Next FLC Lord? Lokhir Fellheart - Campaign Mechanics & Starting Location|Total War: Warhammer 2
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Sorry guys, it looks like i uploaded the wrong thumbnail. THAT'LL BE FIXED SHORTLY!!!
when do you think the new dlc will come?
the scourge of khaine faction is a direct reference to malus darkblade, he starts outside of ulthuan or he could start at hag gaef, has already a list of potential magical items from his lore books and has a unique cold one mount and we could finally have a lord that in lore fights malekith for the throne which lore wise no other DE lord really does. I dont see it being lokier espically since black arks are garbage currently in WH2 due to no sea battles
I really hope you're right, Lokhir is such an awesome char !
"You never beat off a horse".. lol Good lord.. bhahah
That mask is damn cool which is why i liked Gelt a lot, so id love to have him in the game.
I think he should start in either the South Lustria or In the South Lands near the High elves and to keep with the Admiral/pirate asthetic of this guy could have some penalties for land settlements but not for coastal settlements so that he would focus on a naval campaign experience raiding and razing coastal settlements
Just give his skill tree a ton of bonuses to raiding and razing. But hey i havent even played a Dark Elf Campaign yet xD
OH YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD! IT'S THE BEST!
Alec Adanglao Seriously tho you should play a DE campaign that Eco is otherworldly.
I think that a Black Arc Horde faction would be the coolest way to go put in Lokhir Fellheart, but it would be difficult from a mechanics standpoint because how would a horde and non-horde faction confederating work? I also think that he should probably be able to perform the rite of Mathlann more often than other Dark Elf factions, and that he should have some mechanic that makes them grow faster. But I think he should have a special naval stance when close enough to coast that acts as a raiding stance by providing income and some slaves each turn. Call it “Pillage” or “Plunder” stance and also make it an option for Black Arcs to be put in when close enough to the coastline. After all, Alith Anar has a special stance for a High Elf faction, why can’t Lokhir Fellheart have a unique stance compared to other Dark Elf Factions. This not only plays into his lore well, but it will give Fellheart an economic boost he’s most likely going to need since he’s probably not going to really be trading with anyone besides other Dark Elves. Hell, maybe add that as a mechanic for Fellheart where, because of his reputation as a pirate and slaver, he can’t trade with factions outside of Dark Elves and maybe Skaven and Norscans.
But what should his extra starting units be? I personally think it should be two units of Black Arc Corsairs, a Scourgerunner Chariot, and a Kharibdyss.
every single dark elf lord is a slaver there's no reason for him to be limited to those factions
There could just be no confederation. I mean, he doesn't want to control naggaroth. And they can't control him...
But yes, I love the idea of him being a black ark horde based faction. That'd be fucking awesome.
Black ark Colonization.
We would need a damn Black Ark map. Because hell, I wont play an auto-resolve lord in Warhammer.
Now if Lokhir became a black ark when at sea, and became the DE equivalent of a horde faction lord. I would mind it as much, but still dont like the auto resolve at sea. And will keep arguing we need a land battle at a random coast map for sea battles.
I agree. I think it's going to be Fellheart. However I think he should start out on a buffed up Black Ark. It fits his character and it provides options for starting locations.
I was mostly Team Malus but ... considering Fellheart is a pirate, and hence can be placed everywhere as starting position, and they only added Sartosa the pirate isle to ME, and a new faction is likely Southern Realm DoW, and we had that “sparrow“ entry in the code ... all signs point to a DE pirate lord
Of course all signs also pointed to Medusae instead of lame hydra reskin...so...
I love the look of Lokhir but I can't see it being anyone but The Malus.
I bet u feel dumb now(?
tbf this was way before the VCoast announcement - so it would make sense to add Lokhir with a nautical themed dlc.
Be pretty cool if he just started with a Black Ark (the tower of blessed dread obviously) make it special and capturable like a territory and everything! (Dang now you said that too...) Probably off the coast of Sartossa and the pirate coast would be nice (which you said) place to start
I'm not sure if they will add a Sea lord into the game since there's no sea battles nor amphibious assaults to experience. Will be a corsair by name and not by setting. Playing him will be a constant reminder of what you can't do in the game. If it happens no complaints. I would like to see Kouran or Rakarth or or... Urian Poisonblade if it came down to the incoming new content.
