Homeoblock update - Why I stopped my treatment.
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- Опубліковано 6 лис 2024
- You guys have been asking for an update for a long time since I made my first Homeoblock video, sorry it took so long - also sorry the audio quality isn't the best. I am sure there are many things I missed out but here is a quick update about why i have (unfortunately) had to stop using the device for now.
Currently I am considering using a regular acrylic splint to wear whilst sleeping, just to bring my jaw forward a few mm.
Please remember these are just my experiences, not advice etc.
You can watch my first Homeoblock video here - • Homeoblock progress vi...
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I had the same problem with one tooth hurting that had the clasp on it. So my doc had a modified Homeoblock made that moved the clasp back one tooth, and no more pain. That's one solution to the clasp hurting a tooth.
How old are you? And did you get improvements with your face and cheekbones ?
Hey Stephen, just wanted to check in and see how everything has been in regards to your overall health. I’m dealing with some very similar issues. Have you been able to get back into the gym?
mse expantion이나 alf appliance 는 9:20 고려 대상이 아닌가요? 또는 dna appliance는? 개인적으론 mse가 적당해 버인다. 뼈의 드라마틱한 골격적 변화를 위해서는요.
Thanks for the update, sorry that things didn’t go that well. Did they give you a refund? Would love to hear about the acrylic splint and how it effects you. This might have convinced me to start with the acrylic splint
Thanks for watching! No refund no, although when I did first start, they did say if it doesn't work they would create a different device that pushes your teeth forward at the front, to allow more space, but I don't think the results are as effective and it has other risks i.e loose teeth etc.. ( sorry I cannot remember the name of it, there are a few out there ) Unfortunately I started my treatment in the US and then switched to the UK too, so the US dentist is actually happy to try and adjust it for me still, but I think it would cost a lot, and the travel over there from the UK to NY is super pricey, but with covid etc travelling isn't so easy. So I can't really fault the dentist for it, when he is offering to take a look, if that makes any sense? lol
I am still waiting to hear back about the acrylic splint as it's a specific one for sleeping in that keeps your jaw forward, which is the difficulty with sleeping devices. I think the UK dentist is supposed to be trying this out currently and then letting me know, although I am going to chase that up now, could be a good salutation for some people and much less intrusive ( and expensive )
@@kitkat3138 A tanner?
Thanks so much for this video. Love the down to earth review. I’ve just had mine fitted a couple of days ago and have not had an apnea either of the nights.. so far am happy, it’s good not to have unrealistic expectations though!
Your face looks amazingly healthy and wide , do you feel the HB improved it?
Hey, thanks for watching and the kind comment. Sounds like you are already getting an instant change which is great news! Unfortunately I don't think it changed my face during the time I used it no, I was told at the beginning though that I didn't have a super narrow palette or anything, like some people who have the treatment do, which I guess would give some people better results faster maybe too. Keep me posted along the journey and good luck!
@@stephenhopkinson3080 thanks so much for your reply Stephen, will
defo keep you posted! You’re blessed to have a beautifully structured face - mine was totally ruined by an nhs ortho so have pinned my hopes on this appliance to reverse the damage a bit. The sleep apnea seems to have completely stopped so far.
Downside is it’s impossible to talk in the appliance! haha
@@5dsoulhello! Have you noticed any differences with it thus far?
@@joegreene7746 a huge difference already, the whole shape of my face has changed ! And I haven’t even been using it religiously. I’m stunned and feel already there is hope for me. The past trauma is all melting away from my bad orthodontic treatment. I sleep better and don’t wake with apnea any more either. It is a revelation. Thank you so much for checking in!
Hi. So glad i came across this, literally in the same boat, 7/8 years of issues. What are your next steps, visual? Tongue tie release? Let me know if you still use your Instagram I will Dm you on there mate
How’s it going? Same issues with tmd I need expansion.
Really appreciate this video - so useful
Dr Belfor's office mentioned that there are 3 places in the UK that use the Homeoblock - 2 of them up north where I live: Townhall Dental in Brighouse and Cote Royd in Huddersfield
Did you check both out and do you have any thoughts as to how they compare?
