Michael Jordan could've won the 6 Titles without Scottie Pippen | CLUB SHAY SHAY
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- How did the former teammates go from winning six championships together to becoming adversaries? Charles Oakley, who started his pro career with the Bulls in 1985, weighs in about Jordan and Pippen.
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Michael Jordan could've won the 6 Titles without Scottie Pippen | CLUB SHAY SHAY
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Agree that MJ could've won 6 rings without Scottie? Listen here: sprtspod.fox/Ep.44
No I don’t think so
Aye Shannon I'm a big fan bro from the GA 💯🤟🏾
No I do not he’s just sticking up for his friend
Lebron James would not have won his 2 Miami Heat championships without the help of Dwayne Wade, or Ray Allen. Lebron James would have not won his 3rd title without Kyrie Irving, or Kevin Love. Lebron James would have not won his Disneyland ring without trading all of the young talented players without getting Anthony Davis. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I know Scottie . P #33 has been salty lately, but let’s give credit when it’s due. He was a beast in his prime , his defense alone was a problem
Since Michael Jordan himself has stated on more than one occasion-including his hall of fame speech-that, and I quote; “without Scottie Pippen there would be no Michael Jordan,” I’d say no.
Give Mike Dominique Wilkens, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing and he still wins 6 Championships
@@traceybean9449 bro you just named 4 dudes who never won championships 😹
He didnt have pippen in college or the first few years
@@columbusohio72 and he didn’t win titles those years, you people need to stop I won’t be defeated.
@Beery that’s the same thing maybe I quoted wrongly but that’s the same statement
I'm from Chicago and he couldn't do it without him and if he did he'd have to have a super team not an organic one 👍🏾 Jordan is Jordan but pip was super underrated he was quiet that's all 💯
He dragged Pippen to the last championship. pippen’s back was out. Give Jordan another all star @ he’s winning. For example Kemp who was a proposed trade for Pippen.
Bro Oak Tree be drunk!😉
@@calfrye5343 I remember that Kemp pip situation I'm just saying bruh and they cheated us from going against NY just for this reason could he go without Jordan 💯 answer yes without cheating 😂 but hey sorry both of them acting this way smh 👎🏾
@@calfrye5343 man stop Shawn Kemp wasn’t nowhere near the level of Scottie. He didn’t have the basketball IQ nor versatility that Scottie had. Scottie was the first Swiss Army knife before LeBron and Draymond. No way Mike was getting past those Knicks and Pacers teams without Scottie. Scottie was the most important player on the Bulls if you actually watched them in real time and not on UA-cam. Mike has no NBA success without Scottie period point blank. Mike is smart enough to know this he even said it himself. Why Scottie is so mad idk cause Mike always gave Scottie his props.
@@jimmyconway6080 Mike gave Scottie his props because Scottie did help as the second best player on the team. But Mike made Scottie.period. Mike was going to win his rings as long as he had a star & a team that complimented his skill set. That star could have been Pippen, Kemp, Etc. Kemp was definitely on Pippen’s level before the lockout. That era’s elites were Magic, Bird, Zeke & Jordan being the goat after the Kareem & Dr J era.
This, folks, is the kind of friend that you don’t need. Oakley is a certified Yes-man.
God Bless Charles Barkley.
Right
Facts. Oakley is always out here capping
🤣🤣facts tho
Charles Barkley isn’t a real friend. You want ur friend roasting you and making fun of you in public? Who raised you?? Lol you would be livid
I guess you didn’t actually watch the video lmao
He said “Mike couldn’t have won without Scotty” 🤦🏽♂️ not that he could have won without him
Shannon a Jordan hater so all the questions and comments are condescending unless it’s Lebron.
@@wmmitchell3494 You’re foolish if you believe that Mike would’ve won them championships without Scottie.
@@thagreat6010 No player is winning without help 🤦🏾♂️ 🤡
@@hakeemm1003 🤡
@@hakeemm1003 That’s basically all I’m saying
Scottie "ET TU BRUTE" Pippen... Every opportunity Michael Jordan gets he always gives Pippen his due Respect
Huh? Scottie who?
No he don't and it's not enough
Yea he just made him look like a clown when the world was watching Because of the pandemic... remember the ESPN documentary lol
@@marcust6479 Naw... I think his wife Larsa made Pip looked worse than a 🤡
The King Cuckhold of Cuckhold's Scottie Pippen
@@DJReyzor357 No. Man pippen been cheating on her since they first got together. He can't be mad when she started doing the same. That's his fault.
You can't have 1 without the other, they both needed each other.. they both had a chance to win without the other and came up short.
Jordan would've won... it would've been just having to find the right piece to play with a great...
