Which Is Right For You? An EV Or a Plug In Hybrid? Kia EV6 & Sportage PHEV Compared
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- If you want to cut your gas consumption you might be considering a plug in hybrid like the Sportage Plug In from Kia, or you might be thinking of taking things to the next level with a full EV like the Kia EV6. If you're debating between EV and PHEV here are the basics you should know. How does range, ground clearance, legroom, cargo room, performance, handling and pricing compare? All that ans more here.
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These side by side comparisons are excellent thanks Alex
We ordered both and when they arrived , we chose the Sportage PHEV SX over the EV6 awd pack 2.
Was a very hard decision but the best for our needs.
Love all of this white color beauty that we got July 5th (13 months to get it) here in Quebec, Canada
I just got the sportage phev and have been loving it!!! I don’t always have access to plug it in, but make every effort to and have only filled the tank once 700 miles in.
It will not inevitably be on the wrong mode, hold down the mode change button for 6 seconds and it will always go back to that mode in the future, so you will always know if it's on volume or temp control
Alex, I was really happy to find this video discussing the EV6 and the Sportage PHEV. While I thought you were overly critical of the differences between the two cars; I liked it because we are in the process of buying both. The EV6 for our “local” car and the Sportage PHEV for our “travel” car. These two cars are aimed at different markets. I think a better comparison of BEV versus PHEV would be between two cars of about the same capacity (people and cargo) and purpose. At least, I think that is what you were intending to do by the title of the video. So, please, don’t think of this as a criticism … but, as a suggestion for a future video.
I absolutely love the current Sportage frontend. Very brave. Looks like something Citroen might have done in years past.
Yes it's cute but it will be a job to clean the front grill.
I appreciate your pragmatic discussion of the tradeoffs between these choices. Thanks!
I just got the new Sportage xline plug in hybrid and love it.
I’m just curious. Does u model have heads-up display? Also How much does it cost full tank?
Considering sportage phev over gt6 even though I loved the gt line interior and futures. Sportage just sounds and looks like the whole package of a convenience comfortable car
@@Bebela1ms no heads up display. It’s an 11.1 gallon gas tank.
I have both, '18 Ford C-Max Hybrid Titanium and a '20 Chevy Bolt Premium EV. Bolt is driven daily while I use the C-Max for longer trips such as driving from Atlanta to Florida to see family.
I owned a 2014 kia soul and that car made me a fan of Kias. However if I was buying a plug in hybrid or EV I’d be looking at one which qualifies for the tax credit. In this price category that would be the Ford Escape PHEV if you are willing to go without the AWD. It would be a lot cheaper than the Sportage and a lot more efficient when driving hybrid. For the EV I’d be considering the ID 4. I like the EV 6 a little more, but if it comes down to money, the ID 4 is a better deal if you qualify for the rebate. Of course with dealerships lack of inventory, and markups, things might not be so straight forward. The Ford Mach E and the TESLA model Y also qualify and are in the same price range for an EV.
The Mach-E has much more style and better materials than the Tesla. A neighbor has an ID.4 and it has better fit and finish than Tesla, but is worse in every other way. The cheapness of the interior is on par with 90s GM. You get what you pay for with the VW and their charging network (Electrify America) is far behind Tesla.
We just bought the sportage phev and are second guessing cool weather commutes
I wanted the ev6, but my wife really wanted something we could roadtrip w a small trailer
That’s me right now 😭 I’m in between both. I love the features of the gt line with the heads up display. I’m just not sure of the interior space and the fact that is full electric.
The 2023 Outlander PHEV has a heat pump and does fast charging via a CHAdeMo port. You should get one of those to try your commute and test the EV only range with only one person in the vehicle.
Yes but a heat pump on a vehicule with a 35 miles range is probably overated. It's more important on a pure EV.
@@haroldsimard7263 I beg to differ. A heat pump on a PHEV enables you to have heat without running the engine and also makes it able to idle and prewarm the vehicle before leaving your house without using gas. As a gas mitigation feature it's one of the most important features of the Outlander. If it's a cold day just running my car for 8 minutes uses as much fuel as it does for me to get to work 10 miles away since eventually the engine can turn off, that would be reduced to zero in the Outlander since there would be no reason to run the gas engine at all.
Very few PHEVs can do that.
@@Snerdles They said in the video that a heat pump cost about 3 times the price of an air conditioning unit. I suppose at least 5 000$. It's include in the price but you paid for it. It's long to save 5 000$ in gazoline just by running at throtul speed.
