Latinos Talk about Colorism Part 2
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I commented on Part 1 about the fact that this conversation is still very vague about their own cultural and racial identities. While it’s definitely a step in the right direction, I think that each person having to specifically say what Latino/Hispanic country they’re from and what specific RACE they identify as on legal forms or documentation. I think that it would lead to a very deep and rich conversation that would provide us with an inside look at how colorism within our culture has effected how we view and think of ourselves in our homelands and elsewhere. They might even consider themselves a different race depending on where they are. For example, my family is Afro-Latino, in Puerto Rico my parents always selected “negro” in the race box, but where we moved to the states they were very hesitant to do so thinking that it’d imply that we were African or African American and that we’d be inaccurately “labeled” or “categorized” or census and sectioning purposes. It took a long time before my parents felt comfortable indicating “black” as our race….this was despite our ethnicity already being indicated as Hispanic. I think this is a real thing in our Latino/Hispanic community that should be brought to the surface and discussed. It’s time for tough conversations..otherwise, the change we’re fighting for will never come to fruition.
So many forms say white (non-latino) and black (non-latino) as if being from Latin America or the Caribbean automatically disqualifies you from being either white or black despite having that ancestry
Uuu
As a non-American, I'm wondering why there's a section on race in the forms anyway
@@nitishsaxena1372 it's just to see how much of dif races there are but I do think it's mostly to see and keep track how many white ppl their is
I wish they would have more Afro Latinos and Caribbean people to speak about this issue rather than just those from Central and South American countries.
Afro-Latinos are in Central America and we're also Caribbean being that we're bordered by the Caribbean sea and we are coastal people who first language are Kriol, patois, and Garifuna and then Spanish. However, I do agree that there should be Afro Latino people speaking on existing with darker hues. The people on the panel still make up the majority of Latin America and usually are the once who discriminate and appropriate Afro culture.
@@rarnold310 completely agree
@@rarnold310 there is nothing to appropriate, the most appropriated culture is MEXICAN, from our food, culture, traditions, accent, slang etc
No thank you, we had enough afro latinos and their stupidity and victim mentality that most of us don't care, I also don't consider blacks to be Latino. Latino traces us to our beautiful European ancestors from the Latin region of Europe, not to Africa. Maybe stop self hating and start identifying as African would be a lot better
@@carlosm.3426 You fkn lie and you know it.
I hope there are more parts to this. I enjoyed the first part. I definitely look back now and see how I was treated better because of my light skin, but still had things like “you’d be perfect if you had your abuelo’s hair” thrown at me because of my mixed grade of hair that wasn’t as straight. I internalized it for some time and then thankfully by my mid teens got to the point where I was like bish I love my curly hair. Leave me alone. I’m glad the newer generation is doing a lot better at not saying crap like this to their kids, and challenging colorism in their own families and communities. We need to keep the conversation going.
I personally would like to see more darker skinned people who fall into Spanish speaking cultures. It’s always interesting to see and hear people who I would consider lighter talk about being dark in their experiences
Yeah so crazy!! I worked with a girl that was Mexican and she considered her self dark skin because she said her family was white. I'm like what complexion do you consider me if you think you are of darker skin. She was of white European standards of latino 🤷🏽♀️ I'm afro Cuban by the way 2nd generation 😊
I'm African American with a brown completion. I was once at a Mexican restaurant at the bar talking to a few of the guys that were there. At this time I had dread locks. Out of nowhere a Mexican man comes over to me, picks my hand up out of my lap and start shaking my hand with the biggest smile on his face speaking in Spanish. I don't speak fluent Spanish but the guys I was at the bar with did and they explained to him that I don't speak Spanish. He said ok, shook my hand again, and went to sit with his friends. The guys at the bar translated what he said for me. He said, "Oh my God it is so nice to meet you. A lot of people don't know that there are Black Mexicans like us. Are you or your family from Costa Chica?". After hearing that I looked over at him and he was still smiling. I pick up my Modelo and air toasted to him and he did the same to me. In the Mexican state of Costa Chica the overwhelming majority of the people there ranging the entire color spectrum identify as black(Afro Mexican) and refuse to deny their African heritage to the point that they fought to be counted as such on the Mexican census. Here is this man who's government tried vigorously to get him to deny his heritage because of the shape of his nose and the texture of his hair (He looked what some would consider stereotypically Mexican) through the racial cast system Mexico implemented after the end of slavery and later with the brown pride movement and he still chose to identify as a proud black man. It made me proud to be part of such a beautiful diaspora.
