Logic has some midi options you might have missed that allow for controlled randomness on a variety of parameters. With the notes of your choice highlighted in the piano roll, press CMD+9 to access the midi transform window. Live 11 definitely still takes the cake in that category, but you’d be surprised how robust that feature actually is in Logic. It’s worth checking out if you haven’t used it before.
Hey bud - thanks so much for the suggestion. I've played around with the midi transform window (I show this in some of the other videos on the boombox channel, but it definitely doesn't feel as intuitive or present as it is in Ableton. Last thing I think we we want to do when being creative is go fishing around!
This is such a basic comparison. Like I'm waiting on someone to really do an in-depth comparison .. You sound Bias to Live. Live is great.. but you're cheating Logic lol
What would you like for an in-depth comparison? Did you see my last video on Ableton VS Logic... you might find the answers you're looking for there ;)
The biggest advantage Logic has was never mentioned, which is price. Logic is 200$ that’s one time charge and u get it all including updates, now just to get a similar version of Ablelton. Ur paying 500$ to also get the sound library that’s now 700$. Oh and don’t forget every year around Christmas ur gifted with the 200$ updates. So really is it worth a few quality of life fixes to spend 500$ more up front, and 200$ more each yer.
@@lelkesviktor3062 so add 700 to the price of the pc cause that’s what Abelton cost plus I promise u that the M2 MacBook Pro with 16 gigs that u can get for that price will blow the pc away
By default this is an unfair comparison. You’re comparing $700 software to a $200 one, which comes with FREE single version updates. Bought Logic X back in 2013 and I’m still getting updates to this day. Even the ‘mid tier’ version of Ableton with its incomplete set of tools is STILL more expensive than Logic. The yearly Ableton updates costs the same cost of Logic itself. So ridiculous.
Logic is incredibly cheap. The reason for that is you have to buy Apple hardware to use it. Back in the days, Logic 8 and 9 were $500, which was still way cheaper that its competitors. However, apple computers are not cheap…
@@kingofdjembe That's true, however, most people I see including this very channel uses a Mac. So on top of buying an expensive computer they're also using a ridiculously expensive and overpriced DAW.
That’s a very valid point. Ableton is more expensive but you can run it on a much cheaper computer. Whereas Logic needs to be on a much more expensive Mac. As far as processing and life span go though, Mac seem to outlast PC and can be a great long term investment
man.. everybody says logic for prod and pro tools for mix/mast. so should it be ableton for prod and protools for mixing, or is that unnecessary? so is logic the better middle gound? instead of just buying 2/3 of them
@@capokelleyyou can choose to let everybody tell you how to do everything in life, or figure out the workflow that honestly works best for you. Some people have the luxury to do that sure and others are lucky to have anything. I’m thankful to have logic. I love making music and have fun with it, I wouldn’t want to learn a new daw at the moment
That's great that you are able to use it with such power! I personally still think Logic's recording and mixing capabilities go beyond Ableton from a workflow stand point but at the end of the day its what works for you :) what other DAW's did you like?
@@NoizeLondonCan you please give an example when you say "recording and mixing capabilities"? I heard couple of people said it about logic but i could never imagine in my head what they meant. Its almost like same plugins work differently in these DAWS?(kidding ofc).
Actually an important consideration maybe tilting in Ableton's favour is the amount of music production tutorial content there is out there for it. For electronica styles I mean. Most of them include project files and templates and sample content etc to get you started. That can be a decisive factor. You can adapt that content but it's so much easier to just follow along.
Thanks for sharing pal - that's a definitely a bonus, but I also think we shouldn't be limited by a tutorial just because it's on one DAW. The same principles can be applied to all DAW's in reality don't you think?
@@NoizeLondon Sure. I do think all of this can be adapted of course. I guess my point was more along the lines of it is easier to just follow along. Especially if you're just starting out. Rather than having to look at tutorials and have to translate to your own environment. But yeah, it can adapted to any daw.
I agree with you but Logic has MusicTechHelpGuy. He has the single BEST YT channel on music production in Logic by far. Even if you don't use Logic there are a lot of cool things that you can learn from his videos and use in other DAWs or even plugins. A lot of people who do content videos or how-to guides may be experts at what they do (although a lot of them clearly aren't), but with MusicTechHelpGuy not only do you have someone who actually knows how to teach and is a college-level educator, but also provides entire courses and FOR FREE, right here on YT. I spent years in both Ableton and Logic, and I have now been in just Logic for over 5 years. I have kept updating Ableton until v11 but now that Rewire is gone I will not be updating or going back to Ableton. And most of that is due to MusicTechHelpGuy.
