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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- How MSE expands the maxilla, cheekbones and nasal volume.
MSE = maxillary skeletal expander = Won Moon expander
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I dont know if ur aware but you are a global leader in this subject.
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Soooo glad I found this channel!! I had 5 years of braces that jacked my face up when I was 7-11...headgear and all the works. Now I'm a horrid mouth breather with dey mouth and chronic sinus infections. I thought being 31 it was too late for me but your results are super inspiring. Keep the information coming.
espero que encuentres solucion tio, al igual que yo
Omg ditto
Good luck, all the best.
Give me your contact number
Have you started treatment?
This demo is so helpful, I keep coming back to it.
Good work Ronald I think you have a great channel 👍
What's up man I'm a big fan.
A combination of your videos and Ronalds videos gave me a good plan to assess my current facial situation.
@@spiscold50 saaame, thanx to both of them!
Extremely excellent video on this subject. You went so far as to describe DOME as well. I would only recommend if you were to update this video or modify anything, is to include screenshots of each of these treatment modalities that you mention. I like the fact you used the appropriate model as well. Just note that you mentioned splitting the skull* when you're just splitting the jaw* toward the end. Just a minor taxonomy correction. This gave me a better understanding of these processes so when I do a follow-up with my own doctors, I know what questions to ask. I may reach out in the future about a project I'm working on related to all of this :)
Update on this?
great video thank you sir
This was an exceptional presentation. Thank you.
Great job!!! Love the visuals. Keep up the great work👍🏻
I need to widen my jaw without jaw surgery this is something I would love to try
Great explanations! Thank you.
Soft Tissue nose surgery cannot compare to moving the bone to make more room in your nose. This was a helpful quote for me as I'm trying to decide between an expander (again, had one around age 12) or septoplasty.
Thanks man, great info!
Something else I would say Ronald, is that you talk a lot about nasal volume being restricted by the size of the cavity.
Another cause of airway restriction is a weak tongue which is low in the mouth - encroaching the airway.
You can improve your airway through myofunctional therapy and shifting the mandible forward. As well.
Great channel!
He mews regardless
Awesome +1
Ultimately, MSE is a rather unknown, irreversible procedure.
Much of the benefit of MSE can be obtained naturally through self-discipline and time -- _without_ all the risk.
i am personally looking into MSE because i want to reopen my recently extracted wisdom tooth sockets and place implants there to stave off the bone-loss, and secondary to that i have UARS, so i believe the procedure is an unusual compliment for me... for most ppl i would rather think it beneficial to take your advice
My question with this would be what happens with the septum? Does it stay perfectly in the middle? What if it swings to one side of the split? - that would be a huge issue
Thank you, that was very helpful
Thank you for explaining, new subscriber
Hey man ! I am really considering getting MSE as I have teeth marks on my tongue due to my pallet being too narrow. I just started using CPAP for my sleep apnea (I'm pretty fit, was very surprised that I had it) My question is, I have a severly deviated septum and was wondering if I should get the MSE or Septoplasty first? Thank you so much
I had MSE done as part of my brace procedure for my open bite. It didn't seem to expand my maxilla that much considering there was no teeth gap happening and no change in my facial appearance. I'm happy with the results though as I have no open bite anymore
Are you able to breathe better or No?
How much did it cost?
I have both problems of cross bite and open bite together....
For Cross bite correction, i have to expand upper jaw..... Today my dentist wear me expander to my upper jaw...... Pray for me...
How long your treatment time??
your open bite gap was _?__nm...?
Hey there! i have had braces, premolar extractions and wisdom teeth removed, do you think the best option is MSE? Im a 2 hr drive to Dr. Bockow so considering seeing them
Ok so what is the difference between MSE, SARPE and SARME? Also if the nasal cavity is expanded does it make the nose wider? What happens with the gap? Doe is regrow somehow?
I'm DEF Doin this in the future
How does the expansion of the maxilla affect the external aesthetics of the nose? As a woman I don't really want my nose to look wider or taller.
Hi have you carried on with mewing? Just wondered if you were happy with results. There seems to very few women to ask
wide noses (to an extent) are more attractive
you will breathe better and it will most likely look better not worse
Hello I got 2 premolars extractions on the Upper and 2 premolars extractions on the bottom teeth due to orthodontics. If I expand my maxillary with that device can I replace my extracted premolars?
I'm so going to get this done... drastic, but some days I just feel miserable not being able to breathe
Cost and age??
