I am extremely excited about this but I hope a 4 long tools version becomes available in the future. It's awesome that the design is getting improved. 😀
It sounds like while it only 'officially' can handle 2 long tools, you can actually fit more with no modification in the right combination. Basically, If you put a long blade next to another long tool, it should fit without touching the pliers
@SILVERF0X13 yeah, I seen a video about that. A file, Saw and a optional knife is what I was hoping for and that's exactly what you can do with it. I am thinking about putting the bit driver in my pocket tool pouch and putting the phillips in with a few other tools, so I can have the most in the multitool and take them out and put the bit driver when I need to use the bits I carry. I carry a Victorinox Rambler, so I don't need scissors on the Flex.
This thoughtful examination is why I follow this channel. I’ve known about the GOAT for a bit now and was and am excited about the Roxon news. But you help steer me back towards the GOAT solely on the ability to break it down to clean it. Thanks
@foxbritten I’m liking my goat very much but I can’t recommend it to everyone in its current form. I probably have about 60 goat videos. I try to show everything about it.
great comparison. Thank you. I have had my G.O.A.T. for quite a while now (months.... a year?) and carry it everywhere, and I am more than pleased with it. My one suggestion would actually be to increase the capacity of the long implements to four per side/handle instead of the current two. The sleeve comes with a pouch to house the extra tools but it would be so convenient not to have to switch them around as often. As the amount of tool options increases in the marketplace, so too will the amount of space needed in the sleeve. The other feature I would add would be a flashlight of some kind that could be mounted on the scale beside the pocket clip. If it could rotate off of the hex pin (as its anchor point) and shed some area light (versus "aimed" task light) and use one of those button batteries it would save me having to use two different tools sometimes. :-)
Both look pretty decent and worth getting. I wish they had interchangeable plier heads like the old Gerber Multi-Plier 650 Evolution. I bought one, and the different heads, over 20 years ago and now they discontinued it. Another thing I like is having an attachment where you can swap out different saw blades from the shorter jig saw to the larger and longer Sawzall blades. It's nice to be able to swap out a short metal cutting blade, to a longer nine-inch Skil Sawzall Ugly blade for cutting tree limbs. Keep up the great work.
Another good thing about the modular open-source mt is that you can potentially upgrade a tool to a higher quality steel, e.g. Magnacut blade, titanium tools, etc. I do wish that the Flex came with the large scissors for which Roxon is famous. Love the scissors on my M2 and KS2.
Love my GOAT bc I can remove blades for more useful tools. I have a small fixed blade, so no reason for anything more. A blade-less multitool also means I take take it through security, though I'll definitely be stopped and questioned about it.
👍🏼good vid. I couldn’t live chat for some reason. I’m loving my GOAT. It had a couple minor issues but I worked thru them. Michael O’Donnell seems to care very much about his product and has always been very responsive to my emails. I think he was a regular guy that wanted a customizable tool so he did it himself from nothing. The roxon looks pretty good but I can’t buy multiple multitools so I’m gonna stay loyal to goat and try to support the “little guy”. I was searching for a long time and not happy with forking out my hard earned money on what was available. Until I discovered the goat. Thanks Mavlvl! Very glad I took a chance on the goat.
@@maxlvledc Honestly I wouldn’t see the reason to buy another Leatherman if they keep creeping up the price for no reason, considering it should be a blue collar tool. I’d rather buy a base platform from Roxon and having all the implements at cheap. Buying them in bulk and can replace them as they break instead of sending them for weeks. It just wouldn’t make sense to buy Leatherman to be honest. Goat tool didn’t catch because it didn’t get support behind it. Roxon is already well established and can get all the support needed.
@@clintwestwood3539if something breaks on the goat, I think you just send them a picture and they send you a new whatever broke. AND they encourage modding and I think still honor their warranty. Nobody does that.
@clintwestwood3539 I don’t see my first comment. If something breaks on the goat they send you a new whatever broke. And they encourage modding and supposedly still honor their warranty. Nobody does that.