@@teemad Fair enough. I wasn't actually talking about how-to/tutorials about the DAW itself and how to do things in it. I meant strictly production. Something like this for example: ua-cam.com/video/-12FXunzWaU/v-deo.html That guy doesn't teach you how to do Ableton related stuff. The focus is on how to make "that". Whatever that happens to be. So yeah you can apply that to Logic sure but there will be a little extra work required to translate that. I think that was the crux of my point. Do you want to add that bit of extra work to your day? Or would you rather just follow along in the beginning?
Ableton is superior in almost everything, but Logic is more intuitive and has banger legacy samples and plugins ( drums, guitars, horns) also the aesthetic of Logic is really nice to me.
i use both for a couple of years. in my opinion Logic has the best sound engine after Pro Tools, it sounds organic to my ear while Live sounds to digital. you need a lot of experience in sound selection and mixing to make your tracks sound better. also there some areas where Logic shines for example, in tracking or mixing or midi capabilities, customizing templates for better workflow like making screen-sets, customizing key-commands, also its multi-zooming functions. but for basic edm or hiphop productions and fast workflow or sound design or making pre-live-sets Ableton Live is the way to go
I hate to say it but all DAWs sound the same... the tools within them make them better for certain areas of music (production VS engineering) but they all do the same thing at the end of the day
@@watchboombox believe they're not, i know a lot of djs start on ableton live because its easy and end up on logic or pro tools or S1 because of sound engine
I have macro keys on my Logitech keyboard so setup 6 different shortcuts to these keys so it’s one press and done. I also have shortcuts such as new midi track assigned to buttons on my mouse. Such a time saver
I've worked in Logic Pro for around 9 years and just switched to Ableton 12. I've been using it for a few days and I feel like the sound design tools are very intuitive and easy to use. However, I haven't found a way to properly engineer my vocals and that's a big con. I still have my logic purchased looong time ago, and still, the vocal features are very easy to use (the pitch correction is genius), so I'm considering working with both for different stages. Haven't tried to master with Ableton yet so I'm not sure about that. I guess we'll see...
I hear you on this one - Ableton is great for production. That's not to say that you can't also engineer vocals however, I do think that Logic is far superior when it comes to recording and mixing.
@@watchboomboxseguro no me entiendes pero me pasa el mismo problema con las voces… siento que tiene muchos problemas algunas se entre cortan con 60% y para mezclar o masterizar me pasan algunos problemas pero para crear Beats está bien pero quiero ver que ofrecen otras
Reaper for me. Can do anything and with some community made scripts, it's more powerful than anything out there. ( I've used Ableton, FL, Pro tools, Cubase, S1 etc.)
@@capokelley I currently have like 7 daws installed on my PC. Ableton, FL, Cubase, S1, Bitwig, Reaper, Reason but Reaper is diff. Reaper pretty much has everything he showed in the video and more lol. But use whatever works for you.
If you have taken enough time using ableton you know you can hide those return tracks in the arrange view by clicking "View" then "Arrangement Track Controls" and diselecting the Return Tracks. Do this in the arrangement View
Awesome video Fabio ✌️ I’ve tried Ableton many times, but as a designer I just can’t handle the Excel-look - I need the UI to be pleasing to the eye 🤩 I hope that Apple will upgrade their Logic-team, cos we need more features and *sigh a better browser! Please do some “How I work in Logic workflow” vids ❤
I couldn’t agree more, for some reason the way that logic looks makes me so much happier to use the program. Ableton hurts my eyes! Probably the reason I use Final Cut over premier as well yet I pay for both
nope. it's only logic pro. just look at all of apple's documentation and publicity for the last several years. they purposefully changed it. @@watchboombox
Abe12's UI is trying to be what Logic is already. For example, Abe 12's new "3D" setting already exists in Logic by default. Apple has your back when it comes to lighting and this is reflected in most Apple apps. Track stacks are more sophisticated and easier to use in Logic. Plus, you can do unlimited track stacks in Logic. I can talk about many Logic features that Abe 12 is missing which you left out of your presentation. You failed to mention that ABE 12 is crash-prone (beta software) and not as stable as Logic. There's more.
One of the craziest features about logic that doesn't get enough attention imo. The quick sampler: when you add a pitched percussion sample to quick sampler in the normal mode. Then you right click the waveform. Click retune. Now you have the pitch of your perc sample. for melodic percussion of any kind this is incredible. Even if you use ableton I highly recommend having a few mornings where you set 30-60 minutes aside with the coffee and slowly label your perc samples with their root pitch. for me personally it gets it right 19/20 times. As someone who owns saturn and spectra shout out to roar its incredible and takes the crown. The modulation is super easy in roar and its super easy to just turn one of the boxes with a number and just double click to reset it if you dont like your change. As someone whos had 12 beta since a few days after it was announced I'm personally sticking with logic pro which actually sucks bc i live in a city where everyone uses ableton. I will say with the changes to 12 there is only 1 thing keeping me from switching. It sounds so dumb. but when you force close a plugin with escape or closing it out you have to press the little wrench in ableton to open it back up. also the command in 12 for the mixer is option+command+m for the mixer if i understood your question.
