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    Messi v Ronaldo.
    Messi v Ronaldo.
    Messi v Ronaldo.
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  • @Vizeh
    @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +996

    300 comments in one hour…
    Please don’t hurt me😂

  • @MrAlpaca19
    @MrAlpaca19 5 місяців тому +661

    Never thought i would watch a 10 min video of Phil Foden in a Burnley kit talking about Messi and Ronaldo

    • @shivammange4143
      @shivammange4143 4 місяці тому +2

      Yeah Phil Foden has some good stats this year,7 goals in 27 games,2 assists with man city,so maybe he might get ballon dor 2024 and legacy like messi and ronaldo. Whats ur thought?

    • @godgamingmaster770
      @godgamingmaster770 4 місяці тому +8

      @@shivammange4143i think u misunderstood the comment

    • @davispaul2279
      @davispaul2279 4 місяці тому +2

      @@shivammange4143 what?

    • @shivammange4143
      @shivammange4143 4 місяці тому +3

      I know i was just kidding man😂😂😂😂😂😂relax

    • @ghorstbusters6238
      @ghorstbusters6238 4 місяці тому +1

      @@shivammange4143if you’re kidding, be funny then.

  • @BenDover_.
    @BenDover_. 5 місяців тому +3069

    Shame these two’s careers never really took off

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +822

      Indeed, imagine if they took football seriously😂

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 5 місяців тому +21

      I don’t get the joke here

    • @BenDover_.
      @BenDover_. 5 місяців тому +197

      @@nont18411 what joke?

    • @user-pb8gu3np6i
      @user-pb8gu3np6i 5 місяців тому +18

      @@BenDover_.how did their careers never take off?

    • @dekulites8599
      @dekulites8599 5 місяців тому

      ​@@user-pb8gu3np6iIts because their careers REALLY took off

  • @Hotel-20
    @Hotel-20 5 місяців тому +161

    managing less than 120 minutes per goal over your ENTIRE career is insane bro.
    doing that in in your peak years alone is mad, but 2 players doing that over 2 decades is hard to wrap my mind around.

  • @dinosutra
    @dinosutra 3 місяці тому +94

    Messi never played against San Marino, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Malta, Andorra, Lithuania, Latvia, Faroe Islands, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, Estonia, Kosovo, Belarus, Armenia, Luxembourg etc regularly. Otherwise he would've 250+ international goals by now. South American Qualifiers are the most difficult one.

    • @xeronyx0001
      @xeronyx0001 3 місяці тому +30

      True the last time Messi played against Estonia he banged 5 goals in a single game

    • @euphoriaggaminghd
      @euphoriaggaminghd 29 днів тому +15

      ​@@xeronyx0001at the age of 35 too

    • @adeebzayan4689
      @adeebzayan4689 19 днів тому +6

      ​@@xeronyx0001at 35 when he had no pace
      Imagine him playing against them in his prime like ronaldo did

    • @08BostonCeltics1
      @08BostonCeltics1 12 днів тому +5

      When I see takes like this, I realise how stupid and jealous some people are. If ronaldo didn’t score, you’d be like: he’s so shit he can’t score vs those teams. So basically you have an agenda whereby whatever the outcome, you will still shit on him. If Ronaldo was 5”7, shy and not outspoken, you’d be singing his praises because that’s what you relate to. You can hate him as a person but you cannot shit on his legacy. Simple

    • @muhammedanasks9342
      @muhammedanasks9342 День тому

      ​@@08BostonCeltics1it's not about personality you are making that on your own head
      Messi is better
      And if he plays against weak European team he will score more than Ronaldo ❤

  • @qBeYcarpet
    @qBeYcarpet 5 місяців тому +1164

    To throw my two cents in I think we all should accept Teemu Pukki as the de facto goat since his name literally translates to goat in Finnish.

    • @mad576wastaken
      @mad576wastaken 5 місяців тому +82

      Debate settled 😤

    • @robinthebobin6537
      @robinthebobin6537 5 місяців тому +36

      The only correct answer in the GOAT debate

    • @mattman-ys4ww
      @mattman-ys4ww 5 місяців тому +6

      🐐

    • @LiftandCoa
      @LiftandCoa 5 місяців тому +11

      I disagree.
      Its a shame you people have forgotten about Lord Bendtner. The only true king of football.

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +69

      I can agree to that

  • @ramiromartinez1742
    @ramiromartinez1742 5 місяців тому +2105

    I’ve been a die hard Messi fan since early middle school. The stuff Messi has done is nothing short of magical. I don’t hate CR7 but Messi has this way of making you question what you just saw.

    • @McCheeky123
      @McCheeky123 5 місяців тому +155

      exactly what i think. Messi does things that no other person on the planet can do including ronaldo. he is magical

    • @ShauryaSingh-tn8et
      @ShauryaSingh-tn8et 5 місяців тому +21

      Bro just watch young skillful cr7, despite being a player of hight stature and hight center of mass unlike Messi,he was still incredibly skillfully with the ball.

    • @LiftandCoa
      @LiftandCoa 5 місяців тому +83

      ​​@@ShauryaSingh-tn8etBro is 1.87m, not Peter Crouch or Jan Koller.
      His dribbling was impressive all by himself, not because hes taller than average.
      And yes he was effective - comparatively

    • @karthiks6394
      @karthiks6394 5 місяців тому +16

      I still how the f*ck cristiano scored that free kick vs arsenal, ong ranger vs porto just to name a few. So that logic doesn't make sense. U like messi so u think that

    • @McCheeky123
      @McCheeky123 5 місяців тому +93

      @@karthiks6394 the way messi weaves in and around multiple world class defenders at once then just pokes the ball past the keeper making it look all too easy, putting fear into the eyes of everyone around him is magical. The clip of messi being subbed on and Simeone knowing it's over for Atleti really sums it all up. (He then went on to win the game for Barca from behind if u don't know)

  • @djr8525
    @djr8525 5 місяців тому +231

    Saying messi hasnt adapted his playing style is wild 😂 and show's who has and hasnt watched his games

    • @oj6633
      @oj6633 4 місяці тому +9

      dude he went to a billion dollar team and didnt win anything

    • @goku809
      @goku809 4 місяці тому

      What are you talking about???? Thats nonsense mate ​@@oj6633

    • @MM-jc7uv
      @MM-jc7uv 4 місяці тому +58

      @@oj6633won the World Cup 🤷‍♂️

    • @vbubble8901
      @vbubble8901 4 місяці тому +12

      @@MM-jc7uvdidnt know FC Argentina is a billion dollar squad

    • @trollinape2697
      @trollinape2697 4 місяці тому +11

      ​@@oj6633he was there for like 2 seasons and got 2 titles

  • @fujheqvbmfgkpphgrsaqeahiudn
    @fujheqvbmfgkpphgrsaqeahiudn 4 місяці тому +250

    ronaldo fans do more damage to ronaldo than messi fans

  • @CoryJT
    @CoryJT 5 місяців тому +1602

    True football fans love both players and appreciate their greatness.

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +126

      I agree

    • @ALIENGOATMESSI
      @ALIENGOATMESSI 5 місяців тому +44

      ​@@Vizeh agree on what??😂😂They were never equal.Its social media and the ballondor award that made this a big thing

    • @khalil42
      @khalil42 5 місяців тому +136

      @@ALIENGOATMESSI you are exactly the opposite of what he described

    • @epic104
      @epic104 5 місяців тому +39

      ​@@ALIENGOATMESSIwdym "agree on what"? Is reading too hard for you? Take it one word at a time buddy

    • @lgdlacruz
      @lgdlacruz 5 місяців тому

      @@ALIENGOATMESSI people like you are exactly what makes this debate so toxic, go troll somewhere else kid

  • @lenl860
    @lenl860 5 місяців тому +97

    Problem with this debate is that 95% of people who have an opinion of it have never watched more than 5 games of each player in a season, 90% will have never watched a full 90 minutes with these guys at club level.

    • @jacobalexander4167
      @jacobalexander4167 5 місяців тому +6

      98% is of people who are extremely biased (especially messi fans) Ronaldo fans too

    • @HumbleBrownBoi
      @HumbleBrownBoi 4 місяці тому +36

      If you watched their games Messi was the far better technically gifted football player

    • @brosiph.
      @brosiph. 4 місяці тому +8

      Yea people take few moments of them out and use it to describe their whole game. Watching a full 90 minutes of them consistently in my time, messi is far more game changing than Ronaldo. He is the one on the pitch dictating the game. Loose sight of him for a second and the balls already in the goal. Ronaldo is also extremely dangerous, but no where as close as Messi. Messi has his playmaking and his dribbling and his goalscoring to watch out for. No disrespect to Ronaldo but it’s not really that close

    • @itsome_guy
      @itsome_guy 4 місяці тому

      visibly a ronaldo fan​@jacobalexander4167

    • @cyrilnxumalo4805
      @cyrilnxumalo4805 4 місяці тому +25

      @@jacobalexander4167 Stats say Messi eye test definitely say Messi. I don't understand when you say especially Messi fans as its pretty clear they watch football and understand who's the better of the 2. The fact we are even having this debate shows biased from Ronaldo fans aka (you). Ronaldo is second best we should accept that he played his heart out and was dominate for 20 years, but Messi glitch in the system and watching him play has proven forget stats.