@@andrewfett142 I get the warranty, you probably don't get what I mean. I use my tools. And by use I mean that I do really use them to the fully extent, over 12 hours per day, every day, six days per week. They break. It's not a big deal. That's why tools are cheap since you can easily replace them. We own a construction company and we go through hand tools in bulk per each site. That's the whole point tho. I cannot wait weeks (even if it was a week but it never was since I sent back to Leatherman multiple tools across over 15 years of buying them and in Europe there is no European support for it, there was a Leatherman sub in Germany but now it's closed so you have to ship it into the USA which takes a freaking lot of time, usually multiple weeks as I was saying) and you stay without which is against the reasoning to have a multitool in the first place. A multitool is there to make your life easier and do stuff quicker. If I break off a pry head while prying who cares, I'll jam in the plier head and pry with that if I need to do it quickly. Then I can replace it. That's what I meant that if you can buy in bulk replacement parts instead of relying on a warranty it's way better. Like way way better. Anyone truly using them will tell you the same, especially if they are not based in the USA. Let me remind you that the USA population is less than 5% of the world's population. This means that the same reasoning will apply to over 90% of the world's population. Take blue collar in proportion in both and you'll get the same results proportionally. Anyway, that was my thought. I gave you some context here. If Roxon, being already supported, can pull it off, I'm closing in with Leatherman since it won't really matter anything they release (if I want a Magnacut in my pocket, I'd rather have a Native 5 that I know being perfectly heat treated over any Arc and any future release). At the same time, Leatherman can't really pull anything new at that point besides some niche tools for EMS/Outdoorsmen since blue collar would be way better off something that can have cheap parts in bulk to replace even by day. I'd rather use and abuse the tool in my belt for any dirty work (I hammered multiple times like a Cro Magnon with the Surge for example, even tho it doesn't have a "striking hammer". I just use the tool as a rock, it works. If it breaks a part, I'd rather just replace it myself) instead of relying on a warranty that takes time, it slows me down and negates any benefit that a multitool has. I hope this gives context. Cheers.
@@maxlvledc I assumed a 1/4" driver could replace 2 other tools? I don't see myself ever needing an awl or a nail file. I don't see myself ever needing a can opener either since most of them have pull tabs these days.
Quite honestly I think the GOAT, at least for me, has been a failure. I do think the scalpel and bit driver are good, scissors also... But not particularly outstanding. For example, the Bibury driver can lock into two positions, the SOG and GERBER have good drivers that IMO are outstanding (depending on the tool). Gerber also has some good scalpel blades... GOAT has many problems: The tools fall out, the Pliers cutter is useless, Some tools refuse to lock... Even as a first effort I find it abysmal. I was going to have the tool looked at before I realized so many people were having similar issues. I just think they jumped the gun. The Roxon looks much better designed, especially the locking mechanism and the fanning design for the tools. My point is, Roxon has some Karmic currency (for lack of a better description) at least from how you describe it, to claim a true design for modular open source that can execute. Knowing your knowledge of these tools I confess maybe I am missing something here. But my experience with the GOAT has been what it has been and disaster comes to mind as a useful description.
I really liked the GOAT when it came on the scene, but every reviewer I have seen fumbles with the selection change when swapping out selections. Or it does not always lock well and has to be reseated in order to do so. Not something a would be consumer wants to see. I am anxiously awaiting hands on reviews of the Flex to see how it fairs. I’m done with Leatherman; they can go pound sand even if they bring their own modular offering.
Really liking the modular multi tools. Currently shopping for my first one since like 2004. One thing I’d like to see if the like the free system where everything is one handed, and the modularity. One handed operation and faster deployment are probably my top two things to look for.
This tool holds a lot of promise but needs two things: a 1/4-inch bit driver, not a 4mm bit driver. Also needs 4 long tools at a minimum, not just 2. All decent leatherman clones now have 4 long tools and 1/4-inch bit driver which hold a bit without requiring the extra attachment at the end. If Roxon keeps up with the major implement trends of our day, they will lead the market. I will wait for the improved v2 version of the Flex.
I got the Roxon with the blade that can be swapped out and I love it. So very comfortable in the hand. The only problem with it is I like it so much I don't think I would want to upgrade to the Flex.
