Could Jordan win without Pippen ? How Good was Pippen ?
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
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Could Jordan win without Pippen is a question many people have discussions about these days. The subject of Jordan winning without Pippen always gets started while discussing The NBA Goat and who it is. How good was Pippen ? For the role he played on the Bulls he was perfect, but if You want to know if Jordan could win Titles without Pippen, my answer is a resounding YES.
Some people use the argument that Jordan won because the Bulls were such a great team. Pippen was the only other stand out player on the Bulls, but not a superstar. When MJ came to the Bulls he pushed that team mercilessly! MJ took average players and made them great. Jordan pushed everyone in practice, to the point of actual abuse! Phil Jackson wasn't the driving force. It was Jordan on and off the court!
Stop cappin
@@artfrancis9334he's right Jordan took a trash franchise an turned them into a dynasty
They just wanna downplay MJ's success using Pip to uplift Lebroom. They're desperate coz they know their LeFlop won't surpass the GOAT MJ. Simple as that.
@@erichdgoth8451 ur saying it's a paycheck attached to Pippens random MJ bashing makes sense considering prior to the last dance Scottie was speaking in totally different narrative
@@Jason5818UI that's a possibility.
Pippen is just the longest teammates of MJ. if there is no Pippen they just gonna pick the 3rd guy.
Facts. If there was no Pippen, they would just say the same of whomever was MJ's 2nd best player regardless of who it is.
@arnelsamson3023 Agreed. How is it that Horace Grant is somehow forgotten? Because the Bulls found other role players to make up for his production. Same would've been possible if Scottie was gone. In fact, the 1998 Finals show this (especially Games 5 & 6) to be the case when Kukoc stepped up as the offensive replacement.
The long and short is that Jerry hated the idea of keeping Phil on the team and convinced (other) Jerry to get rid of him. Despite Kraus’ need to be part of the conversation, he will only be remembered as the footnote that reads: “I selfishly decided to break up one of the best teams in NBA history because I thought I wanted more acknowledgement than I deserved”.
And to make matters worse, they won the last championship outta spite.
No one came to watch Pippen when Bulls were playing. It's Michael Jordan.
True
MJ the GOAT! Ever!
This narrative of Pippen being on the same level of Jordan is absolutely ludicrous. If anyone truly believes this, it just shows how uneducated someone is in the game of basketball.
Correct.
I remember in the Finals when Pippen had back problems and he was a walking traffic cone MJ carried the Bulls to victory. Also MJ leads the Bulls franchise in every statistical category. Pip also failed against the Pacers by missing clutch free throws. MJ is obviously going to score more but you have to give Scottie the 96 Finals. You have to take all stats not just scoring.
100% correct. Pippen could have been replaced. MJ .... NEVER
Scottie shot 39% FG in the 96 playoffs.. In the finals he shot 34% FG, he took 16.5 shots per game to average 15.7 ppg, that is terrible production.
Go back and watch that 96 finals. Scottie was trash on the offensive end.
@B LivesHere yes he was 😂 and I'm a die hard Bulls fan, his offense was always off and on and a lot of games were totally dependent on MJ
@@TheNBAGoat this is a stupid video. No pippen no 6 championships simple as that. Replace pippen with grant hill, sean Elliott, Glenn rice, or who ever you want their opponents would be scoring more because as Jordan would say pippen disrupts everything on defense. He's our defensive anchor."
Scottie became one of the best defender of the game because in practice he was always guarding MJ. 😂
Exactly. Pippen was who he was because of MJ...
I remember hearing a story of Mike torching Pippen in practice. He also torched him in a charity game when they were on opposite teams
@@TheNBAGoat SO MJ HELP KWAME ??
@@mtb4l673 RON HARPER JUST SAYS HE WON BILLION TIMES VS MJ ON PRACTICE I REMEMBER MJ ALSO PLAYED VS JUDD BUECHLER SO WHY HE DIDNT BECOME DEFENDER ?? I REMEMBER KWAME TOO WHY MJ DIDNT HELP HIM. BECAUSE PIPPEN IS BORN GOAT MJ DID NOTHING. PIPPEN DEVELOPING OTHER BECAUSE HE IS NOT SELFISH
@@TheNBAGoat JORDAN IS 1-9 PIPPEN 55 GAMES AND 6-5. MJ WILL BE WHO HE WAS JUST BRADLEY BEAL 1-9 WITHOUT PIPPEN
Can't we at least give Pippen to Jordan? Pip was one and only allstar teammate of MJ.
LBJ has a truckload of all-star teammates from Wade, Bosh, Earving, Love, DAVIS so on.
That is true. LBJ has had many more All Stars play with him.
@Ocean Lives
in 1995 : MJ retired and play baseball.
In 1996 : MJ still out of shape after returning to basketball, they were eliminated in 2nd round (not 1st round) by Shaq and Orlando magic.
In 1997, it was actually the perfect moment for the NBA dream final between Michael Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwon, where Hakeem had two other All-Stars on his team, Drexler and Barkley. Unfortunately, this time Hakeem failed to reach the finals, stopped by John Stockton's clutch three-pointer in the deciding game. The matchup between Jordan and Olajuwon in the finals remains one of the most intriguing "what if" scenarios in the history of the NBA.
@@Jadulinchannel you got 95 and 96 wrong. 95 they lost to the magic, 96 they won the championship.
@@Jadulinchannel 93 actually when his pops was murdered
@@TheNBAGoat LOVE AND IRVING ARE NOT 75 GOAT. PIPPEN AND RODMAN ARE. ITS OK DERANGED U CANT DENY MY FACTS. BECAUSE I AM TOO SMART.
Was Pippen important to the championships? Yes
Was he as important as LeBron lovers and those that use their arguments make him out to be? No.
Very true...
Was he as important as Jordan says he was? Yes
@@MikeHawk-yg3gk thank you for stating the bleeding obvious
@@Sf75178 all of the sudden it's "the bleeding obvious"
@@MikeHawk-yg3gk you are repeating the first part of my comment
Pippen couldn't win without Jordan's leadership. Pippen went to Houston with Ahkeem and Charles, then Portland, No JORDAN NO STABILITY
That is an AWESOME observation. I didnt even think about that. Goid one brother. Thanl You for the comment. Hope you subbed.
@@TheNBAGoatPortland got cheated by the refs. That dirty NBA ref admitted he rigged that series against LA
@@pjmccoy9682 pippen choked that 4th quarter with bad 3s. They had a 15 point 4th quarter lead. That is a choke job. If Portland scored 20 points in the 4th the lakers would have needed 35+ to win. That is choke job
@killablackmambakbm7593 ref still got convicted of throwing games, and that's one of them he admitted to the feds. So yeah it was still rigged
@@killablackmambakbm7593 I've always blamed pippen, Wallace and Steve Smith for that lost. But also credit Shaq, horry, shaw and especially Kobe for that comeback and also Lakers defense and again especially Kobe.
if Barkley , Rodman and Kerr is with MJ they can still win the champ with out pippen
100%
@@TheNBAGoat NOPE DERANGED BECAUSE BARKLEY HAD CHAMPIONS ROCKETS OLAJUWON DREXLER WHO WON RING BUT HE SABOTAGE THEM. IF U PUT BRADLEY BEAL NEAR PIPPEN HE WILL WIN 10 RINGS. BEACAUSE BEAL AVERAGE 36 PPG ON BETTER FG% AND 3%
Jerry was going to trade Scottie for McGrady, but mike went to Jerry and asked them not to.
Because MJ understands how much time, effort and energy it takes to develop someone. Plus the fact that he's not getting any younger, he'd rather settle with what he already has. Guess he felt they could still compete despite the injuries. He was right.