Hey, it's funny you should ask that, at the time when I started, Town Hall dental was the only place in the UK ( and my physio works along side him so recommended him for the treatment) . But before that, I tried some other dental routes ( as far as about 10 years before maybe ) and I used to go to Dr Jon Roberts for the treatment, which was Cote Royd! I have no idea that other places in the UK had started doing the treatment now though, that's great. How do they compare in price? And Yeah I used to like Cote Royd dental when I went :)
@@stephenhopkinson3080 Thanks for the reply. I'll get back to you on treatement prices - I left messages with both just yesterday! Apparently both Jon and someone called Dr. Sebastien Louis Lomas did the training in Homeoblock in the US at the same time. I've been going to CR for around 10 years too for me and my family :)
BTW have you checked out JawHacks the YT channel? He is pro bone to bone expansion and very against tooth borne expansion partly for some of the reasons that you seem to have encountered
Please don’t get the HB. It’s caused me huge problems
The adjustments really need to be made every 4-5 weeks. I am not sure why Hblock and DNA providers suggest patients adjust every 2 weeks. That is very risky and can tip teeth.
Also - if you have a tongue tie, get it cut before you attempt any sort of oral device.
Yeah they seem to have been changing the adjustment period / time a lot and still playing around with it so it started getting confusing. I did have my tongue tie cut initially but it was very minor and healed back up. I was tempted to get a much deeper cut towards the end of the journey, when I wasn't getting results, but I started seeing there was actually some risky effects to having it cut too deep too, plus it was just getting ridiculously expensive and was another grand or so for the next cut, I was way too fed up by that stage.
They put your block on the right, but it clearly should have gone on the left. I think that's why it didn't work.
Thanks for providing an update on your experience and sorry that it hasn't gone as planned!
I'm ~3 months in and have expanded 1.5 mm (3 turns) with no problems so far and wear it on average probably around 10-12 hours a day. I have no way of knowing if the expansion I'm getting is actually skeletal or if my teeth are just tipping outwards, but I'll definitely heed the warnings you provided here and pay very close attention to whether any of my teeth are becoming loose. I haven't felt any sort of distinct pain, but I have felt on occasion a bit of extra pressure on the tooth you described as well as its counterpart on the opposite side of my mouth. It does feel like the appliance differentially pushes on those two teeth. Hopefully it won't cause me any similar problems to force me to stop its usage.
Very interesting thank you for sharing your experience so far! Definitely keep me posted throughout :) I know what you mean though, getting the movement / expansion was a hopeful feeling, but I could never help wondering if it was individual teeth moving or whether it was maxilla expansion, so at some stage, if you keep getting good results, a scan might be a really good way to know? Hopefully you are still managing pain free!
How are you doing these days?
Any updates on your case?
mate, thanks for this post. If i were you I would check out Functional Patterns. It has done wonders for my posture.
Thanks for watching, I will take a look!
Thank you for the video Stephen. I have been using the Homeoblock for about 10 days now. How many hours did you wear the Homeoblock each day? The recommended amount is no more than 16.
Hey Jude. Hmm if i'm being completely honest I can't actually remember how many hours I was told to wear it for now as it was a little while ago, but i know the protocol was changing pretty consistently from other people. I think.. mine was 8-10 hours( don't quote me on that though) whilst sleeping and I had a different dental device to wear for a few hours through the day that was less important. how's your progress?
@@stephenhopkinson3080 I have just started my second month, I will make the second turn in a few days. You're right. The protocol is not exact for everyone. Now the recommendation seems to to be 10-16 hours per day. My doctor recommended two to three weeks. As for my case, three weeks specifically.
@@JudersonJeanBaptiste Can you please share your progress ?
@@arvindramesh2283 Hi I am only about two months into the treatment. So, progress, if any, is too negligible to notice at the momoment.
@@justanotherday3241hey, have you noticed any benefits so far?
Have considered going to someone in postural restoration?
Hey, yeah, that's kind of how I got to the homeoblock :) I started PRI and similar things about.. god I hate to even think about how many years it has been now, but the physio thinks the bite issue is potentially the road block stopping me from being able to progress. It's definitely a tricky one! Have you been having much luck with PRI? it's pretty incredible stuff!
@@stephenhopkinson3080 So far getting the tongue to the roof of my mouth (specially he posterior tongue, or final third) and the splint has helped get my back to let go. But my pri guy say my neck is lighting up like a fire cracker still will probably be getting a homeoblock and my tongue tie removed. Have to go get a 15x15 ct scan of my cranium first. Will have to fly to London as only place that has one in Ireland and UK but worth it in the end if it fixes everything.
@@ApexTrader12 Sounds very similar to me, very minor tongue tie here too, and the homeo block I was also hoping would allow my neck to let go. Out of curiosity who is the practitioner you use? And yeah I think my scan was in London ( CT Dent I think it was?) What kind of splint are you using at the moment?