A lot of bright futures for these two companies, as a farmer this is a product I'm happy to have bits break since I can just replace it. The Goat is great for the hamer and bit driver the moment roxon has that then in switching
very informative, thanks. I think my ideal toolset for the roxon would be blade and saw for the long tools, then sub a micro screwdriver for the pull cutter, and a short version of scissors for the file. love the wide chisel/pry bar. I'd honestly be willing to give up the bottle opener and awl for a corkscrew that accepts all the SAK tinder/ferro rod combos. also, can openers get a lot of shade these days, but I won't spend my money on a multitool that doesn't have one, because in the remote possibility I'm ever in an emergency situation, I want to always be able to get into canned foods
Goat... I really like the GOAT and I agree it needs to be a much better steel (durability) all around and at a minimum 154cm blade steel. S35vn would rock... Offer in budget and a higher end version, but not in the stratosphere like the new Leatherman... at $200+ I'm fully out. A little carbon fiber or quality aluminum in strategic places would assist with weight.
Any idea when the Roxon will be available? I can't imagine this thing not being a hit... Being able to build your own based on what you want or need, without settling for whatever combos THEY thought the market would need. Baller move, on their part.
I hope to see you going to more knif/gun/outdoor shows in the near future it's always such a treat to see the new hot tools coming to the market anyway great video dom
For those of us who want more extra long implements, I’d love to see an option to increase the number of total implements from 4 - 5 per handle to 6 - 7 implements per handle. The extra long implements can have finger nicks at the tip to pull them out.
I'd love to see a version without the pliers, i.e., a single-handle, halftool, T4 or Armbar style. Two full-length slots plus several shorter slots at either end of the handle, each end fanning out in opposite directions. Also would LOVE to see a small LED coin-cell light on the scale that doesn't house the mechanisms - the ergonomics of the extra panel can't be denied, but might as well make good use of that space! Speaking of which, tweezers + toothpick + pen while we're eyeing up that scale? Final thought - large scissors like the rest of the Roxon lineup is an absolute must! Would be a shame to stray from their major differentiator AFAIC.
Hi Dom, Whilst I love the concept of the Flex the only 2 long tools would be a deal breaker for me. Neither the Goat or Roxon are an option for me at present as Amazon doesn't really work here 🇿🇦😢. I'll stick with my Surge 😊.
I like the way both of these are going. I work on boilers and chillers so what i need at the top of a ladder isnt what every one else needs. Mainly a bit driver and a small flat head thin shank screwdriver. Control set screws for wiring are small ( 1/8 maybe) and about 1/2 inch resessed into the terminal block. A small wrench would ne nice as well. I have a griaitus one that works well but has no other useful tool on it .
I've had my G.O.A.T. tool for a half a year now and love it. Only thing I've wanted is a better belt sheath to hold two leatherman bit kits, a the TLL ratchet driver and the tool. If I could improve anything on the G.O.A.T. would be to make it a little longer and put a longer head plier in it, along with a better cutout for cutting wire. I own a number of Multitools, mostly Leatherman and SOG but then I'm old and have been buying them over the last 30 years. It's interesting now that the original Leatherman patent has expired to see what will be made.
Two things wrong with Roxon bit drivers😅: they use 4mm, not the larger quarter inch. This is a deal breaker for me. The other thing wrong with Roxon bit drivers is that they require a separate adapter (socket) to be attached. Almost all big-name companies today make quarter-inch one-piece bit drivers that do not require having to carry the bit kit. The MT is carried with the double-ended bit already in the bit driver with the MT in the closed position.
6:25 .. the separate cut out for the oking lug being OFF CENTRE like that, gives it MASSIVELY more leverage to lock securely!! .. I'm guessing 300 to 400% more locking power.!!
Right off the bat, it looks way better than GOAT, but I'm not a fan of the curved/flared design. Sure, it looks comfortable to hold as pliers but it looks like it would be annoying to put in my pocket.
Why they all have to be plier-based?🧐 why can't any company just make a SAK like modular MT. you know who should do it? Ruike, with their pre-existing LD-** models. that whole series of MTs are basically layers and layers of tool being added on to a LD-11 pocket knife with screws(made with good budget materials too). they should've just start selling individual tool-layers-packs and screw sets, It would be a hit.