Correct. Damn. McGrady would have probably been even better.
Pippen was gonna be traded a few times and Jordan stepped in
@@TheNBAGoat MIKE ALSO SAID WE DONT WANT KUKOC BUT JERRY DID. IF U THINK MJ CANCEL THAT TRADE U MUST BE DERANGED. SELFISH PPL NOT CARES BOUT OTHERS. PUIPPEN CARES CAUSE HE IS TEAM PLAYER.
@@PIP...33 It is actually funny now. I really hope you are not trolling and are really this terrible at judging basketball.
It's sad that some fools need facts like these. Scottie was never as valuable as Air Jordan.
These 2 players were like brothers
Yes until Jordans son started dating Pippens wife... lol
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Good video, this was not news to me as a 30+ years Bulls fan I know how important MJ was.
I wouldn't say Pippen was unimportant, in terms of stats there are many other players in his same position able to average the same as Scottie, what I will say is that basketball is not just ppg, rpg, apg or fg% and ft% it's also chemistry, so even if on paper Scottie could be replaced by another equal player, we don't know how many other players could thrive and sustain MJ's charachter as Scottie did and as a matter of fact MJ said Scottie was his best teammate ever for a reason.
But from this to say that Scottie was as good as MJ as a player, no he wasn't, his efficiency on the offensive side of the floor was not even close to MJ's and by watching at least the finals (but also games during the regular and post seasons) it's pretty obvious most of the times MJ was the focal point and much fewer times Scottie was "the man" who saved the day!
Scottie was a great defender, in 1991 finals for instance MJ was struggling against Magic, and Scottie was much more suited for that task, but again MJ never said the opposite, this is my problem I have with Scottie as a Bulls fan: MJ never slighted Scottie in public he recognized his importance all the time, so us fans are pretty upset as Scottie instead dealing with the fact he was the obvious number two, he want to make people believe MJ was a kind of basketball figurette and the actual hero of the 6 championships was him!!!
Switch the top 10 small forwards year by year with pippen and jordan still gettin rings
Yes, exactly what Im thinking as well.
0:07 well said. Frankly if Grant Hill were drafted instead of Pippen in 1987, MJ would have 9 rings instead of 6.
Hill was a crazy great player. Too bad he got injured would have been a much better career.
Great video. Keep them coming!!!
Thank You so much.
Pippen was great on defense and in his prime probably slightly better defensively than Jordan. That's where the Jordan Pippen comparisons stop though. Offensively MJ was multiple tiers better than Pippen. Hell MJ on the Wizzards before he got injured was still better than prime Pippen Offensively.
WRONG DERANGED BECAUSE PIPPEN IS ALSO PLAYMAKER...THATS WHEN YOUR KNOWLEDGE STOPS
Pippen handled the bal more but he wasn't a better passer@@PIP...33
@@jasonturner6459 YEAH DERANGED THATS WHTY JERRY STACKHOUSE BEST SCORER IN NBA FROM 30 PPG FELL ON 19 POINTS NEAR JORDAN. CAUSE SELFISH MJ CANT PLAY ANYTHING ELSE BESIDE PILING UP 1 STAT
Jordan wins six titles with any other All Star. Correction: Jordan wins six titles with any group of solid role players. Here are seven players that pose reasonable comparisons to Pippen as Jordan's second option, with each of which Jordan could've had a realistic chance at winnin' six titles.
The first six players come from a simple lateral analysis: Pippen's draft class. Reggie Miller, Kevin Johnson, Mark Jackson, Kenny Smith, and Muggsy Bogues all went after Pippen in the '87 Draft, with David Robinson as the #1 pick overall. To get the low hangin' fruit outta the way, I'm bettin' Jordan wins six with Robinson, Miller, or Johnson. Also, I'd take either of those three over Pippen in general, let alone paired up with and mentored by Jordan.
That leaves Jackson, Smith, Muggsy, and a woppin' sole All Star appearance between the three of 'em. Still, they were each great PG's who could give you solid outside shootin' and - save for Muggsy's size liability - reliable perimeter defense. I'd put each of these doods right there on Pippen's level in general, and there's nothin' about either of them that makes me go, "nah, no way Jordan wins six with this guy.."
The "dark matter" factor here is Jordan's mentorship, which is the literal reason any of us even know Pippen's name as readily as we do. It goes directly against mainstream basketball narratives, but Jordan brought the best out of his teammates in profound ways, and none more so than Pippen. Keep in mind: Batman wasn't simply better than Robin, nor was he merely Robin's commander - Batman literally made Robin. In other words, this ain't a comparison between Pippen and these other six players; this is an analysis of how well these players would've done had they been in Pippen's fortunate position. Put more vividly: this is an analysis of how much of a star Jordan could've made out of these six players. Off top, they each turned out to be either nearly as good, just as good, or better than Pippen, despite Pippen havin' the hugest advantage of them all: live and direct mentorship from the greatest player of all time! Imagine David Robinson evolvin' as a defender by guardin' Jordan in practice everyday. Imagine Reggie Miller playin' Klay Thompson to Jordan's Steph Curry and them both goin' off like the midrange version of the Splash Brothers. Think of the kind of facilitator KJ, Mark Jackson, Kenny Smith, and Muggsy Bogues could've been known for had either of them run an offense with Jordan as an offensive option. These were skills that Pippen harnessed from trainin' with and bein' mentored by Jordan, and they were the skills that made him into the great player he broke out into. Those other six players in Pippen's draft class, however, each became at least reasonably comparable to Pippen without the impact of Jordan's mentorship, which easily makes it a reasonable assumption that Jordan could've won six titles with either of them.
The last name I'd add to this list is Charles Oakley, who was traded to the Knicks right before Pippen started breakin' out as a solid role player with star potential. Maybe Pippen's a tier above Oakley; maybe they're on the same level and Pippen has an edge; maybe Oakley's just as effective a role player as Pippen, but he got traded before he had the opportunity to prove it in the Finals as Jordan's second option; maybe Oakley's development and career would've benefitted more from Jordan's mentorship than Pippen's - who knows. Regardless of which outranks the other, if Jordan can win six with Pippen puttin' up less than twenty a game for four of those titles, then I don't see why he couldn't have won six with Oakley's perennial double doubles. Beyond this, the consequence of Oakley's trade doubles down on Jordan's mentorship skills, as Oakley's absence created a void on the squad that would later be filled by Pippen, and Jordan played a direct and fundamental role in ensurin' that Pippen was able to fill that void.
The short answer is hell yea Jordan could've won six titles with any other All Star. Given that it took the mentorship of the greatest player of all time for Pippen's potential to become what it did, however, there's no reason to assume that Pippen would've ever become the Pippen we know and revere today, let alone ever won any titles. In fact, it's a fair argument that Pippen might not've even been on the level of Grant - a four time champion who won a title without Jordan - or maybe even Armstrong - a three time champion who, like Pippen, never made it to the Finals without Jordan - were it not for Jordan's mentorship and investment. Meanwhile, Jordan - as clearly seen from the transition from Oakley to Pippen - would've forged the All Star[s] he needed out of any decent player with the potential to contribute to a championship squad.
"I don't know why you guys discuss the GOAT. Why you guys discuss the GOAT? 🤔"
-The Worm
Hypotheticals don’t count as facts no matter how much u want them too 😂
Scottie was so great at being #2 he looks like a number 1 . Scottie was great but could be broken. That’s why Phil went to Tony that game
Pippen was mentally fragile.
The "ONLY" thing that Scotty proved is that he could NOT win without M.J....