@@haroldsimard7263 That just can't be true. You can get small BTU heat pumps for houses for a grand. A heat pump is just an air conditioner that has a way to reverse the flow so the hot and cold sides can go backwards wether you want to put heat in a space or take it out.
I have exactly the same phev Sportage in color white, I love everything about it but in winter, specially here in Chicago cabin heat is terrible, it takes forever to really start to feel confortable and of course the gas engine is working and using, well , gas.
Other than that I really love it.
Excellent camera handling, quality and sound quality. Solid production. Content is very helpful too.
I currently own a Jeep Grand Cherokee PHEV. I have been very happy with it. As Jeep’s second PHEV, the GC is put together better than the Wrangler 4xE, but I am still looking forward to a full electric vehicle in the future. I currently pay $.09/kWh during the day and $.05/kWh from 9pm to 5am. This makes electric driving very enticing when compared to the cost of gasoline.
Your electricity fees are very low. In wich juridiction do you live ? State or province ?
@@haroldsimard7263 I live in Oklahoma. I get my electricity from a co-op, and we do pay less than most other utilities in the state.
Thank you for the length/width measurements!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏 Wish you did this on all your reviews!
I’m loving the look of my Kia X-Pro. It’s fire 🔥 I went to get it tinted and both places were impressed with the new design.
Alex, liked your prior video comparing the two vehicles which was excellent. Decided to watch this one with additional info at the end.
I still watched the whole video even though I watched the other one on AoA. I had to watch the extra 7 minutes that were added to this video. Adding another segment to the video is a sneaky way to get loyal Alex fans to watch otherwise identical videos.
THANK YOU!!!
This was very Informative + easy to follow.
Alex.... Please post the full versions, on this channel first.... I refuse to watch it a second time, just for a few minutes of additional footage.... that Is not broken out separately, so it can be easily found...
Can't wait for you to get your hands on the 2023 Prius Prime
Two things I hope you could do in future reviews and even comment on somewhere in this comparison.
1. The actual space between the wheel wells in the rear behind the seats. That distance is really what's limiting your width if you're trying to line up suitcases side by side.
2. As close as you can get to "all highway" range with real world testing. I'd be curious to see how much the EV6 loses in that game vs the Sportage PHEV.
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The PHEV Sportage is more practical than the EV6.
Hi Alex, I really enjoy your videos and most assuredly value your reviews and opinions. I had a question related to range comparisons....
Are the range numbers listed using 100% battery usage? If I understand what most manufacturers typically recommend, the user would not go below 20% of rated capacity nor charge to above 80% of rated capacity, if the if the owner wanted to preserve your battery would be about 60% of that listed. Assuming a linear range profile with capacity (not 100% realistic I'm sure), wouldn't it make sense to list both the manufacturer spec range and what the user could likely expect in day to day operation?
Thanks!
For a plugin hybrid it will switch to hybrid mode somewhere in the 15 to 20% range so it can never hit 0 unless you run out of gas. The engineers will slightly overprovision the battery so that when it says 100% and stops charging it will be closer to 96% of the actual capacity which is how they can offer things like 8 year battery warranties.
For an EV, yes you'd generally only charge it when you get down to 40-50% but they usually have the same provisioning at the top end so 100% isn't technically the limit of the full battery capacity, but yes you'd want to avoid going in to low charge states as much as possible and if you were going to park it for a few weeks you'd want to leave it in the 50-80 range not at full or near dead.
Last week there were 7 on the lot under list at Suntrup Kia in St Louis. I have seen several around town. More than ID4s even.
I have a PHEV Niro, 2020..... It does not put out enough heat in the winter without putting the vehicle into the HEV mode. Just idling the engine never gets hot enough when the outside Ambiant temp is 25 or lower. I find myself putting the Niro into HEV mod in the morning to bring the engine up to full temp as soon as I leave the garage, then switching to EV mode for the remainder of my commute (about 36 miles one way).
I have noticed that the car will force its self into HEV mode on very cold morning, say around -10 and lower..... then I am never able to switch into EV mode at all.
Just an FYI, I also wish it had alternative means of eating the cabing, along with the ability to preheat the cabin before I need to use it.
I’m interested in a PHEV but feel that a lot of people have been turned off due to companies like Toyota and Dodge/Jeep/Ram fighting electrification for years. While there are many passionate EV adopters there are many people against them and many who can’t afford an EV for the size vehicle they need. Hopefully PHEVs fit a role for them. Plus there are a ton of people who are in apts/condos where EVs won’t work. I think that to get beyond 25% adoption we need mass production of higher capacity Solid State Batteries that are smaller and lighter than current batteries. I would love to see PHEVs big SUVs and Trucks get 80 miles of Range while pure EVs would get 500 range at much more affordable prices. Toyota May have lead with the Prius but they have dragged their feet for last 6 years. At this point there should be PHEV version of the Tundra and Sienna with 50 miles range.