  • @fishbowl4798
    @fishbowl4798 5 місяців тому +62

    “Basketballs a close second”
    Literally a second later
    “Nothing comes close”

  • @5lo0odee
    @5lo0odee 5 місяців тому +127

    Both are legends, and I’m glad I witnessed both of them in my lifetime. Both are amazing people as well, they might’ve made mistakes in the past, but they’re both a good example of determination and honesty.

    • @chardy8683
      @chardy8683 5 місяців тому +8

      Determination yes, honesty? No. They’re both Tax frauds and well… Ronaldo wasn’t allowed in the US for years because of his actions.

    • @nicolasconforti2604
      @nicolasconforti2604 5 місяців тому +4

      ​@chardy8683 Everyone evades taxes, especially rich people in countries with high rates. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo do their own accounting, and they probably don't know shit about taxes either.

    • @thespeculum785
      @thespeculum785 4 місяці тому

      @@chardy8683lol if you had any money you’d do the same. But i guess we’ll never find out, because you have a loser’s mindset, all bitterness and helplessness.

    • @dragonmaster3207
      @dragonmaster3207 4 місяці тому

      @@chardy8683tax fraud is awesome 🎉

    • @segineseju464
      @segineseju464 4 місяці тому

      Ronaldo isn't a legend without the World Cup. How is one a legend without winning the pinnacle of all trophies

  • @sarabalhas638
    @sarabalhas638 5 місяців тому +752

    We kept pushing each other.
    -Cristiano Ronaldo

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +92

      100%

    • @BiggestBirdonMars
      @BiggestBirdonMars 5 місяців тому +107

      I don't need anybody to push me I push myself
      - Cristiano Ronaldo

    • @Foe_K
      @Foe_K 5 місяців тому +58

      he keeps contradicting himself

    • @skullxishim
      @skullxishim 5 місяців тому

      he said that?@@BiggestBirdonMars

    • @Slim-MMA
      @Slim-MMA 5 місяців тому +1

      Ronaldo is obsessed with Messi and has an inferiority complex. Messi doesn't give a fuck about him.

  • @mcgullible5212
    @mcgullible5212 5 місяців тому +900

    The Ronaldo the hard worker vs Messi the talent has got to be the most reductionist narrative in football. People forget just how much of a talent Ronaldo is. There's no young talent on the face of the earth that even touches his level at his age.

    • @Marco-jc4zx
      @Marco-jc4zx 5 місяців тому +180

      Amen! Just because you see more of Ronaldo doing the work doesn't mean Messi isn't putting in the same amount of work. How would he have become a freekick specialist without putting in the hours? This is just a simple example. It's ridiculous of people to think Ronaldo is putting more hours in and Messi is doing nothing. No one can be at this level without a crazy work ethic.

    • @Bruhi7
      @Bruhi7 5 місяців тому +45

      @@Marco-jc4zxwhile I do agree that messi definitely trains and works hard but to say that he works as hard as ronaldo is just obscene. Every teammate ronaldo's played with has talked his dedication to training and perfecting his craft and how obsessed he is at being the best. And that simple fact to me proves that he's the harder worker

    • @coconutzmilk
      @coconutzmilk 5 місяців тому +24

      ​@@Bruhi7that does not reduce the impact his talent plays or the sheer amount of it, or vice versa for Messi.
      As OP said, it's the most reductionist narrative and it is quite annoying to see sometimes.

    • @Susanoo1016
      @Susanoo1016 5 місяців тому +23

      Let’s not act like Ronaldo was some century talent like Messi was, Ronaldo was super talented for sure, but compared to players like Rooney, or Neymar he’s pretty mediocre in terms of talent. His mentality bolstered his talent to put him above those two.

    • @dennisthemenace855
      @dennisthemenace855 5 місяців тому

      Wrong cr7 was extremely talented he was just very raw . You can say they were more develop at younger age flr world level but his talent was on their level ​@@Susanoo1016

  • @mr.jhoan.9326
    @mr.jhoan.9326 4 місяці тому +84

    There has never been such a forced debate, simply by watching each one play you realize the very different level each one is at, with the little man being the biggest of all. 🐐♾️

    • @JeffkReina
      @JeffkReina 4 місяці тому +7

      Average kid who started watching football in 2018😂

    • @kayenat10
      @kayenat10 4 місяці тому +24

      ​@@JeffkReina Ronaldo does things that can be done, but he does it more frequently than any other player that isn't Messi.
      What Messi does is not something people can replicate.

    • @JeffkReina
      @JeffkReina 4 місяці тому +5

      @@kayenat10 correction!!!
      no one can do anything impossible
      The fact that a human did it means that it’s possible. So Ronaldo and Messi’s legacy can be achieved with a good enough dedication. Also ppl that normally say, “It’s was never a debate” only said that because of recent times and the World Cup of course.
      But I’ll say that it was actually a debate, at least at that time. If you watched them earlier in their career you would know. Ronaldo made a massive comeback from 1:4 ballon d’ors to 5:5 ballon d’ors. To the point where he almost surpassed Messi if not Modric in 2018.
      That’s why when I hear ppl saying that it was never a debate I just know that they started watching football recently😂.
      The truth is that Messi won at the end but as for the debate, it was a very valid debate.
      Ronaldo really put up a good fight and proved himself a worthy opponent and he’ll always have my respect for that.
      But I’ll end this by saying, “There’s honor in everything, even in defeat”.
      I hope you didn’t misunderstand my harmless opinion tho.

    • @user-ji3yk3my2j
      @user-ji3yk3my2j 2 місяці тому

      @@kayenat10stop treating messi like a god dude,anything can be replicated with practice and dedication

    • @kayenat10
      @kayenat10 2 місяці тому

      @@user-ji3yk3my2j I'll believe it when I'll see it

  • @mc_douglax
    @mc_douglax 4 місяці тому +20

    No but penaldo started as a goalkeaper in the beginning of his career🤣😅💀

    • @mcmjoe
      @mcmjoe 3 місяці тому +2

      If he started as midfield according to Facebook fanboys (he didn't he was a wide forward or pure winger setup to assist) then why doesn't he lead in dribbles or assists or key passes or other areas in the game where midfielders are supposed to flourish, no Ronaldo fan will ever be able to answer this , because most Ronaldo fans are just fanboys who have been brainwashed to believe that he is someone who is supposedly on Messi's level.

    • @plasmahvh
      @plasmahvh 3 місяці тому

      @@mcmjoe i'm not even a ronaldo fan and i have to say you are completely braindead. i'm not even gonna answer there is no point communicating with you at all

  • @chanendlerbong
    @chanendlerbong 5 місяців тому +1202

    Some fanbase are not gonna like this video

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +217

      I prefer not to speak

    • @TheCommentor-
      @TheCommentor- 5 місяців тому +118

      Haven’t finished the video but penaldo fan girls are gonna go crazy

    • @chanendlerbong
      @chanendlerbong 5 місяців тому +18

      @@TheCommentor- mate im Messi fan

    • @Dino-ye5rp
      @Dino-ye5rp 5 місяців тому +74

      @@TheCommentor-why you gotta say penaldo for what he did to you 😂

    • @HamzaTalksFootball
      @HamzaTalksFootball 5 місяців тому +2

      Let them. 😂😂😂😂

  • @Radhaugo108
    @Radhaugo108 5 місяців тому +268

    Messi vs Ronaldo didn’t really become a thing until CR7 went to Madrid. Meaning that the debate was more about Barca vs Madrid.

    • @Ardenict
      @Ardenict 5 місяців тому +31

      Yeah, the debate already started when they met second time on UCL final. At the time people are choosing Ronaldo for his balon dor achievement and trophies at 2008. But now it's getting even bigger when Messi won 4th balon dor and Ronaldo move to Madrid

    • @cbust10
      @cbust10 4 місяці тому +20

      Media made it for clicks and views. All for it to culminate in Ronaldo becoming a crazy cult leader saying anything stupid and his followers eating it up 😂

    • @maaaaaap
      @maaaaaap 4 місяці тому +2

      yes because you cant compare performances in different leagues the same way, but it doesnt tell anything about who is better. like nobody really cares about who's the best in the world right now because the contenders play in different leagues

    • @maaaaaap
      @maaaaaap 4 місяці тому

      @@cbust10 ronaldo has had some dumb takes but it's just as dumb of a take to claim that "the media" made the rivalry

    • @AFO_AnalyRics
      @AFO_AnalyRics 4 місяці тому +5

      Chill with the revisionist history. Messi and CR7 were already rivals from the latter's days in Man U.

  • @loplop7029
    @loplop7029 4 місяці тому +87

    We’ve been spoiled! There will never another pair like Messi and Ronaldo. They drove the game (and each other) to new, dizzying heights!
    We were blessed

    • @ojvic7297
      @ojvic7297 4 місяці тому +3

      They will be plenty ronaldos bruh😂…
      He doesn’t do anything beyond normal on the pitch…
      But messi??!
      Nahhh

    • @user-uh8nc8ks6v
      @user-uh8nc8ks6v 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@@ojvic7297 Really lol ? your telling there won't be another player who gets 6 penalties in 8 world cup matches ? 😂😂😂😂

    • @ojvic7297
      @ojvic7297 4 місяці тому

      @@user-uh8nc8ks6v
      Yeah..
      Cos messi owns football…
      Only him can set a worldcup competition for himself …
      Messi runs football.😕
      Your crying goat is beneath him..😂

    • @gaelanimations4846
      @gaelanimations4846 3 місяці тому

      ​@@ojvic7297Nah man both ronaldo and messi own football

  • @Anti-HINDUS-MUSLIMS-JEWISH
    @Anti-HINDUS-MUSLIMS-JEWISH 4 місяці тому +27

    In total, Lionel Messi has won 97 trophies throughout his career. As a player for Barcelona, he took home a whopping 35 trophies during his 17-year run with the first team. He has also won 53 individual trophies.

