@@lazairance forced grown up people to hate a kid that have a weapon of destruction in it Like i don't know if i don't know how that shit work i would tell my son to stay away from him to And let's ignore mfs that have there families dead like kid or not they would still hate its bad but not pure evil its one of the point of the show
@@jasontoddler7680 So are you saying despite all of the genocides, plundering and backstabbing Konoha is responsible for that made them the strongest and most popular Village (much like the USA), they are the good guys because most of our favourite characters come from there?
It’s highly corrupt, incompetent & evil. First Hokage gave away the Tailed Beasts like candy, Tobirama for inventing the revival jutsu & discrimination towards Uchiha, Hiruzen for mishandling everything & losing ONE too many prodigies under his command.
The funny thing is that it felt like sasuke was scolding the kages for thier mistakes and not taking responsibility for their actions when he brought them back to life and asked them questions like hashirama give the five vliages talid beast that can destroy the world and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in the 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems even minato wasn't able to recognize that the mask man was obito his students love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent at thier jobs this is why sasuke is my favorite character because he thinks he askes questions and comes up with his own answers i think kishimoto wrote the kages to be evil and incompetent so that sasuke revolution is right end 33 proves it
have you seen how Hokage’s think? Hiruzen is all about that weed and calligraphy, Tobirama hates the Uchiha, Kakashi thinks about porn all day, Tsunade has a bad case of getting drunk and gambling, Hashirama givening tailed beast that can destroy the world toother countries, and Naruto being very stupid with his hokage duties. It’s safe to say that hokage thinking and the will of fire ideology isn’t something to be proud of
The problem is that the show is biased towards the hidden leaf village and the will of fire that no matter what crime they do or how many people they kill their always the good guys because thier home of naruto who is the hero of the story like when nagato said what about my friends my family another example is sasuke his whole clan was kill by the hidden leaf village another example is kabuto we see in his backstory how he was used by the hidden leaf and they tried to kill him even orochimaru hated the hidden leaf village because his parents died because of them no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
after the death of her lover tsunade had nothing but distain for the hokage's even calling the job a curse saying they were all fool's who died for nothing and this was the granddaughter of the first hokage who helped invent the title kage
The show was biased towards the hidden leaf, because we see it from the leafs pov it looks like they’re the oppressed, but pain. Clearly shows us the absurd nationalism that corrupted the leaf
The funny thing is that it felt like sasuke was scolding the kages for thier mistakes and not taking responsibility for their actions when he brought them back to life when he asked them questions like hashirama give the five vliages talid beast that can destroy and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems love even minato didn't know that the mashed man was obito i love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent at thier jobs this is why sasuke is my favorite character because he thinks he askes questions and comes up with his own answers you see it real that i ask are the kages evil or incompetent at thier jobs i think kishimoto write them this way for sasuke revolution plan to be right
Honestly Minato was the lesser evil out of the four like he was only brought back by accident he had nothing to do with the uchiha massacre or the treatment of the uchiha in general his only crime was making his son into a weapon (which his own son even call's him out for and Minato makes no argument). Minato was only released because he was sealed with Hashirama and Hiruzen whom sasuke actually wanted to talk too
@JuubiTaz Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing. Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone. However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential. Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other. Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive. Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative, or is there a compromise I didn't read between the lines
@@jasontoddler7680Orochimaru, in a way Hiruzen for allowing the Uchiha clan to be murked. You could also say Tobirama for segregating the Uchiha. The Raikage sent his people to kidnap Kushina as a kid for power. Onoki funded the Akatsuki. The Kazekage hired assassins to kill his son and formed an alliance with Orochimaru to take out the leaf village. The hidden mist is literally nicknamed “The bloody mist” because of its corruption.
@@polartang250 We're talking about the Leaf Village, not the entire Shinobi world. Also, everyone knows Orochimaru is evil, he don't count. Hiruzen didn't let the Uchiha get murked. He wanted to come up with a solution, but Danzo went behind his back and did what he did best. Tobirama watched a single Uchiha almost destroy an entire alliance. And the same clan took out his siblings. He was cautious and traumatized, not evil.