@@Clee-dv9jz they did... Pippen😂😂😂
@@trayodom6344 and he should be thankful lol
Yea except one is farrrr more replaceable than the other. There’s a ton of 2 way forwards throughout nba history that could’ve fulfilled the pippen role alongside Jordan. Think along the lines of Paul George and tatum.
@@supremegoesviral9922 Jordan was just as replaceable tho... Pippen was like 1 game away from going to the finals in Portland... He just faced the Kobe/Shaq Lakers
That's a lie. Even Jordan said he couldn't win without Scottie
Do y’all not understand when someone is being modest?
Michael was just being nice
Jordan could have won with another scottie
Yes... on camera.
@@LeathafaceTV records don't like. Jordan never made it out of the first round without Scottie. Jordan almost left the bulls because he couldn't get out the first round
Stars aligned perfectly for both of them. Wish they would've won one more in 99 but the team got dismantled. Thank u Jerry.
It got so Dismantled tht its still lost in the Wilderness and every Star tht played there got injured or was traded.
You kno wht I cnt understand up to today, how cud you have a Team thts Winning and dismantle it to rebuild a team tht hasn't lost as yet, like WTF y'all thinking of just stick to wht you got and add a 1 or 2 different things and you're still Winning but you choose to break down a radio thts wrkn to do wht see wht makes it wrk and then you cnt put it bck together, who knows the Bulls mightve probably had 8/10 Championships.
@@sroland3533 you can only put a band aid so many times and say “one more”. People who didn’t live in that era don’t realize that even the 1997 championship barely happened. Jordan was on another 1 year deal and Pippen was already complaining about his contract as even Longley was paid more. Rodman was already bored and wasn’t starting in 98. No way he behaves in 99.
I remember most thinking the 98 championship wouldn’t happen.
So it’s funny that people think that 99 would’ve been an easy task to keep everyone together when it was really done halfway through 98.
@@eddieG667 Fair enuff
@@sroland3533 thanks for keeping an open mind lol.. Most of the kids throw tantrums in the comments and resort to name calling.
He (CHARLES OAKLEY) ACTUALLY said that Jordan "COULDN'T HAVE WON WITHOUT SCOTTIE. He was making the point that Jordan himself has repeatedly said publicly. I understood him clearly when I listened to this video through my headphones without seeing the title of it. The title of the video is wrong because Oakley talks fast and muffled. Please have your peeps change the description @clubshayshay. I know that you're not out here intentional trying for click bait, but this is obviously an honest mistake. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK BIG HOMIE!
Agreed.
@ 1:25
i need at least one playoff mvp from pippen to think he made such an impact if anything he made jordans path easier but jordan was determind to win and was allways playoff mvp sorry pippen
Jordan fans don’t think Michael can do anything wrong. Some people get along and some don’t. No one is perfect. Not even Michael. He was an incredible player though.
I don't even need to watch the video.... Nobody can win a championship by themselves.... it's a team sport for a reason
The title is wrong. Oak says “he couldn’t have won…l
Stop it. Jordan needed Pippen. Pippen is one of the best perimeters/wing defenders of all time.
He aint need Pippen, he just needed somebody👌🏾 Pippen not even a top 5 SF of all time👌🏾 he a athletic defender that can facilitate but he wasnt a number…Jordan coulda got those chips wit any other all star
@@juicejones1224 People are delusional
Pippen needed Mike more than Mike needed him 👍
And Pippen was virtually none existent in some of those runs including the last chip in 98.
Did was a 6'8 athletic point forward. But jordan had talent on his team on both runs.
This man is a Championship-level D-rider... LOL!
Fax...Jordan like al capone lol
😂😂
Yes
Goat comment lol
You ain't never had a real friend
Scottie was their play maker for the triangle who usually brung the ball down court setting up plays plus who was great defender who took charges !!! Straight facts !!!!
True story!!! Pippen and Grant came into there own and the Bull's finally got past the Pistons
After 4 years, yeah. They changed the team pretty drastically before they finally beat the Pistons, even AFTER Pip got there.
Pippen didn’t come to his own. He learned and trained with the best player in the game. I would argue that if Pippen got drafted somewhere else he wouldn’t have had a career that he had.
Scottie just needs some recognition because he was an excellent player, a great all around player, a tremendous defensive player, People don’t give him the credit he deserves
But he got paid BIG after leaving the Bulls and got his number retired by the organization. Not to mention that he got inducted into HOF. What more does he want?
He did nothing after he left Chicago.
Scottie was never DPOY.
