more time. How was it possible for Jordan to beat a 70+ team, when he was the 70+ team?
Dominic dominic how many u got
Arjan Ang I believe he only did it once and not a different team was ever as good so that didn't happen lol
The reason Lebron will never be seen as better than MJ is because of Phil Jackson. Spoelstra was a great coach but he's no Phil Jackson and Tyron Lue, at times, looks like he has no idea what he was doing. Lebron has had to continually lead his team basically by himself to the finals where the other teams are way better than any team MJ ever faced. The Warriors and the Spurs are two of the best teams ever. The Spurs won four championships together and (without even counting the one Duncan won in 99) and the warriors own the best record of all time, before they even got Durant, who will end up being, at least, at top 20 player of all time and is probably a better scorer than MJ. Lebron has had to deal with better team than MJ ever had to face and it's because Jordan had a good coach and a good organization where Lebron has had pretty bad ones. If Pat Riley had coached the heat instead of Spoelstra, not only would Lebron still be there, but I have no doubt he would have seven straight finals and be considered the best player of all time.
Arjan Ang Oh your right...MJ just beat Magics Lakers the bad boy Pistons Regies pacers Malone and Stoctons Jazz Shawn Kemp's sonics ect.. MJ was soo god damn good he left basketball it was just too easy no challenge left. Then he comes back and STILL dominated. Lets all admit her would have won 8 finals if he never retired.
charlie harris what? The reason MJ is seen as better isbhe was the greatest scorer and defender PERIOD. last I checked Basket Ball is about scoring defense and winning and MJ did it all. Lebron fans just want Lechoke to ve the greatest
He made it through without swearing good job Micheal
This was hilarious 😂 Man said get your pomp pomps. Called Shannon a straight cheerleader. It’s exactly what he is 💀😭😂
Shannon is LeBron’s number one groupie
@@trentonjohnsonjr7855 Facts
MJ never flopped during his entire career, let that sink in. I saw someone clotheslined MJ and he stood up, LBJ would have gone to the hospital.
Lestat Facts! 😂
Lmfao frfr
Truth.
Remember he aint play his ENTIRE career ? He went to go play baseball 😂😂
AGC 🤣🤣😂😂😂That's str8 facts bruh..
People forgot that when MJ was drafted by Chicago their franchise was one of the wrost in the league. Same as Cleveland nobody wanted to play with the Bulls so for the first 3 peat they had to build their core through the draft. Leaving can't be used as an excuse.
Chris Faux, yeah we can. He dictates what teammates and still looks stupid.
The thing is LeBron carried them so much that they never got good draft picks. They constantly placed top 5 so they never got the good picks. The bulls tanked.
^^^ yep. The Bulls in Jordan's first 3 seasons didn't reach over 40 wins, and I think way too many people forget about MJ not doing anything before he had Phil Jackson coaching him. LeBron was leading a 50 win team in his 3rd year.
CHicago and something else Chris. The league was trying to stack the Knicks, that's why they put Ewing on there.
Tristan Nowicki yeah getting in the playoffs = tanking. bron didnt make the pos his first two yrs... mj did. rs records are due to extrapolated records with 7 less teams... those 7 teams added help popularize tanking
Omg Michael was so damn funny. Made the whole segment.
DAMN, JOY!!!! ❤😍❤ I mean Jesus Christ, man!
D-Wattz joy is a fox indeed
the other girl when broussard and parker were on was way better
Paradigm Shift who was that?
Paradigm Shift
I hope you don't mean that plastic-looking chick.
D-Wattz what was her name? She was hot
Jordan has fans, LeBron has cheerleaders.
victor hosey I rather have cheerleaders
Sankeerth Koshy lmao. Me too 😈😂😂😂
Richie Young 😂
@@philcarter663 lol see u LeBron fanboys can never make valid points or argument haha why is that? Yo just cause someone doesn't worship the ground LeBron walks on doesn't mean they're haters...lol seriously and another thing the NBA wasn't invented in 2010 lol even tho I know all u kids nowadays thinks it was
@@washburn11000 and who said anyone was hating? Where r u getting this from
'Is Kevin Garnett going to The Hall of Fame?'
2020: Yup.
Everytime Shannon says LeBron faced GSW(juggernaut).
Guess what, BULLS themselves were the JUGGERNAUTS.
They don't call him "LeFLOP" for nothing. Jordan once told B Scott before a game he'd drop 50 on Anthony Peeler. He ended up with 54. He was simply unstoppable and his will to win was unmatched. MJ GOAT.