    • @hairynigga849
      @hairynigga849 3 місяці тому +1

      97? Are you counting high school trophies too(I'm a messi fan)

    • @KakaReborn
      @KakaReborn 2 місяці тому +4

      ​@@hairynigga849 I think he mistaked trophies for awards

    • @prajwalitmohanty2337
      @prajwalitmohanty2337 Місяць тому

      Messi has won a total of 44 trophies, bro you are literally high and i say this is a die hard messi and ronaldo fan

    • @Anti-HINDUS-MUSLIMS-JEWISH
      @Anti-HINDUS-MUSLIMS-JEWISH Місяць тому

      @@prajwalitmohanty2337 search if you can.. Total awards n trophies combined.

  • @Retardinho199
    @Retardinho199 5 місяців тому +637

    Now with the wolrd cup Messi basically has a flawless career. Eye test, stats, trophies, big games. Theres nothing you can critique Messi for. Definitely the greatest player of all time

    • @jiijiceente533
      @jiijiceente533 5 місяців тому +60

      Imagine calling Messi’s World Cup career flawless 😂😂

    • @maxhollowayagenda
      @maxhollowayagenda 5 місяців тому +195

      @@jiijiceente533 only player to win 2 world cup golden balls, not even the great pele or maradona could do it. That alone cements his WC career as top 5 all time

    • @DJMorley18
      @DJMorley18 5 місяців тому +86

      Can you read? He has a flawless career because of the World Cup, not that he has a flawless World Cup career 🙄

    • @thembelamawelela9821
      @thembelamawelela9821 5 місяців тому +5

      That's your opinion. The eye test is subjective because we all value different things when we watch football. Stats, as we all know, only tell a portion of the story, trophies are team achievements, and both Ronaldo and Messi are bona fide big game players who like all players, have also choked in big moments.

    • @thembelamawelela9821
      @thembelamawelela9821 5 місяців тому

      That's your opinion. The eye test is subjective because we all value different things when we watch football. Stats, as we all know, only tell a portion of the story, trophies are team achievements, and both Ronaldo and Messi are bona fide big game players who like all players, have also choked in big moments.

  • @farhansubi1223
    @farhansubi1223 5 місяців тому +75

    Man, some people still talk about the rivalry between the two and the longetivity is insane. Mad, mad respect. The fact that Messi and Ronaldo are still being spoken of and some in Ballon D'Or contention despite Mbappe and Haaland being at that age where the two (Messi and Ronaldo) won their first (of many) Ballon D'Or is just mad.

  • @Smokyjohnson
    @Smokyjohnson 5 місяців тому +116

    I’ve probably watched 90-95% of Messi’s matches. I’ve run out of ways to describe him long ago. His footballing ability is ineffable. Without a doubt the GOAT!

    • @nurcozma6661
      @nurcozma6661 4 місяці тому +9

      i remember watching his goal against bilbao in 2015 copa del ray final and thought it was a normal goal BECAUSE IT WAS A NORMAL THING FOR MESSI , looking back now i dont know how i didnt realise i just witnessed one of the greatests goals of all time

    • @bensonchatfield4849
      @bensonchatfield4849 4 місяці тому +2

      Magical Messi, that's how you describe him.😊

    • @marioauditore2859
      @marioauditore2859 4 місяці тому +3

      Not even close to Pelé

    • @mr.gamerkabir8142
      @mr.gamerkabir8142 4 місяці тому

      @@marioauditore2859 pele is an overkill
      di stefano is enough

    • @Smokyjohnson
      @Smokyjohnson 4 місяці тому +1

      @@marioauditore2859 head and shoulders above pele

  • @dresantorini1770
    @dresantorini1770 3 місяці тому +7

    Ronaldo does things and you say wow, messi does something and you say how!

  • @lsg7117
    @lsg7117 5 місяців тому +92

    "Basketballs a CLOSE second but nothing comes CLOSE to Messi and Ronaldo" 😂😂 gotta love Vizeh

    • @Sajayyz
      @Sajayyz 4 місяці тому

      Still more fun and harder to learn tho😂

  • @MalcolmGaming10
    @MalcolmGaming10 4 місяці тому +7

    I don't know why fans are so obsessed with stats. They clearly do not watch football but just use social media. If you actually watch football, anyone who says that CR7 is a better footballer than Messi is delusional. It is a fact.

    • @shepardice3775
      @shepardice3775 4 місяці тому +1

      The thing about stats is that Messi still has the greatest stats of any footballer in history. That's why it baffles me when people try to use that to argue for Ronaldo

    • @MalcolmGaming10
      @MalcolmGaming10 4 місяці тому +4

      @shepardice3775 yup true, but in summary Messi is a faster version of Maradona with Pele's goalscoring numbers and Zidane's playmaking abilities

    • @maaaaaap
      @maaaaaap 4 місяці тому +1

      it's a fact that people who think their opinions are facts are dumb

    • @bluebeing1754
      @bluebeing1754 Місяць тому

      ​@@maaaaaap that makes u dum

  • @MrMirofl
    @MrMirofl 4 місяці тому +7

    They truly are special. Messi and Ronaldo. Two Legends ...

  • @yusufchagtai5542
    @yusufchagtai5542 5 місяців тому +510

    Looking back at the career of Messi and everything he has shown and done on the pitch, what he has produced in output and won on top of all that, there is no shame in Ronaldo coming 2nd to such an alien.
    Cr7 however has shown and set a blueprint to all aspiring footballers that may not be gifted as much in ability as their peers that among magicians in the game you can still through sheer hard work, dedication and winning mentality, take yourself into the conversation amongst the greatest. He will always be admired as the best role model and a personal goat for those reasons for many people…
    Of course Ronaldo also had the talent and Messi had the mentality, but what clearly stood out and is most known about the two is Messi’s outstanding ability which is down to his natural football genius and Ronaldo’s clutch performances be it finals or other big games… which is down to his outstanding mentality, drive and determination of winning whilst having an extreme bitter hate to lose…

    • @skullxishim
      @skullxishim 5 місяців тому +21

      very well said 👍

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +60

      Thank you for your take on this debate lad❤

    • @okwyunams8439
      @okwyunams8439 5 місяців тому +16

      @yusufchagtai5542
      Well put....but please revisit that clutch, big game and final part. This is one aspect of Ronaldo that people seem to simply assume.

    • @yusufchagtai5542
      @yusufchagtai5542 5 місяців тому +16

      @@okwyunams8439 I really hope you’re joking…

    • @okwyunams8439
      @okwyunams8439 5 місяців тому +16

      @yusufchagtai5542
      See that's exactly the point. I'm certainly not joking. Give me examples that come to mind as to why Ronaldo is remembered as a big game player above someone like Messi for instance.

  • @abutimelanin
    @abutimelanin 5 місяців тому +76

    While I am a die hard Ronaldo fan. I know that you cannot even deny Messi’s career as being the greatest anyone has ever witnessed. I’ll always rep Ronaldo because of the memories he was instrumental in creating for me and other Madridistas. But Messi’s career is so perfect, he has won everything he could win being the best player almost every single time. Who can debate that?

    • @Dan42069___
      @Dan42069___ 5 місяців тому +5

      It’s not the greatest mate only reason he even has a career is cuz of drugs

    • @abutimelanin
      @abutimelanin 5 місяців тому +30

      @@Dan42069___ Come on man 🤣

    • @gloooto1
      @gloooto1 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Dan42069___ i did growth hormones just like messi and i don´t have a gram of his talent and not even near being a pro football player, shut the f up

    • @shairis2007
      @shairis2007 2 місяці тому

      Messi didn't do well for psg tho.. he got carried by Barca, while Ronaldo is on his own, proving himself in every team..
      cant deny messi's greatness in barca tho

    • @gloooto1
      @gloooto1 2 місяці тому +5

      @@shairis2007 HAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHHA, where was ronaldo against portugal?

  • @ThatArsenalFan8
    @ThatArsenalFan8 2 місяці тому +6

    Ronaldo fans saying that Messi “only scores tap- ins”. Edit: this is a true story btw

  • @himdamnself
    @himdamnself Місяць тому +6

    The most forced debate in the history of mankind.
    One natural and the other utilizing a massive PR team to force relevance.