Dude thanks so much for this! Yeah that's very true I totally took that Logic feature for granted. Thanks for the shortcut too... I mean they couldn't have made it any longer could they haha
Ableton is midi mappable and does not lose it’a saved midi information. At Logic Pro, 14 years now midi mapping is so unstable, it’s been really a nightmare. Every now and then aux sends mapped knobs are lost , don’t work after a few days of work. It’s unbelievable. If logic were consistent in that area, logic would be the best DAW by far. Ableton was so great with my performance in theatre because of its consistency. But for live music I still use logic due to my Sampler (exs24) presets. It’s really a decision to move all this work to Ableton. It would take weeks but I’m thinking about it. Really, Apple do something with midi mapping. Everybody has issues in the forums so many years now.
Why not? People are drawn to aesthetics.. if you're going to be staring at something for multiple hours a day you might want to consider how it looks ;)
..if you add loops folder to untagged loops logic will sync all the loops to the tempo while in preview...👍..I like ableton too but its the only daw on the planet now that does not have custom key commands..I cant live without that...regards
"The majority of producers are working from a laptop" ... I highly doubt this. I'd think most producers have kind of a studio with synths, recording gear, mixer etc. so a powerful computer and one or more big monitors make much more sense.
They've all been free since 2013 though. With a few major updates (Alchemy, Sampler & Quick sampler, Step Sequencer, Multi-effects, Sample alchemy & Beat Breaker).
It add the track to apply the same holdings it actually eliminated need for individual return tracks an example of these forms of chains can be found in FL studio
If ableton live 13 would have an option to hide the session view, so you only see the mixer (keeping the option to see the midi / clip / effect view) it would be the ultimate DAW!!! That would give you the option in a dual monitor setup to have an arrangement window and a mixing (and midi / fx) window.
Ableton take a great jump with 12. But I don't like it. I don't like the look n feel. I don't like the ignorance of Ableton in some cases where users wait year by year. Apple has a natural ignorance - I guess it is part of apple philosophy (and im a Apple User btw.) Piano roll in Ableton and the midi features are awesome and useful. The similar finder is great too... Sounddesign ... both far behind Bitwig - and that's the reason why I go with Bitwig...
Bitwig is based on a fundamental modulation base. All ican be modulate incl. 3rd Party instruments by a bunch of modulators. Not only LFO‘s. Randomizers, stepModulators, segments and you can use the output of tracks as modulation too. And Bitwig has the „Grid“. Three types of grid allows you to create sound in way to create customized synths from scratch. In the noteGrid you creates notes or infects incoming notes and the fxGrid lets you create fx in a freely way with tons of modulations and logical behaviors. You can automate modulations, you can modulate automations and of course you can modulate modulations … Just take a Quick Look to „Polarity“ great YT Have a nice day.
Maybe it's a bug on Mac ableton but you absolutely can resize the group tab. I use it on windows which is why i think maybe it's a bug for mac. Also on windows it's TAB to change the screen to mixer. I used FL studio for a year but the automation is awful compared to ableton, It's capable on FL i just didn't like the workflow of it all. I think all DAW's are capable to do most things you'll need you just have to learn that particular software.
Hey pal thanks for the response. Yeah certain DAWs are clunky when it comes to automation which is such an essential part of modern production! Appreciate you helping out with the window resizing. Have you checked out Boombox at all?
I am a logic users for 2 years now, and a beginner producer. I'm thinking of switch to Live essentially because of the midi features (because I think I perform bad at my keyboard) and the samples 'find similar'. On logic currently, for those 2 features, I find logic to be basic but functional midi featured, and browsing from the builtin finder is a hassle : samples often miss to play when clicking twice on them, and almost all the time with a tiny little annoying lag after being selected (I have a mac mini m1 1to 16go). Also, in the builtin finder, you don't have a 'go to upper folder' but a 'back' button, which I don't dig :D. I have to agree also with one the viewer here : I find logic to be quite "prettier" and usable (shortcuts, overall layout) than Live. That the thing keeping me on Logic. For mixing, Logic is also very nice. I love the overall layout when color coding and grouping my tracks, having colored markers, and as said Fabio, you feel like a true music engineer before their good looking mixing console. And you can see the plugin on each tracks easily, manage sends quite easily, automate easily enough too. Thanks for the video. It enables me to think about my main instrument (the DAW) and my technical workflow.