I did not like the GOAT one little bit. The looks, the ergos, it just doesn’t look good at all. The Flex looks great. Can’t wait to grab one for work. I can’t have my leatherman on me, and it’s perfect, but I can’t have a blade. This will be sweet.
Honestly tho I’d be happier with a tool where I need a tool to change the implements. This “quick change” stuff is a novelty/gimmick. MOST people will deck out their multitool with what they want and carry it for months. Who is this quick change actually for? The electrician that has to go fishing after work? Really think about it. Everyone reading this will fine tune their tool then leave it alone. I’d rather have a more positive connection and less parts. That lock/unlock switch on the Roxon is so dumb. Leatherman uses geometry to keep its tools in. That’s premium. Just put a flush flat head cammed screw to lock and unlock the tools, maybe something that can be turned with a coin. I’m just not over here switching out the tools every day and neither are you. The novelty will wear off quick.
I have no idea how, but hopefully someone can figure out a way to fit the Victorinox scissors into the Flex. That would make the tool absolutely perfect.
Leatherman is still the king. The thing is the modular MT market is niche. Most people are accommodated with a few select tools. Most people don’t give a shit if it’s a warnclif drop point or clip point. It the knife cuts then it cuts. Appealing to niche markets has to be done with great care. The only reason MTs like the signal are allowed to exist is the outdoor sector is huge. The fact of the matter is every new MT LM releases competes against every other MT in their lineup and needs to be priced accordingly. In top of that they’re established firmly in Portland Oregon which is incredibly expensive to operate in. I think if LM would want to go for the “modular market” they should focus on making replacement implements that are compatible with a multitude of their locking mechanisms and selling them in kits or packs.
I know this will go against the grain here, but, I think modular multitools are a fad or, at best, will always be a tiny niche market. There's just too much room for non modular tools to be better, given the inherent sacrifices needed to make a tool modular. And too many of the perceived advantages of a modular tool don't actually pan out, practically.
I don't care about the false-positive high spirit comments. Only real life experince will tell how good is the S804 Flex. Do not trash talk Leatherman, because after the Goat tool Leatherman somehow still in buisness.
I am extremely excited about this but I hope a 4 long tools version becomes available in the future. It's awesome that the design is getting improved. 😀
It sounds like while it only 'officially' can handle 2 long tools, you can actually fit more with no modification in the right combination. Basically, If you put a long blade next to another long tool, it should fit without touching the pliers
@SILVERF0X13 yeah, I seen a video about that. A file, Saw and a optional knife is what I was hoping for and that's exactly what you can do with it. I am thinking about putting the bit driver in my pocket tool pouch and putting the phillips in with a few other tools, so I can have the most in the multitool and take them out and put the bit driver when I need to use the bits I carry. I carry a Victorinox Rambler, so I don't need scissors on the Flex.
Roxon appears to have a very good understanding of ergonomics
It’s a Swiss Tool X but so customizable it’s nuts. I’d hope it’s ergonomic.
This thoughtful examination is why I follow this channel. I’ve known about the GOAT for a bit now and was and am excited about the Roxon news. But you help steer me back towards the GOAT solely on the ability to break it down to clean it. Thanks
@foxbritten I’m liking my goat very much but I can’t recommend it to everyone in its current form.
I probably have about 60 goat videos. I try to show everything about it.
great comparison. Thank you. I have had my G.O.A.T. for quite a while now (months.... a year?) and carry it everywhere, and I am more than pleased with it. My one suggestion would actually be to increase the capacity of the long implements to four per side/handle instead of the current two. The sleeve comes with a pouch to house the extra tools but it would be so convenient not to have to switch them around as often. As the amount of tool options increases in the marketplace, so too will the amount of space needed in the sleeve. The other feature I would add would be a flashlight of some kind that could be mounted on the scale beside the pocket clip. If it could rotate off of the hex pin (as its anchor point) and shed some area light (versus "aimed" task light) and use one of those button batteries it would save me having to use two different tools sometimes. :-)
@AndreFavron 👍🏼
Both look pretty decent and worth getting. I wish they had interchangeable plier heads like the old Gerber Multi-Plier 650 Evolution. I bought one, and the different heads, over 20 years ago and now they discontinued it. Another thing I like is having an attachment where you can swap out different saw blades from the shorter jig saw to the larger and longer Sawzall blades. It's nice to be able to swap out a short metal cutting blade, to a longer nine-inch Skil Sawzall Ugly blade for cutting tree limbs. Keep up the great work.