Considering doing this
Im 20 and think most of my stuff has fused
I want to continue the growth i missed out on as a teen
Please do one on DNA appliance & Homeoblock
This model isnt right tho because it acts as if the cheekbones are only connected to the maxilla, when in reality they are connected to the other long bone that goes horizontally along each side of your skull. And those bones then connect to other bones. So how would the cheekbones move without every single bone in your skull moving?
Would controlled arch braces work in a similar way?
Obviously not in splitting the suture;
But encouraging bone remodelling and growth along the maxilla suture
I hope you can answer this as I have seen it being talked about many times in your comment section, can you do anything about the Interpupillary Distance? Does MSE do that at a young enough age? Do you have to assist this with puncturing nasal sutures?
Different people have analyzed my photos and seem to believe that Yes, my interpupillary distance has increased. I cannot confirm.
@@JawHacks thanks a lot, I am really interested in a 1 on 1 consultation, but what methods for payment do you offer?
god I need this so bad
Great information. Now wouldn't that separate the two incisors?
Is there a MARPE device/procedure that can push the upper palate forward?
Once side of my mouth is an underbite and the other side crosses over my bottom teeth to extend out. Unfortunately this also means that side ended up too high because it was hitting the lower teeth, but I guess that’s a separate issue.
I want to extend the side of my face that has an underbite. Can this be done while fixing top-bottom cuspid alignment at the same time?
You said that it's been life-changing - how so? Also, once the separation occurs, I assume the device can be removed after a certain period of time? Or does some kind of retainer always need to be worn on some kind of basis?
From what I've heard you need to keep the screws in for about 6 months for new bone to form, so that the space created remains.
Thinks for the Information
PLease talk more about MARPE and SARPE because it seems they are more prevalent around in Europe
So you are breaking your skull
Precisely.
Better than agga, lol, it actually expands the maxilla and not just move the teeth. I wonder what’s available to expand the mandible.
@@Bhiladpy-up9uy probably only and still BSSO because mandible is a single bone
How much is mse
Aye jason!!! Still waiting for that apology for killing my friends.
In the “dome” procedure you claim it’s done to guarantee that the mid palate suture separates. But a draw back is that it doesn’t allow for mid face expansion.
What is the reason for cutting the zygoma, if you’re really just after “assuring the palatal suture gets split?
Seems like a better, and less invasive, procedure would be to just do 1/3 of the “dome procedure”... just surgically split the palatal suture and leave the zygoma bones alone.
Super late reply, but let me clear this up. The main benefit of DOME isn't to overcome the resistance of the mid-palated suture, It's to overcome the structural resistances of the skull itself. And you don't cut this zygoma, you cut the maxilla with a cut called LeFort 1.
But how does the arch of the mandible compensate with a wider upper arch?
I wore a pallate expander when I was 21 for a couple of years and it messed up my palalle. I had a even pallate before I wore it. It caused my pallate to be uneven with the left side wider than the right and the arm of the expander cut into the roof of my mouth and left a permanent knot on the right side where its more narrow. I have been unhappy about this so long. I don`t know what to do or where to go so I can this fixed. Every oral surgeon I go to want to charge me for a consult and never help me and I get nowhere with orthodontic consultations either because they tell me they don`t put expanders on adults or they wont expand it so it will be even on both sides. The issue is the uneveness is really bothering me and I want something done to make my pallate symmetrical again. The places I go to dont listen and want to do anything for me and I hate that I am stuck like this because it was not like this before. I feel like I get the run around everywhere I go and ripped off and charged for nothing. Do you have any suggestions?
What about rapid maxillary expander? Is it the same or different? Really want Ronnie before my appointment
I had mma surgery without expansion and don't like my outcome. Is this something that can be done after this type of surgery? I have plates on each side of nose.
Can someone please tell me what is the difference between mse with dome and fex sarpe procedure? Is it the same? I am confused.
I dont understand why they cant just surgically split the maxilla down the middle and not the sides. Wouldnt that ensure midface development for everyone?
I live here in NYC, where would you recommend getting a consultation and possibly getting the appliance installed?
You should totally do it! I see Dr. Newaz and just got my MSE installed and my suture split and it’s life changing!!! I’m telling everyone about it!!
Can an hyrax expander work well like an MSE or it will work slowier than MSE?.
Does anyone know if the most posterior part of the zygomatic arch (just infront of the ear) widens at all with mse? Any rough estimations of how much they widen with a typical mse procedure? (Standard/average amount of expansion say 8mm when settled)
So, you expanded the maxilla by 1 cm. What about the centimeter cavity that appeared after that? Do you now just have a large cavity / crack in the middle of the upper jaw ( like on 1:10 )? Does it feel? Does it interfere? Or is it overgrown with cartilage / a new bone has formed in this place?