@@jjwrenmusic True but he was guarding the best offensive player on the other side
So let's do this..the reason Jordan did what he did is because he had teammates that did their jobs..Jordan didn't have to score all the point, get all the rebounds , assist or have to set the team up..he could just be a deadly assassin when he wanted to be..we cant be delusional when we saw what we saw..
Also was a great defender
Facts
He led his position in rebounds and assits and best defender at his position
What were you watching?
@@sambo416 but not the bulls
If Jordan went to the Blazers with Drexler he would have had 8 rings. IMO
Jordan would have won 8 rings if he didn't retire in '93.
Pippen is one of the greatest defenders in the history of the game. Defense was a huge part of the Bulls success.
Jordan would have won rings with any other superstar (including drexler) but nowhere near the same level of success he had with Pippen. For a while Pippen was a top 3 player in the league. Drexler was never that guy
@@Bonescratcher Scottie was never a top 3 player in the league, just because he's top 3 in MVP voting doesn't mean he's top 3 player in the league. PG13 was 3rd in MVP voting in 2019, does that mean he was the 3 best player in the league with KD, Curry, Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis just to name a few? 😂
@@zxcvb3772 what are you smoking bro. Scottie is literally on every single top 20 all time ranking I’ve ever seen
@@Bonescratcher First off, you literally just proved that Scottie does, in fact, get his due credit, contrary to what he's crying about "not getting any credit".
Second of all, all time ranking is career achievement ranking, and winning 6 rings do help your case, a lot, even if you're playing second fiddle 95% of your career.
And lastly, I would never pick Scottie over Drexler, Hakeem, Barkley, DRob, Shaq, Dominique and many more to start my franchise with.
He put those things in the doc for a reason. He put the "Scottie refusal" there because that was one of the reasons he came back to the game. He added "the back injury" because it contributed to why it was the last dance.
The last dance was about the 1998 season. No reason to put Scottie not going back in the game in the documentary
@@spenser6353 last dance showed every season from 1985, and these dudes childhoods, etc. Jordan was paid for the 1994 season by the Bulls, despite he was a baseball player.
@@honorfirst7506 so why was it called the last dance? I thought it was about Jordan's final season
@@spenser6353 it ends at the last dance of the party, but they had all those other dances during the party, before the last dance.
@@honorfirst7506 they still disrespected pippen by putting that in there
Jordan literally said he could not have won without Pippen.....
Of course he would say that thats the kind of person he is
Because he’s humble
Yes... on camera.
@@phenomfacemob1011 Please tell me how well you know Jordan LOOOL. Y'all make me laugh
Because Pippen was there. Pippen played a big part in those 6 rings and was the 2nd most important/impactful player on the Bulls. If you replaced Pippen with someone else or traded Jordan to another team he definitely would've had a chance to win 6 or more rings.
scottie got farther without Jordan in the playoffs....than Jordan got without Scottie. Jordan squad got swept in the first round, scottie almost led his squad to the finals.
Preach! Nobody wants to admit the truth.
Did Scottie get the chip tho?
💯💯
So Scottie led his teams to beat one of the greatest teams in history on the level of the Boston Celtics in the first round?
Pippen didn't even get his team to the Eastern conference finals and bailed on them when Kukoc was given the final shot after Pippen missed shots down the stretch. The year after that the bulls were barely over 500 and regressed. You guys don't even care for Pippen he's just a tool to diminish Jordan.
I think there's a good chance that Jordan could have won maybe 1 or 2 titles without Pippen. But for him to win all 6 he would have needed a very good point guard or a very good passing forward. Pippen is essential to those championships because he alleviates the offensive and defensive burden immensely for Jordan, not to mention his play making and passing skills really complimented Jordan and the rest of the team.
Charles Oakley didn't get along with Pippen because Pippen joined the Bulls very confidently and actually rose to be a great player. It also probably didn't help that with Pippen and Horace Grant developing into much better players, there was no need for him in Chicago and he was ultimately traded to New York. So yeah, there's a lot of bias coming from Charles Oakley's side.
Pippen did not alleviate anything on offense for Jordan. Pippen was a liability on offense.
@@sugarfoot2271 This is a terrible take that doesn't make any sense. Scottie Pippen was the number 2 scorer during Jordan's prime year with the Bulls and often led those teams in assists. The year he played without Jordan on the Bulls he was the leading scorer. Michael Jordan HIMSELF as said that Pippen was a great offensive player. So when you say he was an "offensive liability" what exactly do you mean by that?
@@sugarfoot2271 why do Jordan worshipers feel the need to discredit all the Bulls teammates especially Scottie? It doesn’t threaten his legacy by admitting his team was good
@@bensytaccount plus Phil Jackson said it in a recent interview with Scott Williams on his podcast that Pippen brining up the ball created so many problems for the opposition especially teams who like to pressure the ball.