I think with lighter folks the issue of colorism tends to be a different one and comes in the form of erasure of their identity. Like, a lot of people say "if you look white, you are white" and they don't understand (particularly Americans) that in Latin America our history is completely different. Our ancestors were raped by the Spaniards, we didn't mix by choice and it was illegal to procreate with the same race. We were categorized by race (mestizo, mulato, castizo, morisco, etc) and were told we needed to "mejorar la raza", i.e. become whiter. Many people focus on the privilege of being white-passing, which is certainly there, but not enough is talked about erasure. By erasing their identity and calling them "white", people are basically continuing the job of the colonizers which was to eliminate indigenous people by whitening them and prohibiting them from passing down their culture and language to their descendants. So I think it's equally valuable to have all sorts of skin colors present in a conversation about colorism.
@@chaneldiva8484 we are mexican, not cuban, what you consider a mulatto in your island, in Mexico it is BLACK, what you consider white in your island they are most likely "brown", mexico is a majority brown nation that come from the lightest shade of brown to a darker brown like Tenoche Huerta. That is mexico and our definitions, so your friends would be dark to whites in Mexico.
@@jusadude186 First of all, nice made up story. Costa Chica isn't a state, it's a small region between Guerrero and Oaxaca. Two, Mexico has never conducted a census based on race, in fact, if you ever visit Mexico and ask for any sort of application like job for example, there are no race questions. That is because Vicente Guerrero prohibited for Mexico to ever have race related questions and that all Mexicans regardless of their background was simply MEXICAN. So no one is taking his blackness lol in Mexico most of our blacks wouldn't even be considered black in the USA and in many parts of the world especially not in Africa. They are according to DNA studies only 32% African which isn't much, they are majority indigenous.
If y’all don’t get an actual brown latina indigenous person on this like…
Indigenous can't be latinos dummy lol
Lmao right??
The dumbest thing about this whole colourism problem, is that it alienates the exact things that make Latinos so awesome - our mixed ancestry / culture / history. Don't let this conditioning make you forget the beauty and contributions of indigenous and African ancestors.
The piano keys are black and white
but they sound like a million colors in your mind
that was beautiful 😆
I love this topic. But nevertheless they should do a part 3 with 1 person from each culture of Latin America. Because, with all due respect, they are only focusing from the point of view of 6 people from four cultures in Latin America.
Which is not bad, but a balance is not seen in terms of opinions because there are a total of 33 countries in Latin America and only 4 countries of 6 people are being given a focus. And in each country the experience in relation to colorism is different.
Which leads to my point that the title of the video is titled "Latinos talk about Colorims". Which should not only be about the experience of 6 people from 4 countries in Latin America. Because when you use the word "Latinos" you are speaking in the plural about a large group of people from different parts of Latin America.
As a very very light skinned Latina, I grew up in NYC watching my mom and brother get treated very different than I because they are darker than I. People often ask if my brother and I are half siblings, and we are always telling people that we have the same mom and dad. My family on both sides have a spectrum of skin colors.
I’m both privileged outside of my community and excluded from my community because of my light skin. I have to always prove my indigenous identity. It’s really hurtful and annoying.
Wow never heard that one before too light. I'm afro Cuban
@@chaneldiva8484 I’m the wrong combination of light skin because I don’t have the blue eyes. I’m sure if I looked more Caucasian, I’d be accepted more within my indigenous community. What’s funny is that when I’m around Caucasians, they allow me to attend the picnic, just not eat at the table. They clock my indigenous features like if they were getting paid for it. So, I don’t belong well in either circle. I should say rather, that I’m not accepted in either circles, cause I belong everywhere I intend to go.
