It’s truly shocking the imbalance and abuse of power in the corporate world, the closing of ranks, the self protection at all costs. How many other large corporates are just the same with their lip service to whistle blowing policies in reality most employees would be far too frightened of the consequences to use. They get to know it was you, the kind of facts you give point arrows back to where it came from. There’s no such thing as true whistle blower anonymity.
No credibility left for any of the fujitsu or post office. Their behaviour has been laid bare for all to see during this inquiry. Rewatch the impact statements again and realise what those postmasters were really up against. The lack of respect in this business is a lesson to us all.
There's seems to be no depth of dishonesty to which these people will not go to try and absolve themselves of blame and the stain of moral depravity that the Post Office scandal has unearthed.
Jo bless her is always there. It must be very tiring for her. This has affected such a large part of her life and that of her family. The enormity of this injustice is hard to process
"I didn't say anything like that!" *evidence in emails of them saying it* "What I meant was the opposite of that when I wrote that!" - Every squirming, flailing PO and Fujitsu exec when exposed.
The contempt and bullying of the sub postmasters by both Fujitsu and the Post Office was disgusting! Lives were being ruined and they joked about it! I am glad that the public can see what dreadful people the sub postmasters and postmistresses were up against! They just show contempt and no remorse whatsoever!
I had to wipe away a small tear too, but mine was laughing at this individuals squirming trying to wriggle out of his contempt for SPM. This man is much like many of those who have gone before in this Inquiry, trash
Right up until this email, you could have given him the benefit of the doubt. But after that was revealed... Dunks was neck deep in a company culture of denigrating and ignoring the SPM defendants.
I don't suppose the Fujitsu mindset was or is any different to any other large company. They never think their abhorrent attitude and behaviour will be exposed in this way. According to the evidence given not a single person has done anything seriously or deliberately wrong and yet here we are with our fellow innocent citizens being treated like garbage, criminalised, lives ruined, some driven to suicide, and others dead and buried before even a hint of compensation when the injustice was clear as day. This case has made an absolute mockery of the British justice system. It is only there to keep the proletariat in their place.
Among all the odious witnesses from Fujitsu/POL, this person is one of the more odious. There's a pause at 3:06 when he realises his awfulness has been exposed.
These are a bunch of people who're watching their careers and reputations circle the drain. They should be expecting something worse. He really thought he'd pulled the wool over her eyes.
The faux ignorance he evinced throughout betrayed a man who was stalling whilst he considered not what a truthful answer would be, but what would be least incriminating
She's improved quite a lot during this Inquiry. The finesse in the timing and pauses are becoming first rate. The 'nasty chap' section in particular was one of those moments when the silence is more eloquent than much that has gone on before.
I struggle to fathom the moral outlook of Fujitsu and the Post Office Executives. It’s like they’re in a School playground and trying to win their way into the Gang and look good to the Hierarchy!
Theres been a few ive watched and the denial and ineptitude where fujitsu didnt do any wrong and neither the Post office is amazing. Emails like this showing the direction the team and teams all went. Ease one thing the crippling way these people all worked. Humanity -20
Absolute pack of lies. Theyre all saying that what was clearly said in emails wasnt what they intended.....to Lee Castleton a nasty chap just goes to show the mindset at play here......truly dispicable.
Yes if they all say their emails don’t say what they meant - how did any of them use emails to communicate at all- given they found it so difficult to write what they meant ?
I think he now regrets trying to bignote himself by being an "expert witness". She clearly exposed that he did no checking at all and just said whatever the lawyers wanted him to. Also, very Difficult to see how being a security analyst would have made him an expert in this matter anyway. The issues were not security related. The last lawyer started to ask him about the use of Windows NT well past its use by date, which he might have known something about, but I think he was cooked by then.
Dear all, We have all become familiar with anyone associated with POL & Fujitzu performing in this manner on the witness stand, its the norm now, so don't expect any difference..
Painful watching that guy squirm. Lots of denials, no offers of alternative viewpoints because there weren't any. Remains to be seen how those culpable will be financially affected, they've all been kept in clover since the issue came to public notice.
Read a very astute comment saying, if Dunks (et al) want Fujitsu to continue paying for the lawyers, then they had better stick like glue to the company line. His long pauses when caught out, said it all.
How much has he earned with them over 30 years to be their yes man and do absolutely nothing of consequence. He does not know the meaning of integrity but someone must have suggested he use the word a lot.