As a Lakers fan for 30+ years, dropping 54 on a rookie Peeler isn't all that impressive lol.
@@josephjohnroe3678 Kobe Bean Bryant dropped 81 on the Raptors. LeChoke never did that.
@@BlakeTheSnake98 cool story, even though irrelevant.
Blake 98 neither did Mj
@Joseph Johnroe but what player now putting 50 on a took the rook putting 50 or 40 on the vets these days
😁Lol he said the only thing LeBron is gon catch is Jordan hair line😂😂😂😂
Derek Huntington 😂😂😂 who
*Crickets* lol
He had to look down at his notes real quick to remember that joke.
corny asf
Derek Huntington Jordan had no hairline
Hahaha got eeeeeeeem!
LeBron is LeBron & MJ is MJ. Mj had a great career & LeBron career still going at the end of the day MJ fans will see him as the GOAT & LeBron fans will see LeBron as the GOAT that just the way it is
Thomars Carter it could all be that simple
It's really that simple. I mean, this whole MJ vs LeBron is silly. Silly might not be an apt word to describe it, but you get my point. LeBron's LeBron. Okay, he might not surpass MJ in terms of rings, but his career should be highly appreciated. His longevity, outspokenness, pass-first mannerism, is another realm. Plus, with that much scrutiny, he lived up to the expectation. We will have to wait for years to have this kind of talent.
Thomars Carter W
Thomars Carter W
Thomars Carter agreed people are silly
It’s not just WHAT HE DID ITS HOW HE DID IT THAT MAKES MJ THE GOAT…
O you mean losing in 95 and recruiting rodman after? No Rodman no Jordan...well no pippen no Jordan either....Jordan was losing in the first round and getting swept before he got pippen
@@anon2414 ???
The mentality of MJ is to win! He made his team mates look better! He didn't complain about getting other great players. Confidence gave him all the titles...Beat that!!!
Yh he definitely didn’t say that he needed Pippen to win? Which player u know winds without help? The ignorance be real
@@Matt-hs7gs every player technically won with help but mj didnt have to build superteams. Mj won 6-0 in finals with the bulls but lebron was only 4-6 even with superteams. So if lebron wins this season i wont count it
@@LOL-mq6om didn't MJ request Denis Rodman to the bulls?? lol smells like a big three making to me
@@kaeseyztv mj req rodman and lbj recruited a lot of superstars lmao mans even tried to rec steph in the all star game
MJ played in a much tougher area.
"It was to easy he (Jordan) started playing baseball. I'm done with this." Too funny!!!
Jordan won 3 in a row then his Dad was murdered. He took 2 years off. Then came back and won 3 more in a row. He would’ve won 8 in a row. Yes, would’ve blown out Hakeem. 8 in a row. EASY
Edit:
I need to add THIS. Not only would he have won 8 in a ROW, if stupid Jerry Krause (well I shouldn’t call him stupid, he’s dead), but if less than intelligent at the time Jerry Krause had not allowed the great Dynasty to be broken up, Jordan and Co. would’ve won 10+ in a ROW. Like , I’m sure 10, but maybe 12 to 13 or 14.........what if’s........
Nathaniel Charles Music absolutely FACTS 👍🏼💯
Nathaniel Charles Music not so sure bout that Hakeem was a beast
Debatable, Bulls got beat by Orlando, but Hakeem swept Orlando
It's also debatable, that if MJ had played that full season and been in basketball shape they'd have won. The next year they went 72-10. It's all speculation but it sure feels like if MJ didnt take the years off the Bulls wouldn't have lost.
You forgot when he returned and was good enough to score 45 in the garden but got beat by Orlando in the playoffs and then went and begged Rodman to join
King Flop had to go to teams that were already good. MJ MADE the Bulls!
But he also needed Dennis Rodman after being eliminated in 1995
So Miami being out in the first round and the lakers who weren't in the playoffs since 2014 before lebron came in were already good teams. Yeah that makes a ton of sense ty
@@victordelacruz4449 miami got chris bosh and lebron to win twice and lakers got AD and Lebron. Lebron alone didnt make those teams better. lebron didnt even reach finals without AD
Just ask anyone who is number 23.
Problem solved!
Absolutely. MJ for life.
Oh yea I know who it was lebron doesn't he wear 23
Dave you'd be in the extreme minority.