You're white
I mean, facial features matter more than skin color when determining race. To me, you look like the average chicana or tejana if you're from Texas.
Y’all need to gather different people and do this conversation again but longer like a Jubilee video
I'm Cuban and Colombian, and look mixed and it's funny because I feel 'light' with my Cuban family yet 'dark' with my Colombian family. Ultimately this colorism comes from a place of ignorance, and at some point we need to rise above it and break the cycle of ignorance passing down.
Yes, it does especially in the Cuban community. The ones in Miami think they are white and are very racist. My mother experienced it at a restaurant when I was a lilttle girl while visiting family. To this day my mother hates Miami. I'm second generation afro Cuban. My abuela married a black man when she came to this country.
@@chaneldiva8484
The ones in Miami ARE white. Lol The racist white ones are white but they like to act like they’re European white. I’m Afro Latina and born and raised here. Racism/colorism unfortunately is pervasive in even Latin America and Latinos are poisoned with it just like everyone else from those who colonized our native lands
@@SupernaturalLove100 Yeah it's just apart of our culture unfortunately. In my family we never had that issue. It seemed to be only outside of our home in other Latin spaces. You have to have a certain hair texture, skin tone. If you done speak the fleunt spanish forget about it. You are not accepted in the same circle.
@@chaneldiva8484
I’ve only really ever experienced it, racism, from white Latinos. And mostly heard abt it from other Black friends and or folks online. What makes it ironic if course is that Latinos too are “minorities” but the racism and colorism is very much existent in Latin American countries and histories w governments trying to wipe out the Black race it’s so deranged. Many people are more awake to it these days especially young ppl but yea.
Lighter Latino's goes in extra hard with their racism. Especially when it's towards black folks. I've seen this many times in LA, NY, and Seattle.
Brown latinos in LA do too, we are tired of blacks attacking our street vendors
@@carlosm.3426 According to the stats, the Latinos have the highest rate sexually exploiting kids in California. You don't seem to have any issues with that, though. Look it up.
We need to stop telling mixed people what they are it's not fair.
Conversations like these need more than one Black Latino/a/e person. They never get a chance to speak on their own experiences and most the questions seem to be geared at mestizo or white Latinos. This only scratches the surface on a much needed conversation.
I definitely want to see this be longer, like I said before. But also Latin America is HUGE and there’s not much rep here? We need more afro-latine rep, indigenous rep, and more Carribean rep too. It needs to be more diverse for Latin America being so big and having so many different identities.
Colorism does run in Hispanic cultures and it's sad, but the reality is that most Hispanics are indigenous, white, or a mix of indigenous/white. We must acknowledge that black Hispanics exist and are just as Hispanic as any one else or any other mix, but the sheer numbers of black Hispanics is not as high as white or indigenous or white/indigenous mix Hispanics. Black hispanics are more prevalent in certain regions or countries, but overall the numbers are not as high. We also need to acknowledge the existence of Asian Hispanics (mostly Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc..) and also Arab Hispanics (mostly Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian, etc..)
Black Hispanics??? We're surely Afro but we're not Hispanics. We're descendants of Africa and indigenous Americas, not Spain!
@@rarnold310 by stating black Hispanic, it obviously means the descendants of african slaves that were integrated into and contributed to Spanish-speaking cultures. Black hispanics (or as some people say Afro-hispanics) contributed alot to what would become different Hispanic cultures. My point is that while black Hispanics contributed alot and in some countries are a substantial population, the vast majority of Hispanics throughout the Americas are indigenous, white, or a mix of indigenous/white. That is just a numbers thing. Most Hispanics are not black, nor do they have black ancestry, or if they do have black ancestry...it is not substantial enough to even classify or think of oneself as black. Some Hispanics are clearly black or have substantial black ancestry and they deny it because of colorism and systemic racism and that needs to be addressed, but it's a numbers game, most Hispanics just aren't black.
