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  • Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
  • In this video, Ask This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner by moving a hot water baseboard heater from one side of a room to another.
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    Richard Trethewey helps a homeowner relocate a poorly placed baseboard heater that has been doing very little to heat the space. The heater is located in what used to be a kitchen, but is now a newly renovated family room.
    Time: 2-3 hours
    Cost: $200
    Skill Level: Hard
    Tools:
    Drill [amzn.to/2PBwVyY]
    Pipe cutters [amzn.to/3mu56o6]
    Torch [amzn.to/3mv9nb2]
    PEX expansion tool [amzn.to/3cYYBXm]
    Shopping List:
    PEX lines [bit.ly/3mOJvHi]
    Hot water baseboard heater [amzn.to/3fQHkBx]
    Solder [amzn.to/3wDSSOs]
    Flux [amzn.to/3uy03py]
    Emery cloth [amzn.to/3uKoQa7]
    Fitting brush [amzn.to/2PJ8PCi]
    Steps for moving a baseboard heater:
    1. There are two types of baseboard heaters, electric and hydronic heaters. Figure out what type you have before starting any work. In this case, Richard moved a hydronic heater. Hot water baseboard heaters require some plumbing knowledge, so hiring a professional is advised.
    2. Shut off the water lines to the particular zone you are working with. Shut off the boiler electric switch. Wait for the lines and baseboard heater to cool down.
    3. Attach a hose to the drain valve and empty the remaining water.
    4. Cut the PEX supply and return lines and let them drain into a bucket.
    5. Remove the baseboard cover and copper pipe and fins.
    6. Measure where you want the basement heater to go. Remove any baseboard trim from the wall.
    7. Drill two holes where the pipes will run back down to the mechanical room.
    8. Install the hydronic baseboard to the desired wall.
    9. Place the fin tube into the baseboard.
    10. Richard recommends using expansion cradles to make baseboards quieter when they heat up.
    11. Make sure both ends of the copper pipe end over the holes you drill. If not, cut the pipe back. Then clean, flux, and solder the copper fitting on both sides.
    12. Once the solder connections have cooled, it is time to make the PEX connections. Take out the baseboard element to make the next connections.
    13. Use a PEX expansion ring to slip over the tubing. Then use a PEX expansion tool to expand the sleeve to be able to fit over the copper fitting. Hold for a few seconds until the PEX has shrunk down to the fitting. Do the same to the other side.
    14. Pick up the baseboard element and carefully put the PEX tubing down the holes that were drilled earlier.
    15. Make the new PEX connections where the new lines are run.
    16. Place the baseboard cover on.
    17. Turn the boiler and water supply back on.
    Where to find it?
    The homeowners had a baseboard heating system with ¾” PEX lines [bit.ly/3mOJvHi], which were manufactured by Uponor [www.uponor-usa...]. To move the baseboard from one side of the room to the other, all Richard needed to do was cut the PEX and move it to the other side of the room.
    While Richard could have moved the existing baseboard over, he thought it would be better to install a new baseboard with a taller cover to make it more efficient. The one he installed is a Multi/Pak 80 residential hot water baseboard heater, which is manufactured by Slant/Fin [www.slantfin.com/].
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 103

  • @Mike__B
    @Mike__B 3 роки тому +95

    That was nice of him to put the old piece of baseboard on the other side... and then leave the holes in the floor :)

  • @dereklull8212
    @dereklull8212 3 роки тому +19

    Richard was having a little bit of fun with this one.

  • @ChadAmI80
    @ChadAmI80 Рік тому +5

    That mechanical area was beautiful with all of the pro-press copper. I have a 1940 house with cast iron radiators and the basement is a headknocking jungle of old pipes. I'm jealous of the nice, tucked out the way pex lines in her house.

    • @writerjmd
      @writerjmd 11 місяців тому +1

      I don't trust plastic pipe with hot water in it.

  • @FKS1994
    @FKS1994 3 роки тому +25

    She's a great guest!

  • @anthonyelectric6045
    @anthonyelectric6045 3 роки тому +13

    Wow I remember when Richard did a video a long time ago about noisy radiators. He talked about the plastic support not in the right position. I followed his tips back then and no more noisy radiators. 👍

    • @NoMercyGunzzz
      @NoMercyGunzzz 3 роки тому

      I just assumed these were noisy, now I need to check mine at home because the ting and pop

    • @fabricioJiuJitsu
      @fabricioJiuJitsu Рік тому

      What tool he used to open the plastic thing?