Ableton all day all night! Logic is buggy and updates comes 2-3/year also apple force you buy another new computer - latest os, bla bla bla 🤮🤮🤮 apple 🤮🤮🤮 Nice observations about Ableton Fabio!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 After 5 years of Logic, 2 years ago I moved to Ableton and there is no looking back!!!
The browser in logic is a mess. Whenever my project gets too big it only plays the transients of the selected audio file.. so annoying. The fact that Ableton syncs the file to BPM is insane. I’d love to make the switch to Ableton (it’s much more accessible for beatmakers & editing audio is amazing) but being able to make custom shortcuts in Logic is the only feature holding me back from moving over
there is something called LES for Ableton. It's a 3rd Party software made from Ableton users and lets you do something like that and its actually surprising that Ableton didn't implement most of these features themselves. Maybe this helps you😄✋
in Logic there is a function called untagged apple loops, just right click on a sample folder that you want to be in sync with your project bpm and click on untagged apple loops from the pop up menu and you're on the way to go
@@watchboomboxmany things. Especially the browser which is inferior compared to Live’s browser. I’m a Logic Ninja and now I’m learning Ableton cause I can’t stand the browser in Logic
Logic has some midi options you might have missed that allow for controlled randomness on a variety of parameters. With the notes of your choice highlighted in the piano roll, press CMD+9 to access the midi transform window. Live 11 definitely still takes the cake in that category, but you’d be surprised how robust that feature actually is in Logic. It’s worth checking out if you haven’t used it before.
Hey bud - thanks so much for the suggestion. I've played around with the midi transform window (I show this in some of the other videos on the boombox channel, but it definitely doesn't feel as intuitive or present as it is in Ableton. Last thing I think we we want to do when being creative is go fishing around!
This is such a basic comparison. Like I'm waiting on someone to really do an in-depth comparison .. You sound Bias to Live. Live is great.. but you're cheating Logic lol
What would you like for an in-depth comparison? Did you see my last video on Ableton VS Logic... you might find the answers you're looking for there ;)
The biggest advantage Logic has was never mentioned, which is price. Logic is 200$ that’s one time charge and u get it all including updates, now just to get a similar version of Ablelton. Ur paying 500$ to also get the sound library that’s now 700$. Oh and don’t forget every year around Christmas ur gifted with the 200$ updates. So really is it worth a few quality of life fixes to spend 500$ more up front, and 200$ more each yer.
HUGE factor - I mention this in one of my other videos :)
Yup, it’s really quite ridiculous when you think about. Cost of one stupid update = cost of a one time purchase of Logic
Hoy wanna know the answer really fast ? Try tune up the vocals first 😂
im thinking about this, but im also before buying a pc, And a good macbook cost 1500 dollar at least, but i can get very good windows for 900
@@lelkesviktor3062 so add 700 to the price of the pc cause that’s what Abelton cost plus I promise u that the M2 MacBook Pro with 16 gigs that u can get for that price will blow the pc away
By default this is an unfair comparison. You’re comparing $700 software to a $200 one, which comes with FREE single version updates. Bought Logic X back in 2013 and I’m still getting updates to this day. Even the ‘mid tier’ version of Ableton with its incomplete set of tools is STILL more expensive than Logic. The yearly Ableton updates costs the same cost of Logic itself. So ridiculous.
Logic is incredibly cheap. The reason for that is you have to buy Apple hardware to use it.
Back in the days, Logic 8 and 9 were $500, which was still way cheaper that its competitors. However, apple computers are not cheap…
@@kingofdjembe That's true, however, most people I see including this very channel uses a Mac. So on top of buying an expensive computer they're also using a ridiculously expensive and overpriced DAW.
That’s a very valid point. Ableton is more expensive but you can run it on a much cheaper computer. Whereas Logic needs to be on a much more expensive Mac. As far as processing and life span go though, Mac seem to outlast PC and can be a great long term investment
Mac seems to outlast PCs in which case? Having used macs and pcs for 20+ years I dont agree at all
the sample browser in logic is a mess. by far the worst compared to other daws in the market.
Apple fix this pls!
They NEED to do something about this asap!!
Ableton for production, Logic for Mixing and Mastering
Exactly
man.. everybody says logic for prod and pro tools for mix/mast. so should it be ableton for prod and protools for mixing, or is that unnecessary? so is logic the better middle gound? instead of just buying 2/3 of them
Hey that's a great idea for someone who has both these DAWs.