@@tainorican718 I'm Afro Latino and I'm informing you that we are not nor do we identify as " Hispanic " or " Afro Hispanic ". However, you rather disrespect us by calling us or telling us who and what we are while disregarding being told by an Afro Latino that we're not Hispanic. Our culture is different from Hispanic!
@@rarnold310 so you are getting pissy over the word instead of the history? Wow. Ok hispanic= US govt "top-down" word imposed for purposes of the census when Nixon was president and focuses on what binds almost all people of Central and South America with parts of the caribbean-- the shared Spanish language and that Spanish culture was by far the biggest influence. In response , a grassroots movement took hold to reject "hispanic" and the term "latino" was made to focus not just on the Spanish, but also the French and Portuguese speaking peoples of the America's as Spanish, Portuguese and French are Latin-based languages. Whether someone says hispanic or latino... it still focuses on the European contribution rather than the indigenous contribution and the black contribution. So by your own admission, you are still using a "faulty" term that focuses on the majority european contribution of the peoples of the americas. So in summary black Hispanic, black latino, afro hispanic, afro latino still all mean the same thing. Also by the way I am of Puerto Rican ancestry and I have done genetic testing and I'm basically Spanish, Portuguese, indigenous, and Arab. I consider myself an American, an American citizen, a person of puerto rican ancestry, a puerto rican, a Boricua, a Borinqueño, a Hispanic, un hispano, a Latino, Latinx, a Latin person, etc... all means the same stuff.
@@rarnold310 you wish you were though
@Pero Like, thank you for this video. I enjoyed the first part very much and glad to see a part 2.
De verdad, muchas gracias.
So I'm a white woman from the Midwest who speaks fluent Spanish, and I'm also a single mom to a mixed Latina daughter who is 2 years old. When I think about her future I struggle to determine what kind of school to send her to. She is bilingual and I would love to raise her as a strong speaker of both languages, so I'd like to have her attend an immersion school. Schools like these are fairly normal here in the Midwest, but many are predominantly white, and the others are predominantly Latino where both parents are Latino. I am very aware of the challenges my daughter will likely experience, like not "being enough" for either side. I would love to hear more about your experiences at school, particularly if it was immersion-based because it adds a different spin than just the standard public school experience. Thanks!
Latina is not a race! As exemplified by this video. Please do more research.
@@swankyangelo8527 Did I say Latina was a race? No, I did not. Please be more specific if you have an issue with my post. As you surely know, Latinx is a broad identifier for people coming from many countries. I was not writing in terms of skin color, but the general sense of "fitting in" in the cultural sense.
I definitely preferred my experience in mixed schools more than white schools I’ve been in. I think it brings up a lot of richness that may not be found otherwise. If you have the choice to put her in the predominantly white school vs not, I’d say not, personally. There’s always going to be white people who invalidate her but she might find community more in the predominantly Latinx school in a way she might not be able to anywhere else.
@@neurodivergentpunk thank you so so much for your honest response!
This is one of the best productions I've seen on this channel
Great series please do more on various topics like religion etc
Just wanna say I love you !
This should definitely be a longer more in depth conversation/video. And as some other are saying, I think more shade range would benefit the conversation as well.
Dad is Puerto Rican
Mother is cuban
Born in New York city
Cubanriqueño
I wish you brought more argentinian, chilean, paraguayan and uruguayan to this type of conversations. We REALLY do not get any representation in the media or in these videos.
thats because there isn't many people from el cono sur in the us compared to other latinos like cubanos portoriqueños mexicanos guatemaltecos etc.
@@HonorabilisMagister True. I've noticed most South Americans migrate to Europe since it's just as far to them as the U.S. is.
@@Nutty151 correct, also in the case of argentina we have a LOT of italian ancestry, about 20 million argentinians (almost half) have at least 1 italian in their family tree 2 to 4 generations back.
@@HonorabilisMagister Very true. Blonde hair blue eyed Argentinians are not uncommon at all. I'm Panamanian but have Argentinian family.