This generation thinks it's Lebron
Mj
Agree with Rapaport's analysis. But the one thing I wish he had mentioned was Jordan's obsessive drive to win with the hand he was dealt. With the exception of only 4 starter players (Rodman, Longley Cartwright and Harper) on both 3 peat teams, everyone was home grown. And of those free agent/received starters, with the exception of Rodman, no one was an All-Star or exceptional at their position. Most were drafted by the Bulls. He didn't hop around looking for a super team. He took what he got and made every single player on his roster better. He didn't just make the team better with some arbitrary stat. He made every player on the roster pick up more than they could carry by scrimmaging with them, teaching them and testing them to be the best that they could be. James has never done that. His championships were won with made men: Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love and now with Davis. Bottomline: James finds (or receives) the pieces to win championships. Jordan grooms his pieces to win championships. Jordan= The GOAT
I also wish they would have mentioned the Bulls in 94-95 were 34-31 before MJ came back and finished strong with him at 13-4 and snuck into the 5 seed. They were struggling terribly in season 2 without him and wound up winning 72 games and another title the following yr with him, as well as the next 2, including playing without Pippen for 38 games in 97-98 and still winning 62 games and the title.
Different eras🤦🏾♂️ we live in a world where there is a lot more talent in the league in general.. Just like everything else the game is evolving.. Jordan was in a time where there was 1 superstar to a team on average, LOTS more balance then
@@gspazzthaassassin the league now is much less physical making scoring much easier. There are no physical, larger defenders like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Mutumbo, Mourning, Larry Johnson, Anthony Mason, Malone, Barkley... Centers now are beanstalk hanging out by the 3 point line not clogging the lane making it easy for ANY player to score very easy baskets. Look at the posterizing dunk from 20-25 yrs ago and now. The player then was jumping over or through 3-5 players or a 7 foot tree of a human trying to tackle him to stop him. Now it's over a guy just standing there trying to get a charge. Players stayed on teams or only were one per team because of loyalty to their franchises or they had pride. They wanted to beat their friends and wanted to be the best of the best without question or help. Now they all want easy titles and to make it easier on themselves. It's sad now
So Pippen was not a Star? Kukoc made the All Star team
@@kaashifameer3583 kukoc NEVER was an All Star
I like it when rapaport comes on, because he is easily less biased than skip and Shannon
He quits on his team , I've seen him do it twice . Once with San Antonio in the finals & this year he did it again . Even if we lose , I don't respect quiters that's the new era record .
Coming back from 3-1 in the finals is exactly how quitters do it!!!!
Shut up
God damn Joy
Hmmmm joy is a peach!
That black outfit oh lawd😵
Bro I say this every time I watch the show lol
Mark Newton she's perfection in the flesh.
kirk mitchell Joy would never go out with a Kirk. Lol
8:44 HUMMUS 🤣🤣 rapaport kills me 🔥😭
Joy is truly a joy to watch 😏
Tbh i dont really like joy she always seems to side with skip 😏
Fam go outside!! 😂😂😂😂
Ian Ford lol didnt know all that
APEXx she looks like a transgender
+Andrew Terrell because she's not stupid, Shannon always tries to get her, but she says no and sides with Skip to jab him one
MJ is the GOAT no discussion about that you can have great players in every period but there will never be another MJ he is simply the GOAT
If someone were to win more championships, accolades and become better in most major statistical categories, would you still call MJ the goat? Please give me your honest opinion
@@ccbgaming6994 Yes indeed, I would still call MJ the GOAT. You need to put conditions of the individual performances to the reality of that period and circumstances. Even if a player would not win a single championship but his individual performance is the best ever that person would potentially still be the GOAT. The issue here is he was way better than the best of his era, he was and still is the most creative player ever and I do not believe there will be a more creative player ever. Wembanyama can and most probably will beat everyone in statistics at the end of his career, but put a Kenny lofton JR against him, he will struggle. That was not the case with MJ they threw everything possible at him in his era he still outclassed them all by a mile.
@baybarshan2500 So you’re saying that someone could win 10 chips, 10 mvps, 10 fmvp, 5 dpoy, more all-star selections, average 35 pts, 10 ast, 15 trb, 60% fg, 45% fg3, 90% fr, break the scoring record, play against the toughest teams ever with an unstacked team himself, and you would still call MJ the goat?
@@ccbgaming6994 Yes, Lebron doesn't have the creativity and resilience as MJ ! To be the GOAT only stats are NOT enough MJ had close stats too but he had more than that and Lebron doesn't have that !