Thats true
And Jordan never passed the 1-9 b4 Pippen, he tried with the wizards and said I’m taking that team to the playoffs in a heart beat, and couldn’t win 40 games that season and with out Scottie Pippen Jordan never had 40 wins in a season no even once
@@DeMota23 Jordan got beat by a 59 win Bucks team that had Cummings and Moncrief. He got beat by a Celtics team that had 5 HOFers on it. You really expect him to win that type of matchup when his next best player is a post prime Gervin. Nah, come on now. After Pip, Jordan had the wizards who had 19 wins the previous year in the 4th/5th seed before he hurt his knee. Learn some facts before spouting off.
Any with brain knows Pip never was on MJ's level and it's not about being a MJ fan this shyt is common sense
Lots of people are missing common sense these days
No one is saying Pippin is on MJ level we are saying that MJ never won anything before or after he played with scotty Pippin and that's the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and you are no one else can prove that isn't the truth.
Funny how yo comment got avoided
Just like pippin making it to the conference finals without Jordan and Jordan couldn't make it out the first round (got swept) without pippin
@@maniack_mack0075 Rookie season he played with Coke addicts. Season 2 injured. Season 3 got beat by the eventual champs who had 5 HOF'ers on that team. Year 4 wins in playoffs without Scottie (7 measly ppg from Scottie). Looses to Bad Boy Pistons, again, who have multiple HOFers. After Scottie, at 38 he took an absolutely loaded Wizards team who had won 19, yes, 19 games the year before into the 4th/5th seed before he hurt his knee. What else should he have been able to do. Please, explain?
Trade pip for either grant hill, Robert horry, penny, and Jordan would still win chips
lol not Horry.
And trade Mj for any of those players and Pippen still wouldnt win. You need to be that alpha and takeover guy for you to be a winner and Pippen wasnt that he was a great robin thats it..
Idk about Horry. But hey, maybe...
Exactly friend
@@TheNBAGoat y’all better go watch his mixtape lol horry was nice. I’m not talkin big shot Bob. He was soft in them early years tho lol
Here are the facts. Pippen was never good enough to be the star player on a team. He was a great wingman because he could finish well when another player drew most of the defense. He did not have the ability to create his own shot. He was an elite role player. That's just the truth. I loved Pippen. Loved all the bulls except Longley lol like him now tho.
4:48. The other thing to keep in mind is that all these stats is with MJ getting the lion share of double teams. In other words, MJ was more productive than Pippen despite getting double and triple teamed while Pippen wasnt. Add to that Pippen just like Lebron chokes in the clutch, which is why Kukoc took that shot not Pippen.
Yeah true with Kukoc. I remember Pippen childish behaviour in that moment
More scorer than Pippen that’s all
The Bulls were struggling during the 1994-95 before MJ' return. Maybe Grant was just as important as Pippen?
Scottie Pippen has better career numbers than Jordan in every category except points. And they never won without each other or changed teams.
I'm seeing a similarity between Pippen and LeBron here when it comes to comparing either of them with MJ... rebounds, assists and turnovers...
Im suprised, NOT even close on D right ? James is just NOT that guy.
@@TheNBAGoat yeah I would never put LeBron in the same conversation as Pippen in Defense.
THIS IS LAUGHABLE ANYBODY FROM THEM TIMES KNOW THAT HE WAS ROBIN HE NEVER BEEN BATMAN SUPERMAN SPIDER-MAN OR ANY OTHER MAN WHAT HE DO WITH ROCKETS AND PORTLAND GTFOH
When you look at the stats in video you can see he was a replacable piece... MJ was not.
Nobody says pippen is better than jordan but all around player if u say jordan then u need a therophy
Jordan vs pippen.
Scorer jordan
Rebounder pippen
Assists pippen
Steals pippen
Blocks jordan
Physically both r dunkers
We want proofs not Everything in mythology
When jordan retired 1st time
Pippen bulls team 55-27 regular season record conference finals loss.u know jordan fans When team main player leaves team then team destroyed,but bulls team 1st year conference finals happening then jordan added.so without pippen jordan bulls always failed team.then added one of the greatest Rebounder plus defender Dennis rodman then added steve kerr 45.4 3point shooter statically he is the greatest 3 point shooter
Means jordan pippen rodman steve kerr this team is superteam without jordan becuase scottie pippen is too much defender plus dennis rodman plus jordan 3 defenders in one team.bulls team is superteam like 2015 16 17 18 warriors.
Kevin durant jordan
Steph curry scottie pippen
Draymond Green dennis rodman
Klay Thompson steve kerr
Andre igoudala
Warriors vs bulls matchup
90s player not today level game so i give one opertunity for bulls team
Warriors 2 point shot not allowed
Then steph curry 13×3 39 points
Klay Thompson 12×3 36 points
Kevin durant 11 × 3 33 points
They all r above 40 % 3 point shooters their career.combined points 108 plus Andre igoudala 20 Draymond Green 10 score 138.
Jordan 35 points less 50% FG .
Scottie pippen 20.steve kerr 20.dennis rodman 10.any other bulls player 15.total score 100 points.
Warriors team 138
Bulls team 100 congrats bulls team good effort.even bulls played 100 matches with warriors but 000 wins.
If you want proof watch the whole video... lol. There is sooooo much hard proof its crazy.
Well explained
Thank You.
Black Jesus was Gladys' knight while Scottie was one of the Pips. It was MJ that created that hardwood heathen. Pippen just wasn't that good coming up. He wasn't even recruited out of high-school. Zero scholarship offers. He walked on to some little unknown University in Arkansas as an equipment mgr./player. His main duty was to keep the gym tidy. The only reason he played as a freshman was because a few players quit the team.
As a rookie, while he was being slapped around by Charles' oak tree size hands, he couldn't beat out that cadaver (Sellers) for starting small-forward spot. But after a couple of years under Air Jordan's wings he became a defensive beast. Larry said it best in his book Bird Watching "it was MJ that made Pippen a great player. Scottie played at his best alongside Jordan but that didn't work vice versa because Pip without MJ wouldn't have been that lethal."
Don't forget - when Pippen was a rookie coming off the bench averaging 7 ppg Jordan was winning MVP and DPOY. And as soon as MJ had his first and only prime All-Star, which Scottie became, it was a wrap like when Shaq told RZA he didn't need no hook not only to rap but when he attacked rims while in low-post combat.
Pippen was Pippen BECAUSE of Michaels impact.
@@TheNBAGoat It's obvious. And those that can't see it are in dire need of Lasik.
as I understand after watching the Last Dance, Pip was threatened that the team is doing very well without him during the last final run. he has to go back or he would be kicked out
I UNDERSTAND PIPPEN NEVER QUIT ON TEAM OR RETIRED OR LOAD MANAGED 400 GAMES LIKE MJ.
@@PIP...33 what i am saying is the team is going well even without him. the threat of being traded is there if he would still not play
@@tendousouji14344 PIPPEN IS MEGA SUPERSTAR, AND ITS NOT BECAUSE OF MJ HE IS BORN TO BE GREAT. PERFECT 2 WAY ALL AROUND TEAM PLAYER LIKE KARNETT OLAJUWON. MJ IS JUST BRADLEY BEAL WITH BAD SHOOT BUT BETTER VERT.
Wow nice video I didn't know about that, I'm your new Sub 😊
Awesome thank you!
Jordan's apg for 1991 was 11.4, not 8.4 vs Lakers in the Finals.
Mj avg 41.0 ppg in 1993, not 35.1
are these RS stats you putting up boss?