    • @syt3189
      @syt3189 14 днів тому

      dumbest comment I've ever read

  • @LePain32
    @LePain32 5 місяців тому +113

    One of the best rivalry of all time 🐐👽

  • @The29Dave
    @The29Dave 5 місяців тому +55

    Messi just won the 2023 Player of The Year Award as voted by fellow players and coaches
    Several of Ronaldo's former teammates voted for Messi

    • @jacobalexander4167
      @jacobalexander4167 5 місяців тому +35

      ....and we all know he didn't deserve it

    • @xDr0pShoTzx
      @xDr0pShoTzx 4 місяці тому +4

      not true these players represent the country they did not vote themself

    • @grunklesmuff
      @grunklesmuff 4 місяці тому

      @@jacobalexander4167u don't know better than football professionals

    • @kio7596
      @kio7596 4 місяці тому +1

      and we all know he didnt deserve it

    • @ronaldoisnotthegoatmessiisgoat
      @ronaldoisnotthegoatmessiisgoat 4 місяці тому +3

      @@kio7596omg these excuses are so lame

  • @lordinfernape4753
    @lordinfernape4753 4 місяці тому +20

    For me its not even about the stats, its about the influence both have in the game
    Messi is one of if not the smartes player ever, and it isnt just that. The mastery of the ball, the acceleration, the fact that he could get fouled and keep going, his balance, everything
    For me that is the reason it isnt even close, Ronaldo makes hard stuff, Messi makes hard stuff look easy

    • @peacefulman2718
      @peacefulman2718 4 місяці тому

      Ronaldu makes the impossible look possible, I am a Juventus fan and stunned when Ronaldu carried Real in final match of champions league, he scored 2 goals that was supposed to be not possible for the rest of the players. All Juventus fans 👏 for Ronaldu and Real Madrid while our club was losing

  • @salvadorfuentes7777
    @salvadorfuentes7777 4 місяці тому +19

    Messi the undeniable, undisputed, unquestionable greatest footballer to ever grace the sport. Him leading his country to the summit by way of a World Cup puts the end to this debate, if there ever was one.

  • @user-ov6ht3lu4d
    @user-ov6ht3lu4d 5 місяців тому +16

    To me Messi all day but I still appreciate Ronaldo and his achievements. He deserves respect and his flowers. What these guy has done in their careers will never be forgotten

    • @theviper542
      @theviper542 5 місяців тому

      mate please learn english you are giving me a chronic headache

    • @bonaventuretindin8494
      @bonaventuretindin8494 4 місяці тому +1

      @@theviper542 at least u understood what he said, cornball

    • @theviper542
      @theviper542 4 місяці тому

      @@bonaventuretindin8494 i didn't understand a damn thing mate you must be even more stupid than him to understand that and think that I understood it too if I did I never would have commented

  • @L.S.Angeli
    @L.S.Angeli 5 місяців тому +162

    Pele, Messi, CR7, Og Ronaldo, Alex de Souza, Maradona, Cruyff, and more. All these players have contributed so much to this game, and I hope for more players like them.

    • @chidorisogeki333
      @chidorisogeki333 5 місяців тому +15

      Alex de Souza
      so underrated
      great shout

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +30

      I feel awful for the fact I’ve not really heard of Alex de Souza at all

    • @chidorisogeki333
      @chidorisogeki333 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Vizeh I’m English, but he is like Fenerbahce greatest ever player. Different on the eye and amazing stats to back it up.
      if he was more fortunate in his career with transfers and coaches he could’ve been an all time great.

    • @a-turkey-in-abush7787
      @a-turkey-in-abush7787 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Vizeh legend who’s career was ruined by the manager of Fenerbache who was also their top scorer. He scored 5 goals in a game at the end of the Brazilian league season to equal a record set by R9.

    • @ShyamChanda-jb5ql
      @ShyamChanda-jb5ql 5 місяців тому

      @@Vizeh He was great bro would broke records at turkey but the manager was petty sure the best and didnt want to beat his records

  • @alejandrohernandez8359
    @alejandrohernandez8359 5 місяців тому +23

    The debate ended the 18th of December of 2022

  • @jonathanprime1507
    @jonathanprime1507 4 місяці тому +40

    Even without the stat's Messi is clearly better. Ronaldo never affected and brought up his team the way Messi did. Messi did everything from scoring, assisting, and playmaking.while Ronaldo only scored and sometimes assisted.

    • @Yonkipog
      @Yonkipog 4 місяці тому

      Whats your country bro?

    • @aalamahmad25
      @aalamahmad25 3 місяці тому +3

      There is no way in hell madrid were wining 3 ucl back to back without Ronaldo

    • @Countryballs24992
      @Countryballs24992 3 місяці тому +2

      Bro has negative ball knowledge.😂

    • @Messi_47758
      @Messi_47758 2 місяці тому

      @@Countryballs24992He is right but Ronaldo did affect the team with his clutch but he does only score goals and his influence other than goals is limited and he sometimes assist but Ronaldo comes in clutch.

    • @Countryballs24992
      @Countryballs24992 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Messi_47758 he is not. Ronaldo has affected every team he has played in. The disrespect is unreal. Just respect both goats.

  • @Dplayz-
    @Dplayz- 5 місяців тому +248

    I'm A Ronaldo fan
    I'll Never Say Messi is the GOAT
    But I do acknowledge his greatness

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +45

      That’s fair mate! Thank you for your comment!

    • @_BreathOfFreshAir_
      @_BreathOfFreshAir_ 5 місяців тому +64

      I completely disagree.

    • @SAADOFFICIAL436
      @SAADOFFICIAL436 5 місяців тому +1

      W

    • @ALIENGOATMESSI
      @ALIENGOATMESSI 5 місяців тому +62

      😂😂u might not say it but u know it😂😂😂.LOL

    • @YETI_312
      @YETI_312 5 місяців тому +4

      100% agree Ronaldo all the way❤

  • @malikmirhancifci5031
    @malikmirhancifci5031 5 місяців тому +31

    This is the kind of perspective i love to see. They will always be number 1 and 2 for me, but whos in what order idk cuz there is a lot of factors besides stats. Love your videos as always 🔥

    • @choosetolivefree
      @choosetolivefree 5 місяців тому +11

      Yea. In reality its still an easy decision to objectively make. In almost every way you can compare them, Messi comes out on top. CR wins very few metrics of comparison

  • @itz_yeastic
    @itz_yeastic 4 місяці тому +37

    as a ronaldo fan, I agree messi is the goat in football, but the reason so many people like ronaldo is the fact that he is very hardworking and a inspirational, motivational person, his story is inspiring and he is a perfect role model to achieve greatness.

    • @rishavsinha214
      @rishavsinha214 3 місяці тому +1

      True 👍

    • @user-mm7vm7qk7n
      @user-mm7vm7qk7n 3 місяці тому

      I think you're not fan of CR7. You're just disguised one

    • @rishavsinha214
      @rishavsinha214 3 місяці тому +1

      @@user-mm7vm7qk7n He is speaking facts

    • @itz_yeastic
      @itz_yeastic 3 місяці тому

      im a cr7 fan since 2013 bro, i even used to say he is the goat until messi proved he is capable of winning international trophies, he has the world cup and at the end of the day he has every single trophy and most ballon dors @@user-mm7vm7qk7n

    • @78aspectt
      @78aspectt 3 місяці тому +14

      ​@@user-mm7vm7qk7n Why? I can be a Neymar fan but I know Pele is better

  • @bandicoot678
    @bandicoot678 4 місяці тому +8

    no one will ever be able to measure Messi's talent with statistics and awards, he's off the charts every time😚😎🐐

  • @Jammiest_Dodger
    @Jammiest_Dodger 5 місяців тому +140

    Ronaldo's finishing and legendary ball skills are absolutely insane
    But watching Messi play as a whole, his dribbling and overall quality, is just mesmerising to witness
    I've never felt so astounded by a football player like Messi (in his prime of course)

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 5 місяців тому +2

      Fat Messi or Noodle hair Ronaldo?

    • @Jammiest_Dodger
      @Jammiest_Dodger 5 місяців тому +3

      @@nont18411 Noodle hair Ronaldo

    • @BlueCuler
      @BlueCuler 5 місяців тому +36

      ​@@Jammiest_Dodger fat Messi scored 91 In a single calendar year

    • @Idk-ps5dl
      @Idk-ps5dl 5 місяців тому

      @@Jammiest_Dodgerwrong

    • @rohanpreetsingh4862
      @rohanpreetsingh4862 5 місяців тому

      fair point but I generally don’t understand ppl that say ronaldo is just a goalscorer

  • @challah4311
    @challah4311 5 місяців тому +34

    1. messi played many different roles across multiple different systems at barcelona
    2. european international matches are much easier than south american ones due to the high amount of low-ranked countries

    • @vladjoldis5553
      @vladjoldis5553 5 місяців тому +1

      😂😂

    • @Dan42069___
      @Dan42069___ 5 місяців тому +5

      As a Colombian, playing in Europe as a Portuguese is way harder, most South American national teams are not competent whatsoever

    • @Ksfjkdf
      @Ksfjkdf 5 місяців тому +20

      ​@@Dan42069___think he means because in South America you never play really shit nations. Teams like Peru are like top 50. However in Europe you can stat pad games in like nations League and euro qualifiers where you play nations like Lichtenstein malta and San marino but idk whats harder myself

    • @Dotsetc
      @Dotsetc 5 місяців тому +4

      What are those different systems and roles in such a regard it's an argument.
      And no. It's solely easier to go through the group stage. After that the EC is way and I mean way harder.
      France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, England, Belgium and then multiple other teams that are basically at least as strong as every country in SA not named Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay.
      The EC is way harder. Argentina or Brazil not winning the Copa means they 100% failed. Not winning the EC means other teams might have better teams.