And it’s not an easy role where someone else can just get plugged in. Phil tried very hard to have forwards Horry, Odom and Ariza try to fill that Pippen role and they weren’t able to
@@eddieG667 Odom was able to fill that position for Kobe. But Scottie was really on another level.
I thought he said Mike couldn’t have won without Scottie. Mike always says he couldn’t have won without Scottie. I think y’all mis quoted Oakley.
No he couldn't. Isiah Thomas and the Pistons prove that. Michael needed someone just as athletic and dominant as he was just get pass that Pistons team
Scottie Pippen was never as athletic or dominant as Jordan. This comment is just blatantly false.
@@atlien1988 The great Michael Jordan said he was just as good and couldn't win without Scottie
@@synexthebarbarian8006 I remember him saying that he needed him but I don't ever remember him saying he was just as good. Can you drop the link of the video or article where he said that?
@@gedgecomb Why don't you pull up some game films on Pippen and see what Jordan is talking
😂😂😅😅…you’re a joke with that comment
Charles Oakley will always agree with everything Jordan does and says, Oakley doesn't have a mind of his own. 🤷🏾♂️
He spoke facts tho
False oak doesn't care what people think. He always speaks his mind
@@apng8879 He does care what Jordan thinks of him. He will never tell the truth about Jordan like Barkley did.
Being a top scorer is just that but all around Scottie was the truth. He could get buckets and defend your best player.
😂😂😂😂😂…. Jordan was a 9 time 1st defense team, and won a DPOY with 3 steals & 2 blocks……as a Guard. Y’all just be talking. Jordan had to score 30, shutdown the opposing SG, and play team defense. It’s easy when you don’t have the pressure to lead your team to wins.
@@lastshallbefirst5516 never said it was easy and again neither won without the other. I still say he wouldn’t have. 3peat without Scottie Pippen.
What if scottie would have shot the ball more ? More points at 49% from the field
@@lastshallbefirst5516 he still wasn't better than scottie on the defensive end. His coaches admitted that
@@sjp1969 he wouldn't have won period
Then why didn’t he?
Jordan was a baby in the sports world at the time is what y’all fail to realize.
Mike literally averaged 37 the season before Scottie was drafted. Why didn’t he win?!?
That’s what I said
Pippen was a no show all 98 season and finals it felt like he was alone. Pippen also never had those big moments like Ray Allen or Kyrie and A.D. did to save lbj
They didnt pump Rodman up enough. Rodman won them the series vs Seattle, should of won MVP of the finals but they were never gonna give it to him
good point
Same could be said for AD in the bubble gum championship
Thank you...people say I'm crazy
The fact of the matter is Jordan never won without Scottie. Something we will never know however, Scottie was there
Scottie never won without him either. So what's the difference?
what are you talking about, mind? that’s not the question at all
Did Pippen win a chip without Jordan? 🤣🤣🤣
@@thatPSNguy99 What are you talking about, Boucher? My point was clearly made.
Sure he could've. Which is why he never had a single winning season without Scottie, let alone a title. Sorry Jordanslurpers, but facts are the facts. James needed stars to win championships. Jordan needed stars just to lead his team over .500.
Jordan has only had one all star on his team his entire career Scottie no one else on his team was listed as a all star yes including Dennis Rodman WHEN they played on the bulls with Jordan Learn some REAL facts before u stop spitting nonsense idc about the lebron vs Jordan debate but clearly ur just angry typing jordan played with 1 all star his entire career on bulls
@@antiisolation4 he played with four
What’s Lebron’s finals record again………🤔 I’ll wait FOH 🤡
@@JoeBlow-dw4uv 4-6. That ain't a secret. But u can't get mad at the facts
@@JoeBlow-dw4uv Whataboutism doesn't change the facts
Jordan was in the lottery every year before scottie pippen was drafted.
He was in the playoffs actually
As a rookie he was the 7th seed
@@luewhop7562 with a 30-52 record
@@luewhop7562 with a losing record
@@therealdakshina1051 yes, but he wasn’t in the lottery. That team wouldn’t have won 20 games without Jordan with how poorly they were playing though. They just didn’t have a lot of talent to compete against the best teams in the league.
This is why Jordan keeps this dunce around. Oakley is a Yes-man. And probably the Greatest Yes-man who ever lived.
How many championship did Mike win before pippin arrived at chicago
@@elijahcolclough7203 Zero 🥚
Jordan having Pippen is like Lbj having Kawahi
Wrong pippen was never that good of a scorer...pippen didn't do squat after he left the bulls...