    • @heinzotto1194
      @heinzotto1194 Рік тому

      There are many kinds out there, just look up “pex expansion tool”. He used a power tool.

  • @ezabreeza3223
    @ezabreeza3223 2 роки тому +4

    The floor of the home is so beautiful

  • @Liciousdub
    @Liciousdub Рік тому +1

    Love the hole from the old heater was left a hole lol

  • @danielleking3658
    @danielleking3658 2 роки тому +9

    Hahahahaha watching this brings back so
    Many memories! 😂😂

    • @swone6349
      @swone6349 2 роки тому +4

      Nice video…you were a great assistant as he said! ☺️👍🏾

  • @ozziesheppard17
    @ozziesheppard17 3 роки тому +17

    Looks good, but at 6:00 that baseboard is loose as hell- It's not even attached to the wall. I'd be pissed if I paid a contractor to do that.

    • @FilamentFriday
      @FilamentFriday Рік тому +1

      I get clicking when the back plate flexes. So I loosened mine and it went away. I believe it’s loose on purpose for that reason. I wish he would have explained that.

    • @urbanturbine
      @urbanturbine 3 місяці тому

      @@FilamentFriday i don't think so. the housing is isolated from the element with plastic carriers. Dang thing is loose as hell.

  • @josephstupar3372
    @josephstupar3372 7 місяців тому

    That alligator play thing looks great, getting that for my daughter forsure.

  • @heinzotto1194
    @heinzotto1194 Рік тому +2

    Wish they would have shown how he purged the system. Also how to fix the hole in the floor lol.

  • @cmlxjcky
    @cmlxjcky 3 роки тому +5

    Her mannerisms, accent and inflection remind of Rich Benois of RichRebuilds

    • @hondadna93
      @hondadna93 3 роки тому +1

      Yes!

    • @JD987abc
      @JD987abc 2 роки тому +2

      A lovely home owner and TOH guest.

    • @cmlxjcky
      @cmlxjcky 2 роки тому +1

      @@JD987abc it's meant as a compliment

  • @michellerichardson3687
    @michellerichardson3687 3 роки тому +2

    Does anyone know which boiler is used in this video?

  • @merlinbrubaker1163
    @merlinbrubaker1163 3 роки тому +6

    Everything I've read online about Pex A says that it shouldn't be used for hot water baseboards because it doesn't have an oxygen barrier coating. PEX A is intended for domestic water supply. The orange PEX has the oxygen barrier coating.

    • @fiehlsport
      @fiehlsport 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, I figured he was gonna swap it for orange PEX-Al

    • @mainelyelectric
      @mainelyelectric 2 роки тому +1

      Upanor brand is white ish and contains the oxygen barrier too. It doesn’t have to be orange

  • @writerjmd
    @writerjmd 11 місяців тому +1

    heating lines would be better in copper

  • @ClarkS963
    @ClarkS963 3 роки тому

    Nice of them to have originally used uponor PEX.

    • @jimmypchacko
      @jimmypchacko 2 роки тому

      I didn't think you could use expansion pex because it doesn't have an oxygen barrier

  • @bomon8o832
    @bomon8o832 2 роки тому

    Is there a way I can turn these off completely? Instead of covering the top vent from airflow?

  • @jays1752
    @jays1752 2 роки тому +4

    Amazing how many people comment on the holes in the floor Rich leaves behind. I guess the average youtube troller doesn't know that plumbers aren't finish carpenters. He also didn't do the paint touch up. Again, because he's a plumber.

  • @TheOne610
    @TheOne610 6 місяців тому

    What about the electrical to that baseboard though?

    • @ryanravencaller
      @ryanravencaller 5 місяців тому

      There are two different kinds of baseboard heating, electric and hydronic/hot water or steam This is a hot water style baseboard no electricity, no wires.

  • @heroknaderi
    @heroknaderi 3 роки тому +1

    Very interesting

  • @zillerruss
    @zillerruss 10 місяців тому

    You’re not in Maine by chance, are you? How much do you think it would cost to install baseboard heat AND all of that equipment in the basement for a 2 story home, 1,400 square feet?