Knowing what he must have at the time about the shortcomings of Horizon, I wonder if he ever had a quiet moment to himself where he questioned his and his company's moral responsibility. It's quite frightening how a toxic culture and financial dependency can so easily erase of suppress such moral qualms.
Fugitusu were making sure the blame fell on SPMs for accounting failures... ...to the extent of sending independent expert witness statements to the Post Office before trials....so the Post Office could remove anything relating to failures in Horizon's performance.
These people, always delaying answers, just in case incriminating themselves. If they were telling the truth, the words would just flow . . . Nasty people, taking no responsibility for what damage they ALL contributed towards
Its easy to see why the world is a mess at the present time, no one is taking responsibility for anything and always blaming some one else whilst ruining the lives of innocent people
It’s incredible that ALL questioned in this enquiry constantly went to the default ‘I can’t remember’ …. ALL of them . Perhaps they may remember while in prison !!!!
Now he’s saying he was sensitive to the gravity of the situation, and now he says he was only joking. Was he joking about the gravity of the situation, or seriously considering how amusing it was? Well both, depending on what he wants to deny, apparently.
Today’s evidence highlights two recurrent points I think a) PO and Fujitsu people, at all levels, show no curiosity. They never question the contentious or the plain stupid request b) again, at all levels, there appear to be too few deep technical experts ( Gareth Jenkins aside!) so they simply accept what they’re told about Horizon. It’s the British scourge of the generalist - board members with 1sts in English and PPE and analysts with a few ‘O’ levels ( for the older ones) and little bona fide training beyond that 5:56
Yes - like Paula vennels - who no doubt claims her language degree “taught her to think” yet any whiff of something technical , something involving law - or morals, data, or logic, and she says “I don’t know about that”. That’s a pretty poor level of thinking if you know so little of these things when high up the management tree in a large modern organisation for which legal, operational, data, logic and IT systems will be essential and key. For some reason we’ve allowed it to be acceptable to call oneself educated whilst ignorant of these key skills that only come by education- that are essential for anyone at a high level.
Sewell’s ‘hang people out to dry’ email is, I suspect, indicative of the real attitude of many of the key, and not so key players in this shameful episode. Unlike Jenkins, who the jury still seems to be out on (naïve but not malicious?) Dunks provided nonsense, thicko answers, in a vain attempt to cover up his complicity, wrongdoing and shoddy work - meticulously picked apart today. His sycophantic relationship with the original author of the maliciously flippant business communication mentioned above tells it all. It cannot be unsaid. On a wider point, given the immense difficulty in taking on an entity like POL in court, the very idea that SPMs who had genuinely been “on the take” would take it that far should be a big red flag to anyone who wasn’t predisposed to thinking that ordinary folk are all crooks. The real crooks, as revealed by this fascinating inquiry, are more likely to be the ones armed with designer ties or scarves, who tar honest people with their own corrupt brush.
As far as I can tell, the ‘nasty chap’ comment came from his boss. Why aren’t they asking him about that? This guy is an IT security analyst. Their role is to manage IT security events, review logs, investigate suspicious IT activity etc. He may well have had an opinion on postmasters at the time, but not sure how that’s relevant to his role. Has he made false statements relating to technical facts or something? As a technical witness, he's not responsible for making any judgement at all on the 'nasty chap', and any decent prosecutor would not allow him to. I'm not aware of the reason he was called originally, but likely it would have been to offer a technical opinion on whether specific security related events happened or not. He cannot be relied on for the reason behind an event, only that the event happened.
Probably Mr Dunks will walk away once this inquiry is over and done with "still" under the impression he is his own man, in reality the world looks on knowing he was a yes man, his lack of humanity will stain what reputation he had till he realises his type only survive at the bottom of food chains..
Well, I know we said our priority was to protect Fujitsu rather than help find the truth, but really we meant the opposite. Hmm.... Sounds like an evasive weasel.
This man shows brilliantly what the subpostmasters were up against. He also demonstrates why the public inquiry was necessary.
No the parrot is not dead it's just having a rest.
It’s truly shocking the imbalance and abuse of power in the corporate world, the closing of ranks, the self protection at all costs. How many other large corporates are just the same with their lip service to whistle blowing policies in reality most employees would be far too frightened of the consequences to use. They get to know it was you, the kind of facts you give point arrows back to where it came from. There’s no such thing as true whistle blower anonymity.