In 6-12 months the split will fill with boney material. The MSE has to stay in until this happens. That's why my MSE is still in.
This is similar double jaw surgery where a large section of the maxilla is pretty much cut off of the face and repositioned in place with metal plates, and then heals into a solid, contiguous piece of bone in 6-12 months.
I started Myofunctional therapy and told them I’m considering mse. And they said my intermolar width is 44mm so I don’t need it. But it really doesn’t feel that wide.
I'm probably going to get cranial-maxilla surgery this year in order to widen my moper jaw, which is a little narrower than my mandible (mainly on one side), so I have a bit of a cross bite. I also have trouble breathing properly and snore. Is this the same as MSE? Also, does such expansion give you a visibly widened nose? I'm happy with my nose which isn't wide.
WIDE NOSES ARE BETTER
Another question, if you get the suture splitted, can soft mewing boost the expansion process?
Hello, I have nly one question and would really appreciate it if anyone answers. Can MSE make wisdom teeth grow? all teeth should be functional, I dont want to extract them.
Hello, I hope you can answer my question. I am 21 years old, can I enlarge my maxilla with the appliance?
How do we find dentists that MSE and what type MSE is the best. I google MSE but I cant find a dentist near that uses it. All they have is AGG
Is the MSE annoying? Does it hurt the tongue? Does it affect of daily life?
Very good. I'm also interested in mse expansion.
Crazy stuff, splitting open sutures... I don’t know if I’m willing to risk damage like that despite me suffering from mouth breathing during the hay fever season.
Where can I get MSE + facial mask treatment in London?
Hi, I got MSE about a month ago and the left side of the roof of my mouth is very swollen and painful. I have to take ibuprofen every 6 hours. Is this normal? Also any suggestions on alleviating the swelling? please help
is MARPE going to get me more airway volume as MSE, is it worth to get the MARPE because it' sthe only procedure avialable in my Country!
I mew but only one side grew, can I use MSE to correct this?
What do you think about Homeoblock?
Where did you get your skull I want one ?
I wonder if the suture will grow new bone to close when the expansion stops?
Does the bone grow in after expansion? Or, does this weaken the jaws and face permanently?
Have you read about dentists/orthodontists removing adult teeth to make room?
I had braces in my early teenage years. They removed 4 adult teeth which screwed my jaws up, made me a horrible mouth breather, with chronic sinus issues.
Now I am trying to determine whether I want to do MSE or EASE. And possibly add back the 4 adult teeth with implants.
So maddening how dentists, orthodontists, and even the modern soft food diet (see the book Breath) has messed our jaws up.
I need that little skul!!
I wish you didn’t have to do so much cutting and surgery for this. My wisdom teeth are soooo close to being able to come in, and they are poking out with no pain. I used to get really congested and now it’s not so bad. I wish I knew about this as a child. I’ve been chewing tough foods and gum, but I know it won’t really be able to do too much to the bones.
Do you need a headgear with MSE?, I have narrow pallet with overbite.
I’m 27, I’m getting a palatal expander on and I hope it’s the type 2 like you say so I can get nasal relief too
What is type 2 expander ?
what about facial aesthetics? Wouldn't this also widen the nose and decrease upper lip tissue volume, both side effects that more often than not negatively effect most peoples appearance?
I'm also curious about this. I'm all for broadening my arch, maxilla, cheekbones etc. But wouldn't want any adverse effects with the rest of my face.
I agree, I’ve had rhinoplasty … I real let wouldn’t want my nose wider or for their to be adverse affects on my nose doing this
My maxilla is Weakend in the suture but also over die 4 Front teeth just unser the nose. Not trough just Weakend.
Will be the midface expand? I cant really tell. If its allready happened. Iam still in the hospital.
You live in MA? I'm also in Boston. Where are some MSE providers in the area?
would love to know what AGGA does at this level of depth and clarity
Unfortunately no one knows exactly what the AGGA mechanism is. It's some combination of tooth pushing, tooth tipping, alveolar bone pushing, and remodeling. Mostly the first 3.
One thing is for sure: don't believe a word you hear from the AGGA providers.
Hi, I’m going to Dr Ting, but he only wants to do a 6mm expansion, so at the end my imw will be 45mm. Should I ask him if I can expand 8mm or 10mm
45 mm is enough
Does the DNA appliance & Homeoblock work similarly?
@Michael Bisping good luck you space cowboy
Crazy stuff, splitting open sutures... I don’t know if I’m willing to risk damage like that despite me suffering from mouth breathing during the hay fever season.
I think I’ll give much chewing a try.