@baybarshan2500 First of all, ARE YOU ON DRUGS?! Let’s make it clear that I’m talking about a hypothetical player in the future, not Lebron, not any current player, not any prospective player. How is it that you can look at that list and
say MJ would still be the goat. This hypothetical player would have to have even more creativity and resilience to accomplish what they did. You’re either an MJ d-rider or done gone overdosed.
not this dude again with jordan vs lbj again...so old and played out. we get it u dont like lbj.
This man said his hairline 😭😭😂
Only reason MJ never came back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals, is that he never let the other team win more than 2 games.
They should stop giving Lebron credit for that, because to com back from 3-1 you first have to lose 3 games. Which Michael never did in a finals series.
That probably speaks to the level of competition he played. It’s not that MJ never let the series go 7. It’s that the other teams couldn’t go 7 cause they were not talented enough.
@@just-a-guy9857 no sir your looking at that wrong, Micheal Jordan's team was the juggernaut team sir thats why they won, and in case you didn't know they were juggernaut team because of.......yea you guessed it Micheal jordan
@@curtisjefferson778 not the greatest perimeter defender of all time and the best rebounder of his time on his team. Surrounded by the best head coach of all time and shooters. Then you put MJ into the equation and yeah… it’s a superteam
@@just-a-guy9857 excuse me Mr Jackson wasn't considered the greatest coach of anything before he came to Chicago also Micheal had 3 rings before Rodman came there and scottie isn't the greatest defender I could argue Micheal was a better defender, check the accolades buddy, on the other hand lebron had d.wade who is a far better scorer then scottie dreamed to be and bosh who is a far better scorer then Rodman "since your using him" ever dreamed to be and lost to the "oh yea" macho ,unbeatable, hall of fame casted ,Dallas mavericks "IN HIS PRIME" i could make the case that heat team as a unit is better then any of those bulls teams as a unit but none of them on that team is better then Jordan Jordan was collecting chips with scottie pippin annnnnnnddddddd..... who else?.....besides Rodman who literally is a roll player out there to get rebounds and play d but I like I said Jordan had chips before that with a bunch of nobody's so stop it bro lebron wish he could fill those shoes he tried and failed and traveled around the league chasing titles
@@curtisjefferson778 you're a joker man😂😂😂. Lemme tell u some, did u know that it doesn't matter if wade and Bosh were far better scorer than pippen and rodman ever dreamed of, u gotta understand that scoring is not the only way to win. When lebron played with the heatles dwade made the all NBA 1st team once and Bosh none. Pippen was multiple time 1st team and rodman was the best rebounder in the game. Bosh ain't that good at rebounding the ball as rodman and while playing with lebron he was a offensive bust to me, averaging in his best heat season 18.7pts and 8reb; he ain't get more points and rebounds average then in his first season which is his best one. The problem which is hard to admit is that dwade and Bosh were already on a descending stage of their career. Matter fact LeBron won twice the MVP and the FMVP in the 2yrs they won. And idc if u say "Allen saved his legacy" the man (Allen) scored 0 points in game 7 and Bosh scored 0 either. LeBron had 37/12/4 but everyone give credits to ray Allen in that series because of a shot in game 6. Obviously was important but it was a shot, ppl seem like they forget what lebron did all along that series AVG 25.3/10.9/7, and 2 times dude had triple doubles including the one in game 6. But people saying Allen saved LeBron legacy, like nah bro LeBron saved his own legacy by himself having 32/11/10, u can't count out lebron for what he did because if it wasn't for him , the Spurs had their title in game 4 tho. What I'm saying is that Jordan had better player at that stage of their career, and better all around players like kukoc (HOF), like Kerr (best shooter at the time). And when Jordan won his first 3 rings w/o those guys he had Orace Grant, Paxson exc... Those teams were crazily good, matter fact pippen carried both the year Jordan wasn't there far in the PO. And talking about Phil Jackson wasn't a great coach, I bet if u left Doug Collins there for more years Jordan would've had like 40ppg and still 0 chips. Jackson came there and took those guys on school of "how to be a winner Michael", because Jordan wasn't considered a winner at the time. And then, people argue LeBron had more help, tell me how many players lebron played with were in all NBA 1st/2nd team while playing with lebron, and how many were in nba 1st/2nd team while playing with Jordan huh. Bro Jordan let the bulls win the championship don't mistake my takes, Jordan is 1of1 even though I'm a lebron fan, but he had always a better team and organization than lebron has ever dreamed of, and went against weakest team than them all the time. LeBron was always the underdog for 6 time he went to the final. The only time he had the best team were in 2011/2012/2013 and with the Lakers in 2020, and guess what he won 3 out of 4, plus against the best team ever as the gws in 2016.