Dont forget the government level conspiracy as well and this is just the latest smdh @@jamesrussel1133
Surely hr is going to jail if not then we should ignore thr law
No credibility left for any of the fujitsu or post office. Their behaviour has been laid bare for all to see during this inquiry. Rewatch the impact statements again and realise what those postmasters were really up against. The lack of respect in this business is a lesson to us all.
There's seems to be no depth of dishonesty to which these people will not go to try and absolve themselves of blame and the stain of moral depravity that the Post Office scandal has unearthed.
Yet, fujitsu is a major force still providing IT services for the Australian defence and commonwealth government. So its another PwC brother in arms
Jo bless her is always there. It must be very tiring for her. This has affected such a large part of her life and that of her family. The enormity of this injustice is hard to process
Indeed
Love how she stares at them but has a smile on her face. Scary! But necessary if it stops just a little of the BS.
Her withering stare has been a highlight of this enquiry for me.
Yes and for nearly two years now, too. I was particularly pleased to see Lee Castleton there for this one too.
It gets worse, when are these people going to be brought to account.
When are they all going to get their money back!
Yet another liar
He was clearly not telling the truth the whole time he was just trying to protect his job and his career
Himself full stop.
Another incompetent member of Fujitsu who has been found out by the brilliant lawyers
He's someone who didn't realise that his negligence and lack of attention to detail would cause massive harm to postmasters lives.
Hardly incompetent, he was selected by a Fujitsu to represent them in court! He’s a crook who belongs behind bars.
What a horrible man, shameful.
Integrity, jeez the only people with integrity with this were the SPM.
Is he smart enough to realise he should be deeply embarrassed by this?
I am not convinced he is.
"I didn't say anything like that!"
*evidence in emails of them saying it*
"What I meant was the opposite of that when I wrote that!"
- Every squirming, flailing PO and Fujitsu exec when exposed.
The other stock answer over the course of the inquiry has been "I can see now how it could be read like that but that wasn't my intention".
@@dempand4515 Paula Vennels had the best example. Whole room just laughed at her
@@Electricdreams21yes she excelled .
She’s been showing all the underlings how to do it - Then and now.
The contempt and bullying of the sub postmasters by both Fujitsu and the Post Office was disgusting!
Lives were being ruined and they joked about it!
I am glad that the public can see what dreadful people the sub postmasters and postmistresses were up against!
They just show contempt and no remorse whatsoever!
Closed posture, arms folded or clenched hands. Says it all really.
So making such a nasty and sarcastic comment is supposed to be showing integrity? What a pathetic liar.
My god what a horrible specimen
people like this are in industries everywhere they get away with a lot that is never exposed
My exact thoughts & some of the complete ignorance that they are protecting their own at the cost of many innocent people.
Not actually human
One of many....
I had to wipe away a small tear too, but mine was laughing at this individuals squirming trying to wriggle out of his contempt for SPM. This man is much like many of those who have gone before in this Inquiry, trash
So gross misconduct is their way of dealing with victims
this was excruciating to watch. and still employed
What an absolute liar
Right up until this email, you could have given him the benefit of the doubt.
But after that was revealed...
Dunks was neck deep in a company culture of denigrating and ignoring the SPM defendants.
What a weasel!!
I don't suppose the Fujitsu mindset was or is any different to any other large company. They never think their abhorrent attitude and behaviour will be exposed in this way. According to the evidence given not a single person has done anything seriously or deliberately wrong and yet here we are with our fellow innocent citizens being treated like garbage, criminalised, lives ruined, some driven to suicide, and others dead and buried before even a hint of compensation when the injustice was clear as day. This case has made an absolute mockery of the British justice system. It is only there to keep the proletariat in their place.
These people need to be held to account , it’s an absolute disgrace the way they’ve behaved . Big business v the individual , shocking .
Among all the odious witnesses from Fujitsu/POL, this person is one of the more odious. There's a pause at 3:06 when he realises his awfulness has been exposed.
These are a bunch of people who're watching their careers and reputations circle the drain. They should be expecting something worse. He really thought he'd pulled the wool over her eyes.
Bro! Make it a rule never to put in an email that which you later don't want to be read out in court.
Sounds like a typical software employee arrogant, cocky and sarcastic individual
The faux ignorance he evinced throughout betrayed a man who was stalling whilst he considered not what a truthful answer would be, but what would be least incriminating
She's improved quite a lot during this Inquiry. The finesse in the timing and pauses are becoming first rate. The 'nasty chap' section in particular was one of those moments when the silence is more eloquent than much that has gone on before.