@@King-if5kh except he was a mvp candidate when jordan first retired and nearly made it to conference finals SHUT UP
@@ng7214 but he never won MVP and played like shi# against the knicks in the 94 playoffs he averaged 21ppg on a horrendous 40% and the next following year before jordan came back the bulls were 34-31 on the verge of missing the playoffs pippien openly was talking about he wanted to be traded off the team before jordan came back that year....so u shut up clown
@@King-if5kh Scottie was injured when he was at Portland, and still almost made it to the Finals. Houston didn't work out because of Sir Charles. Hakeem, Charles and Scottie were past prime, but still had potential if Barkley could have kept his mouth shut to the press. Bottom line, Scottie had success after the Bulls. Making it to game 7 of the Western Conference Finals is an accomplishment. His leadership and work ethic was his main contribution during that period.
Cap af
Facts, up until that point in history Scottie was the best defensive player of all time, before his time.
Ever since the Giannis comment, Oak been a joke. Wish Scottie never let Oakley punk him. He literally led in every statistical category other than points in the finals, if my memory serves correct. 😂😂😂
@@VladimirElliot Do the team who got the most points in a game wins the game? Getting the most steals or rebounds is a statistic on the scoreboard.
@@LeathafaceTV, You are a prime example of ignorance, I hope you just being ignorant.
Can I ask two questions on this subject ? #1 when Jordan won his championship with the bulls who was the starting 5 ?# 2 when he won 3 in a role who was with the bulls all 3 of those games this might help
First 3 peat was Cartwright and Second three it was Luc Longley as the starting centers
First 3 peat all who were there Scottie, Horace, John Paxson and Cartwright off the top and 2nd Kerr,Pippen,Rodman and Harper off the top…
Them guys were hard to beat they had some of the best rebounder and 3 point shooter that makes a lot of different
@@kennthashby6351 indeed ppl undervalue role players
What Oak is saying he could have won with someone else other than Scottie. There were other small forwards in the league at the time that was better than Scottie. Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, Clyde Drexler, Penny Hardaway could have played small forward, Reggie Miller. Matter of fact they almost traded Scottie for McGrady who was way better. Used to watch Grant Hill destroy him.
Mark Aguirre James Worthy Dominique Wilkins etc etc
They weren’t defenders or playmakers
@@MNMuscle exactly and half of them wasn't flat out better then Scottie lol
@@MNMuscle thank you
I've had this argument for years. Maybe Grant could have pulled it off but he wouldn't have stayed healthy. Drexler, Tracy, they score but dont have the intangibles. You also have to play your roll. Can you imagine Dominique in his prime playing 2nd fiddle to Jordan... Nope!
Jordan said he couldn't have won without Pippen. Pippen has led in every category except scoring so that can't be replaced in the Bulls Dynasty...
That's what a 3 does. Lamarr did more on the court than Kobe except score. Positions my guy
@@Aboog11 that’s cap Kobe scored facilitated and played defense
@@TaybeenTrill248 Kobe was a shooting guard. Lamarr ran the offense like a Pippen in the triangle. Lamarr was Kobes Pip.
No way he gets 6 without pippen. He might have hot 3 or 4 but not six. He was the perfect costar for Michael. They always put pip on the best player and that allowed Michael to have energy on offense and shut down the second best dude.
3 or 4? He wouldn’t have gotten one without Pippen. They were both critical to each other’s success. This is a team game. Not a one man show. 5 Beats 1.
@@Iceman-xe7jo well i was being generous because he is the greatest and assuming they would have paired him with a less costar. Just look at what pippen did to magic once they put him on magic during their first title run. Changed the whole series. Lakers probably would have won if pippen wasnt their
Depends who took Scottie Place on the Roster...
That era was SF heavy, Grant Hill
Shawn Kemp, Jamal Mashburn
Sean Elliott, Detlef Shrempf, Glenn Robinson.
And T-Mac
Swap Scottie out for a Healthy T-Mac or G Hill
And Jamal Mashburn who was seriously underrated.
It's not like they would leave Scottie
Roster spot vacant..
@@Peakfreud There is no such thing as a healthy Grant he wasn't a durable player
This man will literally die for Jordan!!! If you notice anybody who has a problem with Jordan has a problem with Oakley
Loyalty
Michael would have only won more scoring titles and maybe 1-2 chips without Pippen. I love Oakley but c’mon man!
Oakley used to be one of my favorite low block soldiers. His Jordan serving (d!¢ riding)is changing my mind about him.
Maybe Mike couldnt win without Scottie but Scottie definately couldnt win without Mike.
yea, thats what they said about Kobe…. and he proved mfs wrong.