@@capokelleyyou can choose to let everybody tell you how to do everything in life, or figure out the workflow that honestly works best for you. Some people have the luxury to do that sure and others are lucky to have anything. I’m thankful to have logic. I love making music and have fun with it, I wouldn’t want to learn a new daw at the moment
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69Who the fuck can even afford two DAWs that cost a fortune lol.
I have worked on almost every DAW and ableton live is the best for music production and audio engineering
That's great that you are able to use it with such power! I personally still think Logic's recording and mixing capabilities go beyond Ableton from a workflow stand point but at the end of the day its what works for you :) what other DAW's did you like?
@@NoizeLondonCan you please give an example when you say "recording and mixing capabilities"? I heard couple of people said it about logic but i could never imagine in my head what they meant. Its almost like same plugins work differently in these DAWS?(kidding ofc).
Actually an important consideration maybe tilting in Ableton's favour is the amount of music production tutorial content there is out there for it. For electronica styles I mean. Most of them include project files and templates and sample content etc to get you started. That can be a decisive factor. You can adapt that content but it's so much easier to just follow along.
Thanks for sharing pal - that's a definitely a bonus, but I also think we shouldn't be limited by a tutorial just because it's on one DAW. The same principles can be applied to all DAW's in reality don't you think?
@@NoizeLondon Sure. I do think all of this can be adapted of course. I guess my point was more along the lines of it is easier to just follow along. Especially if you're just starting out. Rather than having to look at tutorials and have to translate to your own environment. But yeah, it can adapted to any daw.
I agree with you but Logic has MusicTechHelpGuy. He has the single BEST YT channel on music production in Logic by far. Even if you don't use Logic there are a lot of cool things that you can learn from his videos and use in other DAWs or even plugins.
A lot of people who do content videos or how-to guides may be experts at what they do (although a lot of them clearly aren't), but with MusicTechHelpGuy not only do you have someone who actually knows how to teach and is a college-level educator, but also provides entire courses and FOR FREE, right here on YT.
I spent years in both Ableton and Logic, and I have now been in just Logic for over 5 years. I have kept updating Ableton until v11 but now that Rewire is gone I will not be updating or going back to Ableton. And most of that is due to MusicTechHelpGuy.
@@teemad Fair enough. I wasn't actually talking about how-to/tutorials about the DAW itself and how to do things in it. I meant strictly production. Something like this for example: ua-cam.com/video/-12FXunzWaU/v-deo.html
That guy doesn't teach you how to do Ableton related stuff. The focus is on how to make "that". Whatever that happens to be. So yeah you can apply that to Logic sure but there will be a little extra work required to translate that. I think that was the crux of my point. Do you want to add that bit of extra work to your day? Or would you rather just follow along in the beginning?
Of course everyone has his preferences! One certain I have, Ableton Live make life easer!
Ableton is superior in almost everything, but Logic is more intuitive and has banger legacy samples and plugins ( drums, guitars, horns) also the aesthetic of Logic is really nice to me.
Studio One for me 😊
Truly we're so slept on hahaha we can do it all lol
Lemme here som of your music!
i use both for a couple of years. in my opinion Logic has the best sound engine after Pro Tools, it sounds organic to my ear while Live sounds to digital. you need a lot of experience in sound selection and mixing to make your tracks sound better. also there some areas where Logic shines for example, in tracking or mixing or midi capabilities, customizing templates for better workflow like making screen-sets, customizing key-commands, also its multi-zooming functions. but for basic edm or hiphop productions and fast workflow or sound design or making pre-live-sets Ableton Live is the way to go
I hate to say it but all DAWs sound the same... the tools within them make them better for certain areas of music (production VS engineering) but they all do the same thing at the end of the day
@@watchboombox believe they're not, i know a lot of djs start on ableton live because its easy and end up on logic or pro tools or S1 because of sound engine
@@watchboombox They do not sound the same. Summing in Cubase vs Ableton is big difference
Lol
Option + Command + M = Open mixer in arrangement page.
what a SCHLEP. make it ONE key ableton!
I have macro keys on my Logitech keyboard so setup 6 different shortcuts to these keys so it’s one press and done. I also have shortcuts such as new midi track assigned to buttons on my mouse. Such a time saver
@@NoizeLondon It's the same for all: m, s, b, 1, 2, 3 ,4 , 5...
Just ALT is for swaps
I've worked in Logic Pro for around 9 years and just switched to Ableton 12. I've been using it for a few days and I feel like the sound design tools are very intuitive and easy to use. However, I haven't found a way to properly engineer my vocals and that's a big con. I still have my logic purchased looong time ago, and still, the vocal features are very easy to use (the pitch correction is genius), so I'm considering working with both for different stages. Haven't tried to master with Ableton yet so I'm not sure about that. I guess we'll see...
