Chess Evolved: the most gigantic chess variant
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Chess Evolved Online, also known as Old Old Chess Battle Advanced, is a game created by the Spaghetti Monster. In my opinion, it's a "must-play" game in that it expands your idea of what chess variants even are, with over 400+ pieces and a non-p2w upgrades system.
I've been hesitant for a long while to do this kind of video, because the (solo) game developer has made a lot of genius, but also a lot of crap, and despite making a (mostly) not-p2w game, it took a long time until it was not-p2w, and the developer has pissed away a lot of the genius-credibility. (one of the most credibility reducing things the spaghetti monster has done is spending years addicted to a crypto game that had p2w upgrades)
Anyway, I figure this game is on my mind, and it's easy enough to make videos about it.
0:00 Intro, basic rules
6:30 Gameplay
12:06 Shop
19:05 Upgrades
discord: discord.gg/V64JDvbWsf
"we call this nuance to mock the developer" had me busting out laughing.
Chess Dynasties Enhanced
actskyly it's Chess Deluxe Enhanced, there's a song for it
The best joke for this channel would to have this be the only video ever on it. Although for now it seems like you have several videos planned on this game, looking forward to em!
just because you said that I uploaded a new video, get owned lmao
Losing my king certainly would lower my morale
how come this channel isn't named "Channel Icely Advanced", makes for a quaint acronym, too
Ah yets the CIA
Chess evolved online is sure an Advanced battle of Chess.
What is this joke? I don't get it
@@aceman0000099 CBA joke but backwards. Advanced Battle of Chess (ABC)
Played this for a while on Kongregate ages ago but quit when pieces started appearing in my dreams. Tried coming back to it a couple years later but in 10+ ranked games i only faced bots so i gave up on it. Cool to see someone talking about it!
You get to face players at about 1200 rating I think
@@gabrote42 Thanks maybe I'll give it another shot!
@@BlandTomtarOchTroll If you do I'll be happy to give you a few rounds or tips. My name in steam and discord is this one. I am still in the Chess Battle Advanced Discord, I just have it muted unless I am specifically mentioned
@@gabrote42 Cool! I'll absolutely send you a message on steam if I do 😀
So it IS a flash game!!!
0:01 I am so glad that this video got so much traction! I used to play 250 hours of this back in 2021 or so. An underrated part of the game is the discord. Every time I talk about arguing on the internet, I fondly recall that one time that GodOfTomatoes and I had an argument against f0x from 1 to 4 in the morning about wether telemarketers added value to society. I may have had my differences with the man (EDIT: f0x, GoT was supper kind and lovely), but he was an actual factual intellectual. And Elias once showed me I was a mere grasshopper by roleplaying as a plane-planeteer and utterly trouncing my attemps at overcoming the lack of logic. That was magical. I have issues with CCGs where I get complacent and fail to update my decks, so I lost impulse to play, but I still remember it fondly. Now that I lost access to DBD I might give it a spin. Long Live Grand (even if I play SleeperService more). On to the video!!!
0:22 Also having 40 names and developing some extremely solid modular discord bots on a level I have scarcely seen elsewhere.
0:30 classic andrew hussie meets the housing crisis is the everything crisis meets sleep deprivation
2:30 Oh god classic Kingmover spam that everyone did well except me XD
2:59 I have won a billion games where I traded kings with Angel and then ran down the biggest champion they had. So nice. Something cool is that you can be a GM while being an 800 in chess, like me. Just know your openings and play with your brain. I wish there was a real timeout wincon, instead of the constant +15
3:06 To be fair, vertical castling was also a common joke until very recently in regular chess. It was written in a puzzle that required the king to castle vertically with a newly promoted rook, but the FIDE rules already specified it was only a move to be performed on the same rank. It was written something like O-O-O-O-O-O-O#
4:02 the store and premium currency are also the most generous you'll ever see. Drop a dragon blessing, use the market, sell low tier units, you cruise
4:55 Not necessary at all. I like mot of what TheGrandestine did
6:43 be VERY careful with random megaminion discovered attacks, and don't confuse a piece for another XD
7:54 Just make sure there is not a Dove in the diagonal
8:45 Just use your brain also, because if you even trade too much you might find yourself hard-pressed to defend yourself against an uptrader like HauntedArmor, or a solomater like Dragon. Sometimes a Knight is stronger than a bishop, as Levy says
10:40 I had a custom piece back then that was a Convoy, it was basically a Prince (kingmover) that had a Warrior, a Knight and a Ninja inside it. It could move like all of them, being a way overcosted dragon with Ninja farjump, but each time it captured something with a non-kingmove, it would "deploy" (transform enemy into) the piece it captured with, so you could dissasemble it and end up with an 8 cost kingmover and 3 extra champions, if you could eat 3 minions. It was a fun idea, like all custom pieces. It even got levelled-up pieces and armor as you upgraded it, making it more efficient and risky
13:10 Speaking as an FTP myself
16:01 I have gotten hit by lighting on non immobile units when the opponent jumped into a bad trade while I was unaware. It's very good area denial, even if Wrath is a more common user. Man, I miss Lust Samurai
16:19 "Free" being three turns and one morale. Development is still a thing. Grand called hardcountring part of a more nuanced thing, so yeah. It's the grand equivalent of "filosofía muy interesante" for any argentinian viewers
19:43 I so love this upgrade system. Pawn+ is actually a very good unit to run as a 2 of in the center on a well designed army. But something like Samurai+ sucks
26:37 Much less addicting than DBD or the average RPG I play. And if anything just log in for 2 minutes. I played like 3 days a week
27:49 Pleasure watching. Subbed
Secret Channel Evolved???