Michael Rapaport is Absolutely Correct, Absolutely Right, ON POINT 👍👍👍
Lebron quits when the heat gets tough. MJ would rather die than surrender.
One year. 2011. Other than that LeBron has always gone into the heat. Even Jordan got eliminated. Learn basketball scrub
@@boiiiitellyouwat9208 Lol, 2018 finals he just straight up quit and got swept. He went on a press conference with a cast in his hand.
Jordan got eliminated but he did not quit. This is evidence
Bulls vs Pistons
88= 4-1 Pistons
89= 4-2 Pistons
90= 4-3 Pistons
91= 4-0 Bulls.
He worked hard into making that bulls team one of the Greatest team of all time.
Its a testament to MJ he never quit if this lebron he would have jumped ship in 89 already and joined probably stockton and malone.
DeciPher Twenty three the pistons were not the warriors at all
@@demonreacts5908 Still a back to back champ with a loaded squad. LBJ got to the finals only to get 8-1 in two series.
DeciPher Twenty three yeah what team was lebron on? The warriors were likely the best team of all time, and in 2018 lebron has one of his worst team since 2007. come on dude, you bring no context
2 3-peats, 6 finals MVP's, never went to a game 7 in the finals, 6 put of 6 finals. And the most aggressive competitor the world has ever seen. When you're playing basketball with the homies, you yell out "Kobe!" during a jump shot or "Jordan!" when you dunk. I've never heard peeps say "LeBron!", cause they FLOPPED on the park cement.
Luis Martinez how many times did Jordan get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs? What about LeBron?
LOL man but people do say that when people flop hahaha
What talent if his talented he will never leaved cleveland and joined two superstar.he is weak
nabil chowdhury sweep 2x's
Luis Martinez u not even lying😂😂😰😰😴
Jordan complained about the pistons being dirty all the time...
Shazayum ong but people forget
Shazayum he did complain, but not all the time. He , and Pippen also did something about it. They hit the weights and got physically stronger to combat the bully pistons. The bullies could no longer beat the Bulls psychologically and that’s part of the reason the Bulls eventually prevailed.
What was there to complain about? The Pistons openly admitted their entire approach every time they played MJ.
Shazayum proof is the pistons admitting they used dirty play n i seen these games
They were dirty... look up photos.. lambier is the most dirty player of all time watch tape
The biggest thing I see between LB and MJ is, to quote Shoresy, is LB doesn't hate to lose. That is the crux of it. MJ loved to win but hated to lose.
Lebron also benefits from playing in the softest era of basketball ever, where if you breathe on someone it's a foul. Jordan played against some of the toughest defenses when there wasn't such a thing as a flagrant foul any time he drove the lane and got hammered each possession.
Exactly.
You'd have to be stupid to think that playing in the NBA was harder than it is now. There is a MUCH higher level of competition now. People always talk about how Lebron conditions himself so well to where he can withstand the durability and longevity he does, but that doesn't just apply to him. In today's NBA you have to offer that kind of commitment to your body and health to even have a chance of playing basketball at a high level. Jordan competed against great like Stockton and Bird, who obviously did not have that same commitment and frankly don't have the skill level to come close to the NBA today. Lebron has been competing and dominating against world class athletes for 82 game stretches for 16 years!! This is while maintaining the longevity and durbality and dominating game in and game out!!! The NBA is only getting harder and more difficult as time goes by and Lebron is the standard for anyone moving forward. This makes him the GOAT imo.
detsportsfan18 this is the #1 fact the younger generation can't grasp ....When Jordan played, he hand to be a Master and have a black belt in Brazilian jujitsu because there was hand checking at that time...today you can't even touch the player. When Jordan played, he also had to have a black belt in Kong Fu if he was even thinking about driving through the lane for a layup or a dunk... Because trust me, the other players at that time did have those belts and were more than willing to show you how they got them.
I can't even watch Professional Basketball today because of how soft it is. #Facts
Jedd Seredni my man...Larry Bird would make it rain for days on Lebron with his long range shooting.