I hear you on this one - Ableton is great for production. That's not to say that you can't also engineer vocals however, I do think that Logic is far superior when it comes to recording and mixing.
Have you tried using something like re-wire?
@@watchboomboxseguro no me entiendes pero me pasa el mismo problema con las voces… siento que tiene muchos problemas algunas se entre cortan con 60% y para mezclar o masterizar me pasan algunos problemas pero para crear Beats está bien pero quiero ver que ofrecen otras
Ableton live 12 is a complete and total, asio and sound engine nightmare. Im sticking with FL Studio and might give protools a shot.
I remember in logic 9 you could customize the look to your hearts content
OH really?
If ur reading this, get FL. Harder to learn but worth.
Not at all LOL
Fl sucks
Every daw has been used to create some great music, just use what you like...
Absolutely ! We don't deny that at all - we're just trying to give me people our perspective before they commit to one :)
Reaper for me. Can do anything and with some community made scripts, it's more powerful than anything out there. ( I've used Ableton, FL, Pro tools, Cubase, S1 etc.)
hmm🤔
@@capokelley I currently have like 7 daws installed on my PC. Ableton, FL, Cubase, S1, Bitwig, Reaper, Reason but Reaper is diff. Reaper pretty much has everything he showed in the video and more lol. But use whatever works for you.
Logic LPX colorizer for full logic theme customiser.
Do you find it useful?
If you have taken enough time using ableton you know you can hide those return tracks in the arrange view by clicking "View" then "Arrangement Track Controls" and diselecting the Return Tracks. Do this in the arrangement View
Yup knew that - still doesn't add that much space though don't ya think?
Ableton sucks.
But it sucks less than other Daws.
I like Logic, but it crashes and glitches a lot. How does Ableton compare?
All DAWs crash mostly because of third party plugins. That's inevitable.
You know what doesn’t crash… ?
Ableton or Bitwig.
I bounce back and forth
But the new 12 is fkn fire 🔥
No need to go into logic for mixdown. They are all 32bit float
It's not the tools, just how you use them!
i will always be a logic girl, tried Ableton - overwhelming!
Awesome video Fabio ✌️ I’ve tried Ableton many times, but as a designer I just can’t handle the Excel-look - I need the UI to be pleasing to the eye 🤩 I hope that Apple will upgrade their Logic-team, cos we need more features and *sigh a better browser!
Please do some “How I work in Logic workflow” vids ❤
Great suggestion for a video - I think I might do that next week!
I couldn’t agree more, for some reason the way that logic looks makes me so much happier to use the program. Ableton hurts my eyes! Probably the reason I use Final Cut over premier as well yet I pay for both
Ableton will always win to me. No question about it.
Abelton all the way as I am familiar with the workflow
I’m a logic user and I want to start doing live looping should I switch to Abelton?
logic have live loops too!!👍
They do... but does anyone use them?
@@djerikfox yea I tried but they won’t sync well as Abelton in my experience and it’s kinda upsetting 🥲
When comparing MIDI features you did not mention the Step Sequencer, Logic‘s editor for Pattern regions.There’s nothing like it in Live.
You're right we didn't... definitely could've. Is it a feature you find yourself using a lot?
@@watchboombox Yes, I sometimes even use Logic Remote on an iPad just to edit pattern regions. ;-)
You should check Ableton shortcuts, ALT, CRT + ALT m,s,b, 3,4,5 ...
Ah we can't thank you enough!
why do you call it logic pro x, when you're touting the "new" versions? they got rid of the "x" years ago
The x represents the number 10. We’re still on 10 so Logic Pro x it is ;)
nope. it's only logic pro. just look at all of apple's documentation and publicity for the last several years. they purposefully changed it. @@watchboombox
Abe12's UI is trying to be what Logic is already. For example, Abe 12's new "3D" setting already exists in Logic by default. Apple has your back when it comes to lighting and this is reflected in most Apple apps. Track stacks are more sophisticated and easier to use in Logic. Plus, you can do unlimited track stacks in Logic. I can talk about many Logic features that Abe 12 is missing which you left out of your presentation. You failed to mention that ABE 12 is crash-prone (beta software) and not as stable as Logic. There's more.
One of the craziest features about logic that doesn't get enough attention imo. The quick sampler: when you add a pitched percussion sample to quick sampler in the normal mode. Then you right click the waveform. Click retune. Now you have the pitch of your perc sample. for melodic percussion of any kind this is incredible. Even if you use ableton I highly recommend having a few mornings where you set 30-60 minutes aside with the coffee and slowly label your perc samples with their root pitch. for me personally it gets it right 19/20 times. As someone who owns saturn and spectra shout out to roar its incredible and takes the crown. The modulation is super easy in roar and its super easy to just turn one of the boxes with a number and just double click to reset it if you dont like your change. As someone whos had 12 beta since a few days after it was announced I'm personally sticking with logic pro which actually sucks bc i live in a city where everyone uses ableton. I will say with the changes to 12 there is only 1 thing keeping me from switching. It sounds so dumb. but when you force close a plugin with escape or closing it out you have to press the little wrench in ableton to open it back up.
also the command in 12 for the mixer is option+command+m for the mixer if i understood your question.