    • @jherc12990
      @jherc12990 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Dotsetc What's the standard of the EC if third placed teams can qualify for the next round? Most of the time Ronaldo is not playing against France, Germany, Italy, Croatia, Spain, England,etc. On the road to the Euro 2016 he faced....wait for it......Croatia, Poland 🙄, and Wales 🙄. You can't be serious.

  • @abadirabdo10
    @abadirabdo10 3 місяці тому +20

    The fact that Messi has 100 more MOTM with 100 less games shows how much better player messi is.

    • @Paradox_AMpremium
      @Paradox_AMpremium 2 місяці тому +1

      Nuh uh my new videos proves ronaldo better

    • @ananthkrishna8224
      @ananthkrishna8224 Місяць тому +1

      Messi >>>>penaldo😂😂​@@Paradox_AMpremium

    • @S6per11S2vior
      @S6per11S2vior Місяць тому +1

      @@Paradox_AMpremiumagreed

    • @Mrdipbhai
      @Mrdipbhai 12 днів тому +2

      ​@@Paradox_AMpremium Messi>Ronaldo (overall stats)

  • @turbotoke8882
    @turbotoke8882 5 місяців тому +115

    I've always said that Messi was better, but not by much, I love Ronaldo and hes always been one of my favourite players. Im legit a United fan only because of how good him and Rooney were back in 2008.
    Just because I say that Messi is better, doesnt mean that Ronaldo isnt good, hes legit the 2nd best footballer of all time, thats a huge achievement. I just love them both man, its so sad that were never gonna get such a perfect rivalry ever again.

    • @anshul5705
      @anshul5705 5 місяців тому +16

      No way ronaldo is 2nd best of all time. As a player quality he is not.

    • @lqcross5745
      @lqcross5745 4 місяці тому +25

      @@anshul5705Not gonna lie you either don’t like Ronaldo or haven’t watched him throughout his career to make that statement

    • @thecro2060
      @thecro2060 4 місяці тому +26

      ​@@anshul5705Ronaldo is the 2nd best of all time. His achievements, longevity, adaptability and performances are unparalleled, except for Messi.

    • @turbotoke8882
      @turbotoke8882 4 місяці тому +10

      @@thecro2060 Exactly its legit insane that Ronaldo and Messi made it seem normal to consistently get 60+ g/a every season. Just think about how insane that is.

    • @jamiejackson1185
      @jamiejackson1185 4 місяці тому +7

      lol CR7y is not even recognised as the greatest Ronaldo which is R9.

  • @omarovo
    @omarovo 5 місяців тому +21

    The only reason this debate even exists is media PR… because there is no way shape or form you’re comparing a Playmaker and a Goal-scorer (who is also an insane dribbler) to a goal scorer.

    • @maaaaaap
      @maaaaaap 4 місяці тому

      the only reason your comment exists is that you dont realize that when the debate started Ronaldo was a great dribbler and assist provider

    • @omarovo
      @omarovo 4 місяці тому +2

      @@maaaaaap You’re right ronaldo WAS a great dribbler but he wasn’t even on Hazard’s level. You’re right he provided assists but they are no where near the efficiency or look as good as Messi’s assists.

  • @panborlangmarbaniang6431
    @panborlangmarbaniang6431 5 місяців тому +10

    Messi scored a 10 out of 10 rating in the CL final against Ronaldo in 2009...where's the debate now?

    • @user-bi5nw4vp6t
      @user-bi5nw4vp6t 5 місяців тому

      10/10 in that CL final. Xavi was the motm. You mean Xavi has that rating

    • @panborlangmarbaniang6431
      @panborlangmarbaniang6431 5 місяців тому +3

      @user-bi5nw4vp6t well can't argue with a clueless penaldo fan

    • @dsavage6618
      @dsavage6618 4 місяці тому +1

      @@user-bi5nw4vp6tMessi scored a 10/10 Rating in the 2011 UCL final Not 2009 but doesn’t change the fact that Ronaldo NEVER DID THAT🤣 and Messi dunked on Ronaldo’s head in 2009 still

    • @user-bi5nw4vp6t
      @user-bi5nw4vp6t 4 місяці тому

      @@dsavage6618 Now explain who said he had 10/10 in CL final according to whom?? The famous ratings are from el.equippe and Messi has 10 rating in two matches(. Arsenal 11, Leverkusen 12). I see football from R9,Zidane time ,,don't come up with your pathetic fanboy knowledge and argue believing everyone are fans of Messi,CR etc. It's waste of time to speak to this kids who know nothing. Messi was great in 11 final and go.watch what Xavi did in 2nd half of 11 CL final if u want the see a masterclass.

  • @MB-um8bl
    @MB-um8bl 4 місяці тому +2

    Amazing video. Full of facts and respect for both… everyone should enjoy watching them play with such passion for the game until it is too late.

  • @Luispcwin
    @Luispcwin 4 місяці тому +3

    Messi has been the greatest since 2011, what Ronaldo did was made a case for him having some better seasons than Messi. But the best player of the two is Messi, and me being Brazilian make it tough to admit but messi is the greatest

  • @joshtothebmc7568
    @joshtothebmc7568 5 місяців тому +107

    A big reason for people supporting Ronaldo is the fact you saw more of him. in more interviews as he spoke English, had multiple products, did brand deals so was a big marketing target. Whereas Messi is not as commercialised.

    • @simonppp
      @simonppp 5 місяців тому +11

      Ronaldo is just more likeable😊

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +36

      That’s a good point!

    • @dhillonsingh4376
      @dhillonsingh4376 5 місяців тому +18

      what you yapping about???

    • @Lilmosey-ud9pg
      @Lilmosey-ud9pg 5 місяців тому +17

      Bro waffling

    • @SayMyName316
      @SayMyName316 5 місяців тому +11

      @@Lilmosey-ud9pgthat’s facts

  • @digitail4000
    @digitail4000 5 місяців тому +22

    Yes, I TOTALLY agree. I've always thought I was the only one who thought the rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo wasnt close. I've always thought Messi was just better.

    • @pierrefeguiere
      @pierrefeguiere 5 місяців тому +2

      Your absolutely right brother.

    • @miguelangelgomezgutierrez
      @miguelangelgomezgutierrez 4 місяці тому

      Because you are delulu

    • @digitail4000
      @digitail4000 4 місяці тому +12

      @@miguelangelgomezgutierrez nah Ronaldo fans are the delusional ones

    • @miguelangelgomezgutierrez
      @miguelangelgomezgutierrez 4 місяці тому

      @@digitail4000 ok person who's idol is Europe's laughing matter since 2015

    • @mr.jhoan.9326
      @mr.jhoan.9326 4 місяці тому +1

      @@miguelangelgomezgutierrez Messi has the admiration of all European lovers, what are you saying, ask any player about Messi and he will tell you that he is to be feared, that he has respect for him, that he is magical, a genius or he will tell you that he is the GOAT. What's more, you're probably the person with a high profile, being laughed at in the World Cup for never having scored in KO phases or trying to take credit from one of your teammates for a goal that he couldn't even touch with a header.

  • @colloquialsoliloquy6391
    @colloquialsoliloquy6391 4 місяці тому +2

    By the end of the Messi v CR7 El Classicos , Messi was so far ahead , he could afford to let his rival gain a few laps.

  • @skrsundar6845
    @skrsundar6845 4 місяці тому +3

    2022/12/18. The debate over.

  • @futile01
    @futile01 5 місяців тому +13

    See its usually younger kids, those more naive and still growing that really idolise ronaldo because of the image he build around himself but when they start growing up start to mature they start to appreciate how insane messi stats and achievements are in comparison

    • @nahummy
      @nahummy 4 місяці тому +1

      I don’t think this is true, at least from where I come from. Two of the schools i’ve seen, a lot of people say Messi. I personally think Ronaldo is better but both are arguable. I respect both of them for being the best at the sport.

    • @fatimasalem5325
      @fatimasalem5325 4 місяці тому +4

      Bro this is the most true thing I’ve read today. From 2017 I was a Ronaldo fan and I always didn’t care for Messi games . But know that I have opened my eyes Messi is truly the greatest

    • @bluebeing1754
      @bluebeing1754 Місяць тому

      ​​@@fatimasalem5325 same. It's bcz Ronaldo has insane PR

  • @whenisdinner2137
    @whenisdinner2137 5 місяців тому +14

    In basketball and football people try to act like there's a debate when there isn't...

    • @Ksfjkdf
      @Ksfjkdf 5 місяців тому +1

      Just wondering. Who is the clear goat in basketball?

    • @nikaabuladze3105
      @nikaabuladze3105 5 місяців тому +13

      @@Ksfjkdf Michael Jordan is by a mile :) just like Messi.

    • @Football_Advanced
      @Football_Advanced 4 місяці тому

      @@nikaabuladze3105 really? i dont know anything about basketball but whenever i see the goat debate it always seems like an era thing, like older people will say jordan and younger will say lebron

    • @mr.gamerkabir8142
      @mr.gamerkabir8142 4 місяці тому

      @@nikaabuladze3105 pele existed

    • @mr.gamerkabir8142
      @mr.gamerkabir8142 4 місяці тому

      i agree never a debate
      pele was always clear

  • @damnrightclown
    @damnrightclown 5 місяців тому +1

    "Look basketball is a close second, but nothing comes close to Messi and Ronaldo" wise words my friend...