@@jasontoddler7680 “The village itself may not be evil, but there are shinobi inside the village that are evil” and then you responded with “Who exactly that isn’t Danzo or an Uchiha evil?” And I responded and now you’re saying “that doesn’t count” or “We’re not talking about that” when the other guy clearly was
it's the lesser evil of the village's just because it was the home of the main character doesn't mean it was full of saint's hell the series open's up with a leaf ninja tricking one of it's own resident's (a kid no less) into committing a serious crime with a lie saying the kid would graduate and was planning to kill him afterwards. Tsunade herself even admitted as much to pain when he got on her for how she judged him "yea we caused our share of problems in the past but we also paid for it as well" basically all of the village's were screwed up the leaf was just the most moral of the 5 but they were screwy as well
You can't "fix the leaf" unless you take on the governing stance of it. Naruto changed many things as Hokage it doesn't mean the world will become an easier place to live in.
Funny is that the narrative of Naruto seems to justify the evil actions of the Leaf Village (except for Danzo’s actions). Like I don’t know I think the series seems to act like the Uchiha clan deserves their own destruction.
The problem is that the show is biased towards the hidden leaf village and the will of fire that no matter what crime they do or how many people they kill their always the good guys because thier home of naruto who is the hero of the story no wonder many villains hate the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
The narrative does go against the Uchiha, & it makes Sasuke seem unreasonable and unhinged for wanting revenge & for refusing to drop it, but yeah that's because we see it from the Leaf's perspective at first. It is kinda sad that the 2 advisors dont get addressed but I guess thats more realistic as well
Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing. Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone. However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential. Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other. Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive. Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative, or is there a compromise I didn't read between the lines
First golden comment I've seen. It's morally gray. People do as people will do, but they strive to be better and learn from others. The points of the show are forgiveness and never giving up.
Feb 3, 2025 It’s funny how people call him a racist toward the Uchia when at most he was just overly cautious of them because of their power and his prior history with them He took on an uchia student which a racist wouldn’t. Just because he devised all these Jusus doesn’t mean he was racist against the uchia. Just because they were sent to a secluded area to house doesn’t make him a racist as he was just overly cautious because of war and Madara and also the hidden leaf still liked them Hey you’d be weary of them to if you had to constantly fight them as a child where they killed your youngest brother and then you’re elderly brother trusted Madara who then went crazy destroying not just the leaf but also other uchia Call me racist for liking him but I don’t care.
15:13 they’re still alive in Boruto? They both gotta be over 100 at this point. Actually no that’s definitely not accurate, more like over 70. 16:09 it wasn’t a montage, that’s when music plays and it flips through different scenes with no words. What Pain was doing was a monologue. There are a lot of confusing English words so I don’t fault you for that. I subscribed! I know you’ll reach 6K soon, so keep it up!
The whole ninja system is a glorified paid killers who work for feudal lords who have a lot of political power that is never seen for any good, and you better believe that when the villages were made they had a lot more military resources to use, but because other feudal lords were scared of each other they start to fund their villages and create a endless cycle of war which demanded more ninja which made the villages use child soldiers. Realistically the shinobi systems is extremely corruptible as no matter how noble the Kages could be, all it will take is one who wants to create more conflict for new power and growth, and sadly with other Kages more focus on their own people they will do everything to make the system continue. Zabuza and Haku is a symptom of the system and we as the audience should be horrified, and what I hate a lot is how the First Hokage praised Itachi for being a great ninja even though he should have hated the fact that his village made a young boy kill his whole clan because he need to prove his loyalty, which could have been a ironic example of how Madara was right about what the village could have been done.
It makes hashirama a hypocrite what happen to i want to create a village were children won't have to experience war and the hidden leaf village sendes children like kakashi obito and rin to fight in war and hashirama one of the so called heros praise itachi for committing genocide and killing innocent people and children but a villain like madrara critics that way of thinking when said it will bring darkness to the village like madara said spilling blood while talking about peace is something only humans can do end 33 proves that he was right you see the heros in naruto are not different from the villains
Yes hashirama should have been guilty and ashamed that the village he created forced 12 year old itachi to kill his clan it fucked up that he praise him hashirama has a twisted sense of morality
The leaf as in the politicians and the ones pulling the strings? Absolutely. But the children and all these charactes with redeemable qualities? I don’t think so
have you seen how Hokage’s think? Hiruzen is all about that weed , Tobirama hates the uchiha and works on human experiments like orochimaru Kakashi thinks about porn all day, Tsunade has a bad case of getting drunk and gambling, Hashirama give tailed beast that can destroy the world to other villages and Naruto being very stupid with his hokage duties. It’s safe to say that hokage thinking and the will of fire ideology isn’t something to be proud of
@JuubiTaz i have a question itachi and sakumo Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing. Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone. However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential. Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other. Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive. Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative what do think juubitaz
Who determined the coup would cause widespread war? It seems like the source of that "knowledge" was Danzo...who had a reason to reach that conclusion. I disagree on the difference between Naruto and Shippuden, though. From the first issue, the theme was established. Children were indoctrinated into the ninja way to be tools.
