Man this is the first channel i have seen that is trying to completely cover the history of roman conquest chronollogically, its like watching a series. I am looking forward to see how the later major events will be represented, like sulla's civil wars, Ceasar's civil war, Aurelian's restoration, justinian's reconquest, basil the second ...
Ah yes, this part of history is always skipped.. always goes, the Romans won the 1st war, the Carthaginians couldn't pay the mercs, then Rome took the other 2 islands
I work long 10 hour shifts as a welder 5 times a week and i work hard and long so when i come home to see upload even though i had msny things to do i still could not stop myself from watching your video they bring me joy and peace i love you (english is mot my first language)
14:35 feigned retreats were by no means simple or easy to pull off. Only a highly disciplined and advanced military prowess would be able to pull something like that off. Even today it would be extraordinarily difficult to pull off, back then it was even more challenging. It shouldn’t be understated how difficult it would have been. Love your videos tho.
People don't realize just how bad the first war was to both sides. Inflation was a problem for the rest of the century across the Roman and Carthaginian realms, and they both needed those silver mines in Spain. They basically fought a war that was so costly to both sides that neither was ever gonna back down, because then all that loss was for nothing. Only the Romans of the 3rd century can match the scale and volume of hardship overcome.
Learnt a lot of new things from this video. Carthage must’ve not been the most popular with its subjects considering the amount of support the rebels managed to stir up.
It's in stark contrast to how the Italian cities remained largely faithful in the Second Punic War. Despite Hannibal stomping Legions left and right, he was confounded the other cities never rose up and joined him. Of course, Rome ruined this eventually and they'd have the Social War to pay for it.
En apenas 50 años, Roma sufrió 5 guerras civiles y la Guerra espartaquista (no todos eran esclavos extranjeros) además de varias guerras exteriores no siempre victoriosos. No es de extrañar la rápida pérdida de espíritu militar en Italia. Agotamiento social y muerte de los mejores elementos.
Excellent video just like the rest of them; the attention to details and events happening around Rome really nourishes the understanding of politics and campaigns during the Roman era. Eager to see your next video!!!
I swear yall are the best. I can only compare it to being like if Oversimplified actually uploaded frequently. Arguably one of the best history UA-cam channels and the best for this time period. Keep up the work ❤!
There is a reason Carthage was so obsessed with Sardina and why retaking it was seen as a bigger goal than humbling Rome. One reason they never sent Hannibal any backup in the second Punic war was that they didn't agree with his war goals. Sure making an alliance of anti-Roman southern Italiens and Greeks might be nice. But they just wanted Sardinia back. In their minds, Hannibal getting victories was just giving them a bargaining chip to retake Sardinia. And to be honest, that wasn't a bad idea. Trying to resupply Hannibal with no control over Sicily or Sardinia would be difficult. But if they retook Sardinia, then giving Hannibal a bigger army isn't needed, they could just use his presence in Italy to get Rome to say "OK, you can have your island back and here's some money now go away." Plus a Carthaginian presence in Sardinia could threaten Roman grain supply, even if they wouldn't actually risk their fleet in a battle against the Romans. The problem was that at the Battle of Decimomannu, Hasdrubal the Bald got his butt kicked. Now that the Carthaginians didn't have what they really wanted, they would need to take land from the Romans to trade for it, but now resupplying Hannibal was dangerous. Also the Carthaginians thought Rome cheated them out of the islands because they already signed peace after the first Punic war, but Rome basically stole them in the mercenary war.
It is also generally not a good idea to base your entire military on foreign mercenaries. Foreign mercs do not care if your country burns or not, they only care if they get paid. They can always go home if things go bad.
Great video. I had always wondered why the Carthaginians would just not pay their mercenaries, as this fact was mentioned but not explored in other videos on the Punic wars I've seen. This video pretty much explains it. Gotta say I can't blame the mercenaries for trying to extort the Carthaginians after not being paid for so long, but they really should have relented when the Carthaginians refused.
Only playing Rome II Total war did i actually recently realize the sheer effect, at least psychologically, if not physically, that just a coiple dozen elephants can have on thousands. It is truly astonshimg that an army that is hard to truly imagine how big it is would be so terrified by massive animals that most people will probably never see.