The stats are for whole play-off tun not just the finals
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Stop it! Nobody knew how Pippen would turn out! It took him 4 years to become what he became!
I dont think you watched the video. Pippen was not even close to being as good as Jordan. No way. Jordan helped Pippen become very good. Jordan was AMAZING before Pippen even showed up.
Yes Jordan was amazing but he still couldn’t win a ring until Pippen showed up Simple and plain
@@tonystevens5539 you could replace Pippen but NOT Jordan
@@TheNBAGoat MJ molded Pippen into the player he became. Jordan helped him evolve his rudimentary skills and really helped him with his mental fortitude. Mentally Scottie used to be soft as Vagisil ointment. He owes everything to Mike. If it wasn't for Black Jesus' insane work ethic there is no way Pip is one of the 75 greatest ballers.
@@tonystevens5539 Bulls couldn't win championship till the team was good enough. It is just that simple
No one says Pippen is better than Jordan. This video is unnecessary
I literally said people say pippen is also as good as MJ and Pippen says that as well. You wouldnt say its unnecessary if you focused more than half the message sir
I saw the video. I know it’s common knowledge that MJ is a better player
Yes they do. I’m in whole Facebook groups where they’re saying this
People insinuate it these days. They make it seem like he was more valuable to MJ winning than MJ was to Pippen winning. It’s like people have never watched the old games are just haven’t paid any attention. The real reason these people are doing it, now, is to deflect the focus off of LeBron’s recent failure in the playoffs.
@@life0093 you haven't met hardcore lebron fanboys?
Sooooo we’re just gonna ignore the fact that MJ didn’t have to guard the opposing team’s best player every night once Scottie arrived? Aight 😂
More than A few teams had more than 1 good elite wing player. Mj guarded magic in the 91 finals every game outside of game 2. Mj guarded the best player plenty
MJ didnt guard opposing best players ? Hahahaha. You need to educate yourself my friend.
Atleast, Jordan really make things happened. Same logic goes to LeChoke as he rest on the opposite side (defensive) so He can have the energy to contribute on the offensive end...
...BUT CAN'T DELIVER!
So AD was the best on defense and offense so I guess he is better then Lebron weirdo
False narrative that’s been debunked. First, mj was top 3 in steals each year, not Scottie. Mj led the league in steals 3 times, not Scottie. Mj was top 10 in blocks as a sg in an era that was dominated by true big men, not Scottie. Mj was 9 time all nba defensive first team, not Scottie. Mj guarded the opponents best player a higher percentage than Scottie pippen , I forget the actual numbers , but there’s a video on it. It’s a lot to ask to be your teams best scorer and defender. Especially if u have another star alongside u and your the leading scorer. Like , what are they even there for ?
People will never understand that MJ acted how he was raised he was basically his Father.
He was so competitive to the point of obsession and its what made him the player he was.
Thats something you font see alot of today. Pippen was the perfect compliment to MJ he wasnt super aggressive and passive enough to not encroach on MJs ego.
Remember were talking about GROWN MEN not high school teens at ANY moment anyone of those players could have hauled off and Popped Mike in the mouth. Evidently he did it to Kerr..
Further all these young folks who wanna say nothing happens without Pippen are just feeding a narrative theyve been given to coddle themselves into the LeBron GOAT narratives.
Just like they believe that WINNING isnt what these players play for. How about ask ANY Clippers player!
Yes. True.
Jordan couldn't have won titles without Pippen just like Bird couldn't have won them without McHale, Johnson and Parish. Just like Magic couldn't have won them without Kareem and Worthy. Just like Kobe couldn't have won them without Shaq and Gasol. I could go on and on and on. It's a REALLY stupid argument for anything. Anybody who ever won a championship in any team sport had to have some help.
Just like Bron couldnt win without Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, Love etc... Correct ?
Yes, but the point was, give Jordan any decent 2nd option and he still wins. It didn't have to be Pippen.
great video
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Sad video, missing context
You criticize, you say missing context but dont say whats missing... ok... lol
Facts this video so one sided meat sucking.. left out the truth just to suck some meat
It's almost like you guys don't remember the scotty rules were the legendary back game
MJ could fill the shoes of Pippen. However, can they do what they have done if Pippen was the primary scorer.??? Pippen complimented MJ, and by virtue of position played, Pippen obviously should have an edge in some stats, thats just how a good team basketball is played.
Scottie had everything but a consistent Jimmie, but it wasn't broken, and he wasnt afraid to shoot it ( Lebron James) and he knew that!
Lebron ain't scared. He is just not selfish
Very nice perspective and thanks for doing this. I think there ought to be another potentially significant stat. As you said, other teams built their defensive strategy to guard against Jordan - not Pippen. The obvious implication most of us are aware of is that opposing teams seemed to put their best defensive players against Jordan - not Pippen. Not to mention that opposing teams also double and even triple-team Jordan - not Pippen. That's gotta' be worth at least a thousand more points in Jordan's favor - not Pippen's. I'm always impressed with Pippen's talents. But Jordan is in his own league.
With all that Jordan accomplished on and off the court, there has to be some genius going on with him. It's kinda like he was connecting some serious dots both on and off the court. Like no other. A true artist who knew how to perform some serious due diligence to most every aspect of his life perhaps?
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@@TheNBAGoat You got it. I'm now subscribed. Thanks for your kind words but I don't know jack about basketball. But I like to think I've a pretty good idea of the sheer entertainment and artisry Jordan delivers like no other. Hard to pick his greatest ability cuz they're all so outstanding. But I'm kinda' fond of the times when MJ decides he's gonna run through the entire opposing team like a frickin' freight train straight to the basket and members of the opposing team can be seen shrinking up into the fetal position. Just incredible entertainment. And in the end, that's what it's all about, right?
Righty, Scottie was important, but no more important than a 2nd option on other great teams, and less important than many other 2nd options. He was "replaceable," but it would not have been ideal to do that.
20 -8-6 per is great with a scoring machine as your number 1.
To all you "Jordan never did anything without Pippen" people. Please read, and respond. Jordans rookie year they lost to the Bucks, but were not expected to win. That was a 59 win Bucks team that had Moncrief and Cummings. Jordan had no one with him. Look at that roster, trash. Second season and third he got beat by a Celtics team that had 5 HOFers on it and was in the mists of one of the greatest championship runs up until that point. You really expect him to win that type of matchup when his next best player is a post prime Gervin. Nah, come on now. His 4h season they beat the Cavs in round one and lost to the Bad Boy Pistons, who again had multiple HOFers on it. Pip had 10 pts, 5 rebs, and 2.4 assists. Sure, Pip was the difference maker in that series. After Pip, a 38 yr old Jordan came out of retirement to join the stacked Wizards team that had only lost 19 times the year before, wait, oh, they only had 19 WINS the year before, and he had them at around 26-21 and 4th in the playoff race before he hurt his knee. What else was he supposed to do in those situations? Learn some facts before spouting off.
Michael can't fill Pippen's shoes because Michael will always wanted to be a ball hog and not willing to sacrifice his spotlight for other teammates. In order to created the real logic you must look at the first 4 years of Michael without Pippen and the last 2 years without Pippen. Then take a look at Pippen a year without Jordan. Yeah now you know it's easy to remove Jordan from the Bulls and replace with another shooter like McGrady, I can guarantee the Bulls would still win another ring without Jordan. Based on history Jordan would not have won a ring without Pippen. Jordan was still struggled to lead the Bulls to the finals when Pippen joined the team in 1987, it wasn't until Pippen became a full starter when the Bulls would finally made a run. Yeah it was Pippen who helped Jordan to became a player he is by sacrificed his spotlight to make Jordan a standout on the team and the league for that matter.