I struggle to fathom the moral outlook of Fujitsu and the Post Office Executives. It’s like they’re in a School playground and trying to win their way into the Gang and look good to the Hierarchy!
I wonder how many more got peerages for absolutely nothing?
He probably took 10 minutes for each witness statement, cutting a pasting from the sacred template.
Make me sick
This chap has no backbone... therefore supported by others to clean the floor before the gang arrives 🤔
Theres been a few ive watched and the denial and ineptitude where fujitsu didnt do any wrong and neither the Post office is amazing. Emails like this showing the direction the team and teams all went. Ease one thing the crippling way these people all worked. Humanity -20
Absolute pack of lies.
Theyre all saying that what was clearly said in emails wasnt what they intended.....to Lee Castleton a nasty chap just goes to show the mindset at play here......truly dispicable.
Yes if they all say their emails don’t say what they meant - how did any of them use emails to communicate at all- given they found it so difficult to write what they meant ?
Another company man who will realise that they will shaft him when there is an issue
I think he now regrets trying to bignote himself by being an "expert witness". She clearly exposed that he did no checking at all and just said whatever the lawyers wanted him to. Also, very Difficult to see how being a security analyst would have made him an expert in this matter anyway. The issues were not security related. The last lawyer started to ask him about the use of Windows NT well past its use by date, which he might have known something about, but I think he was cooked by then.
Paula Venells must pay back £2.2 Million she received in a bonus.......She failed 100%.
Absolute liar, he realises he’s on a sinking ship and will say anything to get off, how do people like that sleep at night
They don't. They just lay there counting their money!
A Company automaton. Never question, never think, I am a robot.
@@shauntaylor6040 We must all learn to love Big Brother
How the hell did they just get awarded ANOTHER government contract???... I think it's time to follow the money!
Going to make for an interesting libel case. I wonder if Fujitsu decide to settle out of court.
I think Fujitsu are liable and are in line for a lot of compensation payouts to a lot of individuals......well that is if there is any justice left.
How embarrassing ☹️
Backbone…..missing. Smoke in the wind. Worth nothing.
Outrageous 😮
Dear all,
We have all become familiar with anyone associated with POL & Fujitzu performing in this manner on the witness stand, its the norm now, so don't expect any difference..
They were justifying the wickedness they were about to embark on.
Painful watching that guy squirm. Lots of denials, no offers of alternative viewpoints because there weren't any. Remains to be seen how those culpable will be financially affected, they've all been kept in clover since the issue came to public notice.
Read a very astute comment saying, if Dunks (et al) want Fujitsu to continue paying for the lawyers, then they had better stick like glue to the company line.
His long pauses when caught out, said it all.
Fujitsu -FUJ 0015 2209 Horizon Inquiry Document Dated 29-02-2005 - 28 days in February 2005 !
How much has he earned with them over 30 years to be their yes man and do absolutely nothing of consequence. He does not know the meaning of integrity but someone must have suggested he use the word a lot.
Knowing what he must have at the time about the shortcomings of Horizon, I wonder if he ever had a quiet moment to himself where he questioned his and his company's moral responsibility. It's quite frightening how a toxic culture and financial dependency can so easily erase of suppress such moral qualms.
always wondered where the expression SLAM DUNK came from
Fiery flora on fine form
Oh Yes it Was liar
Another liar who knew
Fugitusu were making sure the blame fell on SPMs for accounting failures...
...to the extent of sending independent expert witness statements to the Post Office before trials....so the Post Office could remove anything relating to failures in Horizon's performance.
Family members , neighbours , new coworkers of those involved with POL must be horrified.
Mr DUNCE not Dunks
Very obviously realising he’s in trouble and so he’s squirming
🙈🙉🙊 can I get back to playing golf now ?
These people, always delaying answers, just in case incriminating themselves. If they were telling the truth, the words would just flow . . . Nasty people, taking no responsibility for what damage they ALL contributed towards
Dam Liars,the lot of them.
This would fail the reasonable person test.
We all know who the ‘nasty chaps’ are!!!!
Its easy to see why the world is a mess at the present time, no one is taking responsibility for anything and always blaming some one else whilst ruining the lives of innocent people
what the hell dude. grow a pair 😂
has he got difficulties?
This is just about ALL British management.
Common Purpose trained 'leaders'. Ruthless sociopaths.
It’s incredible that ALL questioned in this enquiry constantly went to the default ‘I can’t remember’ …. ALL of them . Perhaps they may remember while in prison !!!!