Every time I watch your videos, I'm tempted to go play Imperator Rome. Anyway, another great video! I also like how everyone most of the time has a pretty normal look, but the horses are always angry, lol.
Would be awesome to have a series covering the diadochi and hellenistic era! obviously we will get pieces of that coming up but having a different series would be nice, love the content!
26:30, not to be entierly unfaire with Hamilcar, when he showed linience the rebels answered with massacres. So he just though that if he let them go they would reorganised and kill more of his people.
I'm sure there is missing information or things about the situation I don't understand, but it seems incredibly reckless to bring back combat-hardened mercenary troops to your homeland AND your capital that you intended to stiff on the bill.
The worst part about the surrender is that Hamilcar feared that 2,200 talents of silver (which were equal to 40 million US Dollars in 2022) would cripple Carthage. And once the Romans altered the terms at the last second, Carthage was infuriated. But Rome really crossed the line by taking advantage of the Mercenary War, taking Sardinia and Corsica, even making Carthage pay even more money. Whatever Rome had hoped to achieve by doing all of this, they only succeeded in enraging Carthage!
Actually🤓, 1 silver talent is 40 million USD more or less, Rome first asked 2200 talents, then switched the terms and asked 3200 talents, after taking Corsica and Sardinia they increased it to 4400 silver talents, so in total Carthage owed Rome more or less 176 billion dollars in today’s money
Polybius covers all major events in the Mediterranean between the years 264 BCE and 146 BCE. He doesn't focus only on Rome, but on Greece and Carthage as well. But, considering that period coincided with a great expansion of Rome it mainly focuses on Roman wars. Sadly most of his work is lost so we have to use the works of later authors.
No me explico como Roma tenia tantas ganas de extorsionar a Cartago, cuando sus propias reservas humanas debian de estar al limite. Los bosques de Italia estarian talados a estas alturas para reconstruir una flota tras otra. Pienso en la Gran Flota aniquilada por una tempestad al sur de Sicilia con 300 naves y casi 100.000 hombres. Solo la destruccion de la segunda armada de Kublai Khan en Japon se puede comparar.
No, Hamilcar did NOT negotiate the treaty with Rome ending the First Punic War. He was livid when he learned of the terms of the treaty ending the war. History later showed that Rome was on the verge of economic collapse from the war’s cost. It was a foolish treaty made by self-serving politicians in the Carthaginian Senate.
i think u should change the background music as it is boring and monotonous u should use something that keeps the spectator more engaged like a playlist of classical music
Although the Romans did take Corsica during the expedition in 237, it wasn't a part of this treaty. The details on Corsica are somewhat lacking as most authors don't even mention it.
Wouldn't it be cheaper and better to have a locally recruited citizen army, train them and improve them, and not use mercenary? I think the only case for mercenary is when you really have no one now and a war suddenly came up, so you have no time to train and need to use mercenary.
Umm, no the Carthaginians were not harassing “Romans occupying Sicily.” The 306 bc treaty between Rome & Carthage specified that the Carthaginian navy would come to assist Rome should Macedon or Epirus invade the Italian peninsula. Furthermore, Rome would not attempt to colonize North Africa and Carthage would not establish colonies in Italy (exception was made for the single Carthaginian outpost north of Rome along the Italian coast. Furthermore, and most importantly, the agreement specified that if Carthage was able to drive the Greeks off the Island of Sicily (where both Carthaginians and Greeks had settlements, outposts, and allied tribes & cities - and Romans had none), Carthage would retain exclusive rights over the island for the following 25 years. When King Pyrrhus did invade Italy to support existing Greek colonies on the eastern and southern coasts of the Italian peninsula, Carthage honored its commitment, sent its vast fleet, and blockaded/quarantined the coasts of the peninsula. It thus prevented King Pyrrhus from resupplying, reinforcing, rearming his army. Thus, the concept of the Pyrrhic victory was born. King Pyrrhus could not afford costly victories because the Carthaginian naval blockade prevented him from resupplying and reinforcing his army. Later, when Pyrrhus decamped from Italy and landed his army in Sicily, after a protracted, see-saw war with Carthage, he departed from Sicily back to Greece. Only Rome would not honor the agreement it made with Carthage. It would not wait 25 years and enable Carthage to recoup its expenses from its war with Pyrrhus in Sicily, nor the costs of deploying its navy to support Rome. Only a decade or so later, it invaded Sicily in violation of its treaty with Carthage. Rome thus set the template for every other agreement, treaty, promise it ever made with anyone.