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That comment is just ..... Smh...
Did you actually watch the video. The numbers were close and you are calling Jordan a ball hog. Riiiight
Facts
@@TheNBAGoat nigga you keep avoiding the truth to make yo video seem true the real world knows Jordan wasn't much better Jordan didnt have success without pippin pippin had success without Jordan
And even if you minus that 510 points from Jordan overall points to add to Pippen's, Jordan would still beat him😅
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I was gonna say that. You could have given Scottie 3 pts for each of them and he would still be behind.
You confused Jordan stats didn't work without pippen. But pippen stats worked without Jordan. Jordan stats got him swept in the first round ave. 43 points no wins. Pippen beat teams in the playoffs without Jordan because he understands the game. He understood shoot attemps brings more points. But getting your teammates to play on a high level makes it easy to win.
Pippen beat exactly one super banged up team as the main guy in a conference that had no celtics or pistons
no 6 times championship chicago without pipen.agree 100 percent
Just like Bron if he didnt have either Wade, Irving or AD he would NEVER even had 1 title
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The host sounds like Tim Grover lol. I grew up in my teens and 20s watching the Bulls during the pre to post MJ era when. To be objective, I’m going to say that Scottie Pippin has a point-I think MJ was by far the most marketable athlete ever and MJ fit that role. On the other hand, Scottie Pippin made more money from an NBA salary and it wasn’t much compared to the work that they put in. Also, MJs competitive nature is unparalleled and coupled with the grace within his skills, you can’t compare ANY player to MJ-Bryant is not even a close imitation. What most people can’t realize is the growth of MJs skills and the ability to adapt to any given situation. I don’t believe he was a steroid user or point shaver, and as a side note, I think that lead to his father’s demise. Scottie Pippin is an official Freemason: he, Shaq and many others belong to the same order, but perhaps different chapter. MJ is an Omega Psi Phi, but I don’t know if they are Freemasons or in that type of Masonic order. What’s interesting speculation is that it’s rumored that Scottie Pippin was not sympathetic to MJs father’s death, like didn’t call him for his loss. I’m not accusing Scottie or MJ (sacrifice rumors), but it’s strange. MJ was /is the completely proven player-not to say that Pippin wasn’t great, but I didn’t see Pippin as a Night In Night Out closer. He was also injury prone, another major factor. As far as credit is concerned, MJ stayed giving him credit! Jordan always referred to his tenacity on both ends of the court and his ability to power dunk with his off-hand. So, perhaps it’s a publicity stunt…
None of you Jordan fanboys can answer why didn’t Jordan win 1, just 1, playoff series without Pippen? 😂😂 The Goat couldn’t get 1
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Cuz Pip knew he could not win a title without MJ so just he just piggy backed hence cannot get rid of him. 😂
Honestly, Jordan NEVER had a winning season without Pippen on his team. His first three seasons were under .500. The East was so butt, that 84 and 85, six teams made the playoffs under .500. In 1986, the Bulls were the only sub .500 team to slide in. Pippen must have been a leprechaun 'cause when they traded Polynice for him, the their luck changed. Don't tell me Granville Waiters was the key to the turnaround lol.
Hmm, and when Jordan retired the first time leaving the magnificent Scottie Pippen to take the reigns? Nada, Nothing, Zero championships...Jordan comes back, what happened?
Although i agree with Pip in the fact that in ever era the NBA needed a face, it's a business after all...Once it was Magic Johnson, then Jordan became the face of the NBA, now it's Lebron...or at least he's a blurry weepy face...
Sigh then we can go to the masonic side of things (given that the inventor of basketball was a mason...And there are a lot of masons connected to the NBA and mainstream sports in general)...We all know what the Masons telltale number is, right? 33...Jordan wins 3 championship, there is a potential sacrifice of a family member, he comes back and wins 3 again...33 *shrugs* ....They always hide sht in plain sight because most won't see it, too emotionally involved in the spectacle...
His first three seasons were with cocaine addicts as teammates... Lol
1984 season East had 2 teams under .500 and West had 2 teams in the play-offs
1985 season East had 3 teams under .500 and West had 3 teams in the play-offs.
Not only did you lie about number of teams but it was both conferences because of the number of teams in the league.
If you don't know history and don't want to research then don't comment
@@StennMathis hmm when Jordan left the team and pippin took over he made it to the Conference Finals in lost against Shaq..Jordan NEVER made it that far without pippin
@@maniack_mack0075 Can you not read? Jordan got beat by a 59 win Bucks team that had Cummings and Moncrief. He got beat by a Celtics team that had 5 HOFers on it. You really expect him to win that type of matchup when his next best player is a post prime Gervin. Nah, come on now. After Pip, Jordan had the wizards who had 19 wins the previous year in the 4th/5th seed before he hurt his knee. Learn some facts before spouting off.J
That’s why MJ got all 6 finals mvps Scottie delusional
Cant really compare the stats of the playoff runs when mj was a primary scorer for the team THE TEAM PLAYED AROUND HIM because the bulls tactics he was chose to be the main guy for the Team pippen never tried to be the number 1 on the team
Why didn't Jordan win the title without Pippen?????... We're not talking about production and numbers because we all know when it comes to basketball there are nuances to the game to wear stats don't matter and that's what Scottie Pippen was
Because he played two full seasons as a Bulls without Pippen on a provety franchise. Then he played two yrs as an injured 38-40 yr old on a provety franchise, very simple.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Jordan ain't got Jack without Pippen
@jasonsmall3809 Jordan played the majority of his career with Pippen. Jordan was already being called the best player in the league by his peers before Pippen was drafted, let alone good. Pippen was replaceable
If James never had Wade, Irving or AD he would never even have won a single title... ZERO
That's why money is a 6time finals Mvp
Right on friend
People act like these numbers and games can't be looked at. Scottie is sad.
Most of those people think LBJ is better.
MJ could not win without Pippen as a team I going by watching them play
Pippen you could substitute with another player, MJ you could not.
@@TheNBAGoat no because MJ said he wouldn't play for the bulls without Pippen
The plays were set up for Jordan to score more. Everyone knows Jordan always had the ball
And all the teams knew that didnt they ? And he still scored at a 50% clip... And still won 6 titles in less than LBJ...
No shit. Because he was the best scorer in the game. You gonna give your second or third best option more shots than your best option. Hell no.
All this talk ..... when MJ retired Pippen got his chance to lead the Bulls and failed.... so he was nowhere near as good so his arguement are null and void
MJ contributed anywhere from 28%-40% of the points in each Finals win.
1991: Jordan 120/416 pts (28.8%) in wins. (30.0 ppg)
1992: Jordan 144/432 pts (33.3%) in wins. (36.0 ppg)
1993: Jordan 161/421 pts (38.2%) in wins. (40.25 ppg)
1996: Jordan 115/394 pts (29.2%) in wins. (28.75 ppg)
1997: Jordan 146/361 pts (40.4%) in wins (36.5 ppg)
1998: Jordan 140/362 pts (38.7%) in wins (35.0 ppg)
No way to replace that volume of scoring output.
Your stats on the Phoenix series is wrong. Jordan averaged over 40 ppg that series
Its not stats from FINALS. Its whole playoff runs brother.
