Trying Logic Pro After 10 Years In Ableton
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2022
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I have to say Logic definitely has a lot to offer! Between Ableton and Logic, my preference is Ableton because I can work faster on it. But if I wasn't able to use Ableton ever again, I would probably be able to make all the same stuff on Logic, there would just be a bit of a learning curve.
Comment some of the cool Logic features that you think gives it an edge over other DAWs, I'm curious to know!
Thanks for watching and remember that I read all the comments and appreciate all feedback, questions, and thoughts!
Hey Ethan - I loved the authenticity of this video along with all of the others I've seen on your channel. I recently made the switch to Ableton from Logic after being a Logic head for 6 years. It's been around 6 months since I've switched over, so I can say a few things.
I guess I'll start with the synths... ES M is insanely simple and super slept on (imo) mono synth that is great for sub basses and acid sounds. It''s extremely intuitive and relatively easy to get some nice sound out of. Since switching to ableton I have yet to find a synth that is that simple and robust to create those sounds. ES2 has some good sounds as well, and you can basically do anything with it, but I would often opt for different, easier to use synths such as ES P or Retrosynth. Retrosynth is great for beginners and you can make some relatively complex sounds (as far as subtractive synthesis can stretch lol). E FM is garbage, I've never been able to use it effectively, same with ES E. Alchemy has some really complex presets and lots of customizability, but the system for modulation is not as great as other 3rd party synths like Serum or even Surge XT. It also annihilates your cpu, so that's fun
wow this is a LOT of helpful for Logic. thank you for sharing, pinned (:
@@CompleteProducer Thank you sir!!!
@@CompleteProducerhave you try LMMS? Don´t do it, that f... daw should call Puzzle DAW or some kind of Windows 11, a tottaly nighmare! And Live... for God sake, is there any Daw better than Live? As Maccauly said once: - I don´t think so!
@@CinoPORakaDjCinobro said LMMS 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 you got Me really lmfao here 😂🤣😂
Большое спасибо за подробное и интересное видео
I'm currently looking into which DAW I should dig deeper into. I'm glad I discovered your lovely videos and your warm manner. It will probably be Ableton, because it's also a gut feeling, 3 months trial is really good. I will probably watch your videos more often, and probably also the masterclass. Thank you and keep up the good work! ♥
Such a great video! Just what I was looking for :)
I started with Ableton and really enjoyed it. A project I was involved with was in Logic and I made the switch. It became very un-fun to spend time working on music as I was battling both moving from a PC to a Mac and from Ableton to Logic. That project recently ended and popped Ableton open and spent several hours making music. It is closer to the way my brain works and will be the go-forward. Both great pieces of software as you said but one is just easier for me to get my head around.
Love your energy bro!!!
Thank you for this. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
I really love this video, as it shows me what to expect when I do get logic. The reason for that being I am blind, and use a screenreader to navigate my devices. I have many blind friends who use logic and I’ve played around with it myself, and it is very screenreader friendly, and very easy to navigate. However i have not heard anyone say Ableton has the same accessibility as Logic, and i haven’t had a chance to test that. However seeing as I have gotten pretty used to Logic, I can say I love it, and can’t wait to get it on my own computer.
Glad to hear you were able to find a DAW that works for you! Before this I've never considered what the best DAW for someone who is blind is. That's so interesting to me. Thank you for sharing and keep making music!
Cmd + D in ableton is Cmd + R in logic!! I hope this helps for any future logic sessions
It looks like it's not the same since in ableton it keeps the gap between the regions but in logic it makes them stacked
@@delirnik use marquee tool for the same effect as in ableton
@@kroh it works, thanks!
@@delirnikgaps are good for making subtle changes to loops in a song arrangement.
ctrl L splits them if they are not split ip.
ctrl J joins them together
Rublicate. You know, like Bublicate in FL Studio
Ive been using both for decades. They're both super easy to use. My favorite thing about ableton is that everything is drag and drop and the browser is the best in the business which makes it a great took to create a beat very quickly. logic is my go-to all-in-one DAW (recording, mixing, scoring, beatmaking). Pick what you like and what works for you There is no sound difference between any DAW. The workflow is what matters most for the end product. If youre frustrated or uninspired then the final product wont come out as good. If you're workflow is strong then youre product will "sound" better.