And because Sasuke was against this entire poisonous, corrupt and broken system he was called and edgelord annoying crybaby for not being coward and conforming to his backstabbers will like Itachi did. Sasuke is a character that highlights the hypocrisy and immaturity of a lot of the Naruto fan base.
Any system that uses child soldiers to fight their battles is evil to me. I don't see anybody mentioning that. They literally send children to do their dirty work for them.
It's always grey and that's the theme When sasuke or pain destroy konoha 👉evil When konoha destroy rain 👉necessary When konoha g*nocide uchiha by itachi (child soldier)👉hero
You're wrong. Tobirama used the Uchiha as the police because the sharingan can stop crimes without violence with genjustu. He didn't fear the Uchiha, he understood them.
not necessarily.just goes to show how nations go, making great sacrifices & committing sins for the greater good of your specific ppl.Cant act like the other villages were any nicer,the only one u can really feel kinda bad for is the sand & the rain nd they still got their hands dirty with orochimaru/pain.
I think it's the opposite. He feared them but didn't hate them. He understood that their eyes cause so much pain and power that they could turn on the village in a second and do disastrous things like Obito did.
@JuubiTaz are kages evil or incompetent when sasuke brought them back to life when he asked them questions about the shnobi system hashirama he give tailed beast that can destroy the world to other villages and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems even minato wasn't able to recognize that the mask man was obito his student and he sacrifice naruto childhood and made him jinchuriki love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent my question is do think that kishimoto wrote the kages to be hypocrites and incompetent on purpose so that sasuke revolution is right
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 I think it was a bit of both tbh. Hashirama was a good leader, but he was also too idealistic & believed that everyone could just get along & act as a collective, Tobirama took a more hardline nationalist approach & a might makes right military attitude, Hiruzen admitted that he was incompetent but he also didn't change a lot about the harsh nationalist values that Tobirama engrained into the village.
@@JuubiTazOut of many youtubers that take a somewhat negative tone on Naruto, you at least seem to understand the show and juge things fairly. I shall continue to watch your videos.
@@dytgyfgyffuh243lol this is pretty accurate, but the problems stem from the Uchiha being seen as dangerous and feared because of their unrivaled power.
Lol Itachi did what he could. There wasn't really any other decision except to let all out war and the Leafs destruction begin. Maybe he could've used Kotoamatsukami since he had Shisui's eye, though.
I fee this is very biased. Madara betrayed the village because he tought he might be undermined in the future, he created the circumstances for people not to trust the uchiha. Aftert that, the uchiha choose to remain separated from the village, just like the hyuga, they want a compound to themselves while living inside a walled city, of course qhen it expands its gonna be further away. Also, there are a lot of clans in the foinding of konoha, most of them didn't have a hokage either, and none of them were the police force So madara betrayed the village, the uchiha separated themselves, an uchiha was behind the 9 tails attack, and they staged a coup became se talking seemed like it wouldn't work, so they didnt tried. The children were innocent, but the clan did wverything to make the situation worse.
the Uchiha remained loyal to the leaf even after Madara, they literally impeached him! I doubt there would have been a coup if they were more involved in administrative jobs.
The Uchiha didn't want to be separated from the village, it was tobirama who pushed the clan to the outskirts, as a compensation he granted a certain degree of autonomy in governance for that clan
Not just the uchiha many people life were ruined by the hidden leaf village naruto kakashi father nagato and kabuto no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village they are not the good guys
how is this "biased" ? Madara left after seeing no future in Konoha, even Hashirama was disappointed with how his brother was handling the clan & Madara.
@JuubiTaz madara's plan to bring peace was to declare war on everybody and dominate the continent, that's not peace, it's domination, when Hashirama wouldn't do that he fled the village, tried to kill him and when he failed, started on his plan of "everyone goes to sleep", which again, robs everyone of any choice other the ones he makes, again, domination, not peace
It’s evil and disgusting, but it mirrors our world.
It's not, you're overreacting. The main person causing problems in the village was Danzo.