Another good thing about the modular open-source mt is that you can potentially upgrade a tool to a higher quality steel, e.g. Magnacut blade, titanium tools, etc.
I do wish that the Flex came with the large scissors for which Roxon is famous. Love the scissors on my M2 and KS2.
Maybe that will be an option later...
Love my GOAT bc I can remove blades for more useful tools. I have a small fixed blade, so no reason for anything more. A blade-less multitool also means I take take it through security, though I'll definitely be stopped and questioned about it.
Nice intro review/comparison. Looking forward to the physical review as well. Thanks.
👍🏼good vid. I couldn’t live chat for some reason.
I’m loving my GOAT. It had a couple minor issues but I worked thru them. Michael O’Donnell seems to care very much about his product and has always been very responsive to my emails. I think he was a regular guy that wanted a customizable tool so he did it himself from nothing. The roxon looks pretty good but I can’t buy multiple multitools so I’m gonna stay loyal to goat and try to support the “little guy”.
I was searching for a long time and not happy with forking out my hard earned money on what was available. Until I discovered the goat. Thanks Mavlvl! Very glad I took a chance on the goat.
If Roxon can do it well, I’m done with Leatherman.
Seems a bit extreme, but I can understand
@@maxlvledc Honestly I wouldn’t see the reason to buy another Leatherman if they keep creeping up the price for no reason, considering it should be a blue collar tool.
I’d rather buy a base platform from Roxon and having all the implements at cheap. Buying them in bulk and can replace them as they break instead of sending them for weeks.
It just wouldn’t make sense to buy Leatherman to be honest. Goat tool didn’t catch because it didn’t get support behind it. Roxon is already well established and can get all the support needed.
@@clintwestwood3539if something breaks on the goat, I think you just send them a picture and they send you a new whatever broke. AND they encourage modding and I think still honor their warranty. Nobody does that.
@clintwestwood3539 I don’t see my first comment. If something breaks on the goat they send you a new whatever broke. And they encourage modding and supposedly still honor their warranty. Nobody does that.
@@andrewfett142 I get the warranty, you probably don't get what I mean. I use my tools. And by use I mean that I do really use them to the fully extent, over 12 hours per day, every day, six days per week. They break.
It's not a big deal. That's why tools are cheap since you can easily replace them. We own a construction company and we go through hand tools in bulk per each site.
That's the whole point tho. I cannot wait weeks (even if it was a week but it never was since I sent back to Leatherman multiple tools across over 15 years of buying them and in Europe there is no European support for it, there was a Leatherman sub in Germany but now it's closed so you have to ship it into the USA which takes a freaking lot of time, usually multiple weeks as I was saying) and you stay without which is against the reasoning to have a multitool in the first place.
A multitool is there to make your life easier and do stuff quicker. If I break off a pry head while prying who cares, I'll jam in the plier head and pry with that if I need to do it quickly. Then I can replace it.
That's what I meant that if you can buy in bulk replacement parts instead of relying on a warranty it's way better. Like way way better. Anyone truly using them will tell you the same, especially if they are not based in the USA.
Let me remind you that the USA population is less than 5% of the world's population. This means that the same reasoning will apply to over 90% of the world's population. Take blue collar in proportion in both and you'll get the same results proportionally.
Anyway, that was my thought. I gave you some context here. If Roxon, being already supported, can pull it off, I'm closing in with Leatherman since it won't really matter anything they release (if I want a Magnacut in my pocket, I'd rather have a Native 5 that I know being perfectly heat treated over any Arc and any future release). At the same time, Leatherman can't really pull anything new at that point besides some niche tools for EMS/Outdoorsmen since blue collar would be way better off something that can have cheap parts in bulk to replace even by day. I'd rather use and abuse the tool in my belt for any dirty work (I hammered multiple times like a Cro Magnon with the Surge for example, even tho it doesn't have a "striking hammer". I just use the tool as a rock, it works. If it breaks a part, I'd rather just replace it myself) instead of relying on a warranty that takes time, it slows me down and negates any benefit that a multitool has.