Pump those brakes chief ✋🏿✋🏿 Pump those brakes.
THANK YOU
They always forget Jordan left 93 to 94 then came out of retirement and won 3 championships James has had to play longer to achieve what Jordan did in less time I'm sorry Jordan would have another 10000 plus points and this debate wouldn't even come up
Thats crazy
Fewer shots taken by Lebron🤷🏿♂️
@@nathanreuben90 wdym lebron has more search it up
They ALWAYS forget that plus the fact Jordan didn't go straight to the NBA PLUS LeBron never had to tangle with guys like Rodman, Oakley, Laimbeer, and Mahorn, to name a few!
Longevity is an argument for LeBron he is on top for much long then Michael could.
LeBron showing he is more durable than Jordan.
When Michael Jordan played, Basketball was the undisputed #1 Sport in America, heck it was popularized almost everywhere around the Globe, Basketball has never been at a higher point comparatively with other sports than when Michael Jordan was the Face of the NBA
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Lebron can't even make Basketball the #1 Sport in the United States, NFL is the king atm, more revenue from far less games
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Magic and Bird saved Basketball
Michael Jordan took Basketball to the Top
Lebron James is just along for the Ride
You forgot Kobe. You skipped bro? smh
SleepingGiant sounds right
So do you think magic and bird were better than LeBron? Please be honest
Speak preacher!!!
@@lilquinn9865 both are better than lebron
Love how they bring up Scottie the best teammate he ever had and that’s why Lebron is better when Lebron just hops around to where he can get the next HOF teammate pair.
This wouldn't be a conversation if MJ didn't retire twice...
Rohith Yeleti He could have torn his ACL if he hadn't taken a break, that's why these types of arguments are silly. You never know what would have happened.
Andrew Cruz Exactly
Not LeBron's fault MJ soft. The real GOAT is still going to this day.
@@makokenji4350 😂😂😂😂
I agree, internet has information moving too fast to really appreciate one player the way Michael Jordan was appreciate.
Damn when this topic comes on everybody mentions 2011 Mavs but didnt they sweep the lakers with Kobe before Heat and LBJ?
Nobody talks about that because it wasn’t in the finals lol
Kobe ain’t get shut down by JJ Barea and didn’t disappear!!
tony tonyt Kobe didn't have 2 other all-stars on his team and didn't score 8 points in a crucial game like ya boy LeChoke😂😂😂
Lebron wasnt coming off 3 str8 finals like Kobe was. Also...LeBron had 2 other all stars with him....Kobe didnt
Dario Jugović Kobe averaged 23 against Dallas while Lebron only averaged 17 4 straight 4th quarters with 2 points or less. 2011 NBA finals
Lebron was third on the team in scoring, committed 24 total turnovers, and only shot 60% from the free throw line. His Game Score total was a lackluster 13.7 - showing that is overall productivity throughout the series was a bit over average
I've been saying, there's just a different admiration, respect and charisma when a player wins several championship with his original team or with 1 team. MJ was good, if not great when he was a rookie, Pippen and the rest who joined MJ as a rookie wasn't as good or great when they started. They all were pushed, inspired, bullied by MJ to get better and they got better as a team. LBJ, joined an already established great champion and an already established great player in D. Wade when he won his ring, then he also joined an already established great player in Kyrie Irving. LBJ hasn't won a ring where he helped the team grow and developed as a unit. It was always enhanced through adding other great superstars. Granted, MJ's 2nd 3peat was something similar when they added Rodman, but they were aging already at that time. Remove MJ on his 1st 3peat Bulls and remove LBJ on his Miami championship team, who do you guys think would win in that series if they play against each other? I'm pretty sure most of you would pick D.Wade & Bosh's Miami, over Pip & Grant's Bulls. Point is, Wade and Bosh was already stars, Wade was already a proven champion when LBJ won with Miami, while Pip only developed into a superstar within the Bulls
2011 ages when LeFrozen happened:
Jason Terry age-33
Dirk Nowitzki age-33
Jason Kidd age-38
LeBron James age-26
Chris Bosh age-27
Dwayne Wade age-29
2014 ages when LeCramp happened:
Tony Parker age-32
Manu Ginóbili age-37
Tim Duncan age-38
LeBron James age-29
Chris Bosh age-30
Dwayne Wade age-32
LeBron was getting dog walked by senior citizens.
LeBron is a beast,but what you stated are facts that his fans try hard to forget!