Another excellent review! Thanks so much.
Headroom, styling, $$ all make the PHEV Sportage a no-brainer. But Hyundai/Kia need to get their dealers to stop the price gouging "market adjustments" that are driving a lot of people to Tesla. Ford is bad, too. Both my local dealers have $20k tacked on top of the MSRP of their Lightnings, making the cheapest one $101,544 USD.
Hey Alex, are you going to test the EV6 at the Tesla Supercharger now that they are starting to open up? According to the Tesla charger site (March 2, 2023), the King's Village Supercharger in Scott's Valley is now allowing non-Tesla charging.
Also wondering how that works
is this the same video as the one on Alex On Autos?
Yes. But I’m watching it again!
Didn't I see this video last week?
EDIT: Oh, it's a repost from the other channel. Nothing wrong with that of course, I was just confused for a moment.
Alex.... Please post the full versions, on this channel first.... I refuse to watch it a second time, just for an additional 6 minutes of footage.... that you don't break out separately, so it can be easily found...
I can tell you that we pay out the nose for electricity in Connecticut. It is comparably very expensive here.
Happy Saturday everyone ✌️ have a good one....
Seeing the EV6 in person it looks like an oversized hatchback, almost like an optical illusion.
I’m thinking a regular regeneration hybrid would be my choice or full EV.
Please compare Mach E vs Escape plug-in
I typically keep my new car till its end of life. My concern is that both the turbo and hybrid technology are very expensive to repair! EV are equally if not more expensive to repair.
Turbo and hybrid tech had the kinks worked out three decades ago. I wouldn't use either as a reason to not buy a vehicle. I have a 2005 F350 Powerstroke with 253k miles. I've replaced the tube that funnels air to the turbo twice, but the turbo itself is original.
Depends which hybrid you buy. Toyotas hybrids have been shown statistically to be more reliable then their ICE counterparts along with power cost of ownership. They are more complex and yes the battery is fairly expensive to replace but they've been shown to last usually over 300,000 miles when taken care of properly (namely keeping hybrid air vent filter clean which many people forget). EV batteries in comparison are far more expensive to replace 😬
@@Noah_E I know a guy had to replace the turbo twice on his F250 luckily under warranty! Now he is contemplating to keep or not to keep the truck when its out of warranty.
It makes no sense to put heat pump in PHEV. Electric power is only for propulsion. Reject heat is efficient to heat cabin. Let battery drives the vehicle and engine to charge and heat the cabin. That is optimal operation.
At ~31.52 you say PHEV is not charged completely.
While it might be true on discharge front as we cannot discharge the battery completely, as around ~10% is always left as reserve before gasoline kicks in; on the charging front we do always charge it to 100%.
Or is it that "charging to 100%" i.e vehicle showing 100% does not mean we are charging to 100% battery capacity?
Are the BEVs charging completely? I thought many of them have a reserve that protects the battery.
All have reserve. Tesla uses more of the capacity for range but cost of life time.
A little confused with some of the jargon being used. I think the Sportage is a PHEV but some of the comparison charts indicate HEV?? Typically, PHEV means one needs to plug-in to get full utilization of the electrical drive portion. My understanding is that with HEV’s the on-board computer controls the charging/discharging cycle of the battery. What’s the cost comparison between HEV and PHEV. Thanks for the video. Overall, a good comparison between the two. Personally, I prefer an ‘SUV’ over a “sedan”. Battery technology really needs to improve before there will be a larger portion of the population going full EV. Cost of full EV’s are just too high and the impact on mining and processing battery materials never seems to be considered when looking at the overall impact on the earth’s environment. Thanks again.
The Sportage has EV and HEV modes. The charts are calculating each mode separately. Technically you could go 100% EV in the Sportage PHEV. It all depends on the commute and driving style.
Alex, hearing that many PHEV are rarely charged by there owners, the range is less than stated, and the gas engine has more pollution that stated…
The claim that many owners don't charge them is from a study that included fleet vehicles where the companies bought them did so for the tax rebates of having 'green' vehicles. Personal owners generally understand that charging the battery is required for the benefit.
The pollution claims are kind of silly. Sure if you don't plug it in then it won't run in EV mode as much and then it's basically the same thing as a hybrid anyway, but has a couple hundred pounds of extra weight due to the larger battery.