@@jasontoddler7680cause Danzo forced a buch of grown ass peoplz to gang on a kid? Bro be fr
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@@lazairance forced grown up people to hate a kid that have a weapon of destruction in it
Like i don't know
if i don't know how that shit work i would tell my son to stay away from him to
And let's ignore mfs that have there families dead like kid or not they would still hate its bad but not pure evil its one of the point of the show
Watch naruto now that I am older I realized that the hidden leaf village are the real villains of the story
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You need to go back and actually rewatch and stop watching through UA-cam.
@@jasontoddler7680 So are you saying despite all of the genocides, plundering and backstabbing Konoha is responsible for that made them the strongest and most popular Village (much like the USA), they are the good guys because most of our favourite characters come from there?
Sasuke was right for wanting the complete destruction of the Shinobi system
It’s highly corrupt, incompetent & evil.
First Hokage gave away the Tailed Beasts like candy, Tobirama for inventing the revival jutsu & discrimination towards Uchiha, Hiruzen for mishandling everything & losing ONE too many prodigies under his command.
Hashirama gave them nukes so they don't attack each other...
@@grandcanyon-d4d Yet, and they STILL attack anyway
@Karlos1234ify they were mostly proxies
The funny thing is that it felt like sasuke was scolding the kages for thier mistakes and not taking responsibility for their actions when he brought them back to life and asked them questions like hashirama give the five vliages talid beast that can destroy the world and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in the 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems even minato wasn't able to recognize that the mask man was obito his students love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent at thier jobs this is why sasuke is my favorite character because he thinks he askes questions and comes up with his own answers i think kishimoto wrote the kages to be evil and incompetent so that sasuke revolution is right end 33 proves it
have you seen how Hokage’s think? Hiruzen is all about that weed and calligraphy, Tobirama hates the Uchiha, Kakashi thinks about porn all day, Tsunade has a bad case of getting drunk and gambling, Hashirama givening tailed beast that can destroy the world toother countries, and Naruto being very stupid with his hokage duties.
It’s safe to say that hokage thinking and the will of fire ideology isn’t something to be proud of
Probably the best vidéo on Naruto out there
The problem is that the show is biased towards the hidden leaf village and the will of fire that no matter what crime they do or how many people they kill their always the good guys because thier home of naruto who is the hero of the story like when nagato said what about my friends my family another example is sasuke his whole clan was kill by the hidden leaf village another example is kabuto we see in his backstory how he was used by the hidden leaf and they tried to kill him even orochimaru hated the hidden leaf village because his parents died because of them no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
after the death of her lover tsunade had nothing but distain for the hokage's even calling the job a curse saying they were all fool's who died for nothing and this was the granddaughter of the first hokage who helped invent the title kage
@@lightyoshiman Hiruzen also refused each group to have a medical unit
The show was biased towards the hidden leaf, because we see it from the leafs pov it looks like they’re the oppressed, but pain. Clearly shows us the absurd nationalism that corrupted the leaf
Dude! I need to rewatch Naruto with this new information come to light
Your channel name has been on repeat in my head all day long.
bro foresaw the video
Man I really like this intro... sends me into a different, calm place lol
lol. I slowed down the ost for copyright issues, but Im glad it's had a calming effect
Damn, I was thinking about something like this as well too: "Did the Shadowkage System work or was it flawed and/or doomed from the start?"
it was kinda doomed from the start (for some at least)
I bet Tobirama conducted human experiments during the first war
His first human sacrifice would have been an uchiha
Sure thing, for him to have created the edo tensei, lives were lost
The funny thing is that it felt like sasuke was scolding the kages for thier mistakes and not taking responsibility for their actions when he brought them back to life when he asked them questions like hashirama give the five vliages talid beast that can destroy and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems love even minato didn't know that the mashed man was obito i love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent at thier jobs this is why sasuke is my favorite character because he thinks he askes questions and comes up with his own answers you see it real that i ask are the kages evil or incompetent at thier jobs i think kishimoto write them this way for sasuke revolution plan to be right
Bro Shippuden Sasuke was a goatee character fr... shame what they did to my boy in Boruto 🥲
@JuubiTaz yes sasuke is weak and boring in brouto every 5 minutes I am out of chakra
Honestly Minato was the lesser evil out of the four like he was only brought back by accident he had nothing to do with the uchiha massacre or the treatment of the uchiha in general his only crime was making his son into a weapon (which his own son even call's him out for and Minato makes no argument). Minato was only released because he was sealed with Hashirama and Hiruzen whom sasuke actually wanted to talk too
@@lightyoshiman yeah, Minato's reign as Hokage was too short tbh
@JuubiTaz Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative, or is there a compromise I didn't read between the lines
The village drove Kakashi’s father to self terminate,
Made Naruto’s life a living hell, Danzo pulling bs in the background
No wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 Hell even tsunade abandoned it at one point calling the kage's fools for giving their lives up for the village
The same thing happened in literally every other village, that's human nature. You can't force change but you can influence people with your actions.