Umm, no the Carthaginians were not harassing “Romans occupying Sicily.” The 306 bc treaty between Rome & Carthage specified that the Carthaginian navy would come to assist Rome should Macedon or Epirus invade the Italian peninsula. Furthermore, Rome would not attempt to colonize North Africa and Carthage would not establish colonies in Italy (exception was made for the single Carthaginian outpost north of Rome along the Italian coast. Furthermore, and most importantly, the agreement specified that if Carthage was able to drive the Greeks off the Island of Sicily (where both Carthaginians and Greeks had settlements, outposts, and allied tribes & cities - and Romans had none), Carthage would retain exclusive rights over the island for the following 25 years. When King Pyrrhus did invade Italy to support existing Greek colonies on the eastern and southern coasts of the Italian peninsula, Carthage honored its commitment, sent its vast fleet, and blockaded/quarantined the coasts of the peninsula. It thus prevented King Pyrrhus from resupplying, reinforcing, rearming his army. Thus, the concept of the Pyrrhic victory was born. King Pyrrhus could not afford costly victories because the Carthaginian naval blockade prevented him from resupplying and reinforcing his army. Later, when Pyrrhus decamped from Italy and landed his army in Sicily, after a protracted, see-saw war with Carthage, he departed from Sicily back to Greece. Only Rome would not honor the agreement it made with Carthage. It would not wait 25 years and enable Carthage to recoup its expenses from its war with Pyrrhus in Sicily, nor the costs of deploying its navy to support Rome. Only a decade or so later, it invaded Sicily in violation of its treaty with Carthage. Rome thus set the template for every other agreement, treaty, promise it ever made with anyone.
What are you even talking about? He is describing the final years of the 1st Punic War, and you are talking about some treaties signed long before the war. Did you even listen to the end of the sentance?
A guy named Spendius kicking off a revolt over Carthage's inability to pay will never not be funny to me
I’d suppose it would dissolve to sbendias
Man this is the first channel i have seen that is trying to completely cover the history of roman conquest chronollogically, its like watching a series.
I am looking forward to see how the later major events will be represented, like sulla's civil wars, Ceasar's civil war, Aurelian's restoration, justinian's reconquest, basil the second ...
Sir, have you ever heard of Dovahhatty?
@@NessieAndrew he is in no way nearly as detailed as the videos of this channel.
Ah yes, this part of history is always skipped.. always goes, the Romans won the 1st war, the Carthaginians couldn't pay the mercs, then Rome took the other 2 islands
The consequences of oversimplified have been a disaster for the human race
@mappingshaman5280 true but I think oversimplified is good for getting people not normally into history interested... I mean it is in the name
@@JOGA_Wills personally I like oversimplified I just like the meme too
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I work long 10 hour shifts as a welder 5 times a week and i work hard and long so when i come home to see upload even though i had msny things to do i still could not stop myself from watching your video they bring me joy and peace i love you (english is mot my first language)
Thank you, its a fresh breath to see creators try to explore new topics instead of doing the 15th video on yt about the same historical event.
Thanks for this guide to the most confusing bit of Polybius
14:35 feigned retreats were by no means simple or easy to pull off. Only a highly disciplined and advanced military prowess would be able to pull something like that off. Even today it would be extraordinarily difficult to pull off, back then it was even more challenging. It shouldn’t be understated how difficult it would have been. Love your videos tho.
People don't realize just how bad the first war was to both sides. Inflation was a problem for the rest of the century across the Roman and Carthaginian realms, and they both needed those silver mines in Spain. They basically fought a war that was so costly to both sides that neither was ever gonna back down, because then all that loss was for nothing. Only the Romans of the 3rd century can match the scale and volume of hardship overcome.
Didn’t know much about the mercenary war, it’s amazing to see tactics Hannibal later used done by his father
Learnt a lot of new things from this video. Carthage must’ve not been the most popular with its subjects considering the amount of support the rebels managed to stir up.