Mine the range is more than stated in the city and less than stated on the highway. It's the same with the people who claim MPG ratings on gas vehicles aren't achievable but people get or beat them all the time. If you replicate the testing conditions you'll get the same range, if you drive it like you stole it, you won't.
@@Snerdles There have been studies about the pollution and low range, carrying two sets of systems seems counterintuitive
@@vancity2349 except it is still using far less fuel than a gas or hybrid equivalent. It's not counterintuitive at all. It runs in EV mode for any short range trip mitigating the gas and then runs as a hybrid when the battery is low. If you think it's reasonable for hybrids to exist the is simply that hybrid that uses less gas overall.
There have been numerous studies on how often PHEVs are charged? many PHEVs were designed to get a tax credit and to increase the performance, and have a very short EV range.... Those types of PHEVs are almost never charged...... while PHEVs with an EV range of 50 miles or more tend to be charged on a regular basis.... Sportage PHEV, splits the difference....
plus parallel PHEVs create much more pollution, while they're running.... since they are constantly starting and stopping.... an engine has to reach operating temperature to run efficiently and for a pollution control device to operate, such as a catalytic converter.... studies have proven this is the case and it's just common sense....
a very small range extender ie Series PHEV.... is a much more effective compromise.... since it's designed to operate for a much more continuous period of time, such as for long trips or towing.... Which is what I'm hoping the Ram REV will offer....
Speaking of counterintuitive, EV6 is way heavier than Stortage Phev
I feel a plug in hybrid should at least get 50 miles on battery alone before jumping from traditional hybrid.
I watch your channel religiously for its EXCELLENT (!!) reviews of various vehicles / topics. HOWEVER, in this particular review, I WAS MOST DISAPPOINTED that YOU could NOT come to a conclusion as to which of the two (2) types of vehicles would be the best way to go. If YOU cannot offer any conclusive / decisive insight then a review like this is infinitely less than insightful and simply NOT worth doing.
You're asking for someone else to decide for YOUR needs and wants!?
Everyone’s needs are different. What is best for him is not necessarily best for everyone. He’s giving you the facts. It’s still up to you to make your own decision based on the information he provides you.
Everyone’s needs are different. What is best for him is not necessarily best for everyone. He’s giving you the facts. It’s still up to you to make your own decision based on the information he provides you.
Considering there's not nearly enough rare earth minerals on the planet for people to drive EVs the responsible and pragmatic thing to do would be to buy a hybrid or PHEV. Especially with these 1st gen EVs that will become quickly depreciated when solid state batteries come by end of this decade.
rare earth minerals? Like what? BEVs are now produced with none of them.... such as with LFP batteries....
1st gen BEVs???? BEVs are over 100 years old.... new vehicles having new technology , which depreciates old models.... Is nothing new
So good luck with your horse and doggy....
@@nc3826 Lithium , graphite, nickel, cobalt, copper are all rare earth elements. Most deposits of lithium are low grade (low concentration) not viable for extraction. While NFP batteries have some pros they still use lithium, are heavier (less energy dense), less cost effective to recycle and perform worse in extreme temperatures. Also EVs being significantly heavier then ICE vehicles wear tires quicker and increase wear on roads (both negatives environmentally). Until significantly more efficient battery technology becomes mainstream (along with a sustainable charging infrastructure along with far better charging rates) hybrids and PHEVs make the most sensed this decade. If this is over your head watch the South Park episode where smug people driving Prius' while smelling their own farts 🤣
significantly more efficient battery technology???? Go check out the efficiency of the heat engine...
😂😂it doesn’t need to be efficient because it has a lot more energy on board.
it doesn’t need to be efficient.... because it has a lot more Pollution on board. 😂😂
It’s a factor, just ask a pick up truck with a 100 gallon gas tank 😂
I must admit that I don't understand the point of this channel, Alex. You posted mostly the same video on your regular channel 3 days ago. So, what's the point? In the past, you didn't have a 'Diesel Buyer's Guide' channel or a 'Stick Shift Buyer's Guide' channel or anything else. At the end of the day, as an automotive journalist don't you want to present motor vehicle reviews to all your fans, regardless of what the propulsion source is? According to KBB, 5.8% of new car sales in 2022 were EVs. Although the market share of EVs is growing, that's still a minor share of the market. You make great content, but why make it harder on yourself than you have to?
We discovered that the audiences overlap, but not as much as we had thought at the start. So we are trying to find the balance on content that works on both channels vs content that should only go on one.