I feel like the worst part about colorism is the assumptions that get attached to you without having ever opened your mouth.
Part 3!!!
Great topic to discuss. My Hispanic wife was of Spanish-Asturian descent. She was told by Anglos she didn't look "Spanish." It always made her furious. She accurately did not consider such to be a complement. Of our three daughters my Puerto Rican Dad favored my blond haired youngest. He called her "La Panecita", meaning little white bread. I had to remind him the three were all his blood. It is a treasure to have families in which the children are of many hues. Each child has his or her own gifts to share. Judging them by skin tone rather than character is evil.
I would love to see a deeper conversation on the sticking point that happened regarding the spectrum or hierarchy of privilege for white - brown latine folks. They touched on it but backed off a bit once there was disagreement. It's be nice to learn more specifics about the history of how the Spanish created that colorism system for political purposes and power/wealth.
Im Venezuelan but I was born in the us and I’m really pale usually so when other people look at me they just see me as a white American because I don’t look Hispanic. People assume I don’t know Spanish because of how white I am and when I start speaking Spanish they are all stunned by the fact that I even have the Spanish accent while speaking Spanish. They think the only reason I know Spanish is cause they teach it in schools but that’s correct I learned from my parents growing up. Everytime someone hears me speak Spanish the first comment I get is “oh I didn’t realize you spoke Spanish, you are really white” then they say to me “you must be from Argentina cause of how white you are” and I’m just like ummmm no… my entire family is Venezuelan and we are all on the whiter side but okay…
You look latina to me 🤷♂️
I know you're Venezuelan but you can also pass for the average young mexican woman from LA. So many with that look. Also keep in mind that facial features matter even more than skin color when determining race. Someone like Halle berry is clearly mixed and you can see that in her face. Pete Davidson is apparently white but he seems to have some African features to his face but who knows if he does or doesn't have African in him.
As a Latino, why aren’t there conservative voices on this panel?
Echo chamber all the way!
ah yes.... the external validation crisis
this is triggering for meee.. how the brown guy with glasses silenced the light guy.. he's body language says everything..
poor guy. AND! I thought that's what this video was for to speak and be heard..
but don't worry my fellow fair skinned guy, the dark guy put a HUGE spot light on that story and outted HIMSELF and his issues..as it pertains to COLORISUM in our community.
These people have never seen breaking bad. Latinos are represented in that.
Being Haitian, I am considered Afro-Latina but checking boxes here there is never a box for me. I always choose black/african-american but I feel like that doesn't properly indicate who I am. Even though we do not speak Spanish in Haiti, we literally share an island with DR, how can half the island be considered part of Latin America but the other half can't because we speak another language.
The same reason the USA isn't considered Latin America and Mexico is, you guys are not latino in any way shape or form, you guys are AFRICANS and have nothing to do with Latin EUROPEANS.
@@carlosm.3426 if you studied Latin American history in school or even google, you will actually know that yes we are considered Latin American, yes our ancestors are from Africa but our country is literally in Latin America… you’re very weird for your comment and the United States is not even part of Latin America so of course it’s not considered that
@@TamaraTodayShow you said both Haiti and DR shared an island and you found it weird that Haiti wouldn't be Latino but the other side would. Well Mexico and the USA also share land and one isn't Latino but the other side is. Latino was a term coined by the French during their intervention in Mexico under Napoleon III, it was a term for WHITES AND MIX RACE of LATIN roots because according to them we belonged in the LATIN RACE physically, linguistically, historically, genetically and traditionally. No where did they ever include Haitians as part of the Latin race, what they did call you guys were AFRICANS, why in the world would you identify with a colonizer term when your people murdered the hundreds of LATINS (French) in your island? Maybe if you guys would've kept your white population and allowed to mix with them, you guys would have been part of their definition of Latino.
@@carlosm.3426 I’m not going to argue with you, like I said if you picked a book looked on a map simple Google search you will get all the answers you need. Have a good night sir
Wooo so much to unpack we will never have peace..
i love the show primos too.