Agreed 100% dude. I love Lokhir but adding him now without navy combat is just squandered opportunity.
Do you think it’s likely that they will add naval battles with the lord pack?
Patrick Cox Probably not man. Not to sound intentionally negative, its just Warhammer navy combat is a whole 'nother game in itself basically. To fully realize black arks and dragonships and ironclads CA would have to do some serious work.
Jep! And that's also why we will never see the Vampire Coast as a playable faction. Imagine Vampire Pirates without ships...
They should add "ship maps" on which you can fight a normal infantery fight. Would be small maps.... but still better than auto resolve
I’d love to see Lokhir, I like his lore and I have his OG model. It’s just... there’s no naval combat. Really takes the ‘wind out of my sails’ when it comes to Lokhir. I get no enjoyment out of autoresolving naval battles..
This was my thought as well.
Granted, I'm also really hoping for Malus. Sadly, the books will never be finished now.
When I saw the picture of Lokhir Fellheart it reminds me on Victarion Greyjoy from the a Song of Ice and Fire bookseries. I appreciate this Design!
Makes a lot of sense now but Im so excited.... this is the first time were completely clueless about which race were getting... but youre coastal race argument is very sensible.
VAMPIRE COAST! we just live on the coast! we're vampires!!
hahahahaha the siren song of all vampires!
I really like the idea that he starts off without a settlement but with a beefed up Black Ark. One of his campaign bonuses is that as long as he has a Black Ark if he loses all his settlements he won't suffer attrition and that Black Arc costs no or much less upkeep. Also oerhaps one of your victory conditions is to take Karond Kar. Good video dude.
I'm 99% sure the next lord will be Malus Darkblade. For one he's on a whole different level in terms of popularity. It also wouldn't be the first time they turn a Hero from tabletop into an army leader, we have a few of them already. And lastly, he would make zero sense in-game considering how minimal the naval aspect of the game is, especially on the ME map. Don't get me wrong, your ideas are pretty cool, i just don't see them happening.
i wouldn't take popularity as a measurement of likelihood for a lord to come into the game my dude! :D *COUGH* TRETCH CRAVENTAIL, HELMAN GHORST *COUGH* . The biggest problem with Malus is that he wouldn't offer anything game breakingly different. maybe his mechanic would be NOt the vortex campaign, but the daemon artifacts like in the book (similar to TK's objective with the book of nagash). MAYBE his mechanic is about undermining the dark elf court to increase his notoriety.. i just think that Malus - while HANDS DOWN my favorite lord in the DE roster just doesn't offer anything overly unique from a gameplay mechanic, but i am more than open to how you could think otherwise :D
I don't think we can say Malus would be game breakingly different or not, by the same logic i can say Lokhir will be just a normal dreadlord but with buffs to corsairs, all depends of how CA implements them.
I would actually prefer Lokir as he seems to be the lord who can bring war against other races than DE very early (cause the actual ones force you in a bring long civil war to unify DE lands).
Also in my opinion the game developpers and designer would be able to do something wwwaaayyy more fun for Malus Darkblade in game 3 mainly because as we expect demons to come in wh3 they would give a possibility to had mechanics (battle mechanic mainly) to Malus involving the demon in his blade Tz’arkan.
Something like when Malus died or when he flee with a minimum of X% HP he died and Tz’arkan is summoned (so a powerful demon with the classic deregen trait of all summons) this sound way more unique for a dreadlord very close to generic ones and could lead to funny scenario in MP where your enemy doesn't want to snipe your lord while want him to die at the mid/late game to unleash Tz’arkan as a "game ender".
It will probably be Malus, simply because he has a huge cult following, and more paperbacks with him as the anti-hero then any other Warhammer character. He DOES journey around a lot though, so Im guessing he probably wont start in Nagaroth, but maybe in the jungles or far north instead. Lokhir doesn't even have a third of Malus's popularity with TT players and book readers. Don't get me wrong, he is very cool and I like him, but fans mean $$, and Lokhir is more about the pirate raiding thing....Without naval battles, I doubt they would use him instead of malus.
hard to say man... who expected tretch craventail? the lord with zero cult following and not even a lord hahaha..
i don't think they look at what would bring in the most money for FLC lords (they look at that for their DLC stuff, duh! :D) they look at stuff that are "nice to haves" or hey we're already in this field, lets add something else.. like how Alith Anar is the FLC lord since they were already working on mechanics that pertain to the area in between the new new DLC factions.. hence why i'm saying lokhir would make a lot of sense
Yeah you got a great point with tretch. I was wrong on that guess as well, but then Im wrong ALOT. I keep guessing hoping I am going to guess it right one day LOL. I was SURE we would get Thanquil. But Indie was right, it wouldn't be Thanquil for a FLC....