Short anwser : YES.
The village itself may not be evil, but there are Shinobi inside the village that are evil.
😐 who exactly that isn't Danzo or an Uchiha?
@@jasontoddler7680Orochimaru, in a way Hiruzen for allowing the Uchiha clan to be murked. You could also say Tobirama for segregating the Uchiha. The Raikage sent his people to kidnap Kushina as a kid for power. Onoki funded the Akatsuki. The Kazekage hired assassins to kill his son and formed an alliance with Orochimaru to take out the leaf village. The hidden mist is literally nicknamed “The bloody mist” because of its corruption.
@@polartang250 We're talking about the Leaf Village, not the entire Shinobi world. Also, everyone knows Orochimaru is evil, he don't count. Hiruzen didn't let the Uchiha get murked. He wanted to come up with a solution, but Danzo went behind his back and did what he did best. Tobirama watched a single Uchiha almost destroy an entire alliance. And the same clan took out his siblings. He was cautious and traumatized, not evil.
@@jasontoddler7680 “The village itself may not be evil, but there are shinobi inside the village that are evil” and then you responded with “Who exactly that isn’t Danzo or an Uchiha evil?” And I responded and now you’re saying “that doesn’t count” or “We’re not talking about that” when the other guy clearly was
it's the lesser evil of the village's just because it was the home of the main character doesn't mean it was full of saint's hell the series open's up with a leaf ninja tricking one of it's own resident's (a kid no less) into committing a serious crime with a lie saying the kid would graduate and was planning to kill him afterwards. Tsunade herself even admitted as much to pain when he got on her for how she judged him "yea we caused our share of problems in the past but we also paid for it as well" basically all of the village's were screwed up the leaf was just the most moral of the 5 but they were screwy as well
I think the Leaf having Danzo makes it hard to considered the "most moral"... but yes, all the Shinobi villages were evil & selfish in a way
This is the best take I've seen. But I'd say the hidden cloud probably harbors the title of least evil.
You’re so right. I love how Naruto captures real life issues which makes it so deep.
you really look into this. I really enjoy your analysis videos
naruto is a sellout, from the onset of the show his goal was simply to become the hokage not to fix the leaf
You can't "fix the leaf" unless you take on the governing stance of it. Naruto changed many things as Hokage it doesn't mean the world will become an easier place to live in.
It's a kid's dream, btw.
Funny is that the narrative of Naruto seems to justify the evil actions of the Leaf Village (except for Danzo’s actions). Like I don’t know I think the series seems to act like the Uchiha clan deserves their own destruction.
The problem is that the show is biased towards the hidden leaf village and the will of fire that no matter what crime they do or how many people they kill their always the good guys because thier home of naruto who is the hero of the story no wonder many villains hate the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
The narrative does go against the Uchiha, & it makes Sasuke seem unreasonable and unhinged for wanting revenge & for refusing to drop it, but yeah that's because we see it from the Leaf's perspective at first. It is kinda sad that the 2 advisors dont get addressed but I guess thats more realistic as well
Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative, or is there a compromise I didn't read between the lines
fire video
You didn't even watch it.😭
@@TheProphetLot he could sense how fire the vid was without watching it
@ Facts
It isn't necessary all good either.
exactly
First golden comment I've seen. It's morally gray. People do as people will do, but they strive to be better and learn from others. The points of the show are forgiveness and never giving up.
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It’s funny how people call him a racist toward the Uchia when at most he was just overly cautious of them because of their power and his prior history with them
He took on an uchia student which a racist wouldn’t. Just because he devised all these Jusus doesn’t mean he was racist against the uchia. Just because they were sent to a secluded area to house doesn’t make him a racist as he was just overly cautious because of war and Madara and also the hidden leaf still liked them
Hey you’d be weary of them to if you had to constantly fight them as a child where they killed your youngest brother and then you’re elderly brother trusted Madara who then went crazy destroying not just the leaf but also other uchia
Call me racist for liking him but I don’t care.