    • @Ayesuh
      @Ayesuh 9 місяців тому

      The tankless boiler alone was quoted $10k from my local plumber.... lol
      And those slant/fin baseboards are decently cheap from i think home depot, but they always arrive damaged

  • @jeffreyjohn2037
    @jeffreyjohn2037 3 роки тому +10

    6:02 the enclosure isn't fastened to the wall. 👎

  • @cynthiaking5308
    @cynthiaking5308 2 роки тому +1

    I have a question about a kitchen remodel. We have 12’ of hot water baseboard heat in our kitchen. When we gut the kitchen, we are taking 6’ of that wall and putting the fridge and cabinets against the wall. We are putting a toe kick in to bring the heat out thru the cabin base, but what about the fridge? If it’s supposed to be a counter depth fridge, won’t it stick out because of the pipe? My husband won’t let me call his buddy the HAVAC guy to answer this question. It’s really eating at me. I can’t think about anything else. Thanks.

    • @jasonkichline9826
      @jasonkichline9826 2 роки тому +1

      Did you ever find an answer to this question? I’m going to be dealing with a similar situation soon

    • @cynthiaking5308
      @cynthiaking5308 2 роки тому +1

      @@jasonkichline9826 yes i did. The layout of this wall is Broom closet, fridge, six foot of cabinets. The baseboard heat is behind the cabinets. We are pulling it forward, installing the toe kick and re routing the baseboard heating back behind the fridge into the floor or wall Joyce’s. I know the word spelled incorrectly The key is they use a flexible kind of pipe. The plumber is installing it. There are you tube videos that can show you how, but you basically put a register in the base of the cabinets that has a fan and pushes the heat out of the toe kick, and the rest of it goes in the floor or wall. Hope this makes sense. Good luck.

  • @marygoodman1666
    @marygoodman1666 Рік тому

    We just had a whole new system installed in an old house. Drywall is torn out in order to install new pex tubing and new baseboard heaters in the basement. The problem is they install the baseboard heaters directly to the bare wood studs before the drywall it was put back. This can’t be right? How do we replace drywall? Would you ever do it like this? Trying to get our installer to remedy, but they are ghosting us.

    • @nospam276
      @nospam276 10 місяців тому

      Did you get a solution to this? What did they do to fix it? (note: I'm trying to avoid this scenario as I start a project)

    • @marygoodman1666
      @marygoodman1666 10 місяців тому +2

      @@nospam276 we ended up driving to their office and speaking with the VP who made the installer come back and reinstall the baseboard heaters so that we could do drywall behind it. Such a hassle. I hope your project goes better. Incidentally that company suddenly my closed and went on the auction block 4 months later. Owner moved to Florida. be careful who you hire!

    • @Ayesuh
      @Ayesuh 9 місяців тому

      According to a 1950s sears kit home book.... thats the 'nicer' look.... lol
      I wish i could recess mine that way but i got block walls

  • @ursulamendez285
    @ursulamendez285 Рік тому

    Can have him over, fix my problem , I can’t find anybody can do this work in my area

  • @1980Elplacerdeviajar
    @1980Elplacerdeviajar 2 роки тому

    It is possible to do this process in winter time.?? Outside is freezing cold ( I have 3 zones )

    • @Ayesuh
      @Ayesuh 9 місяців тому

      If somehow you can just shut off the 1 zone.... otherwise youll be without heat till its finished if you dont mess it up beyond your ability

  • @emperor6598
    @emperor6598 Рік тому

    A+

  • @howtodoitdude1662
    @howtodoitdude1662 3 роки тому +2

    Can Someone shed some light about those fittings? They have memory? Nothing more to do for a tight seal? I have never seen those.

    • @stevenwinther8306
      @stevenwinther8306 3 роки тому +3

      It's a pex expansion fitting, you expand the pex and sleeve either with a manual or battery operated expander, insert your fitting, then it shrinks back to clamp onto the fitting

    • @isaacmadrid15
      @isaacmadrid15 3 роки тому +2

      Uponor fittings

    • @JimDean002
      @JimDean002 9 місяців тому

      I'm starting to see a few people have issues with these now. Apparently expanding it that much can put a permanent stress on that fitting and some of them are cracking. It's rare but it's happening. A lot of guys are sticking with the crimp fittings now

  • @craiglist308
    @craiglist308 2 роки тому

    2:40

  • @ronron291
    @ronron291 3 роки тому +5

    Didn't fix that hole in the floor tho

  • @javierm9010
    @javierm9010 3 роки тому

    is expensive ? the electric bill?