For all the spaghetti he is worth, he actually made a working game. Those who hated his style but left their own attempts in development hell should have no argument. This is the true Chess Battle Advanced. :D
I really love this game, I hate that it has such strict progression and there's no way to just mess around with your friend using all the pieces. I hate that not a single person has made a chess variant that is as balanced or interesting. You say this is unbalanced, but at least it manages to have a customization system that somewhat balances itself with the point total thing and morale. I just want to play a sandbox version of this with my friends, I'm so annoyed that no other game is like this.
I really just want someone to copy this game 1 for 1 but where everything is unlocked immediately. Please. God help us
hmm I just want to say I don't think the game is all that unbalanced, it's in its most balanced and fun state right now, but there are definitely design issues that make people hate the game lmao. and yeah... the CBA meme actually comes from people trying to make offshoots of this game (I was even invited onto one of them and despite being playable/multiplayer/having design choices that I personally prefer way over this game, it is very slow in development AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH) but yes. this is amazing core gameplay with a cursed dev etc
@@IcelyPuzzles Wait, I actually heard about that one. It's still in development? I thought it had been cancelled. Well I'm glad, that means hopefully eventually we'll have another game like this.
Have you tried 4d multiverse chess?
@@fisrtnamelastname3083 It's not really like this at all. I like unique pieces, not overcomplicated normal chess.
the idea of giveing chess trading card-esk pieces really does spice the game up to be fair.
This game broke my brain back way back then when I played it.
Chess Evolved Online
ah yes Warhammer but for chess nerds
still wish the grind wasn't as painful, i just wanna do cool things with an 8x8 grid but i gotta get them rubies to unlock pieces and fasjkgasjgkdsaj i hate grind
in the kongregate days you could farm a currency called 'Contribution' by doing outside-of-game things to gain ingame currency, there may be a video about that entire embarrassment lmao
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq sounds funny, shame i missed the train on that, but not being from the anglosphere of the internet does that sometimes
P.S. : Play Void Stranger already if you haven't yrt, it's a good puzzles game
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bqI mean this kind of model still exists for many mobiles games lol
This seems absolutely amazing. Please do more content on this❤
Awesome, always wanted to see a channel for this game
I LOVE these kinds of videos! I've never heard of this, and yet here is someone who has spent 7 years obsessing over it! Thats awsome!
Cool ! Nice to discover all these variant of chess on this channel
Channel Bonus Arrives
waiting for someone to make a Chess Battle Advanced joke
Chess Battle Advanced
:boba:
i think you meant to say "waiting for someone to make a Chess Battle Advanced joke Battle Advanced"
chess battle advanced
Champion battle advanced
I've watched all but one of these in reverse, and it's insane how the spaghetti monster had such a good concept and just didn't put much care into it
it had gold and just kinda shat on it, so now its just a low value brown rock
hope NCBA is good, goof luck to the team
I really want someone to explain to me what Chess Battle Advanced even is. I have never been able to find a clear answer.
Same and I think I get it now, as he mentioned on the end of this video, cba by StrShPlyr was supposed to be a remake of ceo, but got scrapped. It has a funny trailer, just look up Chess battle advanced teaser, which icely turned into a meme
Icely would you play Rise of the Pawn?
