New Motorcraft FL2121 Oil Filter vs. Old Motorcraft FL500s Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2024
- Oil Filter Inspection. #Mobil #Motorcraft #Supertech #Wix #Fram
Motorcraft FL2121 oil filter: www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....
Motorcraft FL500s oil filter: www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo....
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Late last year the FL500 went on a bad back order, Ford went to Champ to make the FL2121B12 till the FL500 came off of back order, The FL500 is back. The reason I know this is because I work in a Ford dealership parts department.
It’s funny and sad that the regular supplier A of FL500 - which is probably under a long term contract - can’t deliver due to some kind of a back log. But Ford can go to a completely different design produced by a completely different company B - which could take months to bring on line - to meet the temporary need and receive the filters in a timely manner to fill the need for a while. What’s wrong with company A that it can’t supply, but company B can?
@@stevenw2866My guess is that Purolator’s first priority is supplying the demand for their own brand first before accepting/renewing contracts for private brands.
Champ is not as heavily invested in selling their own branded products. If Purolator was having difficulty sourcing filter components to meet their demand obviously they would prioritize their products over private brands.
@@prevost8686 You may be correct about the priority of M+H/Purolator in a time of shortage. In such a case, how does the assumed material shortage affect their other private label products such as NAPA and Wix filters? I want to assume that Ford/Motorcraft is a large enough client / customer that they want to keep them satisfied so that they don't need to take their business elsewhere. This is an interesting case that no doubt concerns facts we will never know about.
It's simple. Purolator can't deliver. Champ already makes a compatible filter and can deliver. Champ didn't have to do anything but slap a Motorcraft sticker on their filter.
@stevenw2866 Quite a bit of logistics goes into manufacturing. Someone at Purolator might not have ordered enough steel or filter material a year ago. Demand may have spiked. Equipment may have failed. Not enough employees to run the equipment 3 shifts. Could have been a contract issue between them & Ford (price or quality). Maybe their entire production run of filters failed quality control.
My wife worked for a major manufacturing firm, for one of their execs. The things that can go wrong are many. Like your shipment of widgets from Baltimore falling off a cargo ship headed to Wilmington.
Love your videos, Whipman!!! BTW, I'm a Purolator guy, myself!
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I think ya right Pete. U can't go wrong with either one. But my money is on the older Motorcraft. Take care and have a great weekend!! 🇨🇦
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Kinda dumbfounded here ! I always liked the MC filters with the upper bypass valves ! The newer MC filter got cheapened its basically a fram orange can - supertech - AC delco E now ! At least we now know these filters cant get any cheaper except maybe a price hike ! I do use the AC E filters but only on my older vehicles ! Modern vehicles deserve the more modern ones ! I use the fram ultra syn on them ! 👍
Outstanding job, Pete. So Ford is cheaping out their filter. What a shame. Let's face it, if you are spending $12 for a quart of synthetic oil, you are not going to mind buying more for the best made filter. Even if you aren't spending $12 per quart for oil, getting a best made filter should be a priority. I do not like that bypass valve stuck on the leaf spring. You've shown that they can leak at the place where the valve goes into the cartridge and I can't imagine those fiber endcaps can make a tight seal. The nylon cage doesn't bother me they can take pretty high temps. While I don't like all the sloppy glue but I do like that upper bypass valve and metal end caps on the old one. I'd definitely scoop up a big supply of the old filters if I used them. Then again I think I'll just stick to my Boss and XP filters.
Keep 'em coming, Pete!
Who spends $12 qt on oil? Mobil 1 is less than half that.
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@@WhipCityWrencheranytime Pete!
@@donwyoming1936but why would I buy Mobil 1 when there are much better oils out there?
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Also if you got the space you can use a FL820S in place of the FL500S.
Ever since you pointed out the lack of seal at the relief valve on champ filters, I shy away from champ now, and I would say people should buy the old ones if they can, even with the glue slop. Get on Rock Auto and stock up on clearance filters.
I had a 2008 Grand Marquis which I faithfully on which I had Motorcraft filters installed. Last spring, after an oil change, the engine started rattling badly on a cold start. After two weeks, I bought a Mobil 1 filter and swapped out the Motorcraft and the morning rattle stopped. Soon after, I saw a post on Bob is the Oil Guy regarding the same filter and a switch of manufacturer. Nothing is sacred in auto parts these days.
Interesting. I have to check mine. I use the motorcraft 820-s on my 04 super duty. 5.4.
Nice sharing Pete, another very good and informative review/comparison. TFS. Have a wonderful weekend! 🙂
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Excess glue on the old one, and also a reputation for tearing on those as well, means the old one is really a "Motorcrap" oil filter.
The new one isn't awful, just wouldn't be my first choice. Fiber end caps aren't a problem as some think, since you'd have to find a case where they disentigrated, and I"ve never seen that happen on any brand that used fiber end caps.