This is a great video thanks for posting!
A quick way to Zoom in Logic is "Command and arrow keys." A quicker way to Duplicate is "Command R" in Logic.
i KNEW there was something haha thank you
Just press z😊
Thx so much I use logic I didn’t know this
duuude i love that video. i have subscribed. sending much support ❤
Fun video! I appreciate that this video had all the snark I would expect from a Logic vs Ableton video but is ultimately playful and recognizes that both are great tools and the main difference between them is how well you know one versus the other! Subscribed!
I started in Logic and switched to Ableton. At this point, I don’t know that one is really better than the other, but I’m a big fan of Ableton Push and that’s the main thing keeping me on Ableton.
(FWIW, Apple has a similar thing in the Logic Remote app for iPad…it’s sort of the “Push” for Logic. And it works well - but for me a touch screen just doesn’t compare to the physical controls on the Push).
love your vids bro!
thank you!
Bro 😎 you was killing with how to repeat and time stretch in Logic there’s many was to do the time stretching in Logic, like using Live Loops section in Logic or doing it with Flex Pitch
Brilliant content, love your humour.
logic x is amazing..after 10 years still love it!!! I started on ableton too but switched to logic and don't regret at all....
@@Vivaildino upgrade fees with logic
@@Vivaildi to me, ableton is much more beginner friendly. But logic is prettier
@@Vivaildi Logic user here. I think Logic has some amazing stock instruments, effects and sound bank, and the UI is amazing and colorful lol. Also, most people don't dive enough into it, when you know the shortcuts and tricks, it really improve the workflow 100%. MIDI editing is neat. And it keeps getting better with all the recent updates (Quick Sampler and Sampler, Live loops, Sample alchemy, Beat breaker, new Apple loops) which are all free.
I just wish they had a system similar to Ableton's effect racks and that there were more possibilities of modulations (only MIDI track and no MSEG). With those it would the perfect DAW.
After having tried Logic Pro on the iPad, the insane drum sequencer is really tempting me from Ableton land.
This is the best Ableton channel I have found on youtube so far. Thank you
wow thank you!
You are hilarious. This is the most fun ive had watching a video in a long time! (currently a logic user looking to switch to ableton, but watching WHY, may i shouldn't switch...)
Thank U!!! Gracias gracias gracias!!! You make me see the light at the end my tunel hahaha... well i'll continue studying ableton... seriously. Love from Buenos Aires :)
Hey Ethan! Thanks for your time and effort creating videos, I love them!
I am an video editor and just getting started to get into music production and your videos are really helpful for me. :)
After watching this video I was wondering if you would share your Abelton hot keys with us?
I feel like watching your videos and being able to use the same hot keys as you would help aaaaaalot!
Hey TRUPROJECTS! If you watch my video called The Best Ableton 11 Beginner Guide I have my recommended hotkeys. Hope that helps! Thanks for saying all that as well (:
Awesome video , currently at this point in my mixing career. Question, what do you use to record your computer's audio in stereo?
theres a sick thing called audio hijack if you're on mac. check it out
I used them both and like them both. Ultimately, I went with Logic. I miss the envelope follower in Ableton, though.
In this year I got Live 11 Suite after being Logic user since Emagic Logic 5 =)
For me it like you went from yacht to helicopter piloting =)
But, yeah, it’s really interesting to try something new and go from comfort zone
yeah i think a lot of people have different experiences. making the switch to something other than what you're used to has a big learning curve haha
I felt the same way I’m doing the reverse of you!!! I’m using AL for stage tho!!! They both play a useful role in my production!!!
10:56 Hey Ethan ! I would absolutely love to see a detailed explanation on how you made this beat/getting access to the session. It's absolutely fire ! Willing to pay for it ofc
That was interesting. I've tried many times to get into Ableton, but i find it completely unintuitive. But, i started a long time ago, when all sequencers had a more traditional 'tape'/linear layout. Mark of the Unicorn was my first sequencer/DAW. I moved to Logic afterward. Tried Reason, went back to Logic. Now, because so many 'dance' producers use Ableton, i keep trying to like it, but it never makes sense. The one thing i do like is having a full chain of effects visually represented at once, but then that's countered by that UI not looking like those individual plugins as they were designed. Ableton shows you a lot of stuff at once, but it's also showing you stuff you're not using. Re: colors and keyboard shortcuts, i'm pretty sure you can tailor Logic in similar ways. Learning shortcuts is the same for every DAW-either memorize the new thing or change the commands to match what you think they should be.
yeah you can definitely adjust the key commands on either one to make it ideal for what you're used to. also, i would try Ableton for a week or so and see if you get used to it!