15:13 they’re still alive in Boruto? They both gotta be over 100 at this point. Actually no that’s definitely not accurate, more like over 70.
16:09 it wasn’t a montage, that’s when music plays and it flips through different scenes with no words. What Pain was doing was a monologue. There are a lot of confusing English words so I don’t fault you for that.
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The whole ninja system is a glorified paid killers who work for feudal lords who have a lot of political power that is never seen for any good, and you better believe that when the villages were made they had a lot more military resources to use, but because other feudal lords were scared of each other they start to fund their villages and create a endless cycle of war which demanded more ninja which made the villages use child soldiers. Realistically the shinobi systems is extremely corruptible as no matter how noble the Kages could be, all it will take is one who wants to create more conflict for new power and growth, and sadly with other Kages more focus on their own people they will do everything to make the system continue. Zabuza and Haku is a symptom of the system and we as the audience should be horrified, and what I hate a lot is how the First Hokage praised Itachi for being a great ninja even though he should have hated the fact that his village made a young boy kill his whole clan because he need to prove his loyalty, which could have been a ironic example of how Madara was right about what the village could have been done.
Yes no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village
It makes hashirama a hypocrite what happen to i want to create a village were children won't have to experience war and the hidden leaf village sendes children like kakashi obito and rin to fight in war and hashirama one of the so called heros praise itachi for committing genocide and killing innocent people and children but a villain like madrara critics that way of thinking when said it will bring darkness to the village like madara said spilling blood while talking about peace is something only humans can do end 33 proves that he was right you see the heros in naruto are not different from the villains
Yes hashirama should have been guilty and ashamed that the village he created forced 12 year old itachi to kill his clan it fucked up that he praise him hashirama has a twisted sense of morality
Total character assassination
Pain did nothing wrong destroying the Leaf.
Yes both sasuke and pain had every right to hate the hidden leaf village they are not the good guys
I feel bad for the future of the world if people with your mindsets are the ones who will inherit it.
The leaf as in the politicians and the ones pulling the strings? Absolutely. But the children and all these charactes with redeemable qualities? I don’t think so
No
@@lazairancethey bullied Sakumo into suicide and abused Naruto
have you seen how Hokage’s think? Hiruzen is all about that weed , Tobirama hates the uchiha and works on human experiments like orochimaru Kakashi thinks about porn all day, Tsunade has a bad case of getting drunk and gambling, Hashirama give tailed beast that can destroy the world to other villages and Naruto being very stupid with his hokage duties.
It’s safe to say that hokage thinking and the will of fire ideology isn’t something to be proud of
what about Minato & Naruto?
@JuubiTaz i have a question itachi and sakumo Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative what do think juubitaz
Interesting video, I enjoyed its mature themes from nationalism to authoritarianism.
Hell yeah it is from a certain point 👉 of view 😂😆🤔🤭
No wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
Yes the leaf village evil
basically
nice video, what was the background music at 11:49?
That's Kimimaro's theme
Who determined the coup would cause widespread war? It seems like the source of that "knowledge" was Danzo...who had a reason to reach that conclusion.
I disagree on the difference between Naruto and Shippuden, though. From the first issue, the theme was established. Children were indoctrinated into the ninja way to be tools.
And because Sasuke was against this entire poisonous, corrupt and broken system he was called and edgelord annoying crybaby for not being coward and conforming to his backstabbers will like Itachi did.
Sasuke is a character that highlights the hypocrisy and immaturity of a lot of the Naruto fan base.
I think you meant "during Pain's monologue." a montage is a collection of pictures
lol yeah you're right, lets just call it a brain fart
What is Tobirama doing in thumbnai?
Any system that uses child soldiers to fight their battles is evil to me. I don't see anybody mentioning that. They literally send children to do their dirty work for them.
I do think so. The third homage just make mistakes.
You forgot about the hyuga clan slavery and curse mark on thier for head
It's always grey and that's the theme
When sasuke or pain destroy konoha 👉evil
When konoha destroy rain 👉necessary
When konoha g*nocide uchiha by itachi (child soldier)👉hero
Madrara was right end 33 proves he was also right about how the uchiha will be killed by the hidden leaf village in the future
You're wrong. Tobirama used the Uchiha as the police because the sharingan can stop crimes without violence with genjustu. He didn't fear the Uchiha, he understood them.