There is ONE lord I am really hoping we get sometime in game three. He was popular in my day (when I started playing in the 80s-early 90s) and had a FANTASTIC model, he had amazing lore, and his sayings are still popular today.
"Blood for the blood God, Skulls for the Skull throne!"
"Kill maim burn, Kill maim burn, Kill maim burn....."
Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, so neither should I" (This one was later reused by Kharne the Betrayer in 40K, but this character said it first")
There are a couple others as well (hate these tip of the thoughts but cant remember moments haha). The PROBLEM was, his rules were so screwy and unpredictable, he wasn't any fun to use because a regular chaos lord was cheaper, and more dependable (The random number of attacks per turn is what messed him up mostly. And if he lost a leadership test, he instantly spawned).
That would be Arbaal, the undefeated. Here is a pic of him....
antonback.squarespace.com/arbaal-the-undefeated/
Now because he was so screwy and unbalanced with the rules and people just used his model but not him LOL, he became an "optional" choice only with players approval (which of course they would say yes, the guy was as much a detriment as he was useful haha!) and THAT is what worries me...
You see, he may have been crap on the table top, but he was BORN for total war. A Khorne berserker/Duelist wielding Khorne's Axe (killing blow) an riding Khornes favorite hound (Deamon mount), this guy would finally find a home in Warhammer where he fit in, could be balanced, and would no longer suck.
But alas, most nowadays don't remember him, and those that do are stigmatized by the crappy rules he came with. I am REALLY hoping someone does a video covering how some characters would work better in TWW then on the table, and vice versa (hint, nudge...I thought about asking indiepride, but I like your style and voice over slightly better, though not taking away from indies excellent videos, its just a preference thing)….
There are also OTHER characters that were amazing on the table and suck in TWW just as some that were lame on the table are perfect in TWW (Fimirs for instance, are better on TWW, while Helman Ghorst was better on TT) , so such a video would have at least one person featured from each current and future faction.
Such a feature might get a lot of recognition, and perhaps get people asking for Arbaal as well, pulling him back from obscurity, and then all will be right with the world XD
Please consider it, if your looking for content ideas. Arbaal is the most bad ass of Khorne characters, but was ruined by stupid rule writers. YOU brother, could make him find glory again! ;)
Either way, keep up the fantastic content!
I would love to see Lokhir have a unique garrisonable Black ark so to give him a true mobile style of play. This black ark will really allow him to have a play style of a pirate and serve as a moving capital. He can disembark his black ark to conquer inland but have some sort of garrison on his black ark while he is gone so the black ark isn’t totally defenseless. This would bring some risk reward to his style too but these are just thoughts.
I'm still really hoping for vampire coast and Luther huss for the campaign pack even though I doubt that will be it. Still surprised no one has kept up a good mod for vampire coast
I love the idea of Lokir Fellheart starting as a hoard-like faction somewhere out in the world with a special black ark and a partial stack. My money is definitely on him over Malus Darkblade. Malus strikes me as a more Chaos oriented lord. I suspect we'll get him, but not until game 3.
Great video as always!
It makes sense for it to be Lokhir. As per all the other playable races currently in Vortex Campaign, they have LLs all over the map instead of clustered on one continent. Except the Dark Elves. If it were Malus Darkblade instead of Lokhir, would they put him in Hag Graef? Where lore wise could he be placed and not give him command of Hag Graef?
I think making him a horde army would be cool. I personally hate horde armies, but having horde variants of otherwise settled armies is good for playstyle variety.
I really don't see how it could be anyone but malus. He is such a popular character and a much more unique one for that matter. Lokhir also has a heavy emphasis on naval combat, which doesn't exist in TWW.
He might come at game 3 and starts at the Dragon Isles under the ogre kingdoms. It would be cool!
definitely since he was all up and down that coast!