At the very least such emails are incredibly appalling and unprofessional. Amazing.
Now he’s saying he was sensitive to the gravity of the situation, and now he says he was only joking.
Was he joking about the gravity of the situation, or seriously considering how amusing it was?
Well both, depending on what he wants to deny, apparently.
Awful man😵💫
Did he write to you offering his full backing before this enquiry
A Contemptible, sly , Fujitsu toady.
You've got to love these electronic paper trails. In plain sight for all and sundry to see.
what a second rate company lackey
'second rate' as high as that?
On first rate pay no doubt.
This is despicable
Today’s evidence highlights two recurrent points I think a) PO and Fujitsu people, at all levels, show no curiosity. They never question the contentious or the plain stupid request b) again, at all levels, there appear to be too few deep technical experts ( Gareth Jenkins aside!) so they simply accept what they’re told about Horizon. It’s the British scourge of the generalist - board members with 1sts in English and PPE and analysts with a few ‘O’ levels ( for the older ones) and little bona fide training beyond that 5:56
Yes - like Paula vennels - who no doubt claims her language degree “taught her to think” yet any whiff of something technical , something involving law - or morals, data, or logic, and she says “I don’t know about that”. That’s a pretty poor level of thinking if you know so little of these things when high up the management tree in a large modern organisation for which legal, operational, data, logic and IT systems will be essential and key. For some reason we’ve allowed it to be acceptable to call oneself educated whilst ignorant of these key skills that only come by education- that are essential for anyone at a high level.
Wow where ever he works now must be worried ? ?? And as for him not being able " To see it" try Specsavers
omg, those nasty post masters, LOL, I hope there are legal proceedings to follow
Another creepy Bar Steward
British inquisitors: "You're a snivelling little dung beetle, aren't you Mr Dunks?" "You wear Fujitsu branded nose hairs, don't you, Mr Dunks?"
crocodile tear..tick tock tick tock..time is running out..Hooked
Sewell’s ‘hang people out to dry’ email is, I suspect, indicative of the real attitude of many of the key, and not so key players in this shameful episode. Unlike Jenkins, who the jury still seems to be out on (naïve but not malicious?) Dunks provided nonsense, thicko answers, in a vain attempt to cover up his complicity, wrongdoing and shoddy work - meticulously picked apart today. His sycophantic relationship with the original author of the maliciously flippant business communication mentioned above tells it all. It cannot be unsaid.
On a wider point, given the immense difficulty in taking on an entity like POL in court, the very idea that SPMs who had genuinely been “on the take” would take it that far should be a big red flag to anyone who wasn’t predisposed to thinking that ordinary folk are all crooks. The real crooks, as revealed by this fascinating inquiry, are more likely to be the ones armed with designer ties or scarves, who tar honest people with their own corrupt brush.
Sounds like this guy was thrown to the Lions...
By the establishment
As far as I can tell, the ‘nasty chap’ comment came from his boss. Why aren’t they asking him about that? This guy is an IT security analyst. Their role is to manage IT security events, review logs, investigate suspicious IT activity etc. He may well have had an opinion on postmasters at the time, but not sure how that’s relevant to his role. Has he made false statements relating to technical facts or something? As a technical witness, he's not responsible for making any judgement at all on the 'nasty chap', and any decent prosecutor would not allow him to. I'm not aware of the reason he was called originally, but likely it would have been to offer a technical opinion on whether specific security related events happened or not. He cannot be relied on for the reason behind an event, only that the event happened.
Remember all this should never have seen the light of day. Discrimination at its worst. Disgusting and trying to deny what they have written.
What a little ........!
A team….doing what…
Mr Dunks has been caught out with his own words. A very silly man whose been made to look a complete twerp.
LIAR who got caught and found out. Despicable
That email is a slam DUNK!
Trying to come across as one of the in-crowd, one of the kings of the rubbish heap. Shameful.
they think they are the victims..
What drivel!! Hope he pays the price!!
Probably Mr Dunks will walk away once this inquiry is over and done with "still" under the impression he is his own man, in reality the world looks on knowing he was a yes man, his lack of humanity will stain what reputation he had till he realises his type only survive at the bottom of food chains..
how do you stand behind some thing every one claims not to know
Well, I know we said our priority was to protect Fujitsu rather than help find the truth, but really we meant the opposite.
Hmm....
Sounds like an evasive weasel.
The daft things people put in writing
He's definitely getting a 6am knock on the door