Scottie and the Bulls without Mike was one Bad call from a ref away from the Confrence Finals again. Do try to revise history that can be googled lol Mike was 1-9 getting swept without Scottie
Jordan👑🐐
Charles just don't like Pip when he started goin off the deep end after 'the last dance'. Mike wouldn't have gotten 6 witout pippen, pippen was tough
Look, you only live once, love everbody even your enemies. Mike, Scotty, Charles Barkley need end this garbage, because if someone past away there will be a lots of regrets. This is not cool, be the GOAT outside of sports and all of y'all show love towards one another.Thats being a role model. Again, tomorrow is not promise.
My favorite player as a child was Scottie Pippen!💪🏾
UNDERRATED BEAST 👍👍👍
That shows how good of teams they had thats why whn he left thr was only a 3 game difference in games
People don’t remember but i do…it was Jordan Vs Celtics…Jordan vs Pistons…Jordan vs Cavs Jordan vs Everbody because Jordan had nobody. Literally…but as soon as he got a guy it was a wrap…6 and 0👌🏾 if Dirk Nowitzki can win 1 with no All Stars, im sure Jordan would’ve done same👍🏽
He had pippen and grant. Then he had pippen Rodman and kukoc. That ain't nobody
lol well he didn’t win anything without all stars
@@xxJay20sxx I don’t think he would’ve went a whole career without… your talking about early 20’s
You're seriously comparing Mike to dirk🤭🤭🤭🤭
@@xxJay20sxx well actually, when they won the first championship pippen wasn’t an all-star and Rodman came after 3 championships. Just saying.
Anyone who watched basketball in the 90's already knew Pip didn't go back in the game. I was a school kid watching that game. No one needed the last dance for that info, so it makes no sense for Pip or Jordan detractors to be upset at Mike for having it in the last dance.
I'm glad that they didn't gloss over it. And I'm glad that they highlighted that Pippen had one foot out the door (ditto Phil Jackson) in '98, when Jordan carried that team. I watched all of those games - probably like you did - and Pippen was the BIG FADE in 4th (and 3rd) quarters as a scorer. There was never a moment where I thought "Thank God Pippen is there to bail out Jordan". There's some sweet revisionist history going on these days.
One thing we know for sure is Mike never won a chip without Pip, so oak you should save the noise because Mike had at least 5 years to do so and he never even sniffed a finals appearance, did he even make it out of the 1st round?
it always sounds like pip averaged like 24 and 9 when he came in and bulls got out the first round....lol mike averaged 35 and 6 and super pip 8 and 2 . so this thing of "oh mike never made it out the first round until pippen" , is just a meagre coincidence that cats who didnt witness it throw out. like clutching at straws. not sure his 8 and 2 with 3 boards and 1 steal average is what propelled them out the first round lol
@@el84oro that's cuz none of these idiots were alive back then to know what they're even talking about. The Bulls were trash when Mike got there.
@@el84oro he literally was the 8th leading scorer on the team lol like I think Scottie deserves credit but this argument that Scottie came to the bulls and propelled them to winning is laughable
Oakley actually said "Mike couldn't have won without Scottie", listen to it very carefully again. It's just that he mumbles a lot :)
It's no way Jordan wins 6 chips without Pip
Yeah he wins more with a better player, like Shaq or all the other better players then Pip.
You replace Pippen with Tracy McGrady, (which almost happens), the Bulls don’t win 6 chips? Please! Pippen averaged 17 points a game for his career. Dude is/was a role player! Period.
True idc what they say no Scottie no 6 rings
Jordan needed Pippen and Pippen needed Jordan. They don’t win 6 without each other.
Except pippen won a play off series without Jordan, jordan never won one without him.
Jordan could win without scottie. Just like how he win without rodman. Just like kobe won without shaq. Next.
No
Not 6
@@edwardnigma9037 who said 6. I said he could win. But could magic win 5 without kareem? Could bird win 3 without mchale? Fact is every single great player needs good players around them. Or in Lequeer's case....at least 2 handpicked superstars lol.
@@DeeCalz11 Jordan would win maybe 1 without pippen
@@edwardnigma9037 or maybe 3 we dont know. Nobody does.
@1:13 I think mike couldn’t have won without Scottie he said this many a times - fix the title unc
Jordan had his negative portrayal displayed as well. The trash talking his teammates and punching Kerr. The gambling before that big series they had. Just like Rodman had his negative light. Partying all night leaving the team having to be found to come play. It's just the issues scottie had were on the court and affected the team which were due to his own poor decisions. 1. Signing a bad contract and being stuck. 2. Not going in the game becasue he couldn't take the last shot. 3. Not having surgery during the summer and hurting his team to start the year (anger over his chuckie cheese contract)
Exactly
Charles Oakley should of been a Boondocks character.