It is truly the most advanced of battle chess
the designer contacted me about it, super interesting (but have not yet played it at the time of writing this message lol)
I would love a video explaining what things are in this game, such as reputation, royal power, crowns, gold stars, and contribution.
This channel feels very necessary, chess battle advanced
whoa new icely channel
"Chess Online is an mmo rpg where you write your own army"
i have never laughed so hard watching a chess youtube video. i might be dead
I used to play this like 6 years ago, kinda nostalgic
this looks so interesting!
Ah Kongregate, that makes sense
The fact your covering the game completes the meme, its done.
I hope the game gets more popular/polished
it's nowhere near done lmao
this is Old Old Chess Battle Advanced, I did not explain AT ALL where the hell CBA comes from, which is its own rabbit hole lmao
@@IcelyPuzzles i still dont know why you havent showed cba lol
@@RayquazaPhantom it's because the lore about CBA is way way too much of a rabbit hole of fractal dumbness
@@IcelyPuzzles oh ok
eagerly looking forward to that vid on the dev :3c
Man, I remember playing this years ago. Is it finally out of beta tho?
i have not seen people talk about this game in soooo long, love it great game
Chess Squabble Enhanced. Can't believe this is not your main channel.
just saw your channel and holy frick a CEO channel that gets ok views and has so far only uploaded CEO stuff.
WHAT WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN!!
is OOCBA playable wiðout a steam account? ðe kongregate version isn't connectng :/
I remember playing this on Kongregate for a while, was decently fun
"You don't need to buy the arcane box"
Buys an arcane box 🤔
Given that this video got recommended to me out of the Aether with me not being a watcher of chess or having ever seen anything from you prior I'm not really sure if that last thing you said at the end was meant as a good thing or a bad thing and now I'm curious as to which it is.
P.S. Kongregate is a name I've not heard in over a decade, what a blast from the past to hear it mentioned.
Just got this randomly recommended. Surprised that you have second channel. Did you ever mentioned it on your main one?
29k views 1,95k subs ngl a deep dive into this would be interesting for many
This is disturbingly Adventure Quest coded
Chess workshop is crazy bruh
Humongous chess batte
advanced
4:05 this is literally the cba title screen
I fucking love this game thx for introducing it to me.
Chess Battle Advanced
If this is OOCBA, which games are OCBA amd CBA?
The Dev is right about tiktok, kind of. I would have used more normal-person words to explain that idea, but then again I'm not essayposting on discord.
where or when is the video to view about the developers you alluded to with the discord screenshots are the start?
Les go!! New update on chess! Whats the version?
Quick question: does this game still get updated? You mentioned the dev is still active, but steam seemed to show that the last update was 3 years ago. Also you saying old old cba suggests that cba does actually exist, and that ceo was just the prequel
yes the last update was in 2021, the spaghetti monster is active if you bother it on steam with questions and posts teasers in places no player is going to find
It feels like a totally unbalanced variant of chess, and I like it! 🙃
this is my new favourite game thank you so much
also haha chess battle advanced
The video is a great introduction to CEO, but I think you should have added examples of specific balancing problems with pieces, for example with the piece "pride". Honestly the reason pride suffers so much as a unit is that it only has 1/4 morale gain. Since it halves any morale that is added to its value, and also only gives half its value to king on death, you're only getting 1/4 of a kill's value in worth. This means that to get the same morale worth as a vampire+, which is at the same value of 18, you would have to kill a 12 cost unit. Vampire's kill applies to minions and champions of any value, in comparison, while also giving your opponent morale debt. If we factor in the net change of 6 morale then pride would have to kill a 24 cost unit to get the same return as a vampire+. Now, there's an obvious way around pride's quarter weakness and it's the fact that if Pride is the last in any exchange it will keep whatever value it has gained, and its drain will therefore equal half the value of the unit it kills. However, this means that, again, to equate the difference that a vampire+ makes, it would have to kill and survive killing a 12 cost unit. Vampire+ can die, whereas pride cannot while conserving its optimal kill effect. On top of that it has a worse moveset. Now, pride does have the bonus of a guaranteed morale gap caused by its own starting value (6, 7, 8 and 9 for each respective tier). However this also assumes that you're trading pride for a unit of equivalent value, something that is highly unlikely due to pride's horrendous moveset. The morale gap is offeset by the low trade potential of the unit and the cost to your own army. A greed/pride army would possibly have potential if pride had a better moveset or lower cost but as is I can't see the unit being used at any level of play effectively.