Damn, the fact there are no naval battles really bums me out because I would LOVE to play Lokhir, he's like my ideal leader in terms of fun to to play as. I would love to create a giant fuck-off fleet and raid whoever I wanted without being tied down to a specific starting location or piece of land. Like you could just settle wherever you wanted and you wouldn't lose that important start compared to like abandoning Reikland and settling in Lustria as the Empire. That or Dogs of War, a mercenary focused faction fighting off giant lizards in the jungle sounds fun.
"Blade N Blow" "Bladed Vaginas" "Beat Off A Horse" These DLC's are going to be great. Where's Putting Lust Back Into Lustria dude at?
That's Morathi's job, what with her being the head of the Cult of Pleasure, after all.
He should start with a Black Ark and maybe get extra bombardments from them. He could even start *on* a Black Ark, at sea.
Could be an opportunity to revamp Black Arks, too, so that you can recruit a lord directly into them and so they're stronger in general. A regular army shouldn't be able to take out even an under strength Black Ark by itself.
I really hope it's Lokhir
Multi race pirates campaign pack. Mix of vamp Coast, Southern realms, Araby. Im calling it here
that'd be sexual.. i'd be so in
the larger the map grows the more and more time we spend on or next to the oceans. even if they don't get the production rights to put in naval battles i would love to see a whole lot more done with the seas for every race, well at least those who are known to have influence on the oceans. empire, bretonnia, dwarfs, high and dark elves, norsca especially as well as tilia and estalia jump to mind.
If they make a navel lord a focused seafaring lord, I'd really love to see a bunch of like, island maps or something so people could actually play out battles in the sea.
He could play out like a horde army, starting out on a special kind of black ark that can be built up like a horde.
Malus Darkblade would be a very interesting lord in game. Ability to unleash the daemon Tz’arkan and his lore is great. Though leaving until daemons get released might be a good call too.
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To "beg the question" literally means "to use circular logic," and it does _not_ mean, "this circumstance prompts me to ask."
He begs the question = He is using circular logic.
it absolutely does NOT mean that.. "begs the question" is used - most often in debates- to refute the rhetorical or present a circumstance that is not presented and thusly defeat it by your own argument.. it's a logical fallacy. be gone
ItalianSpartacus
"Begging the question is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. It is a type of circular reasoning and an informal fallacy: an argument that requires that the desired conclusion be true. "
Yes, it _is_ a logical fallacy, and it has nothing to do with how you used it in your video, which I will now clarify and emphasize, is the point of my comment. The quote you showed me is actually a more generalized, universal form of what circular reasoning is; circular reasoning belongs under the umbrella of what you said. This means "begging the question" can *both* , circular reasoning, and what you quoted.
Regardless, the way you used it in the video is wrong.
Be gone yourself.
You are like... insisting that a square is a square, when I said it's a rectangle, when a square _is_ a rectangle... and none of this has anything to do with how you're using the quadrilateral improperly.
well that begs the question then and i dismiss it all the way around ;)
Hahaha, sounds like a plan!
The only way to make him work is if CA completely Overhauls the Black Arks mechanics for the Dark Elves and actually allow them to work as Settlements.
This guy could be turned into a Horde. Starting on a Black Ark, wish huge bonuses to Black Ark growth and allowing him to Recruit Black Arks at a faster rate. Giving you the option to expand everywhere you want.
That could bring some hot action into the game, I mean... more than it already does :P
I would still love some more story though in the vortex... to spicen the races.
While I've never been a big fan of the Dark Elves, I always thought Fellheart was the coolest looking pf their characters.
Sad we'll probably never have Amazons ;_; Giant Woman riding on panthers stabbing Norscans and Ratbois all day sounds fun
My preference start is in a Black Ark , and maybe limited to capturing coastal settlements and capitals.
This would be amazing. More dark elf stuff the better!
I think it's going to be dogs of war.
It would make sense and they could do some interesting mechanics with it.
Not to mention that people have been modding them in since the first game.
Also it's the only one with an official army
vampire coast DID have a WD army! same thing with Araby having at least a warmaster army.. which i believe amazons did as well?
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Yes but how official is the warmaster stuff, I never knew.
Also is it included in CA's license.
And Arbay, if they make that, CA are definitely going to be called racist for how steroyipical it is.
The pirates settlement on the world map is already a 8 slot settlement, and ha as trophy about capturing it.