It's in stark contrast to how the Italian cities remained largely faithful in the Second Punic War. Despite Hannibal stomping Legions left and right, he was confounded the other cities never rose up and joined him. Of course, Rome ruined this eventually and they'd have the Social War to pay for it.
En apenas 50 años, Roma sufrió 5 guerras civiles y la Guerra espartaquista (no todos eran esclavos extranjeros) además de varias guerras exteriores no siempre victoriosos. No es de extrañar la rápida pérdida de espíritu militar en Italia. Agotamiento social y muerte de los mejores elementos.
I'm glad this isn't the same punic war video ever historical channel makes
Excellent video just like the rest of them; the attention to details and events happening around Rome really nourishes the understanding of politics and campaigns during the Roman era. Eager to see your next video!!!
I swear yall are the best. I can only compare it to being like if Oversimplified actually uploaded frequently. Arguably one of the best history UA-cam channels and the best for this time period. Keep up the work ❤!
It's a sin this channel without millions of subs.
It will get there for sure, just gotta spread the word
Beautiful things dont ask for attention
New classic channel just dropped
There is a reason Carthage was so obsessed with Sardina and why retaking it was seen as a bigger goal than humbling Rome. One reason they never sent Hannibal any backup in the second Punic war was that they didn't agree with his war goals. Sure making an alliance of anti-Roman southern Italiens and Greeks might be nice. But they just wanted Sardinia back. In their minds, Hannibal getting victories was just giving them a bargaining chip to retake Sardinia. And to be honest, that wasn't a bad idea. Trying to resupply Hannibal with no control over Sicily or Sardinia would be difficult. But if they retook Sardinia, then giving Hannibal a bigger army isn't needed, they could just use his presence in Italy to get Rome to say "OK, you can have your island back and here's some money now go away." Plus a Carthaginian presence in Sardinia could threaten Roman grain supply, even if they wouldn't actually risk their fleet in a battle against the Romans. The problem was that at the Battle of Decimomannu, Hasdrubal the Bald got his butt kicked. Now that the Carthaginians didn't have what they really wanted, they would need to take land from the Romans to trade for it, but now resupplying Hannibal was dangerous. Also the Carthaginians thought Rome cheated them out of the islands because they already signed peace after the first Punic war, but Rome basically stole them in the mercenary war.
I am so glad I found this channel.
Incredible video man, this channel is so underrated
Just found this gem of a channel. Great work 👏
Glad to have caught this one close to when it was uploaded! Great stuff as always guy.
Always pay your mercenaries on time. Never try to swindle them, or else you go the way of the Fourth Crusade.
I learned that playing ck2 and watching AI get taken over by mercenaries. Always drop before you run out of money.
It is also generally not a good idea to base your entire military on foreign mercenaries. Foreign mercs do not care if your country burns or not, they only care if they get paid. They can always go home if things go bad.
I will continue commenting until this channel has a milly subs
Great video. I had always wondered why the Carthaginians would just not pay their mercenaries, as this fact was mentioned but not explored in other videos on the Punic wars I've seen. This video pretty much explains it.
Gotta say I can't blame the mercenaries for trying to extort the Carthaginians after not being paid for so long, but they really should have relented when the Carthaginians refused.
I mean he said in the end the war cost Carthage far more than they owed the mercs, so they really should have just paid up.
Only playing Rome II Total war did i actually recently realize the sheer effect, at least psychologically, if not physically, that just a coiple dozen elephants can have on thousands. It is truly astonshimg that an army that is hard to truly imagine how big it is would be so terrified by massive animals that most people will probably never see.
Ooo the Mercenary War, this one will be interesting
Every time I watch your videos, I'm tempted to go play Imperator Rome. Anyway, another great video! I also like how everyone most of the time has a pretty normal look, but the horses are always angry, lol.
Horses never wanted to be here in the first place!
P.s. here at Magistra Vitae we prefer Crusader Kings 3 to Imperator
Man, those flash game type visuals are so nice and unique
Would be awesome to have a series covering the diadochi and hellenistic era! obviously we will get pieces of that coming up but having a different series would be nice, love the content!
Perhaps you're in luck 😉
@MagistraVitae it's my favourite time period!