Everyone seems to forget that Jordan formed Pippen into the player he became. He was NOT a great player his first few seasons in the league. He said it himself, "Mike forced me to get better..." (paraphrased)
Only Pippen could force himself to get better. Mike was definitely a motivator.
I’m a jordan fan but we all no Scottie was the heart of that team
I didn't know a man could instill so much fear into a man he refuses to see reason. Lmao he been Jordans personal butler for years 😂😂😂
fax oak
Maybe if you replace Scottie with another All-Star/All-NBA caliber player. I believe it’s possible, but he did win 6 championships with Scottie and Jordan knows how valuable his contributions were to their success.
Jordan was bound to win. He was too dominant and dedicated to craft. Winning six championships without at least a running mate is impossible and history has proven that time after time.
Michael could have won the championships without Scottie. Scottie Pippen was in Michael Jordan shadow the entire time he played on his team.
But he didn’t
There's no way Mike could have won six championships without Scottie
Real talk
@@thrizzle4105 facts 💯
I doubt it
Dirk Nowitzki led a team with no Allstars against 3 prime all stars and won a chip... just to put in context how great Dirk was.
& NOBODY thinks dirk is better than Lebron or D-Wade. Who cares
Child please
What if Dirk had bad shooting games, is he noticable ?
They had to lose
Dirk had a solid team, of vets and good players from starters to bench.
Hey Mr Shannon nice shoes!
As a fan of the BAD BOY Pistons - Jordan wouldn't have won 6 without our own BAD BOY Dennis Rodman or without Pippen.
Thats why he said Pippen and not Rodman
If that were the case- he would have before getting Scottie 🤷🏽♂️
Rodman is a bull. He wore bulls hat at 75th anniversary.
@@stephv6381 Nah son.... Rodman is a BAAAAAD BOOOOY Piston.
@Elisio Diggs He won when he finally got an all star caliber player lol
He pushed Dynasty Pistons with no all stars
At least he was drafted and built from scratch it ain’t like Scottie was a superstar already and mike ran and teamed up with him
Cap how come he didn’t without him then
No cap. Title is wrong. Oak said “couldn’t have won”
Jordan did not win a playoff series till pippen came.
Let’s keep it real. Jordan could’ve been great on any NBA team after the bulls. Do any of you remember much of Scottie after he left the bulls?
Scottie went to Portland after the bulls and they went to the western conference finals and almost got it but that Shaq and RIP Kobe duo was just a little too much. Jordan went to the wizards. Did they make it to the eastern conference finals????
@@johnlockhart3571 Scottie averaged 10 points in Portland…Jordan averaged 20 on the wizards, the trailblazers were a better team Scottie was mediocre at best after Jordan
@@dtcapone In the western conference finals Lakers vs Portland Scottie averaged 21 points 8 rebounds 8 assists
And that was old Scottie and Jordan never went to another finals game.
Scotty had a better career after the bulls then Michael Jordan did you must don't watch basketball
Title: Michael Could Have Won Without Scottie
Video: Michael Couldn't Have Won Without Scottie 1:12
Would've, could've, should've. The truth is he didn't.
The true is he got 6 rings and was huge part of the reason why.
@@LeathafaceTV lol i know he wasnt just a huge part but the biggest part. scottie for sure isnt winning a chip as the main guy
@1:14, Oakley said, "I think that Mike couldn't have won without Scottie." What's with this v8deo title? Shannon should know about the credit that Michael always extended to Scottie.
Charles is all over his place with his thoughts..much respect though!
Scottie was supposed to end his career with twenty something points per games. In the game he was unselfish for fame but not for the love of win and the game. Best duo!
Pippen was a jazzed up Robert Horry..Period....😂💯
🧢🧢🧢
Pippen's best season without Jordan = 59 wins. Jordan's best season without Pippen, 40 games...
Jordan still the 🐐 point blank period he revolutionized the games.
No he didn’t
Pippen was a bad dude. He’s supposed to believe his skills were better than Mike. Someone always shines, but why they are shining is often ignored. This is why “some” powerful men EVENTUALLY acknowledge the power of their wives…the person who shined the brightest behind the scene.
That's a LIE !!!!! He wasnt winning before, without Scottie...
if dirk could win without an all star, prime mike could have won without scottie. its not like mike asked them to trade for scottie....but mike and shawn kemp or mike and dumars or even mike and mutombo could have killed. scottie definitely not winning nothing as the main guy
Didn't want to rebound pass the ball or play defense... but he got all those 1st team all defense... and pippen was playing the number 1s...