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New Motorcraft looks cheaper made reminds me of a basic Fram oil filter, I am using Motorcraft FL-400s oil filter for my car for years and so far everytime I opened it after use I haven't seen the paper endings only metal, Once I find a Motorcraft FL-400s made cheap like this new one than I be done using them, I would never use a filter like that, been there done that.
Hopefully this new filter tested was a temporary backfill to a supply issue. I just purchased several 820S filters and they have the bypass in baseplate.
I love the newer High flow cores, but I prefer the old bypass system. I really dont see how the new ones pass Fords Specification. One note, I would use either since the new one has Felt end caps and not Resin impregnated cardboard. If the new one were made with open metal end caps, I would never use it due to terrible sealing flaws, but they used the best material for the design as it is completely covered on the ends, unlike Frams version with cardboard that is too small to keep the oil from mixing.
I would re-engineer the new filter with the old bypass valve, metal end caps, silicon gasket and drain back valve, and have the plastic cage made out of metal. No 'Cheese Grater' center tube for me. I think it restricts oil flow. Take care all.
Looks like MotorCraft went all AC Delco 😁
Yes on the old with the base end bypass and metal endcaps. No on the new with the fiber endcaps.
I've always liked motorcraft filters. I'll put them on non ford cars if I can cross reference it. I even stuck an FL400s on my riding mower
The Champ made filters were only in the supply chain for a short time. Over the last year, all I've received is cases of the Purolator filters. Back to normal, it seems.
Form my understanding the new one was used to back fill the demand when the fl500 was in short supply.. I can't find any for sale right now.. So basically the new one is an AC Delco PF63 or supertech MP10575.. although if im not mistaken the Supertech has the metal end caps... Nice video Whip!!
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The new one looks like garbage.
Great review as always, thanks Whip!😊
The new one looks like a Fram. I wouldn't buy the replacement of the Motorcraft filter, would rather buy a Purolator
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@@JamesMcMullen-wj8rs Fram *or* Champ Labs *or* AC Delco (all the same)! It's funny if "Garbage = Ford parts turning into General Motors parts" 😂
(Not all Frams are made by Champ Labs, only some.)
It's how it performs that matters, not how it looks.
WOW , the new MC filter looks identical to the AcDelco PF61E I use on my 05 Trailblazer.
IMHO Ford used to be superior to GM. Sad how the big 3 US auto makers have gone down in quality.
My next vehicle replacement will be a Toyota or Honda, I'm done with the big 3.
Thanks WHIP, great video as always.
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Thanks for your breakdown of the filters the way you do.
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Also when you do the video for the 910, you should do your flash light test before you tear the fiber end caps off and put on the spring with bypass valve and you will see light gap on the two sides of the spring where it was cut flat on each side.
I'd have to do that at night because it doesn't get dark enough to do a good test and I don't think I'll be doing that when comparing them two filters.
@WhipCityWrencher I have a extremely bright stream light so I was able to see it well in a lit shop. But it was just and idea. I don't think those filters are sealing all that well on those two spots and have verified it on both filters I cut open
That was a temporary move due to a purolator back log. Pretty sure it’s back to normal now.
happy Friday WhipCityWrencher great video
Thanks! Happy Friday WrenchingMafia😊👍
My understanding, the Champ made replacement a temporary thing because of supply chain issues with the original M&H Puro made filters. Wondering where you obtained the FL500 efficiency rating? The Champ made MC endcaps are polyester. Most Champ now use metal caps. So, replacement not impressive. FL500 ok, but the price of all Motorcraft OFs have significantly increased recently, more than double. Thanks for c&p.
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I got the FL500 micron rating here, click on the link, at 1:40 mark ua-cam.com/video/4at4X8TZOlw/v-deo.html
@@WhipCityWrencher ,yup seen that video long ago & it throughly describes the testing process with their filters
@@WhipCityWrencher Yeah, I remembered USCAR 36 for MC filters, but forgot the efficiency number. For a long time Motorcraft claimed minimum of 80%@20um. Makes me wonder if that number equivalent to USCAR36. Funny thing is when Amsoil sponsored ISO 4548-12 testing the FL820S tested much better, ~93%@20um. The word minimum can mean maybe better.
@@faxmen09 80% at 20, 95% at 30, probably all the same anyways. LOL
@@WhipCityWrencher I agree.👍
Looks like both would do oh in filtering. E Core plastic much be cheaper to make than metal.
Great video, i dont like that new one and am glad i saw this video!! I usually run purolator pure 1 on my 21 f150 or wix. But if the oem was my only option ide stick with FL500
Motorcrap I would say Ford as usual cutting corners with quality made and employees promesing Benefits. Look at the way the made the new end cap filter and pleats plus extra glue? . Neither one I would ever buy.
If you guys want a quality filter at a reasonable price like the old Motorcraft, consider buying the CarQuest filters. They are made by Purolator (like the old Motorcraft) and are very similar in quality. And the best part is they are not expensive.