I hope this gives context. Cheers.
I hope Roxon creates a standard 1/4” bit holder for the Flex.
Agree
4mm yes, 1/4 seems quite difficult in the space they have available.
@@maxlvledc it would be nice if they integrated a 1/4 hex cut out in the handles just like some Victorinox RangerGrip models
@@maxlvledc I assumed a 1/4" driver could replace 2 other tools? I don't see myself ever needing an awl or a nail file. I don't see myself ever needing a can opener either since most of them have pull tabs these days.
Absolutely necessary... I don't really want a multi tool without one except the Spirit which imo is in a class by itself.
Quite honestly I think the GOAT, at least for me, has been a failure. I do think the scalpel and bit driver are good, scissors also... But not particularly outstanding. For example, the Bibury driver can lock into two positions, the SOG and GERBER have good drivers that IMO are outstanding (depending on the tool). Gerber also has some good scalpel blades...
GOAT has many problems: The tools fall out, the Pliers cutter is useless, Some tools refuse to lock... Even as a first effort I find it abysmal. I was going to have the tool looked at before I realized so many people were having similar issues. I just think they jumped the gun. The Roxon looks much better designed, especially the locking mechanism and the fanning design for the tools.
My point is, Roxon has some Karmic currency (for lack of a better description) at least from how you describe it, to claim a true design for modular open source that can execute. Knowing your knowledge of these tools I confess maybe I am missing something here. But my experience with the GOAT has been what it has been and disaster comes to mind as a useful description.
I really liked the GOAT when it came on the scene, but every reviewer I have seen fumbles with the selection change when swapping out selections. Or it does not always lock well and has to be reseated in order to do so. Not something a would be consumer wants to see. I am anxiously awaiting hands on reviews of the Flex to see how it fairs. I’m done with Leatherman; they can go pound sand even if they bring their own modular offering.
Really liking the modular multi tools. Currently shopping for my first one since like 2004. One thing I’d like to see if the like the free system where everything is one handed, and the modularity. One handed operation and faster deployment are probably my top two things to look for.
the roxon is very one hand friendly.
@@maxlvledc oh cool… well that changes things. Here I thought I was settled on the Leatherman arc lol.
My goat is pretty good one handed except the short middle tools. O, I recently got thumbstuds for it. 🙂
This tool holds a lot of promise but needs two things: a 1/4-inch bit driver, not a 4mm bit driver. Also needs 4 long tools at a minimum, not just 2. All decent leatherman clones now have 4 long tools and 1/4-inch bit driver which hold a bit without requiring the extra attachment at the end. If Roxon keeps up with the major implement trends of our day, they will lead the market. I will wait for the improved v2 version of the Flex.
I got the Roxon with the blade that can be swapped out and I love it. So very comfortable in the hand. The only problem with it is I like it so much I don't think I would want to upgrade to the Flex.
wow, thats quite a statement
A lot of bright futures for these two companies, as a farmer this is a product I'm happy to have bits break since I can just replace it. The Goat is great for the hamer and bit driver the moment roxon has that then in switching
very informative, thanks. I think my ideal toolset for the roxon would be blade and saw for the long tools, then sub a micro screwdriver for the pull cutter, and a short version of scissors for the file. love the wide chisel/pry bar. I'd honestly be willing to give up the bottle opener and awl for a corkscrew that accepts all the SAK tinder/ferro rod combos. also, can openers get a lot of shade these days, but I won't spend my money on a multitool that doesn't have one, because in the remote possibility I'm ever in an emergency situation, I want to always be able to get into canned foods
The GOAT has a non-locking blades option too, no other tools matter now 💕💕
True
👍Thanks Dom. Very informative 😊
I just ordered a flex about a week ago and they have the option for the bit driver now I ordered one
Goat... I really like the GOAT and I agree it needs to be a much better steel (durability) all around and at a minimum 154cm blade steel. S35vn would rock... Offer in budget and a higher end version, but not in the stratosphere like the new Leatherman... at $200+ I'm fully out. A little carbon fiber or quality aluminum in strategic places would assist with weight.