Dude thanks so much for this! Yeah that's very true I totally took that Logic feature for granted.
Thanks for the shortcut too... I mean they couldn't have made it any longer could they haha
@@NoizeLondon ps i miss the podcast and i loved the episode with you on the my audio nerds podcast with HMD.
Ableton is midi mappable and does not lose it’a saved midi information.
At Logic Pro, 14 years now midi mapping is so unstable, it’s been really a nightmare. Every now and then aux sends mapped knobs are lost , don’t work after a few days of work. It’s unbelievable. If logic were consistent in that area, logic would be the best DAW by far.
Ableton was so great with my performance in theatre because of its consistency. But for live music I still use logic due to my Sampler (exs24) presets. It’s really a decision to move all this work to Ableton. It would take weeks but I’m thinking about it.
Really, Apple do something with midi mapping. Everybody has issues in the forums so many years now.
Ableton wins for MaxforLive only
We like to think boombox wins 😅
Fl Studio
Option + Command +M opens the mixer
It took Frodo a shorter about of time to get to Mordor than it does to open the mixer in Ableton
It's Reaper.
Give me a break. Starts the video comparing the colour schemes?
Video is meant for everyone…not just you.
Why not? People are drawn to aesthetics.. if you're going to be staring at something for multiple hours a day you might want to consider how it looks ;)
@@watchboombox I found a third party app for Logic that allowed me to customize or select themes in Logic. Game changing.
Have both🤷🏿♂️
What's the advantage in having both?
Ableton is so ugly and distracting to me personally.. I prefer Logic which is beautiful.. or FL Studio.. that I'm already used to it.
It looks like excel but it has great creative tools that Logic is lacking
..if you add loops folder to untagged loops logic will sync all the loops to the tempo while in preview...👍..I like ableton too but its the only daw on the planet now that does not have custom key commands..I cant live without that...regards
There both good 👍
"The majority of producers are working from a laptop" ... I highly doubt this. I'd think most producers have kind of a studio with synths, recording gear, mixer etc. so a powerful computer and one or more big monitors make much more sense.
I think that would be nice... but even the pros are doing everything in the box these days
Logic is basically the Sylenth1 of DAWs. Its tried and true… sounds good… but nvr legitimately updates 🤣
Hahah... well said love this analogy
They've all been free since 2013 though. With a few major updates (Alchemy, Sampler & Quick sampler, Step Sequencer, Multi-effects, Sample alchemy & Beat Breaker).
Thao tác trên Logic vẫn tốt hơn Ableton
It add the track to apply the same holdings it actually eliminated need for individual return tracks an example of these forms of chains can be found in FL studio
Thanks brother!
Logic really rocks.It has so much yet you can limit yourself.I think it is just a case of what depth.
Logic is beautiful.
We love Logic too!
if you import Samples with quick sampler just hit "follow tempo" or isn´t this what you meant?
Good tip will try this out thank you!
Great video 🎉
Thank you sir. what DAW do you use?
Logic for everything. There we go that's the end of that.
Enjoying the generative hi hat action. Great content! Liked and subscribed.
Thanks :)
If ableton live 13 would have an option to hide the session view, so you only see the mixer (keeping the option to see the midi / clip / effect view) it would be the ultimate DAW!!!
That would give you the option in a dual monitor setup to have an arrangement window and a mixing (and midi / fx) window.
Yup!!! we agree :)
I been using Logic for 15+ years and Ableton for just under 2 years, Ableton is better for beat making in my opinion
Yeah I agree with that. Ableton has more creative features and is easier to learn
Beatbreaker yes.. but instead you should have mentioned step FX that comes with logic
Yes that's true... do you find yourself using it that often?
@@watchboombox all the time
Ableton take a great jump with 12. But I don't like it. I don't like the look n feel. I don't like the ignorance of Ableton in some cases where users wait year by year. Apple has a natural ignorance - I guess it is part of apple philosophy (and im a Apple User btw.) Piano roll in Ableton and the midi features are awesome and useful. The similar finder is great too... Sounddesign ... both far behind Bitwig - and that's the reason why I go with Bitwig...