So Lebron getting dog walked is averaging 28 points 4 ast and 2 stls in the 2014 finals but he got dog walked and people also don’t talk about Dwayne wade and Chris Bosh only averaging 15 points that series with wade averaging 43 percent in field goal u make me laugh
seth Ward You big mad buddy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bruce Rivers 😂😂😂😂😂
Bruce Rivers really really smh sounds like a Lebron hater to me and and u hate on a guy that will always be richer than u
"Scottie was OOOOOLD"
Oh he was old ?
He was old ?
HOW OLD WAS SCOTTIE THEN ?
😂😂😂
no kyrie
no ray allen
he'd be
1 for 7
But hes not
@Pranav Kapoor I think LeBron needs them tissues because he'll never pass Jordon😂😂
No Pippen no Rodman 0 for 0
@@Michael-mg5kq no kyrie ,no love, no wade and no bosh 0-0
Lebron never will be as good as Jordan but dont outright say hes trash
Surely MJ had the most pressure. MJ had to live up to “Be like Mike”
I'd take Kobe over Lebron in a heartbeat, so why is MJ over Lebron even a conversation?
Right? Wtf
Nobody cares who u take to be honest
Alot of people disagree with Kobe>LeBron, me included.
Definitely! Kobe is better
AC C. Because lebron is better than Kobe😂😂
shannon... you're forgetting .... Michael beat the Pistons. Isaiah, Rodman in his prime, Joe Dumars, Laimbeer, etc.
THEN he beat Magic/Worthy/Perkins/Scott
Next year, he beat Clyde Drexler and the Trail Blazers
The next year, he beat Charles Barkley in the best year of his career (for a guy who is arguably the greatest small forward in history) who also had KJ, Majerle, Tom Chambers, Danny Ainge... and that's just the first three. OH, and by the way, this is when teams played DEFENSE... and MJ got hammered every single night...
Also beat Stockton and Malone
Please don’t list Majerle, Tom Chambers and Danny Ainge to boost Jordan ever again. Please, I’m begging you! Jordan never faced a great team in there prime in the finals , Lebron and Kobe have
you probably didn't watch it live... I really doubt you did... The Jazz were phenomenal and you're re-writing history into hate-story. Have a good day!
kelly gilford Not one team jordan beat in the finals is a top 10 all time team. Lebron and Kobe have faced more all time great teams that WERE IN THIER PRIME than MJ did
@@felipe5955 hate on and rewrite that history.
When did Lebron even surpass Kobe for this vs MJ conversation to even start?
LeBron surpassed Kobe in 2016
He passed him in accomplishments maybe but individually Kobe is a better player
Rudy Cooper uhhh individually , Lebron the best overall player ever . Mj and kobe r better scorers , but Lebron best player
Nah, if he was that good would not have lost 6 Finals, he is like 7th best all time player. Kobe is 5-2 in Finals Larry Bird also was better all around player than him
Around 2014 or so.
i love MJ and i think he is the goat, but i enjoyed this conversation and the way they bullied shannon..its pretty funny and healthy arguement😂
The Bulls were 34-31 in the 1994 when MJ came back and finished 47-35. Yeah, they lost to the Magic, but this man was retired and played 17 regular season games and had this impact on his team. Then next year, return to dominance.
So baseball Jordan impact was that high to the team then let's imagine it's Basketball MJ 😂😂
95 not 94
Yeah and they won 55 games without him.
How are the 1991 Lakers old? Magic was 31, Worthy was 29 and Byron Scott was 29.....so in that case when LeBron finally BEAT the Celtics in 2011 and 2012 with Garnett 35, Pierce 36 and Allen 34 they werent old?
Tashrif Alam agree these letrash fans are annoying
Lol.
CHECKMATE
Exactly!! lebron fans and their double standards. Not only that, but “old” dirk lead his team to victory over lebron’s superteam. “Old” duncan won against lebron, twice.
oh so Jordan beat old teams, huh?? Guess what, lebron fans, the 1998 bulls are the oldest team to win the title. The 1997 bulls are the third oldest. Oh, btw, the second oldest team to win is the the team that beat lebron’s heavily favored team in 2011.
Tashrif Alam Got em that goes to show you how trash lefraud james is
It's funny how you make it seem like Byron Scott, Worthy, and Magic were a Big 3. Byron Scott? Lmao. Guess who else was on that team? Tony Smith? Terry Teagle? Vlade Divac? Don't ever put the Magic Johnson's role players on the same line as KG, Pierce, Allen, & Rondo. Like LeBron, Magic carried a bunch of bums to the Finals. I've never seen MJ do it.