One thing we know is Jordan DEFINITELY won 6 rings without Oakley. That guy knows nothing about what it takes to win a ring.
he didn't have the same team tho, players don't win alone
@@polpol1005 Exactly, and that is why Jordan needed Pippen. Looks like you prove my point.
@@ighsight I mean sure, it's a team sport, just like brady can't win alone in nfl
@@polpol1005 Which is why Oakley's comments don't make sense. Unless you look at it as jealousy because he and the rest of the Bulls were cleared out before Pippen and Grant came in and helped Jordan get to the next level of his career.
Dude more respectful to James Dolan who kicked him out MSG than Pippen for having an opinion on something that happened to him.
This cap but jordan only needed one all star to win not multiple and still has more than most other greats lol
But he had multiple
@@waynewarren7461 Ikr...lol..and they ended up in the Hall of fame.
@@waynewarren7461 the only All-star teammate Jordan had was Pippen. None of the other players were All-Stars when Jordan played with the Bulls.
@@atlien1988 rodman was all-star
@@waynewarren7461 "None of the other players were All-Stars when Jordan played with the Bulls". Was Rodman an allstars when he playing for the bulls? NO..
Pippen caused a lot of turmoil in 1994 besides the sit out. The last dance could have brought up how Pippen called the Chicago fans that had supported him all the years prior "racists." If anything, the Last Dance was VERY generous to Scottie Pippen. The only thing he ever led was a glorified prison riot in Portland. Terrible leader, terrible teammate.
He would of found a way…there would of been an other Scottie or other Scotties to support him
It takes the whole Team to win a championship, If Scottie was not drafted to the bulls in 87, However Horace Grant was drafted in 87 as well and as a (power forward) could he have (help) the team win a championship with Jordan or with another power forward. I believe the bulls could've. I believe Horace Grant stats would've been higher. Because Phil would've expected more from of him, and he was capable of producing it.
Charles still drinking the haterade 30yrs later after being traded away to the Knicks and the Bulls kept Scottie. 🤦
Yeah right, he’s a PF Scottie is a SF, you mean Horace Grant. He had a better career with Knicks, and they were great. Jordan is the only reason they didn’t win a 🏆 in 92,93
@@lastshallbefirst5516 Nope, because Scottie and Oakley were already beefing before the trade because of how Oakley treated Scottie as a rookie.
Not hard to figure out why a guy who call himself Shay Shay puts so much extra emotion on everything.
Wait didn’t Jordan win Defensive Player of the Year in 88???? What’s Jordan a 9 times All Defensive First Team??? Pippen’s definitely got something in the new Liquor he’s selling!!!!!
Jordan didn't make it out the first round until Pippen got there. GTFOH
@@tedwilliams185 Pippen was barely a starter the year they made it out the first round and was a bonafide role player.
@@atlien1988 What's your point?
@@tedwilliams185 no one’s denying that but Pippen said Jordan wouldn’t play defense so I was just stating facts. So ur response is super irrelevant to my comment
He needed Pippen to win those 6 rings
i'd say pippen needed him more. or rather bulls needed him more.
There is nobody in the history that has won a championship by themselves. When I saw the Last Dance I found out why Scottie signed his bad contract. I found out about his family (father/brother).The other stuff I already knew about that was already public. Shannon is reaching for clicks with the headlines.
Hakeem n dirk
@@sambo416 Hakeem had a good team bro and Dirk had a good team. They did a lot with their teams. But those are two guys that did a lot.
@@sambo416 did you watch those finals,they didn't win by themselves
W take
He wouldn't because Scotty Pippen was legitimately a perfect number 2.
1b... He was never #2. Up until that point in history, Scottie Pippen was the best defensive player in league history and before his time. Savagely Underrated... criminally
@@childoflight144 I wouldn't say the absolute best defensively, but a great defensive player. Hakeem Olajuwon was something else in the 90s.
@@childoflight144 never number 2 lmfao man y’all just be talking.. Jordan was just as great defensively btw and has a dpoy and avg more steals
@@childoflight144 Scottie wasn’t even the 2nd best player in the league at the time.
@@childoflight144 How you think Scottie got so good defensively? Jordan usually ran with the 2nd team and went at Scottie in practice. Playing against the no.1 offensive juggernaut the league have to offer. Scottie had no choice but to get good on defense while practicing against Jordan.
Yea Mike did say he was selfish when it came to that situation, but he also said the he would’ve never won a championship without Scottie Pippen
(STEPHEN A) BLASPHEMOUS !!!!! 🧢🤥🙄
Scottie had that defense that lead to offense yall tweaking saying he wasn’t like that. Rebounding to steals to fast breaks