@@CompleteProducer Thanks. Will do. The only thing stopping me now is the clumsiness in trying to get an external/hardware synth to work via USB audio, and thinking i need to have both an Aggregate Device track *and* another type of track enabled. I'm sure that's wrong, but it's the only way i get sound out of it.... Oh, well. More research to do.
Ableton is an instrument in and of itself.
Would be cool if Ableton came as a vst one day to use in a traditional daw.
I find the only thing I am missing out of protools are all the cutting and dropping tools. Ableton is centered around the sequencer not necessarily the editor
i had the same experience. messed around with Ableton for years and I felt like an idiot. Then I tried logic and everything makes sense and my creative workflow is tenfold
There are aspects of Ableton that are more intuitive for sure (time stretching and MIDI controller assignment , for example), but it’s hard to deny that the overall look and feel of Logic is more inviting to most people than Ableton’s spreadsheet-like UI. Ableton is actually pretty intuitive, but it doesn’t LOOK very intuitive at first glance when you’re new to it. 😁
Heyyy I actually did the opposite recently! Bought ableton after using logic for 10 years. I’ve used ableton before here and there but always felt like a bushman when I did (like how you may have felt when using logic) and that was mostly cause the shortkeys are different, and also behaviours are different… (like even play behaviour what..)
But totally agree both are so powerful. I’m learning ableton mostly just for the switch of inspo. Would be interesting to see you do a video of tips and tricks for people switching to ableton!
The way you see Logic is the way I see Ableton. All you need are the shortcuts. Logic is easy. Ableton is taking me time.
I’m a software engineer and I can attest to the fact that Ableton is a usability nightmare!!! I open the interface and I don’t even know how to get started so I just close it and open logic again. I started using logic and created several songs the very same day. Ableton needs and overhaul!
I would not say that, for some people, like myself, it is the most simple of any DAW I have tried. I do have many many years of experience on it. These days all DAWs are so capable that the one that vibes with you will be more than adequate for most tasks. Definitely does not need an overhaul but there are some features I would love added like stem separation and some more piano roll features ala FL studio. @@deecm22
Hahahaha, as a Logic user, I very much agree with your point of view.
@@deecm22 It's true. When I open Ableton I don't even know where to start. It's a nightmare.
@@deecm22yeah! Logic is typically „Apple“! It’s simple, visually appealing and clean looking and it simply works! That’s why i love apple so much! I used only windows and android most of my lifetime. Switched to an iphone to test why so many people swear on it. And never came back! I use an iphone since then, bought an ipad pro and a mac mini and these things just work fluid on all things and work perfectly together! That’s why i tested logic pro too and it’s simply apple, it works perfectly and is clean like all the other products from apple. 👌🏼
at 8:11
What setting did you do to get the loop to warp and line up at the correct BPM?
You one funny guy! Seriously, I know how you feel about your first love (DAW). For me it was Master Tracks Pro in the 1980s on a Commodore Amiga (stop laughing!). I’ve been using Logic for nearly as long as it’s been around, and it’s pretty second nature to me, just as Abelton Live is for you. For “baby” music makers, the wonderful world of digital audio workstations is entering a new level of amazing! So, I’m a bit envious - but also really excited for you!
10 years for me too, since I knocked a glass of wine by guitar neck onto my Mac :) finally now I have Ultra, though playing Live still. Wanted to give Logic a nostalgic try. You did it for me the fun way :)
….. one reason I also institutionalized to Ableton it’s shortcuts and Push 2. Wish it can work same way for Logic or …. god forbid Luna …….. coolest DAWs name starts with L.. haha
load the sample and set your loop using the yellow locators bar.
then click Command \
to crop the sample.
Only hesitation I have that’s keeping me from switching to ableton is that there’s no Flex Pitch. SUPER easy to add to backing vocals to tune a note or 2 instead of an overpowered Melodyne for every. Single. Track.