It's wild that y'all thought having a conversation about Latine colorism without Afro Latines was appropriate
It was
Afro Latino *
@@rarnold310 Why don't you hold onto whatever word choice you want and I'll hold onto mine, adios!
@@tainorican718 I mean I GUESS being colorist in a convo about colorism has a sort of meta bs nostalgia for y'all beiges 🙄
@@riestjames7371 haha "beiges" , wow I am a beautiful shade of golden brown
We need a brazilian next time... We may not speak Spanish, but we are Latino too, with lots in common with the rest of Latin America, and being left out kinda... move us away from the Latino community
no, no you’re not, not even close
From a non-American, they just sound American.
People don't pay that much attention to this topic in Latin America it's more here in the United States where people are full of shit on their heads.
true story
Colorist comments do suck. I often got, "Oh but you don't look/sound Puerto Rican" (never liked that.) And it took living in Peru for over half a year to really fit into my own skin as "Latino", by not having the usual American urban pressure to be some thug that only likes this kind of music and dresses that way and lives this kind of lifestyle etc; people outside of this country are actually wwaaaaaay more innately diverse, without the strong cultural stigmas and pressures.
That said, I came to my own conclusions about how I feel about my personal identity, particularly after being surprised by my DNA test results. I'm my own combination of flavors, and love it ~
Also - I don't think deplatforming people and working against free-speech is the way to provoke any sort of actually productive and truly progressive conversation or dialogue; it's actually the opposite, and more of a fascist declaration. Toxic vitriol is pretty much War, and provides the actual offensive crazies out there with much fodder and ammunition. There are smarter ways to be Heard and provoke Discussion.
What in the woke hell is this? Where is the conservative perspective?
Peoples still don't know color.All human but still diffrent.
Aren't they US American-Latinos? Its like European-American would come up with a Title like "Europeans talk about". I mean the discussion has its meaning and value but its the Internet, its global. Besides that it shows that they are not even aware that they look on themselves as still 100% "Latino" like some right wing American has a Notion of what a 100% American is for him and what not. Both Sides struggle to give up parts of their identity.
Por qué no hablan en español???
pork se crean muy verga
He then you don’t put black on the video!!!! Everyone is Mexican!!!! Only one white person, they’re mestizo! WTH is this?!! Where are the afrolatino?!?!!?!?!??!?!
I said the same thing!
Did you not see the woman in the yellow coat? 🤔
@@Marcusjo18 Let me educate you, white people CAN experience racism the same way. Look up the definition of racism and you’ll see. It takes that long to debunk your entire mentality.
@@Nonamelol. okay lol 😆
So you’re saying that you do not acknowledge the black girl sitting there as Latina? She’s Dominican! This is why these videos are needed
Nice job pero like at dividing people instead of talking about how color doesn’t matter 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
gentefied got canceled bc it was corny and us latinos know it. I didn't like it because it felt unaunthetic due to the Americanization of telling the story. Also, if it was latino/a led, why would they shoot a theme that we try to run away from. Not all of us are undocumented or run taco shops and it goes with the grain of typical casting roles. Next time tell a story of a person/people who happens to be latino, not a latino story
I love the brave comment about pronouns and cancellation, all the kudos to him for saying this. "Use my self-perceived pronouns or I will cancel you", talk about privilege and white supremacy. I was once a fierce advocate for the trans community but the last years have really shown me a side of this small community I never want to associate with anymore as a lesbiana. It's toxic masculinity and white supremacy and control at its core and I wish more POC would not play that toxic game.
WE ARE ALL SPANISH MULATTO, JAVA, BLANCA, NERGA STOP TRIPPING ON THAT
not the white latinos saying they experience colorism (negatively)………….
IS NOT A BIG DEAL Baskin-Robbins WE ARE ALL COLORS
there is alot of bending wrist in this show.
Sorry colors race don't exist where i grow up never talk about race only a good or bad person.when you whant atencion then you realize what color is the best bee free we all unic and beautiful colors.
I’m a light skin Mexican And my brother is dark skinned sometimes when we travel he gets pulled aside by airport security