Also people have been modding it in since the first game
Lokhir Fellheart could be a fun addition to the game if they improved black arks i don´t know how hard would it be to implement but my idea for the black arks is making lords recruitable in there and the units you can recruit in the arks would then be able to move inside the range the arks have for those arty strikes but only in that range not further inland it would make black arks more fun to use and it would fit with the raiding theme but as i said i have no idea of how hard this would be to implement.
yeah i think that was my closing note.. you NEED to improve black arks before the dark elves can really be seen as a viable marauding race ya know?
I'm divided between Lokhir and Malus. On the other hand Lokhir would have buffs for Black Ark Corsairs and would probably start off on a Black Ark instead. Also face it, Amazons, if they appear, they'll be Lizardmen units.
I wouldn't be suprised if he gets Black Ark as starting "position" or some sorts of enhancements to them like cost reduction i upgreading them or new abilities to them, plus some bonuses to black corsairs like better meele or cost recruitment, etc
Dark Malus i would love him to come in the flc but lokhir would love to see comming out in warhammer 3 if the map goes far east like cathay and nippon and he starts from south side of nippon with his black ark bec in lore said he raided cathay. If i remember right it would be cool
You were right
Agree with almost all of this except the regeneration... if you want him to be competitive don't need to give weird abilities just make cheaper... neat idea to have him as a roving lord (rather than fixed starting location, but both could work). i agree this lord would give a very different flavor and justifies inclusion.
i would honestly love him to start neer kroq gar and queek. sins there campains are mostly just lizards and rats and some high elfs. putting some more lord up there could make the south lands a bit more of a clusterfuck that i enjoy in totalwar a lot.
I hope they drop Araby and truly fresh out the south lands to save space for lizardmen and skaven lord pack in Lustria. Then, drop either dogs of war, vampire coast, or amazons later in the dev cycle as a smaller pack with a really developed roster similar to how they treated norsca
New legendary lord gor-rok
if i don't get gor-rok i'll fucking throw up on myself
The helm of the Kraken is actually in game for the dark elves already.
We need a lizardmen flc
couldn't agree more!
We need to put a lord in the black ark and a way to influence battle on the sea. I don't think we will have Naval battle, but I want a option to do the battle on the boat because man.... having my black ark destroyed by rafting beastmen it's very sad. Nice Lord indeed, I like the Kraken mask.
Considering CA's undying love for the undead, I see the Vampire Coast being the next faction added. Not enough Vampire lords in Total War...
Either way I'd love to see Lokhir in the game. Make sense considering you can put him anywhere, he had an actual model, rules, and items, and he works well as a total war general that can boost piracy, raiding, and Black Ark Corsairs. Make his army immune or resistant to attrition at sea to encourage sailing to the old world and raiding.
Hrm
So maybe next DLC will be whole pirate flavoured: Vampire Coast, Sartosa etc... And Lokhir Fellheart as fitting FLC ;)
I'm a little worried about not having a mount option. I think being forces to only foot or only chariot options like grimgore or khazzrak it makes them almost completely unviable :( even if it isn't completely lore friendly I don't see it being out of the realm of possibility to give him a horse and or manticore. That or they really need to figure out lord mass and on foot lords being competative
couldn't agree more man.. that's why i'd want his daring leap ability to be a teleport, get him out of combat that's swarming him via mass
I personally hope the new lord pack Is four lords, but so few factions could field that meany... that we get 4 new lords that break down in a 2 vs 2 style. Maybe Amazons + Albion Vs Saragossa and New world colonies (to be renamed)
It could be 2 factions with similar backbone structures but different advanced Units, we already know that they are willing to give sub factions special units between the Shadow-Walkers, and giving trees to Alarielle and Vampire units to Arkhan.
Part of why I would want this is because of the Dark elf problem that is Naggarond ... every campaign no matter what direction you go with any lord your facing down other Dark elves. i gets old real fast. this would let you spread the four new guys into the four corners of the map. Like what they did with the Tomb kings, I really hope that the new Dark elf lord starts as far away from that entire continent as physically possible.
Yeah I dunno they need to give the LM some love before blowing the DEs yet again.
Perhaps the next DLC is "Pirates" which would make Lokhir a perfect FLC lord.
Add in fightable naval battles by just adding a "island" map( or several variations) and a black ark map and have your forces duke it out surrounded by the sea!
Like this map: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1288603246&searchtext=sea
Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok! Gor-Rok!
We need some Horde-type lords (like Chaos in the Vortex Campaign).