I am looking forward to the future of this channel
very informative 👍🏻 thank you for your good work and I am looking forward for any new videos
That duolingo easter egg
26:30, not to be entierly unfaire with Hamilcar, when he showed linience the rebels answered with massacres. So he just though that if he let them go they would reorganised and kill more of his people.
I'm sure there is missing information or things about the situation I don't understand, but it seems incredibly reckless to bring back combat-hardened mercenary troops to your homeland AND your capital that you intended to stiff on the bill.
Good video, glad I found your channel
The worst part about the surrender is that Hamilcar feared that 2,200 talents of silver (which were equal to 40 million US Dollars in 2022) would cripple Carthage. And once the Romans altered the terms at the last second, Carthage was infuriated. But Rome really crossed the line by taking advantage of the Mercenary War, taking Sardinia and Corsica, even making Carthage pay even more money.
Whatever Rome had hoped to achieve by doing all of this, they only succeeded in enraging Carthage!
Actually🤓, 1 silver talent is 40 million USD more or less, Rome first asked 2200 talents, then switched the terms and asked 3200 talents, after taking Corsica and Sardinia they increased it to 4400 silver talents, so in total Carthage owed Rome more or less 176 billion dollars in today’s money
Vitae vs oversimplified, who will get to the 2nd Punic war first?
Thanks for the Video! Really nice work!
LETS GO IM EARLY TO A VIDEO
You're actually gonna surpass Oversimplified in the Punic Wars. Go man go
Keep up the great work!🙂
I love you adorable history. That thumbnail was cute. It was a cutesafiction
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Hell yeah rome vs carthage
Does Polybius cover events like the Macedonian wars, and the wars in Illyria, or did he just write about the Punic wars?
Polybius covers all major events in the Mediterranean between the years 264 BCE and 146 BCE. He doesn't focus only on Rome, but on Greece and Carthage as well. But, considering that period coincided with a great expansion of Rome it mainly focuses on Roman wars. Sadly most of his work is lost so we have to use the works of later authors.
Thank you for answering
Man, that must have destroyed the manpower Carthage had available.
No me explico como Roma tenia tantas ganas de extorsionar a Cartago, cuando sus propias reservas humanas debian de estar al limite. Los bosques de Italia estarian talados a estas alturas para reconstruir una flota tras otra. Pienso en la Gran Flota aniquilada por una tempestad al sur de Sicilia con 300 naves y casi 100.000 hombres. Solo la destruccion de la segunda armada de Kublai Khan en Japon se puede comparar.
love this stuff, got nothin' but likes and comments to offer though
Wow!
What a story
Well rold, too.
Only 34 comments? I will feed the algorithm!
historia civilis stands in awe without being on arms
Keep posting
Thinking about the Roman Empire is swell, but I find myself thinking more about Carriage and Persia. Imagine if they had survived.
No, Hamilcar did NOT negotiate the treaty with Rome ending the First Punic War. He was livid when he learned of the terms of the treaty ending the war.
History later showed that Rome was on the verge of economic collapse from the war’s cost. It was a foolish treaty made by self-serving politicians in the Carthaginian Senate.
carthage really is cooked
i think u should change the background music as it is boring and monotonous u should use something that keeps the spectator more engaged like a playlist of classical music
Another example of a time when birth control was not required.
Wait Corsica wasn't also ceded at the end of this war?
Although the Romans did take Corsica during the expedition in 237, it wasn't a part of this treaty. The details on Corsica are somewhat lacking as most authors don't even mention it.
The carthaginians were too greedy and should’ve taken the deal. Gotta pay those expenses
Very cool content... Eagerly waiting for the next episode
A human life passed like that of a cockroach in those times.
Wouldn't it be cheaper and better to have a locally recruited citizen army, train them and improve them, and not use mercenary? I think the only case for mercenary is when you really have no one now and a war suddenly came up, so you have no time to train and need to use mercenary.
What a well trained citizens with years combat can harm can you nation
Look at Rome: Oh....
W video 🎉
Im NOT early :(
Cuando sale la otra parte?
Cuando aparece el legendario hanibal barca?
Como cartago se recupero tan rapido he inicio la segunda guerra punica?
They captured great parts of Iberia rich with silver
One new subscriber two amazing job on the animations and audio three can I ask you something four I want pins of you cute little guys
Ask away!