Actually its 41ppg he averaged in the 1993 finals not 40. Please don't take this as an offense but I thought you had it undervalued too... I think maybe why is because you list games played at time , and that total is for the finals only implying your tallying the stats for just that series but you did state in your narration it was total playoffs stats... so its kind of misleading and confusing in that regard if you understand what I'm trying to say. Hope I'm making sense... if its total playoffs stats you should include the total playoffs games not just the amount of finals games at the top... I believe that's whats causing the confusion...anyway just my 2 cents. Great video... MJ is the GOAT...hands down, Bulls fan since the early 80's.I watched them. Pippen made a great robin though...
Yes Jordan would of made another player great. As Scottie is showing he isn't mentally strong. MJ had to push him to become strong. Scottie naturally regressed back mentally to the man that sat out because of a headache, or the guy that got mad because Toni was given a last shot opportunity. He is a mentally weak individual without motivational people in his life . He disrespects the people that have pushed him life like MJ, and Phil more than anyone. He's naturally a quitter. He would of been average at best anywhere where he was left to his own devices
😂 Your argument will only favor Jordan, because you left out how many times Jordan touched the basketball vs Pippen and how many times Jordan put up shots vs Pippen. Jordan was set up to be a standout of the Bulls or league, so majority of the plays go to Jordan. When a player has that many possessions, they will always have the advantage over other teammates on scoring, and assists. So MJ's points are misleading and his assists. Now let's take at FGA and minutes played.
😂 almost like ones a shooting guard and the other is a forward
spoken like a true keyboard stan whose never played any organized form of basketball with understanding of offenses and positions.
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That is why he included percentages. Or do you not understand math either?
I mean. Without either they wouldn't have won 6 for sure. Both extremely important for the team and both had different roles. Scottie was the glue and Mike was the gun. I'm sure Scottie just meant that he was no less important for the dynasty as mj but yeah for sure he is nowhere near the player mj is. He just said some stupid shit to sell a book. Understandable and it wouldn't surprise me if mj agreed to it as scottie was so under paid for all them years. Idk
My point is. Why did Scottie say he was as good when he wasnt even close ? There were options ypu could replace Scottie with and still win. You were not able to do that with Mike.
@@TheNBAGoat I get your point and maybe you're right. We will never know but I do only think scottie did it for publicity for his book. He knows he is no Jordan and up until the book always admitted that
Good job but theres nothing to prove. I just watched the 1988 Playoff series vs Cavs, the one where MJ set a record for back to back point playoff games, and Scottie did nothing in that series and wasnt even on the court to finish games. Horace Grant was. People forget Grant was better than Scottie from 1987 to about 1989 - and I would even argue up to 1995.
EDIT: By the way Lebron blowhards, the Bulls won that series.
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( this its Just opinión ) scottie pippen need it as much of Michael jordán as he need him you guys remember they won three nba titles m.j went to play baseball he wanted to complished his father dream to see him play baseball and bulls where struggling to even make it into the playoffs when m.j came back it was a differrent story they won another three titles so who need it who
Pip dont blame for your mistakes man be a man man
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Yes and maybe would’ve won more. If Krause selected another player other than Scottie. Jordan would’ve molded that player into a great as well. Imagine a player mentored by Jordan, without the contract mistake to bring envy in, that player would probably be the first Kobe. Scotties contract started the bitterness within. Than that led to other problems with envy. I mean Pippen BARELY averaged more pts than his height at with Michael not even a point, asts and rebs barely rising up. The ONLY factor that Pippen had that year was leading his team in all categories. And if you think his averages didn’t jump as much should show if Mike was there, the only factor Pippen had is gone.
@Ocean Lives they were older and already in NBA. He needed a young skywalker. DUH!!! It’s funny you were probably so excited typing your reply, thinking your Jedi shhh was gonna hit hard huh? NOT!!!!
I agree with you. Pippen you could substitute, MJ you could not.
Because they were on Cocaine and he just entered the league.
@@TheNBAGoat precisely
@Ocean Lives oh I feel so sorry for you. It’s sad when y’all gotta ALWAYS come back with it’s a team sport. Hasn’t it always been? Yet you say such nonsense because it isn’t your guy widely considered the GOAT. What’s next the eras? Or the expansion teams? Or Jordan had Phil Jackson? Always something with you guys. Another thing Phil Jackson NEVER coached an NBA game before the Bulls. So you can say MJ made him too
Scottie Pippen was Julian Edelman to Tom Brady. Help win Super Bowls but he is still a role player. Scottie is a good to great player but he ain't on MJ level. Would he make the hall of fame without Jordan? Probably. Would have won multiple championships? No
Most of the time, it’s the LeBronze fans that like to say this crap to argue that their kang being the GOAT- greatest of all turnovers lol.
Jordan never what of win rings without pippin
You change Pippen for ANY other Top 5 SF in the league and Jordan still wins. You take away Jordan and Pippen NEVER wins...
@@TheNBAGoat when you change pippin Jordan ain't shit
Jordan got swept under the rug without Pippi Pippi went to the Conference Finals without Jordan on Jordan's team think about that
91 finals MJ avg 11 APG not 8. 8.3 in the playoffs, little misleading the way it looks.
These are NOT Finals numbers friend. They are FULL Playoff run numbers. 1, 2, 3 ROUND and Finals.
@@TheNBAGoatGot it you'r graphic says Lakers 1-4 at the top of your stats like I said a little miss leading but I looked at the total then figured it out.
Hey if MJ was so great how come he couldn't win anything before or after he played with scottie Pippin???
How come LBj NEVER won without Wade, Irving, AD ? Want to answer ? Everyone needs a sidekick. Its a 5 player on court game. NOT 1 on 1... lol
@@TheNBAGoatAnswer the question. If he is so great, why couldn’t he win a playoff series? 😂😂😂😂
Stop arguing that MJ is the great player best team.mate
MJ is the GOAT. There is no argument. Only Lebron fans argue... If you as a player got accused of quitting in the Finals as James did you are OUT of the Debate... Period.
Bulls went further in playoffs with Pip no MJ then they ever did MJ no Pip. Not pushing that Pip was better....but Bulls success in '90's had an awful lot to do with Pip. And for all the people crying MJ didn't have teammates in the '80's, are they willing to give Ewing the same benefit of the doubt - he had a former grocery check-out guy as his 2 guard and a non-score Oakley as his 4. Only MJ gets the "but he had no teammates". MJ was amazing, I'm not trying to take that away. But he is so begrudging of sharing credit it's pathological. So different from Bird who is overgracious to a fault of his teammates - even though he's the type of teammate that his rookie year took a 29 win C's team to 61 wins.
Are you comparing the Great John Starks to the morons and drug addicts MJ played with in the 80s ? Im using this comment for my next video... Damn. Thanks.
@@TheNBAGoat I know we’re in Bidenflation but wow Great is cheap now - even a guy who averages 12 pts, 2 reb and 3.5 assists. i was a Starks fan and he could occasionally go off (though 2-18 in ‘94 is burned into my head). He was NOT great, though he did leave it all on the floor. Even Orlando Woolridge Jordan’s ‘80’s teammate averaged 16 pts, 4 reb and 2 assists and I doubt you’re calling him The Great.
Bird was great but he actually had players on that team, Dave Cowens, Tiny Archibald, Cedric Maxwell, etc. Jordan had nothing but cocaine addicts in '84
@@nathancook2852 say what you will, the group won 29 games the year before. Cowens was old/hurt and ready to retire. the team couldn’t win 30 games. Bird made everyone that much better with his presence, jumping win total to 61 and 1st in Atlantic from 5th previous year.
No. Even Jordan said so himself.