I’d love to see how people edit and tune vocals quickly in ableton. Any advice or videos would be encouraging.
it's hard to tune vocals in just ableton. well, maybe not hard, but it can take a while. i used wavestune realtime and it works great for me.
I feel the same way about Ableton. A buddy gave me a license and I just couldn’t get into it.
There is no planet in the universe where a person learning their first DAW would learn ableton more easily. No no no way!!
I have worked on almost every DAW and ableton live is the best for music production & Audio engineering
Very humorous comparison. 😎 Well I‘m just a hobby amateur musician who uses Logic and I think if you‘d worked with Logic all the time and now tried Ableton in the same manner it would be exact the same result, just the other way round: you‘d have said the absolute same of Logic as you said of Ableton. I’m absolutely sure about that. I hardly ever subscribed to a user of another DAW, not because another DAW is less good, but because I want to be taught in Logic! And I’ll never change to another DAW. Thanks for this funny but absolute professional video!
Is the john balaya song out in the meantime? Really sounds fire! 🔥
I would add logic to my arsenal if there was a windows version available lol. I just got the desire to try something different recently so I tried band labs cakewalk but idk if there’s really any advantages to it, on the other hand it is nice to have a change of atmosphere so to speak.
fair enough. yeah a lot of times it's helpful to go with the DAW that has the most tutorials so you can go to youtube with your questions.
It’s what you’re used to. I’ve tried Reason, Cubase, ProTools, Digital Performer and ended up on Logic because I’m a Mac user. I tried Abelton and it seems more oriented to loop based music, while I tend to think in a more old school linear way. Same with things like Push 2 doesn’t suit my workflow.
Lol I appreciate your authenticity in todays video. I relate haha.
Nice Bassline!
When I was in school for my first DAW class I had to pick a DAW that wasn’t ProTools or logic and then do a project on it. I chose able 10 because the guy that I ended up making dance music with while at school had already been using it, and now 12-13 years later I’m still use it. I don’t think I’ll ever switch. Lol.
yes! it's the best! (for those who prefer it haha)
Loving your take - being a Logic freak ;)
All the things you described in Albelton at the end you can do in logic as if not more easy , if you know ofcourse, further logic is a more powerful DAW as in it can do
Kind of both pro tools and ableton , also it’s 200 bucks forever free updates ! Had to pay 500 more just to get take lanes something logic has had forever , I use both for different things but mainly use logic as it’s what I started on.
i switched from logic to ableton around 8 years ago and neverrrr looked back. Logic is great for recording and mixing bands and is a contender for Pro-Tools in that arena, but ableton is a producers daw and geared towards electronic production with creativity in mind and it's so sick if that's your flow. i love ableton, can't wait for 12!!
it was the same thing for me to switch to Ableton after a year in Logic. But pro like you catching up everything super fast. just another proof that if you know one DAW very good, you'll be alright eventually with any DAW.
Ableton looks like Microsoft Excel 😂😂😂😂😂 #LogicGang
hahahaha
Ethan, I switched from Logic to Ableton this year. And I feel the same feelings about Ableton as you do about Logic in this video lol.
stick it out, i switched 7 years ago and it was the best decision i've made. you'll love ableton once u get the flow, i learn new shit every day still haha
I’ve been abletoning since 2015 and love it but I’ve been a little bi curious myself about logic. Mainly because everyone who uses ableton seems to make electronic 4 on the floor music exclusively (except Tame Impala), but I make rock music (like tame impala/Beatles). So I feel like I should be using logic or protools but idk my bff Jill
Whatever DAW you use is the best. Learn to use it properly , whatever it is, and you’ll make great stuff.
I am a logic user and have been for 15 years. It just keeps getting better and better.
Set the mood, then click open! Lmao so relatable. I think a lot of us probably do some ritual right before we sesh to set the mood just right. Love ur content
The things for me, is the details. The ins and outs. The opens and closed. The details that actually add swing and organic substance. It’s hard to actually change things in such small details to actually get that vibe and sound.
Don't sleep on the value of session view. It's changed my creative workflow completely and the optimum workflow for teasing out ideas. I know for experienced producers it's hard to switch view but f you're new to DAWs i'd highly recommend you learn to use session view for creating and developing you musical ideas.