  • @derwachter2842
    @derwachter2842 3 місяці тому +4

    Second best for me is Johan Cruyff, because of his influence on the pitch. He was probably the most intellectual player in terms of football iq. He was the Player to play in most complicated System(Total Football). At least to get near to that and he was the one why this System was functionated.(Example 1974 WC)... And of course the greatest player of all time is Messi. No debate.

    • @mr.gamerkabir8142
      @mr.gamerkabir8142 3 місяці тому

      Just tell me you are a Barca fan

    • @shanniksarkar10
      @shanniksarkar10 2 місяці тому

      ​@@mr.gamerkabir8142johan Cruyff revolutionized football mate, he's the most influential footballer, people don't give him his flowers

  • @ProfessionalNonce
    @ProfessionalNonce 5 місяців тому +30

    On an unrelated note Xavi has played a highline against Vini and Rodrygo and is 2-0 down in 10 minutes,when messi left Barcelona really declined

    • @demonz3943
      @demonz3943 5 місяців тому

      Yep, 3-1 now Vini hattrick, ig Vini the real 🐐

    • @LFCBinzy
      @LFCBinzy 5 місяців тому

      3-1, vinicius hattrick yeah they're fucked

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +3

      Thanks for that update

    • @jimmywalker8354
      @jimmywalker8354 5 місяців тому +4

      They blew 4-1 & 3-0 leads in UCL with Messi there. The decline started whie Messi was there.

    • @afellownerd
      @afellownerd 5 місяців тому +1

      they won the league by a landslide when messi left

  • @JustALoyalWorker
    @JustALoyalWorker 5 місяців тому +9

    It took me 2 days to prepare myself to not get angry watching this video.

  • @guillo1985
    @guillo1985 4 місяці тому +44

    There is no debate, just an obsession for Ronaldo fans, but they are worlds away. Messi is just the best in history, while Ronaldo is a great player

    • @leomucic
      @leomucic 4 місяці тому +3

      Yup

    • @squidadmiring5398
      @squidadmiring5398 4 місяці тому +2

      no

    • @maaaaaap
      @maaaaaap 4 місяці тому +5

      what d you mean there's no debate? have you visited the internet in the last 20 years? why do some pro footballers say that ronaldo is the greatest, are they just obsessed? you must know so much more about football than them

    • @nsa-iu7ym
      @nsa-iu7ym 4 місяці тому +1

      saying theres no debate under a video titled messi v ronaldo???

    • @yeahyeah9869
      @yeahyeah9869 4 місяці тому +2

      Messi only won the world cup because of the questionable penalties he got which is suspicious 🤔🤔🤔

  • @borgholable
    @borgholable 2 місяці тому +3

    its the most forced debate of all time the answer is so obvious , its so funny messi litterally had to win world cup to end it for good

  • @Apeshit94
    @Apeshit94 5 місяців тому +133

    My preference goes to Ronaldo because I like the effort and determination he puts into physical work. It doesn’t stop me from accepting Messi is a genius

    • @AhmedR7184
      @AhmedR7184 5 місяців тому +5

      Its true for both

    • @val-zod1284
      @val-zod1284 5 місяців тому +85

      This is such a causual take. Anybody that says this doesn't really watch football.

    • @Prasko131
      @Prasko131 5 місяців тому +36

      @@val-zod1284 Most ronaldo fans don't really watch football that's true, they mostly watch highlights only

    • @elliott2193
      @elliott2193 5 місяців тому +32

      This take doesn’t really make sense, it’s not like Messi doesn’t put effort into physical work, he just doesn’t blatantly flash it as much as Ronaldo

    • @Megusta508
      @Megusta508 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@elliott2193he does work hard just not as much as ronaldo, he doesn't need to flash it

  • @Lightning_1995
    @Lightning_1995 5 місяців тому +109

    Ronaldo does incredible things that make people go "wow, that's incredible" but when you watch Messi you're just lost for words.

    • @Blkarican
      @Blkarican 5 місяців тому +11

      nah

    • @kennyhernandez6383
      @kennyhernandez6383 5 місяців тому +12

      Right what Ronaldo does anyone can do. What Messi does it’s locked to him and you rarely see anyone at all replicate the simplest things he does.

    • @aye3678
      @aye3678 5 місяців тому

      Lmao, this is some crazy level of glazing. @@kennyhernandez6383

    • @nutanhattewar5873
      @nutanhattewar5873 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Blkarican "nah" cmon say something what is nah?

    • @distayy
      @distayy 5 місяців тому +6

      I'm lost for words how people still like Messi after robbing the biggest football tournament ever and stealing the golden ball from soo many

  • @saamgibs
    @saamgibs 3 місяці тому +3

    And people still believe Ronaldo’s better. He’s fantastic but no, it’s not close

  • @kjrom
    @kjrom 5 місяців тому +13

    If you compare Cristiano Ronaldo to Luis Suarez stats you are going to get a surprise. Suarez in g+a ratio is superior. If you discount penalties for both players Suarez ratio is vastly superior as he never was the main penalty taker of his teams. Cristiano Ronaldo is in the same category as Luis Suarez, Lewandowski or Angel Di Maria. Messi is above that.

    • @Sajayyz
      @Sajayyz 4 місяці тому

      Clearly false. And ur just hating for no reason. U can't compare the player with the most goals in the HISTORY OF THE FUCKING SPORT to those players. The fact that he has more goals proves he's better. People trust him more to give him those opportunities.

    • @dsavage6618
      @dsavage6618 4 місяці тому

      @@Sajayyz🤣🤦‍♂️

    • @trevorstatham4451
      @trevorstatham4451 Місяць тому

      ​@@SajayyzYou are the problem. You have no argument so you come and yell as proxy to a logical response 😂

    • @S.S.S
      @S.S.S Місяць тому

      Playing 150 more matches

    • @RonaldoxSiu
      @RonaldoxSiu 3 дні тому

      If Cristiano Ronaldo is in the same category as those players, why don't they have any ballon d'ors?

  • @skullxishim
    @skullxishim 5 місяців тому +11

    I really avoid from the topic of Messi vs Ronaldo because to compare these two you would to downplay each others achivements and records. And the "Messi vs Ronaldo" debate has really got very toxic with these fanboys saying pessi or penaldo. Real ones respect both and their greatness and as you said we shoudl appreciate we were able to watch these two play at the same time.

  • @FootcoolHD
    @FootcoolHD 5 місяців тому +48

    Tbh honest in South America the games are a lot harder as you generally play better teams bc in Europe you are playing smaller nations more often eg. In qualifying for competitions you have one other decent team and the others are nations that are not really that good but in South America you are playing teams such as Colombia, Chile and the worst team - Venezuela, are nowhere near as bad as the smaller teams in European qualifying

    • @greeze4685
      @greeze4685 5 місяців тому +3

      bullshit

    • @punchdreadnought8101
      @punchdreadnought8101 5 місяців тому

      Nah, you think team Venezuela from the inflation socialist country is as good as even a mid European team like Ireland Republic ? No wonder you all keep being third world and snorting cocaine.

    • @LucinaMeow
      @LucinaMeow 5 місяців тому +16

      ​@greeze4685 it's not bullshit in almost every European qualifier there are usually 2 teams that are absolutely shit. Like monoca and Liechtenstein or San marino and Luxembourg.

    • @sophieewohaa
      @sophieewohaa 5 місяців тому +8

      And they have to contend with the high altitude.

    • @animal-rights
      @animal-rights 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@greeze4685 there are many more European countries and less American countries in Football
      70% American countries are in Top 50 whereas as only 30 - 40% in Europe are Top 50

  • @user-sc6vf4yc4g
    @user-sc6vf4yc4g 2 місяці тому +4

    There's no debate Messi far away

  • @letsexperienceearth3034
    @letsexperienceearth3034 5 місяців тому +4

    Messi does things that great players wouldn't even consider trying and makes everyone around him better.

  • @DanielJayP1
    @DanielJayP1 5 місяців тому +19

    The debate ended back in 18 dec 22

    • @cbust10
      @cbust10 4 місяці тому +12

      Way before then. That was just the cherry on top 😅

    • @yoyomi6226
      @yoyomi6226 4 місяці тому +1

      It ended in 22 dec 18 winning 3 championships league back to back

    • @mr.jhoan.9326
      @mr.jhoan.9326 4 місяці тому +7

      @@yoyomi6226 In fact, it ended on May 27, 2009 with Messi's goal in the 70th minute, making a certain character cry in their direct confrontation in a Champions League final.

    • @evilnaruto9229
      @evilnaruto9229 3 місяці тому

      Winning 3 champion leagues < Winning 1 world cup@@yoyomi6226

    • @captainfalconmain6576
      @captainfalconmain6576 Місяць тому

      @@mr.jhoan.9326ronaldo didn’t even win the 2018 ball ignore him player if ronaldo is such a goat he would of won the 2018 ballon dor

  • @phillip4807
    @phillip4807 5 місяців тому +4

    Future generations will know it as the "Messi v Ronaldo Era". People will talk about it for decades until the end of the century. But they can never fully fathom how *unreal* this era truly was

    • @Jokerxeno1
      @Jokerxeno1 5 місяців тому +5

      The future generations will only really Ronaldo for the annoying guy who stopped messi from winning 13 ballon dors and 8 champions leagues. In all fairness Ronaldo did really slow down a lot of people from seeing how great Messi really was

    • @cr7hd162
      @cr7hd162 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Jokerxeno1That is completely false saying Ronaldo would only been known as a guy who try to stop messi is disrespect to what Ronaldo has achieved

  • @Jakentosh
    @Jakentosh 5 місяців тому +6

    Cristiano didn't won 5 ballon d'ors for nothing. He IS one of the greats of all time. Nobody can't deny that.
    It just so happen that there is somebody who is far more better than him. Somebody who has achieved everything there is to be achieve, and has done it so majestically.