Interesting... tell us more about bitwig please and what makes it so good
Bitwig is based on a fundamental modulation base. All ican be modulate incl. 3rd Party instruments by a bunch of modulators. Not only LFO‘s. Randomizers, stepModulators, segments and you can use the output of tracks as modulation too. And Bitwig has the „Grid“. Three types of grid allows you to create sound in way to create customized synths from scratch. In the noteGrid you creates notes or infects incoming notes and the fxGrid lets you create fx in a freely way with tons of modulations and logical behaviors. You can automate modulations, you can modulate automations and of course you can modulate modulations …
Just take a Quick Look to „Polarity“ great YT
Have a nice day.
REWIRE guys. Have both……. Simple
A luxury for some... don't you think it complicates the process?
Maybe it's a bug on Mac ableton but you absolutely can resize the group tab. I use it on windows which is why i think maybe it's a bug for mac.
Also on windows it's TAB to change the screen to mixer.
I used FL studio for a year but the automation is awful compared to ableton, It's capable on FL i just didn't like the workflow of it all.
I think all DAW's are capable to do most things you'll need you just have to learn that particular software.
I said you can resize the tab but didn't say how, Apologies, You just drag the bottom of group tab up or down to change size.
Hey pal thanks for the response. Yeah certain DAWs are clunky when it comes to automation which is such an essential part of modern production!
Appreciate you helping out with the window resizing. Have you checked out Boombox at all?
dont put the glowy shit to split.. just keep simple line
Can you elaborate?
logic 11 coming in 5 days)you are late)
This video came out a while ago haha... but there is a new one just out now on the latest Logic 11 feature...:)
FL STUDIO ftw
I am a logic users for 2 years now, and a beginner producer.
I'm thinking of switch to Live essentially because of the midi features (because I think I perform bad at my keyboard) and the samples 'find similar'.
On logic currently, for those 2 features, I find logic to be basic but functional midi featured, and browsing from the builtin finder is a hassle : samples often miss to play when clicking twice on them, and almost all the time with a tiny little annoying lag after being selected (I have a mac mini m1 1to 16go). Also, in the builtin finder, you don't have a 'go to upper folder' but a 'back' button, which I don't dig :D.
I have to agree also with one the viewer here : I find logic to be quite "prettier" and usable (shortcuts, overall layout) than Live. That the thing keeping me on Logic.
For mixing, Logic is also very nice. I love the overall layout when color coding and grouping my tracks, having colored markers, and as said Fabio, you feel like a true music engineer before their good looking mixing console. And you can see the plugin on each tracks easily, manage sends quite easily, automate easily enough too.
Thanks for the video. It enables me to think about my main instrument (the DAW) and my technical workflow.
Stick with logic
Ableton all day all night! Logic is buggy and updates comes 2-3/year also apple force you buy another new computer - latest os, bla bla bla 🤮🤮🤮 apple 🤮🤮🤮
Nice observations about Ableton Fabio!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
After 5 years of Logic, 2 years ago I moved to Ableton and there is no looking back!!!
Thanks bud - glad to hear you're enjoying Ableton!
Do you need a PC to do this? I only have a chromebook
chromebook finna explode brah XD
2:22 IT looks terrible because it's starting to look like Ableton. 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Logic is a beast!
Sure is!
Why exactly is logic better for mixing and mastering ?
Prob because of the stock plugins
option command M for the Mixer
Pretty sure that's the same shortcut for a nuclear launch
In all seriousness thank you! Couldn't find it anywhere online.. why can't it just be one button...
The browser in logic is a mess. Whenever my project gets too big it only plays the transients of the selected audio file.. so annoying. The fact that Ableton syncs the file to BPM is insane. I’d love to make the switch to Ableton (it’s much more accessible for beatmakers & editing audio is amazing) but being able to make custom shortcuts in Logic is the only feature holding me back from moving over
there is something called LES for Ableton. It's a 3rd Party software made from Ableton users and lets you do something like that and its actually surprising that Ableton didn't implement most of these features themselves. Maybe this helps you😄✋
@@OpenUp. yes i know it. but no option for custom shortcuts unfortunately :/
Then why don’t you just use them both in rewire?
in Logic there is a function called untagged apple loops, just right click on a sample folder that you want to be in sync with your project bpm and click on untagged apple loops from the pop up menu and you're on the way to go
Add your Loops to Untagged Loops instead of auditioning in the All Files Browser. Your loops will sync up with the BPM.
now 2024 still not release live 12
Pro Tools
7:28 you can create untagged loops in logic. However, sometimes still logic is far from perfect
They need to work on this FO SHO. what else do you think they could improve?
@@watchboomboxmany things. Especially the browser which is inferior compared to Live’s browser. I’m a Logic Ninja and now I’m learning Ableton cause I can’t stand the browser in Logic