I’m not sure I’d say this publicly. You look bad as a man tearing another man down in my opinion. Maybe I’m to old school
💯👏🏿👌🏿.🪦 to all those weak a*s debates against MJ
Exactly
When jordan dont have pippen did he won titles
Jordan got beat by a 59 win Bucks team that had Cummings and Moncrief. He got beat by a Celtics team that had 5 HOFers on it. You really expect him to win that type of matchup when his next best player is a post prime Gervin. Nah, come on now. After Pip, Jordan had the wizards who had 19 wins the previous year in the 4th/5th seed before he hurt his knee. Learn some facts before spouting off.
Pippen was a superior defender. Magic was cooking Michael in the first game of their first title. They lost that game. Then Phil Jackson put pip on Magic and the bulls didn’t lose another game. Without Pippen MJ doesn’t win a chip. MJ know that too, and that’s why he said what he said in his hall of fame enshrinement. That said, no doubt MJ is better overall because of his scoring.
You are talking about ONE game and describing careers... MJ was a great defender. He had no weak parts in his game.
Dude you obviously don’t know 💩 about basketball lol wtf 😂
Stop repeating debunked arguments. Pippen did NOT guard Magic most of the series
casual fan comment..
I’m a believer that Michael Jordan is the best player in the NBA ever in this video you’re counting all the times Michael lead in stats but with Pippen lead in more stats, they have to be a caveat. But here’s the problem that I have and this is probably one of the things that Pippen has been saying for a long time but he don’t get credit for what he done instead of giving them in his props, but leaving the team, you have to find a way for Michael to win that that is unfair. Do I think it was better than Jordan no directing Pippen was even as good of Jordan no but Pippen value to the team was in my opinion, almost equal to Jordan‘s value to the team because of all the different things that pippin done on the team that when Jordan left in his first retirement, Pippen lead in every stat pretty much on the team that I did tell you something about the man ability to play the game
Let me ask you a question. Did you watch the video to the end ? Did you see how little of a difference there was between pip and mj in those stats pip led in ? Compare that to the work MJ put in on the offense to score and pip was just a role player... Thats it. Watch the ending.
@@TheNBAGoat actually, I watch the whole video and to my surprise people down play too often what Scotty Pippin did to make the Chicago Bulls team a great team, even Michael since daddy is the leader of this team
@@ajsavage9585 Pippen got credit, but then wanted more. He brought this on himself by claiming he was as good as MJ.
Pippen was irreplaceable during their 6 titles only idiots who didn't watch the bulls play and dont know anything about basketball disrespect pippen and those bulls rosters.
I saw the Bulls play all those years. Every game in Playoffs. Pippen was replacable. Tradable for a similar player. MJ was not. I mean even Phil didnt value Pip enough to have him tak a final shot instead of Kukoc...
U don't know hoopn cuz pippen job was to lock the best player up go watch young man
I dont know hoops ? Hahaha. Pip became who he was thanks to MJ. Pip was replacable, MJ was not. I think you dont know hoops friend. And also ... Young man ? Ok. Let me do this. Take care dear ...
All this proves is that Jordan was a better scorer than pippen … but as far as defense and all other intangibles those go to pippen
Not if you actually watcehd them play. They were not close. MJ was far superior.
Mj was better than you obviously think Mj was very very great on defense 3 time steals leader multiple seasons with over 200 steals and 100 blocks average more steals and blocks then Pippen for their career Mj also won a DPOY and finish top 5 7 times all time record and was 9 time first team defense but off course sometime it could look like that because Mj also should give you 35 on offense while being great on defense Pippen should only give you 15-17 point
You dont have comprehension hugh ? Did you watch until the end stats TOTALS were shown ? Pippen literally had 20 assists more overall... And like 50 rebounds .... So MJ was almost even on those stats and still DOUBLED Pip in scoring... OMG
@@TheNBAGoat yeah i know i just also mention how Mj did for his career and not only in their title run because Mj was waaay greater than people think in the 80s he just didnt have any help
@@mikebuckets so why mj couldn't make it as far as pippin did without jordan
Scottie Pippen is a Hall of Famer,top 50 player. In order for you to understand, you have to know that Scoring is only a small portion of why you win. Scottie did and was respected for doing the other things, like Run the offense and defend the opponents best threat,like he did when the put him on Magic. Things like that can't be quantified bye stats.Look at his career avg,that alone should tell you there's more to it and Scottie was the best all-around player on that team
If the Bulls drafted R.Miller instead of Pippen in 87-88 they would've had a realistic shot at winning 6 or more chips. No one runs the offense in the triangle. Jordan was Magic primary defender and defended the opposing team best player more than Pippen did
@SideshowBobSaget he was running the offense and you are correct MJ started off the series trying to guard Magic, that didn't work and they switched to Pippen which drastically changed the series, that and worthy got hurt
@SideshowBobSaget and maybe had you said Reggie Lewis I would have ran with you. Reggie Miller,no way. 2 ball hogs on the same team.
@SideshowBobSaget ppl are under the assumption that in the 80s ppl feared,wanted to play with or even considered a threat. Even the rookies coming in,you had to be drafted to the right team just to get in. I hear ppl say,Scottie only avg. 8pts as a rookie. It was a different time,rookies barely got burn unless your team was ass. Go look at Kenny Anderson rookie stat,he was a super bench warmer. Especially if there was a vet holding down your spot Marcus Camby didn't play until Ewing couldn't walk no more lol
@@kermonwilliams2180 No one runs the offense in the triangle. Jordan guarded Magic majority of the series.
Miller avg less or the same amount of FGA as Pippen did from 91-98.
Plenty of rookies were starters in the 80s. No one would bring up Pippen rookie yr if people didn't overrate his impact joining the Bulls.
Jordan is clearly superior in everything related to scoring, but Scottie could do more things, he was the one who distributed the offense keeping everyone involved and making them better and defensively he could cover much more space. Without Pippen the Jordan we know would not exist. Jordan never had a season above 500% without Scottie. MJ is clearly the better player but Scottie's game-winning impact is over the top. Pippen always made it to the playoffs without Jordan and was always over 500% without him.
Pippen couldn’t do more things. He was just a good player in many aspects
Look at the stats. He literally had just a few more assists overall in totals through the whole Title runs... He is replacable. MJ is NOT ...
@@TheNBAGoat During the championship years 91-93 and 96-98 Pippen outscored Jordan on everything except points. Free throws, and field goal % goes all in to score. Pippen had more rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. He was also the one who guarded the best players. The Bulls went from winning 57 games in '93 with MJ to 55 without him, Pippen had an MVP season and under his leadership BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant went to the All-Star Game for the only time in their careers. Pippen is not replaceable because no one else had the versatile skills that he had both offensively and defensively. MJ without a doubt would have been the best shooting guard in history without Pippen but he would never have gotten 6 rings without him.
@@juve4690 the gap in assists steals blocks was only about 20, not that much considering all those games in the play-offs.
But looking at year by year Jordan led the team in more stats. 6 championship play-off runs Jordan led 12 stats Pippen 10
Was Pippin as good as Mike in scoring of course, not but everything else, he was probably better. We saw how good Pippin was when Mike retired to go play baseball. The regular season wins were almost identical, and they almost won the second round in the playoffs.
Pip did absolutely nothing better than Jordan. Witnesses still roam the earth. You Lebron fans are desperately trying to uplift Pippen to downplay Jordan to uplift Lebron. All you are doing is diminishing Lebron and Pippen.
@lamontewilliams203 What does Lebron have to do with how good Pippin was. Pippin was an Allstar plus all nba team after Mike retired and made the 1st team all defense. You're clearly trying to troll me right 🤣
@@2tall886 he inherited a great tram. Of course they were going to do well
They had a built championship team MJ left Pippen... Lol. Also still had Phil who decided Kukoc was better to take a last second shot than Pippen... Just FYI...