Better question would be:
Is any of the Shinobi Villages good?
not necessarily.just goes to show how nations go, making great sacrifices & committing sins for the greater good of your specific ppl.Cant act like the other villages were any nicer,the only one u can really feel kinda bad for is the sand & the rain nd they still got their hands dirty with orochimaru/pain.
I'd say the answer depends on who you're asking
There is no such thing as an 'evil' state. Geopolitics is a might makes right/anything goes environment. The strongest makes the rules on morality.
Whole clan shunned their strongest member 💀
and then they'd get exterminated by the village they shunned him for
I wish boruto was more about systemic issues in the shinobi world.
yeah but instead its about aliens & cyborgs.
Is English your second language I am just curious
what makes u think that?
Tobirama did not fear the uchiha tho. He just hated them and their demonic eyes that got stronger thru hatred. Tobirama did nothing wrong
I think it's the opposite. He feared them but didn't hate them. He understood that their eyes cause so much pain and power that they could turn on the village in a second and do disastrous things like Obito did.
Juubitaz I have a question
shoot
@JuubiTaz are kages evil or incompetent when sasuke brought them back to life when he asked them questions about the shnobi system hashirama he give tailed beast that can destroy the world to other villages and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems even minato wasn't able to recognize that the mask man was obito his student and he sacrifice naruto childhood and made him jinchuriki love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent my question is do think that kishimoto wrote the kages to be hypocrites and incompetent on purpose so that sasuke revolution is right
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 I think it was a bit of both tbh. Hashirama was a good leader, but he was also too idealistic & believed that everyone could just get along & act as a collective, Tobirama took a more hardline nationalist approach & a might makes right military attitude, Hiruzen admitted that he was incompetent but he also didn't change a lot about the harsh nationalist values that Tobirama engrained into the village.
@@JuubiTazOut of many youtubers that take a somewhat negative tone on Naruto, you at least seem to understand the show and juge things fairly. I shall continue to watch your videos.
Yes the village is definitely evil 💯
I feel like konoha is like the germany
Jews= uchihas
Hokage is basically a dictator
@@lordrsw9098 kohona is the US and Uchiha are the Irish
I think this comparison can be made to a lot of past events
I think uchiha are black people being descrmnited and racist against them all thanks to tobirama teaching
@@dytgyfgyffuh243lol this is pretty accurate, but the problems stem from the Uchiha being seen as dangerous and feared because of their unrivaled power.
Danzo is evil, no doubt
Itachi did nothing wrong, he made Konoha great again.
Tobirama, that you?
Lol Itachi did what he could. There wasn't really any other decision except to let all out war and the Leafs destruction begin. Maybe he could've used Kotoamatsukami since he had Shisui's eye, though.
I fee this is very biased.
Madara betrayed the village because he tought he might be undermined in the future, he created the circumstances for people not to trust the uchiha.
Aftert that, the uchiha choose to remain separated from the village, just like the hyuga, they want a compound to themselves while living inside a walled city, of course qhen it expands its gonna be further away.
Also, there are a lot of clans in the foinding of konoha, most of them didn't have a hokage either, and none of them were the police force
So madara betrayed the village, the uchiha separated themselves, an uchiha was behind the 9 tails attack, and they staged a coup became se talking seemed like it wouldn't work, so they didnt tried.
The children were innocent, but the clan did wverything to make the situation worse.
the Uchiha remained loyal to the leaf even after Madara, they literally impeached him! I doubt there would have been a coup if they were more involved in administrative jobs.
The Uchiha didn't want to be separated from the village, it was tobirama who pushed the clan to the outskirts, as a compensation he granted a certain degree of autonomy in governance for that clan
Not just the uchiha many people life were ruined by the hidden leaf village naruto kakashi father nagato and kabuto no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village they are not the good guys
how is this "biased" ? Madara left after seeing no future in Konoha, even Hashirama was disappointed with how his brother was handling the clan & Madara.
@JuubiTaz madara's plan to bring peace was to declare war on everybody and dominate the continent, that's not peace, it's domination, when Hashirama wouldn't do that he fled the village, tried to kill him and when he failed, started on his plan of "everyone goes to sleep", which again, robs everyone of any choice other the ones he makes, again, domination, not peace
The older generation is like ours and the modern one is kinda like ours they are great fictional examples of the real world