@@stephenhopkinson3080 I'm seeing Mark Higgins. He operates in London and Leeds. He is a Postural Restoration Specialist. Would get a homeoblock without doing it in conjunction with one. I'm using an acrylic splint at the moment. You could also maybe need to see a behavioural optician or maybe need pri orthotics to fix the neck and back
Sorry, correction. It's Martin Higgins
Hey mate, I am using the homeoblock and love it. Seeing unreal expansion.
Your orthodontist told you one turn every 2 weeks? That is way too conservative and you will see such slow results. And obviously the slower the result the more difficult to stick with it. Most homeoblock practitioners recommend 1 turn a week.
Personally I am turning it 4 times a day (1mm) and feels great. But I am having it in 24 hours. Just take it out to eat (twice a day) and sleep with it.
If I could turn it 4 times a day you could easily turn it once or twice a day.
Once your tooth feels better, should give it another crack, You could see rapid progress if you turn it at least a turn a day. Good luck
Holy wow that's incredible! Please be very careful turning it 4 x a day ( not that I can say anything, seeing as I didn't get good results lol ) but I am under the impression that bone remodelling is a very slow process. The problem I have was from potentially expanding too fast it started expanding by pushing the teeth out ( maybe) instead of working the way it was supposed to i.e it started moving the teeth independently of the maxilla unfortunately.
Maybe one turn on my device was a little different to the one you have? I have been speaking to someone else with the device that can only turn it once every couple of months, and whilst that is quite extreme, 4 x a day does sound like a lot.
My instructions came from Dr Belfor, who as far as I am aware is the creator of the homeoblock. But I know in the year ish time that I used the homeoblock, the protocol they advised did change throughout. So maybe they have changed it to 4 x a day now?
But yes you also pointed out some good points there I was only wearing mine for sleeping (8 hours, sometimes I would wear it an extra hour or 2 after waking ) so maybe that's the reason why?
I would love to be kept up to date on your results long term and when you come off the device if you are happy to keep me and everyone else updated?
May I ask how old you are too? ( I am under the impression bone remodelling is quicker for younger people )
Also have you had a scan done since to show the expansion of the maxilla?
Also how long into the treatment are you now?
Sorry for all the questions but I am very interested!
Yes I would love to try again, but I would need to pay for another one fitting from scratch at this stage, unfortunately my old one just wasn't fitting right no matter how we adjusted it :(
Thanks for commenting and good luck :)
@@stephenhopkinson3080 I would not recommend anyone to turn it 4 x a day haha That is 1mm per day. Im experimenting and therefore happy to try it out. Its very fast, if I take out the device for longer than a few hours it cant fit again. I am basically wearing it all day and while I sleep.
I mentioned 4 times a day to show you what's possible, once again not recommending I'm a little crazy ha. I think 1 turn a day would be super easy (0.25mm). 1 turn per week is far too slow.
Yes, I had all the scans and photos. My tongue was nowhere near fitting on my palate, My left canine was crowded. I am 34.
But I only eat once or twice a day at the moment so my body can adapt and heal much faster.
I am hoping at this speed, 1mm per day I can be done by the end of the month haha
if not easily by end of March.
Happy to come back and report how I did. If I forget send me a message and Ill reply.
If the results are as crazy as I think they will be Ill post a reddit thread with photos.
The homeoblock is expensive. If you need to buy another one, instead you could look into
"bracesshop" and look at their custom removable palate expanders. I would include a link but youtube deletes my comment.
@@David-fv2hj what are the main differences you are seeing? I am about to get one and so excited. are you seeing physical differences at all ?
@@raeganadams7067 Hey, yeah so I can fit more of my tongue at the roof of my palate. My palate is getting deeper and wider. My cheekbones are much larger and pronounced. Cant wait until I have expanded to what our ancestors were. High 40s low 50mm's intermolar width as described by john mew.
I accidentally broke it so had to get if fixed. To do that they had to make a dental impression mold. Now I have the perfect "before" model of my teeth and palate. Now I can get a 2nd mold when done and measure the before and after. Finally convince people its not teeth tipping like everyone believes.
@@Joy-ge5fe i have not tried any other appliance. I am very happy with the homeoblock so may be worth look into this. Teeth grinding can have many causes. You may have TMJ misalignment..go see a gonstead chiro that can check and align your jaw if needed. Magnesium deficiency can cause teeth grinding in some cases.. Also parasitic infections can cause teeth grinding at night- food grade diatamaceous earth is the best product for that..
Goos luck
Did you consider orthognatic surgery?
It's not something I have looked into no, at this point I couldn't afford anything like that unfortunately