He had air Jordan batteries in his back pack...😂😂😂
Kobe literally grew up in the social media age. Also since when did LeBron pass Kobe?
I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE RINGS .6-0 AGAINST 3-5 . OR WHO'S BETTER UNDER PRESSURE. with the game on the Line. Or Stats ( pts,asts, rbs). LET'S TALK ABOUT WHO'S A BETTER DEFENDER . Jordan in 13 years , had 9 ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM AWARD ? lebron in 15 ONLY has 5 ? Jordan won DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR . lebron Never has won that achievement. Jordan NEVER EVER was seen as a lazy defender in regular season let alone playoffs or Finals. As a matter of fact Chicago won the last Tittle (1998) Because not only Jordan shot over Russell but Jordan Defense on Malone. LOOK AT LEBRON DEFENSE THESE PAST COUPLE YEARS . It's getting to the point that even analysis and commentators during the playoffs or Finals are calling out lebron for his Defense. A lazy dude that don't wanna play defense. Look at the 2017 finals . And we got some bias and LEBRON'S fans ANALYSTS coming with a...oh ."he just saving some energy. ". LMFAO. !
Kamelody 2330 actually Dennis Rodman was locking down Malone. Rodman was the real reason the bulls won, but still Jordan is the best of all time
@@lmenzol @Lmenzol phil jackson is on camera saying rodman is the best player he ever coached. rodman was a beast. he could've been the GOAT but decided to do the dirty work and party all night and let Isaiah, Robinson, and MJ score all the points, but rodman's stats are as insane as MJs and watching him shut down everyone from Magic and MJ when he was with the pistons, to Shaq when he was 36 and Shaq was 26. Rodman was an athletic freak. one of a kind. and now he is trying to change the world by opening the isolated N Korea
Kamelody 2330 LeBron saved the finals with the best block in history on ingudola
@@garrettweber7062 best block in history??? lmfao ok bronsexual
Jordan if born today can play in today's game and be undisputed GOAT! His athletic, competitive nature and natural talent will push him to adopt and excel to be the best of all time, wherever and whenever he is to be placed.
LeShannon Sharpe gets so worked up defending LeBron like he's his husband.......
Joshua Chapman you should see Skips Twitter lmao
Cooper James Skip is the other extreme. He's the ultimate Jordan stan......
Joshua Chapman LeShannon Sharpe is one of the biggest Bronsexuals in the world
Michael Houston Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright and Colin Cowherd are the ultimate Bronsexuals......
Cownerd*
Shannon ! You walked out of here last year and you didn't pay me 😂😂😂😂😂
Jordan is the Goat but he definitely complained. Jordan cried so much they changed countless NBA rules.
That’s a lie. The whole league complained about the bad boys play style for years not just MJ
Ethiopian Pride but he compleined lol
Ethiopian Pride But JORDAN complained
Ethiopian Pride but he still did. To say that he really didn't is a god damn lie.
not even. MJ played air tight defense, and the pistons got the rule changed because the nba was afraid someone would litterally get murdered xd
“The only thing he can catch, is his hairline” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
"Only thing he can catch is his hairline" lmaooooooo
From a Chicagoan. This guy has charisma.
MJ 6 championships. Lebron 6 championship losses. Enough said
William Doster Micheal Jordan- has Scotty Pippin by his side every single championship, and then gets the best rebounder and defensive big man, in the game at the time, as teammates. And wins 6.
Jordan had a great team, and a perennial All-Star Pippin, who is THE BEST Second Guy ever, by his side the whole time. Without Pippin, Jordan has the exact same finals record as LeBron.
William Doster bill rusell 11 championship
Championships are a team accomplishment
Bill Russell, 11 championships. More rings than fingers. Enough said
@@GoatPopsicle Lebron left Cleveland the first time to join a group of MVPs in Miami. He didn't make his team the greatest in Miami, he joined multiple superstars to win championships, twice. Jordan stayed with Chicago and made his team better then retired then returned and won again and again. Jordan made the Bulls better and the Bulls made Jordan better. Jordan is still #1, sorry.
Shanon sharpe " dont do that" lmao!! Everytime
"Now hes better than Kareem ?" Lmao kills me everytime. Michael looked offended throughout this entire segment. 😂😂😂😂
"He got debts to pay all over this building"