    • @alexmaclean1
      @alexmaclean1 2 роки тому +1

      It's either natural gas or propane powered hot water so only uses enough electricity for the pumps really. Not the most affordable system but it's a cheap upgrade for them vs installing a heatpump,which isn't so effective in older homes without a modern open floor plan.

    • @Ayesuh
      @Ayesuh 9 місяців тому

      He said GAS-tankless boiler
      Not electric

  • @dust09100
    @dust09100 3 роки тому

    Number 1 yes

    • @TrumpAmerica-2024
      @TrumpAmerica-2024 3 роки тому +1

      who does number 2 work for?

    • @dust09100
      @dust09100 3 роки тому +1

      @@TrumpAmerica-2024 just hold on we'll get through this together

  • @jeffwilson1399
    @jeffwilson1399 3 роки тому +4

    This Old House with Baseboard Heat. . And no A/C.

    • @TrumpAmerica-2024
      @TrumpAmerica-2024 3 роки тому +1

      this old screw no a/c

    • @jeffwilson1399
      @jeffwilson1399 3 роки тому +1

      This Old House with Baseboard Heat and an ugly mini split in every room!

    • @89Ayten
      @89Ayten 3 роки тому +1

      This Old set in New England where mild summers are 8 weeks

    • @Bremend
      @Bremend 3 роки тому

      @@89Ayten 8 weeks? Are you talking about north Canada?

    • @DapperMKVI
      @DapperMKVI 3 роки тому

      @@Bremend idk about 8 week summers in NE, I live in CT. But it is super common around here for any house built before 1990 (maybe later even) to not have ac.
      Mini splits are an easier retrofit than ductwork is.

  • @danlaur7973
    @danlaur7973 3 роки тому +6

    Give me copper tubing any day vs pex

    • @figrollin
      @figrollin 3 роки тому +3

      Why?

    • @TheBmonster1
      @TheBmonster1 3 роки тому +1

      I'm going with pex rerunning all my copper lines cuz it's extremely unorganized and looks terrible

    • @verygoodboy2688
      @verygoodboy2688 3 роки тому +4

      The future is now old man

    • @TrumpAmerica-2024
      @TrumpAmerica-2024 3 роки тому +1

      give me fuel, give me fire

    • @Bremend
      @Bremend 3 роки тому +3

      No thanks (and I have copper pipes)

  • @mattieice2988
    @mattieice2988 10 місяців тому

    she sounds like she is selling a house :)

  • @ravenlosanez3595
    @ravenlosanez3595 3 роки тому

    Zoalal

  • @olymonty
    @olymonty 3 роки тому

    Come on This Old House. Fix the hole in the floor. That looks ugly.

    • @fiehlsport
      @fiehlsport 3 роки тому +1

      That’s Tom’s job!

  • @johnames6430
    @johnames6430 3 роки тому +8

    every since the George Floyd incident they've forced them to have more blacks on the show😂

    • @TrumpAmerica-2024
      @TrumpAmerica-2024 3 роки тому +2

      the new mascot for george floyd high is a syringe

    • @chrisburns5691
      @chrisburns5691 3 роки тому +24

      wow.. ever think she is just a fan of the show and wanted her heater moved? who cares if she is black or white or asian or whatever else..

    • @TrumpAmerica-2024
      @TrumpAmerica-2024 3 роки тому

      @@chrisburns5691 yet here you are

    • @chrisburns5691
      @chrisburns5691 3 роки тому +19

      @@TrumpAmerica-2024 yes I'm here because I enjoyed the video and called out a comment from some racist simpleton.. what is your point? If you even have one.

  • @TrumpAmerica-2024
    @TrumpAmerica-2024 3 роки тому +5

    this old "cultural diversity"

    • @Robertodababy
      @Robertodababy 3 роки тому +13

      this old triggered ❄️❄️❄️ comments

    • @chrisburns5691
      @chrisburns5691 3 роки тому +8

      you don't approve of a black person being interested in the show and inviting them to help her out? white people only? are you a backwater hillbilly racist?

    • @TrumpAmerica-2024
      @TrumpAmerica-2024 3 роки тому +1

      @@chrisburns5691 blm right? Buy Large Mansions