I think if they do Araby they need to do Tilea/Estalia as sort of a competing faction for them.
imagine a DUAL campaign pack where you get both .. that'd be so awesome
That would be awesome....I bet it'd be expensive too.
I doubt they will do Arbay, since there is no official army book.
And from what we do know about them, if CA made it they will probably be called racist
There is an army though in one of GW's other games, from what I've heard. They could also call it representation, I mean CA has already done Arabic factions in its other games.
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Yeah but how official is that game.
And is it included in CA's license.
No they will be called racist due to how steroyipical arbay is.
It's literally just what people believed about the Arabs, ×10.
Flying carpets, ect.
Id love to see a dark elf faction with a horde mechanic based around the dark arks.
Would be cool if he started on a big special blackark and worked like a horde race
I watch this channel exclusively for the Princess Bride references.
if i'm wrong... and i'm never wrong!
Would Tilea/Estalia be enough to carry a campaign pack on their own? If they're going really ambitious for the next campaign pack I could see it being 'The Salty Dogs' with Tilea/Estalia, Sartosan Pirates and the Vampire coast all with a fairly pirate theme, alongside Lokhir Fellheart as FLC.
I'm honestly not very excited for another human faction but the list of possibles is pretty short. Fellheart could be interesting as a hoard style army with a black ark overhaul
It was just confirmed Lokhir will be the FLC Lord forCurse of the Vampire Coast.
I would still prefer Malus Darkblade, and you could put him with the Scourge of Khaine faction rather than in Naggaroth, but thats just me, I still like Lokhir, however I do agree with the Legendary Hero idea, there are a lot of cool characters that probably won't become LL, not just because they aren't a Lord in table top, but also because it would just clutter the map and some would be rather.....redundant, but adding them as LH would be a way to add in some of the cooler characters such as Chakax, Tellaris, Kouran ect
oh i definitely prefer Malus, don't get me wrong, i just want to open up the possibility of lokhir and what his campaign mechanics might be like! :D
You did make some great points, and it would be great to see him, my only porblem with him is, without proper naval battles, he will never be as awesome as he could be, such a sea heavy lord deserves the sea battles he is worthy of, still a great choice regardless but imagine seeing him on the sea, same with the Sea Lord Aslin, imagine the abillites he could have for a sea battle, summoning sea monsters and stuff.
Also lets hope Legendary hero become a thing
god that last note.. so hard that last note
Maybe if we pray it will happen.....or sacrifice a bunch of people to the Choas Gods, I want to see Malekith run into battle with Kouran beside him and a legion of black guard behind him, same with hellebron and Tellaris with executioners, Mazzy with Chakax, Franz with either the head of the rieksguard or the Emperors champion......oh so much, also thanks for the replies, its always a good feeling when you get a reply, keep up the amazing work my dude, and Glory to Khorne!
Make him a sea based horde type thingy, based out of his starting place ... a mix of chaos horde and wood elves?
I would like to see Darkblade become a Unique Hero not lord. Think that would be very cool.
I still don't think most people realize what an Araby could be at this point if we get it. If we ever get a sea combat DLC Araby may be the catalyst for that. Basically they should be a faction like a non chaos version of Norsca. A costal city focused faction that trades with everyone and gives everyone a neutral faction to trade or do diplomacy with in the South. They could really become a linchpin of the vortex campaign.
Vampire should be the last faction they add. We already have Vampire Counts. Lots of other races for CA to explore before the add Vampire Coasts.
I feel like releasing Lokhir Fellheart would be like a slap to the face seeing how there is no actual naval combat at all. Malus Darkblade on the other hand, would be perfect.
It'll be Malus just due to the following he has. Same reason Thanquol will be for Skaven.
So Lokhir should have that 'Fightyness' mechanic the Orcs and Beastmen have
I'm really hoping that the next faction is Araby. Their style is much more appealing to me. Besides, a sort of pirate/ mercenary faction like DoW would feel odd with the way naval battles are in the game.
Lokhir should give a bonus to black ark
bonus to raiding
maybe bonus to defence and attack for all units in naval battle
bonus to corsairs and Karibyss
Lokhir Fellheart is a pretty cool guy, I read his lore. The thing is They got to put in Malus Darkblade or the fans will riot.