@@MagistraVitae can I do react to your amazing videos
Sorry, we generally don't condone react videos
Call me Jubal cuz I’m early
I hope you lie oversimplified finish his second Punic war series before you finish your second Punic war series
7:05 price of corn ?
Corn as in cereal crops (like wheat, barley and others)
@@MagistraVitae At least where I'm from corn only means maize from the new world. Did you mean grain?
Agremnet with teh Romans mean Rome does what she needs but you do what is agreed on and more.
Umm, no the Carthaginians were not harassing “Romans occupying Sicily.” The 306 bc treaty between Rome & Carthage specified that the Carthaginian navy would come to assist Rome should Macedon or Epirus invade the Italian peninsula. Furthermore, Rome would not attempt to colonize North Africa and Carthage would not establish colonies in Italy (exception was made for the single Carthaginian outpost north of Rome along the Italian coast.
Furthermore, and most importantly, the agreement specified that if Carthage was able to drive the Greeks off the Island of Sicily (where both Carthaginians and Greeks had settlements, outposts, and allied tribes & cities - and Romans had none), Carthage would retain exclusive rights over the island for the following 25 years.
When King Pyrrhus did invade Italy to support existing Greek colonies on the eastern and southern coasts of the Italian peninsula, Carthage honored its commitment, sent its vast fleet, and blockaded/quarantined the coasts of the peninsula. It thus prevented King Pyrrhus from resupplying, reinforcing, rearming his army. Thus, the concept of the Pyrrhic victory was born. King Pyrrhus could not afford costly victories because the Carthaginian naval blockade prevented him from resupplying and reinforcing his army.
Later, when Pyrrhus decamped from Italy and landed his army in Sicily, after a protracted, see-saw war with Carthage, he departed from Sicily back to Greece.
Only Rome would not honor the agreement it made with Carthage. It would not wait 25 years and enable Carthage to recoup its expenses from its war with Pyrrhus in Sicily, nor the costs of deploying its navy to support Rome.
Only a decade or so later, it invaded Sicily in violation of its treaty with Carthage. Rome thus set the template for every other agreement, treaty, promise it ever made with anyone.
wait, so Rihanna's "B*tch better have my money" was actually about the Carthaginians all along?
I'm early yeah
Its over for trucels 😂
YES!
Comment for the comment Gods
delenda est carthago!
The Romans should have enacted a final solution to the Carthage question before there were any sequels to the Punic Wars
Mercenaries aren't that great...
Falo
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
actually, the punic armies used the greek like common language
Umm, no the Carthaginians were not harassing “Romans occupying Sicily.” The 306 bc treaty between Rome & Carthage specified that the Carthaginian navy would come to assist Rome should Macedon or Epirus invade the Italian peninsula. Furthermore, Rome would not attempt to colonize North Africa and Carthage would not establish colonies in Italy (exception was made for the single Carthaginian outpost north of Rome along the Italian coast.
Furthermore, and most importantly, the agreement specified that if Carthage was able to drive the Greeks off the Island of Sicily (where both Carthaginians and Greeks had settlements, outposts, and allied tribes & cities - and Romans had none), Carthage would retain exclusive rights over the island for the following 25 years.
When King Pyrrhus did invade Italy to support existing Greek colonies on the eastern and southern coasts of the Italian peninsula, Carthage honored its commitment, sent its vast fleet, and blockaded/quarantined the coasts of the peninsula. It thus prevented King Pyrrhus from resupplying, reinforcing, rearming his army. Thus, the concept of the Pyrrhic victory was born. King Pyrrhus could not afford costly victories because the Carthaginian naval blockade prevented him from resupplying and reinforcing his army.
Later, when Pyrrhus decamped from Italy and landed his army in Sicily, after a protracted, see-saw war with Carthage, he departed from Sicily back to Greece.
Only Rome would not honor the agreement it made with Carthage. It would not wait 25 years and enable Carthage to recoup its expenses from its war with Pyrrhus in Sicily, nor the costs of deploying its navy to support Rome.
Only a decade or so later, it invaded Sicily in violation of its treaty with Carthage. Rome thus set the template for every other agreement, treaty, promise it ever made with anyone.
What are you even talking about? He is describing the final years of the 1st Punic War, and you are talking about some treaties signed long before the war. Did you even listen to the end of the sentance?