Any idea when the Roxon will be available? I can't imagine this thing not being a hit... Being able to build your own based on what you want or need, without settling for whatever combos THEY thought the market would need. Baller move, on their part.
mid year
@@maxlvledc But... I want it NOOOOOOOW....
@@SquireSCA it's good that it's not coming out till mid-year because it gives them more time to work out the bugs and refine the design.
Roxon now has a 1/4 tool. I just ordered mine and got one with it.
I hope to see you going to more knif/gun/outdoor shows in the near future it's always such a treat to see the new hot tools coming to the market anyway great video dom
For those of us who want more extra long implements, I’d love to see an option to increase the number of total implements from 4 - 5 per handle to 6 - 7 implements per handle. The extra long implements can have finger nicks at the tip to pull them out.
Love your channel!!🥰
I'd love to see a version without the pliers, i.e., a single-handle, halftool, T4 or Armbar style. Two full-length slots plus several shorter slots at either end of the handle, each end fanning out in opposite directions.
Also would LOVE to see a small LED coin-cell light on the scale that doesn't house the mechanisms - the ergonomics of the extra panel can't be denied, but might as well make good use of that space! Speaking of which, tweezers + toothpick + pen while we're eyeing up that scale?
Final thought - large scissors like the rest of the Roxon lineup is an absolute must! Would be a shame to stray from their major differentiator AFAIC.
I would like to see the plier be modular with different heads… like a scissor, sheers, etc…
the GOAT will be
Wait, what? When?
@@maxlvledcThat is good to hear. I need to get a bladeless multi-tool with scissors that I can bring to work.
@@afoolishman12 I'd like it to be tonight! I'd order it right now.
Hi Dom, Whilst I love the concept of the Flex the only 2 long tools would be a deal breaker for me. Neither the Goat or Roxon are an option for me at present as Amazon doesn't really work here 🇿🇦😢. I'll stick with my Surge 😊.
Is the goat on Amazon? I think only from goat website.
@@andrewfett142👍Yup you are correct, but Goat won't ship here either 🇿🇦
I like the way both of these are going. I work on boilers and chillers so what i need at the top of a ladder isnt what every one else needs. Mainly a bit driver and a small flat head thin shank screwdriver. Control set screws for wiring are small ( 1/8 maybe) and about 1/2 inch resessed into the terminal block.
A small wrench would ne nice as well. I have a griaitus one that works well but has no other useful tool on it .
can you switch the small tools from one to the other?
I've had my G.O.A.T. tool for a half a year now and love it. Only thing I've wanted is a better belt sheath to hold two leatherman bit kits, a the TLL ratchet driver and the tool. If I could improve anything on the G.O.A.T. would be to make it a little longer and put a longer head plier in it, along with a better cutout for cutting wire. I own a number of Multitools, mostly Leatherman and SOG but then I'm old and have been buying them over the last 30 years. It's interesting now that the original Leatherman patent has expired to see what will be made.
Two things wrong with Roxon bit drivers😅: they use 4mm, not the larger quarter inch. This is a deal breaker for me. The other thing wrong with Roxon bit drivers is that they require a separate adapter (socket) to be attached. Almost all big-name companies today make quarter-inch one-piece bit drivers that do not require having to carry the bit kit. The MT is carried with the double-ended bit already in the bit driver with the MT in the closed position.
Not sure if you can share the roxon booklet as pdf for us to view too. Good comparison with GOAT~
I may take some pictures at some point.
6:25 .. the separate cut out for the oking lug being OFF CENTRE like that, gives it MASSIVELY more leverage to lock securely!! .. I'm guessing 300 to 400% more locking power.!!
Whatcha fixing on the beach, Max?
That's what I was wondering lol.
Breakfast: nothing cuts bagel like a multitool serrated blade
you would be amazed! a few umbrellas that got bent, cut up some sandwich's, etc.
Right off the bat, it looks way better than GOAT, but I'm not a fan of the curved/flared design. Sure, it looks comfortable to hold as pliers but it looks like it would be annoying to put in my pocket.
It would be nice if you could select rhe tools you want when purchasing the tool, instead of purchasing the desired tools separately.