I've used it for live performance stuff andit worked pretty well. but yes you're right, im so deep in my ways haha
@@CompleteProducer it's all about finding what works best for you. Another great thing about Ableton is it's flexibility in that regard. 👍
I really love your video bg music it feels nostalgic
Low key banger!
Everything you show that you can do in ableton you can do in logic but I appreciate the authenticity
Also changing from Ableton to Logic - I don't know if I'm imagining it, but I think everything sounds better on Logic than on Ableton.
Its in your mind, ableton sounds better in real life
If you going back to your beginner stage what would you chose to learn the ableton or logic
Ableton for sure.
If you are buying the latest version of Logic then you won't be able to use the older more reliable macbooks from 2012 and 2015, both my personal faves. You'll need a newer mac with a newer OS. However, with ableton, you can use it with an older Mac OS so if you have a 2015 macbook then you are good to go with Ableton. I'm on an old pirate copy of logic from a few years ago that I cannot update. I want a new fresh copy of logic but it will require me dropping at least 1300 bucks for a used 16 inch M1 chip Macbook so I can get the newer OS. I am trying to decide if I wanna buy Ableton standard while it's on sale and see how it runs on my 2015 macbook pro with 16gb RAM or do I buy an M1 chIp macbook and get logic. The most expensive option would be M1 macbook plus ableton
I was holding Command + R for like half that video 🤣
Recently switched to Logic cause the metering and whole mixing through buses was giving me a lot of issues.
I agree Live is so much faster for sound manipulation and the quality of Warp is unmatched pretty much any daw,
what is that search app youre using when you want a sample or etc?
splice!
Do tech house mix master tutorials on Logic Pro x
dude that song in ableton was fire
You took a kind of boring subject (Ableton → Logic switch) and made it fun, funny, informative and entertaining. Big thumbs up. 👍
I appreciate that!!
I feel like Ableton might be a little too much for what I need. I don't do anything live, and I usually end up using presets.
i use mostly presets as well haha
I miss ableton but their upgrades and costs pissed me off. Leaving and learning logic asap
Bought Logic now I'm stuck with it, but I do envy ableton
Logic is great too! if you keep going youll be a whiz in no time.
You made a good choice. I like and use them both, but Logic is my choice out of the two most of the time.
I am loving ableton live
@11:30 wow that's surprising. I actually never liked the visual aspect of Ableton. I was forced over, transitioning from Cubase, cause i needed a real live-performance environment. But: i find Ableton soooo incredibly ugly. Truly shows that it s just a matter of taste. But when it comes to in detail midi editing and a better handling of multi monitors, Cubase is much better. Visually, compared to Ableton, I like Bitwig much more. Seeing the content of clips!!! Waveforms, Midi notes! Awesome! Even the play-progress is visible in the clip view, while in Ableton it's only far below the clip. Buuut: Bitwig lacks a few Ableton things i would miss so i cant change yet. It's quite a journey with all the DAWs and VSTs, haha.
@@Vivaildi haha absolutely! Btw after further testing Bitwig, i made a huge video about it, just in case you’re interested
It took me up until the push 2 came out to really get into ableton.i thought the user interface was ugly and was not user friendly at allll lol.i love it now but I also love reason as well and it’s much easier then both of those.
nice! haha i havent tried reason because back in the day they didnt allow 3rd party plugins
You need to do this with mixcraft ❤
Oh my god, I'm gonna need a John Balaya song breakdown. Teach us how to Disclosure 🎶
haha John Balaya is the best babyyyyyy. I'm sure I'll use more of that project to explain concept in the future. plus i got an EP coming at you pretty soon!
I don't know why this wasn't showing up in the context menus, but Command T is the command to split a track. That's why it doesn't make a new track. To me, an idiot, Command N is what I'd expect for a new track, but that makes a new project, so it's Option Command N, which is pretty logical I would say. Command T in Final Cut Pro is the trim tool, that splits a video clip, so it's the exact same command in logic to trim the track, or split it rather. Just different commands for different workflows.