What if its not an LL at all, and instead we get two LH's (Legendary heroes) in Kouran and Tullaris for Malekith and Hellebron respectively? :)
Kelefane If they add Tullaris he has to be a lord though. The chosen of Khaine must be able to wield the Widowmaker
Yeah but sometimes you have to get in where you fit in. I don't think the DE will have more then 4-5 LL's in the end and the last two they get will be Lokhir and/or Malus. They certainly wouldn't add Tullaris over either of them.
True, also don't think they can add Tullaris anywhere except Har Ganeth and it doesn't look like the game 2 races will have more than 1 LL each faction. And considering Tullaris can be modded in via Mixu's lord pack I'd much rather see Lokhir and Malus.
The rout mechanic should work on multiplayer too.
would be the perfect chance to include naval battles...
I guess, but naval battles never really workd for me in Empire and Shogun II. Too boring IMO.
And the auto-res would savagely punish you for not fighting the Xth battle in that round...
Maybe they can have ground battles on coasts and rivers instead? That can make the battlefields more interesting. I'd still prefer navel battles, but it seems very unlikely
i'm with AJ on this.. i LOVED the prospect of naval battles, but they were a level of complexity that i just never wanted to dive into.. i loved "cutting the wind" in Empire, but outside of small engagements, it just became a crap shoot
Naval will never happen for this game. Simple as that. Various reasona. But like Spartacus says, naval combat was never real fun, and if you have wind and weather on top, it was abysmal in Empire.
i just hate it when my army gets jumped by an enemy Ship and i HAVE TO press on the auto resolve button and cant do anything. if not naval battles there must be some sort of alternative... hope my english is understandable hehe
If Malus is not the Lord then it's pretty clear that Black Library isn't included in CA's license.
that's not true at all!! Malus is in the Dark Elf Army Book, for MULTIPLE editions.. BL just made him bigger with their series ;)
Yeah but he came from a series of comics that then were adapted to the novels. He is a Black Library character that, like Thanquol, were added to the army books. Now I don't for certain, 100%, _know_ whether or not Black Library is covered in the agreement between GW, SEGA, and CA, but Thanquol's continued absence has made me suspicious. CA knows Thanquol is *the* Skaven character and pretty much should've been #1 in their LL pool yet he's not in, and considering most of the iconic missing units from the Skaven roster are Skryre-themed, Ikit Claw is pretty much the obvious choice. Then there's the matter of the ascended extra that is Tretch.
So if Lokhir makes it in in a game with horrible naval gameplay, then I'm convinced CA does not have the right to use Black Library characters for whatever reason, be they rights issues, royalties to the authors, whatever legalese BS there could be in the way.
Yeah knowing CA they will pull out some random literaly who from old ass rule books , where whole lore was filled in 1 sentence.
Dark Elves getting all the love. Rest in peace other factions.
If they bring navy battles back, I'm 100% for Fellheart. But until then, Malus is who I'm hoping for.
I would like to see Lokhir Felheart in the game, but not at the expense of never seeing Malus Darkblade put in the game. When we get to the FLC for the Lizardmen I would like it to be Gor-Rok.
If they wait on Malus. He better come in game 3 and he better transform into a demon when he is pissed.
DUDE HOLY SHIT!!! SUPER SAIYAN MALUS THAT WOULD ROCK 10,000 BONERS
Maybe they'll do a pirate-themed DLC and add Vampire Coast, Lokhir, and Sartosa with one of them being free.
To me it is pretty clear it is malus darkblade
The city to me, looks like it could very well be Hag Graef because of the mountains in the background
He doesnt have to start at hag graef, malus wandered all over the world for the artifacts and could easily start near or in the chaos wastes
Both the objects and T'Zarkan can be very interesting for both campaign and MP.
For example, he needs to gather the objects within a certain amount of turns and using Tzarkan as an ability reduces malus's battle prowess BUT increases the power of the ability if you use it a couple of times as well as spreading chaos corruption and diplomatic penalties
And with a lack of naval combat, i think Lokir Fellheart will never really come to his own as a true Corsair, sure raiding and sacking bonusses are great, but it's a lackluster mechanic for his character
As far as the campaign pack, there have been several hints to Chaos Dwarves...which would be pretty fucking amazing
Len VDL Chaos Dwarves aren't on the Map. Like you've gotta a huge chunk of land to add to make them playable. Lokhir brings more to the table than Malus does as far new mechanics that stay true to the base faction goal of the Vortex.