    • @shaanbirbrring9215
      @shaanbirbrring9215 5 місяців тому

      Well said 👏

    • @anyihe643
      @anyihe643 5 місяців тому +1

      He is born in the wrong time

    • @jetaz8990
      @jetaz8990 4 місяці тому +1

      A player who relies on gifts and krruption, protection from the media to compete vs Ronaldo will never be better than Ronaldo not even in the conversation. Everyone knows how Messi wins 🇦🇷🐀💰💊
      The only competition Ronaldo has is nothing but himself 🤫🐐🇵🇹

    • @rah2f390
      @rah2f390 2 місяці тому +1

      he didn't achieve one thing : to be the greatest in the UCL. Neither the WC

  • @syedmohammadabdullah
    @syedmohammadabdullah 4 місяці тому +4

    it was never really a debate. ronaldo is an absolute beast but with all due respect hes not even close to messi and the goat status

  • @Danil_.
    @Danil_. 5 місяців тому +19

    Why can’t we just appreciate what we have, and we have to compare

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +10

      We can absolutely, that’s what I said end of the video, we won’t get another two like these ever again!

    • @Danil_.
      @Danil_. 5 місяців тому +6

      @@Vizeh correct but I always see these stupid people on twitter saying 🤓 “Messi’s the goat” “Pessi is mid” 🤓 I just want people to appreciate these goats for who they are

    • @namholephuong117
      @namholephuong117 5 місяців тому +1

      It's just human things, mate. We can have opinions, but we also want to force others to have same opinions like us. Hence why the debate even started.

    • @benjaminaraya8073
      @benjaminaraya8073 5 місяців тому

      True, that’s why we see all these pessi, penaldo dog, etc etc. people on twitter.

    • @Lastnameabdi
      @Lastnameabdi 5 місяців тому

      I agree

  • @physics4138
    @physics4138 5 місяців тому +7

    Messi clear not even close

  • @nickhamel8004
    @nickhamel8004 5 місяців тому +5

    Not throwing nadal into the goat debate (as a Federer fan) is wild 😭

  • @skrilla-702
    @skrilla-702 4 місяці тому +9

    There have been so many players better than Ronaldo nobody will accept that

  • @Duval-In-The-Wall
    @Duval-In-The-Wall 5 місяців тому +8

    They hated him because he told the truth 😂

  • @parker-ii7fg
    @parker-ii7fg 5 місяців тому +123

    Marco Van Basten won 3 Ballon Dor's by the age of 27 before his career was sadly cut short due to perpetual injury related issues.
    Had it not been for this, I think he would certainly be a serious contender for the GOAT tag. Perhaps one of the greatest 'What If' scenarios in football history.

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +39

      That’s actually a good shout, thank you for adding that!

    • @dumi2218
      @dumi2218 5 місяців тому +13

      Can add Nazario into same list of "what if"

    • @crobisbobis
      @crobisbobis 5 місяців тому +13

      Messi won 3 before 23 years old..

    • @albertoamazing1
      @albertoamazing1 5 місяців тому +4

      another one could be maradonna without the drugs, or balotelli without... well everything

    • @MaSp345
      @MaSp345 5 місяців тому +1

      Thats true. He had like 300 goals in only 430 matches thats an insane ratio considering he played in a time where defenders had much more freedom

  • @BharatRaghavan08
    @BharatRaghavan08 6 днів тому +1

    They both were above the rest, if you have watched or played ⚽️ I think you’ll know how unique Messi is/was… enjoy them when you can … it’ll all end soon

  • @nanisoreburgerdsuka
    @nanisoreburgerdsuka 5 місяців тому +9

    lets just spit the facts here
    ronaldo need 5 skills to dribble one player
    messi needs 1 skill to dribble 5 players
    tell me this is not facts.
    what a beautiful play created by messi with just one skill

    • @divyanshgurjar-ju4vc
      @divyanshgurjar-ju4vc 5 місяців тому +1

      100 % agreed

    • @Yami1300
      @Yami1300 4 місяці тому

      Dribble is part of football
      Not all of football
      A player can be natural worse than another,but is better if he performs better on the field

    • @user-mm7vm7qk7n
      @user-mm7vm7qk7n 3 місяці тому

      Perfectly said

  • @TomJenkinson-di8eg
    @TomJenkinson-di8eg 5 місяців тому +5

    I prefer to see the goat players as players who didn’t just score or assist but could do anything Gullit, John Charles etc because they could play centre back or you could put em at center forward and they were still world class

  • @diogomelo7897
    @diogomelo7897 5 місяців тому +34

    Two things that really bother me in this discussion is when peole do the talent vs hardwork, and some people whowhen they are going to compare their playstyles, treat Ronaldo like if he was always the number 9 that he became later, ignoring the differences between how he played at United, or even the the first years of Real Madrid. I've also seen people who would treat Messi in a way that to me sounded like they are saying he was always a midfielder, even if during some of his best moments at Barcelona he was playing as a false 9 or a winger, but these are way less common.

    • @peepeepoopoo9453
      @peepeepoopoo9453 5 місяців тому +1

      For real people only think of ronaldo as a 9 but it only played bcoz of an injury and at the end of his careet

    • @arishemthejudge6780
      @arishemthejudge6780 5 місяців тому

      @@peepeepoopoo9453you need to understand that a good majority of people chronically online right now were like 6 years old when ronaldo won his 2nd ucl in 2014. you really start watching the sport properly with understanding from a later age, so they probably werent even properly watching until lockdown. there are many ridiculous takes online which gather thousands of likes but you gotta deal with it. this is still wayy better than the stinking tiktok ball knowledge, thats such horrendous

    • @desmondachocky537
      @desmondachocky537 5 місяців тому +4

      That's why its called a 'False9' fr a reason.He was not playing the traditional number 9 penalty box striking role like fr instance what Haaland or Cr7 in his older years plays like.If at all u watched those barca games under Pep,he still used to drop deep into midfield n link up plays with Xavi n Iniesta all whilst pushing forward in attack n finishing the moves at the back of the net.He only played the false 9 role during the 2011-2012 season when David Villa had that unfortunate knee injury that kept him out fr most of the season n the better part of 2012.Pep on realising that vacuum engineered that ingenious tactic of deploying Messi that false 9 role by taking advantage of Messi's versatility n it worked perfectly.Its the season that Messi ended up with a record breaking of 73 goals in a single season in all competitions n a 91 calendar year goals to his name in 2012.The rest of the seasons he had real number 9 strikers upfront so there was no need fr him to play the false 9 again even though he still outscored those strikers in his teams apart from his Psg stint.In 2013,Villa returned n left in 2014 where Suarez came in and took over that striking mantle and as we know the rest is history.Suarez played with messi till 2020 when he departed n frthe all, that time together he was both the clubs playmaker but still scoring tonnes of goals.From 2005-2009 he hadwas Samuel Etoo as the striker,2010 Ibrahimovich n after the fall out with Pep,Villa took over in 2011.So this narrative that messi has been playing as a false 9 that's why he has many goals is absolute BS! He has been scoring those goals coz he's that good n a genius.

    • @diogomelo7897
      @diogomelo7897 5 місяців тому +2

      @@desmondachocky537 I know that a false 9 is different than a traditional number 9, but a false 9 is still a foward and not a number 10. What I was saying is that at some points, I saw people arguing in Messi's favor that he was scoring all these goals playing as a midfielder, while was Ronaldo was a foward, even though for a good part of his best moments, Messi was playing as a false 9 or a winger, and not as a number 10.
      Of course Messi is a genius, and even if I like Ronaldo more, I recognize he is ahead of him, the point was just about the arguments I've heard in this discussion that bothered me

    • @maxhollowayagenda
      @maxhollowayagenda 5 місяців тому

      yep, this stupid ass myth that inbred ronaldo fans made up, "Ronaldo is all hard work", "Messi is all talent". You ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE both to become an all time great in any sport or ANYTHING in life.

  • @dvwut
    @dvwut 4 місяці тому +4

    Sure they're both great players, everyone is entitled to their opinion on their favourite, but the truth is if you genuinely think Ronaldo is a better or more effective player you need a brain scan. You only have to look at the chances created stat to figure it out. Messi could have half the goals & he would still be better, in Messi's prime which spanned about 9 years, he could pick the ball up from anywhere on the pitch & something would happen, a chance would be created, Ronaldo simply doesn't have this ability, at least at anywhere near the same consistency. Messi is creative genius, Ronaldo doesn't have that, but Messi matches Ronaldo in all other aspects. Messi is literally Maradona if he was also a goalscoring machine.

  • @golemking1506
    @golemking1506 5 місяців тому +5

    Ronaldo is the greatest goal scorer of all time. Messi is the greatest player of all time.