Also another thing. I know tempo warping and what not is a big thing in Ableton, but Logic has a very big trick up its sleeve. If you click on "keep" right under the tempo at the top, then open the preferences for the project tempo, you can set imported tracks to be analyzed and synced automagically. Logic will read the audio and find the downbeats and match the tempo as best as it can. Sometimes you have to open the editor and give it hints where downbeats are, but usually you do this once or twice and apply it and Logic will figure out the entire track tempo and you have to do nothing else to it. It's insanely powerful. Logic can also do the inverse and retain the imported file tempo and instead change the project tempo to match it instead.
I am fluent in Sonar, Abbleton, protools, steinberg, fruity loops, and logic. Logic is absolutey the last DAW I would use. You can't quick master in Logic; the tools aren't there and the layout of requires way too much mousing movement. If you're a pro use: abbleton, studio one, steinberg, protools, or even cakewalk for mastering Audio tracks. Fruity Loops, Garage Band, Logic, are for making midi tracks. This video is absolutely correct. I am only here because I was trying to master someone's Logic track and I ended up mastering it, but I told him that I will never do it again.
"Warp" is called "Flex" in Logic
I’m a Logic user for life and my one and only time trying Ableton was a lot like this 😆 …only a lot worse lol
At the end of the day it's all about muscle memory. Hotkeys are everything for efficiency.
as a logic user, I'm sure it'd take me ages to get something done in Ableton.
For me zooming in Ableton is horrible. Like trying to hit bullseye on a moving dart board
lol you made me laugh so much. I can relate.
(:
Ironically I just jumped on Ableton for the first time ever just to try it out. After using Logic Pro for over 15 years. I’m so lost lol. But it seems pretty cool and powerful DAW.
i love you ethan! :)
bruuuhh, When are you dropping Goose Fat? Shit slaps
I am a beginner. And I started with ableton 3 years ago. I had to watch a few tutorials and it wasn’t hard to understand. But once you get deeper into electronic music theory, it is pretty much like math or coding. You have to Google stuff and you will learn completely new ways of making music. Garage band and logic is great for kids.
Just curious. You _bought_ Logic just to try it while Apple offers you to try it for free?
10:40 - dude, please be honest. To say Ableton is "150 bucks more" is kind of disingenuous. A fair comparison would be the price of Suite, given the sheer amount of quality stuff Logic comes with (sounds & FX). So the difference is a LOT more than 150 quid, plus Ableton has paid upgrades way more regularly than LPX. The list of things (from 10:18) that Live supposedly does better is a bit biased as well (or simply uninformed). Tbf though, the browser in Live really is way better (cmd+f and type the first few letters -> boom!); selecting plugins in LPX otoh gets really tedious. The quick selection remembers only the last 5 plugins used; so lots of menu diving to get the right plug. Live is also the best when it comes to giving info at a glance on small laptop screens.
Not hating, tbh I'd be using Live if their pricing wasn't as predatory - due to the unified browser and better UI on small screens. It's super efficient. Coming from Logic, and not owning a gazillion third party VSTs, Live Standard would be a massive (!) downgrade in everything except workflow. Logic is easily the best bang for the buck only 2nd to FL.
Bro love it, but you’re not using dark theme on Ableton……….
Command c to copy
Command v to paste
Are you suggesting ableton because you sell ableton training?
I've been trying to get Ableton to sponsor a video or give me some kind of discount I can offer to students, but I've had no luck so far. I suggest Ableton because I love using it, and it's the easiest DAW for me to bring my ideas to life. It's also the DAW I'm most proficient with and the most qualified to teach on.
If you hit L you can loop your regions.
This is goofy but, the thing i cant stand about Ableton, is that all the track parameters are on the right side of the screen. EVERY other DAW they are on the left, and its so uncomfortable for me. I want to love Ableton but.......ugh i hate that.
I love you Adam Sandler
as a logic pro user, this was painful to watch 😂 but great video nonetheless
haha im sure if i watched the ableton equivalent i would be pulling my hair out
Nice video man. although it might be a little hard after 10 years of experience to be objective about it, just saying
he’s been using Ableton for 10 years and uses logic for an hour and says it’s not as intuitive. that’s so dishonest.
I got really good at logic in two weeks. It took me five years on Ableton
You would love fl studio
Yeah it kills the mood. I was forced to learn it tho. SMH.