Will Rodin offer better blade steel
Why they all have to be plier-based?🧐 why can't any company just make a SAK like modular MT.
you know who should do it? Ruike, with their pre-existing LD-** models. that whole series of MTs are basically layers and layers of tool being added on to a LD-11 pocket knife with screws(made with good budget materials too). they should've just start selling individual tool-layers-packs and screw sets, It would be a hit.
Roxon is going to try to release a pocket knife style soon after.
@@maxlvledc Seriously!? If they make SAK-style little plier and microdriver to go with it. SOLD!!! it's a win for Roxon on an uncharted territory. 😍
Oh! Now that is a game changer.
@@joshchuI thought Roxon already did this with the M2 (small pliers and micro driver with bit set.) It's not modular, however.
I have the Goat and have been underwhelmed. When taking into the price I'm disappointed. I won't be a return customer.
I did not like the GOAT one little bit. The looks, the ergos, it just doesn’t look good at all. The Flex looks great. Can’t wait to grab one for work. I can’t have my leatherman on me, and it’s perfect, but I can’t have a blade. This will be sweet.
Honestly, I wouldn’t even put a knife on the flex. Make it the ultimate travel multitool!
right on!
Roxon must offer a removable pry bar!
I modded goats not very good file into a prytool. :)
Roxon Needs a utility blade holder, a t shank holder and 3d Philips/pozi 0 through 2
the philips they had, but I agree with the Tshank and utility blade..but with this design..craft blade holder is more likely.
cool
What's the size of the Roxon bitdriver?
4mm, also the bit kit is designed for 4mm bits.
It could be entrance to the first league for roxon.
Dang, only 2 long implements? This would be a slam dunk with 4.
but with the way they designed the mechanism...likely too thick..its the cost of making something really slick that still has a modular mechanism.
@maxlvledc did you heart your own comment lol?
Will roxon offer better blade steel
New flash has d2 , also ks2e.
yes, they are looking at creating blades with better blade steel.
You sound a little bit sick. Get well soon.
I think he might have a case of the con flu
indeed, feeling better but still under the weather.
If the Goat tool had a better mechanism and a better tool set it would be the perfect tool.
Honestly tho I’d be happier with a tool where I need a tool to change the implements. This “quick change” stuff is a novelty/gimmick. MOST people will deck out their multitool with what they want and carry it for months. Who is this quick change actually for? The electrician that has to go fishing after work? Really think about it. Everyone reading this will fine tune their tool then leave it alone. I’d rather have a more positive connection and less parts. That lock/unlock switch on the Roxon is so dumb. Leatherman uses geometry to keep its tools in. That’s premium. Just put a flush flat head cammed screw to lock and unlock the tools, maybe something that can be turned with a coin. I’m just not over here switching out the tools every day and neither are you. The novelty will wear off quick.
LM....see this
I can tattoo goat 🐐 on my forearm but i still wont be Tom Brady 😮😅😊
I have no idea how, but hopefully someone can figure out a way to fit the Victorinox scissors into the Flex. That would make the tool absolutely perfect.
I dont know..the flex scissors were very very good when I played with them.
Leatherman is still the king. The thing is the modular MT market is niche. Most people are accommodated with a few select tools. Most people don’t give a shit if it’s a warnclif drop point or clip point. It the knife cuts then it cuts.
Appealing to niche markets has to be done with great care. The only reason MTs like the signal are allowed to exist is the outdoor sector is huge.
The fact of the matter is every new MT LM releases competes against every other MT in their lineup and needs to be priced accordingly. In top of that they’re established firmly in Portland Oregon which is incredibly expensive to operate in.
I think if LM would want to go for the “modular market” they should focus on making replacement implements that are compatible with a multitude of their locking mechanisms and selling them in kits or packs.
I know this will go against the grain here, but, I think modular multitools are a fad or, at best, will always be a tiny niche market.
There's just too much room for non modular tools to be better, given the inherent sacrifices needed to make a tool modular. And too many of the perceived advantages of a modular tool don't actually pan out, practically.
I don't care about the false-positive high spirit comments. Only real life experince will tell how good is the S804 Flex. Do not trash talk Leatherman, because after the Goat tool Leatherman somehow still in buisness.
Who said they wouldn't be? Only think killing leatherman is leatherman.
@@maxlvledc Sadly they are doing it professionally...