@@lastdefenderofxhotl to me he doesnt have to be true to the vortex because his items can be used to unleash Tzarkan
And there have been subtle hints for months and we know how CA loves to do that
CA posted that the new content team was working quietly in the darkest corners of the studio and nobody dares to disturb them
A while later they said the new content team was making progress and that the new content was going to be "pure chaos"
Dark corner+working+do not disturb+chaos=Chaos Dwarves
Len VDL They can make hints and tips all the want because half the time they're a fake out. Don't buy into them is all I'm saying. Seriously tho on a logical level you should not have any expectation for Chaos Dwarfs Whatsoever. Doing so Shafts the DLC schedule of Warhammer 3 and requires not only work for the faction but a massive amount of work for the campaign map this isn't we stretched out Athel Loren for the Wood Elves release no this is we're adding basically all the Empire provinces at least in space on to the map. Malus can have unleashing Tzarkan mechanics but they won't override the vortex just as Hellebron's death night did not. Not saying Malus is impossible I'm merely saying that Lokhir is easier to make interesting more of a core faction settings and preferences changes which is easier and honestly more interesting gameplay wise than creating a viable Malus narrative in Total War.
@@lastdefenderofxhotl i personally hope that it will be the southern realms/DoW. They would add a lot of flavor to the map
As far as lokir...i agree that he is very interesting...but malus is a top 5 most popular character in Warhammer fantasy....leaving him out would be a shame
Len VDL Popularity means very little to CA. Exhibit A Tretch, Exhibit B Ghorst. It's all about mechanics and gameplay, why most factions have a beatstick and a Mage to start. That way when they add new characters it's always about adding depth to the roster and creating a fresh campaign. Malus adds nothing besides we'd have a true solid Beatstick lord to MP and we're really going to have to work hard to make an interesting campaign. Whereas Lokhir we get a Beatstick as well on top of a easy to implement yet very rewarding new campaign. It's all about logistics in the end.
It's about time the beast men got a new lord and a hero
Amazons are the lowest on the likelihood list. They are at the top of my wishlist. But they don't have a capital on the ME map. There is an island off the coast of Norsca the could be Albion. They just recently added Saratosa onto the map. So it's sad but I think Amazons are the only faction that we can consider off the table.
couldn't agree more.. definitely think it's the fan favorite, but really low on the pecking order
That is the real tragedy for me. We could get Chaos Dwarfs, Vampire Coast, Araby, DOW, and Albion. But not Amazons. That's almost wish fulfillment, with every faction in Warhammer represented, but we stopped short because of reasons. Like, it would be such the greater let down, because it would be apparent that CA just didn't feel like Amazons were worth it.
Estalia and Tilea would be great and maybe then araby but vampire coast would not bring anything really new i'm afraid
I do have to ask why you're doing lokhir when the scourge of khaine subfaction has been around since w2s release. Malus DARKBLADE is the scourge of khaine.
I got captions on, and it said dark elves got “hella broccoli” thanks to that last update...
I'll be happy with Lokir but happier with Malus.
But seriously - Wood elves and lizardmen need a new LL - Wood elves really need love oin my opinion more than Lizardmen
@ItalianSpartacus if they introduce the Lord you're proposing here is there anything they could add for a DE hero option? I personally would really like to see an armored DE melee hero. I thought in the table top there was something like a black ark fleet master? Just wondering what you think.
yeah there's a black ark fleetmaster :D maybe he can be placedi n your black arks and give them substantial bonuses?
@@italianspartacus that would be really cool since the arks don't get a lord. I'd just really like to see DE get an armored melee lord like the HE have nobles. When I run with a supreme sorceress I don't feel like assassin's or death hags really cut it. This lord with black ark fleet master heroes would be a really cool combo and it would even out LL and hero options for both HE and DE. Fingers crossed!
@@italianspartacus quick question, does Araby have much of a Navy or are they known at all for sea faring?
I cannot see Vamp coast as the DLC. everyone who has the game 1 would be pretty annoyed that they have tpo pay for a reskin of a race they already own same with DoW (who won't be able to field some of their units like ogres because they are not in the game yet). I truly hope the DLC is either Araby or Amazons but CA could hit us from left field and give us one of the Demon Factions which would be great. Janet on Occasion argued quite nice for that a while ago