@Abdullah Yusuf Nope. Just lots of issues with allergies.
What the difference between MARPE and miniscrew hyrax expander? Anyone know?
I didn’t get it , ist normal to put it or it’s dangerous???
OK So when the Maxilla splits does the skin on the roof of the mouth tear as well? Very informative thankyou
I think it doesn't. Skin is much more flexible and just stretches and prob some tissue might grow to compensate the stretch.
What Is the space created by the splitting of suture replaced by ?What about the effects of MSE of the structural integrity of the skull?
The space is filled in with new bone. Research distraction osteogenesis to find out how
Where can we purchase a skull model like that one?
Hey Ronald! What would you say the possibility is for an adult male (32 yo) to get a split if corticopuncture is done? I am getting an MSE installed in 4 weeks and will have corticopuncture done during installation. Does this ensure a split for the most part? Hoping to not have a failed device. Thanks!
Also, I might like to do an interview with you when I'm done expanding for the education of UA-camrs with my experience.
I see it has been over 8 months since you commented.
Hows it going?
Is the suture expanding your midface?
How many months have you been expanding?
Update?
Are you still alive?
he's dead.
there's blood... everywhere
@@Retrofire-47 😖
So after agga youve got a imw of 37mm?
So, it looks like the cheekbones are getting higher set too
Hi Ronald, must a diastema always appear during maxillary expansion? my expansion is almost complete and i dont see a diastema. but my cheekbones are definitely more noticeable. my nose kinda looks the same
Do you expand with MSE ?
You didn’t see a diastema because you had a lot of teeth probably. Most of us got badly effected by extractions so we are gonna get gaps. Me for example, I only have 24 teeth and I’m 18
How are you now?
Is It ok for adult? Where to buy it?
So once it's done youre permanently left with a spilt open gap at the bone-level ?? Generally speaking doesnt that mean less structural integrity if you were to consider the skull or at least the lower half as a single piece?
Boney material fills in the split in 6 months to a year.
@@JawHacks interesting
Did you have a tongue tie at all before you started mewing?
I got a triangular face shape... was thinking about this treatment whike i have ny braces.. it ok..?
Ok I am sold where can I get one ?
Despite having a small palate I was able to make mewing a habit. However my tongue touches my molars.. Should i keep doing this and eventually does my palate expand? I'm also considering going for a MSE treatment here in japan in the future.
mewing is nothing to mse, especially at adults,
Did u go
did the mse make your nose aesthetically wider ?
I just got my appliance installed yesterday (Tuesday) and my ortho office doesn’t open back up to give me my key and do the first turn until this coming Monday. Will that be too late to start turning the expansion?
Why would it be too late? Did you have a cortical puncture done? If you did, just make sure you start turning before that all heals (1-2 weeks max).
Do you go to an ENT or a MyoFunctional therapist to install it?
Hi someone knows if MSE could be do before bimaxillary surgery?
Could splitting the maxillary suture have any negative side effects? Would it pose any kind of danger if one tried to split it using the force of their thumbs(similarly to MSE) without pushing on the teeth?
Kiss Ármin Some people have done that lol, I think it may risk failing to expand upper part of maxilla + assymetric expansion.
One MSE expansion failed because one screw was not drilled far into the bone and failed to expand upper part of maxilla, the titan screw turned out to be very bent. Dr Won Moon showed it in his presentation.
If u expand slowly there should not be any problems. Check online shop from germany-braces shop. They make removable expander and same results as here described. And u will save so much money. I am so happy with my results. I paid for both mandible and maxilla and shipping 400€
@@AF-uc2bd has this worked for you, doesnt expander just push your teeth forward? Tipping outwards!
@@AF-uc2bdwhat age are you? And did you have any issues putting the appliances in yourself?
what happens to the aesthetic of the nose??
Hi Ronald been watching your videos for a while. What do you think of thumb pulling for palatal expansion? The technique basically consists in using your thumbs to create an arch-like movement that exerts force outwards making -in theory- your palate wider. Would love to read your thoughts on this, thanks.
It wouldn't work, the duration of the force wouldn't be maintainable for long enough to have an effect
@@rennymiller1711 I split my suture and got a huge diastama, whatever you say buddy
Who should I talk to for mse options tho? My dentist?
Hi. Can I ask about Ma
MSE. I have potruding teeth around 12mm. I have 4 premolar extractions. I was never happy about that. I still have my 2 wisdom tooth. Can I suggest my ortho to do MSE after closing the gap and retract premolar to make my smile wider and not have a chin recession? What should I do. I do not want to have long face
Can u update us?
Can you make a video about the dome.