  • @United_Wings
    @United_Wings 5 місяців тому +17

    Do people actually really think its close💀

    • @axesus6966
      @axesus6966 5 місяців тому

      U type of people are the biggest clowns

    • @dsavage6618
      @dsavage6618 4 місяці тому +2

      Only Real Madrid, United fans and Juve fans 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @United_Wings
      @United_Wings 4 місяці тому +7

      @@dsavage6618 I'm a United fan and I know is not even close to Messi

    • @dsavage6618
      @dsavage6618 4 місяці тому +1

      @@United_Wings Smart fan

    • @ronaldoisnotthegoatmessiisgoat
      @ronaldoisnotthegoatmessiisgoat 4 місяці тому

      @@United_Wingsronaldo fans

  • @yashvadher4233
    @yashvadher4233 5 місяців тому +14

    You cannot measure what Messi does on a football pitch by mere statistics. He is simply MORE than just stats. With that being said, his stats ain't that bad are they? 😂 An absolute alien that little magician from Argentina.

    • @shepardice3775
      @shepardice3775 5 місяців тому +3

      That's the thing. Messi is more than the stats but by stats he completely and utterly dominates everyone

    • @zeeo3147
      @zeeo3147 2 місяці тому

      @@shepardice3775facts!

  • @martox3560
    @martox3560 5 місяців тому +8

    I love the argument from Ronaldo fans that the WC importance is diminshing cuz of penalties. Not like Ronaldos actuall most famous things is him being great in CL and him getting an absolute fuckton of penalties (and ofc converting). He is called "penaldo" for a reason.
    Also you can add a "Fifa the best" award to Messi as he won another one just the other day (imo wrongfully considering the voting period).

    • @Md-rb9rv
      @Md-rb9rv 4 місяці тому +2

      Ronaldo scored 6 penalties during his three peat (39 games), Messi had 5 penalties in 7 games. Messi also has scored more penalties than Ronaldo in the national team despite playing less games.

    • @LuManKrix
      @LuManKrix 4 місяці тому

      @@Md-rb9rv cherry picking wont change the fact that Penaldo holds the record for most penalties scored in the history of football

    • @deadbot19
      @deadbot19 4 місяці тому

      we can all agree with martox3560's opinion guys!

  • @202adr
    @202adr 5 місяців тому +36

    Missing some stats like most goals in a season(Messi) and most goals in a champions league run (Ronaldo top 3 spots), But in my eyes Ronaldo makes Messi look that much better and vise versa. There will never be a dominant duo like this for a long time in any sport at one time overshadowing the rest that would have been great if they weren't there. In 2006 and before they were recognized to be at that level, we had rosters of star players for multiple countries. At least 12 countries were stacked. England had their golden era of players, Italy, France, Brazil, Spain, Germany, Portugal with Deco and Luis figo and young C.Ronaldo, Argentina, Uruguay, Netherlands had a crazy roster as well, Mexico had their best roster back the too. Now because of them there are only one player maybe per team that can be at that or close to that star level.

  • @onlyme8249
    @onlyme8249 5 місяців тому +5

    Ronaldo celebrate by suii which symbolize " yes I did it again and again like pro" but Messi celebrate by spreading arms and also Pointing up which symbolize "greatest of all, like god of football it was easy for him"

    • @maaaaaap
      @maaaaaap 4 місяці тому

      so are you telling me Messi is arrogant?

  • @mrmeeseeks2534
    @mrmeeseeks2534 5 місяців тому +5

    Forget nuclear war
    The real war is this comment section

  • @MrMMAJER
    @MrMMAJER 4 місяці тому +17

    There's no debate anymore, It's not 2010 when this was a valid question of:
    "I wonder who'd end up being better when everything is done and said?"
    We already got an answer and it's clearly Messi.
    That's why I really think you can very accurately predict if someone has ball knowledge or not based on who they think is better between the two. Not who they like the most, but who they think is a better footballer. There's not a problem liking Ronaldo more than Messi, but saying he is better than Messi is simply and objectively wrong.
    I mean you can go and check yourselves the stats showed in this video more indepth, and you'll literally see Messi being on top for everything excepting
    Aerial duels
    Headers
    Penalty conversion rate
    I also want to mention that a certain part of both their fanbases are equally stupid.

  • @ccx0040
    @ccx0040 4 місяці тому

    What really baffles me is had one of them not existed, the other one would probably have ended up with more than 10 ballon d'ors

  • @MaestroBlur
    @MaestroBlur 5 місяців тому +10

    In reality the best player, the absolute GOAT is Jonjo Shelvey

  • @matheuslcfc242
    @matheuslcfc242 5 місяців тому +26

    The G.O.A.T debate is done, now we have the F.I.S.H (Finest In Soccer History)

    • @Vizeh
      @Vizeh  5 місяців тому +12

      Olivier Giroud wins that 100%

    • @xylomations
      @xylomations 5 місяців тому

      dont you mean F.I.F.H

    • @ElDragow
      @ElDragow 5 місяців тому +1

      yes, Ronaldo won it.

    • @gerardomalazdrewicz7514
      @gerardomalazdrewicz7514 5 місяців тому +3

      @@ElDragow "Ballons D'Or are good measure"
      Gets outnumbered.
      "Golden Boots are better, stats not votes"
      Gets outnumbered again
      "Trophies with national team better"
      Gets outnumbered and outclassed
      Throws towel, "rivalry is no more" (don't mention goals just in case, don't want to get outnumbered)

    • @qwertyzxccvk
      @qwertyzxccvk 5 місяців тому

      ​@@ElDragowPenalDOG EGONALDO 0 wc knockout goals and 0 playmaker awards international MVP penaldo 😂

  • @gustavoburgos4133
    @gustavoburgos4133 4 місяці тому +12

    Messi is better, it was never a debate

  • @HappyHuman622
    @HappyHuman622 4 місяці тому +2

    Messi clears and the stats n achievements backs it up, it's not really close as ppl say. These are their current stats:
    Most goal contribution of all time is Messi. Messi has 815 goals and 357 assists (1,172 in total g+a) in 1,033 appearances while cr7 has 838 goals and 236 assists (1,080 in total g+a) in 1,168 appearances. Messi has 138 less appearances than cr7 and still performed better
    Messi has 64 freekick goals (cr7 has 60) Messi has 89 outside the box goals (cr7 has 63) Messi has 314 man of the matches (cr7 has 173)
    In all time top 5 leagues stats (in Europe) Messi has 496 goals and 222 assists (718 in total) with 578 appearances, cr7 has 495 goals and 140 assists (635 in total) with 626 appearances
    In all time club (excluding friendlies) Messi has 707 goals and 304 assists (1,011 in total) with 855 appearances. Cr7 has 715 goals and 203 assists (918 in total) with 968 appearances
    Messi and cr7 in la liga (all competitions): Messi with 472 goals and 177 assists (649 in total) with 476 appearances while cr7 has 450 goals and 120 assists (570 in total) with 438 appearances
    H2H games against each other: Messi has 22 goals and 12 assists (34 in total) with 36 appearances (both of them have 36 appearances ofc) cr7 has 21 goals and 1 assists (22 in total) Messi has 16 wins over cr7 while cr7 has 11 wins.
    People like to bring up age about how "at 35 cr7 was a Juventus while Messi is at mls" you have to realize that Messi already completed everything that needed to be completed. Then cr7 fans say that cr7 did better even tho 35 yr old cr7 had 722 goals and 217 assists (939 in total) with 995 appearances while Messi has 769 goals and 331 assists (1,100 in total) with 974 appearances. I don't get why cr7 fans bring up age when it clearly shows that Messi is still better
    Stats at age 36 (since Messi jus turned 36): messi has 807 goals and 357 assists (1,164 in total) with 1,028 appearances while cr7 at 36 had 762 goals and 225 assists (987 in total) with 1043 appearances (this in itself shows that messi is better)
    Btw Messi has 702 goals without pens while cr7 has 686 Goals and assists in finals: messi has 34 goals and
    15 assists (49 in total) while cr7 has 22 goals and 2 assists (24 in total). yet ppl say messi "ghosts" in finals El clásico goals and assists: Messi has 26 goals and 14 assists (40 in total) while cr7 has 18 goals and 1 assist (19 in total)
    Now for awards Messi has over cr7: 8 ballon dors
    7 FIFA world player of the year
    6 golden boot
    2 World Cup golden balls (first ever player to have 2)
    2 copa america golden ball
    1 copa america golden boot
    8 La liga top scorer (pichichi)
    2 Laureus awards (a premier global sporting award. ppl like tiger woods, Usain Bolt, etc have won it)
    6 la liga best player
    7 la liga best forward
    6 world best soccer player
    1 IFFHS Worlds best player
    5 IFFHS world best player
    1 IFFHS worlds best man player of the decade (2011-2020)
    1 IFFHS worlds best playmaker of the decade (2011-2020)
    1 IFFHS worlds best national goal scorer of the decade (2011-2020)
    2 FIFA club World Cup golden ball
    1 FIFA U20 World Cup golden ball
    1 FIFA U20 World Cup golden boot
    Now for team trophies/titles Messi has over cr7:
    12 league titles
    7 domestic cups
    9 domestic super cup
    3 full senior international (1 copa america, 1 finalissima, 1 World Cup)
    2 other official international (1 Olympic gold u23 and FIFA U20 World Cup)
    1 Laureus team of the year
    Messi has 172 overall records while cr7 has 135 overall records
    With all of this info, this shows that Messi is jus better than cr7 even while being younger than cr7 too and playing less games than cr7. There's no problem in liking cr7 but you have to know without being biased