Calling a person "spaghetti monster" is my new favorite thing.
Been playing the daily chess challenges on this for... almost, over a decade? Brilliant game, ruined regular chess for me - despite being horribly unbalanced.
The programmer of the game is correct about most things of course
Is your pfp some kind of piece from chess battle advanced??
What did the developer do again?
Is there a doc where i can read it?
FYI the chess term for champion is “minor pieces” (rook / bishop / knight)
I found the necessary second channel
nvm it was published on his community tab
EVIL icely puzzles
you rag on the dev like only a player whose spent years on a game could. respect.
4:30 Kongregate mentioned. Like administered
13:51 you got the ranger from the "idle game" boxes near the start of the video at 4:36
surely you didn't make this on a second channel to avoid this being your 1000th video
You're onto something.
Turns out you weren't.
what is old old cba soupposed to mean? what's the difference between that and regular cba
it's 2 times older
stress chess
Ngl the best solution to balancing with costs like this could just be done automatically. Just measure how often a piece is used vs how often it wins games and adjust the cost accordingly. Eventually, assuming a negative feedback loop forms, a decent equilibrium should occur. As long as the interval between balances is correct anything overpowered will get nerfed fairly quickly and the player base will adjust accordingly.
So for example if there's a disproportionate number of wizard+ winning games then the cost jumps to 15. If queens disappear from high level play they drop down 1 cost.
unfortunately the idea sounds good (and overall more devs should probably do it, since there are SO many devs including this one that leave pieces underpowered forever) but there's actually tons of caveats to statistics based balance, like combos, bad players, and pocket-meta participation just to only name a few (like if bad players are attracted to a unit it goes down, if a good player likes a unit personally even if it's totally balanced they will basically get punished for winning with it, highly popular units have more mirror matches that push winrate closer to 50%). also there are a few units that are value/cost specific like lifestone
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq with a large enough player base those caveats can easily be integrated into the function smoothly. Pieces that require a fixed cost they can just be used as a benchmark. Rarely used pieces by pros that have a disproportionately high win rate simply won’t have a large enough user base to be changed by a function. Pocket metas typically form around elo ranges which can easily be a parameter considered. And frequent mirror matches will inevitably have super high use rates that will result in them being adjusted.
Of course it won’t be perfect because there’s always an element of problems solving to balance changes that a program will fail to address.
And pieces like minions will probably always be an issue because going from 0 cost to 1 cost is a colossal change lol.
Man, I used to play this game, and seeing it on here was a surprise
And even bigger surprise is not understanding anything you said!
What must this community be, I am not a part of
I'm planning to make a chess game soon
An advanced chess game*
Chess battle very advanced
is that a channel dedicated only to chess battle advanced? also why lime
Samurai and Phoenix destroy ai and low ladder, it's hilarious.
yeah, almost chess 2, just need one more thing, but i don't know exactly what
i liked the part with the chess
Can we get more of an explanation on how the threat board works? There's different sizes of colored boxes, and it's not entirely clear what they mean. Perhaps large is a magic attack?
it gets larger the more threat there is (3 attackers is larger than 1 attacker), plus it gets really large for higher threat like magic yeah
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq Thanks! I was starting to think that.
Oh hey, I wonder if I've played against your main account before. If you've played against some dude with a weird obsession with archers, that was probably me.
Icly puzles has a new channel?
wasn't this the origin of CBA that was made because CBA's dev thought that it was very pay to win
The Based Take is a pretty interesting one. It's not totally without grains of truth, despite starting with an unhinged claim about tiktok and maybe not understanding the design and intent of a modern liberal government or the (rather low) degree of sophistication of modern algorithms
Yea
finally, a real video game
cheese cattle advancing
CHESS BATTLE ADVANCED IS REAL
I somewhat liked the unfair challange of the game (by being more sly beat the opponent who has stronger pieces) but never got to play against a human, it is full of bots.
Well I've been enjoying this game quite a lot today. I think I'm relying too much on the wizard though...
Hm, I should play this Chess Hell.
Chess Battle Evolved
I really enjoy this game, I found it by the devs idle-incremental game actually lol, Undefeated Spider is a good game 0kay..
love that this video is you saying "i love this game despite being the dev being the absolute fucking worst"
Please make the video about the developer, I want to know
Chess Actually Balanced
You should play the rubik's cube chess by carykh
Who is icely
How can we know that you are the real icely?
I like to use trees
League of chess!
They should sell skins actually!