@TheNBAGoat This is blatant disrespect for Pippin. This man is one of the greatest basketball players of all time. Was he as good as Mike offensively, no, but he was a better rebounder,more assist, more blocks, and was one of the greatest defensive players off all time. I'm sure I left out some of his attributes here. He was a beast where's this slander coming from I'm confused. From my perspective, he's criminally underrated only because he was on the bulls with Jordan.
The way he using stats is funny and total and average is basically the same stat so he's really using trickery plus the year or was tied he gave it to Jordan over a dumb stat Jordan fans are too funny😂 and pippen lead him in stats and he use the points stats to find it to Mike anyway🤣🤣🤣
Being dumb is calling scoring twice as many points a dumb stat... you need a little basketball educatiin my brother. Its ok.
@@TheNBAGoat you already had a scoring average then you use total points when common sense tells you if he almost double in average when you add it up it's the same thing but points still all the same stat so kinda dumb honestly just use ppg all you need but without that instead of it being 1 it's 2 stats in Jordan favor see the fake way you use to put him on top them when Scottie ties him out has more which he did twice you use oh but he double him in points like the other stats aren't important to say well he wins anyway and only a dummy would assist y agree with it
@@sylviaadkins6208 1991 finals Jordan led 4 stats Pippen 1
1992 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 2
1993 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 2
1996 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 2
1997 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 3
1998 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen led 2
In 6 finals series both Jordan and Pippen led 12 stats each
Now in the finals runs
1991 Jordan led 3 stats Pippen 2
1992 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 1
1993 Jordan led 2 stats Pippen 1
1996 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 2
1997 Jordan led 3 stats Pippen 1
1998 Jordan led 1 stat Pippen 3.
So in 6 championship runs for total playoffs Jordan led 12 stats Pippen led 10.
@@Sf75178 yes so now you see how important pippen really was and all that Jordan could've won with anybody is a lie they both really need each other to be great but both was great alone also but together they become legendary I agree with that but too many people down play pippen like he was just a great role player instead of a super star he was a 3 time all NBA first team and 8 time all NBA defense first team Wade bosh kyrie or AD or love none did that none of them pippen was great especially for his era being the best second option on any team in the whole 90's name a duo with a better second best player you can't Stockton comes close but he's no pippen no matter how much they try to act like he was he was better than drexler and drexler was a first option better than McHale only second option better was Kareem when he was with magic that's it out the 80's and 90's pippen really was top 10 player in the league in the 90's Jordan Miller Ewing Hakeem Robinson Barkley Malone Isaiah pippen Wilkins that's the top 10 and he's better than most of this list honestly you seen that that year and a half he had the team to himself
@@sylviaadkins6208 Was Pippen important to the championships? Yes
Was he as important as LeBron lovers and those that use their arguments make him out to be? No.
What I showed explain this very well
I was ready to listen until you said STATS!!!! STATS? Pip is feeling underappreciated and reading the comments, I see why. It was Pip who redefined the small forward position into what we now now as the point forward. Magic even said when Pip started running the Bulls offense. Phil and Tex trusted Pip to run the triangle, not MJ. In GM 5 against the Lakers, Pip was already finding Paxon to shoot aanndd Pip scored more than MJ. It was Pips outburst in the 3rd quarter than kept the Bulls in the game. gM 6 against the Blazers. Pip led the Bulls back while MJ was on the bench. Go watch the game. Pip needed MJ just like MJ needed Pip. We as fans were fortunate to witness MJ and Pip grow (key word is grow) into the best duo ever. Your stats will never show that growth. It was fun to watch them finally win. Stop with this nonsense Stat mess! Pip was never meant to be the leading scorer. In the triangle offense, the ball is distributed equally for everyone to touch and score. Go watch the flu game. Check out who sets up the play after Mj misses his free throw. Hint- MJ shoots and hits a 3!
What a player does to change the opponents offense or defense is unmeasurable. Steph Curry makes you defend him from half court. You can’t measure that in stats, and it lets weak dudes like Draymond green slash to the bucket with gigantic lanes… that’s unmeasurable with statistics… Pip did the same to other teams offenses… he was just as important as MJ. We all know that MJ is the GOAT, but without scottie… MJ ain’t the goat no more… guaranteed… wilt was a stats monster but not many chips… who thinks wilt is the goat? Bill Russell didn’t put up stats, but he got 11 chips on wilts clock. Bill Russell is I’m the GOAT conversation. With out pip, MJ doesn’t win a chip and he becomes the second wilt. Don’t minimize Scottie’s importance to the bulls dynasty and MJ’s legacy. Game 7, scottie got a migraine and couldn’t play, MJ lost… game six, scottie had a bad back, but stepped on the court and played decoy… MJ was able to squeak out a victory. Without pip, MJ doesn’t win chips. Don’t hate on scottie. “There is no MJ Without scottie Pippen.” - Michael Jordan
My friend I dont agree. Many players pippen could have been replaced by. You cant replace MJ.
he wasn’t just as important as mj that’s just factually incorrect..
I feel you for most part but Look at the laker series with magic Johnson I remember game 1 MJ couldn't handle Magic but Scottie pippen could in that
Incorrect my friend. Research it.
"Pippen was Magic's primary defender in the 91 finals".
This is probably the biggest myth ever. The media created
this myth and Lebron fans have been running with this. This
narrative is so false. I re-watched the finals a few months
ago, so I know I can expose this myth.
Before I expose this, let me show you some of the narratives
that make up the overall narrative and myth:
1. Jordan got torched by Magic in game 1
2. Phil put Pippen on Magic in game 2 because Jordan
struggled in game 1
3. Pippen shut Magic down in games 2-5
Game 1- Jordan guarded Magic for basically the entire game
and played very good defense on him. Magic had to pass on
many occasions because of how well Jordan was guarding
him. Magic only scored once while being guarded by Jordan.
Honestly, Jordan torched Magic.
Game 2- Jordan guarded Magic for most of the 1 st quarter
and was playing decent defense. However, around the
4-minute mark of the 1 st quarter Jordan picked up 2 fouls,
which caused Pippen to take over his role of guarding Magic
Pippen guarded Magic for the rest of the game and shut him
down.
Game 3- Jordan guarded Magic for most of the game. He
however struggled. I think it's fair to say that Magic torched
him. Pippen occasionally guarded Magic.
Game 4- Jordan guarded Magic for most of the game and
was playing decent defense. Despite struggling at times,
he wasn't struggling anywhere near as much as in game 3.
Pippen guarded Magic occasionally.
No
Much easier to replace Pippen. You cant replace Jordan.
Clyde Drexler once said "If Michael had same supporting cast as Bird and Magic he'd win as often as they do. If you're talking about who's more valuable to his team it's Michael." And that wasn't hyperbole cause MJ never had the supporting cast them two legends did and he still won more chips. I think The Glide is just a little bit more qualified than you on the subject. All MJ needed was one All-Star caliber teammate and it was over like John Belushi with a Nolan Ryan speedball. It was Black Jesus who made Pippen into an all-time great and Phil into a hall-of-fame coach.
@@katrinachavez3533 they are both a valuable because neither won a chip without out each other.
Basketball is a team game. Like it or not, team itself needs to have the chemistry to win. So based on your telling, then Jordan should have won the championship during his time in the wizards, but the matter of fact is that he didn't.
I will never understand what the obsession with Michael Jordan is by everyday people. Every great athlete will think they are the best player it's a ego thing. LOL! I can't handle the worship.. lol
I dont mind it. Gives me ideas for videos.