The Carquest oil filters don't have a base end bypass valve like the Motorcraft oil filters.
@@WhipCityWrencher that really doesn't bother me. As long as it has one. The quality seems pretty good for the price though
Agree
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Personally I like the old style filter
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Champ/Luber filters seem pretty good just different. I ran White classic Purolator in junk and Pure 1 in vehicles i liked til they got bought by Mann and didn't seem as quality any longer by looking at fancy box and pretty metallic blue paint on them.
I'm guessing most oil filter design changes are to allow for synthetic or semi-synthetic oils, which many cars today require. The FL500S is clearly made by Purolator (as is any filter with oval holes).
I think the difference is that the new one's maker got the bid due to lower cost to Ford. My F150 is wearing the 500s, but I ahve a Purolater Boss on the shelf (although the BOSS cost me a good bit more).
Yeah I run the Boss on my F150, that one with felt ain’t happening …
Champ won the new contract 😂
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Very interesting video. I would use either version, but I would prefer the older version even with the extra glue.
Funny that the 2121 is taller than the 500 but the 2123 is shorter than the 910. I later found out the old filters are still available but my local dealer started getting the newer ones because it saves them a dollar per filter.
Nice and informative video. I was hoping the new Motorcraft would be at least Mobil One quality. Looks like Motorcraft missed the mark with the new oil filter.
Both Purolator and Champ have made good oil filters for a long while now. You can't really go wrong with either. I've used Champ filters in our shop and on my own vehicles along with the Purolator and Motorcraft and have never had an oil filter issue in over three decades. The old FL-1A(made by Purolator) was a shop standard for Fords as long as I can remember. All four brands have been outstanding in our experience. The real key is changing the oil! Thanks to you for doing these important videos to enlighten others. You make us all better, smarter consumers.
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Me personally, I use STP from AutoZone. I've been using the STP S3614XL on my 2019 Ford Fusion Hybrid (equivalent Motorcraft is the FL910S) pretty much as long as I've had the with no issues. It's a decent quality filter just from looking inside without cutting it open. Silicone anti-drain valve and silicone gasket, metal core with holes, metal end caps, efficiency rating of 99% above 20 microns. Always readily available at my local AutoZone stores for $9.99 or as part of oil change bundles with full synthetic oils for basically free.
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You might want to watch the video coming out on April 26th, I open a Motorcraft FL910s. Thank You👍
I Love the Nylon core for oil flow it is Sad Ford switched i have seen plastic ends and they are good but cardboard and felt ends 👎. Very Bad
I’m sure either one works fine and that Ford did testing to confirm the new one met their design spec prior to using the different vendor.
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Champ e-core..
Your Fl400S video showed how that extra glue (shown here at 5:29) could get loose and could go through the bypass valve on a cold winter morning, or come loose from the 'clean' side of the filter and clog my oil pickup tube. No thanks, until they get a better glue and learn how to apply it. I love the valve design, but not how they put it together. Thank you for showing us what's inside!
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4:54 Maybe MotorCraft ran out of glue & couldn't make filters anymore 🤣...look at all the slop with the glue
They use the Husky dogs to put the glue on at their factory so sometimes it looks like that. 🤠
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With as much glue as there is on that motorcraft, and other M/H filters. Not to mention shorting the pleats so they don't actually fill the end caps... The champ looks far neater. Im not a fan of the felt end caps or that bypass design. But it looks very clean and for all we know, that bypass "leakage" is factored into the filtering specifications.
So, AC Delco are now making the new FoMoCo 500-S replacement?
I didn't know it at the time I made the video but some folks are saying it's not a permanent thing, so we shall have to see.
I think I would go with the newer filter made by Champ Labs. I think it has newer technology and probably gives better oil flow. Plastic core and fiber end caps are the new technology and the way to go.
Looks like they cheapened out on the new filter. I just don't trust fiber end caps.
The new Motorcraft is an example of "I've got a friend that can do it cheaper"
Can you compare the Subaru OEM 15208AA170 vs the Wix WL10078 oil filter?
I put it on my to-do list.
Looks like a cheap replacement to me. I'll stick with the old one. If i was gonna use a cheap filter i would just buy the cheapest Fram. Which i used for years with no problem but that was when i changed oil every 3000 miles. Thanks for tearing into it.
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Motorcraft FL 500s fits in a 5.0 Coyote Engines ? 2015 - Present .
Not a fan of the "fiber" end caps.
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Absolute junk in that replacement.
I am buying every FL500s i can find
The new Motorcraft filter is a Walmart filter just painted white.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Both shitty made filters to be honest MC more shitty because of the overused gunk of glue?😮
Were the hell is the precision? Both filters are cut by a 7 year old using paper scissors
.. i ordered a Derale trans filter kit & they sent a POS Luber Finer filter with it instead of Derale .. i had to buy a Wix 51515 Also because No Way was i putting that junk filter on .. 🤨👨🔧🧰